PHEV or EV, which works best for our family car? Range Rover PHEV vs BMW X5 50e vs Porsche Taycan
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- PHEV or BEV, which works best as our family car? After covering 32,000 miles in our PHEV Range Rover, do I replace it with another, or go for the BMW X5 50e, or maybe go all electric with the Porsche Taycan Cross Turismo.
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Not enough motoring RUclipsrs do this kind of dispassionate, long term and real-world review. Mainly because very few of them have thirty or forty years of personal experience to inform their reviews, nor can they be objective because they're often dependent on manufacturer relationships. Harry - just once again a simple 'thank you' for being the objective, considered voice of review on these new vehicles. Great piece.
Everybody appreciates Harry for this, because you just summarized why Harry is on his own in the RUclips-world
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indeed, and live the screen in the BMW, which looks exactly like the Ioniq 5, but hate the grill.
This is because Harry is (in addition to a farmer) a motoring journalist / editor by trade, who just happens to be using RUclips; it’s just a platform that serves him 👏
seems a slight apples to oranges comparison? There are elements of the taycan like space that might mean your family uses it differently so the tests might bias towards you taking it on longer trips? An iX or any of the many SUVs may have been a better comparison.
Harry would have made a great school teacher. His analysis is always clear, comprehensive and very engaging. Well done young Metcalf!
I've had a school teacher who talked the way he talked. He was a historics teacher
Either Latin or D&T for me !
If i'd had school teachers as engaging as Harry, I would have listened, and likely gone further in life. Sadly my teachers back in the 80's spent more time trying to appear cool in front of the students. I had no respect for the idiots.
@@user-ow9xg9vq5x he also teached latin the teacher i talked about 👍
@@GenaFSuch a shame you had that attitude.
I do love your deep dives, your analyzing, your expriences. Please never go away from this, you are the ONLY YT content maker having a critical but hopeful take on the PHEV and EV market. Thank you, Harry!
Great video. Surely the future isn't batting around in 100k plus 3 tonne cars and swapping them every two years. That's madness.
Saves the planet though. Honest gov.
Harry is the best at going through the Pros and Cons of Phev & EV.
He really gets it, so we get it. Great video
Always great insights on these videos about the new world of EV Harry. I’m with you that if I had to change my Diesel RR then PHEV would still be the choice at present & especially as the All EV date has pushed back. We could charge at home so all good for most of our motoring but the PHEV is the best option when we travel for the reasons you outline! Thanks for making these videos & sharing insights from real world from someone we trust! 👍
Its this kind of detail that keeps me coming back to watch your content as soon as its released. As others have said so few are if any do what you do with all the facts and figures. Thank you.
Fascinating video Harry. I have been watching videos on EVs and PHEVs for 5 years and you are the first to point out the additional units of electricity it takes to charge the batteries. Excellent insight as always. Thank you.
Not to mention the electricity needed to pump the petrol into your petrol tank.
A few considerations for you Harry; the LCI X5 has adopted the new BMW design language, and now the standard xLine trim has a much less disturbing front end (in my opinion) and still looks stately. I also recommend the Volvo XC60 T8 plug-in hybrid, 40+ miles of EV range that is very useable, extremely comfortable wool blend seats, looks classy, and has a fantastic B&W sound system, if that vehicle works size wise for you it would be by far the most inexpensive option, and a good one at that.
Volvo are 100% owned by Geely, and Geely are owned by a Chinese CCP party member - don't give them your money, you are just supporting human rights atrocities. Also most RHD Volvos are built in China now, so you're paying European prices for Chinese car.
As an owner, I can also very highly recommend the XC60 T8, owned one for nearly 4 years now, zero issues, comfortable, great mileage, fits family and all gear.
Volvo 🤮, slowest cars on the road. allways 10 under the speedlimit. and people call bmw uglly, but volvo is in a diffrent leauge. + it's chinese. bleeeh
@@Iceeeen that feels like a very lazy 2am-and-I-can't-sleep-yet trolling attempt.
Agree, my dad runs one. Very fast car, 400+ hp. Air suspension is extremely comfortable, and the Inscription variant has all the options you'd want (heated and cooled seats, pano-roof, B&W sound etc). And it should have a serious towing capacity.
Thanks Harry, common sense as always. I ran a BMW 530e for ages and loved the combination of electric mileage for the commute and the confidence of having the petrol engine as backup. I averaged 75mpg in my ownership. Now running a BMW 840i and think I will go back to PHEV when I next come to swap. I have tried BMW’s i4, i5 and i7 and they are fantastic but I agree with your analysis that the tech is still evolving and I know that PHEV suits my driving needs. keep up the good work - absolutely love your style of journalism and drool every time I see inside your garage!!
Bonjour harry. I ve been watching you from france for many many years. Thank you for your in depth analysis and your everlasting 'enthousiasme'.
Thank you for this very useful information! You're doing a real public service to provide this analysis.The only way that I can think of to lose the 10% inverter thermal loss is to have PV panels with a DC output (and storage). If one has AC output and then needs to convert back to DC for charging the loss will be doubled!
Great video, and I can see why you have decided the way you have, and that's fair enough.
