What's the best 4X4 dual cab ute for families and towing in 2021 | Auto Expert John Cadogan
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Today's 'unplugged' video is an attempt to get to the bottom of the best 4X4 dual cab ute for towing and families. I'm answering this question:
"Hi mate, loved reading though all your articles. I'm currently looking to get out of my VW Transporter and into a ute. Work has changed and more towing looks to be in my future, as for the need for more than two seats with extra people on the way. Not looking for anything to really go off-road with, I have a 2002 Prado that I go offroad and up the beach with. Realistically looking for a ute with good towing capacity, safety features and a couple interior niceties. Any help would be grand!" - Mark Edmonds
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John, I've been watching your stuff for several years now and I think this was definitely your best! No stupid pontificating about "aluminium shitois" and ... pause ... "down there" etc. Just sensible, rational , straight-forward conversation. Keep it up old chap. Thank you.
Agreed.
Oh he sucks when he’s all in a stupid mood!
In my humbel opinion that was one of your best! It was super informative, balanced, no fluff and no politics. It felt more like a chat with a highly educated and experienced mate than a blog..... thank you !
John I enjoy it so much when you are in this calm, logical and hard to fault state. Much better than the comical ironic approach. I do enjoy both but this angle is more comfortable for me. Keep up the great work!
Was about to say the same. Really enjoiyed this!
Me too.
We got some real world advice on what happens with your new vehicle AFTER you've bought it. Priceless.
Seams that when he’s talking bout Korean cars he is not being so negative…. Sound bought and sold to me
@@jonathanliapis8048 Mitso is not Korean. There is that.
Maybe Korean cars are more reliable and has better after-sale support. There's that.
Maybe John is just pointing out the facts.
Maybe you are just a fan boy.
I love when you infuse a flavour of technicalities (language of engineers) on the subject of forces without sounding like a nerd. I can decipher (me being engineer as well) that you are not BS-ing.
Gotta love the freshly sedated new style of delivery. You're easier to watch in one persona. 😃
John, I think it is important you know how much you resonate with us in these difficult times.
Your views give us the benefits of sound scientific observation, but also balance and commonsense.
Not only that, but the sardonic humour you impart, often leaves me doubled up with laughter.
In light of the recent IPCC report on the current state of climate, trends and a pretty bleak outlook for our near time future, I would really enjoy hearing you impart your thoughts, views and observations, particularly how they will affect all of us 'Petrolheads' !!
I know it will probably be a very divisive debate, but time appears to be running out fast to enact positive directives.
Anyway, many thanks for your channel, one of my absolute favourites !!
👏👏😊😊
Got to say, Im really impressed at how you describe and promote safe working loads with utes, I am in no doubt it has saved lives.
When you talk normally (instead of trying to be funny), you are absolutely brilliant.
This is just my opinion, but if you ditch the smarmy, attempted stand-up comic thing, you are infinitely more watchable.
Like I said, my opinion only. I'm probably in the vast minority.
Otherwise, absolutely love the content. Keep it up. :)
I agree to a certain degree
I agree
I agree with half of that cause I that he is a funny bugger at time and he has got the knack to make me laugh out loud which helps a bloody lot these days.
Nothing funny about the serious issues he is addressing!
Gotta keep ya sense of humour...
I enjoy both. It's take or leave it really.
Best episode ever! Like everyone else's comments, you've delivered a thoroughly professional and rational presentation. The 2 litre turbo Ranger and 10 speed is not ideal. The 3.2 / 6 speed is a tried and proven tow combination. The Triton can be customized and still be far cheaper than the others. Thanks, Frank
The best video yet John, the format is great. In the workshop having an open chat with a mate.
Excellent advice John. You're spot on with the choices, and especially not exceeding 2,5 tons when towing.
Personally I feel like you and ASPW, and don't like towing at all.
Greetings from South Africa 😎👍❤
You did well John; straightforward and no BS. I don't tow and never will, but I'm spreading your gospel re tow weights to friends and relatives.
We bought a Triton and does a great job overall. Been up to the NT and pretty much everything asked of it. Well built solid and cheaper by long shot.
Thoroughly enjoyed the casual format. 👍👍
Ditto!
Toyota 4wd’s praise by JC is a rare treat to watch 😆
Hey John, you didn't mangle anything...in fact best video I have watched from you. Cheers!
This is the review I’ve been waiting for. Thanks John.
