First of, love your reviews...The price is just way too much for a saloon car at near on £60K...I am just stunned at how prices of cars have ballooned to such heights, and I know that inflation and other factors are hitting us, but deep down I just get the feeling we are being screwed/crushed at every turn from simple household shopping, energy like gas and electric all the way through to larger cost items like cars.. Sorry about the rant...
I'm sure this is down to consumers' increasing acceptance of the ever popular PCP / leasing / financing options. People are happily fooled into thinking they're able to afford purchasing a shiny new car when they're effectively renting them. And the financing companies / car manufacturers are happy to cash upon this new revenue stream.
They're massively more expensive than they need to be - just look at the criminal prices of headlamps now. Just why? The simple bulb lamps in my old Fiat light the road just as well (possibly better) than the fancy LED ones in my Jaguar which are like an overly focused torch and have zero 'peripheral vision' in the light. Bulb cost to replace: £4, lamp unit in Jag: £1500+
I have an A6 Biturbo diesel. I get 1000km to a tank. No anxiety ever. And since I bought it used, I payed much less than a new one. So no resale anxiety either.
Loved the review of the ID7. Can’t wait for VW Australia to get their act together (no ID models avail here till mid 2024) Look forward to a longer test thanks
I sat in an ID.7 on Wednesday. Unfortunately I didn’t get to drive it, but I did play with the infotainment. Completely agree it is night and day better than the early cars, materials are so much nicer, and it finally(!) has battery preconditioning. The launch edition is still too expensive, but it will clearly get discounted thanks to the ZEV mandate. A Pro S estate will be the one to have IMHO.
@@KangoV That's the Chinese factory built version for starters, and VW will still be selling at a significant loss trying to stem the loss of market share (and failing).
Hi Ped Another good one, keeping a dinosaur like me up to date!🤭 The most positive and reassuring feature is the link to the charging stations, which I am sure will be a big plus to potential purchasers. Hope you can get a long termer in the future, and put range to the test, and how you will cope with parking in supermarket car park🤭
It looks promising. On a personal note, I would have preferred if VW had kept the model names Polo, Golf and Passat for their electric cars. These ID names don't click with me, but I'm sure they have their reasons.
I think the ID names are temporary until the ICE models stop being made. It's possible that there'll be one more generation of Golf and ID.3, and then just the Golf after that.
May be plan B is to go back to petrol/ diesel cars with the old names, that people actually want to own and drive. Personally I am not interested in any vehicle I have to plug in to an electrical output . Non plug in hybrids I could deal with if it had Toyota reliability.
@@cosmicpop Yes, I was thinking of that, too. It's as though VW didn't want to take any risk in case the electric cars would be a flop and not risk damaging the 'solid reputation' of the established ICE variants (except for Dieselgate thing, but everyone seems to havemoved on from that anyway😄).
I have an id4 which is great as you would expect from vw, but the biggest problem I find is the harsh suspension, noise tyres and fussy info which unnecessarily complicatd. Before you try on normal roads . Keep this in mind when considering the ev range!
Excellent review, as always. Irrespective of it being an EV - £60k and VW still putting in a manual bonnet strut? Cheaping out wherever they can, that's sad really.
@@PetrolPed there is a company in Ireland doing storage trays for the ID range and the Skoda Enyaq for under the bonnet have you any input on them ,apparently £179 plus delivery plus vat
It may do 300 or 400 miles in summer just with the driver and a steady motorway speed below the legal limit but add a couple of passenger, luggage and the long trip for say a holiday down the motorway may eat into that range figure significantly. Add on the country roads with start, stops, braking and accelerating and the range gets hit again. So it would be interesting to see a real life test of that!
I personally don't like the outside of the car, but inside is nice. Price is way to much, here in US they would not sell well for sure. 0-60= 6.5 sec?! that is way to slow. Your reviews are always great, and I love them all.
It does look promising, but I’d be keen to see (as you suggest) longer, more detailed, range testing; price should - of course - be about £10k lower, but prices are what they are! Encouraging effort from VW. Personally, I’d wait on the LR ‘86’ and spec it on maybe 19s… that should eke range up close to 375-400 real world, which IS a game changer!
EVs are slowly getting nearer to being a realistic proposition for me. Interesting video. I currently drive about 20-25k miles a year in an Octavia diesel, including 410 miles in one hit about a dozen times a year. Still needs proper buttons for functions instead of a touch screen though
It's the way forward Steven, I'm doing 50k kms /yr in an Eniro. Did 900kms in one day last year - 3 stops to charge of 35 min each. Discussing it later with my son we agreed that it was only the 3rd stop that we felt the wait as we needed the 2 earlier ones. The trip cost bout €50. Best of luck with whatever you decide.
Regarding the Nav system and charging. The system in the Polestar 2 is as good and probably better in that it will show you the nearest chargers, half fast they how many available with 1 top from the Home Screen. The Google Maps system in the P2 thrashes all other systems I’ve seen except the Tesla system and it’s very comparable with it.
A great review as always Pete, thanks and keep up the good work. I'm a petrol head, was and always will be, own petrol and diesel at the moment. My issue with ID 7 and all EV's is with their price, its ridiculous compare to the competition ICE. The New 2024 Skoda Super 2.0 petrol or diesel will be about £38-40K with 4x4 and estate option, better value for money. Albite smaller still fun Skoda Octavia VRS hatch is £36K £60k for ''passat'' .........hard pass.
I sat in one of these today, irrespective of the EV hater / lovers…55 + big ones for a what is a basically a Passat is nuts, with epic depreciation (also what is it with VW and Audi with piano black plastic). Not loving the VW designs as well, but too smooth and bulbous. Good work though Pete, keep them coming bud!
Definitely an improvement on initial IDs but ~£60k seems a little steep. Not sure the tech and efficiency are a match for Tesla quite yet but it's good to see the improvement. I realise that some do like enormous cars but was hoping that the arms race in size could be reversed with efficiency and handling trumping bulk.
Another great review Pete! Have owned VWs and Audis for the last 35 years and have never found them to be anything other than great versatile cars provided you choose the right engine. Am still not convinced with the depreciation of these EVs so would wait a few years, but clearly VW have worked hard to get the ID7 right. Tesla and their Chinese competitors are not making things easy for VW though. Hope you can get to drive one for at least a week. Cheers, Tom
What an Interesting review. Like the side profile not to sure about the rear light bar or front light bar. I think the space in the boot is brilliant and rear passenger seat great the front seat looks comfortable. What I am not to sure on is the big Ipad in the middle I think the people at Volkswagen could of designed it, so it’s integrated into the dashboard and not making the windscreen area smaller. But it good that the driver has there own set of dials for speed range Etc I think I would lean towards a hybrid at the Moment if I was changing. Great review as always Thank you petrol ped
Great review. Would like to see how the interface charger point journey suggestions actually translate to reality, i.e. definitely available/ free in real time and actually working.
