Good Morning, I've owned my KIA Niro EV for 9 months. I can get 250 miles/400 km's a charge any day... I'm a big EV fan. When I first purchased my EV I would charge to 100% every night. I am now more relaxed and only charge to either 80 or 90% because I now know that I don't need to panic, range anxiety has completely left... I can never see myself ever going back to anything else as a daily...
Coming up to 5 years of e-Niro ownership here (we got them in France a bit before you did in the UK). After 95,000 km I am seeing no range loss at all, typically 530 km in summer on local journeys, 350 km worst case fast mid winter run from South West France where we live to Frankfurt...when a grandchild is born you just have to go!
Thank you for this. A good team in action as you work well together. Philliipa’s realistic take on EVs is great without being overly evangalistic. I think you could do more together.
Great video! We have wholly embraced the ev as we have 3 of them, the oldest of which is an 8 year old Zoe which my son runs as a daily driver. It has 60k miles on the clock and still has a similar range to when it was new (75-85 miles - it has a small battery) and is perfect for his needs, just need in a top up every couple of night. With a cheap rate overnight tariff, my car (a Skoda enyaq 60) would cost less than £4 to charge fully, giving 200 miles range.
I drive an M5 and a die-hard petrol fan but I am increasingly convinced by electric. Strikes me that PHEV or EV is all about personal needs. Having started with the view that PHEV is the answer, when I consider how few long journeys we take, the EV works 99% of the time. And, as a company car, it works out as decent value for money (in a world where cars seems bonkers expensive to me). Still a lot of compromises in either PHEV or EV but, as the tech and implementation gets better (it’s coming fast), EV looks really good.
Your views are where mine were 4yrs ago with PHEV went EV and love it. I was driving a Maserati so love cars and before a Subaru flat 6. Going EV has been the best, after a few months of missing the sound I find find the driving rewards are even better. Currently in an I-Pace considering going E-tron GT next.
Having now owned both, I can say that I got better miles per gallon from my i40 than my Seat FR PHEV. Also the cost of these electric cars is beyond most peoples pocket. £44K....
PHEVs are often the same price or more than EVs. That sportage is around 43k, a NiroEV 3 is 39k. Can get a Mach E for around the same price as a Kuga PHEV specced to match.
Bought a used Prius PHEV nearly 2 years ago when EVs were still very expensive and with small range/not always fast charge. My daily drive is usually less than 20 miles so the Prius PHEV copes with this most days (20-28 miles per charge though winter is a problem when it's more like 15-20 miles). From time to rime I drive to SW Wales - a desert for charging points when the Hybrid side really comes into its own. Over the whole time I've averaged about 170mpg (total miles/all the petrol I've bought). On EV made I've charged mostly from solar so £0 per mile. On hybrid it's about 67-75mpg so way cheaper than the lovely Honda CRV I traded in. A win all round for my driving needs. In the future - well if used EVs with decent range are available that might be attractive because I've fallen in love with EV driving.
A great team up. Can't agree more with Philippa. I've had an EV for over 3 years and my experience is similar. It fits our needs as a car first but I don't need to worry about remembering to fill it up, check the oil, worry about what else could rattle off of it. Simpler technology at it's core. I drive quite a bit for work and I get on fine, stop about every 2 hrs, charge and have a break myself, check in with work emails etc.
I agree. We are coming up to 5 years of EV ownership here in France, Kia e-Niro 2019 model and the experience has been brilliant. Now at 95,000 km and saving about €2,000 a year on fuel. My solar panels produce enough to cover our annual mileage and we spend about €250-300 a year on public charging. The complexities and costs of an ICE are something I would never consider now.
Phillipa mentioned that the performance is extraordinary. As a proper petrolhead who's now grown a bit more mature dare I say that basic shopping car EVs are actually too quick. Potentially could get less experienced drivers into a whole heap of trouble, not helped by the fact that when they do realise they are potentially in trouble they then have to contend with slowing something down that is 500kgs heavier than a conventional vehicle. If on the other hand EV manufacturers produced intelligent vehicles that sensibly limited the power delivery and speed then maybe they could eke out a little more useful range and/or reduce the weight by having smaller lighter drivetrain components, brake discs battery packs etc. Who after all needs a Kia that is capable of 0-60 in 4 seconds. I find that in a 75bhp VW UP if I drive it at pace I can dart away from traffic lights and round roundabouts and add distance on 90% of other road users. Then when I join a dual-carriageway or motorway I settle down to a sensible speed put my cruise control on and the people who were just dithering two minutes ago go past me at 80mph. I often wonder if they had an incident at speed if they would have the wherewithal to know what to do. So back to my original point do 80% of EVs need to be that quick?
With apologies to the Monkees...'Hey hey we're the Hendys, and we're just Hendying around...' A very enjoyable co-lab', always lovely to see Philippa, and good to get two views on the same cars. More please...
I'd have a PHEV if I lived on a continent or in the British Isles. Over here, though, a BEV is more than enough. I've enjoyed all your collabourations, and this one is quite thought-provoking. Aloha
I have a Kia Niro EV and we just love it. I've calculated it. Saves us about $1,000 for every 10,000 mi we drive. I have now added a 10 kW solar array on my roof to even save more
So it'll take at least 70k miles before the premium is paid off, only then the savings will start. Same with the solar, there's no "saving" money until the panels are paid. Only when the costs are paid for the savings come.
@@135Ops woeful is a bit strong. Contactless payment needs to be standardized on all public charges and the reliability needs to 99.9% across to board. Having been a full EV driver we're not far off.
Pete, the Qashqai e-Power has the full regeneration braking experience. It’s got an e-pedal mode and a B mode that slow the car down significantly when you lift off.
Would have been good to explore the running costs, especially servicing. You have the disadvantage of still having to replace filters and oils, and with little regen no reduction in brake wear that you get with an ev. I guess the vehicle weights are similar too.
Well P P, you keep saying that the plug in ev is the best of both worlds, but to me it’s the worst of both worlds. When running on battery you are dragging around a heavy lump of engine, and conversely when using the engine you have the additional weight of battery and electric motor. As someone who has worked with vehicles most of my working life this feels completely wrong. I have owned an EV since April this year and am very happy with it. It’s the 64kw battery Kona and with easily over 250 miles available I have no range anxiety. Someone made the comment that their phev suits their commuting needs, well an EV would do the same thing more efficiently. An interesting video which asks as many questions as it answers. Many thanks.
How will an EV be more efficient on battery than a PHEV? The larger battery of an EV probably outweighs a small petrol engine. PHEV is as economical as an EV day to day and far more economical on a long run. No need for planned journeys, unnecessary stops, longer journey times and range anxiety.
Good video. I’m with Phillipa on this one. Not necessarily because I’m an ultra environmentalist, simply because a PHEV is too much of a compromise. If you spend most of the time running on electric, then it won’t be that efficient, because you are dragging an engine about at the same time, and vice versa. For me you will be far more efficient with an EV like a model 3, which has good range and which you can refuel around 100 miles of range in around 10 mins from a superb, fast, reliable infrastructure.
My PHEV is more efficient than a BEV for my mostly short journeys. I may be dragging around a petrol engine but that petrol engine is a lot lighter than the rest of the beaters pack I’d have in a full ev. So for my 15 miles or so a day on average a PHEV is actually just fine.
@@DrBlack1987yes but it’s all relative. If you had the same size battery the BEV would be a lot lighter. It would be interesting to know the wh/mile or miles/kw that your PHEV does in EV mode.
2.5 Miles per KW. Nobody would buy an EV with only 30miles range tho so EVs will always have big heavy batteries. My PHEV has fairly old battery tech so not the most efficent. I'm not against EVs at all but the heavy engine arguement just doesnt factor at all.
I am not a huge fan of larger EVs, but for a model 3 size car they make far more sense than a hybrid. My M3 has a just over 1 year efficiency of around 4.5 miles/kwh (including 2 winters in that, would be better if I was taking a summer reading), provides amazing range, is relatively light, performs well, charges quickly and doesn’t ever need to spew out any fumes. Also I’d say that at least 60% of the energy used to power it comes off my solar panels and the rest is from 100% renewable. To me, for most people, EVs are simply the best option now. As battery & charging tech continue to improve, any drawbacks that do exist will become less and less over time.
What a great discussion to have for us peoples who are sitting on the fence with and EV car! Still worried about having the electricity installed into my house (terraced)! Yes the price is impossible!
Interesting video. I spent about 6 months going through all the pros and cons of a BEV before eventually opting for a Kia Niro PHEV as a company car. My car choice was driven by practicality first and foremost, then what I could get with my price band. The Niro EV was over my price limit for the spec I wanted so was immediately a non starter. I could have got a top spec MG4 but wasn't quite ready to make that leap. I also had the usual concerns about the charger network in UK and the very high cost of rapid DC charging and where I would be able to charge an EV if I took to on holiday to Devon Wales etc. Having driven my car for 2 months, mainly in EV mode, it occurres to me that I'd be better off with an EV, as I have now spent the money to have a home charger installed and have a cheap rate tariff. While the PHEV is great with usable range for pottering about at low speed, you lose out on performance without using the ICE. But for the few occasions a year I will travel more than 200ish miles from home, the EV would save me more money, not to mention the lower BIK. I'm pretty certain my next car will be a BEV.
To me a plug in hybrid is only bought for two reasons, 1, to save on tax etc but only ever drive in engine mode. 2. To brag that you're saving the planet while always using the engine
A great debate. The National Grid in the UK would need an additional 100TWh to support full EV adoption (not that that will ever happen). We are going to achieve that target with solar and wind farms apparently.
Then it's kind of strange that we're going to solve that with PHEVs that we drive electric as much as possible (I hear that from every PHEV owner anyway) but which charge much slower and thus put a more structural strain on the grid, and are much more inefficient with power. So much more energy use and a structural constant load on the grid is going to solve the grid problems?