Yes your correct john as New Zealand just got a wake up call with the lose of 5 youth in a fatal crash in the south island.
My heart and respect go out to there parents at this time.
15:58 I did not expect a buyer's guide will be this deep and sophisticated, in a very good way of course. Thank you!
Far from being mangled, I believe this is one of your best presentations.
It was lovely to get this calm logical delivery. Hope to get more of those.
This would without doubt be the best video that I’ve seen of you calm rational sensible easy to listen to and very enjoyable
Thanks John, that was a great review😊 I'm thinking about getting a 4x4. I had a 4runner in the 80's. It was fabulous. I had it for many years.
Nailed it with the recommended trailer mass. I have a series 3 navara (sorry - although you are right, it's a bit squishy in the back sometimes). We tow a van that is mostly around that weight (max 2700kg but typically around 2500kg in normal running order), and from a stability perspective, I can't fathom how people tow at GCM. The nav does a good job, not great, but good. we just completed a 7500km trip that included the Ooodnadata track and Merinie loop and it worked well.
6 tonne GCM for Ranger, and you hook up, load up and drive it without any training on the same licence you got when you passed your driving test in your older sister's Holden Barina.
It's gonna end well....
Excellent. I learned something new about the difference between coil springs and leaf springs for variable loads and heavy loads. Thank you.
Nicely done John, you covered it all very well. I have to agree with your choices. The Triton would tick most boxes at the moment, concerned though when they become Nissan.
Best advice on towing ive ever seen !! I've always thought it can't be safe towing anything that weighs more than the weight of the vehicle towing it !!!
Many thanks John for the explanation of leaf springs and load. I knew leaf springs were better for weight but not exactly why. Such a clear explanation. Thanks again.
The catch on that is, if you like 4wding the coils will walk all over leaf rears everyday of the week...
Put shortly, if you only tow 3-4 time a year and don't go to Max weights I'd argue john is being rather misleading here by saying you'll you'll notice the difference between coils and leaves.
I've towed horse floats and boats, both long and short distances on some pretty abhorrent roads, in both coil and leaf sprung vehicles. I'd take the coils hands down, cause for the other 90% of the time when I'm not towing the difference actually is chalk and cheese.
Great clip. Unscripted is good. Very knowledgeable. Just an honest and truthful view of the situation.
Gosh I was prepped ready for another sarcastic episode but found this to be really enjoyable. Hard to argue with your reasoning in this one.
Top vid there Sir.
Telling it as it is.
I bought a 2019 BT in 2019, to me it was best value for money apart from the Triton.
I ran an L200 as a work pick up back in Blighty a few years ago and so I fancied a change.
Keep up the good work.
John this was a good one. Cheers
You hit that correctly John, about Australians will pay 30 grand for a Hilux with 400,000 kms on the odometer. Australians are not the smartest buyers, thank God you are educating them John.
Hahaha I know... its insane isn't it... but I rekon its a "status" thing with young people ..maybe??
That was a very informative video, I've never really thought about the real world towing capabilities of utes. I have just purchased a 2021 Mitsubishi Triton Black Edition 4wd to tow my boat and it made me feel good about my decision that you rate it...thanks!😎
I enjoyed this review and the style of delivery. Could i see more like this please. Your view on electric utes is top of my list. Thanks
You are a breath of fresh air in an environment full of marketing and PR bs. Glad I found this channel, I thought I was the only one out here going insane once I crunched the numbers.
John, you have changed in the last few months for the better too.
I love the new you and your video format :)
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A fantastic “unscripted video”.
Most informative. Factual. Genuine. Effective. Efficient delivery of content. Loved it. Thank you. It helped us make decisions.
Thanks John, great info and things to consider when spending the big bucks.👍
Thank you mate! It was the best as usual. Cheers
Great clip as usual John, respect your black and white approach. As an Amarok 580 owner I 100% concur with your thoughts on safety features lacking and I knowingly purchased it around the same time my only offspring got her own wheels and the second row would hardly ever be used. The Amarok replaced a fully optioned Ranger PX2 Wildtrack which had way more tech, safety features and at least another 3 to 4 inches of rear seat legroom over the Rok but unfortunately I was thrown under the bus from Ford with a lemon 6 speed automatic and other quality control issues that were never rectified. Just wanted to make a positive comment regarding the Amarok's primary safety. The combination of constant AWD (to the detriment of tyre wear), great 4 wheel disc brakes, great suspension that was way ahead when they were released and still ok today, wide track and good steering make it the most car like dynamically. And that V6 engine and 8 speed transmission...
