The short displayport cable ist for the displayport IN on the top. That is the way AMD achieves the thunderbolt connectivity for screens, by throughputting the displayport-out of the gpu in the motherboard and out the usb c
I always wondered how that would work with a GPU - makes sense! Probably what the display port on my motherboard is for too - an input, not an output. D'oh!
was just about to type this because I have the same thing on my gigabyte b550 vision d motherboard although my monitor doesn't want to enable freesync if i use the thunderbolt route so for gaming I still have a displayport going to the graphics card which sucks.
yup, a lot of "creator" motherboards have that. wish the would make it even shorter with 90 degree connectors (so you can close off 5 off your usb 3.1 ports that are placed right below the dp port)
Jay missed something VERY important on the both motherboards. On the back, the DP connectors are INPUTS not outputs. You must use the small DP cable from the mobo box to run from GPU to the DP in on the motherboard. this is used to feed video on the thunderbolt 4 ports.
Yeah, that is what made this board interesting as hell. I think maybe he thought the boards would be nothing special if given away. Love this board, almost grabbed one too.
As a designer by trade I really appreciate a brand beginning to make products that aren’t just plastered with RGB and sharp color changes. If that’s your style that great but some of people still like the clean well thought out design aesthetic and it’s nice to see that being addressed!
@@landonbrown5295 I'm just saying...... he saved having to use a screwdriver for 2 screws, by using a screwdriver for 2 screws. Now, if those same 2 screws held the M.2's in aswell, going right through the heatsink thing , and then securing the m.2,,,,,,, that would make sense Saying it's genius there's not 2 screws to do up, while doing up 2 screws, was just ironic
I had bad time with that piece of plastic. Kept misaligning my 970pro, if I did not notice, I would crack it when putting on the mobo included heatspreader.
@@ska4dragons Well, I choose a motherboard based on different criteria than RGB. The cost of putting a few LEDs on the motherboard is probably also marginal compared to the overall cost.
Jay, the short DP cable is for the thunderbolt video passthrough. you glazed right over the "DP IN" port on the backpanel. I REALLY like those Proart boards, but man they are pricey for what they are.
@@diaman_d True, but *is* there a workstation chipset for AM4? I feel like AMD really wants you on sTRX4 for "workstation" use... in fact I've wondered in the past if the 20 PCIe lane limitation of even the beefiest AM4 Ryzens was a way to steer workstation users towards Threadripper without hurting performance for "normal users" too much...
@@dregenius *24 PCIe lanes. but yes, you would want to go with threadripper for workstations that needs a lot of fast nvme-drives, seeing as you only have lanes for one drive on a regular ryzen cpu.
That Proart board is making me want to rebuild my whole system. It's so classy! It reminds me of a different time, it's almost retro. Also, Thunderbolt 4 on an AMD board?! Simply amazing!
It's amazing how many people like the ProArt, highlighting specifically the RGB-less design. I hope we all reward Asus for this, giving clear signal that there are people who do NOT want RGB things for their PCs
I like rgb but not the rainbow puke stuff. i like argb mainly because i use it to customize my pc the way i want. like with ICUE i have a blue background with a light blue rain on everything. but there is also times i turn it off if i want. plus if i ever change themes its just a matter of draining my fluid and refill with another color then change colors. everything else is all black. what i do not like from asus is the b550 boards have red on them. they should have went just black so people could customize how they want. i didn't pick up an asus board because of that. (even though i love their boards and their software)
I just installed the Extreme yesterday. One thing to be aware of it that the M.2_1, M.2_2, and M.2_3 all share PCIe bandwidth with the CPU. Only M.2_1 will be recognized until you change the settings in the BIOS to be PCIe 4.0x16 + M.2_2 + M.2_3. This will result in your GPU running in 4.0 x 8 mode and your M.2s all running in 4.0 x 4 mode. If you want to keep your GPU in 4.0 x 16 mode, you cannot use M.2_2 or M.2_3. In that case you must use the DIMM.2 expansion to access the PCIe lanes from the chipset. I have three PCIe 4.0 NVME M.2 drives with a 3080 Ti...the difference is less than 1fps so not a huge deal with current gen GPU, but if you plan on keeping the mobo for a few years we may end up seeing GPUs that need more than 4.0 x 8 or 3.0 x 16. This board is the only one I found that works well and is stable with G.Skill 3600 14-14-14-34 Ram and multiple PCIe 4.0 NVME drives. My ASRock Taichi didn't handle the combo. The Gigabyle X570S Aorus Master worked fine with the NVME drives, but when my Phanteks RGB devices were plugged in on the 5V ARGB header it caused weird power fluctuations that killed my other GPU. Specifically, the case fans and GPU were getting power when the PC was turned off if the 5V ARGB was connected. I'd avoid the Gigabyte if you plan on using a Phanteks Digital RGB hub. One other thing, don't do anything until you update the Extreme's BIOS. I couldn't load Windows with three different sets of RAM until I updated to the latest BIOS 0402. And also be aware that there is no "XMP" or "DOCP" option in the BIOS. In order to get mine to run at rated speed I had to change two separate settings: 1. Change speed to 3600 and 2. then load the applicable timing profile. Doing only one or the other did not work. These settings are not done in the same location in the BIOS.
A CD included with the ProArt makes sense.. not all company workstations have internet access, some are only closed/internal network or isolated for security purposes or what have you. Also a lot of professional studios still install software via physical media or use older software that isn't available anymore or superseded but serve a niche purpose or used by veteran artists who refuse to learn/use the new titles, but whatever the case, these workstations (or most in general) still utilize dvd/cd drives.
No... doesn't make sense. Users may not have access to install drivers from the internet, the IT always has all the access they need. Likewise, the only reason why workstations would have optical drives is if they were some HP/Dell dirt and they usually include a slim-line drive that never gets used. Most normal companies have their install files in some sort of network location. Nobody uses optical drivers for sure. As well consider - these won't be corporate build, companies won't bother picking individual parts, they more likely just get some HP prebuilt workstation and that is it, this more likely professional artist building a personal rig so "no internet" point is really irrelevant.
Not to compare apples to oranges but if Microcenters page is correct, you can still get Windows in CD/DVD form...thought they all went to ausb type of media
My friend sent this to me because I was just telling him yesterday that I dont care for a bunch of RGB on my pc I use for creating. The timing is great lol
They supply the CD in case you're in a location without internet, poor internet, or even an air-gapped setup. Sure it doesn't make sense for most people, but if you're the guy building an epic gaming rig in a cave in the wilderness, it makes sense. This is the same reason they send paper instructions with everything still. You could go download the instructions, but if you don't have internet you would just have to guess.
Not really. They still painted everything black. A simple, no-nonsense, plain green board and plain aluminium heatsinks, now THAT would be a sight for sore eyes.
I have to say it, I'm in love w that proart mobo... As someone who has rgb on almost every component except his desk tools... I'm really aching to build a blacked out ZeroLED machine...
also great for crazy simulator setups, for the same reasons. Midi devices are becoming very popular very quickly in particular with flight simmers. Sorry if you can't get your hands on a behringer xtouch mini anymore
All the DP are "IN" in case you want to use passthrough from your gfx to the motherboard (thus the short DP cable 😎) and out from the TB4 ports to whatever display you have. Also bear in mind that eGPU is not yet active on AMD boards, a firmware fix should be on the way 👍🏼👍🏼.
@@GabrielTobing Oh, they definitely are. Good luck finding a plain green board with unpainted heatsinks these days, especially one for the performance sector. They seem to think everyone who builds a high-end machine is either a depressed teen who only wears black or a hyperactive primary-schooler.
Right? I went from having all RGB fans, but then I realized it was annoying and more pricey. Now I run some grey fans the move 127CFM of air which is much better over the weak RGB fans. Makes you wonder what else you fell for.
I like the look of really flashy, colorful rigs, but while I'm actually playing a game it's just a huge distraction. Put it in an art gallery, not on my desk.
