I owned a 2001 century class with 12.7 detroit.The 1st injector gave out at 1.6 million miles,i replaced all of them and the head,head had a small crack in it. Replaced the turbo at 1.1M. Engine finally gave up.at 2.4m miles. It is the cheapest,easiest to work on,reliable engine! Can't go wrong with 60 series.
We mostly find issues with the quality of the reman parts. In some cases, we have received bad remain injectors out of the box and the same with water pumps. Thanks for sharing.
Incredible engine. Has its quirks, but it’s damn reliable and parts are cheap. Got a 99 12.7 in my glider Kenworth. Went from a Cat C15 to this Detroit and could not be happier. Tuned right, this little 12.7 pulls just as good as that 600 horse Cat and it doesn’t blow a head gasket every oil change. The Detroit leaks oil like a faucet though. It certainly marks its territory everywhere it goes, but I’d have nothing else over it. Bless Detroit for building this amazing engine. If you’re in the market for a truck, do not be scared of this engine. Rebuilt my Cat for 25 grand and it was still a money pit. The Detroit costs 14 grand out the door for a full rebuild just like my Cat was done. This engine is cheap, reliable, and pulls like hell if it’s tuned properly. Stay safe drivers!
@@derick12331 It was done by reputable shop in Moorhead MN that me and many friends use. Platinum Cat kit in frame done on it along with new turbos since they were the original ticking time bombs for a brand new engine. Liner protrusion checked and was within 3 thousandths. Right after I got it done, Cat decided all c15s need to get the block decked during a rebuild. It was too late for me. Engine made it 100,000 miles and the engine had to be tore back down. I sold the truck and took a $40,000 loss. I hated that Cat and did what it took to get rid of it. Got a glider with a series 60 that I paid dearly for since it’s E log exempt and I’ve never been happier.
Guys get Pittsburgh Power tune and their turbo, it’s a whole new animal with up to 40psi boost and +1mpg fuel bump, no reliability issues in 1,5 years running it
I have a Freightliner glider with a 1996 Detroit 60 12.7. I had a very expensive rebuild, all gears, crank, injectors etc. The rebuild cost more than I paid for the truck but that's not a complaint. I have no complaints. It's a clean and beautiful looking engine. I'm looking forward to putting a lot more miles on this engine in the future. Thank you for the video. I might stop by and see you guys this winter.
Hello guys, I’m actually subscribed to both of you guys maybe one of you can help me out. 2014 cascadia DD15. Rough idle low power no code for it. After getting the truck check over by a friend (no mechanic) we found that my air filter hadn’t been replaced in some time and was completely clogged. (Thanks Speedco) Changed it and truck was a little better but still rough idle and low power. So I took it to the dealer. Thinking maybe I lost an injector or maybe a boost leak. I asked them to fix crank seal leak and a leak on the fuel rail line since I was in the shop. And to replace a nox sensor since I had been riding around with that light and code for a couple years with no issues. They fixed the oil leaks and then replaced the both nox sensors. Test drove and said your good to go. On the very next load I pulled. I still had the rough idle and low power. Now 55 mph derate. Back to the shop. After they broke transmission lines and def lines and made me pay for them. They then replaced metering unit and def dosier. Hey your good to go. Still rough idle and low power the first hill I came to. 5 mph derate and a huge tow bill back to the shop. Where my truck sits after $11,000 later.
Thanks for the video, got a 12.7 pre emmissions and havent had any issues in the past 1 yr owned except the fuel sender eent out but that was a 76$ fix, but these type of videos help me out alot to know what to look for . Thsnks again.
2000 freightliner century 12.7 470hp Pre Emissions owner here......900k Original miles No rebuild ......new injectors......I wouldn't let my Series 60 go for a brand new DD15 in a Peterbilt........
2000 freightliner century 12.7 470hp Pre Emissions owner here......900k Original miles No rebuild ......new injectors......I wouldn't let my Series 60 go for a brand new DD15 in a Peterbilt........
Why would companies want to stop manufacturing parts for a very popular engine? On the surface it seems like a poor decision from a business standpoint. A large number of truck operators will want to continue using the Series60 engine.
