Tiny 3D-printed PC vs. Fastest Xbox
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Damn bro designed his own case, used the files for a 3d animation with crazy lighting, built the computer, ran the benchmarks, filmed his own video, editing everything, and is swole AF. What can’t he do?
Let his arm hair grow haha. What kind of man shaves his arms?
Truly an optimum moment 🗿
@@riomendoza1111aerodynamics are key for godlike aim
@@riomendoza1111 Even if he doesn't hair on his arms he has more hair on his balls than you ever will :)
@@riomendoza1111 You've been trying so hard to get a reaction for so long. That can't be healthy.
“aiming for me” 😆 3:43
That was his first reaction about seeing how strong AA is in Apex.
Recommend to lower the Aim assist
Never touched Controller on Apex Legends
KB and Mouse player
and COD is like twice as strong xdd
@VskutkuTrigen no where near
@@alexlaletin724it's not twice as strong but it's definitely stronger. It's a joke.
@MrDutch1e mate if it was that strong it would be broken , in the clip above its moving the character it doesn't do that in cod , I would wipe the floor with pc players if it was that strong 😄.
saying 3.6L made me think you were going to say "naturally aspirated" afterwards lol
This made me chuckle 😂.
ya that tiny pc with a 3.6l v8 NA powering it hahah
was about to make that comment and i saw this. 😑
@@NanescuRadu1Ferrari 360
petrolheads unite
$500 vs $800ish
People see the price difference and discount the fact on PC you have more choices of input in most if not all games, ability to mod games, play older games, emulate other systems games, play with any variety of monitors/resolution/frame rates, you get to use your computer for editing gaming montages, streaming, work, or any other PC program.
In some cases even this budget PC performs twice as good as the XBOX with higher fidelity. And you don’t have to pay for online.
In what world is all of that not worth the $300?
Keep in mind he built his own case and you do need a mouse and keyboard which he didn't factor in. Any decent PC case is going to run at least $80 or so, and most tiny cases for micro builds like this are like $120 more. Then you need a mouse, probably another $50 or so for something decent like a Rival 3 or something, another $80-$90 or more to get a decent mechanical one like Keychron or something. At that point you're looking at an extra $200 or so, bare minimum $100 if you're going for bargain stuff. At that point you are quite literally paying double, or at least close to it depending on case, mouse, and keyboard choices. I think it's still worth it, but to say it's only $300 more just isn't true
You do have more choice, but if you stray from the default (Xbox controller) forget the convenience. Try to make work a Dualsense or a DualShock 4 wirelessly out of the box.
Don't forget that games are often cheaper on pc than console, shrinking the price difference.
Well said. If you afford both, even better. However, I would always recommend getting PC first. My PS5 is more like TV's media center and I own only two exclusive games that are not (yet) on PC.
the thing on top of it all is it doesn't HAVE to be $800, you could spend that exact same $500 for roughly the same performance while gaining those benefits. And in the long run like you mentioned not having to pay for online, that adds up and you'll break even and save money.
But definitely that extra $300 does so much and you can't argue what you gain out of going PC.
The fact that mouse and keyboard players have to compete against controller in Apex Legends is absolute insane
I hope they fix this issue with cross/play in all fps games very soon.
They can't fix it. Either PC players deal with a significantly lower matchmaking pool (before cross play you couldn't find anything other than TDM on Call of Duty a few months after launch) or we play at a disadvantage.
I remember when playing with your friends no matter what platform they're on was a pipedream. I don't care that I'm at a significant disadvantage - I'm just glad I can play with friends and play my preferred game modes.
They can always switch to controller. Problem solved.
Apex and COD are just console games that people play on PC now.
@@GuyGamer1 they can fix it. It's more convoluted than it needs to be but it is fixable and it's not a platform problem. It comes down to mk vs controller. Being that consoles support m&k, then to me that's the only fair way. Alienate the scum of controller players entirely and let them fight AA on their own by themselves how they want it.
