Psychologist on Amber Heard's Borderline Personality Disorder
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- Опубликовано: 25 апр 2022
- Amber Heard's mental health was a main topic of testimony in court on Tuesday. Dr. Shannon Curry, a clinical and forensics psychologist hired by Johnny Depp's legal team amid his ongoing defamation trial against his ex-wife, testified that she diagnosed Heard with borderline personality disorder and histrionic personality disorder.
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I absolutely love seeing scientists throw facts in the faces of people who have agendas.
One of the most satisfying things. I agree
@@lHomelanderI It's orgasmic
@@DZ-yk2ew AH willingly saw this therapist.
@@DZ-yk2ew So let me get this straight, you say that the DSM- V is outdated, can you use the DSM-VI, oh wait is not out yet so is clearly that you are not a doctor and don't understand how you diagnose a phychiatric disorder and what tool are approved at the time of miss AH evaluation was performed.
@@DZ-yk2ew I agree with you, the study of human behavior never stop, and we learn things every day, but let me ask you a simple question do you know what tools are use to diagnose a psychiatrist condition. I'm sure is not the studies that you are talking about. I invited you to read the guidelines of the American Psychiatric Society and then you can have a no bias opinion in the matter.
I sooo love this woman! She's honest, she's sharp, she's determined and nobody can get her out of step! That's professionalism and knowing how to do your job!
She's a psychologist and she works with celebrities...so she's gonna be sharp and intelligent ....but honesty can be rare
why leave out beauty
@@elmalloc because it has absolutely zero relevance in this case?
Yep, now that is hot. Nothing sexier than sharp and successful women :)
imagine jordan peterson doing it... he would bring them to total silence...
I think she’s the best witness in this case
I love her too
She clarified that trauma is present sometimes with borderline personality disorder and that there are some with BPD, who have had no childhood trauma. She was incredibly specific, rather than making a blanket claim. She did not say that trauma can't cause it, but rather that they do not have evidence currently to prove that childhood trauma does cause it, as there are people with no childhood trauma who have BPD. She was also careful to say, "childhood trauma." She was not incorrect in her statement.
@@DZ-yk2ew she did not say ‘no, never’. It was the lawyer that said that and she was quick to clarify that it was not ‘never’ but at times BPD can exist without childhood trauma. Go back and watch
Her and that personal assistant/house manager who was on the stand the other day. He was fantastic aswell. So pro.
I’m pretty sure it’s a large part of her job as a forensic psychologist to be a witness.
She got it all, brains, beauty, confidence, and precision in speech.
Amen. And a true turn on. She oozes sexy!
@@lilbench5834 it's about the psychiatrist not the lawyer 🙄
@@sarahhamia6471 it was a joke sarah
@@talhasaleh6391 oh ok 😅hard to figure it out when most people make dumb comments...
@@lilbench5834 calm down 💀 she's just doing her job normally as a psychologist, she ain't no goddess
She did really well on the stand, she really knew her stuff and honestly just made her lawyers look and sound completely stupid. She really had that lawyer getting mad & down right rude even to the judge. But then again every witness so far has had her lawyers looking dumb and asking dumb questions. 😂
I thought the doctor looked baffled when she was caught out on many occasions and stumbled bumbled her way through. She started smooth and ended very rough.. looks like heather Lockear. I wonder since she is so hot, I f she has borderline personality disorders of any sought. She said it’s mostly the princess types.. I’m not sure which one would be safer, Amber or the doctor.. they both seem dangerous to me. Going to his house and having dinner and drinks there is a worry for the Depp team. Her bringing up Amber hitting her friend for no reason out of the blue, when she in fact knew that the friend hit Amber first.. that’s a full blown no no.. she started so good and was so look at me me me I am the pro here.. she ended up looking like she just woke up out of bed with a hangover.. flustered is the perfect word for her.
Amber's lawyers usually seem very much on the defense.
NARC DELUSION they are the defence 😂.
@@stevenprice6957 I knew someone would said that. True, Amber's lawyer is defending Amber, the defendent in the case. The defending lawyer, is defensive while defending the defendent. 😂
NARC DELUSION lol yeah ok I’ll pay that one.. I’m from Aussie land and you gave me a midnight laugh. Nice work 👌
Amber's lawyer is so embarrassing - her questions are so grinch worthy. She just want to throw her under the bus so unprofessional.
well when the lawyer is representing the wrong-doer, and then tries to box in the psychologist in such a cliche way, and that psychologist is used to speaking on the stand...the lawyer is gonna end up looking exactly like you said lol.