That smudge on that brand new Corsair monitor though. I've seen that same smudge in multiple video's now and it is driving me crazy. CLEAN YO SHIT JAY!
Yes, but the second and third one was only half speed of the top one, correct? So that makes it less viable since we want fast connections so 16x on both should've been the case, at least!
That implies that a gpus requires 16x speeds to operate or cards running at 8x speeds drastically loss performance. I work in the design field we do a lot of renders on software like keyshot and corona render which use GPU accelerated rendering. The machine I use at home for my side projects has two 2080 supers with a 3950x. So the first two full length slots are running at 8x (technically with an nvlink bridge thing but I sometimes disabled it on the application). And if I we’re to full utilise all the full length slots. It might be for video editing, have the last slot in 4x speed for like a Red Rocket card (not sure how those work never needed one, I don’t own a red camera lol). Edit: spelling mistake
might want to take a look at the renderer, the last few vids has some really fuzzy colors, black especially which is a shame given these lovely products' color ^^
I'm a fan of the ProArt design. I'd like to see more mature and clean gamer MOBOs without RGB overkill. Albeit, the new ROG Crosshair VIII Extreme is very clean looking as well and the RGB isn't too much, maybe what I get for my build. But I still want to hold off for the next-gen CPUs.
Almost every part is extremely expensive in the land down under! built a friend system before the world caught on fire in late 2019 and even then the 250$ she gave me for building it and 400$ plane ticket still worked out cheaper than sourcing those same parts there. I feel for you guys!
@@shadowslayer7600 I think the middle man (transport shipping company that delivers the items) puts a mark up on the goods delivered and therefore the PC stores that sells them needs to make a profit so they put on more money.
As my other comment, i still have a working p67 Sabertooth board with a i5 2500k even after the board spent a few years in a junk drawer with screwdrivers and junk. That Armor they put on those boards is more than just a gimmick.
well a lot of people including jay have had issues with the bios flashback feature. I have an asrock and I couldn't find my 5900x at the time so I bought a temporary 3600 placeholder (since I couldn't stand my pathetic i7-2600 anymore). I did the bios update with that without bios flashback, but I've heard a lot of people had good luck with it on the asrock boards, but the asus boards and flashback seems to be an issue (even if it's intel)
the pro art is so beautifull. and can handle gaming setup extremely well. Damn that thunderbolt and dual USB c is bad ass. and a DVD driver holy shit....
I really love that the pins are coming off the side! This should CLEARLY be made standard! No more forcing the cables to bend and they can be naturally plugged to the side of the board! Excellent!
What do you have against optical disks? They are still extremely useful and I never buy a case that would not have room for optical disk drive. People just dont seem to understand what advantages using optical disks for data have.
@@SilentHillFetishist I have used optical disks for backups of my files for decades. Started with CDs in mid 90s, then moved to DVDs and now I am using quad layer blurays. I have always used good quality optical disks and even the CDs I burned over 25 years ago still work fine. Not saying there hasnt been ones that have reading issues with some but in those cases a recovery software has still been able to recover all the data. I dont think there is any more "modern" media that can do the same so I still use them to off site backup files on my NAS that has dual drive redundancy.
I couldn't even find one. So I just bought an external. With that said.....my dvd drive is still in the box. I actually considered blu-ray, but all the external blu-ray drives didn't have the best reviews so I reverted to DVD. I don't remember the last time I put a blu-ray in my old computer anyway. LMAO And my biggest reason for wanting it, Star Trek Voyager Elite Force, is now available on GOG. One of these days I want to look at some of my old CDs. But I can do that on either of my computers now. I don't remember the last time I had a DVD drive on a laptop.
@@awilliams1701 Pioneer makes best quality bluray burner drives nowadays. Plextor used to be good but their quality has gone down so pioneer is much better option nowadays.
Wow just today I was thinking “I’ve never struggled more on a PC than trying to screw that tiny m.2 bolt in.” That swivel mechanism on the creator board is the perfect answer and I need 1.
same but i hv asus z690. i struggled while puting it to main cpu side slot next to gpu. even puting heat sinks on that isnt easy. i wud suggest ppl shud do it prior installing ur board in the case.
I've moved all our AMD X570 based workstations to the Pro Art X570. We use Thunderbolt 3 for Zero/Low Latency high channel count audio interfaces and also for DSP acceleration. Previously we were using the ASRock x570 creator which were great, but the built in networking with the Pro Art is insane and really sold it. Also, looks damn classy and very understated.
If I understand correctly, you run the small DP cable from the gpu to the mobo's input and then run a thunderbolt 4 cable from the mobo to the monitor. Is that correct?
Dude!!! What’s the VRM situation on these boards? What’s the memory topography? What’s the heat sink situation (ie: are they still just big chunky blocks?)? Do they support dual bios? Are there bios selection switches on the board, or is it software based dual bios? How many layers is the actual PCB substrate? So many important unanswered questions…
Lol! This has really become a problem with “reviews” on RUclips - it’s almost always surface level info. It’s so hard to get to the technical guts of whatever you’re researching.
So we're now 2 release phases into people getting this wrong: That Displayport port at the top is an IN to encode the displayport video out from your graphics card onto the Thunderbolt ports. Without that port being plugged in you do not get video over thunderbolt on Ryzen. Thunderbolt support in Ryzen has existed since Day 1 of X570. Most other motherboards that support it have a header for an add-in card to be placed in PCiE slot 5. What I'm curious about is: The older X570 boards that had Thunderbolt 3 ports instead of the add-in Card (ASRock phantom gaming ITX/Creator/Aqua and a non-ASRock model I can't recall) were wattage limited to 15W, and the models that supported add-in cards (ASRock Taichi, Gigabyte Aorus Master, etc) supported up to 85W to power connected devices, what can these do?
@@sirius4k as another commenter has pointed out (credit to Jahnosch), the DP in is how AMD gets TB to work for screens. DP out of GPU into DP in, then into mux, out of USB C to TB display
@@GianniMenassa that's the POINT. intel, previously, didnt like selling their stuff, including at many times their intel networking hardware, to AMD and their third party partners. the fact that this DOES have intel stuff just shows that they are a force to be reckoned with. like jay said, he has yet to see any intel boards for current gens that are up to this level of "holy shit this is NICE"
As someone who has been looking to build a PC for a few months now, I agree completely. I was looking at the Asus TUF x570 and the Gigabyte Aorus Elite and both looked cheap compared to their z590 counterparts and both had their ups and downs, like TUF with no intel lan etc.
@@ghomerhust I agree with you for sure, I love AMD in the market but I wish they could really just fully make and design the whole board to add that layer of full amd you know? Using Intel stuff inside kinda defeats the whole idea/purpose a little.
@@jocramkrispy305 That sucks. I think this should be standardised, because those stupid connectors have been the bane of my life since the 90s. Still, even if they change from one to the next, they'll still be easier than fiddling around inside the case.
Jay, the short display port cable, is to connect the display port OUT of your video card to the Display port IN on the back of the Motherboard connectors, this feature will enable the two USB-C/Thunderbolt connectors for video out and monitors that support USB-C/Thunderbolt video Video IN. It's in the manual on the optical disk.
As far as the driver disk is concerned. Yes really. It is easier if you're having buggy issues before the drivers are loaded to just slap the disk in and make sure all the devices are recognized and then update as necessary. But that new creator board looks sick.
I probably will pick up some asus board in the future. I had one of the sabertooth FX boards until recently and I loved that thing. Never an issue with it. Seems like a good idea to see if AMD will change the socket though, Jumping in with a pricy board and then discovering I have one generation on it feels like a waste to me.
You say "Really?" about the CD with the mobo, but I frankly appreciate that they're still including them. I still use a CD drive, and it's nice to have any software I may need, on a nicely labeled disc, without looking. It's not necessary, but it's got some niche cases, and I appreciate the little extra effort. Also, it's cool to see some motherboards focused on things other than gaming, or just being a shitty bare bones mobo.