The version of Control you played on the xbox was the xbox one version so thats why you did not have a ray tracing toggle, you need to play the Control ultimate edition for the series x/s version. And secondly, you can use mouse and keyboard for most of the games you played on xbox as xbox supports mnk natively. Just a few things to correct otherwise good vid.
Yes, however, Apex and Overwatch are not games that can be used with a MNK natively. Only with third-party software, i.e., Xim or any other MNK adapters.
One difference I've noticed is I'm less framerate sensitive with a controller, you really feel when display doesn't match a direct body motion input like a mouse, vs just holding a stick left and it moves for you.
Very true. 60 fps with a controller is a lot more manageable than 60 fps with mouse and keyboard, even on third person games.
I think you can choose between keyboard and mouse, and controller on both platforms, can't you?
Also, wireless controllers tend to have more latency than a mouse input, so less FPS is not that noticeable when the response is overall slower but consistent
@@lande.r1bro what it is definitely noticeable
Yes but once you play 1000hz polling on controller at 120+, you will start noticing lol
This guy is the real life Batman
Edit: thanks allot for 1K
Yeah, always gave Bruce Wayne Vibes
Wayne Enterprises
+1
He legit lives in the dark knight’s futuristic batcave but in an alternate dimension where it’s fully black instead of white
Just a manlet version
Bro needs to unveil his own pc case brand
I could totally see that happening.
His designs are solid but he'd need to find a partner to do the production, easier said then done
@@Boofskiand qc for 3d printed stuff would be a nightmare
It's also highly specific for these components, which won't fly on the open market. You might as well consider it proprietary.
Awesome camera setup, I appreciate you stepped up to 60fps for the monitor angle.
The refined version of your 3D printed mini-PC looks awesome! I'm going to have to print this thing.
You’re stuck paying for Xbox live for life on the Xbox and that’s going to increase the price of it every year or else you won’t be able to play online
This...I have no idea how they are able to go on without any consequences...
@@faiz697 Because people continue paying for it and nobody reallys puts up a fuss.
PC is cheaper, especially if you got lucky with Steam skins etc. you earnt by just playing games. CS:GO / PUBG crates have paid for the last 7 years of gaming for me.
Why do people even bring this up? It would take 6 years for the price to approach the PC even with that factored in.
@@hebie666 also how many games would you buy in its lifetime?
Bro totally ignored that PCs can play pirated games and can be made using used parts on a discount @@hebie666
Best tech channel, production quality is nuts. Shows how much care goes into the uploads.
Informative and cool vid! I like how you appreciate both pc and console. I grew up on console, got really into PC, and now I enjoy the benefits of both
CONGRATS on the 1M Subs, love the content and the way you go about it. The files freely available to this project is an example of that!
Nice! Waiting for the fusion files :)
What a beast! Always wanted to do this, thanks for sharing the experience.
Congrats on hitting 1M subs my guy! Been watching you for 3 years now and glad to see how far you come! Cheers!
When are the fusion 360 files going to be ready? I'd love to recreate this build!
They are linked…
First video I've seen from your channel and it's brilliant. Well done!
Such a clean, compact build 🤩
here comes the AA community "it doesn't work for me like that" 3:52
ive adjusted settings used a broken ps5 roller and it felt like aimbot, it would follow as much or more than the above example and even pre-emptively follow enemies appearing around corners warning me when they are peaking the corner. its broken.
There’s settings that make it stronger that’s the worst part
They’re currently coping on Reddit, from ‘mine doesn’t look like that so he must be faking it’ to ‘I find myself fighting against the aim assist, it makes aiming harder’
another great video; Really looking forward to the updated files :)
Looking forward to the files, would love to try this case with an old small formfactor PC I have
9:03 I'm pretty sure RT is only on the Ultimate Version of Control only thats prob why and you had the base version.
At this point the thing I appreciate the most about your videso is the fact that you never ask me to subscribe or ring that stupid bell thing. Amazing (I am subscribed btw)
Genuinely, whenever youtubers constantly ask you to subscribe and hit the bell icon, I usually unsubscribe from them.