We're clearly getting towards the end of this 2nd generation of EVs and I'm waiting for the 3rd. The generation with solid state batteries, stuff that will charge in 10 minutes and hold a range of 400+ miles, or less and be lighter / cheaper. It'll be an interesting space from 2025 thru 2030 for sure. Personally for me my eNiro (with it's built in heat pump) is more than enough for everything I do, but I appreciate there's the odd person who wants more and everybody wants a lower screen-price. btw - an aside, eNiros like mine can be had second hand for £16k now - a total steal for a very rounded car. Mine's done 50k miles and has a battery SOH of over 99%.
Great review even with the weather tou encountered. This is a great looking car and im looking forward to test driving this one myself. Im thinking if hanging on thiugh til the larger battery model is released as im self employed and do some serious milage each year, even a car at this price when i calculate the cost of diesel I'm burning will safe me money buying the vehicle on hp
Great review & a very nice car, I shall never own one, or any electric vehicle due to the prohibitive price! £60k...wow. Most regular working people will be priced off the road, Unless electric vehicle prices drop substantially....I shall be holding on to my 2019 Vitara for many years to come 👍
I drive an ID5 at the mo which has the same battery size albeit with the 150 motor @174 bhp which is ok and easy to drive but the bame changer as you pointed out the provision for the charging stops /stations would enable the car to be a game changer ,i wonder if volkswagen would allow this to be installed even as a at cost option on the previous ID cars which would make them more sellable in the future,ps i used a Tesla supercharger for non teslas the other week and apart from being cheaper cost was also easier than others 22:43
From my perspective (as an ID4 driver) it's the battery preheating when navigating to a charger on the ID7 that is really the game changer, particularly in winter. The integration of charging with navigation is already part of the existing software on the ID4 - and it is a bit mixed TBH, particularly if there are particular networks that you want to avoid.
.23 CD very impressive, but the actual drag is more important, i.e. front area * CD, actual drag would be a better measure. Having said that the saloon / hatch type car will always be better for range and efficiency. Nice looking car though.
It will be interesting to see what the Audi version of this car is like, will at be the next A6? However, I think it’s looking expensive in a world were you can get a BYD Seal for less money and it has AWD and north of 500bhp.
I find it interesting that there is an accepted train of thought now that when a car's new price is mentioned, the majority of commentators say it will probably be leased or financed. Has this allowed motor manufacturers to steadily increase the price of cars knowing that really it is about the monthly payment for most customers.
I've just had finance refused due to where I work, and for only about a fifth of the purchase price (and about a tenth of my salary). Dread to think what their response would be if I'd asked to lease a new car!
A good move by VW I think. 86Kw option has range of up to 460 miles in summer city traffic. 235 miles in winter on a motorway. 77Kw option has range of up to 420 miles in summer city traffic. 210 miles in winter on a motorway. All according to EVDatabase. Used 6 month old values are around £42K at the moment, so some bargains to be had!
Thanks for the review Pete. Do you think it would be possible to add on estimated waiting times for these new vehicles? I am sure that it would make a difference between 6-8 weeks or 9-12 months. Thanks once again.
If your thinking of buying a new electric vehicle don’t unless you can put through a business or are prepared to lose a fortune on residuals..sorry for being blunt.
Or you could lease one and not have to worry about it’s value at the end of the lease as you hand it back to the leasing company who has to face the depreciation problem. Note LEASE not PCP. There are plenty of lease companies now doing personal leasing as well as business leasing.
OK, with regards to the charging network being in the satnav. You know that's already part of all ID cars? I have a MY22 ID3 with v3.2 software, and am able to plot a route to the South of France if need be and not have to touch ZapMap or ABRP. Have none of the motoring journalists actually seen the current V3.2+ software on the ID models? While the interface is slightly different and admittedly not as quick, my MY22 ID3 is able to do everything with regards to routing as is seen in this video. I'm able to see all chargers in the satnav with live updates. I'm able to only choose chargers with more than x stalls if need be. I'm able to filter by 50Kw or more if need be. I'm also able to see all charger statuses within the map area even if I'm not navigating anywhere I recently drove from Macclesfield to Ilford. After 30 mins of driving the satnav announced I could make the journey with no charging (thank you Pennines!) after initially thinking I'd need to charge, so removed charging from the route. Automatically. Conversely, on the reverse journey, the weather was atrocious. The satnav automatically sensed I was using more energy and started routing me to closer chargers. My point is, this already happens in ID cars and it's frustrating to see journos missing this. By the way, excellent video as always. I really want an ID7 but I'm happy with my ID3 :-)
Is it correct that to charge a EV to say 70 kw you actually have to input approximately 10 percent more to reach the rateable limit , as the loss is due to leads and heat loss ect, when charging?
See if you can get the estate for your long term review - would love to see you go to the alps and back like you did with the big landrover. Wagons need a bit of love in this day and age - which is weird because they have to be more efficient than SUVs as they dont have the massive forehead catching wind.
hmm, interesting.... still not sure if enough to renew for another electric car soon, although it did look comfy and im all about that these days, hope you get an extended test in that and the one thats exciting me last 2 days....the new macan (porsche)
A cursory glance through Auto-Trader shows you can have a Rolls Royce Phantom for little more. It has suffered the bulk of its depreciation, and I'm darned certain which I would rather own.
Current car is a 2018 Audi S4. The ID.7 costs 25% more to go the same distance, slower. I know it's the future but I'm struggling to see how the future is better.
Another interesting film. The car not for me but if the range in the real world stands up to the claimed figures it augers well for the future of longer journeys being possible with minimum charging stops in future cars from other manufacturers.
A word of wisdom, manufacture estimates NEVER equal to real-world. At best, you'd get 80% of what they claim. That was true of ICE, and its still true for EVs.
It's getting better but still not convinced by electric only, hybrids are still the way to go, for now! It is a very good alternative to a Tesla but the supercharger network is still way more convenient.
Hi Ped A good launch review I must say it looks a nice car. I’d prefer a plug in hybrid rather than a full EV it be the best of both worlds. When you get one for a longer period it be great to see how it actually performs real world and if the sat nav charger interface works in real usage as good as it appears to be
... also the worst of both worlds. i.e. you have all the mechanical complexity plus the ev side of it which means there's more to go wrong and the ICE bits will start to cause trouble eventually where an electric car might just keep on going. Your use case may require it but I'm just trying to point out that there are tradeoffs in everything.