Here in Europe would say...to work and resale value, Hilux. To use it as a car, Amarok. Best of both, the L200, with their Super Select gearbox.
Excellent and balanced approach. really enjoyed listening.
"embrace the best things about the choices you've made"
That's a life moto right there.
Love the new angle John - I saw the Nissan/Mitsubishi marriage coming well before the Isuzu/Mazda one - what a shame that the ill-fated Navara did not morph into a Triton with its brilliant super select AWD (previous owner of 10 Subarus) - and I suspect the Paj Sport is going to Heaven as well - my pre-DPF 2010 Hilux diesel has been a nice surprise in this carnage-ridden industry of late - John in SA
One off your best John. Great review and advice. 👍🏻🙂👌🏻
You’re a legend bro the more I watch you the more I appreciate you
Great review. Had 4x4 drive die last year.
Cut long story short went to dealer large country Town .
Went to Toyota Nothing except LDV Ute Nissan didn't even come out and talk us.
MISUBISHI Dealer who has also Hyundai and Ford .
So we bought a Triton Glx+ only has high and low ratio plus rear difflock ect as per specs of Vehicle.
The ute has done nearly 15k Only Problem inter cooler hose connection cracked so had it replaced.
It is the most car like drive really happy with Purchase.
Great video mate, I’m converting my Gu wagon to a ISB4.5 (300hp and 900nm) plenty for what I need with crazy fuel economy. I was going to chop it to a dual cab but to be honest I like the wagon life especially coming from a coil cab gu Ute which I swapped to a 12v 6bt the kettle was getting on my nerves (TD42TI) it’s a reliable engine with factory specs but it doesn’t have enough grunt from factory and with more fuel and boost + all the supporting mods it started living up to its nick name the “kettle” regarding the conversion granted it doesn’t have all the modern technology like second row airbags parts for the patrol are cheap and really available and parts for the Cummins I can get through Cummins South Pacific just provide them my esn (engine serial number) and they got them all and for towing I will be putting airbags inside the rear coils while I do my air lockers. It ticks all my boxes and for a fraction of the cost of a dmax or a mux, granted I don’t have all the same safety features of the modern Isuz. But I have solid axles and parts are cheap. And on a biased opinion I love my patrols and you love my Cummins motors I work on them daily as I work for kenworth
"on lockdown until the end of the month" such an optimist
Good vid John - I have a 2020 Triton GLX+ and love it it but only the up spec model(s) have the Super-select might pay to mention in the future.
I agree with the guys below..I watch every video you make and the engineering and industry knowledge shines here...little bit of stand up is funny but your true skills are here..probably your best apart from the one on safe cars for young drivers which was gold for parents thinking of buying in your words a shitbox for their kids
That was so very watchable, cool, calm and collected!!
bloody great vid m8 keep them coming!
Seriously great advice John!
Thanks, D-squared.
In a previous life, I bred and towed. The breeding was awesome (wrong partner unfortunately-fixed that), and the towing was kind of OK. Only dragged a 1.5 tonne trailer around Oz behind my 80 series turbo-diesel GXL in 1992. Now, I try to fly and use hotels-or at least that's my hope.
As an update, the resale value of that GXL was awesome. Paid $54K in 1992. Traded it in and got $54K 2 yrs later. I saw that vehicle in a car yard another 2 yrs down the track and they were still asking $54K for it!
Great informative video John, thank you.
Im all busted up that Holden Colorado didnt make the cut !! thanks John, very informative as always ....
Whole heartedly agree that all these utes are light duty vehicles. I always shake my head when people overload them with a canopy, flog it across the Oodnadatta track and it splits the chassis.
Great content as always .
For an unscripted presentation, on detail and clarity it was one of your best
Unscripted maybe but thoroughly enjoyable and great unbiased advice. Thanks for the great video.
very much enjoy your videos john
I have just done the 3 top 4wd Ute decision to order for my first Ute i need a ute to tow and move stuff around when needed
I love Hilux through and through but the wait times are months away and ranger well i tossed between the 3.2l turbo and 2.0l bi turbo but the price was up there so i went triton glxr in grey ordered it this week and they advised me that they wont be made until Dec this year due to covid cases over in Thailand and they are not building ATM
I went for triton value for money, warranty and resale at the end should be still good but i will wait and see
Great video John. Is it just me or is the video like this one much better? I prefer substance from stagings.