Taking money out of their own pockets to put more into their pockets. Everyone who knows diesel engines know that the 12.7 60 series is the best engine for longevity and reliability with oem components. With that said compared to all semi trucks on the road today there aren't many 12.7 being used. If I had to guess I'd say less that 2% of tractor trailers operated in the US has a 12.7 detroit. Most older owner operators run a 12.7, 🐈, or red top cummins while the younger owner operators run a mbe, isx, or dd13/15's. Lowering the 12.7 pot.
@scav, Detriot only rebuilds existing parts for the 60 series. The 60 series does not meet newer EPA standards, so engineers produced engines that would use up-to-date technology. Higher compression and fuel pressure allow for smoother operation and a broader torque curve. Detriot now focuses its manufacturing on late models. Be sure to subscribe for more content. 👍🏼🔧💪🏼
@Brandon, the entire world is working towards green. The USA is one of the less strict nations, unlike the EU. Be sure to subscribe for more videos and when we go live. 👍🏼🔧
I have 12.7 and it's in a Columbia glider. That engine was NEGLECTED and poorly maintained. Former FedEx ground truck and for those that don't know up here in CT there's this regional manager that's pushing these contractors to run 7 days so maintenance is on the fly for those guys. Plus the contractor was cheap. I'm playing catch-up now and it's in the shop getting the front cover noise checked. Hoping it's the accessory drive not the bull gear.
my 04 century has a 12.7 from 1999. 430hp model, entire new bottom end. took the oil pan off to repair it and could still see honing marks on the sleeves/inside of the block looked like it was a brand new engine. burns no oil, runs solid. 300k after rebuild/freshup
We also owned a pre-emission 60 series in a century. Excellent engine, the only complaint from the drivers was the ride quality. Thanks for sharing, and be sure to subscribe.
El loko, have you run a boost leak test? I would also recommend an air in fuel test. Thanks for watching, and be sure to subscribe to our channel to stay connected. 👍🏼🔧
@@TATEXPRESSINC they still out there! You might not see it,because, any back yard mechanic can work on them and you know 12.7 it’s a reliable engine. When I go to buy oil filters for mine,at dealership i can’t see one in the shop. But,I see like 10 Cascadias in line to be fix. Not everyone knows how to work on DD15. I have a 98,and still working fine. With a Rebuilt engine ,and 2 million plus miles on it. Thanks for the information We all appreciated!
I have a n14 red top and is a beast's more powert then Detroit and sound better but Detroit's are so good too sound smoth plus a big plus diesel consumsion is less is like having a 4 cilinder engine in a semi truck another thing off Detroit series 60 they start right away and Cummins take for ever some times
How about a video of your opinions of the newer engine platforms. Leaving the truck out of the equation. Just which ones are the least problematic. Say 2014 and up which are the ones to have or not have? Thanks. Also where is your shop located? Always looking out for a good shop and where they are.
DD15 gen5 or late model DD15 2017 and up has met EPA standards and still is a reliable and affordable platform. Keep in mind maintenance plays a significant factor
Parts are no longer being produced? To what extent? I haven’t been made aware of this!! Sources that parts manufacturing has been stopped for these engines?
My truck has a funny idle before my over haul and new computer it sounded normal had a overhaul new computer and fuel pump put in. It just seems like those three things aren’t acting together they’re acting individually or something
I'm almost bankrupt after my dd15 has spent the past 5 months in 4 different dealership shops with the same aftertreatment electronics problem. I gave up handing my money over to Freightliner for not fixing my truck, so now I'm selling it with the dash code. The only thing worse than this garbage engine is the humanoids behind the dealership service counters. They start getting angry as soon as they realize you're trying to explain that you're having a recurring failure, and most of them have no problem at all shouting over you nonstop just to prevent themselves from hearing what you have to say. They act like it's me who built this truck, not them. So my next truck will be a Cummins. Hopefully I never have to set foot in another Freightliner dealership. Simply awful.
Hey bro can you tell me whats going on?2004 freightliner detroit60/12.7. vpod for turbo&vpod for egr valve..i changed the actuator on the egr valve..after that when i excelerate i get a split second delay on response..its like after i mash the gas the truck has to think about responding for a split second.then it goes???what did i do wrong?
Bought a Peterbilt truck from California that had 1.6 million on a 12.7 Detroit with an after market DPF filter, did an overhaul removed the DPF filter, truck drives and pulls great but in the morning start it has a blue white smoke for like 10min smells like diesel, it's REALLY bugging me already tried changing the injectors again but still no luck, what could it be?