Nice looking car and it sounds, from your initial drive, rather good. Way out of my league financially but your price comparison between the VW and an electric Corsa makes an excellent point. How does the ID7 compare for quality, spec and price with Tesla equivalent? Look forward to learning you have one on a longer term. D
As they advise you should only charge the battery up to 80% I think they should also advise the range accordingly. In other words whatever they say first knock off that 20% and then another 10% for lights, wipers, air-con etc and even that will depend on the weather as the battery will lose charge if it is too cold or too hot.
There is no issue charging to 100% if you need it. The total battery capacity is always more than the useable size. Lights & wipers and other smaller electrical drives don’t use power form the main battery
@@SDK2006b That doesn't alter the fact that the manufacturers "advise" (which is what I said) charging up to 80% or it can shorten the life of the battery. Petrol and diesel consumption figures are still not what you will necessarily achieve but at least they don't say only fill up to 80%. Until the range of these EVs are independently checked under all conditions, observing long-term warnings, I will take them all with a large 'pinch of salt'. I'd love the long range single motor Polestar 2 with its reported range of 406 miles.... but, will it really do that or is it just hypothetical?
@@mda5003 - sure 👍🏻 I ran a Polestar 2 for 3 years and it was a great car. They have improved the efficiency on the recent model so I would image 350ish miles achievable when it’s not Winter.
But that’s NOT what they say. Charging to 80% is the most time efficient way to charge, especially when on a trip using public infrastructure. They is no reason why you can’t charge to 100% 🤷♂️
Have they stated the expected degradation per year / by distance, and battery replacement cost? I've been looking at new cars lately and even with PHEV/MHEV I've been asking the questions, sometimes they turn white as a sheet. I don't like the great big tablet stuck to the dash but sadly it affects so many cars now. Even Land Rover Discovery Sport no longer has climate controls.
I'm with you on the big tablets in every car now. Looks horrendous and cheap. What happened to nice dashboard? I don't want to be sitting at an office desk in my car but have a nice driver's experience.
@@MotorScottiIn some reviews you can plainly see them reflecting light from outside and becoming hard to read, operating a smartphone in a moving car is (rightly) illegal, and somehow they're getting away with burying all the controls in a fiddly touchscreen. I don't know a single driver who likes having every little thing in a touchscreen, it's just a cynical cost saving being marketed as an 'operating system'. Just give me a few buttons and dials for the things I want regularly, it's not much to ask.
Not really range anxiety but charger anxiety is the new one due to reliability issues and how accurate is the status info guess it depends on charge point operator and how they integrate to in car nav and charging apps and what the definition of 'up' is. Mind you if it was a site with all of one charger manufacturer, starting with letter 'T' that Ionity uses alot of then I would not trust what the nav says for chargers being 100% up.
Old topic, but you drive a lot of vehicles every year. How hard is it find the controls on the tablets in each car? Maybe a short piece on your experiences working with HMI? Would be interesting to us mechanical luddites. 😅
@@PetrolPed your average joe isn't gonna have that experience on the seond hand market.... That's what annoys me about a lot of these cars. Yes, the tech is fancy and and impressive, but without expert guidance, it would take an age to learn everything. Your typical secondhand dealer or car supermarket aren't gonna upskill their staff on all the different manufacturers infotainment systems to demo them to people!
I hope all those systems controlled by the infotainment system work better than in my Cupra Formentor, numerous software updates but it can still throw a wobbler at any time.
Not sure what is going on with vw design for EVs, it seems that they are so focused on the range / efficiency that they have forgotten to actually design an attractive car
Welcome to soggy MK lol! There are some nice B road routes near where you went, out Newton Longville way, should have gone a wee bit further out! Although to be fair that tank of a car is probably not up for B road blasting. Way too big for my liking but at least it wasn't another effing SUV.......nearly, but not quite.
As good as it sounds, it's cost prohibitive for it's largest target audience (regional sales personnel) the old Passat crew if you like. The estate version would be interesting at 50k for a decent company car spec (equipment levels at Enyaq iv 85 mid range would suffice).
Do we? 😂 They are illuminated as they’ve removed the gesture control sensors. Most ID owners moan about the lack of battery preconditioning. This finally has it.
I have an ID.4 and I moan about the fact that the temperature and volume controls are not backlit. So much about the ID.3/4/5 that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Seems VW has finally got its act together with the ID.7? Although, a heat pump should be standard.
@@beano6452 100% the heat pump should be standard. I’d never pay £1k for as it’s hard to justify at the time of purchase. But adding 20-30 extra miles in the winter would be helpful on a long run.
@@ma40the RUclips channel "Battery Live" checked the difference...only 20km Difference...not even worth to think about wasting 1k for this. Thankfully this is not Standard and added to the base price.
VW have finally go their life together and produced a compelling family saloon EV car... I felt the other ID's weren't great but this one looks very good and the range is what most people will look for. The sat nav, interactive charger intelligence etc is a real game changer. I will considering one of these when my car is up fore renewal. What other similar cars can boast a range of the ID7? Well done Pedro, another first class review.
The only people who will buy this will be on PCP and the secondhand values will plummet like a stone. I would never spend my own money to purchase a car like this. You EV fan boys crack on. Good luck, I think you're going to need it.
As normal for this Kind of Business Cars. My Passat GTE was at 70K List price and I bought it for 50% after only 13k km and 9 month usage by VW itself. This Cars are at 90% least in first usage at Business...only a very small amount is bought new from private users at all.
Thanks Phd for an interesting and thorough review, as always. After their cheating over diesel-gate I just couldn't consider a VW but that's just me. This looks like a fine car with a much improved interior and software than the early ID models...but no heat pump as standard at that price?...C'mon VW!
Check "Battery Live" an experienced VW ID Driver, who owns an ID7...only 20km Difference...not even worse to think about wasting 1k for this. Thanks god it is an Option and not added automatically to the base price.
Surely it would be more slippery if it was the same height as a normal saloon? It's nearly 6 inches taller than a 3 series, A4 etc. If it was lower and sleeker surely it helps with drag?
I get 260/270 miles from my Q4. The extra range in this is seriously impressive, will deffo consider it next, if the 86kw version is out then even better.
Read legroom doesn't seem as good as a Skoda Superb and a 2.0 Diesel Superb has a range close to 900 and 800 if driven sharply at times. Good to see this VW finally getting a better centre screen as definitely the early version was very low tech and slow for a car of high cost..