@@paultaylor1820 That energy efficient is quite easy to compare. 1 litre of petrol is about 10 kWh. So a car that needs 6 litres to drive 100 km uses 60 kWh, while an electric car uses on average 20 kWh. This is because an internal combustion engine converts most of the energy into heat (most of which we throw away) and only a limited amount into motion. Added to that, electric energy can be recovered during braking. When it comes to PHEVs, the powertrain is more often less efficient, with Consumption above 20 kWh per 100 because the battery is smaller or has a less efficient composition, along with the fact that often the latest technology is not used for the electric motors, in order to keep the price down.
@elektrischverhaal5166 on pure energy efficiency you win, however, on cost and practicality I win. PHEV's are cheaper to buy, cheaper to run, no unnecessary journey planning, no range anxiety, shorter journey times, the list goes on.
I am still unsure about EVs.... As a petrolhead.... The torque, the low centre of gravity.... The performance overall is a great attraction. As an enviromentalist, the weight is a great concern, the fact that the electric still has to be generated somewhere, and the harvesting of the materials for the battery are a huge concern..... Ah the dilemma.
Electricity grid has never been cleaner and is getting cleaner all the time 👍 Materials for EVs only have to be extracted once & then recycled, oil is single use. Tesla model 3 is lighter than the top spec BMW 3 series.
Listening to your comments, I didn't realise how good my mecedes benz GLA 250e is I have had it for 3 years and it is the best of both worlds, I have just looked at my mpg and over a 3 year period I got 99 mpg and the overall range is well over 300 miles it cost £36900 new. The electric range is still 35 miles. I always keep it fully charged, and as it is in the £180 tax bracket, I will not be changing it any time soon. For the first 8 months, I didn't put any petrol in it as I was only using it locally. As for car prices, manufacturers think we have all suddenly got lots of money, which is my main gripe for not going fully Electric.
Hi Petroped, great video. Would use my money to buy a PHEV but if my employer gives me a BEV, I would take it. BEVs are not practical enough for my driving needs.
I had a plug in for a while until I realised I preferred being on electric only all the time and then got an EV and life is much better plus we really need to stop pollutants being fired into the atmosphere the science seems stark. Also, it was hard work trying to get the most out of an phev using flappy paddles to get most miles using the regen and charging every night cycling the battery over and over. With a pure EV you can charge just once a week or every 2 weeks less cycling of the battery. Plus I no longer waste time buying fuel anymore it's quicker to plug at home. Not saying it's for everyone, better if you have a home charger.
We currently own both an EV and PHEV, having started the EV journey 8 years ago. We tried living with 2 EVs (one short range and another long-range model), but it was stressful with the UK charging infrastructure during day trips. We concluded it can only be stress free and save precious time with either a Tesla or a PHEV, so we went with the latter as we could'nt afford an in warranty Tesla
The presistant problem with buying an EV in the US at least till this day is that many non-Tesla chargers are too slow, broken, and a few available. I have a PHEV for 4 years now, I love it, and I will still buy a PHEV over EV for the next a few years. I can only afford one car, so I need it for long trips too, really don't want to deal with slow or broken stations, and I am not into Tesla's look so I won't be getting a Tesla.
Great video, you guys are cute together, Thanks for great information. I love my EV with no complaints, used a DC charger over the weekend for the first time and everything worked perfectly. Thanks again.. Happy holidays !!
To my way of thinking a PHEV or a BEV only make sense if you can charge at home at least 90% of the time. If you are reliant upon public charging @ 69 pence per kWh, or even more, then they are just too expensive to run compared with a petrol or diesel car. I live in an apartment and cannot charge at home so I would have to use a public charger all of the time. There are a small number of public chargers in the local town, all slow chargers, and the cheapest is 69 pence per kWh, one site is 86 pence. Until public charging prices come down a lot I am staying with petrol simply because the cost per mile is so much cheaper in my circumstances. By the way what are your thoughts on the self-charging hybrids?
My view is that there is no such thing as a self charging hybrid and I am stunned that manufacturers are allowed to peddle that nonsense. They are ICE vehicles with battery assist. They cannot move without burning fossil fuel, so while they may be marginally more fuel efficient than a pure ICE vehicle, they are not remotely as beneficial as either PHEV or BEV.
@@simonm9923 A friend of mine took a plug in Hyundai and the non-plug in version for a long test drive. Around town the plug in was much better on consumption but once out of town and the battery had run out there was not really much to choose between them. In the end it came down to price and she went with the non-plug in as it was £4,000 cheaper and a lot of her typical journeys are over 100 miles.
As a 6 year EV owner and convert I would agree - if you can’t charge at home, then public charging is expensive and inconvenient. If the payback period compared to ICE is reasonable, then I’d pick a hybrid.
Choice of what works for each consumer not forced ,the city the country the climate , change what is best .As if mankind can control what the sun influences we are not in control
Nice video Ped, you did well getting Philippa on with you. It was good to see both sides of the story having considered a PHEV, but deciding the go the full BEV route as it suited our lifestyle almost perfectly. 2 years in and I wouldn't go back to an ICE car.
I have a phev and I wasn't sure if it would be best or worst of both worlds. It's certainly not best of both worlds as you still have all the running costs of ICE cars i.e. servicing, timing belts and ONLY if you can charge overnight is there a cost benefit. If you can charge overnight then majority of journeys are super cheap (about 5x cheaper than petrol) BUT the cost of a PHEV is significantly higher than the equivalent ICE version of the car, I don't think I've saved any money overall with mine.
You Tube is one of the wonders of the world. An ordinary bloke (I mean that in a nice way) with TV royalty and you created some great content. I doubt when you watched Phillipa all those years ago on prime time TV did you ever think you would years later be working together ?
It’s always the cost of on the road electric charging that puts me off using a pure electric vehicle on longer runs. At nearly 90p per kW at a forecourt, compared to 8p at night at home they only really make sense if you can charge only at home. Any more that 50p then you might aswell have an engine and do 50mpg. Great realistic video, keep up the good work
Interested to hear what PHEV drivers do in practice - while you can run on electric the short range means that you have to charge every night. Pre-covid I was doing a 20 mile daily round trip commute and did consider a PHEV with a range of 40miles on battery. But this would mean charging every night. For the past 3.5 years my wife has a BMW i3 and typically she will charge once or twice a week except when on a long run. I'm now planning to replace my diesel Evoque with a BEV. On long journeys with the i3 we have not had problems charging - yes a little planning needed - but then a PHEV needs the discipline of plugging in each night IMHO.
TBH, it's not hard if you charge at home to just stick the charge cable in after a run around town ( also, as a side issue, I'm finding that Intelligent Octopus Go is giving me lots of cheaper energy for the house when I do that!).
I only drive 10 regular miles a day so a 50 mile hybrid would last most of my week. I would actually feel guilty if I were to buy a big battery EV and leave it parked up for 23.5 hours per day. A lot depends on your use case.
I purchased a plugin hybrid and sold it after 6 months. It's a full on ice car carrying a motor and battery which makes it less efficient as a petrol car and a pretty useless slow electric car. Every time the battery ran out of juice after a realistic 30 miles, the noisy engine kicks in and the clunky and noisy mechanicals take over. I now have a full on electric and will never go back to ice. £4.80 to charge up at home which does 240-325 miles depending on speed and temperature. Last service was £56, brake pads and discs are at 90% after 30,000 miles. Insurance is cheaper than my wife's petrol car and currently i pay no tax. Long journeys just aren't an issue. Stopping every 3 to 4 hours for 30 mins to charge just isn't an issue when I need a loo break and food. It's not for everyone, but the majority of people are not petrol heads and most just want a cheap to run and reliable car to do an average of 150 miles a week. Planning a journey is a non issue. I enter the destination into the sat nav and it then adds charging stops along the journey. It's so easy!! Used car prices are now very good indeed and it's finally becoming more accessible than ever to own an EV. My big gripe is for those who don't have a driveway and the availability of super cheap charging. The public chargers can be quite expensive!!!!! This will change, but not soon enough.
Great discussion and you could easily argue in favour of either case depending on your circumstances. But after driving a small EV for two years, I would not return to an ICE car as, like Phillipa, I found visiting a petrol station a complete pain.
Interesting take on these new fangled vehicles Ped . And good to have Philippa fighting her corner,might be an idea to take her up to see Moggie and the chaps at ECC ,Happy Christmas mate.
Enjoyable video. Interestingly, I've just been able to do a back to back comparison of BEV with Petrol versions of the same car? I've been running a BEV XC40 since March 2022 and had to take into the garage for maintenance where they gave me a 73 plate petrol XC40. Not a plug in Hybrid but still enough for me to confirm my thoughts on BEV V Combustion of any kind lol. I get that the plug in Hybrid is great for someone who is worried about range and may do longer journeys but I have to say, if that's the only reason they have, I would go BEV every day as I think the plug in hybrid too much of a compromise. Maybe opposite to what you said of best of both worlds, maybe it's the worst of both worlds, pretty small EV range and smaller than normal petrol range whilst lugging one round when the other is being used! Yes, as you both said there is a small change in thought process required to put a little effort in before journeys but that occurs really easily and quickly. Most of my journeys are well within the normal range but on the few occasions I've done longer journey from North Nottinghamshire to Dover and Portsmouth etc, charging has been pretty easy and coincided with breaks for coffee etc so not really an issue. The plus of the BEV is that compared to it's petrol equivalent, it is so quiet and smooth and a very easy driving experience. Not having to put fuel in since march 2022 and then having to top up twice yesterday to ensure the courtesy car went back with the same amount of fuel was very expensive. I finish up putting in £40 of petrol in which may have been a little generous but the car was saying consumption was going down fast. More videos like this please!!
Great episode Pete with Phillipa Ped on the channel !! 💯💯😂😂 I do love EV's too and also driving them on Long and short distances on a daily basis . I have noticed a huge increase in public charging however , There is still a long way to go 👍👍
we're in the Philippines see, and what we have here is the Nissan Kick "full" EV that has an ICE under the hood, connected to a generator that turns ON when the battery is low, & OFF when the battery is full, all automatically after charging the battery, without needing to stop. The car is only run by the battery & electric motor. Nothing more. This way you don't need charging stations or home charging capability. You just need enough petrol. Of course, you still emit CO2, but very little. This is a tran- sition from petrol to electricity.