Tip of the day: Don't buy a Detroit any series... They are obsolete and have been taken over by Mercedes DD series. This has been a fact since 2015. Detroit got butt hurt when PACCARD bought out Cummins. PACCARD was still in the process deciding which motors to install in OVR tractors, when Detroit Diesel came in and bought all their parts back from PACCARD. This lead to their downfall and why if you own a Kenworth or Pete you cant get parts for a Detroit 60 in any dealer locations. Now the Detroit building in Michigan says Mercedes on it. This is the same power plant that was in the Ford Sterling back in 2000. Unless you go to the manufacture or Freightliner , its impossible to get parts ..and it wont be long til they are fazed out!!
Correction don't get a 5th gen dd series engine or better. Ex: dd13, 15, 16 these are basically MBE's. Just bc parts are no longer produced doesn't mean that parts aren't available.
I owned a 2001 century class with 12.7 detroit.The 1st injector gave out at 1.6 million miles,i replaced all of them and the head,head had a small crack in it. Replaced the turbo at 1.1M. Engine finally gave up.at 2.4m miles. It is the cheapest,easiest to work on,reliable engine! Can't go wrong with 60 series.
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I 2nd this
Impressive experience, what oil change interval you were doing and what oil filters you have been using.
Thanks
Wow
Do you mind to share some maintenance tips also some specific parts brand name?
Thanks
I work at a Freightliner dealer, series 60 parts are still produced and the parts are not hard to get. We can get what you need directly from Detroit.
Ive never had any problems finding parts and its been by far the best engine I’ve ever owned.
We mostly find issues with the quality of the reman parts. In some cases, we have received bad remain injectors out of the box and the same with water pumps. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you for this video. We want more DETROIT 60 CONTENT
@Jo Co, be sure to sub. We have another 60 series video releasing soon. 💪🏼👍🏼🔧
Facts!!!!
Great video. I own a 12 seven and I’ve had no problems finding parts for it. It’s way cheaper than those are the engines.
I havent had issues finding parts either, maybe its in certain areas of the country. Im from texas...
I got most parts except minor as some fittings for fuel pump or air hose which can be made or retrofitted
Are you guys sure you can find parts. ? I'm about to buy a 60 series century but he says in the video there are no parts from 1998-2003. HELP!!!!
Someone who can recommend a technician
Incredible engine. Has its quirks, but it’s damn reliable and parts are cheap. Got a 99 12.7 in my glider Kenworth. Went from a Cat C15 to this Detroit and could not be happier. Tuned right, this little 12.7 pulls just as good as that 600 horse Cat and it doesn’t blow a head gasket every oil change. The Detroit leaks oil like a faucet though. It certainly marks its territory everywhere it goes, but I’d have nothing else over it. Bless Detroit for building this amazing engine. If you’re in the market for a truck, do not be scared of this engine. Rebuilt my Cat for 25 grand and it was still a money pit. The Detroit costs 14 grand out the door for a full rebuild just like my Cat was done. This engine is cheap, reliable, and pulls like hell if it’s tuned properly. Stay safe drivers!
Where did you get your rebuild done? And was it an in frame or reman long block? Thanks
@@derick12331 It was done by reputable shop in Moorhead MN that me and many friends use. Platinum Cat kit in frame done on it along with new turbos since they were the original ticking time bombs for a brand new engine. Liner protrusion checked and was within 3 thousandths. Right after I got it done, Cat decided all c15s need to get the block decked during a rebuild. It was too late for me. Engine made it 100,000 miles and the engine had to be tore back down. I sold the truck and took a $40,000 loss. I hated that Cat and did what it took to get rid of it. Got a glider with a series 60 that I paid dearly for since it’s E log exempt and I’ve never been happier.
@@PickupsAreNotTrucks what is the shop name in Moorhead?
No
Who did your rebuild ?
Guys get Pittsburgh Power tune and their turbo, it’s a whole new animal with up to 40psi boost and +1mpg fuel bump, no reliability issues in 1,5 years running it
I have a Freightliner glider with a 1996 Detroit 60 12.7. I had a very expensive rebuild, all gears, crank, injectors etc. The rebuild cost more than I paid for the truck but that's not a complaint. I have no complaints. It's a clean and beautiful looking engine. I'm looking forward to putting a lot more miles on this engine in the future. Thank you for the video. I might stop by and see you guys this winter.