If your content is good enough, I'll subscribe. If it isn't I won't. I'm not going to do it because you keep begging.
@@ChrisKendallCK I agree but unsubscribing when they tell you to "hit the bell and sub" is a little extra.
or sponsor segments, the delivery is so clean and focused.
He's based
I think it’s proven to work though. I mean I agree with you- it’s so annoying and I personally have never subscribed after hearing someone ask me to- it’s about the content, but it still works for many. I know my 10year old subscribes to everything when they say it. Haha.
HAPPY 1M SUBS OPTIMUM, u got me into pcs and tech and taught me to build a sick setup.
You earned my sub over the last couple days... really clean case. Keep up the good work.
What a great project and video!
ps: don't forget the files pls
Still waiting for those fusion files
Congratulation on the 1million Sub this is my favorite Pc Tech channel you make PC look so Cool!
So great seeing this and your case. I finally took the plunge making a custom case at 5.2 liters. Had the frame fabricated and made the custom cables. It’s way more fun than actually using a computer
Don't worry, you can make gaming just as fun as building a PC by getting intensely into relentlessly modding your desktop UI, along with every game you play. I struggle to play without ReShade in games now because I'm just feeding a relentless urge to constantly tinker.
nearly at a mil, congrats bro
and people are delusional for thinking controller's aim assist is fair lmao
Depends on game in apex its a terrible implementation
Yeah but a mouse is way quicker, easier to control & has better precision/accurate aiming, a controller joystick has a short movement its like 1/2 inch from top to bottom or left to right, plus aiming is controlled by a thumb vs whole hand lol, that's why some games have some aim assist or a slowed down aim cursor near targets, its not gonna make you any better, and also most game cheaters are by PC mouse/keyboard users, in the end both mouse & controller each have their pros & cons.
@@ArdaSReal Yes, obviously it's way overdone in this game. But then the question remains, if it's generally possible to balance two so different things, by using what always was and still is called a cheat, if not implented by the game devs themselves .. I don't think so, and I see it as a big problem ruining games, because it takes the relevance of skill away, which leads to even less sophisticated game experiences, which generally is an issue with console gaming, as console gaming alwys has been the 'lazy' way of gaming. And by technologies like this. they are dragging down the PC players' level of sophistication to the level of couch gamers, which is very sad, because there soon will be no choice anymore for those who actually like things being harder but also ore reqarding to master. The usual modern issue of 'instant gratification' is taking over gaming :(
Even controller players want aim assist lowered or removed, myself included, it’s not even needed that’s the broken part
It's only good 1v1. When you need to constantly move your aim it actually holds you back. If you think it doesn't you only play scrubs that can't even win a 3v1
Great video! I like the comparison and even thought its not apples to apples, but i guess thats not the point of pc vs xbox... quite impressive that little build of yours :) well done
The new print looks professional, a polished version of the previous in the older video. Are the beta nano-rig files updated to this new version? Kudos for your great skills!
a PC can be used for Photo editing, Video editing, Coding, Game developing, 3D modeling, Digital art, Software making, Studying, 3D printing, Streaming, Emulating, Digital work(social media,shop..),...
Right and much more😂
PC is the most revolutionary tech ever.
Its perfectly balanced
Not huge to cover the room, not small like in the hands for an uncomfortable experience.
Can do 90% things.
Literally anything you can possibly think of. A personal computer has been the most powerful invention of the last 100 years, at least.
I love playing pc exactly for this reason but in terms of strictly gaming, consoles are making a much better case than they used to with the better performance customization with the quiet yet portable form unlike a normal desktop. Not paying for live services anymore is a great plus as well 🤙🏻
If PC was so good, why isn't there a PC 2?
Where are the linked fusion 3 project files?