I agree that PHEVs are a good gateway to BEVs, I've had a Kuga ST Line PHEV for 2 and a half years and am now waiting delivery of a Mustang Mach E. After having the Kuga for 6 months I was determined to have BEV next. I've done just under 50% of my mileage in the Kuga on all electric. However, it's interesting to see more and more manufacturers pulling PHEV models, whether this is due to component shortage or a drop in demand as more people switch to BEVs is there for debate, but I think they have been short lived and may have had their day.
Hiya, Nice film and both of you put your case to each other. We have a 77kwh Born (In blue Ped, like the one you showed us some time ago) Has a 300mile range and have to say would never go back tovan ice vehicle. Thing not mentioned was the lower service cost and at the moment no road tax!!!
Also… Strange logic that a PHEV with a tiny battery, that you have to charge daily to drive 40 miles, would be better than an all-electric that you have to charge once, to then drive 200-300 miles with. To me, PHEV seems more likely to cause the worst charging anxiety. Doesn't it?
Well said,as in the video these cars are priced the same,but if you owned one of these cars think about the running costs, petrol and service. Evs run on green electricity, more solar and wind added yearly, what will the grid be like in say 10 years 50% or 60% green
Not sure I agree with one of your comments. You can live with a 'granny' charger owning a PHEV but not a BEV. Surely that has more to do with how far you travel than anything else and the type of car you are charging is largely irrelevant. Adding 10kWH to a battery every day will get you your average next day's travel regardless of whether it is BEV or PHEV.
Great video from you both if I could charge an ev at home I would have one bot I can’t and what outside companies are charging to fill up your battery I would have to pay more than my Hybrid
In Australia I regularly do 800km (500 mile) round trips in our EV and a couple of times a year do 1,000+km (600+ miles) road trips. No issues at all with charging. Rest of the time charge at home.
Nicely done guys. Speaking as a Mini Countryman PHEV driver, although it is lovely, great to drive ( and really quick when the EV rear motor steps into co-operation with front ICE engine) there is a real issue that the extra weight robs both motor and engine of efficiency. The motor has a nominal range of 30 miles but in the 3 years I've had it this is really 'best case' city driving and equates to a best efficiency of 3 miles per kWh ( usually in the high '2s'). A full EV Mini does much better than that. Similarly, in petrol mode the car is definitely more thirsty than a full petrol Countryman. So while I love the Mini and the fact that local driving and plugging in gets me through pretty much the whole time, I often jump into my used E-Golf which hardly ever drops below 4 miles per kWh. In early 2024 my Mini lease ends and I will be getting a Niro EV ( just like Philippa) having got the 'gateway drug' out of the way.
This confirms what I was concerned about when I first looked at buying a PHEV 4yrs ago. I bought an EV and had a steep learning curve as I didn't research before had. No regrets best car choice ever.
Brilliant Pedro, another myth busting video of PHEV and EV's. I have the hybrid and yes it is a great segway from traditional ICE cars to full EV. Have to say having Phillipa on the channel was great. A fantastic debate between the two of you and coming together of minds.
Im worried that hybrid batteries will all be kept small 40 miles max in warm weather, we're as full evs the range and changing speeds get better every year,10 years ago the leaf had like 100miles and no where to charge, now 200 250 miles is the norm,can't wait to see what the next 10 years bring,for range and public charges
Thank you, really enjoyed this video. Currently I drive a BMW X3 2.0d mild hybrid, really pleased with its 48mpg over the last 18k miles, and this one goes off load everyday as I’m an agronomist. Now that all said, I’m very interested in ev or plug in hybrid, but as you both said at the end of the film, they’re so expensive when compared to a “normal” car. I’ve done the figures on a number of cars taking everything in to account and I just can’t get the figures to work. Thank you and I take note of the 3 times better for the world figure as I’ve wondered about that for a while. More please on this topic!
Great video although it felt a bit tense in the early stages. I thought you handled the conversation very considerately and quelled the emotive aspects of the discussion. Lifestyle and personal needs remain key to choice between these cars. Recent 500 mile dash to a very poorly parent reminded me why our Macan remains the right choice for us. Perhaps our second car could be an EV and will be checking out the new Mini Countryman in coming weeks. Thanks again for great content 👏
Recent 500 mile dash 😅not many distances of that length you can do in the UK, Plymouth to Edinburgh is about that, also takes about 9 hours without a rest stop, but surely that's ridiculous to do in one go?
I'm more interested in how a hybrid is more efficient than a pure petrol than how it compares to full electric. Surely the fuel used to charge the battery, which is then used to drive the wheels, is the same as the fuel you'd use just to power the wheels? Only you have a battery and motor(s) to carry around adding weight and taking space. At least a PHEV can be plugged in and never use petrol.
Think hybrids are a waste of time, love love love my Tesla, and so cheap to run, done 2 trips to the alps winter and summer and 2 round trips to Menorca, it is so easy, and on my home tariff its £5.60 to fill it up in winter, and it’s kept topped up in summer with my solar
Thanks for this conversation. Very interesting to hear each of your viewpoints on BEVs v. PHEVs from a living with standpoint. Most information and vlogs are more about the overall carbon footprint, electric grid / infrastructure and makeup of the grid (renewables v. fossil fuels) argument. More to think about... But alas, I do still love a good sounding ICE connected to a responsive transmission.
Great video and interesting one at that but I don't think either is the answer, certainly not where I live in Northern Ireland where the infrastructure is very poor to say the least plus there's the extra cost of either option and the one thing that everyone misses including you guys in the video, the cost to insure which is often twice the price of the combustion equivalent. Here's a prime example, the insurance for my 1.6 diesel Renault Kadjar for me as a 48 year old male is £350, for a Hyundai ioniq 5 it's nearly twice that at over £700, which one do you think I'm more likely to go for? Certainly not the EV anyway plus although EVs are presently exempt from road tax as of 2025 they'll pay the standard rate of £180 whereas I'm currently paying £35 for my diesel SUV so whilst I know I may have to go electric at some point it certainly won't be any time soon.
It's funny that you compare the two forms and talk about the thing of "range anxiety", which is becoming less and less of "A thing" as BEV ranges increase, yet you completely ignore "the thing" these days which is battery fires. Now, I know how few BEVs do actually burst into flames, but it IS something that the media habitually lies through its teeth about. All the statistics show that BEVs are far less likely to burst into flames than their ICE equivalents, but the real "Thing" is that hybrids are actually much more likely to burst into flames than even ICEs. Also great to see someone talking about how rarely you do need a public fast charger in real life. I know that presenting a truly unbiased position is always a problem, so kudos to you for doing what you can anyway.
Great video Pete. How small is the fuel tank on that sportage? If you’re getting the same or less combined range with a phev as you would in the bev, wouldn’t you be better off with a bev? If you’re getting 350 to 400 miles then the phev makes sense. That said I got over 530 miles from a single tank with my £2000 Dacia Sandero 😂
Hello Peter! An interesting comparison of thoughts and I feel things are turning inevitably to EV despite the problems. My thinking so far has been PHEV and as one car, I’m still in that thought but my reasons are these…EV..high purchase price and cliff fall depreciation. Charging remains a complex mix of location and luck..Will it be available and will it work? To drive…the weight spoils the ride and is no help for handling delight. Now PHEV driving…the Kuga PHEV was a strange car…overweight and confused as to when the engine fired or not…it seemed to be unable to make its mind up…..so a PHEV needs to be a well developed car technically…it gives the best and worst of both worlds. Ths week, a friend who has many cars..M5, Aston Martin, Lotus, Porsche, Bentley, TVR etc…bought a used BMWi3 for local work…and is thrilled with it! So…is it time to buy a big discount EV like a Taycan or Kia…maybe an Audi E- Tron….??? You work well with Philippa….I have not heard from her in many years! 😃😃😃😃
Jump in a Volvo XC60 T8 Recharge (or a V60) - 455 bhp combined... honestly it's faster acceleration than the Maserati Levante S I sold when I decided to go PHEV
Just to be the Tesla bore in the comments, to get rid of range anxiety get a Tesla. The Supercharger network makes it easy. See PP’s video with the Model Y. Early used Model 3s are selling from £20k. Like any car they’re expensive new but cheaper than they used to be and competitive with cars like BMW and Mercedes. Tesla bore done now. You can move onto the next comment 😊
Currently we have two electric cars. A Renault Clio hybrid & a Volvo SUV PHEV. The Clio averages 60mpg, the Volvo does 30 miles per charge plus 30mpg. Each is used differently, the Clio commutes 60 miles round per day, the Volvo mainly does weekend and longer journeys where we might need to tow. For our lifestyles this works well, the Volvo is showing 135mpg and has used 1/2 a tank of petrol in just under 3 months! Both are great to drive. With the addition of a 7kw Zappi the Renault may be on borrowed time, if the newer model MGs live up to their quoted 280 mile range. But it's not a done deal, not yet...
My thoughts exactly. People that say the dragging battery around comment aren’t thinking. If you do 30 miles a day but have a battery capable of 300 miles you are dragging around 90% of a big battery. Which is probably heavier than a petrol engine.
Great video. I think I have reached a point where I'd just go full EV. Following this video I have concluded that purchasing a hybrid just to address range anxiety makes no sense. Double the problems, two sources or propulsion and the complexity around amalgamating them seems to make little sense. The one argument from the video that really strikes home was made by both of you: 'Wake up every morning with a full charge.' Case closed 😊
Good video comparison. Biggest drawback on full electric , insurance costs , higher than hybrid/ combustion as I found out . Same car ,one electric ,one hybrid, the electric £450 year more expensive on insurance
I don't see PHEVs as the best of both worlds, they're the worst of both. As you say in either mode you're dragging another drive train around which is killing the efficiency for what? An extra 20-30 miles on a leisurely run, let's be charitable and say 50. Just not worth it in my opinion. Petrol is only going to get more expensive (leccy will too, I know) & EV drive trains + batteries are only going to get more efficient. I know it's not for everyone yet and that's fine. But for me it's BEV all the way now. Won't be buying anymore ICE cars.