It's the same old problem with charging. It's not a case of having to wait 15 minutes to charge to 80% or less, the anxiety comes with not being able to GUARANTEE the charging station is not only working but able to charge at the fullest rate and the other thing is guaranteeing that it's actually working when you get there and not broken or the payment system is down or needs a specific phone app etc etc. That's why hybrid cars are currently the only option right now. The charging infrastructure is appalling currently
From my experience over the last year the charging infrastructure has improved hugely, particularly with the rollout of larger charging hubs. Obviously a lot more investment is required as more people switch to EVs, but even with a relatively small battery (52kWh) I've had no problem charging on some long road trips over the past 12 months.
@@michaelridley2864 the problem is that NOBODY wants to take ownership, the maintenance, the new installations of the infrastructure. The Government has given laws to push EV's yet doesn't want to sort out the charging infrastructure. Even though they could enforce it by law to the operators of these companies. They have money in oil, they are all hoping it fails whilst looking like they care about the environment.
Don't know it for the ID7, but in my Passat I can partly switch off, which shows only a watch after this and Fully switch oof until Black...pressing the off switch longer, which usually is used only for Sound off
Another good balanced video Ped, however for me another big miss from VW I’m afraid. £60k is an outrageous cost for an EV with options including £7k for a sunroof and a bit of stying is obscene! A heat pump should be standard and not a £1k option. I can’t see who is going to pay list for this and after the launch hype it will be heavily discounted by dealers. You can get a year old Model Y LR for £36k - £40k which still is in my opinion a far superior car to this with (looks aside), better tech, practicality and range. Given past EV products from the VW group, I suspect the ID7 won’t get anywhere near it’s quoted range. Being generous, the ID7 will be a £32k car after a year, which may present a better proposition. It’s good to see the incorporation of charging stations in the sat nav but the new HMI looks like a stuck on cheap ipad. It will look dated very quickly. I think with more competition in the market now from BYD and others VW really do need to price their vehicles much more competitively. Cost of living crisis aside, the public are much better informed and are not cash cow fools and will not fall for the hype around this and other similarly specced priced EV,s. With Tesla missing it’s last earnings forecast and BYD having a lot of scope to reduce prices due to low manufacturing costs and the general poor uptake of new EV,s by the non company car driving public I can see VW,s competitors reducing list prices again this year. This will be a good thing for the consumer and hopefully a bit of a wake up call for VW!
This ID7 is the first good looking EV I have seen.the front end looks great the rear is a bit square. Tesla build quality is terrible so VW will have German quality build. The range on a full charge sounds amazing. Another few years and EV might be worth buying as the batteries will be better and the charging network in the UK will better.Great review as usual thanks Mr Ped.
Very impressive car, good to see VW embracing the future. But I have to say, I'm not keen on this naming system. ID.7 sounds like form you would fill out. Polo, Golf, Caddy, Transporter, these have a more iconic quality to them. Just my opinion anyway.
A great review Pete , I'm finding it difficult though to understand why VW launch this fab ID7 but still they Re=invent the Passat as an ICE Tourer !! Come on VW do better !
First of, love your reviews...The price is just way too much for a saloon car at near on £60K...I am just stunned at how prices of cars have ballooned to such heights, and I know that inflation and other factors are hitting us, but deep down I just get the feeling we are being screwed/crushed at every turn from simple household shopping, energy like gas and electric all the way through to larger cost items like cars.. Sorry about the rant...
I'm sure this is down to consumers' increasing acceptance of the ever popular PCP / leasing / financing options. People are happily fooled into thinking they're able to afford purchasing a shiny new car when they're effectively renting them. And the financing companies / car manufacturers are happy to cash upon this new revenue stream.
This car will be worth less than £25000 in three years time. 😂
@@jogabonito8989 Great point….are they car manufacturers or just Finance companies who happen to sell vehicles (VW also own Scania and Man trucks)
They're massively more expensive than they need to be - just look at the criminal prices of headlamps now. Just why? The simple bulb lamps in my old Fiat light the road just as well (possibly better) than the fancy LED ones in my Jaguar which are like an overly focused torch and have zero 'peripheral vision' in the light. Bulb cost to replace: £4, lamp unit in Jag: £1500+
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I have an A6 Biturbo diesel. I get 1000km to a tank. No anxiety ever. And since I bought it used, I payed much less than a new one.
So no resale anxiety either.
Loved the review of the ID7. Can’t wait for VW Australia to get their act together (no ID models avail here till mid 2024) Look forward to a longer test thanks
I sat in an ID.7 on Wednesday. Unfortunately I didn’t get to drive it, but I did play with the infotainment. Completely agree it is night and day better than the early cars, materials are so much nicer, and it finally(!) has battery preconditioning.
The launch edition is still too expensive, but it will clearly get discounted thanks to the ZEV mandate. A Pro S estate will be the one to have IMHO.
Costs £27,007 in China!
@@KangoV That's the Chinese factory built version for starters, and VW will still be selling at a significant loss trying to stem the loss of market share (and failing).
@@ma40 I don't really care about the reasons. Just look at the price.
Hi Ped
Another good one, keeping a dinosaur like me up to date!🤭 The most positive and reassuring feature is the link to the charging stations, which I am sure will be a big plus to potential purchasers. Hope you can get a long termer in the future, and put range to the test, and how you will cope with parking in supermarket car park🤭
You do the best car reviews of anyone on the planet. Keep up the good work!
I don’t have range anxiety. I learned to use ABRP and Zapmap!
It looks promising. On a personal note, I would have preferred if VW had kept the model names Polo, Golf and Passat for their electric cars. These ID names don't click with me, but I'm sure they have their reasons.
Yeah I like cars names too rather than code names 😂
I think the ID names are temporary until the ICE models stop being made. It's possible that there'll be one more generation of Golf and ID.3, and then just the Golf after that.
May be plan B is to go back to petrol/ diesel cars with the old names, that people actually want to own and drive.
Personally I am not interested in any vehicle I have to plug in to an electrical output .
Non plug in hybrids I could deal with if it had Toyota reliability.
@@cosmicpop Yes, I was thinking of that, too. It's as though VW didn't want to take any risk in case the electric cars would be a flop and not risk damaging the 'solid reputation' of the established ICE variants (except for Dieselgate thing, but everyone seems to havemoved on from that anyway😄).
Isn't this just another car creating an even bigger divide between those that can afford a new car and the rest of us?
Evening all! Hope everyone is doing well and have a great weekend.