Another excellent video John thankyou
Hi John. I have been watching your videos for some years now and while I do like to see the Ming Mongs from time to time your delivery can sometimes be a tad annoying. I thoroughly enjoyed this casual format today. Keep up the good work.
Very well spoken and researched.
Always very informative with a touch of humour
Thanks John for the great info you put out there, you done a Video which helped a lot about the Towing. For us this is all new and great to have someone that gives no bullshit advice, that when you take it in you be a prick to not listen….
We took your advice and will be getting a camper trailer around the 2t later down the track, not the 3.5t we thought previously.
We test drove all the Dual Cab UTS and found the Toyota small in side, my son 12 years old and 6ft was cramp at the back. The Triton & DMax were the ones we narrowed down to due to space. Looking at the DMax with your mob who I called, saying to get a price and lock so we can get one. Been told we will be having a waiting list on vehicles for a while so get in now? Your thoughts
Awesome info mate!
A well rounded and objective review...without all of the usual Auto Expert waffle
So true. Used Hilux are expensive in UK too compared to other models.
Awesome work John…. Thank you.
Awesome vid! Thankyou.
John you're a legend. I want you to talk some sense into my father in-law who has a 2001 land cruiser gxl with 450000kms give or take and now having a number of issues. Trying to talk him into one of these Ute's you've suggested hilux, ranger or triton. My ranger has been doing the job ever since I emailed you for your assistance a few years ago.
Doesn't really matter what he picks as he's more than likely not going to get anything for at least six months and maybe even more than that. Anyone that goes car shopping in todays climate is just being the eternal optimist.
The Triton sold poorly in July
Not sure if that is because of the lack of supply or the fall in popularity. If it is the latter you may find a few around to buy at decent price also compared to the others who aren't discounting much.
Sponsored by Ryobi now? Well done to you and your brand! Keep up the excellent work.
Nice review, thanks.
Yes had a 2017 bt 50 towed a 18ft van 2.3 tonnes no problem what a dream tow machine towing stable as , Sold the bt kept the van traded up to the latest isuzu ute, man what a shock nearly wrote the lot off on the 1st trip. Isuzu floats all over the road is unstable had to severly modify my towing speed and and driving/ technique to survive.
Isuzu is gone 1st chance I get
John, This is the council of the towers of ATAS complaining about you giving them a hard time. The balance of humour and facts is great. Keep up the Awesomeness and MALS. Greetings from SA
Thanks John. Enjoyed the casual format. 😎 One other thing I would add: if you're over 6' tall the Hilux will cripple you over time. Seating position in the Hilux is awful, somewhere between a car and a truck and the worst of both. I bought a 2017 Hilux (wanted one for ages) and sold it after 5,000kms and went for a new Ranger (after trying all the others). Triton was good for tall guys too, but the ride was pretty brutal. Done 17,000kms on my new Ranger and have the 2L twin turbo engine. No gear hunting that I've experienced, but I haven't towed heavy loads (though I have had 500kgs of slide-on camper on the back for 5,000kms + and it handled that great). Anyway, those are my 2 cents as a 6'4" 115kg fella. If I had to do it all again I'd probably still go for the Ranger, though the D-Max might get a second look. Main complaint with the Ranger: NO TELESCOPIC STEERING ADJUSTMENT. I mean, wtf is that? The Everest has one but not the Ranger!?!? 🤬
I second this. My husband is tall and the Hilux (a work ute he had to occasionally drive) was awful for him.
The fat cave is always informative and casual
Talking to a guy a few weeks ago who just had his Ranger company vehicle swapped out for a new Hilux, says he’s had it for only six weeks and he’s almost a cripple, previous injuries and all that.
Can’t speak for the Hilux myself but I have been in the dreaded Nissan and it has great ride comfort (many warranty issues but comfy) and the Ranger is not bad either. Didn’t like the ride in the previous model Triton either, weird legs out front position and ordinary seat just lead to near instant backache. Should add that I have some previous injuries too and yes, I love the Amarok, best cabin space and comfort but yeah it’s a Volkswagen.