@@liquidcobalt CDs are fairly resistant to archival conditions, namely tossing it into a jewel case and putting it in a closet for 20 years. thumb drives can certainly do that too, but they are a *little* more fragile. businesses will stick whole stacks of those CDs on top of each other and vacuum seal them as redundancy sometimes.
The ProArt board is what I've been considering for my server build, it's a really interesting board in the way they have things laid out. The second M.2 actually steals PCIe lanes from the PCIe x16 link so you can have two M.2's running off the CPU. Planning on upgrading my main system to a Zen3 3D Cache Refresh chip and using my current 3900x in a server to replace my old R710.
The newest Ryzens have enough PCIe lanes that the M.2 do not impact the graphics port lanes. Check the lanes the PCU supports, and likely have more than enough. It was one reason why I waited for adoption before getting it!
@@wolphin732 Yeah I know how it works, I have a X570S Aorus Master already that has 4 slots but 3 of those share the chipsets PCIe 4.0 x4 link. I'm specifically talking about the way the ProArt board works. It has two m.2's that run off the CPU, steals some lanes from the primary PCIe slots to do that. From the manual: "M.2_2 shares bandwidth with PCIEX16_2 slot, which runs at PCIe 4.0/3.0 x8 by default. When M.2_2 is enabled, PCIEX16_2 will run PCIe 4.0/3.0 x4 mode, adjust this item in BIOS settings"
Its the same for the crosshair extreme fwiw, but I hear the dimm 2 slot thing uses the chipset's 4x but I think without borrowing more lanes from GPUs 16x, so I think max 3 m.2 before GPU is impacted, not 1
"They give you QR codes to download stuff, that makes sense" said no one ever... unless their desktop, SSD or Windows 11 actually has a QR scanner in it. (OK, smart people can transfer the link to the desktop, or use some other service/utility... but still, QR codes. :P )
I wondered that too... ironically, Asus has completely solved the issue by using that rather nasty BIOS feature that force-executes all the Asus bloatware (and drivers) upon first boot into windows... so I'm not sure I like the alternative to QR codes, sadly.. (Personally, I disable "Armory Crate" in the BIOS boot options before installing an OS on Asus boards - I even do it before installing any drives, just to be sure I don't forget and end up having that rootkit infect my fresh install with Asus' festering garbageware!!)
@@dregenius Is that the bios of just Windows/MS having access to the drivers? I notice Win 10+ automatically installs things like proprietary printer drivers etc.
10:16 - Not just the speed advantage, man! The lack of cabling! Built my first M.2 NVMe machine about a year ago and was like, "whoa! Modular power supplies ftw!" Modular PSUs almost didn't matter back in the day as you still had SATA power (and, God forbid, Molex) and data cables all over the place. Now, with NVMe drives though? You might have one or two, but for the most part? Data cables, power cables?...all that's gone! It's AWESOME!
Is it me or was something messed up with the settings during the filming/rendeing? The quality seems unusually grainy, kinda like poor low light performance but it's all the time and even in areas that seem to be lit fine. Could be that the entire workshop wasn't lit properly and the camera did it's best to make it look somewhat lit.
@@kamally it shouldn't but i saw another youtuber video that the entire video is fully screwed and the creator said that he played the video file that he uplodaded in his pc, and the video file is just fine
If I didn't already have a decent motherboard, the ProArt would definitely have been high on my "to buy" list. Personally I hate the unicorn barf visual assault RGB a lot of board manufacturers make these days, so it's good to see a nice, clean, non-gaudy motherboard.
I never really went for "Gaming" labels when trying to upgrade my gaming PC since I know those are just marketing gimmicks to add extra $$ on the price but I have also avoided "Pro" or Designer" labeled products too thinking those are mostly for professionals/content creators (for the most part) only. So far I haven't had any luck what so ever with a Motherboard that does NOT have RGBs screaming all over it. I guess it's time to check out those other labels as well.
don't look at the labeling at all really, just compare the product. Motherboards (and other stuff) have all kinds of weird names. Gaming, pro whatever doesn't matter. Doesn't mean less value either, there are good value mobos with 'gaming' or 'pro' in their names. Gpus as well.
Using msi boards for years and years and never had an issue. 🤔 But i must admit, the bios menu always sucked compared to asus or gigabyte. I doubt it, but i hope msi reworked their bios with LGA1700.
@@khaychi It was better back then. In 2015 bought a Z97A Gaming 7 motherboard with an i7 4790k, which was my daily driver for 6 years, and the BIOS was awesome. Now, I have an X470 Gaming Pro Carbon (got it for 50€, it was mistakenly diagnosed) and somehow they managed to make it crappier than 2014 boards 🤣🤣.
Normal people need a motherboard: “alright time to buy one” Rich tech tubers need a motherboard: “time to demand free stuff from manufacturers under the guise of advertisement”
These random board reviews are really just paid advertisement for the manufacturer. I'm sure Jay gets paid to do this video and gets a free high end board.
@@diaman_d it’s more about getting the channel more exposure, so it gives people who are interested in the content more chance to find it. And by doing that jay can earn a bit more money. So I think it’s a bit of both
The way Jay said "we will see when alder lake comers out" says it all. He knows intel will catch up some but wont be able to beat AMD yet again with another generation of intel cpu's. Im so happy for the competition AMD provides to the two most greedy company's in the world. Intel and Nvidia. You put all three together you get RGB ! BAZINGA
Alder Lake will probably edge ahead of Ryzen 5000... just in time for 6/7000 to come out and curb stomp it again. We also still need to see if Alder Lake holds up to the gaming performance improvement of the 3D-VCache "refresh" chips. But that's a good thing! Competition is always good for the consumer, because if nothing else, competition drives improvement. The performance change from about Intel 4th gen to 8th gen is pretty poor, and only once AMD emerged as a threat again has Intel started to do anything other than incremental upgrades. (Although 11th gen should not have bothered launching.)
Many still use cd's, dvd's and bluray discs (myself included). PC's should get bluray releases of games like consoles do btw. It's a good thing they are included and are great to have even if you update the driver. Physical media is king and digital is the next best thing.
There is a reason why games never have a physical release anymore. Back in the day copy protection was actually harmful for your computer's operation. They had some really nasty crap. Then steam became a thing and a lot of games said steam alone was good enough for copy protection. So people like me intentionally bought the steam version to avoid the horrible crap that was included with the DVD version. A lot of people made the switch for that reason and physical sales dried up to the point where they just didn't bother selling games on disk anymore. Jay is right though. Why include a disk when you can include a USB drive instead? Not everyone wants or will have a disk, but the motherboard itself already has USB. So it makes more sense. Also once you buy the board, you could potentially turn the USB drive into not just drivers, but a windows 10 installer as well.
I do get one thing though. Back in the day I had DVD, but it wasn't common. Then half life 2 came out.........on 6 CDS!!!!!! I'm like give me a DVD dammit!! It took like 3/4 hours to install. Then I had to run steam and create an account. I had to connect with dialup. Then over dialup it took hours to decrypt the game into a playable state. Ironically I don't have that account anymore and I was so pissed I played the game once and never again. These days I can download a 20gb game in like 20 minutes. LMAO More convient that disks that's for sure.
Guess it's matter of taste ,priority and preference. But i like having most stuff on physical disc media instead of relying on just the internet and usb sticks. Do a'lot of data storage on bluray discs, some on dvd's and cd's are mostly for old software or music cd's. So i prefer physical media, but digital is good to have as well.Just whish new PC games could be bought in the bluray format. Sadly also the newer bluray format has not been released. Single layer discs of that format would hold more data than the dual layer discs of today, if not even as much as 100+ GB.
Thank you soooo much for this video. I was interested in learning more about the X570 ProArt board and saw this video show up. Perfect timing and an excellent overview of the board and it's features. At the risk of being redundant, thanks again!