It’s a glider of course
I have a 2008 freightliner with a 14 liter serious 60, MAN! That engine is a beast
Thanks for sharing. I will be coving the 14L in our next video, so be sure to subscribe, so you are notified.
Hello guys, I’m actually subscribed to both of you guys maybe one of you can help me out. 2014 cascadia DD15. Rough idle low power no code for it. After getting the truck check over by a friend (no mechanic) we found that my air filter hadn’t been replaced in some time and was completely clogged. (Thanks Speedco) Changed it and truck was a little better but still rough idle and low power. So I took it to the dealer. Thinking maybe I lost an injector or maybe a boost leak. I asked them to fix crank seal leak and a leak on the fuel rail line since I was in the shop. And to replace a nox sensor since I had been riding around with that light and code for a couple years with no issues. They fixed the oil leaks and then replaced the both nox sensors. Test drove and said your good to go. On the very next load I pulled. I still had the rough idle and low power. Now 55 mph derate. Back to the shop. After they broke transmission lines and def lines and made me pay for them. They then replaced metering unit and def dosier. Hey your good to go. Still rough idle and low power the first hill I came to. 5 mph derate and a huge tow bill back to the shop. Where my truck sits after $11,000 later.
Thanks for the video, got a 12.7 pre emmissions and havent had any issues in the past 1 yr owned except the fuel sender eent out but that was a 76$ fix, but these type of videos help me out alot to know what to look for . Thsnks again.
Me watching after my engine just blew at 1.6M miles original engine.
I would take 12.7 problems any day compared to the DD15 problems.
Detroit vs Mercedes
@@pep5772 Detroit all the way
Fun fact the Mercedes 4000 was supposed to replace the 60 but couldn't hold up in the long run.
2000 freightliner century 12.7 470hp Pre Emissions owner here......900k Original miles No rebuild ......new injectors......I wouldn't let my Series 60 go for a brand new DD15 in a Peterbilt........
I'm not even interested in semis nor being a technician for semis. But the videos be entertaining ! Keep up the good work broski !!
2000 freightliner century 12.7 470hp Pre Emissions owner here......900k Original miles No rebuild ......new injectors......I wouldn't let my Series 60 go for a brand new DD15 in a Peterbilt........
I had a 1999 ddec 4. It was my best performing engine.
That's why I'm using it for everything silicone DOWSIL 7091
I called you personally but didn't get the answer I was looking for
Why would companies want to stop manufacturing parts for a very popular engine? On the surface it seems like a poor decision from a business standpoint. A large number of truck operators will want to continue using the Series60 engine.
In South Florida you can find all part you can imagine for that engine.
Government, it’s a way to break the middle class…
Taking money out of their own pockets to put more into their pockets. Everyone who knows diesel engines know that the 12.7 60 series is the best engine for longevity and reliability with oem components. With that said compared to all semi trucks on the road today there aren't many 12.7 being used. If I had to guess I'd say less that 2% of tractor trailers operated in the US has a 12.7 detroit. Most older owner operators run a 12.7, 🐈, or red top cummins while the younger owner operators run a mbe, isx, or dd13/15's. Lowering the 12.7 pot.
@scav, Detriot only rebuilds existing parts for the 60 series. The 60 series does not meet newer EPA standards, so engineers produced engines that would use up-to-date technology. Higher compression and fuel pressure allow for smoother operation and a broader torque curve. Detriot now focuses its manufacturing on late models. Be sure to subscribe for more content. 👍🏼🔧💪🏼
@Brandon, the entire world is working towards green. The USA is one of the less strict nations, unlike the EU. Be sure to subscribe for more videos and when we go live. 👍🏼🔧
N14 Cummins red top best of best
I have 12.7 and it's in a Columbia glider. That engine was NEGLECTED and poorly maintained. Former FedEx ground truck and for those that don't know up here in CT there's this regional manager that's pushing these contractors to run 7 days so maintenance is on the fly for those guys. Plus the contractor was cheap. I'm playing catch-up now and it's in the shop getting the front cover noise checked. Hoping it's the accessory drive not the bull gear.
my 04 century has a 12.7 from 1999. 430hp model, entire new bottom end. took the oil pan off to repair it and could still see honing marks on the sleeves/inside of the block looked like it was a brand new engine. burns no oil, runs solid. 300k after rebuild/freshup
Overall better than new ones
14l 60 series 515hp live my century 06 pre emissions
We also owned a pre-emission 60 series in a century. Excellent engine, the only complaint from the drivers was the ride quality. Thanks for sharing, and be sure to subscribe.