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I have an id4 which is great as you would expect from vw, but the biggest problem I find is the harsh suspension, noise tyres and fussy info which unnecessarily complicatd. Before you try on normal roads . Keep this in mind when considering the ev range!
So thankful that you did this review. We are suppose to be getting the ID.7 here in the states sometime this year.
Thanks
Excellent review, as always. Irrespective of it being an EV - £60k and VW still putting in a manual bonnet strut? Cheaping out wherever they can, that's sad really.
Go buy the equivalent Audi for £70k then to get your strut..
But you don’t need to go in the bonnet that often 🤔
@@PetrolPed there is a company in Ireland doing storage trays for the ID range and the Skoda Enyaq for under the bonnet have you any input on them ,apparently £179 plus delivery plus vat
At least you are able to open it by yourself. Looking at you Mercedes😂
Gotta make their money to pay the dieselgate fines
It may do 300 or 400 miles in summer just with the driver and a steady motorway speed below the legal limit but add a couple of passenger, luggage and the long trip for say a holiday down the motorway may eat into that range figure significantly. Add on the country roads with start, stops, braking and accelerating and the range gets hit again. So it would be interesting to see a real life test of that!
I personally don't like the outside of the car, but inside is nice. Price is way to much, here in US they would not sell well for sure. 0-60= 6.5 sec?! that is way to slow. Your reviews are always great, and I love them all.
Great detailed review. Sadly most tests show real world range is about 30% less than WLTP
Yep. I’d expect that too 👍
It does look promising, but I’d be keen to see (as you suggest) longer, more detailed, range testing; price should - of course - be about £10k lower, but prices are what they are!
Encouraging effort from VW. Personally, I’d wait on the LR ‘86’ and spec it on maybe 19s… that should eke range up close to 375-400 real world, which IS a game changer!
EVs are slowly getting nearer to being a realistic proposition for me. Interesting video. I currently drive about 20-25k miles a year in an Octavia diesel, including 410 miles in one hit about a dozen times a year. Still needs proper buttons for functions instead of a touch screen though
It's the way forward Steven, I'm doing 50k kms /yr in an Eniro. Did 900kms in one day last year - 3 stops to charge of 35 min each. Discussing it later with my son we agreed that it was only the 3rd stop that we felt the wait as we needed the 2 earlier ones. The trip cost bout €50. Best of luck with whatever you decide.
Will be the worse decision you make but up to you.
Proper buttons are rapidly becoming a thing of the past 😢
@@Isclachau what is it with you?
@@justinfletcher1882 Hi ugly. I just ❤️winding fools like you up. Makes my day …..
Regarding the Nav system and charging. The system in the Polestar 2 is as good and probably better in that it will show you the nearest chargers, half fast they how many available with 1 top from the Home Screen. The Google Maps system in the P2 thrashes all other systems I’ve seen except the Tesla system and it’s very comparable with it.
Polestar infotainment 👍
Volvo infotainment 🤮
I was expecting the basic price to be in excess of £60k so pleasantly surprised although £52k is still a lot of money.
Good review by the way
Yes, only £52k. I'll have two. Keep the change.
😂😂Only 52k
Thanks 🙏🏻
Brilliant review though! As always 😊
Great review. Agree with all the comments re prices in general. Depreciation going to be a kicker. These will all be taxis in 24 months??
A great review as always Pete, thanks and keep up the good work. I'm a petrol head, was and always will be, own petrol and diesel at the moment. My issue with ID 7 and all EV's is with their price, its ridiculous compare to the competition ICE. The New 2024 Skoda Super 2.0 petrol or diesel will be about £38-40K with 4x4 and estate option, better value for money. Albite smaller still fun Skoda Octavia VRS hatch is £36K
£60k for ''passat'' .........hard pass.
Yep. EVs just cost too much to make 😢
I sat in one of these today, irrespective of the EV hater / lovers…55 + big ones for a what is a basically a Passat is nuts, with epic depreciation (also what is it with VW and Audi with piano black plastic). Not loving the VW designs as well, but too smooth and bulbous. Good work though Pete, keep them coming bud!
They all do shiny black plastic...I just wish they would call it what it is ...SHINY BLACK PLASTIC!.
But a Passat lost 30% as soon as the tyres got dirty. Within a year it was down 40% regardless of propulsion method.
@@gordonmackenzie4512 I suspect the depreciation on these will be as steep. Or the way the ID cars have been going a lot more
Agree with piano black it's awful stuff
Passats are similarly priced.
Definitely an improvement on initial IDs but ~£60k seems a little steep. Not sure the tech and efficiency are a match for Tesla quite yet but it's good to see the improvement. I realise that some do like enormous cars but was hoping that the arms race in size could be reversed with efficiency and handling trumping bulk.
Nice looking vehicle, looking forward already to a future review with range report.
Another great review Pete! Have owned VWs and Audis for the last 35 years and have never found them to be anything other than great versatile cars provided you choose the right engine. Am still not convinced with the depreciation of these EVs so would wait a few years, but clearly VW have worked hard to get the ID7 right. Tesla and their Chinese competitors are not making things easy for VW though. Hope you can get to drive one for at least a week. Cheers, Tom
Thanks! 👍
What an Interesting review. Like the side profile not to sure about the rear light bar or front light bar. I think the space in the boot is brilliant and rear passenger seat great the front seat looks comfortable. What I am not to sure on is the big Ipad in the middle I think the people at Volkswagen could of designed it, so it’s integrated into the dashboard and not making the windscreen area smaller. But it good that the driver has there own set of dials for speed range Etc I think I would lean towards a hybrid at the Moment if I was changing. Great review as always Thank you petrol ped
I want to check the LR estate version. IF the range claim is real this may be a finally nice family haulier.
Great review. Would like to see how the interface charger point journey suggestions actually translate to reality, i.e. definitely available/ free in real time and actually working.
I would like to put that to the test 👍
@@PetrolPedThat’s why your channel is so good- very much reality-based. Look forward to it. Thanks.
We're clearly getting towards the end of this 2nd generation of EVs and I'm waiting for the 3rd. The generation with solid state batteries, stuff that will charge in 10 minutes and hold a range of 400+ miles, or less and be lighter / cheaper. It'll be an interesting space from 2025 thru 2030 for sure. Personally for me my eNiro (with it's built in heat pump) is more than enough for everything I do, but I appreciate there's the odd person who wants more and everybody wants a lower screen-price. btw - an aside, eNiros like mine can be had second hand for £16k now - a total steal for a very rounded car. Mine's done 50k miles and has a battery SOH of over 99%.