Nah the Thunderbolt I couldn't care less about. Having had a look at the devices that use it and use cases, I can't see a single one that would benefit me, it does however present a lot of headaches for Linux operations though, which I DO care about. But for my uses, I would rather trade that Thunderbolt for more PCI-E 1x electrical slots for addon cards, such as a potential harddrive controller.
I would love to get my hands on a pro art board to match the aesthetic I want to go for with a nice clean blacked out system that has minimal lighting.
Even though that plexi sheild looks nice on the ProArt board, the PCH die would probably get better thermals if it was removed, if there's good airflow in the case.
AMD with Thunderbolt! Finally starting to appear on high end / gaming boards. Very happy to see, even though it will be a while before I can even think about building a new setup. I love the look of the ROG Crosshair VIII Extreme.
@JayzTwoCents 3:23 Some many of us out here in the real world still use optical drives. Try to remember that your usage scenario isn't everyone's usage scenario. So yeah, DVD with drivers and utilities is a good thing.
Thunderbolt has been royalty free and open since Intel opened TB3 a few years back and it has been offered by Asrock on some of their X570 boards. Thunderbolt 4 changes things a little as it is basically USB4 but with all the features required while USB4 has a much lower feature requirement.
The CPU cooling clearance should never be a problem on that board, because if you are forking out for that board you are likely sticking a water block in it anyway. May be an issue for LN2 pots however so probably not a good OC board, but a good one for pushing a stable clock on with water for gaming.
Awesome. Would be cool to see how well Thunderbolt works on AMD. I know Gigabyte have been releasing some Thunderbolt add-in cards and their B550 Vision line is also Thunderbolt capable.
This will definitely work with cases like a Midi Tower Cougar MX330. Picked it up yesterday and it has a shit loud of wholes to route cables. When I don’t like though is that it has the bay for a 5.25 drive which nobody uses. You can obviously leave that empty, they put a metal mesh there
The ProArt Mobo is everything I could ask for as a gamer. If the x8 slot doesn't half the full 16x slot then I'm sold. Always wanted to dual gpu so my side monitors didn't take any processing away from my center (gaming) monitor. I also love going airflow so all those fan headers are a must!
As someone who stripped a M.2 screw and literally can't get that drive out (at least without breaking something...) I *really* want those toolless thingies on more boards...
The short cable is for bypassing a signal to mb, which then sends it via tb4 protocol on usb c on the mobo along with all the tb4 bells and whistles of tb4
The short displayport cable ist for the displayport IN on the top. That is the way AMD achieves the thunderbolt connectivity for screens, by throughputting the displayport-out of the gpu in the motherboard and out the usb c
I always wondered how that would work with a GPU - makes sense! Probably what the display port on my motherboard is for too - an input, not an output. D'oh!
It hurt me on the inside that Jay missed it. But hey people learn their whole life :D
I noted this also and mentioned it to the wife.... silly blind Jay
was just about to type this because I have the same thing on my gigabyte b550 vision d motherboard although my monitor doesn't want to enable freesync if i use the thunderbolt route so for gaming I still have a displayport going to the graphics card which sucks.
yup, a lot of "creator" motherboards have that. wish the would make it even shorter with 90 degree connectors (so you can close off 5 off your usb 3.1 ports that are placed right below the dp port)
Jay missed something VERY important on the both motherboards. On the back, the DP connectors are INPUTS not outputs. You must use the small DP cable from the mobo box to run from GPU to the DP in on the motherboard.
this is used to feed video on the thunderbolt 4 ports.
Yeps! that is precisely it.
That's why the cord is so short.
Yeah, that is what made this board interesting as hell. I think maybe he thought the boards would be nothing special if given away. Love this board, almost grabbed one too.
Well you don't have to ise the one that come with the mobo
But why would you want that, isn't there an adaptor or something that you can buy? Is it a worthy feature?
As a designer by trade I really appreciate a brand beginning to make products that aren’t just plastered with RGB and sharp color changes. If that’s your style that great but some of people still like the clean well thought out design aesthetic and it’s nice to see that being addressed!
When ever GPUs become available again I'm going to build a PC and I couldn't care less about RGB anything.
totally agree
How do I get more FPS? More LEDs!
I run Linux on all my machines, I just wish the RGB was BIOS controllable instead of needing software that only works on Windows.
@@btbarr16 RGB is definitely the last thing i consider if at all when looking at components
Really like that creator board. Hope more brands come out with clean looking mid-level boards.
That toolless securing mechanism for the M.2 is such a genius idea. More motherboards should have that now that M.2 is becoming more and more popular.
*screws down cover with exact same amount of screws*
@@tmog-racing I'm pretty sure those were captive screws
I was surprised that they didn’t come as standard since day one. Or clips like you get holding laptop ram in
@@landonbrown5295 I'm just saying...... he saved having to use a screwdriver for 2 screws, by using a screwdriver for 2 screws. Now, if those same 2 screws held the M.2's in aswell, going right through the heatsink thing , and then securing the m.2,,,,,,, that would make sense
Saying it's genius there's not 2 screws to do up, while doing up 2 screws, was just ironic
I had bad time with that piece of plastic. Kept misaligning my 970pro, if I did not notice, I would crack it when putting on the mobo included heatspreader.
Man.... A well designed, non-gaudy, no-RGB, non-gamery motherboard. I'm in love, that's exactly what I want.
Finally, non-gamery pc parts, this is good.
I hate RGB, I also dislike status lights on crap that is turned off... But I am probably in the minority..
Well, you can always turn the RGB off if you want
@@MrJonas7 It's nice to pay for something you're not gonna use.
@@ska4dragons Well, I choose a motherboard based on different criteria than RGB. The cost of putting a few LEDs on the motherboard is probably also marginal compared to the overall cost.
Jay, the short DP cable is for the thunderbolt video passthrough. you glazed right over the "DP IN" port on the backpanel.
I REALLY like those Proart boards, but man they are pricey for what they are.
and don't even come with a W(orkstation) chipset.
@@diaman_d True, but *is* there a workstation chipset for AM4? I feel like AMD really wants you on sTRX4 for "workstation" use... in fact I've wondered in the past if the 20 PCIe lane limitation of even the beefiest AM4 Ryzens was a way to steer workstation users towards Threadripper without hurting performance for "normal users" too much...
@@dregenius *24 PCIe lanes. but yes, you would want to go with threadripper for workstations that needs a lot of fast nvme-drives, seeing as you only have lanes for one drive on a regular ryzen cpu.
Cus ASUS...
@@StopaskingformynameRUclips oop! You're right, I got confusion, 24 lanes.
That Proart board is making me want to rebuild my whole system. It's so classy! It reminds me of a different time, it's almost retro. Also, Thunderbolt 4 on an AMD board?! Simply amazing!
*Dual* Thunderbolt 4! Both C-ports have the stamp next to them.
@@RayneAngelus I was checking the specs and apparently both of these boards are Dual Thunderbolt 4!
@@AmazingMrX Yeah Jay noticed that on the Extreme board but on the ProArt his wording implied just one.
@@AmazingMrX just asking as a pc noob, what is thunderbolt 4 good for and usage?
It's amazing how many people like the ProArt, highlighting specifically the RGB-less design. I hope we all reward Asus for this, giving clear signal that there are people who do NOT want RGB things for their PCs
I like rgb but not the rainbow puke stuff. i like argb mainly because i use it to customize my pc the way i want. like with ICUE i have a blue background with a light blue rain on everything. but there is also times i turn it off if i want. plus if i ever change themes its just a matter of draining my fluid and refill with another color then change colors. everything else is all black. what i do not like from asus is the b550 boards have red on them. they should have went just black so people could customize how they want. i didn't pick up an asus board because of that. (even though i love their boards and their software)
you can always turn it off and be just as it never had rgb at all.
Nzxt N7 series is pretty good too
Just got one. Love it
yeah fuck RGB.
