@@SpiritualAtheist Alice did not feel encouraged to ask any more questions about it, so she turned to the Mock Turtle and said “What else had you to learn?” “Well, there was Mystery," the Mock Turtle replied, counting off the subjects on his flappers, "Mystery, ancient and modern, with Seaography; then Drawling - the Drawling-master was an old conger-eel, that used to come once a week: he taught us Drawling, Stretching, and Fainting in Coils."
Nice to hear from Jeff! I think Brett Stine's demonstrated pretty clearly how deep Allan went into building with Messiaen modes, ear or no. Cheers Jeff, Samo, all! Best, Daniel
Sorry, but i think Jeff is talking bullshit here. Allan, besides having the greatest ears, for sure did know what he was doing! He learned loooot’s off scales and find all those chords within them, worked out unique fingerings to be able to play those blistering lines, etc… Just watch his “Just for the curious” vid where he talks about some of the scales he worked on and how he thinks about chords derived from those scales. Also his early playing was already unique and advanced. Listen to how he played with the Pat Smythe trio in the 70’s.
Gotta agree with you, Allan did huge study and created his own system very early on. Also his early playing, whilst different, was still devastating, just listen to Hazard Profile. I love Jeff, but he is wrong on this one.
Hey. Just wanted to say I watched you guys play in a small club in Baton Rouge (I think) in the early 80s. Probably the Road Games tour. I recall Wackerman was on drums. Pretty sure Paul Williams was there too. It was a double bill with Steve Morse (fresh from The Dregs) with Rod on drums and Haslip on bass. I've seen a lot of shows in my day and that was easily the best. Anyway, I remember standing right in front of the stage that seemed to be about eye level and I looked to my side and Morgenstein was standing next me enjoying the show along with the rest of us. Good times.
This reminds me of Van Gogh, who refused to paint in oils until he learned how to paint with watercolors, and he refused to paint with watercolors until he learned how to draw.
Is it true that Allan Holdsworth replaced Jeff Berlin with Jimmy Johnson on bass because Holdsworth was unhappy with Berlin's playing? There was commenter on a youtube video that said that and he based on some boom he read which he quoted from. I always thought Berlin was the best bassist that played for Holdsworth.
No - it's because some of his then band members and Berlin didn't get along with each other. He didn't want things to devolve into rancor so that's why.
My favorite was Bruford’s “One Of A Kind”. I wore that record out.
Yessss one of the best
@@SamoSalamonMusic “Hells Bells”
@@luke125 yesssss... amazing
Fainting in coils. 👍
@@SpiritualAtheist Alice did not feel encouraged to ask any more questions about it, so she turned to the Mock Turtle and said “What else had you to learn?” “Well, there was Mystery," the Mock Turtle replied, counting off the subjects on his flappers, "Mystery, ancient and modern, with Seaography; then Drawling - the Drawling-master was an old conger-eel, that used to come once a week: he taught us Drawling, Stretching, and Fainting in Coils."
If You Can't Stand The Heat 🤯🤯
Water On The Brain Pt 2
He and Holdsworth were Magic together = 2 absolute Beastly players. oNe LovE from NYC
Yesssss
Thanks to Samo for doing this, and thanks to Jeff for talking! I only wish this clip was longer!
Txxx...yeah nice one with Jeff...could listen to him way loooonger too ;)
Wow, Jeff's 70 ...and not a grey hair on his head 😄😄😄
Very interesting, what he says about everyone's journey of developing any identity. Thanks!
Yeah very nice to hear that!!!
Nice to hear from Jeff! I think Brett Stine's demonstrated pretty clearly how deep Allan went into building with Messiaen modes, ear or no. Cheers Jeff, Samo, all! Best, Daniel
Sorry, but i think Jeff is talking bullshit here. Allan, besides having the greatest ears, for sure did know what he was doing!
He learned loooot’s off scales and find all those chords within them, worked out unique fingerings to be able to play those blistering lines, etc…
Just watch his “Just for the curious” vid where he talks about some of the scales he worked on and how he thinks about chords derived from those scales.
Also his early playing was already unique and advanced.
Listen to how he played with the Pat Smythe trio in the 70’s.
Gotta agree with you, Allan did huge study and created his own system very early on. Also his early playing, whilst different, was still devastating, just listen to Hazard Profile. I love Jeff, but he is wrong on this one.
Hey. Just wanted to say I watched you guys play in a small club in Baton Rouge (I think) in the early 80s. Probably the Road Games tour. I recall Wackerman was on drums. Pretty sure Paul Williams was there too. It was a double bill with Steve Morse (fresh from The Dregs) with Rod on drums and Haslip on bass. I've seen a lot of shows in my day and that was easily the best. Anyway, I remember standing right in front of the stage that seemed to be about eye level and I looked to my side and Morgenstein was standing next me enjoying the show along with the rest of us. Good times.
This reminds me of Van Gogh, who refused to paint in oils until he learned how to paint with watercolors, and he refused to paint with watercolors until he learned how to draw.
If your not guided by your ears you have no imagination
Is it true that Allan Holdsworth replaced Jeff Berlin with Jimmy Johnson on bass because Holdsworth was unhappy with Berlin's playing? There was commenter on a youtube video that said that and he based on some boom he read which he quoted from. I always thought Berlin was the best bassist that played for Holdsworth.
Dont know actually. Berlin was quite busy at the time as well...
No - it's because some of his then band members and Berlin didn't get along with each other. He didn't want things to devolve into rancor so that's why.