The dmax in the previous model has shocking front seats
@@TheTripleDubya Yeah, I wish Toyota would make the Ranger (if that makes sense), then you'd have a comfortable vehicle that would last forever. In the end I chose being comfortable for 200k over misery for 300k. 😊 Being from the States we always used to drool over these little small engine diesels and when I finally got to the Southern Hemisphere and could buy a Hilux I was pumped, but I just can't comfortably cram the old Yank Tank into the Japanese seating position. 😪 I'm hoping the 2023 Hilux has improved and I'll give ol' Toyota another go. In the meantime however my Ranger's a beast. Happy with that guy, and more comfortable than my wife's old 2007 commuter Lexus. You can drive all day and still have energy for hiking/fishing/adventuring. 🤙
LOVE YOUR WORK .STILL LOOKING FOR DINGO PISS CREEK ARR SOME OF LIFE'S PLEASURES KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK
I went the Triton and so should old mate. The current MR Triton is a great bit of kit for a killer price. There are a couple negatives to the package but they are easily worked around.
Same here… it does the business no worries
I love my triton MQ. Sadly, lease is up in a few months and due to my experiences with their servicing depts., I will most probably be looking elsewhere. Not expecting much better from competitors but I sure as hell don't wish to continue to offer loyalty to mediocrity
The cab is too small, that's the biggest problem with them.
No the biggest problem is the short tray
@@xpusostomos and the cab as well. it's pretty tight
thank you 4 the advice.
I've got a dual cab Thailand tractor rated at 3500kg towing. Most I ever really tow is a 1800kg boat and to me even that's on the borderline of "comfortable"
This is your best video
Thank you John, I enjoy your videos especially the scientific ones. I don't tow nor in the market for UTE but all this will add up with general knowledge. Thanks to you I now know about yield points on metals. Keep it up I will keep watching your videos even if some are unrelated to me :)
great analysis - tip top
I owned an MN triton (great 4WD) and towing a 1.8 tonne caravan was problematic. In certain situation. It felt like the caravan was controlling the triton. I currently own a 2018 BT50 towing 2.6 Tonnes and it is like chalk and cheese. Much safer with the BT50
Never tow heavy loads with a Triton.
@@colincameron6263 I tow a 1900kg camper with an MR Triton. It tows better than my 2016 Ford Wildtrak. I don't know how you came to that conclusion
@@markb1639 We have both a New Triton and a new Wildtrack and can say the Ranger is superior in every way however we tow 2.5 ton. The triton is under powered and less stable with heavy loads.
@@colincameron6263 fair enough. That is a lot heavier than the loads I am comparing. Is that the 2.0L 10 speed auto ranger? My ranger is a 3.0L 6 speed manual
@@markb1639 Yip 2.0 10 speed and it is an awesome tow car. Had the 3.2 before it and it was all good as well just not as good.
Good vid John, sounds like pretty good advices to me. I am actually thinking about updating the 2012 Prado & 2013 Hilux, while it is a wait for new, the old is worth more for some stupid reason, so it could be a good time to consider new Toyota’s, yay, and hock the old ones on arrival of new vehicles for a stupid price someone will pay & that should see me out. Cheers
Don’t apologise for the unscripted videos, John. I actually find the pace and tone of these types of vids really enjoyable, and from reading the comments section, it would appear that I’m not on my Pat Malone on this.
Enjoyed that.
Left the hyperbole at dingo piss creek and spoke like a bloke who really knows his stuff.
Yesss
Great video
Great explanation.
Unscripted! But still well crafted messaging. Well..... your raw honesty keeps me coming back.
Love the explanation of accepting the ecosystem of the final vehicle you choose. This really helps my FOMO phobia.
I think you'd be surprised how many votes you would get if you considered representing your local electorate.
Keep up the excellent journalism in your own unique way!
I don't know that any parliament would be ready for John though. But I'm sure question time might be interesting...
@@David_Johnson_ I'd pay to see that! 😆
Nah good video thanks.
Easy to watch and common sense stuff plus a few things I'm sure people didn't know.
Strange talking about "depreciation" atm though.
Any thoughts on the Ineos Grenadier at all, given it seems to be a "proper" 4wd, and how its components stack up.
Just interested to know your thoughts if you have any.
Hilux for the win! Worth the premium over others in the long run. Especially with the new power upgrade.
HILUX
RANGER
TRITON
Thank you for making these videos
At last, a simple explanation, regarding coils and leaf springs on utilities.