I just installed the Extreme yesterday. One thing to be aware of it that the M.2_1, M.2_2, and M.2_3 all share PCIe bandwidth with the CPU. Only M.2_1 will be recognized until you change the settings in the BIOS to be PCIe 4.0x16 + M.2_2 + M.2_3. This will result in your GPU running in 4.0 x 8 mode and your M.2s all running in 4.0 x 4 mode. If you want to keep your GPU in 4.0 x 16 mode, you cannot use M.2_2 or M.2_3. In that case you must use the DIMM.2 expansion to access the PCIe lanes from the chipset. I have three PCIe 4.0 NVME M.2 drives with a 3080 Ti...the difference is less than 1fps so not a huge deal with current gen GPU, but if you plan on keeping the mobo for a few years we may end up seeing GPUs that need more than 4.0 x 8 or 3.0 x 16. This board is the only one I found that works well and is stable with G.Skill 3600 14-14-14-34 Ram and multiple PCIe 4.0 NVME drives. My ASRock Taichi didn't handle the combo. The Gigabyle X570S Aorus Master worked fine with the NVME drives, but when my Phanteks RGB devices were plugged in on the 5V ARGB header it caused weird power fluctuations that killed my other GPU. Specifically, the case fans and GPU were getting power when the PC was turned off if the 5V ARGB was connected. I'd avoid the Gigabyte if you plan on using a Phanteks Digital RGB hub. One other thing, don't do anything until you update the Extreme's BIOS. I couldn't load Windows with three different sets of RAM until I updated to the latest BIOS 0402. And also be aware that there is no "XMP" or "DOCP" option in the BIOS. In order to get mine to run at rated speed I had to change two separate settings: 1. Change speed to 3600 and 2. then load the applicable timing profile. Doing only one or the other did not work. These settings are not done in the same location in the BIOS.
Thanks.
Bro, legend.
A CD included with the ProArt makes sense.. not all company workstations have internet access, some are only closed/internal network or isolated for security purposes or what have you. Also a lot of professional studios still install software via physical media or use older software that isn't available anymore or superseded but serve a niche purpose or used by veteran artists who refuse to learn/use the new titles, but whatever the case, these workstations (or most in general) still utilize dvd/cd drives.
Everything you said is correct - Works for a studio.
just seemed odd that they didn't just include a small preloaded usb like they do with other high end boards
@@Phynellius i have never actually had a USB with any board, ever. Which one(s) have you had one be included, out of curiosity?
No... doesn't make sense. Users may not have access to install drivers from the internet, the IT always has all the access they need. Likewise, the only reason why workstations would have optical drives is if they were some HP/Dell dirt and they usually include a slim-line drive that never gets used. Most normal companies have their install files in some sort of network location. Nobody uses optical drivers for sure. As well consider - these won't be corporate build, companies won't bother picking individual parts, they more likely just get some HP prebuilt workstation and that is it, this more likely professional artist building a personal rig so "no internet" point is really irrelevant.
Not to compare apples to oranges but if Microcenters page is correct, you can still get Windows in CD/DVD form...thought they all went to ausb type of media
Both boards have DisplayPort INPUT, not out. It's for passing video from the GPU into the Thunderbolt ports
My friend sent this to me because I was just telling him yesterday that I dont care for a bunch of RGB on my pc I use for creating. The timing is great lol
They supply the CD in case you're in a location without internet, poor internet, or even an air-gapped setup. Sure it doesn't make sense for most people, but if you're the guy building an epic gaming rig in a cave in the wilderness, it makes sense. This is the same reason they send paper instructions with everything still. You could go download the instructions, but if you don't have internet you would just have to guess.
last pc i built was in 2013. it still doesn't have a disk drive.
@@jetah50 and?
@@jetah50 i got my pc in 2016 and it does have a disk drive lol
That Creator board is a sight for sore eyes in our overdesigned gamery BS market.
Not really. They still painted everything black. A simple, no-nonsense, plain green board and plain aluminium heatsinks, now THAT would be a sight for sore eyes.
you sir are correct, god I am tired of the awful tacky tasteless RGB crap, it was bad 15+ years ago.
@@Felessen you literally can turn it off. People just don’t like rgb because it’s trendy to not like rgb 😂😂😂
There is 5 M.2's besides the two he uncovered and the DIMM, the other one is located right beneath the CPU.
There's also an oled screen on that m.2 cover.
@@JJayzX really?
@@JJayzX oh sorry😅
I have to say it, I'm in love w that proart mobo...
As someone who has rgb on almost every component except his desk tools... I'm really aching to build a blacked out ZeroLED machine...
I'd love to see it in a Moonlight edition for an all white and gray zero-RGB build.
Both boards look so nice, however I think I would go with the creator board since I love a more minimal aesthetic. Thanks for the awesome video!
Yep. My current desktop is a black monolith with 5.25" bays for internal hard drive hot-swapping and optical disks. Zero RGB on it. All professional.
Yeah I love that black and gold theme
Beautiful MBs, can't wait to install them into a nice windowless case.
Buhhht buuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhht
Wind0Ws are kEEEEEWWwwwl...
Dremel are cheap!!
that proart is perfect for music production - lots of usb for audio and midi interfaces, lots of fast storage for vsts and sample libraries etc.
exactly. Its a shame they took so long to release such a nice product tho.
also great for crazy simulator setups, for the same reasons. Midi devices are becoming very popular very quickly in particular with flight simmers. Sorry if you can't get your hands on a behringer xtouch mini anymore
Just used it to build my DAW
I would LOVE that Extreme but I already sold most of my internal organs back in the early 2000’s on PC hardware.
hey man, at least you had good organs to sell. Many don't even have that because they got poisened for others greed.
ROFL, I thought the same when I built my ' price no limits ' $4K build back in 2017. 🤪
There are still a ton of organs on other poeple tho....just saying....
@@2nd_Directorate ‘hey mum…!’
You ought to keep the Jay theme going with 12 days of HoliJays Christmas video specials.
He did it last year, I think it was the 31 days of Jaymas.
@@cardsfanbj yeh that’s why I suggested just 12 days
@@asallee2 after how hard he worked for those 31 days, I was surprised he decided to do all of Halloween too
Those little latches for the M.2 is the best idea somebody from Asus came up with. The day i got them at my job i was jumping with joy .
All the DP are "IN" in case you want to use passthrough from your gfx to the motherboard (thus the short DP cable 😎) and out from the TB4 ports to whatever display you have. Also bear in mind that eGPU is not yet active on AMD boards, a firmware fix should be on the way 👍🏼👍🏼.
Kind of interesting how gamers are often put off by the 'gamery' designs. I'm definitely one of those that prefer a little subtlety.
Yeah, almost as if the manufacturers are trying to be cool and think they know what we want XD
@@GabrielTobing Oh, they definitely are. Good luck finding a plain green board with unpainted heatsinks these days, especially one for the performance sector. They seem to think everyone who builds a high-end machine is either a depressed teen who only wears black or a hyperactive primary-schooler.
Right? I went from having all RGB fans, but then I realized it was annoying and more pricey. Now I run some grey fans the move 127CFM of air which is much better over the weak RGB fans. Makes you wonder what else you fell for.
I like the look of really flashy, colorful rigs, but while I'm actually playing a game it's just a huge distraction. Put it in an art gallery, not on my desk.
That smudge on that brand new Corsair monitor though. I've seen that same smudge in multiple video's now and it is driving me crazy. CLEAN YO SHIT JAY!
“Creator” focused applications like octane and premier use multi gpu without SLI so the 3 full length slots make sense
@Politically WOKE Hindus My guess is that it wouldn't provide much benefit for games.
@Politically WOKE Hindus games don't scale as well with multiple graphics cards
Yes, but the second and third one was only half speed of the top one, correct? So that makes it less viable since we want fast connections so 16x on both should've been the case, at least!
That implies that a gpus requires 16x speeds to operate or cards running at 8x speeds drastically loss performance. I work in the design field we do a lot of renders on software like keyshot and corona render which use GPU accelerated rendering. The machine I use at home for my side projects has two 2080 supers with a 3950x. So the first two full length slots are running at 8x (technically with an nvlink bridge thing but I sometimes disabled it on the application).