Great review even with the weather tou encountered. This is a great looking car and im looking forward to test driving this one myself. Im thinking if hanging on thiugh til the larger battery model is released as im self employed and do some serious milage each year, even a car at this price when i calculate the cost of diesel I'm burning will safe me money buying the vehicle on hp
Thanks! 👍
Great review & a very nice car, I shall never own one, or any electric vehicle due to the prohibitive price! £60k...wow.
Most regular working people will be priced off the road, Unless electric vehicle prices drop substantially....I shall be holding on to my 2019 Vitara for many years to come 👍
I drive an ID5 at the mo which has the same battery size albeit with the 150 motor @174 bhp which is ok and easy to drive but the bame changer as you pointed out the provision for the charging stops /stations would enable the car to be a game changer ,i wonder if volkswagen would allow this to be installed even as a at cost option on the previous ID cars which would make them more sellable in the future,ps i used a Tesla supercharger for non teslas the other week and apart from being cheaper cost was also easier than others 22:43
Good question. It really is very good 👍
From my perspective (as an ID4 driver) it's the battery preheating when navigating to a charger on the ID7 that is really the game changer, particularly in winter. The integration of charging with navigation is already part of the existing software on the ID4 - and it is a bit mixed TBH, particularly if there are particular networks that you want to avoid.
.23 CD very impressive, but the actual drag is more important, i.e. front area * CD, actual drag would be a better measure. Having said that the saloon / hatch type car will always be better for range and efficiency. Nice looking car though.
It will be interesting to see what the Audi version of this car is like, will at be the next A6?
However, I think it’s looking expensive in a world were you can get a BYD Seal for less money and it has AWD and north of 500bhp.
Actually the panoramic roof is not electrochromic but based on liquid crystal materials in a polymer matrix (PDLC)
I find it interesting that there is an accepted train of thought now that when a car's new price is mentioned, the majority of commentators say it will probably be leased or financed. Has this allowed motor manufacturers to steadily increase the price of cars knowing that really it is about the monthly payment for most customers.
I think that has certainly played a part but talking to manufacturers the big challenge with EV is the cost of manufacture 😬
I've just had finance refused due to where I work, and for only about a fifth of the purchase price (and about a tenth of my salary).
Dread to think what their response would be if I'd asked to lease a new car!
I liked to head up display. Serious question, will I ever see one out on the road?
A good move by VW I think.
86Kw option has range of up to 460 miles in summer city traffic. 235 miles in winter on a motorway.
77Kw option has range of up to 420 miles in summer city traffic. 210 miles in winter on a motorway.
All according to EVDatabase.
Used 6 month old values are around £42K at the moment, so some bargains to be had!
Thanks for the review Pete. Do you think it would be possible to add on estimated waiting times for these new vehicles? I am sure that it would make a difference between 6-8 weeks or 9-12 months. Thanks once again.
If your thinking of buying a new electric vehicle don’t unless you can put through a business or are prepared to lose a fortune on residuals..sorry for being blunt.
Good question 👍
Or you could lease one and not have to worry about it’s value at the end of the lease as you hand it back to the leasing company who has to face the depreciation problem. Note LEASE not PCP. There are plenty of lease companies now doing personal leasing as well as business leasing.
Already one on Autotrader with £603 discount from VW dealer
OK, with regards to the charging network being in the satnav. You know that's already part of all ID cars? I have a MY22 ID3 with v3.2 software, and am able to plot a route to the South of France if need be and not have to touch ZapMap or ABRP. Have none of the motoring journalists actually seen the current V3.2+ software on the ID models? While the interface is slightly different and admittedly not as quick, my MY22 ID3 is able to do everything with regards to routing as is seen in this video. I'm able to see all chargers in the satnav with live updates. I'm able to only choose chargers with more than x stalls if need be. I'm able to filter by 50Kw or more if need be. I'm also able to see all charger statuses within the map area even if I'm not navigating anywhere
I recently drove from Macclesfield to Ilford. After 30 mins of driving the satnav announced I could make the journey with no charging (thank you Pennines!) after initially thinking I'd need to charge, so removed charging from the route. Automatically.
Conversely, on the reverse journey, the weather was atrocious. The satnav automatically sensed I was using more energy and started routing me to closer chargers.
My point is, this already happens in ID cars and it's frustrating to see journos missing this.
By the way, excellent video as always. I really want an ID7 but I'm happy with my ID3 :-)
Completely right. 3.2 software on my ID4 does this already.
Is it correct that to charge a EV to say 70 kw you actually have to input approximately 10 percent more to reach the rateable limit , as the loss is due to leads and heat loss ect, when charging?
Great review!
Is there any reason why most manufacturers omit cover on rear arm rest cup holders?
No idea 🧐😂
I thought they were dropping the hapticfest steering wheel. Great review of an interesting car.
They have on the facelift Golf 👍
@@PetrolPed Yep, looking forward to seeing reviews of the 8.5 Golf R, hope they send it State side.
A really special & interesting vehicle good review 👍👍👍
Thank you! 👍
See if you can get the estate for your long term review - would love to see you go to the alps and back like you did with the big landrover. Wagons need a bit of love in this day and age - which is weird because they have to be more efficient than SUVs as they dont have the massive forehead catching wind.
I’d love to do that 👍
Wagons are dead, and they're not coming back. At least that's true here in North America.
Yay! Not a suv! Really nice! That’s an ev I could really aspire to owning! It’s a massive hatchback similar to a saab 9000. ❤
Was going to say the back end has a strong late 90s early 2000s Saab vibe about it
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hmm, interesting.... still not sure if enough to renew for another electric car soon, although it did look comfy and im all about that these days, hope you get an extended test in that and the one thats exciting me last 2 days....the new macan (porsche)
Watched with earbuds and was shocked by the road noise for such an expensive car.
The mics pick up so much. It’s not that noisy in real life 👍
Yes, the road noise and suspension is the downfall, see my comment below also.
A cursory glance through Auto-Trader shows you can have a Rolls Royce Phantom for little more. It has suffered the bulk of its depreciation, and I'm darned certain which I would rather own.
Current car is a 2018 Audi S4.
The ID.7 costs 25% more to go the same distance, slower. I know it's the future but I'm struggling to see how the future is better.
The latest Cabbies DREAM
It's like magnolia paint. Bland. Perfect for people who do not like cars and just need transport.
Finally a car that I would consider looks great.
Good review for time you had.
Its easier to make a car that's 5 meters long look classy and swoopy than a compact hatch.
Thank you! 👍
Would you mind trying ACC + LKA please?
Another interesting film. The car not for me but if the range in the real world stands up to the claimed figures it augers well for the future of longer journeys being possible with minimum charging stops in future cars from other manufacturers.