Similarly, my Wife's last car was a Diesel, because back then there were no 4WD EV's that were in our price bracket, - but this time, she has finally gone full EV with a used Merc EQC, which is an absolutely fabulous car, and she loves it !
And not only is it nice to step out to a fully charged Car each morning, but it is ALSO nice never to have to fill-up at a garage again ! 😁
Great vid as always, huge fan of the channel. Couple of things, as an EV user. If you're overnighting, you just need to not arrive with low battery. I went for two nights in a cottage last week and although I'd easily have made the 120 miles there, I know I probably wouldn't quite make the 240 there and back, so I did a quick 20 min boost about 30-40 miles from it and arrived there with 80%. Then just drove home when we left. Also, no mentioning of the fortune to be saved for company car drivers, as mine is. I'm nearly £400 better off each month in tax, which is, for me, worth the inconvenience on a long journey! 😂.
ABC - Always be charging.
Harry did mention the tax benefits
And the need to be always thinking @@gordonsimpson3235
My kind of analysis Harry, in depth, lots of accurate data, and a sensible conclusion. Really enjoyed watching this one, should help a lot of people to understand BeV versus PHEV. 💯🇬🇧😎
Wonderful analysis Harry. I am not even in the market for a phev or electric, or have a family, or live in UK but I still watch and enjoy, and listen to your intelligence
Most Australians do not agree with Harry’s analysis and conclusions.
In Australia at least, a Tesla Model Y has long been considered an everyday car for the masses. This is especially so considering the Model Y’s AUD $65,400 purchase price which is comparable to the Toyota Hilux and Ford Ranger utes, the top 2 selling cars, which easily retails for the same price. The Model Y is the number 3 selling car, and the top selling passenger car, for September 2023.
Moreover, when the total cost of ownership is considered, whereby a massive $40,000 is saved from avoided petrol and engine maintenance costs over 20 years, the overwhelming economic case of owning is EV is irrefutable.
By 2026, petrol and diesel cars will become totally obsolete and pointless, due to high fuel and engine maintenance costs, the inconveniences of fueling and visiting a workshop and carbon and noxious gas emissions.
As usual I agree with you Harry, we have an Electric Zoe and it’s brilliant we do 90% of our journeys in it as we can charge at home. We have a petrol car for longer journeys.
What I’ve found is yes the network isn’t there just yet, it requires a lot more public chargers with contactless payment (it needs to be quick and easy) this has also been mandated by HMG so this should get better.
The big issue with EVs isn’t really range, it’s charging speeds. Once you get to real world 300 mile range in an EV the only thing holding it back is availability of chargers and how quickly they can deliver that charge and how quickly your car can take that charge. Once those two things are taken care of you don’t need a 600 mile range EV. If you can find a charger that can fill from 20% to 80% in 15 minutes on a 300+ mile range EV it will compete with ICE. IMHO we are probably another 3 to 5 years from that.
60% of 300 mile range is 180 miles. Stopping every 180 miles to recharge for 20 mins is not competitive.
@@rjbiker66I probably stop about that often in my diesel car, even though it could go 500 miles on a tank. Especially if there's others in the car who also need to stretch their legs and use the facilities.
Lesser known highway code guideline is to take a 15-min break every 2 hours as well 😉
@@rjbiker66 That's every 2.5 to 3 hours, no? A 20 minute break is highly recommended at that point.
I have been driving down Route Napoléon TODAY in a my PHEV BMW 530e.
Cannot complain.
My thoughts when buying the car last year were exactly what you mentioned. Most shopping is within a 10-20 mls range, and long trips are convenient on petrol (and the extra boost from the electric engine is a nice touch).
Regarding Route Napoléon, I took the routimg you suggested in your Countach video, really great scenery.
Keep up the good work 👌
Just think how much more fun it would have been in a light agile car.
@@davidmatthews3093 sure, but I transported me & my family to south of France for holidays, there is no real "light and agile" option for this use case. Also, I own one car for all purposes, not 10 different cars for 10 different occasions. I can tell you that for a large comfy (and extremely economical) estate car, the handling as well as the performances are very good.
I must say that from a day-to-day ownership perspective, you have made some excellent points that most EV or PHEV reviews do not touch upon. Outstanding video, Mate! Very comprehensive and fair too.
Very interesting and same here I have a Hybrid Porsche as I dont want the anxiety of needing to charge when away on long journeys but also the inconvenience of time taking to charge a full electric.
Got an X50e in April, partly on the recommendation of your 45e video. 4000 faultless miles, and mostly on electric. It also handles very well in Sport for such a big car - it’s actually fun to drive. The self drive is very effective, makes heavy traffic on motorways much less tiring.
Unless you need a full blown off reader, it’s a great car.
Hi And thanks in advance I just wanted to ask one question I have a x5 50e on order just curious to know when you run out of Battery power what is it like when overtake a car or lorry What is the power like Or does it keep some battery power in reserve for such moves?
And I suppose, when you’re sitting inside, at least you don’t have to look at it!! 😮😂
@@baz4240pro I believe it keeps some in reserve for this. There is no point at which I’ve thought it was slow.