And if I we’re to full utilise all the full length slots. It might be for video editing, have the last slot in 4x speed for like a Red Rocket card (not sure how those work never needed one, I don’t own a red camera lol).
Edit: spelling mistake
@@chillsoft ^ forgot to tag you my bad
might want to take a look at the renderer, the last few vids has some really fuzzy colors, black especially which is a shame given these lovely products' color ^^
I agree, glad I am not the only one that noticed.
It's the camera. He got a new camera a few months ago. I instantly hated it. Black looks like shit ever since he started using it.
I'm a fan of the ProArt design. I'd like to see more mature and clean gamer MOBOs without RGB overkill. Albeit, the new ROG Crosshair VIII Extreme is very clean looking as well and the RGB isn't too much, maybe what I get for my build. But I still want to hold off for the next-gen CPUs.
Jay: Especially how cheap M.2s have gotten.
Me: Cries in Australian, where they are still expensive.
I know. I'm crying too.
Why are they so expensive for us? :(
Almost every part is extremely expensive in the land down under! built a friend system before the world caught on fire in late 2019 and even then the 250$ she gave me for building it and 400$ plane ticket still worked out cheaper than sourcing those same parts there. I feel for you guys!
@@shadowslayer7600 I think the middle man (transport shipping company that delivers the items) puts a mark up on the goods delivered and therefore the PC stores that sells them needs to make a profit so they put on more money.
Yeah the Australia tax sucks mate
This is why i want to buy another ASUS board again, never had issues with them and they have solid build quality and good support
Indeed. And they look absolutely gorgeous :D
As my other comment, i still have a working p67 Sabertooth board with a i5 2500k even after the board spent a few years in a junk drawer with screwdrivers and junk. That Armor they put on those boards is more than just a gimmick.
well a lot of people including jay have had issues with the bios flashback feature. I have an asrock and I couldn't find my 5900x at the time so I bought a temporary 3600 placeholder (since I couldn't stand my pathetic i7-2600 anymore). I did the bios update with that without bios flashback, but I've heard a lot of people had good luck with it on the asrock boards, but the asus boards and flashback seems to be an issue (even if it's intel)
the pro art is so beautifull. and can handle gaming setup extremely well. Damn that thunderbolt and dual USB c is bad ass. and a DVD driver holy shit....
It clearly says "DP In 1" and "DP In 2" on the rear I/O corresponding to the dual USB C Thunderbolt ports. They're not DP out XD
I really love that the pins are coming off the side! This should CLEARLY be made standard! No more forcing the cables to bend and they can be naturally plugged to the side of the board! Excellent!
What do you have against optical disks? They are still extremely useful and I never buy a case that would not have room for optical disk drive. People just dont seem to understand what advantages using optical disks for data have.
I sometimes needed to boot by cd to fix system hive files.
@@SilentHillFetishist I have used optical disks for backups of my files for decades. Started with CDs in mid 90s, then moved to DVDs and now I am using quad layer blurays. I have always used good quality optical disks and even the CDs I burned over 25 years ago still work fine. Not saying there hasnt been ones that have reading issues with some but in those cases a recovery software has still been able to recover all the data. I dont think there is any more "modern" media that can do the same so I still use them to off site backup files on my NAS that has dual drive redundancy.
I couldn't even find one. So I just bought an external. With that said.....my dvd drive is still in the box. I actually considered blu-ray, but all the external blu-ray drives didn't have the best reviews so I reverted to DVD. I don't remember the last time I put a blu-ray in my old computer anyway. LMAO And my biggest reason for wanting it, Star Trek Voyager Elite Force, is now available on GOG. One of these days I want to look at some of my old CDs. But I can do that on either of my computers now. I don't remember the last time I had a DVD drive on a laptop.
@@awilliams1701 Pioneer makes best quality bluray burner drives nowadays. Plextor used to be good but their quality has gone down so pioneer is much better option nowadays.
Can you list the advantages of disk media over solid state media like USB flash drives etc? I'm curious.
That proart looks so classy. Do a "if Frank Sinatra had a pc" build lol
That 1940s design aesthetic on a motherboard
yeah it's almost art deco for sure. simplistic and clean. i love it
@@TravisFabel It runs the Batcomputer in TAS
my first flatscreen monitor i bought had a sticker on it, saying compatible with Windows 7 😂😂
Wow just today I was thinking “I’ve never struggled more on a PC than trying to screw that tiny m.2 bolt in.”
That swivel mechanism on the creator board is the perfect answer and I need 1.
same but i hv asus z690.
i struggled while puting it to main cpu side slot next to gpu.
even puting heat sinks on that isnt easy.
i wud suggest ppl shud do it prior installing ur board in the case.
I've moved all our AMD X570 based workstations to the Pro Art X570. We use Thunderbolt 3 for Zero/Low Latency high channel count audio interfaces and also for DSP acceleration. Previously we were using the ASRock x570 creator which were great, but the built in networking with the Pro Art is insane and really sold it. Also, looks damn classy and very understated.
Quick question?
Does crosshairs wouldn’t do the audio editing?
Display ports on both motherboards are market as DP IN for the thunderbolts
If I understand correctly, you run the small DP cable from the gpu to the mobo's input and then run a thunderbolt 4 cable from the mobo to the monitor. Is that correct?
Dude!!! What’s the VRM situation on these boards? What’s the memory topography? What’s the heat sink situation (ie: are they still just big chunky blocks?)? Do they support dual bios? Are there bios selection switches on the board, or is it software based dual bios? How many layers is the actual PCB substrate? So many important unanswered questions…
Bruh, it has a lot of aRGB headers. Drop that BS of yours and use your LEDs instead! :D
Lol! This has really become a problem with “reviews” on RUclips - it’s almost always surface level info. It’s so hard to get to the technical guts of whatever you’re researching.
So we're now 2 release phases into people getting this wrong: That Displayport port at the top is an IN to encode the displayport video out from your graphics card onto the Thunderbolt ports. Without that port being plugged in you do not get video over thunderbolt on Ryzen.
Thunderbolt support in Ryzen has existed since Day 1 of X570. Most other motherboards that support it have a header for an add-in card to be placed in PCiE slot 5.
What I'm curious about is: The older X570 boards that had Thunderbolt 3 ports instead of the add-in Card (ASRock phantom gaming ITX/Creator/Aqua and a non-ASRock model I can't recall) were wattage limited to 15W, and the models that supported add-in cards (ASRock Taichi, Gigabyte Aorus Master, etc) supported up to 85W to power connected devices, what can these do?
That explains the relatively short DisplayPort cord that came with the board
Those tool-less m.2 retainers are so cool. I definitely don't NEED them, but they would make swapping drives so easy
Agreed that they are a great idea. Too bad that the cover still uses screws, though.
I just completed a build with the Extreme and a 5950x and it is absolutely insane. Love it!
Ryan McGinn --> Would love to see that AND to see how it performs. Do you think you could upload a video to your channel?
always nice to buy the crosshair VIII HERO for them to come out with the EXTREME a month later. My balls, they hurt
There's always going to be something new after whatever you buy.
Ice is still cheap. Just don't use icy hot.
The Crosshair board actually has FIVE m.2 slots, hence the lack of PCIe slots.
That's a DP in on the ProArt!
Noticed that too. Why would you need a DP In?
@@sirius4k as another commenter has pointed out (credit to Jahnosch), the DP in is how AMD gets TB to work for screens. DP out of GPU into DP in, then into mux, out of USB C to TB display
@@SpacedAug omg
lol, he looked at the DP In on the gamery mb and said DP out. He does not pay attention here :P
Glad to see some thunderbolt options appearing on AMD boards. My audio interface requires thunderbolt, and I would like to make my next rig AMD.
I have the Extreme and it even has a small microwave oven compartment. You can only do one hot pocket at a time, though.