A word of wisdom, manufacture estimates NEVER equal to real-world. At best, you'd get 80% of what they claim. That was true of ICE, and its still true for EVs.
It's getting better but still not convinced by electric only, hybrids are still the way to go, for now! It is a very good alternative to a Tesla but the supercharger network is still way more convenient.
Hi Ped A good launch review I must say it looks a nice car. I’d prefer a plug in hybrid rather than a full EV it be the best of both worlds. When you get one for a longer period it be great to see how it actually performs real world and if the sat nav charger interface works in real usage as good as it appears to be
Will do 👍
... also the worst of both worlds. i.e. you have all the mechanical complexity plus the ev side of it which means there's more to go wrong and the ICE bits will start to cause trouble eventually where an electric car might just keep on going. Your use case may require it but I'm just trying to point out that there are tradeoffs in everything.
Looks a great electric car and great honest review 🤙 when are they available in the uk ?? When is the big battery one due for release ??
Now and by the summer I think 👍
Nice looking car and it sounds, from your initial drive, rather good.
Way out of my league financially but your price comparison between the VW and an electric Corsa makes an excellent point.
How does the ID7 compare for quality, spec and price with Tesla equivalent?
Look forward to learning you have one on a longer term. D
Thanks 🙏🏻
As they advise you should only charge the battery up to 80% I think they should also advise the range accordingly. In other words whatever they say first knock off that 20% and then another 10% for lights, wipers, air-con etc and even that will depend on the weather as the battery will lose charge if it is too cold or too hot.
There is no issue charging to 100% if you need it. The total battery capacity is always more than the useable size.
Lights & wipers and other smaller electrical drives don’t use power form the main battery
@@SDK2006b That doesn't alter the fact that the manufacturers "advise" (which is what I said) charging up to 80% or it can shorten the life of the battery. Petrol and diesel consumption figures are still not what you will necessarily achieve but at least they don't say only fill up to 80%. Until the range of these EVs are independently checked under all conditions, observing long-term warnings, I will take them all with a large 'pinch of salt'.
I'd love the long range single motor Polestar 2 with its reported range of 406 miles.... but, will it really do that or is it just hypothetical?
@@mda5003 - sure 👍🏻
I ran a Polestar 2 for 3 years and it was a great car. They have improved the efficiency on the recent model so I would image 350ish miles achievable when it’s not Winter.
the main battery charges the 12volte battery . @@SDK2006b
But that’s NOT what they say. Charging to 80% is the most time efficient way to charge, especially when on a trip using public infrastructure. They is no reason why you can’t charge to 100% 🤷♂️
Have they stated the expected degradation per year / by distance, and battery replacement cost? I've been looking at new cars lately and even with PHEV/MHEV I've been asking the questions, sometimes they turn white as a sheet. I don't like the great big tablet stuck to the dash but sadly it affects so many cars now. Even Land Rover Discovery Sport no longer has climate controls.
I'm with you on the big tablets in every car now. Looks horrendous and cheap. What happened to nice dashboard? I don't want to be sitting at an office desk in my car but have a nice driver's experience.
@@MotorScottiIn some reviews you can plainly see them reflecting light from outside and becoming hard to read, operating a smartphone in a moving car is (rightly) illegal, and somehow they're getting away with burying all the controls in a fiddly touchscreen. I don't know a single driver who likes having every little thing in a touchscreen, it's just a cynical cost saving being marketed as an 'operating system'. Just give me a few buttons and dials for the things I want regularly, it's not much to ask.
The battery has an 8 year 100,000 miles warranty 👍
Not really range anxiety but charger anxiety is the new one due to reliability issues and how accurate is the status info guess it depends on charge point operator and how they integrate to in car nav and charging apps and what the definition of 'up' is. Mind you if it was a site with all of one charger manufacturer, starting with letter 'T' that Ionity uses alot of then I would not trust what the nav says for chargers being 100% up.
Great to see a Saloon, an estate would be nice.
Coming soon 👍
Hi PP. Well, Herbie has changed lol 🤪🤪🤪🙂🙂🙂👍🇬🇧
Old topic, but you drive a lot of vehicles every year. How hard is it find the controls on the tablets in each car? Maybe a short piece on your experiences working with HMI? Would be interesting to us mechanical luddites. 😅
It can be tricky. On this launch we actually had a one to one session with a product expert to walk us through the system 👍
@@PetrolPed your average joe isn't gonna have that experience on the seond hand market.... That's what annoys me about a lot of these cars. Yes, the tech is fancy and and impressive, but without expert guidance, it would take an age to learn everything. Your typical secondhand dealer or car supermarket aren't gonna upskill their staff on all the different manufacturers infotainment systems to demo them to people!
I hope all those systems controlled by the infotainment system work better than in my Cupra Formentor, numerous software updates but it can still throw a wobbler at any time.
Not good 😢
Not sure what is going on with vw design for EVs, it seems that they are so focused on the range / efficiency that they have forgotten to actually design an attractive car
What a great review in a negative world about EV vehicles, that makes you want to buy this vehicle.
Thanks very much 🙏🏻
Really impressed.
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Optional towing hook. Oooh I see the option for another electric car towing test.
Already talked to VW about that. Coming soon 👍
Getting closer to a usefull range for our country (OZ). Cheers and thanks.
Glad to help 👍
Welcome to soggy MK lol! There are some nice B road routes near where you went, out Newton Longville way, should have gone a wee bit further out! Although to be fair that tank of a car is probably not up for B road blasting. Way too big for my liking but at least it wasn't another effing SUV.......nearly, but not quite.
Next time! We didn’t have a huge amount of time.
I'm a ice person, however if I had the money the space and the charging facilities at home I think that's a really good car
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As good as it sounds, it's cost prohibitive for it's largest target audience (regional sales personnel) the old Passat crew if you like. The estate version would be interesting at 50k for a decent company car spec (equipment levels at Enyaq iv 85 mid range would suffice).
At least in Germany Leasing price für Business starts at 444€,which is almost a bargain in this Segment...List price does not matter at all.
Evening Ped. The big question ID owners want to know is: are the temperature and volume sliders on the infotainment screen now illuminated!!?
Do we? 😂 They are illuminated as they’ve removed the gesture control sensors.
Most ID owners moan about the lack of battery preconditioning. This finally has it.
Totally different design. I thought they worked really well 👍
I have an ID.4 and I moan about the fact that the temperature and volume controls are not backlit. So much about the ID.3/4/5 that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Seems VW has finally got its act together with the ID.7? Although, a heat pump should be standard.