@@TIWNA851 Yep! I do prefer the look of the RR from the outside. But my friend who has had an X45e for over a year now, says he likes it more now than when he first got it, and it’s been completely reliable.
Just finished 4 years of Range Rover Sport P400e and would concur with all that you say. The one thing you didn't mention however is the actual driving experience and, to be honest, it has felt out on the open road that that the extra weight makes the car wallow and wander with brakes that do not inspire confidence. Add to that a charging cable fire and a blown secondary battery that rendered the brakes all but inoperable and you won't be surprised to hear that I am awaiting delivery of a petrol replacement RRS.
@@mauripekkarinen1cant you read? By the way, it seems to me that what you need is another brand with better reliability and chassis control, not avoiding phev
@@comeberzaExactly my thoughts, perhaps try a BMW PHEV instead of blaming that type of technology, let's face it, you will get a better car for 2/3 the price.
At least it hasn't caught fire like that one at Luton airport.
British cars and electrics do not mix. Buy something German if you’re going the EV route.
Don’t mention the F word 🤫
You do a great job on these latest electric and hybrid machines. Thank you.
I bought an X5 45e last year (partly based on your review, Harry, you'll be happy to hear) and I'm very pleased with it. I couldn't drive much the first two or three months, but I've done 14,000 miles in it of which about half has been on electric. I wouldn't buy a full EV - a friend had an electric Taycan and got rid of it because of the charging problems when away from home. There was much mirth locally when he ran out of battery and had to be brought home by the AA...
I had the Mini Countryman PHEV & found even with just 18 miles of range I was at about 99% electric driving so I've gone on to the Mini E which interestingly has the same size battery as the new Range Rover PHEV, about 32kw. I'm currently getting 4.3miles/Kwh which gives me about 137 miles of range & I am not driving for economy just driving normally. Great fun if you don't do that many miles.
Your battery will degrade quickly and your resell will diminish along with it.
@@jrgb9945 Your brain will fall out of your ears & your legs will be on fire. Thanks for taking part but you haven't won a prize this time.
Very interesting and balanced review. Full disclosure, I am an Ev owner, thoroughly happy and convinced it is the way to go. Just a thought, if you'd run a Tesla Model Y long range, you'd have a car with more room than the Porsche, much better efficiency and an extensive and reliable charging network for those longer journeys.
Yeah. I just drove my Model Y from the Scottish Highlands to Southern Ireland. Stopped once to charge on the way down, (Chargeplace Scotland charger) once while we were away (Irish charger) and then once more on the return trip at the Belfast supercharger. I had to stop more often to go to the loo and let my dogs out than the car did. I do miss my Range Rover Velar D300 but I'd have had to make as many stops in that car.
Try it at minus 20 in winter
Tesla has lost me with the behaviour of Musk. It shouldn’t matter as ‘it’s just a car’, but he’s gone so far that I find him becoming dangerous for democracy.
@@bishopdredd5349Musk is a champion of democracy & free speech, like it or not we can’t just cancel everyone we don’t agree with.
@@bishopdredd5349. What an absurd observation.
Great info, very infomative. also I love seeing a new episode on a Sunday.
Thanks Harry! This was so timely. We just went through this same evaluation, moving beyond a 2015 Range Rover Sport to either the newest gen RR or the BMW 50i. We chose the 50i for all of the same reasons! Thanks for your insight.
As always a great video from ‘the master’. Thanks . But, A good analysis from Harry … I think the PHEV Range Rover vs the diesel or gas is ~20k more! Harry doesn’t really mention this because he has a home solar array. The 20k price differential buys a lot of gas in.e. $20,000 / $4.00 per gallon of gas (in the US) = 5000 gallons x 30mpg = 150,000 miles of gas. Why bother unless you get free electricity, and even then doesn’t seem worth the hassle.
Harry doesn't have free electricity; he just paid for it upfront when he bought the array. It would be interesting to know your calculations taking that into account.
Hi for me. I live in the Republic of Ireland and the x5 50e is 45%cheaper than 30 d Spec for spec so it's a no-brainer. You have to buy A50E if you want a x5 because the government have put big tax and duty on diesel x5
Living in the Prairies, almost 100kms from nearest decent city and with winter temps down to -40C, EV or PHEV doesn’t seem to make sense.
That aside after a very good farming year I am about to pull the trigger on the purchase of a 4 year old, 34000 km Range Rover 5litre SC to replace my 5 year old 5litre F150. Always wanted a Range Rover and being the wrong side of 70 its probably now or never!
Keep up the good work Harry in producing your hugely informative motor and farming videos - thank you.
I'm with you Harry. My XC90 T8 is all we need around town and when in Hybrid on long runs it returns mid-30s.
Really fascinating and helpful. Thanks for that, Harry.
A great analysis as ever Harry, putting all the pros and cons clearly. I’m sure I’m not the only one to be horrified at the power loss involved with home chargers! Nobody would put up with a petrol pump that spilt 10% of the fuel every time you filled up, madness! I remember you being very impressed with your last long term BMW PHEV and of all the cars you’ve tested it seemed the most efficient and I think the price of the new one is extremely competitive.