I just recently got my first OLED monitor (Alienware AW3423DWF) and it makes me appreciate your production quality even more. I knew it was good before, but with a color accurate, QD OLED monitor, it's pretty mind blowing. Something as small as wearing a black shirt when you have a black/white theme for a scene
I have been eyeballing a new Bambu Labs 3D printer and this just gave me an excuse to finally click the buy button and upgrade my now basically antique Lulzbot Taz 5. Looking forward to you uploading the files for this project for Fusion360 . I am planning to build this. Super slick and clean. BTW... What kind filament did you use? I was thinking PETG CF would be nice and durable. Awesome work !! If I remix anything I will be sure to link you and give full credit !!! Love all your videos. This one has me mind blown !
PETG CF and PLA CF are only very slightly more durable than their non-CF counterparts. Those are mostly beneficial for their nice matte black finish and very good dimensional stability. Neither would be suitable for a PC case like this due to their low temperature resistance.
ABS is probably the best commonly available choice for this, but if you really want to go fancy, PET CF is the way to go. You'll need a P1S or X1 enclosed printer for it, and a hardened steel nozzle with the P1S. 0.6mm is best, but 0.4mm will work.
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Are the files going up for this soon? Trying to print this, but the files still havent been updated yet. Thanks!
Congrats on 1 mil, you have some very good videos!
Always look forward to a noti from optimum tech even when its late
Still no files
This is a great video! Something to note; when consoles lock to 60fps, they typically need the headroom to do so, to provide a smoother experience. So I wonder if they unlocked the Xbox framerate cap, would we see 70-80+ FPS in Apex?
Nope, it doesn't work like that. Consoles use dynamic resolution scaling to maintain a lock at the target fps.
@@Chopper153 that actually depends on the title. Cyberpunk is a great example of resolution scaling, but otherwise having the CPU and GPU headroom is key for stability.
They wont probably unlock the frame rate tho
Would've loved to see a tear-down or build guide of the mini PC. Got me questioning building one now and replacing my huge tower.
Completely agree, the main driver in the PC vs console decision is budget and then compatibility. Consoles provide an out-of-the-box, consistent experience and the value of a service such as game pass cannot be understated. They are perfect for the user who does not want to tweak a ton of settings or deal with the complexities of a PC. PCs on the other hand, give you the freedom to tweak settings and upgrade individual components over time, which some people value and others don't. The use cases for both have a good deal of overlap, but I don't see the debate as one vs the other necessarily. It all boils down the the experience you prefer at the price point you can afford.
Really enjoy your content and would really appreciate a pc cleaning guide🙏🏽
You gotta appreciate how well he compares the two objectively instead of straight ripping on Xbox. I haven’t played console in years now but the value you get out of a Series X for $500 with better quality/performance customization than previous gen consoles is pretty amazing. This is perfect for casual gamers wanting to further explore into pc gaming, awesome video. 👍🏻
i have the same mouse pad through ur own recommendation, and was wondering if u use glass skates on it ever? i got some glass skates for my dav3 pro and its nice and smooth. however. once sweat starts accumulating on the mousepad, its instantly noticeable and significantly impacts the smoothness of the skates. to the point where its dragging instead of gliding. cleaning the pad fixes the issue, but as someone who gets really sweaty hands especially from gaming, it happens again pretty fast
Hey Optimum!
Could you please add the fusion files for the PC case please? (along with the components you used for the build). I want to print it off and make my own computer out of it! Thank you!!!
Aim assist is a legalized cheat.
😮 I’m printing that case!!! Epic work
Where are the files?
@@dutchrussell in the description he uploaded it on dropbox
@@markwashington7731 I watched this video like a day after it came out. He just recently uploaded the files.
Bro the video quality is unmatched. 😮 its just so clean.
This is so sick. Btw your description links to a i5 14400f rather than the 13400f you used.
wtf is that aim assist that's crazy !
Fusion Files? 😅
They are linked, WDYM?
@@xandermckay9806 yeah now are he said he will post the followinggg day but it took him 5 days lmao allg tho
Great video. Love the Aim Assist plug even more.
Kudos on the case design. I will print one up.
PC controller aim assist is crazy, but on console is already way too much.