@@f4phantom2500 yeah but she is especially inept and the fact that they straight up pulled up a post from the UK case and cut off the date it was posted to say it was posted during this case so they could dismiss a witness testimony is another level of crooked.
@@Altmetalpunk that's like some cartoon villain level shit right there.
Cringe not gringe my friend! Absolutely - she was embarrassing.
She does Amber no favours with her abrasive and sometimes ignorant way of doing things. She also tends to shout into the microphone and talk over witnesses. Rottenberg is not much better. Maybe the legal team IS a reflection of their client. 🤔
The way she fakes writing to keep her composure in high stress moments, and to appear unreadable by the members of the court, are honestly quite brilliant.
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Who?
@@beefortebrea9386 Amber, of course. She's always scribbling during tense moments. Maybe she's really writing notes about what's happening, who knows?
... I sense a book coming out to pay for the legal costs ...
@@tarabooartarmy3654 Imagine if all that note-taking, actually turned out that she was sketching something... ✒🤣 and wasn't paying attention...
It’s somewhat amusing how Amber’s lawyer tries to bait the psychologist into saying that she is biased. The level of incompetence of the defense is just unbelievable. How these lawyers even passed the BAR exam, is a puzzle in itself.
Maybe they cheated. Wouldn't surprise me
I'm starting to suspect the secretly despise Amber Heard too. I mean, it does seem like a majority of people who get to know her beyond a superficial level do seem to dislike her.
Even though her legal team is obviously biased.
The BAR is easy
I'm surprised there was no objection to that question, it was just plain absurd.
This psychologist is going to have way more clients than before.
This woman is chewing AH lawyer up ,and spitting her out where she stands. I love it!
@David Wang ok ? 😂 good for you hun
@@alydominguez1501 calm down baby cakes
Omg
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@Nicholas garrick...😂💪👍🙏
This woman is a rockstar. Wow! She was exceptional on the stand. I watched the whole thing.
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Yes
Me 2 times
Even the chat slowed down. People just listened to her. Me too, of course.
This woman is fit for Mr depp...
Just want to clarify. My sister has borderline personality disorder, her moods and behaviors are unstable at times but she is always the sweetest non-violent person in the room.
Thank you so much for sharing this. I also have bpd and it feels like everybody is hating on everybody who has it, they are forgetting that it doesn't make a person violent, I'm also very angry and full of hate when I'm out of control but I'd never hurt anybody physically or mentally.
My mom has it .
Severe one.
Since last 18 yrs.
She had never hurted anyone around us.
Never ever
Infact she had tried to hurt herself during the manic episodes. But never ever hurt any one else.
Infact in most of the cases a bipolar person is so confused in their own world ( at the time of episode) that the chances of hurting some else is less but the chances of hurting themselves is high.
I seriously 😒 doubt amber over this.
@@littlenightmare3481 yes i can feel you dear.
Take care:)✌️🙂
@@aayushisharma8875 thank you you too :)
@@aayushisharma8875 Careful confusing Bipolar Disorder with Borderline Personality Disorder: although they can sometimes “come together”, they are two different disorders.
The lawyer really thought she could put words in the doctor's mouth. 🤣
Forreal and then insulted her on her integrity and credentials
lawyers being lawyers...and a scientist who's used to being questioned by lawyers being a scientist who's used to being questioned by lawyers - clearly by now she has trained her brain to step back, rephrase and shoot down the bullshit narratives that the lawyers try to continually pedal. it's kinda fucking disgusting to be honest, no wonder lawyers get a bad reputation.
Yeah well the spunky doc was nice and cool and classy early.. she was frazzled later on.. caught in a few wrong turns and had to go back and reverse a few times, which wasn’t great for team Depp if I’m being honest.. I’m not sure which of these hot blondes would be more of a dangerous partner.. I reckon the doc would be extremely hard work also. Anyway Johnny has a huge fan club but I’m not sure he’s going to come out with his 50 million he desires.. it might well end up in an ugly draw and I ask, who is the winner then? We have 2 crazy people fighting in front of the world.. one is a deranged man and the others is a complete and utter nutter. Both their careers are done and dusted to the point of no return. It will be a future movie though 🤣
She tried to play the Doctor and the Doctor played her
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As someone who suffers from BPD, Amber Heard's fame scares me. Us cluster b's already get enough shit about us all being manipulative, emotionless abusers. It's only going to get worse with one actual abuser in the spotlight. Believe me, she deserves everything she gets but those of us who struggle daily to keep ourselves in check don't.
Please don't assume everyone with a PD, especially cluster b's, are all abusive. We're not, we don't want our brains to be doing what they're doing either.