That's just how electricity works, charging efficiency is limited by physics. I'm hoping he parks these things outside or in a different garage normally, because if one of them explodes as (particularly Range Rover) PHEV's are want to do - it'll take out all those classic collectable vehicles.
Even if there is a 10% loss, when one compares home charging @ 7.5p verses public charging @ 35p - 60p the inefficiency of less than 1p per kW palls into insignificance
@@mikejoseph425 I appreciate that it’s so much cheaper charging at home but if you are ‘losing’ 10% while charging you really should adjust your consumption figure to take that 10% into account. I’m just amazed that it’s considered acceptable by the manufacturers and that they haven’t found a way to prevent it. Maybe they will in the near future but they certainly don’t advertise the fact when they’re selling you the home chargers!
@@Beer_Dad1975 Harry’s home charging ports are in his car port outside his house rather than in his ‘garage’ with his collection so I think his special cars are safe! 👍
@@reinmansmithAh good stuff then! I do wish EV manufacturers would make it clearer about the risks of home charging - sure it's unlikely, but it does happen, and when it does, it's very, very bad.
The problem is they're still too expensive for the average family. They were meant to trickle down but it hasn't happened.
Money never trickles down. Never has. Never will.
Totally agree. And the size and weight of these cars are certainly not trickling down either. From an accumulated environmental perspective this can’t be the way forward. If it’s not meant that motoring is just for a chosen few? The CO2 focused madness does not add up.
All new cars are too expensive for the average family. Buy used
^ Exactly - used EV’s are currently cheaply priced, as the deprecation right now is on on the higher side.
These are one end of the scale, once 2nd hand Ionics and EV6’s hit the market they should be sensibly priced with plenty of range and warrantee left.
Harry nails the use case for PHEVs: mostly shorter trips within (or slightly more) than the car's battery range with a few long trips thrown in from time to time. If that's not your driving pattern, I'd look at something else. Our PHEV has only a 21 mile range, but the great majority of our trips are just within that range. Our long trips do not have convenient charging en route, so having the ICE as an option is perfect. Since we drove the car off the lot 2 years ago our combined gas/electric mileage is over 53 mpg, and that's in a two-and-a-half ton SUV.
This video demonstrates why Harry is at the top of this RUclips car review thing. So many of us are agonising over this (I’m ‘on street’ parking in West London), most of my journeys are speed limited to 20mph (worse possible for economy on my 630 GT), there are plenty of fast charging points in the area, but (crucially) charging at home would be through a window and a bit hit and miss and I love the fact I can do nearly 700 miles without thinking about fuel. I didn’t even know you could waste energy just charging electric cars. He has such an entertaining, engineers style delivery in these videos, so well researched and always with an element of fun. Food for thought, indeed. 👍
At last - long-term use fuel costs for a PHEV. Thanks, Harry! I was rather suspicious of the P400e but your use is perfect for a PHEV, and you have now convinced me that there may be life after my SDV8.
Great video as always. On the inefficiency of AC charging point (10% loss) v DC charging its worth remembering that home charging on AC is hugely cheaper (14p offpeak, 45p peak per Kwh) than external DC charging (typically 50-60p per Kwh). My Taycan will do 250 miles which offpeak costs about £13 to charge. Using a DC charger would cost c.£45-£54. Using a 30mpg petrol car would cost c£58-65 in petrol costs. I completely agree about the PHEV though and the X5 at 60 miles range means virtually all our normal driving is on electric but have security for longer trips. X5 50e also a supremely good car (as Harry said previously maybe BMWs current best car) and v comfortable esp. with comfort seats.
Most Australians do not agree with Harry’s analysis and conclusions. Nobody in Australia buys PHEVs as they are seen as pointless.
In Australia at least, a Tesla Model Y has long been considered an everyday car for the masses. This is especially so considering the Model Y’s AUD $65,400 purchase price which is comparable to the Toyota Hilux and Ford Ranger utes, the top 2 selling cars, which easily retails for the same price. The Model Y is the number 3 selling car, and the top selling passenger car, for September 2023.
Moreover, when the total cost of ownership is considered, whereby a massive $40,000 is saved from avoided petrol and engine maintenance costs over 20 years, the overwhelming economic case of owning is EV is irrefutable.
By 2026, petrol and diesel cars will become totally obsolete and pointless, due to high fuel and engine maintenance costs, the inconveniences of fueling and visiting a workshop and carbon and noxious gas emissions.
Yep 250 miles divided by 30 mpg means you’d use 8.3 gallons of petrol, which is about 38 litres. At £1.52 per litre that’s £57.5. Yep you’re about right!
Although my old Ibiza would get 40 mpg easily. Usually 45-50 mpg. Which would bring the price down to more like £37. I guess that’s not quite the same as driving in a Porsche though 😛
@@Kefford666 A few months ago I was driving on a Sydney highway. Even though I was in a compact car, I overtook a Holden (Chevrolet) Commodore sports sedan with a a 6.0L V8 engine. With his fuel economy being a dismal 15L/100km, his annual fuel bill would be a staggering AUD $3240. Over 20 years this totals a whopping $64,800, which is more than new purchase price of the damn car back in the 2010s.