Babe wake up. Optimum uploaded a new video
Wake up pc builder, we have an optimum video to consume - johnny computerguy
Approaching 1,000,000 subscribers! May I be the first to congratulate you! I really like the Tiny PC form factors and yours looks amazing!
Hey mate. Well you have the Nvidia DLSS there too. The other day, just because I never tried before, I compared 4K DLAA with DLSS Ultra Performance. And f me, if I could tell much difference on my 4090. I was quite shocked! In game I typically focus more on the action over looks anyway... but still. OK, so this was a RT cutscene in Horizon FW, and depth-of-field was also lowered (as that does not seem to handle upscaling in the background so well).
Wake up!! Daddy Optimum has posted a new video.
what have you been doin to your hair?
its growing more n more Majestic compared to three years ago
Great content bruv. This is a nice update to the age-old discussion, the 2024 version.
I wish u could give more details about the pc, ssd, ram gb and speed, what ur cooling is (mm of the fans) motherboard or if not included in the vid atleast in the description. But in the end ur vids are premium tier no doubt there
Now play botw on the switch at 20fps. That experience is miserable
4k 60 on PC.
@@Touma134 I haven’t tried emulators for the switch but I’ll check it out for sure
i play almost all my games on pc at 240 fps, and when i played through TOTK at 30 fps at first it bugged me but it really made me step back from the whole "max fps" realm which was refreshing. It took me less than 5 minutes to get used to the framerate. If I was playing it on PC at 30fps I would have hated it, but with a controller usually on a TV with max 60hz, it wasn't bad at all.
@@not_3thanyeah you are absolutly right but people like to be drama queens to farm internet points. No place for common sense and nuance anymore...
There's always someone who's dumb enough to talk about something they don't understand. The Switch is a portable device, and the only one on the market.
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honestly killed the game for me, idk how they don't see how broken it is
i would really love to have a full list of parts and files to print and assemble this gem of a build
FSR 3 with frame generation runs great in Starfield. I am using a 7840u handheld. Kinda saves the day for these running low res on small 7" screens.
Seeing a 4060 run OW2 at 4K 240 FPS is actually crazy
Ow2 is very well optimised
my 7 year old GTX 1080 runs OW2 1440p at 300+fps., at 4k it'll still be comfy at 120+fps but I don't play at 4k. OW has always been extremely well optimised. being my main game it's why I haven't upgraded my system since the game came out. no need!
8:45 I'm guessing you accidentally downloaded the older xbox one version of the game. If you look into the shop or the gamepass library, you'll see CONTROL: Ultimate Edition (or something similar to that) whch has the X|S badge in it. That is the newer version of the game that has the graphics options you're looking for.
hey bro, could you make a video about configuration of a new build pc, i always think i miss something, is there anything important beside the fan curve, bios update and the ram speed? thanks! love your content!
Hey! I saw your video on the smallest gaming PC and I think you can make it even smaller! You should check out some Framework PCB's, wich are consumer laptop motherboards. I think you can make a way smaller gaming PC using these, and these parts are available for everybody.
Something like a Framework PCB with a low profile eGPU and a tiny power supply for the GPU would be amazing and way smaller in volume than using a regular Desktop Motherboard.
I always enjoy when people bash 30FPS as harshly as it deserves, because it's a good reality check for delusional people with pitiful standards who consider it acceptable, and too many of them think it's not only 'acceptable' but a perfectly fine experience too. I can't even comprehend how immensely casual you must be to belong to that group of people.
Also you pay for Xbox to do nothing but gaming, which is a highly impractical scenario, but you can do literally anything on PC while still having access to the Xbox Game Pass and performing significantly better. An upgrade potential as well. Basically, PC is just an immensely better deal.
There is digital foundry if you need to know the resolution and settings on the console to match PC setting and a 4060 is not going to that.
Forza horizon 5 is not going to give you 4k 100 fps on a 4060, it's not even going to give you 4k 60 in high settings, that you got over 100 has to be a error on your part.
What's the noise level, power consumption and price?
I still hope too see more videos like this.
