VW ID.7 GTX Tourer | 610km (381 mile) Long Trip Test
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I think you should correct the time for the exact percentage needed. It would standardize this test a little bit more.
The best is to charge the car after the trip to the same percentage you started the trip with. And additionally you should take the product of the total trip time (including recharging) and the total energy needed for the trip. In this way you have an absolute standardized test procedure and you are independent of cars in the future that can cover the whole trip completely without charging!!
Hello hello,
Thanks for this very nice video.
And I now subscribe to your channel.
Can you make a complete video on charging?
It could be great to have this charging curve (which is in real condition) and to try to have a new one, without limit with over temperature.
Thanks!!
Great review. Encouraged by the results as have one on order here in the UK. Did the test car have a heat pump?
@@m.l7222 yes! All ID.7s in Norway come standard with a heat pump 😊
There is a rumour the non heatpump cars don't get that hard thermal throttling, this should be tested.
Battery Life has no heatpump in his ID7.
You should try the Lucid Air Grand Touring then you will have a unbeatable record with 0 minutes charging. The GTX really looks like an awsome car. S6 Avant is double the price.
I think you have to correct them, also the outside temperatures were different. It's really the car i like after my Mazda CX60.
Please correct the time for a better comparison between the cars. Even better if you also correct for temperature like I do in my EV spreadsheet
Thanks for a nice review Kris. I am in the marked for a new car. Coming from the E tron 55 and lately Polestar 2, I have been aiming for Polestar 4. Tested it and was slightly disappointed. Polestar 2 I love, Polestar 4 felt to me more like a Zeekr/Geely Polestar edition. Missing some of the great Volvo heritage in that car. However, seeing your videos on Id7 makes me want to try it, although I am not a massive VW fan. For yourself or a family of 3, would you do the GTX coupe or GTX tourer? Br. Tore
I’d absolutely go for a test drive if I were you!
I like more how the tourer looks. You have the extra space and the range disadvantage is negligible.
Great test! I did a shorter rangetest with this car with som guys from a facebookgroup for ID7 and was also impressed by the effieciency. What do you think about this compared to an I5 touring?
The i5s battery is just way too small for this type of car and the price point. Would NEVER get it.
Ok, but the gtx has 100 km less range than the normal Tourer S...
Not really. With the same tire size it gets a lot less of a difference.
VW states, ID.7 Tourer consumtions 14.2 kWh/100km (2wd) vs GTX (4wd) 16.9kWh/100km. Could you test if consumption is in the real life is really 19% higher?
Not really. The consumption is rated at 12.4 for the sedan and 12.83 for the Tourer (both pro version) The number you mention is the number that include charge loss.
@@evkx He means the difference between 2wd and 4wd, not the difference between Tourer and Sedan. 😉
@@jline3701 that numbers are 13.83 vs 14.73 (Pro S Tourer vs GTX) (6.5%)
@@evkx Seems that Norge's VW 's tekniske-data-id7.pdf' have a bit different 'Blandet kjøring' numbers 14.09 vs 16.65 and range 686 vs 581 i.e. 20%. Can this really be this huge in the real life???
@@jpnurro this is not the consumption numbers. They are the numbers including the charge loss. If you take the rated range of 584km and divide on the 86kWh net battery you get 14.7 kWh/100km. That is the car consumption. The WLTP consumption is a worthless number since it include the charge loss that include a unknow part.
I have had issues with Recharge and would have prefered if you picked Circle K with their 350w chargers and 2-3 percent more.
We get our GTX Tourer in February 😍
Just ordered one 2 weeks ago, need to wait until end of January to receive it because of delays with the panoramic roof. Seeing your videos really makes me impatient 😁😁.
And yes, I think you should correct the charging times, makes all cars the same. Great video!
Fantastic car. Finally a station wagon. Of course, I hope other brands follow the same path, tired of all the SUVs. If it is supposed to be a right vision, you should probably calculate the charging time so that all cars end up at the same percentage, like 5 percent maybe.
Good to see very efficient cars from germany. Compare it to chinese cars please. Some guys still think chines evs are better in efficiency and range
Now I'm even more bummed we don't get this here in the states, great.
Hi Kris,
My Google-Norwegian is very bad but that pile was saying something like “limitation due to sharing” every time you showed a lower speed. And at 170kW it also said “limitation due to charging station”. Only at the beginning of the charging when the car was ramping up it showed the symbol “limitation due to the car”.
I mean that blue icon on the right of the display”.
Can’t say anything, because I wasn’t there, but that car pulls 500A for a while, and those Kempower units have no cooled cables, which means they might struggle to deliver as much power as long as the car needs. 🤷♂️
Having said that, I think the time achieved was incredible, but for a record time you will need the RWD version with the std. 19” wheels and not those open wheels.
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BTW, looking forward to see how the PPE cars(Q6, A6 Avant) with only RWD perform.👍👍
It said "shared power", but the station can output at least 600kW, so at most there was me and a Model Y charging. So at no point where we close to the station limitation. It also said "limited by the car", which is why I think there was thermal throttling because of the car.
These newer Kempower stations which are rated at 200/400kW have water cooled cable and can deliver 500A no problem. It's only the old stations that are limited to 125kW.
@@KrisRifayou should be right there, as I’ve said I wasn’t there so I only got small pieces of information but not the whole picture. Nevertheless it felt strange, as I hadn’t seen such a behaviour on an ID.7 yet, nor on my own car nor on other YT videos. But keep up with the good work, your videos are always worth watching.
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@@e-redj me neither! So I don’t think this should be an issue for this car. Thanks mate 🤩
17:20 "Maks effect på läder" means maximum speed of charger, and then you claim thermal throttle and there is text "delt effect" which means shared charging so other car was limiting speed not heat. So most likely this charging station max 600 kW comes from 3 x 200 kW
@@mr.wizeguy8995
"maks effect på lader"
Max power of the charger is 200kW for 400V batteries, or in this case looks like 204kW. That message indicates that we are at peak power delivery, which is fine since the car peaks at that speed anyways. That does not explain why the speed dropped to 111kW.
"delt effekt"
This message came up when another car started charging at the station. As you see on the video I am the only car charging, and at most another Model Y was charging at the station. This message indicates that max power is being split between two cars, but since the station most likely at least can deliver 600kW. This message won't affect the peak the car can get of 200kW. A Model Y can peaks below 200kW at non Tesla Superchargers. I was also getting 200kW+ when that Tesla was charging in the background, so obviously that was not a limiting factor.
"kjøretøybegrensinger"
Vehicle limitations is the message I saw (and also shown later) when the speed dropped to 111kW. At this point in time I was THE ONLY car at this charging station. This is why I believe this was thermal throttling. Another indication that the battery may have been hot when connected is the fact that there was not need to manually precondition the battery prior to charging, as shown in the minutes before I connected.
If you have to choose, what’s your choice: Tesla Model 3, BMW i4, VW ID7, Polestar 2 LRSM or Tesla Model Y? 🤔
ID7 and I4 are so much more expensive..... I've chosen the Model Y. 50k for a fully loaded LR RWD. Comparable ID7 or I4 would be 65k here in NL. That's almost a second hand 2019 Model 3 SR+ in between (18-19k nowadays)....
Hey, great video as always, about the throtteling i think that can have something to do with the cooling of the charging cables. I think Bjorn had kind of the same problem in his 1000km challange when not charging on Ionity.
@@dablo8250 these chargers can handle 200/400kW no problem and have cooled cables. I made a video about these charges at Kempower last year.