By 2026, petrol and diesel cars will become obsolete and pointless.
@@user-kc1tf7zm3b In the UK it will be more like 2030-2035. I see people switching as the infrastructure improves (more public chargers, more homes with private chargers) and lots of used EVs appear on the market for reasonable prices.
I do think it will be hard for people in typical English terraced housing to charge at home and that’s really going to hamper EV popularity here. I’ve not been to Sydney but have been to Perth and Brisbane and they both looked much more convenient for home charging compared to the UK.
As a country we also need to continue to increase the percentage of clean electricity in our grid. Currently an EV in the UK takes 4-5 years to break even but in Norway they can do it in one year.
Isn’t Holden equivalent to Vauxhall?
If someone manages to make a synthetic fuel that can be put into ICE cars with little or no modification then that will keep them going for another couple of decades. We already have diesels running on sunflower oil!
@@Kefford666 Yes, no matter where one lives in the world, unless a prospective EV driver has private EV charging at home, then a current 2023 EV is just not viable. About 70% of Australians live in detached free standing houses, with the remaining 30% living in residences being units, apartments and townhouses.
Before too long, battery and charging technology will improve to the point where 300km of range can be gained with a 5 minute fast charge. When this improvement comes about, along with price reductions, EVs will render petrol cars totally obsolete and backward from a technical and usability standpoint. Charging infrastructure will quickly accomodate this development for obvious commercial reasons.
Another critical aspect which will enable EV to be a true maintain car choice is simply the new EV price. EVs will need to be available at the AUD $40K and $30K prices points as many consumes baulk at the proposition of spending $57K on a Tesla. For most consumers, what they care about with a new car purchase is the initial upfront cost. It is just not enough to inform the consumer that the total cost of ownership with an EV is much lower compared to a petrol car as they cannot mentally reconcile these facts.
I have a 2023 XC90 Recharge, and agree with your analysis. Most of the week I use purely electric, and just plug it in at home. For longer journeys it’s never a worry plugging it in. I get around 41-43 miles on my specific commute of electric range, and I too appreciate the silent nature of electric motoring. There isn’t an aspect of the car that I dislike, so will be sticking with it for the foreseeable future.
Great review Harry. We had a Cayenne diesel and a Model 3 Performance. The model 3 was great when I was doing intra and extra city trips on well traveled routes with lots of Tesla chargers. When I switched to a shorter commute, I now have a petrol car and my wife has a Cayenne PHEV. The Cayenne is our road trip car and when we take trips, we take trips in areas where there are still very few chargers. Especially non-Tesla. We've now put 7,500 miles on it and about 5,500 are on all electric. Know yourself as they say...like you we do tons of short trips and the PHEV is perfect for that.
I wanted to buy a Taycan as my Model 3 replacement. But the price is high, the size is small inside and the tech was old when it came out (except for the excellent 800V architecture and it's charging). So buying one as a car I'm going to keep for 5-7 years? I'll take the last of the ICE cars and go out with a bang, so I got an M3 Comp XDrive. It'll probably be the last pure ICE car I ever buy, at least new. Going to go back to 911 in the future when kids get through college and hopefully air-cooled this time.
Great video as always. Let me rattle the cage a bit. I understand the reasoning, but I still think PHEVs are a bit of a sucky blanket - to overcome anxiety. We rely totally on 2 EVs, charged 80% off solar, and have covered 150,000 kms during regular 240 km round trips to work, and long vacation trips, over the last 4 years. We have never had a dead battery or any other breakdown. Neither car (Tesla Model 3 LR and Hyundai Ioniq gen 1) has required servicing, and only tyres have been replaced. Initially we had some anxiety with the switch to full EV but now we hardly think about it. When we are home one car sits on the solar charger. I know EV owners tend to sound evangelical, but the reality is mundane - the cars are practical and convenient - and cheap to run. They are good to drive, and the absence of fumes and regular visits to service stations and dealers is a blessing. If you own your own home it’s a no brainer.
Most Australians do not agree with Harry’s analysis and conclusions. Nobody in Australia buys PHEVs as they are seen as pointless.
In Australia at least, a Tesla Model Y has long been considered an everyday car for the masses. This is especially so considering the Model Y’s AUD $65,400 purchase price which is comparable to the Toyota Hilux and Ford Ranger utes, the top 2 selling cars, which easily retails for the same price. The Model Y is the number 3 selling car, and the top selling passenger car, for September 2023.
Moreover, when the total cost of ownership is considered, whereby a massive $40,000 is saved from avoided petrol and engine maintenance costs over 20 years, the overwhelming economic case of owning is EV is irrefutable.
By 2026, petrol and diesel cars will become totally obsolete and pointless, due to high fuel and engine maintenance costs, the inconveniences of fueling and visiting a workshop and carbon and noxious gas emissions.
yeah it's pretty compelling. I recently added a BMW CE-04 to my garage. What a wonderful little machine. The car and the other bikes don't see much use anymore and I suspect in a year or two I'll have a lot more space in the garage.