BPD is like having a little voice is your head, pointing out every flaw of your loved ones, insulting them, getting you to hate them for no reason. It's also a lot of desperation for attention and approval, not knowing who you really are, so you attach yourself to anyone you think positively of and taking their traits on yourself. When they leave, it's devastating. When we split on people, it hurts. It's frustrating. Having breakdowns feels like you're going to actually die from pure stress. If you're on good terms with someone with BPD, remind them that they're brave today. Feeling so inhuman is damaging.
I had BPD. Now I dont have it anymore. I am completely cured and have a life full of hope and beauty now. Also, I don't see people as source of meaning and / or happines anymore and have a stable identity. Also I Have stable relationships and no more intrusive thoughts in my head. I can hear the silence now. The cure is Jesus, I know some people dont want to hear that, but it is true.
Thank you!. The average viewer is more than likely (and I have already witnessed this) going to interpret this information incorrectly, most definitely! I am 53 and was only just diagnosed in 2020.. after years of living with Anxiety and ADHD (consciously). There IS a lot of stigma (around a LOT Of mental health diagnoses ) and it is unfortunate. I am hoping that this will help "normalize" the conversation around Trauma and Trauma informed diagnoses and mental health issues in society rather than just stigmatizing them and creating more fear and anger. . We have already been through that. No, that does not mean having a mental health issue is an "excuse" for "bad behavior" or abusing anyone but it is complex and harrowing to navigate these issues.... sigh.. and this is SUCH a public trial as well. good grief.
It’s also important to note that there are mass variations among different people with BPD. There are 9 symptoms over all and you need a minimum of 5 of them to meet the criteria for diagnosis. This means that there are about 256 possible configurations. We’re different. Some of us internalise our pain. For example, the ways that I negatively affect my environment is causing others worry that I’ll hurt myself, being annoying with my reassurance seeking behaviours (like apologising too much) and irritating with my constant need to assert my barely existent identity to receive reactions that act as validation of my identity. Like I don’t believe that I am smart (even though to be fair it’s quite obvious), unless I get regular feedback of people acknowledging it. I know this can make others feel stupid or inferior though people who get to know me know I really don’t mean it in that way. But that is the extent of it and I make an active effort to avoid these behaviours. I certainly do not emotionally abuse people and if anything as a victim of emotional abuse myself it really hurts to hear this particular characterisation of BPD especially because one of my abuser’s favourite tactics was shifting the blame (painting me as the bad guy).
Not everyone is the same and also a mental disorder does not define the person, it defines syntoms and characteristics. There are bad people who suffer from mental disorders and good people who suffer those same mental disorders and despite of that thing in common, they can be totally different people and approach their lives differently. As someone who suffered the abuse from a person from cluster B, I can tell you I approach cluster B people with caution because of my own trauma but I try that this caution doesn't prevent me to see the whole person, not just their diagnose.
@@Mon_Free you are 100% right. Jesus cured me of my mental illness also. Let this life go and follow him. Only love and complete healing will come.
I have BPD and saw that Heard was diagnosed. I am pleased she was also diagnosed with HPD because BPD doesn't fully explain her awful behavior. I hope people don't think more poorly than they already do of people like me because of this woman.
In my opinion, society has come a long way in understanding that mental illness or disorder is a health problem. Illness doesnt start at the toes and end at the neck. There is always more education and understanding to go with society but I am sure in another 20 years society will be even more understanding. I really don't think people are thinking ill of people with BPD. If they are, I think it is directed at Ambers behaviour and actions, not her illness. Her illness is giving them clarity as to her behaviour. As people with BPD still know right from wrong and do not suffer delusions, as you would know.
On Twitter and other sites I am reading these concerns from people with BPD. I understand you would feel that way. There are a lot of people reiterating though that BPD can present differently for different people, there are different levels of severity or scale of negative behaviours and emphasing not to blame a person for a mental illness. I have seen a lot of respect on line today for mental illness and BPD. People's focus is Amber. Don't worry 😃
I was diagnosed with BPD about 15 years ago & my symptoms presented very similarly to Amber’s at that time. Rage/violence was common for me in my closest relationships because of my fear of abandonment. And I was socially savvy like her where no one even realized anything was going on unless they were told. Her case is pretty extreme but so was mine and I sit here today completely free of violence for a decade. It’s not impossible to treat this disorder and I hope she finds relief as I did because otherwise she’ll keep physically pushing the limits until it either kills her or puts her in jail. I am not familiar with HPD but I am sure I recognized the majority of her symptoms of BPD before Dr. Curry ever took the stand.