Best engine Detroit ever made
Pre-mission up to 2003. 12.7 or 14L. I will be releasing a video on the 14 liter. Be sure to subscribe so that your notified. 💪🏼🔧👍🏼
Nice videos love d60s and cat, got me a mp8 and it has been a nightmare no boost changed all sensors filterhousing new hoses idk what yo do
El loko, have you run a boost leak test? I would also recommend an air in fuel test. Thanks for watching, and be sure to subscribe to our channel to stay connected. 👍🏼🔧
Fascinating!🙌
Please talk about 14l series 60. I have one
Bro you can buy parts for a 60 series in Miami FL on the convince stores😂 poor mans engine for sure 💪😎
I dind the first like, from Massachusetts i love yours video .
Thanks for watching 👍🏼🔧
very informative.
sounds like i should just get a old 2 stroke detroit diesel
You should franchise and open a shop out here in New Jersey..
Juan, thank you for the support. 💪🏼🔧🚚
Juan, where you at in NJ??
@@kylew657 Essex County, Newark to Carteret area...
Still no mention of the 87-97 12.7 liter
Exactly I have a 96
I’m getting a 93.
@Amsoil, most on-highway trucks are equipped with a DD15, Volvo D13, a Paccar, or Cummins. We do not see many 60 series
@@TATEXPRESSINC they still out there! You might not see it,because, any back yard mechanic can work on them and you know 12.7 it’s a reliable engine. When I go to buy oil filters for mine,at dealership i can’t see one in the shop.
But,I see like 10 Cascadias in line to be fix. Not everyone knows how to work on DD15. I have a 98,and still working fine. With a Rebuilt engine ,and 2 million plus miles on it.
Thanks for the information
We all appreciated!
Great video brother
This is a valuable video.
Let me ask TAT a question. ARE ALL pre emission 12.7 the same? Do they share the same injectors,cam,turbo,pistons,rods etc etc?
I have a n14 red top and is a beast's more powert then Detroit and sound better but Detroit's are so good too sound smoth plus a big plus diesel consumsion is less is like having a 4 cilinder engine in a semi truck another thing off Detroit series 60 they start right away and Cummins take for ever some times
Marcos, we owned a N14 in a FLD. It ran to CA and WI before ELDs. 🚚😄
Egr Detroit 60s had a multitude of software problems in the ECMs also
Meeting EPA standards was a learning curve for all platforms. Thanks for watching. Be sure to subscribe, we have a new video being released.
Awesome video. Thank you.
How about a video of your opinions of the newer engine platforms. Leaving the truck out of the equation. Just which ones are the least problematic. Say 2014 and up which are the ones to have or not have? Thanks. Also where is your shop located? Always looking out for a good shop and where they are.
DD15 gen5 or late model DD15 2017 and up has met EPA standards and still is a reliable and affordable platform. Keep in mind maintenance plays a significant factor
How do you stop a new 12.7 manifold from leaking??
Do y’all rebuild the 12.7 Detroit engine at your shop
Parts are no longer being produced? To what extent? I haven’t been made aware of this!! Sources that parts manufacturing has been stopped for these engines?
Talk about the 12.7 485hp have you worked on a lot of them or seen one some people haven't
My truck has a funny idle before my over haul and new computer it sounded normal had a overhaul new computer and fuel pump put in. It just seems like those three things aren’t acting together they’re acting individually or something
I'm almost bankrupt after my dd15 has spent the past 5 months in 4 different dealership shops with the same aftertreatment electronics problem. I gave up handing my money over to Freightliner for not fixing my truck, so now I'm selling it with the dash code. The only thing worse than this garbage engine is the humanoids behind the dealership service counters. They start getting angry as soon as they realize you're trying to explain that you're having a recurring failure, and most of them have no problem at all shouting over you nonstop just to prevent themselves from hearing what you have to say. They act like it's me who built this truck, not them. So my next truck will be a Cummins. Hopefully I never have to set foot in another Freightliner dealership. Simply awful.