As an EV driver who started his journey with an Ampera PHEV, I do find the argument for PHEVs with a decent amount of electric range compelling, particularly if unlike the Ampera they are also able to rapid charge. But I’m not sure why chose to compare your 400 mile range SUV with a 240 mile electric estate car? Why not an electric SUV with a comparable range like a BMW IX or Tesla?
I think he was basing it on the 3 cars he would consider purchasing. With ix and Tesla being discounted because they’re not particularly attractive.
That was a fab video and very apt for me, considering the Land Rover and BMW currently! Thank you
I can only comment on my own experience. Been running a taycan cross turismo 4s over the last 17k miles. Absolutely love it. Great video though.
Please, Harry: could you talk about how EV repair costs are pushing EVERYBODY's insurance up AND making it harder for EV owners to actually find insurance.
Whilst clogging up and destroying the roads by weighing the same as a lorry!
Agreed. I saw a recent report from a Tesla X owner being quoted £6,000 / year to insure by LV. This is because parts are hard to get and there are very few repair shops in the UK capable of doing accident repair work.
@@EvoraGT430how does that “clog up the road”
My i4 is averaging 4.6mi/Kwh, those phevs are pretty inefficient. I dont really find the ev issues you talk of, maybe did a bit more in my i3 but now 300+ miles makes it so easy. I couldnt get my head around carrying that engine around the whole time when you know you dont use it 75% of the time. Seems crazy to me. Understand everyone is different though. Good video.
Great stuff, thank you for bringing the details to us.
Great video with great info for the undecided on what way to go👍
30mpg on that 2.0l Range Rover engine once it’s out of battery is a tad optimistic. Defender P400e get about about 20-25mpg with the same engine once out of battery.
Great video as ever…👌
Having taken plunge and got a Model Y Performance (via work scheme), I am enjoying the speed, great range and on longer journeys Tesla superchargers, some now with 250KW’s of power behind them that charge it up to 600miles in an hour!! All new but so far do good (but will see how winter goes)
This is the most sensible option, although performance is largely a gimmick. The LR is a better buy. I genuinely don’t think you’d find a better all round car than a Y. Super Practical, Super Efficient, relatively cheap. And that’s before the benefits of the network.
Excellent informative video. We are on our second PHEV, a BMW 230e, we regularly beat the claimed electric only range and have only filled the petrol tank 4 times in the year we have had it (it is currently full from one of those refills). We charge at home with a 7.5 kw wall box - shame about those ac losses I learned about here, and like I think many people, the majority of our journeys are 10-25 miles so we are on the lovely quiet smooth electric driving most of the time. I won’t deny it’s good to be able to preheat the car or precool it too. So I agree with what ‘Harry’ has said here, nearly 5 years into PHEV ownership.
Really informative Harry - the tech is moving so fast that relatively new cars risk being obsolete quickly and depreciating at a pace - my modern ICE car will suffice for now and will see how PHEV / EV and the networks develop in the interim especially in more remote areas we travel to
hey harry the depreciation on the taycan after 2 years is about 50% insurance has gone $600 2 years later around $3000 and a porsche of the same time has increased in value ?
Well said Gary. EV’s simply aren’t fit for purpose and when all the dust eventually settles a great many people will realise they’ve been conned by Governments everywhere. Wait till councils everywhere start charging thousands for the right to bury a lithium battery in landfill every decade. The car industry loves all this because it’s the biggest sales event ever, the complete resale of every vehicle on the planet over ten years. And when lithium batteries are banned from all underground garages, shopping centres and car parks they’ll get to say, oops sorry, and sell them in a new format all over again. Exactly what’s wrong with an efficient ICE vehicle doing 60 mpg?
Harry, you're losing 18% of your green electricity.
Inverter from AC to DC or vice versa is always going to cost you 9%. So converting DC solar into household AC then inverting again to charge a DC car, two inversions, cost 18%.
Very informative videos and unbiased, a treat to watch. A PHEV or all electric will not work for my circumstance, so I picked up my first hybrid and am more than happy with over 40 US mpg and normal routines.
As always it’s a matter of finding what fits best. I live on tiny Bermuda 🇧🇲 and my Mini Cooper SE is perfect. The Toyota PHEV is also popular but doesn’t get the same tax benefits as pure EVs and is a lot more complex under the bonnet. For a country where it’s literally impossible to exhaust even the Minis tiny battery in a day the pure EV wins hands down.
Love the channel and content and always looking forward to the next one!!!
I e not watched the whole video yet but I’m wondering why you do t just keep the car ?
It seems ideal for your needs , or is the thought of a modern Range Rover out of warranty enough to give you nightmares ? 😵
Love the vids Harry but doesn't the increased carbon footprint of a Phev and the additional costs they incur outweigh the benefit of any increase in mpg?
Always a great video, thanks Harry
Fabulous presentation Sir, very informative, thank you!