You're wrong, a large EV battery weighs far more than a small petrol engine. PHEV's are best of both worlds, as economical as an EV on daily journeys and far more economical on long journeys.
I love my rav4 phev. Just charged and it is reading 54 miles of range. I'm retired and usually do less than 100 miles a week, so a twice weekly charge is fine for me. However I tend to top up charge, run down to about 15 to 20 miles then plug in. From the phev's I've viewed on RUclips, I still think the rav4 is the best.
Great video PP - interesting comparisons across the board but the thing I found most interesting was Phillipa's argument against Petrol/diesel cars because they didn't fit her 'disorganised' lifestyle and gave her range anxiety! However - she's very happy to 'organise' her life around the needs of running an EV. Personally I agree with the sentiment that it is very much horses for courses. Living in a very rural area and doing limited miles - I could run my car locally using a PIH and rarely use the normal engine but would then have the flexibility to go on longer journeys when required. It is the infrastructure issues as well as the cost of getting into any new vehicle (ie with the best current range) that would put me off but I will happily adopt EV tech once prices start to come down and the infrastructure improves - yes it is getting better but there is still a big improvement needed - not least - where is all the electricity going to come from? Keep it up mate
UK around 40% of energy is renewables , 1% is coal , but a EV running on a 100% coal fired grid is still cleaner than a fossil fuel car as EV's are that efficient with energy ( around 80-90% efficient ) where as fossil fuel cars waste 70% of energy in heat and noise . Just from a physics perspective EV's just make more sense .
Yeah I found this quite baffling when she said it....couldn't be bothered filling her car up but happy to sit and wait for car to charge. Evangelists same some strange things
It's because filling your car at home is simpler and easier than having to go to petrol station. For the person who forgets or ignores a low fuel in a petrol car. If it's not a problem you have in a petrol car, it's not a problem you will have in an EV either. You haven't changed.
If you are in a rural area and doing regular long trips you probably find diesel better than petrol. No different to choosing a petrol over an EV for the same reason. But most people don't do that.
@@dancooper2072we have two EVs and what she says is right. It takes a few seconds to plug your car in on your drive when you park up for the evening. Unless you are doing a 200+ mile roadtrip, which for most of us is extremely rare, there is no “waiting” as the car charges on your drive while you sleep. This makes EVs far more convenient than petrol/diesel cars most of the time. If you can’t charge on your drive your point is right though. Anyone who can’t charge at home should avoid an EV for now as the public charging infrastructure remains poor and incredibly expensive.
Geely have just released the Zeeka 001 with the 800v Gold battery. It give 830km on one charge. Charging is then around 300km in 15 minutes. Battery technology is now far far better than these 200 to 250 miles limited BEVs. All of the BEVs of 2023 will be so out of date in just a few years.
As you know I have my i-Pace and I love it. The best car I have owned bar none but if and when we swap it out PHEV for us as we need it for 320 mile round trips up North in a day where at present there are no rapid chargers but there are on route but in winter the range is just short off one direction if an urgent trip is called for. Phillipa made a very good case for pure EV that made me think twice that by the time I replace this car technology may have moved far enough for us to stick with a pure EV.
Biggest single problem with modern cars - their cost! It doesn't seem so long ago that we were talking about budget cars costing sub £10,000, a decent family car around £15,000, and exotic, sporty cars being £20,000+ We're now talking about these scales having increased maybe three or four times the original prices, but I'm convinced that peoples earnings haven't increased by the same amount over the same period of time. Makes me wonder just who is buying new cars now? Are they all bought by companies or PCP leasing companies? I've always been a believer in owning my own car, that way there are no constraints like how many miles I'm allowed to do per year, and as such a buyer, I can never see myself owning anything other than an ICE car. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to buy a decent PHEV or EV, but I just don't see myself being able to afford to do so!
2nd hand values have fallen through the floor making a 1 or 2 or 3 year old Ev thankfully extremely affordable. Even higher end EV’s with long range such as model 3’s or Polestar 2’s.
Nice video, l can see scope for some future teamwork. Onto the cars, Phillippa wins 😉PHEV's are pointless, glad you admitted it Pete,l. The comparative points are well made . Both cars have the same range, the PHEV engine does 37mph which is 1980's numbers, and to claim the mpg goes up to 80-90mpg by not using the petrol engine, is insane. PHEV's have increased complexity, more risk of breakdown, higher servicing costs, etc. 250-300 mile range is perfect for 90%+ of all private motorists. BEV all the way, especially if you can charge at home or workplace.
Phillippa Wins Pete. I think it's a 14Kwh battery on the Sportage PHEV with an OnBoard 7.2Kw inverter/charger so minimum charging time would be 2hrs on a fast charger I guess. I have a PHEV Niro and love it but wish it was BEV. The Niro PHEV only has an 3.5Kwh charger onboard so even with a 7kw wall box it will take just over 2hrs to charge the 8kwh (33miles) battery. Also if you drive the PHEV with the heater on in EV mode the engine will come on to provide the heat for the cabin, The PHEV doesn't have a heat pump, it's best to use the heated seats and have the heating off.... until the windscreen fogs up. Great video
I don't think PHEVs are as relevant now as they were a few years ago as BEV range has increased and public charging has improved (although it needs to keep doing so). A downside of a PHEV that wasn't mentioned is you lose the cheap servicing you should get with a BEV, as oil, plugs etc will still need changing regularly.
I had an A Class PHEV for 3 years. Easy to run and 40+ miles of electric power most of the year. Compromise was the smaller boot, but not a major issue 99% of the time. I now have a Tesla Model Y on salary sacrifice via my employer. This is the best way to get an EV and I wish every employer offered a scheme. PHEV is a good stepping stone for those who are worried about going electric but my advice is to go and try one (or several) for yourself.
I think both of these cars are perfect examples of "too expensive" family cars.... £40,000+ is just ridiculous. Citroën E-C3 at just over £20k is far more realistic. I like the idea of convenience of Hybrids but I dislike a couple of facts. (1) They are made on a budget with a cheap battery pack. Which on many models / manufacturers they are having reliability issues. (2) They devalue very quickly and are rapidly becoming "yesterday's technology"
Planning to charge for longer trips is said to be a pain in Kia cars. But having access to a standard AC plug (2 kW to be safe) for ten hours every night leaves you a 30kWh or 80 miles head start (everything -10°C winter worst case) on Saturday when driving 40 miles every day, Monday to Friday.
I have a Sportage HEV. 10,000 miles later I’m averaging 46 mpg, all this without paying the £4000 premium for the PHEV or buying a coffee every 2 hours. Even the dog knows that he has to hold it in until I need to stop for petrol …. Will I buy a EV? One day for sure but it won’t be because it is ‘environmentally sensitive, because it isnt. It will be when I have no choice… or of course I can drive my 1973 Beetle instead and rejoice in the engine note!
Good interesting comparison, but here in north west uk local council have actually removed the only public charging points in 2 carparks . I couldn’t go on a day trip around snowdonia or the Lake District and get home and there seem to be very few charging points in these remote areas I visit . Need another 5 year’s minimum for me. And the problem of vehicle battery failing and replacement means leasing an ev only safe way to run one
I have a Kuga PHEV as a company car. It makes a lot of sense for me due to the Low BIK tax, great fuel consumption, the 2.5L petrol engine puts it into a higher HMRC band for claiming the fuel mileage and it has a range of around 500 miles per tank (I've had it as high as 700 miles with quite a few overnight charges). Even if I were never to plug it in, it will run about 30% of the time on electric, due to regen. And better still, the wheels stay really clean as the actual brakes are hardly used, so they don't make much brake dust.
If you look at the huge amount of energy and water that is required to get the ore out of the ground to make the batteries, along with the terrible conditions for the miners in Africa and South America ..
Good video. We have two EVs and hardly ever use public charging. Day to day we never do but on the few weeks a year that we drive over to the continent we do. Having said that, we tend to wait until France to charge as their infrastructure is now far superior to ours. It wasn’t 5 years ago but it is now as they’ve really invested over there. As ever, the French do infrastructure properly while in the UK we do it half assed.
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Good Morning, I've owned my KIA Niro EV for 9 months. I can get 250 miles/400 km's a charge any day... I'm a big EV fan. When I first purchased my EV I would charge to 100% every night. I am now more relaxed and only charge to either 80 or 90% because I now know that I don't need to panic, range anxiety has completely left... I can never see myself ever going back to anything else as a daily...
Coming up to 5 years of e-Niro ownership here (we got them in France a bit before you did in the UK). After 95,000 km I am seeing no range loss at all, typically 530 km in summer on local journeys, 350 km worst case fast mid winter run from South West France where we live to Frankfurt...when a grandchild is born you just have to go!
Thank you for this. A good team in action as you work well together. Philliipa’s realistic take on EVs is great without being overly evangalistic. I think you could do more together.
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Great video! We have wholly embraced the ev as we have 3 of them, the oldest of which is an 8 year old Zoe which my son runs as a daily driver. It has 60k miles on the clock and still has a similar range to when it was new (75-85 miles - it has a small battery) and is perfect for his needs, just need in a top up every couple of night. With a cheap rate overnight tariff, my car (a Skoda enyaq 60) would cost less than £4 to charge fully, giving 200 miles range.
Wow Ped, excellent video, great to see Phillippa back, your dynamic with her is superb, I think you'd make a brilliant duo together for more videos 👍
Great suggestion!
I drive an M5 and a die-hard petrol fan but I am increasingly convinced by electric.
Strikes me that PHEV or EV is all about personal needs. Having started with the view that PHEV is the answer, when I consider how few long journeys we take, the EV works 99% of the time.
And, as a company car, it works out as decent value for money (in a world where cars seems bonkers expensive to me).
Still a lot of compromises in either PHEV or EV but, as the tech and implementation gets better (it’s coming fast), EV looks really good.