Another sign AMD has disrupted the market: The overall quality of AMD boards has gone up significantly.
He was wrong and you are sadly. It is legit Intel Parts on an AMD board haha.
I don't think the quality of the boards have changed. I think the fact that people care about AMD boards have changed.
@@GianniMenassa that's the POINT. intel, previously, didnt like selling their stuff, including at many times their intel networking hardware, to AMD and their third party partners. the fact that this DOES have intel stuff just shows that they are a force to be reckoned with. like jay said, he has yet to see any intel boards for current gens that are up to this level of "holy shit this is NICE"
As someone who has been looking to build a PC for a few months now, I agree completely. I was looking at the Asus TUF x570 and the Gigabyte Aorus Elite and both looked cheap compared to their z590 counterparts and both had their ups and downs, like TUF with no intel lan etc.
@@ghomerhust I agree with you for sure, I love AMD in the market but I wish they could really just fully make and design the whole board to add that layer of full amd you know? Using Intel stuff inside kinda defeats the whole idea/purpose a little.
I wish I waited for the new X570 boards, I bought one when they first launched and even the B550 boards have some better features.
Yep, I’m with you on that one. the early x570 boards were just overpriced crap!
Wait til x770/x870 comes out before jumping onto AM5
Can we take a moment to appreciate that front panel connector adaptor?
unfortunately they change it between versions, so you can't just board swap, you have to redo connector :(
@@jocramkrispy305 That sucks. I think this should be standardised, because those stupid connectors have been the bane of my life since the 90s.
Still, even if they change from one to the next, they'll still be easier than fiddling around inside the case.
@@Farzlepot at least I could see to read the silk screen back in the 90s
Jay, the short display port cable, is to connect the display port OUT of your video card to the Display port IN on the back of the Motherboard connectors, this feature will enable the two USB-C/Thunderbolt connectors for video out and monitors that support USB-C/Thunderbolt video Video IN. It's in the manual on the optical disk.
As far as the driver disk is concerned. Yes really. It is easier if you're having buggy issues before the drivers are loaded to just slap the disk in and make sure all the devices are recognized and then update as necessary. But that new creator board looks sick.
Most pcs don't have a way to READ a disk
I probably will pick up some asus board in the future. I had one of the sabertooth FX boards until recently and I loved that thing. Never an issue with it.
Seems like a good idea to see if AMD will change the socket though, Jumping in with a pricy board and then discovering I have one generation on it feels like a waste to me.
backplate would have been nice on the motherboard ;D
You say "Really?" about the CD with the mobo, but I frankly appreciate that they're still including them. I still use a CD drive, and it's nice to have any software I may need, on a nicely labeled disc, without looking. It's not necessary, but it's got some niche cases, and I appreciate the little extra effort. Also, it's cool to see some motherboards focused on things other than gaming, or just being a shitty bare bones mobo.
He said that because they could have used a USB-stick! Yeah, some people still have a drive, but everybody has a USB-port.
@@liquidcobalt usb stick cost a lot more then a cdrom disc. though these boards are not exactly cheap. lol
@@LCJammer My mainboard came with a nice, full metal usb-stick containing drivers and software. It is read-only though.
@@liquidcobalt CDs are fairly resistant to archival conditions, namely tossing it into a jewel case and putting it in a closet for 20 years. thumb drives can certainly do that too, but they are a *little* more fragile. businesses will stick whole stacks of those CDs on top of each other and vacuum seal them as redundancy sometimes.
Hats off to Phil, Nick, and Jay for pumping these vids out!! Great work all!
The ProArt board is what I've been considering for my server build, it's a really interesting board in the way they have things laid out. The second M.2 actually steals PCIe lanes from the PCIe x16 link so you can have two M.2's running off the CPU. Planning on upgrading my main system to a Zen3 3D Cache Refresh chip and using my current 3900x in a server to replace my old R710.
The newest Ryzens have enough PCIe lanes that the M.2 do not impact the graphics port lanes. Check the lanes the PCU supports, and likely have more than enough. It was one reason why I waited for adoption before getting it!
@@wolphin732 Yeah I know how it works, I have a X570S Aorus Master already that has 4 slots but 3 of those share the chipsets PCIe 4.0 x4 link. I'm specifically talking about the way the ProArt board works. It has two m.2's that run off the CPU, steals some lanes from the primary PCIe slots to do that.
From the manual: "M.2_2 shares bandwidth with PCIEX16_2 slot, which runs at PCIe 4.0/3.0 x8
by default. When M.2_2 is enabled, PCIEX16_2 will run PCIe 4.0/3.0 x4 mode, adjust this item in BIOS settings"
Its the same for the crosshair extreme fwiw, but I hear the dimm 2 slot thing uses the chipset's 4x but I think without borrowing more lanes from GPUs 16x, so I think max 3 m.2 before GPU is impacted, not 1
My first Jaytober makes me excited for next year
"They give you QR codes to download stuff, that makes sense" said no one ever... unless their desktop, SSD or Windows 11 actually has a QR scanner in it. (OK, smart people can transfer the link to the desktop, or use some other service/utility... but still, QR codes. :P )
I wondered that too... ironically, Asus has completely solved the issue by using that rather nasty BIOS feature that force-executes all the Asus bloatware (and drivers) upon first boot into windows... so I'm not sure I like the alternative to QR codes, sadly.. (Personally, I disable "Armory Crate" in the BIOS boot options before installing an OS on Asus boards - I even do it before installing any drives, just to be sure I don't forget and end up having that rootkit infect my fresh install with Asus' festering garbageware!!)
@@dregenius Is that the bios of just Windows/MS having access to the drivers? I notice Win 10+ automatically installs things like proprietary printer drivers etc.
ALWAYS ENJOYING THE JAYTOBER MY MAN GREAT CONTENT!! 😀
10:16 - Not just the speed advantage, man! The lack of cabling! Built my first M.2 NVMe machine about a year ago and was like, "whoa! Modular power supplies ftw!" Modular PSUs almost didn't matter back in the day as you still had SATA power (and, God forbid, Molex) and data cables all over the place. Now, with NVMe drives though? You might have one or two, but for the most part? Data cables, power cables?...all that's gone! It's AWESOME!
Then you look at all your Corsair stuff, and your heart sinks! Lol 😂
there is also a 3th m.2 slot under the little center screan.
Is it me or was something messed up with the settings during the filming/rendeing?
The quality seems unusually grainy, kinda like poor low light performance but it's all the time and even in areas that seem to be lit fine.
Could be that the entire workshop wasn't lit properly and the camera did it's best to make it look somewhat lit.
Looks like that to me too. all the dark colors are grainy AF
i think youtube compression screw up the video quality
@@eliahr11 Shouldn't be this bad
@@kamally it shouldn't but i saw another youtuber video that the entire video is fully screwed and the creator said that he played the video file that he uplodaded in his pc, and the video file is just fine
@@eliahr11 rip
If I didn't already have a decent motherboard, the ProArt would definitely have been high on my "to buy" list. Personally I hate the unicorn barf visual assault RGB a lot of board manufacturers make these days, so it's good to see a nice, clean, non-gaudy motherboard.
The extreme board has 5x m.2 slots you missed checking out the one closest to the CPU. 2 on the dimm, 2 at the bottom heatsink, and 1 near the CPU.
That x570 extreme is insane. I’m happy with the dark hero
I never really went for "Gaming" labels when trying to upgrade my gaming PC since I know those are just marketing gimmicks to add extra $$ on the price but I have also avoided "Pro" or Designer" labeled products too thinking those are mostly for professionals/content creators (for the most part) only. So far I haven't had any luck what so ever with a Motherboard that does NOT have RGBs screaming all over it. I guess it's time to check out those other labels as well.
don't look at the labeling at all really, just compare the product.
Motherboards (and other stuff) have all kinds of weird names. Gaming, pro whatever doesn't matter. Doesn't mean less value either, there are good value mobos with 'gaming' or 'pro' in their names. Gpus as well.