I have an EV and ICE vehicle. I went on a 900 mile trip and really had no range anxiety. I don't know why it's so hard for people to use all the apps available to tell you where the closets fast chargers are and if there in service. It pretty much can make you trip worry free most of the time, and the charging network is only going to get better.
you mean more expensive , providing you have at least 30 minutes to waste waiting for fast charge providing nobody is there using it or its another 2 hour spent wasting your time , if you can find a working one
@@PalaceofPlacentia Unless you've actually experienced this you have no idea what you're talking about. An average road trip stop is close to 20 mins. My ETron GT will get a full charge in about 30 mins. Planning you're trip is key, but if you've already decided in your head it's not worth it you're no help in slowing the use of ICE vehicles and carbon out put in the air.
10% spillage charging from home? That's news to me. Thanks Harry!
Yeah, the thing is that DC charging is generally so much more espensive that even with the 10% inefficiency, it's much cheaper on AC at home.
This is an immeasurably helpful video, thank you as always!
We bought a 50e based on your 45e review (and were x-shopping with a Range Rover). Very pleased with the decision. The X5 is comfortable and really fast. It also handles and brakes better then the RR. Keep up the good work!
Good choice I’d say! The price of the Range Rover is just ridiculous and the X5 is just as premium.
I’m a EV fan and have a long and short range EV but I think you were fair, we love our fully electric life but it’s all about charging at home and good infrastructure. Plus my mother in law has a socket just for our family visits to her home, yes, we are lucky and do pay her ever time per kWh. Nice update. (PS, 3 Tons is mad for a 5 seater SUV, and everything electric that charges has inefficiencies, nothing new. Please also do consider to produce 1 gallon of fuel, you burn tons of gas at the oil rig to power the thing, then oil to run the tanker ships, then megawatts of electricity to power the refinery, just saying)
"Stand by with the fire extinguishers". Oh wait! Thermal Runaway. 🔥😂
Good Vid. Its horses for courses ,electric for town and city and PHEV for both short journeys and longer haul. We have a new Audi A3 PHEV and its works so well for our lifestyle ,using electric in the main for all our local drives and when for example we head off to see friends in the lake District we have the engine and still the ease and convenience of filling up with petrol if needed.
Another really informative video Harry, with electric cars if you are going on a long Journey the information system in your vehicle will show you when to charge and where you can charge , when you get to your destination with planning you will have charge in your battery, most vehicles in the medium to large will do 400 to 500km.
Difficult to take fuel economy that seriously on £100k+ cars.
Nobody goin to a 5* in the Maldives is complainin the cocktails are 10 quid a pop..
Yeah, our Millionaire of The People here isn’t really the most objective reviewer. Especially when he gets free cars for the entire year.
@@GingerPiston Then why don't you go watch Carwow if you want a review of an Astra. If you have a clue (big if) then you know Harry's garage is a channel where more expensive cars get reviewed. If you don't like that doors right there mate.
@@teabagtowers3823 i wanna see him review "dream" cars but are the people buying them really concerned bout mpg? If youre payin a £2k/month lease are you tryin to save £40 in petrol?? Seems odd to me.
@@karlos72 If you want to save money on fuel buy a diesel.
@@teabagtowers3823 yeh, i want a diesel but I want a £200k one cos i wanna spend loads but i dont wanna spend loads?
10% of energy lost to heat when home charging. 75% of energy lost to heat on any piston car. I don't own an EV yet due to their cost and poor charging infrastructure. But they are wildly more efficient than fossil burners.
Great episode Harry - I recently bought 2 PHEVs to add to 2 EVs due to range issues. Your experience of these exactly mirrors mine. I'd also be very interested to hear more about the solar array you fitted and how that feeds the cars and your home - I'm currently in the position of looking at this too as I have recently moved from London to the countryside and have been weighing up adding them.
I'm coming from the perspective of someone who has owned a Tesla Model x for nearly 3 years, then largely due to your review of the X5 45e sold the Tesla and bought one! I have to say, all your comments and issues resonate with me and I couldn't not be happier with the 45e it is a sensational car and I'm sure the 50e is even better. All my short trips are electric only and longer trips I'm frequently nudging 40mpg for a 2.5 tonne luxury SUV.
Nice story BMW rep.
I really dont know what kind of job you need to have to afford such cars. Im a GP Doctor, my wife takes care of our two kids, and works 20 hours a week as teacher and still we cant afford a car that will depreciate more than 3-4k per year.
All we can afford is a 8yo E-Class Estate with plenty of miles on it (bought it for 25k a year ago) and a 13 yo Vauxhall Astra.
Im not complaining but can anyone relate to my situation?
BMW regen is infuriating! Its called "adaptive drive" and it chooses when to kick in and by how much, so you never know how much you have to brake. Its impossible to brake smoothly when the car can make decisions on regen and contribute as much or as little as it sees fit.
My Hyundai Ionic 5 has something similar called Auto regen - its brilliant.
You can select various other regen settings if you dont like the adaptive option
@adamfry1125 mate, if you can show me how then I'll get you a beer. This shit has been winding me right up!
@@howarddavies136 Maybe it's not the same on them all but I can do it via the idrive or even just more shifter across to B mode for full 1 pedal driving. That's on a i4.
@adamfry1125 U11 X1 will only disable it in sport mode 😦 I've just had another read of the manual. You raised my hopes for a moment, and now, nothing but disappointment 😞
Excellent overview and explanation as ever
Thanks Harry for being a true pioneer in the evolution of environmentally friendly motoring. Being a bit more cautious, I’m still on my 3rd hybrid, but my 2020 Sonata gets 62mpg and only takes 5min to refuel.