Your views are where mine were 4yrs ago with PHEV went EV and love it. I was driving a Maserati so love cars and before a Subaru flat 6. Going EV has been the best, after a few months of missing the sound I find find the driving rewards are even better. Currently in an I-Pace considering going E-tron GT next.
Having now owned both, I can say that I got better miles per gallon from my i40 than my Seat FR PHEV. Also the cost of these electric cars is beyond most peoples pocket. £44K....
PHEVs are often the same price or more than EVs. That sportage is around 43k, a NiroEV 3 is 39k. Can get a Mach E for around the same price as a Kuga PHEV specced to match.
Bought a used Prius PHEV nearly 2 years ago when EVs were still very expensive and with small range/not always fast charge. My daily drive is usually less than 20 miles so the Prius PHEV copes with this most days (20-28 miles per charge though winter is a problem when it's more like 15-20 miles). From time to rime I drive to SW Wales - a desert for charging points when the Hybrid side really comes into its own. Over the whole time I've averaged about 170mpg (total miles/all the petrol I've bought). On EV made I've charged mostly from solar so £0 per mile. On hybrid it's about 67-75mpg so way cheaper than the lovely Honda CRV I traded in. A win all round for my driving needs. In the future - well if used EVs with decent range are available that might be attractive because I've fallen in love with EV driving.
A great team up. Can't agree more with Philippa. I've had an EV for over 3 years and my experience is similar. It fits our needs as a car first but I don't need to worry about remembering to fill it up, check the oil, worry about what else could rattle off of it.
Simpler technology at it's core. I drive quite a bit for work and I get on fine, stop about every 2 hrs, charge and have a break myself, check in with work emails etc.
I agree. We are coming up to 5 years of EV ownership here in France, Kia e-Niro 2019 model and the experience has been brilliant. Now at 95,000 km and saving about €2,000 a year on fuel. My solar panels produce enough to cover our annual mileage and we spend about €250-300 a year on public charging. The complexities and costs of an ICE are something I would never consider now.
Brilliant production and lovely to see such a natural discussion being held about this topic, so rarely is the case please make more like this
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Phillipa mentioned that the performance is extraordinary. As a proper petrolhead who's now grown a bit more mature dare I say that basic shopping car EVs are actually too quick. Potentially could get less experienced drivers into a whole heap of trouble, not helped by the fact that when they do realise they are potentially in trouble they then have to contend with slowing something down that is 500kgs heavier than a conventional vehicle. If on the other hand EV manufacturers produced intelligent vehicles that sensibly limited the power delivery and speed then maybe they could eke out a little more useful range and/or reduce the weight by having smaller lighter drivetrain components, brake discs battery packs etc. Who after all needs a Kia that is capable of 0-60 in 4 seconds. I find that in a 75bhp VW UP if I drive it at pace I can dart away from traffic lights and round roundabouts and add distance on 90% of other road users. Then when I join a dual-carriageway or motorway I settle down to a sensible speed put my cruise control on and the people who were just dithering two minutes ago go past me at 80mph. I often wonder if they had an incident at speed if they would have the wherewithal to know what to do. So back to my original point do 80% of EVs need to be that quick?
I think that’s the party piece of BEVs to draw in the sceptics and die hard petrol heads. Almost super car acceleration without the running costs
With apologies to the Monkees...'Hey hey we're the Hendys, and we're just Hendying around...' A very enjoyable co-lab', always lovely to see Philippa, and good to get two views on the same cars. More please...
I'd have a PHEV if I lived on a continent or in the British Isles. Over here, though, a BEV is more than enough. I've enjoyed all your collabourations, and this one is quite thought-provoking. Aloha
I have a Kia Niro EV and we just love it. I've calculated it. Saves us about $1,000 for every 10,000 mi we drive. I have now added a 10 kW solar array on my roof to even save more
So it'll take at least 70k miles before the premium is paid off, only then the savings will start.
Same with the solar, there's no "saving" money until the panels are paid.
Only when the costs are paid for the savings come.
Great to see Philippa back on a screen. She completely right about BEVs.
She's absolutely wrong about access to charging, which is still woeful and she's quite obviously just spouting PR from the manufacturers...
@@135Ops woeful is a bit strong. Contactless payment needs to be standardized on all public charges and the reliability needs to 99.9% across to board. Having been a full EV driver we're not far off.
Pete, the Qashqai e-Power has the full regeneration braking experience. It’s got an e-pedal mode and a B mode that slow the car down significantly when you lift off.
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Very fair video putting the points of both sides. One thing I don’t miss from driving ice is the stink of petrol on my hands or shoes after filling up
Would have been good to explore the running costs, especially servicing. You have the disadvantage of still having to replace filters and oils, and with little regen no reduction in brake wear that you get with an ev. I guess the vehicle weights are similar too.
Well P P, you keep saying that the plug in ev is the best of both worlds, but to me it’s the worst of both worlds. When running on battery you are dragging around a heavy lump of engine, and conversely when using the engine you have the additional weight of battery and electric motor. As someone who has worked with vehicles most of my working life this feels completely wrong. I have owned an EV since April this year and am very happy with it. It’s the 64kw battery Kona and with easily over 250 miles available I have no range anxiety. Someone made the comment that their phev suits their commuting needs, well an EV would do the same thing more efficiently. An interesting video which asks as many questions as it answers. Many thanks.
How will an EV be more efficient on battery than a PHEV? The larger battery of an EV probably outweighs a small petrol engine. PHEV is as economical as an EV day to day and far more economical on a long run. No need for planned journeys, unnecessary stops, longer journey times and range anxiety.
If you do 3- miles a day with a range of 300 miles you are ‘dragging’ around 90% of your battery! That’s probably heavier than a petrol engine
Good video. I’m with Phillipa on this one. Not necessarily because I’m an ultra environmentalist, simply because a PHEV is too much of a compromise. If you spend most of the time running on electric, then it won’t be that efficient, because you are dragging an engine about at the same time, and vice versa. For me you will be far more efficient with an EV like a model 3, which has good range and which you can refuel around 100 miles of range in around 10 mins from a superb, fast, reliable infrastructure.
My PHEV is more efficient than a BEV for my mostly short journeys. I may be dragging around a petrol engine but that petrol engine is a lot lighter than the rest of the beaters pack I’d have in a full ev. So for my 15 miles or so a day on average a PHEV is actually just fine.
Model x 2771kg my xc60 PHEV 2660kg
@@DrBlack1987yes but it’s all relative. If you had the same size battery the BEV would be a lot lighter. It would be interesting to know the wh/mile or miles/kw that your PHEV does in EV mode.
2.5 Miles per KW. Nobody would buy an EV with only 30miles range tho so EVs will always have big heavy batteries. My PHEV has fairly old battery tech so not the most efficent. I'm not against EVs at all but the heavy engine arguement just doesnt factor at all.
I am not a huge fan of larger EVs, but for a model 3 size car they make far more sense than a hybrid. My M3 has a just over 1 year efficiency of around 4.5 miles/kwh (including 2 winters in that, would be better if I was taking a summer reading), provides amazing range, is relatively light, performs well, charges quickly and doesn’t ever need to spew out any fumes. Also I’d say that at least 60% of the energy used to power it comes off my solar panels and the rest is from 100% renewable. To me, for most people, EVs are simply the best option now. As battery & charging tech continue to improve, any drawbacks that do exist will become less and less over time.
What a great discussion to have for us peoples who are sitting on the fence with and EV car! Still worried about having the electricity installed into my house (terraced)! Yes the price is impossible!
Interesting video. I spent about 6 months going through all the pros and cons of a BEV before eventually opting for a Kia Niro PHEV as a company car. My car choice was driven by practicality first and foremost, then what I could get with my price band. The Niro EV was over my price limit for the spec I wanted so was immediately a non starter. I could have got a top spec MG4 but wasn't quite ready to make that leap. I also had the usual concerns about the charger network in UK and the very high cost of rapid DC charging and where I would be able to charge an EV if I took to on holiday to Devon Wales etc.
Having driven my car for 2 months, mainly in EV mode, it occurres to me that I'd be better off with an EV, as I have now spent the money to have a home charger installed and have a cheap rate tariff.
While the PHEV is great with usable range for pottering about at low speed, you lose out on performance without using the ICE.
But for the few occasions a year I will travel more than 200ish miles from home, the EV would save me more money, not to mention the lower BIK.
I'm pretty certain my next car will be a BEV.
To me a plug in hybrid is only bought for two reasons, 1, to save on tax etc but only ever drive in engine mode. 2. To brag that you're saving the planet while always using the engine
A great debate. The National Grid in the UK would need an additional 100TWh to support full EV adoption (not that that will ever happen). We are going to achieve that target with solar and wind farms apparently.
Then it's kind of strange that we're going to solve that with PHEVs that we drive electric as much as possible (I hear that from every PHEV owner anyway) but which charge much slower and thus put a more structural strain on the grid, and are much more inefficient with power. So much more energy use and a structural constant load on the grid is going to solve the grid problems?
I disagree with most of what you have written, in particular the bit about being much more inefficient with power, please explain.
@@paultaylor1820 That energy efficient is quite easy to compare. 1 litre of petrol is about 10 kWh. So a car that needs 6 litres to drive 100 km uses 60 kWh, while an electric car uses on average 20 kWh. This is because an internal combustion engine converts most of the energy into heat (most of which we throw away) and only a limited amount into motion. Added to that, electric energy can be recovered during braking.
When it comes to PHEVs, the powertrain is more often less efficient, with Consumption above 20 kWh per 100 because the battery is smaller or has a less efficient composition, along with the fact that often the latest technology is not used for the electric motors, in order to keep the price down.
@elektrischverhaal5166 on pure energy efficiency you win, however, on cost and practicality I win. PHEV's are cheaper to buy, cheaper to run, no unnecessary journey planning, no range anxiety, shorter journey times, the list goes on.