I currently have the PS5 with the GStory attachment. It's not ideal for travel at all, not even close. Curious to know if you would be willing to attempt a case with a mount for a screen (like one of UPerfect's 4K portable displays)
That would be a huge game changer for a lot of people since I think laptops are generally bad considering you need external power for them to get somewhat decent performance.
Control is split into the game on game pass and the definitive or ultimate edition which supports the 60/30RT settings.
mini is just the trend now, so size doesn't matter right?
Please bring back Reacting to your Gaming setups.
Could you pleease do a tour of your studio? All scenes look so incredibly nice.
Just a recommendation, maybe you can compare the temperature between those two next time, just curious
day 1 of asking for custom os recap
It should be customised for gaming using windows 10
Oh no, he went down the rabbit hole too?
The only decent one I found was Atlas but I much preferred a custom 21H2 I made with NTLite + some other tweaks.
@@griffin1366 A few weeks ago he too was talking about it on twitter.
@@frossida Actually I remember late last year he did as well and nothing ever came of it. People were giving him bad advice as well such as using ISLC etc..
I wonder if g-sync support will make a difference? Most consolers play on TV, which I think has some screen tearing protection(?), and pc’s mostly on monitors. If monitor supports g-sync/freesync the 50 fps will be much smoother
I think it’s really awesome what you’ve done with the mini pc. I know everyone fantasizes about having large rigs with all the top specs n such but I really feel like we’re at the point where we definitely could make top tier specs in the atx scene, rather even smaller than that. I know mini atx builds exist and what not but to get to the size that optimum has would be insane. Imagine a niche group of pc users that prefer tiny builds instead of large rigs and if those tiny builds could perform just as well as a full tower. I could imagine a market of many different mini case designs with useful features, modular capabilities, even swappable parts due to how small and compact the form factor is
I like both right. They are both good. But you showcased whats best about pc. Customization and open standards. You customized the case, a standard mini itx allowing you to design the case, an nvidia gpu with the performance and price of your choosing. The controller of your choice whether it be ps, xbox, other 3rd party, or kb and mouse. All the game setting customizations etc... the pc really is the only platform where you can make it yours.
Can u do an update video of ur 3D-printed PC?
I´d love to see the detailed improvements u did.
watchig this guy brings me so much joy
Hey Optimum, can you test the Attack Shark K85 and give a review? It's a magnetic keyboard with rapid trigger, costing lower than US$50. Your reviews are amazing, thank you for it.
Love the LG CX. The biggest display I could get was 55", because of the size of the space in my full entertainment center. I'm cool with that.
Love the video, but where are the 3d print files, like you said in the video?
Can you make a video on how to optimize a pc, like maybe cpu/gpu over clocking, ram timing,different xmp profiles fclk and whatever you feel like you want
@optimum
you can play MnK on console now just up to dev teams to decide if they want to support it
Though most this testing was done at 4K I have a feeling that the way faster CPU in the PC was doing a lot of the heavy lifting and helping push out those high framerates, even at 4K
For real man. The "it's a slow paced game I don't care about fps and input lag" argument amazes me. Do you not feel how gross it feels to control? Yeah you don't need split second reaction time but it feels gross. That smooth framepacing can only do so much to help 30fps.
With a controller, and when your display is taking up way less of your field of vision honestly, your eyes adjust, and input lag on a locked 30 really isn't as significant as you'd think. When you're hitting 30FPS because that's your GPU limit, it feels a whole lot worse. You see this with the amount of Steam Deck users who consider 30-40FPS an acceptable experience on a small display with analog controls. With a mouse though when the movement is 1:1 with your hand movement, it feels terrible. But with a joystick, you're controlling acceleration curves, so the feedback is nowhere near so sensitive.
I'd like to see you actually use the closest settings on PC to match the Xbox to be more accurate (you mentioned Digital Foundry, and they share those settings all the time), but great video anyways.
Been watching since the NCASE tempered glass panel, early congrats on 1 million subscribers!
You can use Launchbox/Bigbox to turn the PC into more of a console feel