Keep it. It won’t burn your house down.
None of them.
Make a hybrid the size of a Ford Focus. Give it enough range to do 40-50 miles on electric. Most journeys for most people will then be electric.
And those people without driveways (the poorer) won't be completely screwed by having to spend hours a week sitting in charging stations.
And smaller batteries will be better for the environment.
Mazda MX-30 with range extender
@@peterbonnez Crossover so needlessly heavy. 1,881 kg, apparently.
Very few people actually need that extra height.
Most say they need a crossover because they have kids... those notoriously tall people who need a high car.
EVs are discriminatory against the poor. Those with less money are much less likely to have driveways. How many spare hours a week do you have to spend charging a car? Without charging infrastructure on streets, those with less money will be shafted.
@@julianevans9548It’s hardly a unique issue is it, I mean life is discriminatory against the poor. Can’t really blame EVs for that….
@@simonm9923 No, I blame the politicians and their policies - on EVs and everything else. That's capitalism for you.
I was with you all the way. Great explanation, Harry!
Thank you so much for this wonderful video. The subject has been something I also have been considering but not sure on which type of vehicle to choose, I like you will go to PHev rather than pure EV.
i know a few people that their insurance has told them they wont insure their EV anymore. The ones that will insure it, are charging huge money, £4k in one case.
In an EV, you don't arrive at an overnight stay with low charge when you know you can't charge there. Just plan your trip accordingly so you can get to the next best high power charger on your way back or to your next destination. This might mean that you need to do another charge stop on your way there or charge more. With modern fast charging cars this might mean another 15 minute break.
Or just buy a ICE and don't worry about a thing
@@ThePorkypete51Exactly, it makes no sense to put up with the inconvenience for dubious economic or environmental benefits.
Fascinating, great insight , thanks, Harry.
Great video as aways, Harry, thank you. I'm one step behind you on the journey, having just moved from pure petrol to a non-plug-in hybrid, a 2023 Honda Civic, for much of my mileage. I live in a modern apartment building and we still don't have a solution for charging. It's a chicken and egg situation: the suppliers can't keep up with demand and some of them aren't interested in an installation where only 2 or 3 of the 40 residents have gone electric/PHEV. Installing a charger individually is prohibitively expensive. Until that gets resolved, I can't make the move to PHEV.
What do you make of the high numbers of Hybrids catching on fire Harry? I wouldn't keep one in your garage with your collection!
Harry, I would definitely consider parking all hybrid/ev’s outside. If one goes up you will loose your collection!
What an insightful video ❤ loved it ! 😊
Interesting to hear your thoughts on this. Genuine consideration is always nice to hear.
What about all Land Rover models full electric for 2024
Harry: IMPORTANT re TAYCAN RECALL for FIRES!!!!!...don't park that thing in your garage!
The drama is, they're prohibitively expensive and then you lose a higher percentage of the increased cost in depreciation, higher insurance premiums and no one wants to buy them in the aftermarket. Then cherry on top, they set themselves on fire. 👍
Great content once again ,thoroughly enjoyable .The depreciation on the Porsche is alarming though I guess most are leased
Very good points and calculations. Thank you.
The Taycan is far less practical than the oteh two. The BMW may be very efficient but it's ugly. Save your cash and keep the Range Rover.
I glazed over pretty early on.
Why watch then
@@dave9614It’s Harry ! I could watch him boiling an egg and explaining what he was trying to achieve
Full marks to Harry for the number crunching on this comparison👍 With PHEV's now being as good as the Beemer appears to be, that would be my choice for the simple reason that you can just go about your business on full electric and forget all the negatives of EV's, safe in the knowledge that you'll never be left stranded. From a pure practicality point of view the Taycan doesn't look anywhere near as Family friendly as the RR or the X5 either. I see there's another tech coming into the mix with an ammonia powered ICE being developed jointly by Toyota and Chinese Co. GAC but it's still early days with that one.
Absolutely love Harry’s content 🙌🙌🙌🙌
They're all 💩
Buy a Petrol or Diesel car, runs much further & is ready to go at any time. 😉
As Harry said in the video - having an EV charging at home means always having full range on your drive, and for most people that is all they need, for the majority of their driving.
This makes me piss.
All these people who run these electric cars pretending they are helping to save the planet but then having a new car every other year.
What a joke
When these people get a new car, the old car isn’t just scrapped !
It’s how the used car market happens 👍🏻
@@SDK2006b it doesn't need selling on in the first place.
It's just monstrous greed for anyone who can afford it.
Brilliant, Harry! I like your evaluation
Nice video as always. And thanks to save the image of phev, of course those vehicles are not great if you don't charge them. Else this is really the perfect mix of both worlds. We have a Kia Niro Phev at home, my wife uses it to commute and with a 60 miles trip she burns only 2 litters of petrol. And on long journey this is just above the double. I'm using a L322 V8 4.4 diesel on my own and for my next car, a phev will be the target.