I am still unsure about EVs.... As a petrolhead.... The torque, the low centre of gravity.... The performance overall is a great attraction. As an enviromentalist, the weight is a great concern, the fact that the electric still has to be generated somewhere, and the harvesting of the materials for the battery are a huge concern..... Ah the dilemma.
If you have your own solar set up then it's very green, and extremely cheap to run.
Electricity grid has never been cleaner and is getting cleaner all the time 👍
Materials for EVs only have to be extracted once & then recycled, oil is single use.
Tesla model 3 is lighter than the top spec BMW 3 series.
I respect what you're saying but saying you won't switch from petrol yet because of environmental concern is contradictory.
Listening to your comments, I didn't realise how good my mecedes benz GLA 250e is I have had it for 3 years and it is the best of both worlds, I have just looked at my mpg and over a 3 year period I got 99 mpg and the overall range is well over 300 miles it cost £36900 new. The electric range is still 35 miles. I always keep it fully charged, and as it is in the £180 tax bracket, I will not be changing it any time soon. For the first 8 months, I didn't put any petrol in it as I was only using it locally. As for car prices, manufacturers think we have all suddenly got lots of money, which is my main gripe for not going fully Electric.
Hi Petroped, great video. Would use my money to buy a PHEV but if my employer gives me a BEV, I would take it. BEVs are not practical enough for my driving needs.
Fair enough!
I had a plug in for a while until I realised I preferred being on electric only all the time and then got an EV and life is much better plus we really need to stop pollutants being fired into the atmosphere the science seems stark. Also, it was hard work trying to get the most out of an phev using flappy paddles to get most miles using the regen and charging every night cycling the battery over and over. With a pure EV you can charge just once a week or every 2 weeks less cycling of the battery. Plus I no longer waste time buying fuel anymore it's quicker to plug at home. Not saying it's for everyone, better if you have a home charger.
We currently own both an EV and PHEV, having started the EV journey 8 years ago. We tried living with 2 EVs (one short range and another long-range model), but it was stressful with the UK charging infrastructure during day trips. We concluded it can only be stress free and save precious time with either a Tesla or a PHEV, so we went with the latter as we could'nt afford an in warranty Tesla
I bought my Tesla out of normal warranty at 56k. Its now done 91k 🤷♂️
@chargeheadsuk Out of spec are on their 3rd battery pack
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Totally agree with Phillippa , too expensive and price needs to drop substantially before I consider either format
The presistant problem with buying an EV in the US at least till this day is that many non-Tesla chargers are too slow, broken, and a few available. I have a PHEV for 4 years now, I love it, and I will still buy a PHEV over EV for the next a few years. I can only afford one car, so I need it for long trips too, really don't want to deal with slow or broken stations, and I am not into Tesla's look so I won't be getting a Tesla.
Great point
Hello buddy, you lucky gent, I have a lot of admiration for Philippa. Looking forward to this.
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Great video, you guys are cute together, Thanks for great information. I love my EV with no complaints, used a DC charger over the weekend for the first time and everything worked perfectly. Thanks again.. Happy holidays !!
I love our EV but we often have issues charging when on our longer journeys, still a real barrier in my opinion
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To my way of thinking a PHEV or a BEV only make sense if you can charge at home at least 90% of the time. If you are reliant upon public charging @ 69 pence per kWh, or even more, then they are just too expensive to run compared with a petrol or diesel car. I live in an apartment and cannot charge at home so I would have to use a public charger all of the time. There are a small number of public chargers in the local town, all slow chargers, and the cheapest is 69 pence per kWh, one site is 86 pence. Until public charging prices come down a lot I am staying with petrol simply because the cost per mile is so much cheaper in my circumstances.
By the way what are your thoughts on the self-charging hybrids?
My view is that there is no such thing as a self charging hybrid and I am stunned that manufacturers are allowed to peddle that nonsense. They are ICE vehicles with battery assist. They cannot move without burning fossil fuel, so while they may be marginally more fuel efficient than a pure ICE vehicle, they are not remotely as beneficial as either PHEV or BEV.
@@simonm9923 A friend of mine took a plug in Hyundai and the non-plug in version for a long test drive. Around town the plug in was much better on consumption but once out of town and the battery had run out there was not really much to choose between them. In the end it came down to price and she went with the non-plug in as it was £4,000 cheaper and a lot of her typical journeys are over 100 miles.
As a 6 year EV owner and convert I would agree - if you can’t charge at home, then public charging is expensive and inconvenient. If the payback period compared to ICE is reasonable, then I’d pick a hybrid.
Choice of what works for each consumer not forced ,the city the country the climate , change what is best .As if mankind can control what the sun influences we are not in control
Some great arguments and comparisons shared by you both. Brilliant watch. Loved the drone footage included too.
Not often I get to fly it 😜
Nice video Ped, you did well getting Philippa on with you. It was good to see both sides of the story having considered a PHEV, but deciding the go the full BEV route as it suited our lifestyle almost perfectly. 2 years in and I wouldn't go back to an ICE car.
Glad you enjoyed it
I have a phev and I wasn't sure if it would be best or worst of both worlds. It's certainly not best of both worlds as you still have all the running costs of ICE cars i.e. servicing, timing belts and ONLY if you can charge overnight is there a cost benefit. If you can charge overnight then majority of journeys are super cheap (about 5x cheaper than petrol) BUT the cost of a PHEV is significantly higher than the equivalent ICE version of the car, I don't think I've saved any money overall with mine.
You Tube is one of the wonders of the world. An ordinary bloke (I mean that in a nice way) with TV royalty and you created some great content. I doubt when you watched Phillipa all those years ago on prime time TV did you ever think you would years later be working together ?
Never in a million years 😂
She's still gorgeous ❤
It’s always the cost of on the road electric charging that puts me off using a pure electric vehicle on longer runs. At nearly 90p per kW at a forecourt, compared to 8p at night at home they only really make sense if you can charge only at home. Any more that 50p then you might aswell have an engine and do 50mpg.
Great realistic video, keep up the good work
I agree 👍
If you use an engine braking setting (if you have one) the regenerative braking is enhanced. I have a Lexus CT200h with engine braking available.
Interested to hear what PHEV drivers do in practice - while you can run on electric the short range means that you have to charge every night. Pre-covid I was doing a 20 mile daily round trip commute and did consider a PHEV with a range of 40miles on battery. But this would mean charging every night. For the past 3.5 years my wife has a BMW i3 and typically she will charge once or twice a week except when on a long run. I'm now planning to replace my diesel Evoque with a BEV. On long journeys with the i3 we have not had problems charging - yes a little planning needed - but then a PHEV needs the discipline of plugging in each night IMHO.
TBH, it's not hard if you charge at home to just stick the charge cable in after a run around town ( also, as a side issue, I'm finding that Intelligent Octopus Go is giving me lots of cheaper energy for the house when I do that!).
I only drive 10 regular miles a day so a 50 mile hybrid would last most of my week. I would actually feel guilty if I were to buy a big battery EV and leave it parked up for 23.5 hours per day.
A lot depends on your use case.
I purchased a plugin hybrid and sold it after 6 months. It's a full on ice car carrying a motor and battery which makes it less efficient as a petrol car and a pretty useless slow electric car. Every time the battery ran out of juice after a realistic 30 miles, the noisy engine kicks in and the clunky and noisy mechanicals take over.
I now have a full on electric and will never go back to ice. £4.80 to charge up at home which does 240-325 miles depending on speed and temperature. Last service was £56, brake pads and discs are at 90% after 30,000 miles. Insurance is cheaper than my wife's petrol car and currently i pay no tax.
Long journeys just aren't an issue. Stopping every 3 to 4 hours for 30 mins to charge just isn't an issue when I need a loo break and food.
It's not for everyone, but the majority of people are not petrol heads and most just want a cheap to run and reliable car to do an average of 150 miles a week.
Planning a journey is a non issue. I enter the destination into the sat nav and it then adds charging stops along the journey. It's so easy!!
Used car prices are now very good indeed and it's finally becoming more accessible than ever to own an EV. My big gripe is for those who don't have a driveway and the availability of super cheap charging. The public chargers can be quite expensive!!!!! This will change, but not soon enough.
Great discussion and you could easily argue in favour of either case depending on your circumstances. But after driving a small EV for two years, I would not return to an ICE car as, like Phillipa, I found visiting a petrol station a complete pain.
Interesting take on these new fangled vehicles Ped .
And good to have Philippa fighting her corner,might be an idea to take her up to see Moggie and the chaps at ECC ,Happy Christmas mate.
Enjoyable video.
Interestingly, I've just been able to do a back to back comparison of BEV with Petrol versions of the same car?
I've been running a BEV XC40 since March 2022 and had to take into the garage for maintenance where they gave me a 73 plate petrol XC40. Not a plug in Hybrid but still enough for me to confirm my thoughts on BEV V Combustion of any kind lol.
I get that the plug in Hybrid is great for someone who is worried about range and may do longer journeys but I have to say, if that's the only reason they have, I would go BEV every day as I think the plug in hybrid too much of a compromise. Maybe opposite to what you said of best of both worlds, maybe it's the worst of both worlds, pretty small EV range and smaller than normal petrol range whilst lugging one round when the other is being used!
Yes, as you both said there is a small change in thought process required to put a little effort in before journeys but that occurs really easily and quickly.
Most of my journeys are well within the normal range but on the few occasions I've done longer journey from North Nottinghamshire to Dover and Portsmouth etc, charging has been pretty easy and coincided with breaks for coffee etc so not really an issue.
The plus of the BEV is that compared to it's petrol equivalent, it is so quiet and smooth and a very easy driving experience.
Not having to put fuel in since march 2022 and then having to top up twice yesterday to ensure the courtesy car went back with the same amount of fuel was very expensive. I finish up putting in £40 of petrol in which may have been a little generous but the car was saying consumption was going down fast.
More videos like this please!!