Meg Unify series are all simple.rgbless.
As well as Nzxt motherboards.
feutures we are still waiting for:
msi releasing a working mobo
Using msi boards for years and years and never had an issue. 🤔 But i must admit, the bios menu always sucked compared to asus or gigabyte. I doubt it, but i hope msi reworked their bios with LGA1700.
@@khaychi It was better back then. In 2015 bought a Z97A Gaming 7 motherboard with an i7 4790k, which was my daily driver for 6 years, and the BIOS was awesome. Now, I have an X470 Gaming Pro Carbon (got it for 50€, it was mistakenly diagnosed) and somehow they managed to make it crappier than 2014 boards 🤣🤣.
Using a MSI b450 for like three years now, and just updated bios a couple months back and now running max oc memory and 4.0 ghz on a 2600
@@Rancid_Ninja my b450 cant even keep a 2400g stable
@@mx2004mx don't use G cpus lol
Normal people need a motherboard: “alright time to buy one”
Rich tech tubers need a motherboard: “time to demand free stuff from manufacturers under the guise of advertisement”
sadly the cold hard truth of corrupt capitalism
These random board reviews are really just paid advertisement for the manufacturer. I'm sure Jay gets paid to do this video and gets a free high end board.
I had to pause the video to say I appreciate that background music. So subtle and unexpected.
15:37 No, I would assume this is additional power for the front USB-C 3.2 located right next to it, that support PD 3.0 (60 Watt)!
That Content creator board looks sweet and exactly what my wife's 3D Modeling computer could use on the next upgrade. Thanks for showing it off Jay!
On a side note, Jay, did the daily upload feed the algorithm well enough? As a former RUclips content strategist, I'm genuinely interested. Thanks!
is it about content creation or plain making money ? Different people have different priorities.
@@diaman_d it’s more about getting the channel more exposure, so it gives people who are interested in the content more chance to find it. And by doing that jay can earn a bit more money. So I think it’s a bit of both
The way Jay said "we will see when alder lake comers out" says it all. He knows intel will catch up some but wont be able to beat AMD yet again with another generation of intel cpu's. Im so happy for the competition AMD provides to the two most greedy company's in the world. Intel and Nvidia. You put all three together you get RGB ! BAZINGA
Alder Lake will probably edge ahead of Ryzen 5000... just in time for 6/7000 to come out and curb stomp it again. We also still need to see if Alder Lake holds up to the gaming performance improvement of the 3D-VCache "refresh" chips.
But that's a good thing! Competition is always good for the consumer, because if nothing else, competition drives improvement. The performance change from about Intel 4th gen to 8th gen is pretty poor, and only once AMD emerged as a threat again has Intel started to do anything other than incremental upgrades. (Although 11th gen should not have bothered launching.)
Many still use cd's, dvd's and bluray discs (myself included). PC's should get bluray releases of games like consoles do btw. It's a good thing they are included and are great to have even if you update the driver. Physical media is king and digital is the next best thing.
There is a reason why games never have a physical release anymore. Back in the day copy protection was actually harmful for your computer's operation. They had some really nasty crap. Then steam became a thing and a lot of games said steam alone was good enough for copy protection. So people like me intentionally bought the steam version to avoid the horrible crap that was included with the DVD version. A lot of people made the switch for that reason and physical sales dried up to the point where they just didn't bother selling games on disk anymore. Jay is right though. Why include a disk when you can include a USB drive instead? Not everyone wants or will have a disk, but the motherboard itself already has USB. So it makes more sense. Also once you buy the board, you could potentially turn the USB drive into not just drivers, but a windows 10 installer as well.
I do get one thing though. Back in the day I had DVD, but it wasn't common. Then half life 2 came out.........on 6 CDS!!!!!! I'm like give me a DVD dammit!! It took like 3/4 hours to install. Then I had to run steam and create an account. I had to connect with dialup. Then over dialup it took hours to decrypt the game into a playable state. Ironically I don't have that account anymore and I was so pissed I played the game once and never again. These days I can download a 20gb game in like 20 minutes. LMAO More convient that disks that's for sure.
Guess it's matter of taste ,priority and preference. But i like having most stuff on physical disc media instead of relying on just the internet and usb sticks. Do a'lot of data storage on bluray discs, some on dvd's and cd's are mostly for old software or music cd's. So i prefer physical media, but digital is good to have as well.Just whish new PC games could be bought in the bluray format. Sadly also the newer bluray format has not been released. Single layer discs of that format would hold more data than the dual layer discs of today, if not even as much as 100+ GB.
Thank you soooo much for this video. I was interested in learning more about the X570 ProArt board and saw this video show up. Perfect timing and an excellent overview of the board and it's features. At the risk of being redundant, thanks again!
Nah the Thunderbolt I couldn't care less about.
Having had a look at the devices that use it and use cases, I can't see a single one that would benefit me, it does however present a lot of headaches for Linux operations though, which I DO care about.
But for my uses, I would rather trade that Thunderbolt for more PCI-E 1x electrical slots for addon cards, such as a potential harddrive controller.
hentai can wait, time to watch a new jay video.
You got your priorities right! :)
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@Randy Names and im saving to upgrade my pc, that and i dont have the space for more than 1.
I would love to get my hands on a pro art board to match the aesthetic I want to go for with a nice clean blacked out system that has minimal lighting.
Even though that plexi sheild looks nice on the ProArt board, the PCH die would probably get better thermals if it was removed, if there's good airflow in the case.
AMD with Thunderbolt! Finally starting to appear on high end / gaming boards. Very happy to see, even though it will be a while before I can even think about building a new setup. I love the look of the ROG Crosshair VIII Extreme.
@JayzTwoCents
3:23 Some many of us out here in the real world still use optical drives. Try to remember that your usage scenario isn't everyone's usage scenario. So yeah, DVD with drivers and utilities is a good thing.
17:45 i miss when they used metal instead of plastic on parts
Thunderbolt has been royalty free and open since Intel opened TB3 a few years back and it has been offered by Asrock on some of their X570 boards. Thunderbolt 4 changes things a little as it is basically USB4 but with all the features required while USB4 has a much lower feature requirement.
'board for creators' throws out CD which creators tend to use.
Loved the moment he throw the cd over his shoulder
That Asus X570 Crosshair VIII Extreme Board is the most full featured board built to date and is hella gorgeous
The CPU cooling clearance should never be a problem on that board, because if you are forking out for that board you are likely sticking a water block in it anyway. May be an issue for LN2 pots however so probably not a good OC board, but a good one for pushing a stable clock on with water for gaming.
That ProArt board is beautiful. I love the sleek dark look to it, id take it over the flashy boards for aesthetics.
Tell me we all didn't inhale suddenly when Jay's screwdriver slipped on the shiny metal M.2 plate :)
4:25 It looks so beautiful.
Finally no RGB.
Awesome. Would be cool to see how well Thunderbolt works on AMD. I know Gigabyte have been releasing some Thunderbolt add-in cards and their B550 Vision line is also Thunderbolt capable.
This will definitely work with cases like a Midi Tower Cougar MX330. Picked it up yesterday and it has a shit loud of wholes to route cables. When I don’t like though is that it has the bay for a 5.25 drive which nobody uses. You can obviously leave that empty, they put a metal mesh there
3:27 I do the same thing to every driver CD/DVD I get.
The drivers are usually old.
The ProArt Mobo is everything I could ask for as a gamer. If the x8 slot doesn't half the full 16x slot then I'm sold. Always wanted to dual gpu so my side monitors didn't take any processing away from my center (gaming) monitor. I also love going airflow so all those fan headers are a must!
As someone who stripped a M.2 screw and literally can't get that drive out (at least without breaking something...) I *really* want those toolless thingies on more boards...
The pro art motherboard aesthetic reminds me of my MSI Unify. Very similar, very gorgeous
The short cable is for bypassing a signal to mb, which then sends it via tb4 protocol on usb c on the mobo along with all the tb4 bells and whistles of tb4