@@beano6452 100% the heat pump should be standard. I’d never pay £1k for as it’s hard to justify at the time of purchase. But adding 20-30 extra miles in the winter would be helpful on a long run.
@@ma40the RUclips channel "Battery Live" checked the difference...only 20km Difference...not even worth to think about wasting 1k for this.
Thankfully this is not Standard and added to the base price.
VW have finally go their life together and produced a compelling family saloon EV car... I felt the other ID's weren't great but this one looks very good and the range is what most people will look for. The sat nav, interactive charger intelligence etc is a real game changer. I will considering one of these when my car is up fore renewal. What other similar cars can boast a range of the ID7? Well done Pedro, another first class review.
Yep 👍
Oh wait a minute! It has similar interior space to my 2008 Astra Estate! 😯
The only people who will buy this will be on PCP and the secondhand values will plummet like a stone. I would never spend my own money to purchase a car like this. You EV fan boys crack on. Good luck, I think you're going to need it.
As normal for this Kind of Business Cars.
My Passat GTE was at 70K List price and I bought it for 50% after only 13k km and 9 month usage by VW itself.
This Cars are at 90% least in first usage at Business...only a very small amount is bought new from private users at all.
I’d like to see you try and get it through a multi story car park chicane without damaging it
I wouldn’t want to try 😂
They need to do an estate version
Coming soon 👍
Thanks Phd for an interesting and thorough review, as always. After their cheating over diesel-gate I just couldn't consider a VW but that's just me. This looks like a fine car with a much improved interior and software than the early ID models...but no heat pump as standard at that price?...C'mon VW!
The Heat pump is a deal breaker!
Check "Battery Live" an experienced VW ID Driver, who owns an ID7...only 20km Difference...not even worse to think about wasting 1k for this.
Thanks god it is an Option and not added automatically to the base price.
Interesting, so you were OK buying them after they made cars for the SS in WW2 but dieselgate was just a ‘goose’ step too far?
Do we finally have a good Model 3 Contender?Cheers Pedro 👍😉💪
Yes we do 👍
Surely it would be more slippery if it was the same height as a normal saloon? It's nearly 6 inches taller than a 3 series, A4 etc. If it was lower and sleeker surely it helps with drag?
This just in, people like tall cars. Hence, SUVs.
I get 260/270 miles from my Q4. The extra range in this is seriously impressive, will deffo consider it next, if the 86kw version is out then even better.
I also have an HMI in my car, although I call it a steering wheel 😄
😂😂😂
My question is what charge plug is on it?
CCS 👍
Read legroom doesn't seem as good as a Skoda Superb and a 2.0 Diesel Superb has a range close to 900 and 800 if driven sharply at times. Good to see this VW finally getting a better centre screen as definitely the early version was very low tech and slow for a car of high cost..
It's the same old problem with charging. It's not a case of having to wait 15 minutes to charge to 80% or less, the anxiety comes with not being able to GUARANTEE the charging station is not only working but able to charge at the fullest rate and the other thing is guaranteeing that it's actually working when you get there and not broken or the payment system is down or needs a specific phone app etc etc. That's why hybrid cars are currently the only option right now. The charging infrastructure is appalling currently
From my experience over the last year the charging infrastructure has improved hugely, particularly with the rollout of larger charging hubs. Obviously a lot more investment is required as more people switch to EVs, but even with a relatively small battery (52kWh) I've had no problem charging on some long road trips over the past 12 months.
@@michaelridley2864 the problem is that NOBODY wants to take ownership, the maintenance, the new installations of the infrastructure. The Government has given laws to push EV's yet doesn't want to sort out the charging infrastructure. Even though they could enforce it by law to the operators of these companies. They have money in oil, they are all hoping it fails whilst looking like they care about the environment.
Brilliant review but the price 😷 even for high spec car
When comparing aero performance CdA is more important than Cd
I thought that screen looked rather large and complicated to the extent that it could also be a distraction - particularly at night in a dark cabin.
Plenty of similar sized screen out there 👍
Don't know it for the ID7, but in my Passat I can partly switch off, which shows only a watch after this and Fully switch oof until Black...pressing the off switch longer, which usually is used only for Sound off
Another good balanced video Ped, however for me another big miss from VW I’m afraid. £60k is an outrageous cost for an EV with options including £7k for a sunroof and a bit of stying is obscene! A heat pump should be standard and not a £1k option. I can’t see who is going to pay list for this and after the launch hype it will be heavily discounted by dealers. You can get a year old Model Y LR for £36k - £40k which still is in my opinion a far superior car to this with (looks aside), better tech, practicality and range. Given past EV products from the VW group, I suspect the ID7 won’t get anywhere near it’s quoted range. Being generous, the ID7 will be a £32k car after a year, which may present a better proposition. It’s good to see the incorporation of charging stations in the sat nav but the new HMI looks like a stuck on cheap ipad. It will look dated very quickly. I think with more competition in the market now from BYD and others VW really do need to price their vehicles much more competitively. Cost of living crisis aside, the public are much better informed and are not cash cow fools and will not fall for the hype around this and other similarly specced priced EV,s. With Tesla missing it’s last earnings forecast and BYD having a lot of scope to reduce prices due to low manufacturing costs and the general poor uptake of new EV,s by the non company car driving public I can see VW,s competitors reducing list prices again this year. This will be a good thing for the consumer and hopefully a bit of a wake up call for VW!
Yep, the latest VW flop, with other reviewers getting around the 200 mile range.
Will my Id4 get a software upgrade to match the id7?
Not sure 🤔
This ID7 is the first good looking EV I have seen.the front end looks great the rear is a bit square. Tesla build quality is terrible so VW will have German quality build. The range on a full charge sounds amazing. Another few years and EV might be worth buying as the batteries will be better and the charging network in the UK will better.Great review as usual thanks Mr Ped.
Teslas are built in Germany 😂😂😂
Thanks Nick 👍
Very impressive car, good to see VW embracing the future. But I have to say, I'm not keen on this naming system. ID.7 sounds like form you would fill out. Polo, Golf, Caddy, Transporter, these have a more iconic quality to them. Just my opinion anyway.
I agree 👍
A great review Pete , I'm finding it difficult though to understand why VW launch this fab ID7 but still they Re=invent the Passat as an ICE Tourer !! Come on VW do better !
Because they are still able to make a certain percentage of ICE cars so that’s what they are doing 👍
Since they still sell 82% ICEs and only 8% EVs in 2023...
It almost feels like a "Skoda Superb in the back"
Could well be a game changer outside of Tesler 😊