Great episode Pete with Phillipa Ped on the channel !! 💯💯😂😂 I do love EV's too and also driving them on Long and short distances on a daily basis . I have noticed a huge increase in public charging however , There is still a long way to go 👍👍
we're in the Philippines see, and what we have here is the Nissan Kick "full" EV that has an ICE under the hood, connected to
a generator that turns ON when the battery is low, & OFF when the battery is full, all automatically after charging the battery,
without needing to stop. The car is only run by the battery & electric motor. Nothing more. This way you don't need charging
stations or home charging capability. You just need enough petrol. Of course, you still emit CO2, but very little. This is a tran-
sition from petrol to electricity.
I agree that PHEVs are a good gateway to BEVs, I've had a Kuga ST Line PHEV for 2 and a half years and am now waiting delivery of a Mustang Mach E. After having the Kuga for 6 months I was determined to have BEV next. I've done just under 50% of my mileage in the Kuga on all electric.
However, it's interesting to see more and more manufacturers pulling PHEV models, whether this is due to component shortage or a drop in demand as more people switch to BEVs is there for debate, but I think they have been short lived and may have had their day.
Hiya,
Nice film and both of you put your case to each other.
We have a 77kwh Born (In blue Ped, like the one you showed us some time ago) Has a 300mile range and have to say would never go back tovan ice vehicle.
Thing not mentioned was the lower service cost and at the moment no road tax!!!
Also… Strange logic that a PHEV with a tiny battery, that you have to charge daily to drive 40 miles, would be better than an all-electric that you have to charge once, to then drive 200-300 miles with. To me, PHEV seems more likely to cause the worst charging anxiety. Doesn't it?
Well said,as in the video these cars are priced the same,but if you owned one of these cars think about the running costs, petrol and service.
Evs run on green electricity, more solar and wind added yearly, what will the grid be like in say 10 years 50% or 60% green
Not sure I agree with one of your comments. You can live with a 'granny' charger owning a PHEV but not a BEV. Surely that has more to do with how far you travel than anything else and the type of car you are charging is largely irrelevant. Adding 10kWH to a battery every day will get you your average next day's travel regardless of whether it is BEV or PHEV.
Thanks PED for another great video. Always wise to agree with a woman, especially when she is driving. 😊
Always!
Great video from you both if I could charge an ev at home I would have one bot I can’t and what outside companies are charging to fill up your battery I would have to pay more than my Hybrid
In Australia I regularly do 800km (500 mile) round trips in our EV and a couple of times a year do 1,000+km (600+ miles) road trips. No issues at all with charging. Rest of the time charge at home.
Yet people will tell you it can't be done, we have had 100years of petrol vehicles and like 15 years of evs,they will only get better fast cheaper
Nicely done guys. Speaking as a Mini Countryman PHEV driver, although it is lovely, great to drive ( and really quick when the EV rear motor steps into co-operation with front ICE engine) there is a real issue that the extra weight robs both motor and engine of efficiency. The motor has a nominal range of 30 miles but in the 3 years I've had it this is really 'best case' city driving and equates to a best efficiency of 3 miles per kWh ( usually in the high '2s'). A full EV Mini does much better than that. Similarly, in petrol mode the car is definitely more thirsty than a full petrol Countryman. So while I love the Mini and the fact that local driving and plugging in gets me through pretty much the whole time, I often jump into my used E-Golf which hardly ever drops below 4 miles per kWh. In early 2024 my Mini lease ends and I will be getting a Niro EV ( just like Philippa) having got the 'gateway drug' out of the way.
This confirms what I was concerned about when I first looked at buying a PHEV 4yrs ago. I bought an EV and had a steep learning curve as I didn't research before had. No regrets best car choice ever.
You hit the nail Peter, EV’s are not as clean as they try to depict. Great idea, but not as crisp as the government would want.
Brilliant Pedro, another myth busting video of PHEV and EV's. I have the hybrid and yes it is a great segway from traditional ICE cars to full EV. Have to say having Phillipa on the channel was great. A fantastic debate between the two of you and coming together of minds.
Many thanks!
Im worried that hybrid batteries will all be kept small 40 miles max in warm weather, we're as full evs the range and changing speeds get better every year,10 years ago the leaf had like 100miles and no where to charge, now 200 250 miles is the norm,can't wait to see what the next 10 years bring,for range and public charges
Thank you, really enjoyed this video.
Currently I drive a BMW X3 2.0d mild hybrid, really pleased with its 48mpg over the last 18k miles, and this one goes off load everyday as I’m an agronomist.
Now that all said, I’m very interested in ev or plug in hybrid, but as you both said at the end of the film, they’re so expensive when compared to a “normal” car.
I’ve done the figures on a number of cars taking everything in to account and I just can’t get the figures to work.
Thank you and I take note of the 3 times better for the world figure as I’ve wondered about that for a while.
More please on this topic!
Great video although it felt a bit tense in the early stages. I thought you handled the conversation very considerately and quelled the emotive aspects of the discussion. Lifestyle and personal needs remain key to choice between these cars. Recent 500 mile dash to a very poorly parent reminded me why our Macan remains the right choice for us. Perhaps our second car could be an EV and will be checking out the new Mini Countryman in coming weeks. Thanks again for great content 👏
Recent 500 mile dash 😅not many distances of that length you can do in the UK, Plymouth to Edinburgh is about that, also takes about 9 hours without a rest stop, but surely that's ridiculous to do in one go?
Fair enough!
I'm more interested in how a hybrid is more efficient than a pure petrol than how it compares to full electric.
Surely the fuel used to charge the battery, which is then used to drive the wheels, is the same as the fuel you'd use just to power the wheels?
Only you have a battery and motor(s) to carry around adding weight and taking space. At least a PHEV can be plugged in and never use petrol.
Think hybrids are a waste of time, love love love my Tesla, and so cheap to run, done 2 trips to the alps winter and summer and 2 round trips to Menorca, it is so easy, and on my home tariff its £5.60 to fill it up in winter, and it’s kept topped up in summer with my solar
As a owner of a Niro Ev option 4 , and I'm totally in love ❤️
Thanks for this conversation. Very interesting to hear each of your viewpoints on BEVs v. PHEVs from a living with standpoint. Most information and vlogs are more about the overall carbon footprint, electric grid / infrastructure and makeup of the grid (renewables v. fossil fuels) argument. More to think about... But alas, I do still love a good sounding ICE connected to a responsive transmission.
Great video and interesting one at that but I don't think either is the answer, certainly not where I live in Northern Ireland where the infrastructure is very poor to say the least plus there's the extra cost of either option and the one thing that everyone misses including you guys in the video, the cost to insure which is often twice the price of the combustion equivalent. Here's a prime example, the insurance for my 1.6 diesel Renault Kadjar for me as a 48 year old male is £350, for a Hyundai ioniq 5 it's nearly twice that at over £700, which one do you think I'm more likely to go for? Certainly not the EV anyway plus although EVs are presently exempt from road tax as of 2025 they'll pay the standard rate of £180 whereas I'm currently paying £35 for my diesel SUV so whilst I know I may have to go electric at some point it certainly won't be any time soon.
Nice colab video
Shame ev in any form is the wrong direction.
It's funny that you compare the two forms and talk about the thing of "range anxiety", which is becoming less and less of "A thing" as BEV ranges increase, yet you completely ignore "the thing" these days which is battery fires.
Now, I know how few BEVs do actually burst into flames, but it IS something that the media habitually lies through its teeth about. All the statistics show that BEVs are far less likely to burst into flames than their ICE equivalents, but the real "Thing" is that hybrids are actually much more likely to burst into flames than even ICEs.
Also great to see someone talking about how rarely you do need a public fast charger in real life.
I know that presenting a truly unbiased position is always a problem, so kudos to you for doing what you can anyway.
Great video Pete.
How small is the fuel tank on that sportage? If you’re getting the same or less combined range with a phev as you would in the bev, wouldn’t you be better off with a bev? If you’re getting 350 to 400 miles then the phev makes sense.
That said I got over 530 miles from a single tank with my £2000 Dacia Sandero 😂
Hello Peter! An interesting comparison of thoughts and I feel things are turning inevitably to EV despite the problems. My thinking so far has been PHEV and as one car, I’m still in that thought but my reasons are these…EV..high purchase price and cliff fall depreciation. Charging remains a complex mix of location and luck..Will it be available and will it work? To drive…the weight spoils the ride and is no help for handling delight. Now PHEV driving…the Kuga PHEV was a strange car…overweight and confused as to when the engine fired or not…it seemed to be unable to make its mind up…..so a PHEV needs to be a well developed car technically…it gives the best and worst of both worlds. Ths week, a friend who has many cars..M5, Aston Martin, Lotus, Porsche, Bentley, TVR etc…bought a used BMWi3 for local work…and is thrilled with it! So…is it time to buy a big discount EV like a Taycan or Kia…maybe an Audi E- Tron….??? You work well with Philippa….I have not heard from her in many years! 😃😃😃😃
Jump in a Volvo XC60 T8 Recharge (or a V60) - 455 bhp combined... honestly it's faster acceleration than the Maserati Levante S I sold when I decided to go PHEV
Just to be the Tesla bore in the comments, to get rid of range anxiety get a Tesla. The Supercharger network makes it easy. See PP’s video with the Model Y.
Early used Model 3s are selling from £20k. Like any car they’re expensive new but cheaper than they used to be and competitive with cars like BMW and Mercedes.
Tesla bore done now. You can move onto the next comment 😊
Currently we have two electric cars. A Renault Clio hybrid & a Volvo SUV PHEV. The Clio averages 60mpg, the Volvo does 30 miles per charge plus 30mpg. Each is used differently, the Clio commutes 60 miles round per day, the Volvo mainly does weekend and longer journeys where we might need to tow. For our lifestyles this works well, the Volvo is showing 135mpg and has used 1/2 a tank of petrol in just under 3 months! Both are great to drive. With the addition of a 7kw Zappi the Renault may be on borrowed time, if the newer model MGs live up to their quoted 280 mile range. But it's not a done deal, not yet...
The dragging a petrol engine isn't true, as a bigger bev battery means it is as heavy or heavier than the phev.
My thoughts exactly. People that say the dragging battery around comment aren’t thinking. If you do 30 miles a day but have a battery capable of 300 miles you are dragging around 90% of a big battery. Which is probably heavier than a petrol engine.