Need more freightliner cascadia information 💯
Hey man got one that run 15 mins. Then stut down and might start back up. Then might not.
Check all electrical connections, batteries, grounds, and power also ensure proper fuel supply.
A customer of our shop has almost 1 million miles on 60 series original engine..
I love 12.7
Thanks for sharing. 14L coming next so be sure to sub
Acabo de cargar hace dos días en la Pepsi y está muy cerca de tu ubicación, muy buen video me gustaria lo hicieras en español
Thanks for the information Adam....are you going live today?
Jason, we did not go live. Schedule for next Sunday...😄☕
@@TATEXPRESSINC Ok Adam thanks.....
The later 12.7s are the ones to get
Sandas, solid engine.
How much you guys charge to change the crank damper and pulley on a 60 series or do i have to call?
i have a 11.1L
not powerrful but realiable
What you thing about 50 series 4 cylinder.I look I looking at one to buy.Thanks
I’ve seen them swapped into rat rods. Very interesting build.
Hey bro can you tell me whats going on?2004 freightliner detroit60/12.7.
vpod for turbo&vpod for egr valve..i changed the actuator on the egr valve..after that when i excelerate i get a split second delay on response..its like after i mash the gas the truck has to think about responding for a split second.then it goes???what did i do wrong?
Do you sell remanufactured 12.7 series 60
Can you talk about 11.1 D 60 SERIES ?
We only have experienced the series 60, but most diesel platforms operate the same.
Bought a Peterbilt truck from California that had 1.6 million on a 12.7 Detroit with an after market DPF filter, did an overhaul removed the DPF filter, truck drives and pulls great but in the morning start it has a blue white smoke for like 10min smells like diesel, it's REALLY bugging me already tried changing the injectors again but still no luck, what could it be?
Tony G, it may be due to the tune over fueling and not completing burning until warmed up.
@@TATEXPRESSINC thanks for the tip 👍
Wait what? No parts on 60 series? Tell me if this is real?
CAT THE KING
Does TAT Express service motorcoaches? (Prevost, MCI, Volvo D13, Detroit DD13 and Series 60 engines, suspension components and other?)
Yes, we do!! Thanks for checking us out. 💪🏼🔧
I can find any parts for 12.7. What is this guy talking about??
Buy a new engine with emissions, so it can break down and they make some $.
thanks friend you don't make videos in Spanish, it would be very convenient for some who don't speak English, thanks again and blessings
Jesus , no way trucks with emissions, be safe and remind buy glider.
Wow can you still buy parts for a 60 series ?
Tony C, most reman parts are low quality
@@TATEXPRESSINC Not true, you guys wants us to drive trucks with emissions so u can make money, smart mechanics thing
The best 2 60 series is the red one with Cummins on it and the yellow one with cat on it ,I've had diesels ince 1973 and I never liked the 60s
well said...
If no leaks ... isn’t Detroit
No leaks are best. Too many leaks will make it challenging to find the source of the oil leak. Thanks for watching
You’re reading a telleprompter
Michael, we don't want to miss any information. 👍🏼 Be sure to sub for our next live🎥
Better to have a deleted egr
Tip of the day: Don't buy a Detroit any series... They are obsolete and have been taken over by Mercedes DD series. This has been a fact since 2015. Detroit got butt hurt when PACCARD bought out Cummins. PACCARD was still in the process deciding which motors to install in OVR tractors, when Detroit Diesel came in and bought all their parts back from PACCARD. This lead to their downfall and why if you own a Kenworth or Pete you cant get parts for a Detroit 60 in any dealer locations. Now the Detroit building in Michigan says Mercedes on it. This is the same power plant that was in the Ford Sterling back in 2000. Unless you go to the manufacture or Freightliner , its impossible to get parts ..and it wont be long til they are fazed out!!
Correction don't get a 5th gen dd series engine or better. Ex: dd13, 15, 16 these are basically MBE's. Just bc parts are no longer produced doesn't mean that parts aren't available.
Dd15🤡🤣🤣🤣🤣👍🇺🇸