Great video. I think I have reached a point where I'd just go full EV. Following this video I have concluded that purchasing a hybrid just to address range anxiety makes no sense. Double the problems, two sources or propulsion and the complexity around amalgamating them seems to make little sense.
The one argument from the video that really strikes home was made by both of you: 'Wake up every morning with a full charge.' Case closed 😊
"Second hand values have come down" .... Major understatement!! They're plummeting, and so are sales
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Good video comparison. Biggest drawback on full electric , insurance costs , higher than hybrid/ combustion as I found out . Same car ,one electric ,one hybrid, the electric £450 year more expensive on insurance
I don't see PHEVs as the best of both worlds, they're the worst of both. As you say in either mode you're dragging another drive train around which is killing the efficiency for what? An extra 20-30 miles on a leisurely run, let's be charitable and say 50. Just not worth it in my opinion.
Petrol is only going to get more expensive (leccy will too, I know) & EV drive trains + batteries are only going to get more efficient.
I know it's not for everyone yet and that's fine. But for me it's BEV all the way now. Won't be buying anymore ICE cars.
You're wrong, a large EV battery weighs far more than a small petrol engine. PHEV's are best of both worlds, as economical as an EV on daily journeys and far more economical on long journeys.
People forget that if they have an ev with 300 mile range but only do 30 miles they’ve had to ‘drag’ around 90% of a heavy battery for no reason.
I love my rav4 phev. Just charged and it is reading 54 miles of range. I'm retired and usually do less than 100 miles a week, so a twice weekly charge is fine for me. However I tend to top up charge, run down to about 15 to 20 miles then plug in. From the phev's I've viewed on RUclips, I still think the rav4 is the best.
Great video PP - interesting comparisons across the board but the thing I found most interesting was Phillipa's argument against Petrol/diesel cars because they didn't fit her 'disorganised' lifestyle and gave her range anxiety! However - she's very happy to 'organise' her life around the needs of running an EV. Personally I agree with the sentiment that it is very much horses for courses. Living in a very rural area and doing limited miles - I could run my car locally using a PIH and rarely use the normal engine but would then have the flexibility to go on longer journeys when required. It is the infrastructure issues as well as the cost of getting into any new vehicle (ie with the best current range) that would put me off but I will happily adopt EV tech once prices start to come down and the infrastructure improves - yes it is getting better but there is still a big improvement needed - not least - where is all the electricity going to come from? Keep it up mate
UK around 40% of energy is renewables , 1% is coal , but a EV running on a 100% coal fired grid is still cleaner than a fossil fuel car as EV's are that efficient with energy ( around 80-90% efficient ) where as fossil fuel cars waste 70% of energy in heat and noise .
Just from a physics perspective EV's just make more sense .
Yeah I found this quite baffling when she said it....couldn't be bothered filling her car up but happy to sit and wait for car to charge. Evangelists same some strange things
It's because filling your car at home is simpler and easier than having to go to petrol station. For the person who forgets or ignores a low fuel in a petrol car.
If it's not a problem you have in a petrol car, it's not a problem you will have in an EV either. You haven't changed.
If you are in a rural area and doing regular long trips you probably find diesel better than petrol. No different to choosing a petrol over an EV for the same reason. But most people don't do that.
@@dancooper2072we have two EVs and what she says is right. It takes a few seconds to plug your car in on your drive when you park up for the evening. Unless you are doing a 200+ mile roadtrip, which for most of us is extremely rare, there is no “waiting” as the car charges on your drive while you sleep. This makes EVs far more convenient than petrol/diesel cars most of the time. If you can’t charge on your drive your point is right though. Anyone who can’t charge at home should avoid an EV for now as the public charging infrastructure remains poor and incredibly expensive.
Geely have just released the Zeeka 001 with the 800v Gold battery. It give 830km on one charge. Charging is then around 300km in 15 minutes. Battery technology is now far far better than these 200 to 250 miles limited BEVs. All of the BEVs of 2023 will be so out of date in just a few years.
Great video. Honest and real.
I appreciate that!
As you know I have my i-Pace and I love it. The best car I have owned bar none but if and when we swap it out PHEV for us as we need it for 320 mile round trips up North in a day where at present there are no rapid chargers but there are on route but in winter the range is just short off one direction if an urgent trip is called for. Phillipa made a very good case for pure EV that made me think twice that by the time I replace this car technology may have moved far enough for us to stick with a pure EV.
Biggest single problem with modern cars - their cost!
It doesn't seem so long ago that we were talking about budget cars costing sub £10,000, a decent family car around £15,000, and exotic, sporty cars being £20,000+
We're now talking about these scales having increased maybe three or four times the original prices, but I'm convinced that peoples earnings haven't increased by the same amount over the same period of time.
Makes me wonder just who is buying new cars now? Are they all bought by companies or PCP leasing companies?
I've always been a believer in owning my own car, that way there are no constraints like how many miles I'm allowed to do per year, and as such a buyer, I can never see myself owning anything other than an ICE car.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to buy a decent PHEV or EV, but I just don't see myself being able to afford to do so!
I’ve got the original and best PHEV that started it all, the 2023 Mitsubishi Outlander, love it!
Awesome both of you
Thank you so much 😀
2nd hand values have fallen through the floor making a 1 or 2 or 3 year old Ev thankfully extremely affordable. Even higher end EV’s with long range such as model 3’s or Polestar 2’s.
Nice video, l can see scope for some future teamwork. Onto the cars, Phillippa wins 😉PHEV's are pointless, glad you admitted it Pete,l. The comparative points are well made . Both cars have the same range, the PHEV engine does 37mph which is 1980's numbers, and to claim the mpg goes up to 80-90mpg by not using the petrol engine, is insane. PHEV's have increased complexity, more risk of breakdown, higher servicing costs, etc.
250-300 mile range is perfect for 90%+ of all private motorists.
BEV all the way, especially if you can charge at home or workplace.
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Phillippa Wins Pete. I think it's a 14Kwh battery on the Sportage PHEV with an OnBoard 7.2Kw inverter/charger so minimum charging time would be 2hrs on a fast charger I guess. I have a PHEV Niro and love it but wish it was BEV. The Niro PHEV only has an 3.5Kwh charger onboard so even with a 7kw wall box it will take just over 2hrs to charge the 8kwh (33miles) battery.
Also if you drive the PHEV with the heater on in EV mode the engine will come on to provide the heat for the cabin, The PHEV doesn't have a heat pump, it's best to use the heated seats and have the heating off.... until the windscreen fogs up.
Great video
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Philippa Forrester is a goddess !!
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I don't think PHEVs are as relevant now as they were a few years ago as BEV range has increased and public charging has improved (although it needs to keep doing so). A downside of a PHEV that wasn't mentioned is you lose the cheap servicing you should get with a BEV, as oil, plugs etc will still need changing regularly.
I had an A Class PHEV for 3 years. Easy to run and 40+ miles of electric power most of the year. Compromise was the smaller boot, but not a major issue 99% of the time. I now have a Tesla Model Y on salary sacrifice via my employer. This is the best way to get an EV and I wish every employer offered a scheme. PHEV is a good stepping stone for those who are worried about going electric but my advice is to go and try one (or several) for yourself.
I think both of these cars are perfect examples of "too expensive" family cars.... £40,000+ is just ridiculous. Citroën E-C3 at just over £20k is far more realistic. I like the idea of convenience of Hybrids but I dislike a couple of facts. (1) They are made on a budget with a cheap battery pack. Which on many models / manufacturers they are having reliability issues. (2) They devalue very quickly and are rapidly becoming "yesterday's technology"
Planning to charge for longer trips is said to be a pain in Kia cars.
But having access to a standard AC plug (2 kW to be safe) for ten hours every night leaves you a 30kWh or 80 miles head start (everything -10°C winter worst case) on Saturday when driving 40 miles every day, Monday to Friday.
I have a Sportage HEV. 10,000 miles later I’m averaging 46 mpg, all this without paying the £4000 premium for the PHEV or buying a coffee every 2 hours. Even the dog knows that he has to hold it in until I need to stop for petrol …. Will I buy a EV? One day for sure but it won’t be because it is ‘environmentally sensitive, because it isnt. It will be when I have no choice… or of course I can drive my 1973 Beetle instead and rejoice in the engine note!
2hrs driving is only 100 to 120 miles? More like 4 to 5 hrs driving before a 30 minute stop.
Good interesting comparison, but here in north west uk local council have actually removed the only public charging points in 2 carparks . I couldn’t go on a day trip around snowdonia or the Lake District and get home and there seem to be very few charging points in these remote areas I visit . Need another 5 year’s minimum for me. And the problem of vehicle battery failing and replacement means leasing an ev only safe way to run one
Sold my ipace (wonderful car) because of ALL the stress with public chargers. And now have a BMW plug in hybrid. No stress.
I have a Kuga PHEV as a company car. It makes a lot of sense for me due to the Low BIK tax, great fuel consumption, the 2.5L petrol engine puts it into a higher HMRC band for claiming the fuel mileage and it has a range of around 500 miles per tank (I've had it as high as 700 miles with quite a few overnight charges). Even if I were never to plug it in, it will run about 30% of the time on electric, due to regen. And better still, the wheels stay really clean as the actual brakes are hardly used, so they don't make much brake dust.
What a great vid, where did Philippa come from, one of my favourets. This is how comparsons should be dome. Amazing. Still not 100% EV though
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If you look at the huge amount of energy and water that is required to get the ore out of the ground to make the batteries, along with the terrible conditions for the miners in Africa and South America ..
Because with oil extraction, there is nothing wrong with it? #dontlookup 🙄
Good video. We have two EVs and hardly ever use public charging. Day to day we never do but on the few weeks a year that we drive over to the continent we do. Having said that, we tend to wait until France to charge as their infrastructure is now far superior to ours. It wasn’t 5 years ago but it is now as they’ve really invested over there. As ever, the French do infrastructure properly while in the UK we do it half assed.