Fortunately I think it’ll just bring awareness to the disorder and if people listen to the whole testimony from this doctor they’ll realize that she also has the histrionic personality d/o which is honestly what makes amber heard a bad person. Histrionic unfortunately is not a disorder that is something someone can easily come back from or redeem themselves from. Unless people tell her or make her take copious amounts of heavy duty counseling/therapy/psych sessions. Even then it’s not something where someone is like oh yeah that’s what’s wrong with me, that explains it! Now let’s try to reel this in. Like BPD or many other disorders where perhaps there’s not treatment but therapy helps immensely on how to cope at least. From what I’ve gathered it seems like people with HPD don’t care to cope because they’re not the ones with the problem in their eyes, even when they’re being told they are.
I have bpd too and I still dont understand how she was diag of it. She has a npd for suuuureee but i feel like 1. Bpd is still misunderstood and misjudged by professionals and 2. Saying that it is a npd would create a huge scandal, 3. She is an actress ! Ofc she didn't show completly who she is/was she probably manipulate them to think its bpd and not npd
Saying that its bpd seems the best for this situation, even if ppl like us feel like we are even more stigmatized NOW than before
What the actual fuck is that last question. “You can’t be an expert because your opinion isn’t the same as mine.”
That can’t be an actual legally valid question to ask. She’s basically throwing this persons credentials into question. She wouldn’t have BEEN called to testify at all if she wasn’t a professional!!!
I’m genuinely surprised there wasn’t an “Objection” to that question, I’m no lawyer, but there’s no way that was a legally acceptable question to ask. Trying to get someone to throw their own credentials into the dirt like that.
Her, the lawyer, arguments are all logical fallacies under ad hominem (attack the person not the argument). Sadly this form of idiocy has reached this level.
That's okay, lawyers make lawyers look bad, like the one representing Amber.
It's a cheap shot. It's like she only had one chance and she knows she can't argue with the psychologists finding, so attacking the message didn't work, then she attacks the messenger. And I think the jury is smart enough to see right through it
@David Wang yeah lawyers make lawyers no one else does that for them. Are you serious proud of the mockery you make of the justice system, peoples time and money?
I think she's just doing her job, she wants to play with doctor's emotion and twisting the doctor's words.
But yeah that question is nasty as fuck.
I just realised that the female lawyer is using bpd and bipolar interchangeably and that's really annoying
This lady is impressive. She clearly knows her stuff. Heards psychologist looks like someone who would probably say whatever you want her to if the price is right! I'm an RN. That doesnt make me qualified of course to say what is wrong with Amber Heard but we do have to do a psychiatric clinical rotation and nurses spend nearly an entire semester devoted to studying psychiatric illnesses so we can speak with SOME authority about it. Her diagnosis is spot on...Histrionic Personality and Borderline Personality are exactly what I would think too! Heards a TEXTBOOK case if ever there was one.
I work as a mental health nurse, and I call absolute bullshit on Dr Curry's analysis:
For starters:
- Dr Curry is being paid by a rich actor to diagnose highly stigamised mental health disorders in his ex-wife for the purpose of ruining her court case
- Psychologists cannot diagnose mental health disorders, that's what psychiatrists are for. Unlike the former, you simply cannot hire a psychiatrist to gaslight your ex-wife in court because of the obvious conflict of interest
- Dr Curry comes across as confident and well-spoken, which makes her misleading explanations come across as fact (more on that below)
- The higher number of women being diagnosed with BPD is largely due to the fact that men are less likely to seek mental health support for emotional and mood-related problems, and more likely to be misdiagnosed with other disorders (i.e., BPAD) despite meeting at least 5 of the BPD traits. Dr Curry carefully omits these details, despite the psychiatric concensus and emerging literature constantly highlighting this issue
- BPD absolutely is linked to trauma - it simply does not develop without traumas and stressors in childhood and adolescence. Again, this is the psychiatric/medical concensus. Presumably, Dr Curry's denial of same is because she was brought on to attack the possibility of Heard having PTSD
Had Heard hired Dr Curry first, no doubt she'd be standing there confidently "diagnosing" her with PTSD, and elaborating how Depp's 30+ year history of criminal behaviour (i.e., all the assaults and property damage he's been arrested for) and drug abuse meets the criteria for ASPD and SUD
@@rethguals I think you might have mixed something up by accident. Psychologists can diagnose; the thing they can't do is prescribe, which psychiatrists can do.
@@cherokeedove No, I haven't mixed anything up. I am a mental health professional, and have worked across a number of psychiatric services. What I have described, is exactly what these professions do and are for.
Psychologists cannot diagnose mental health disorders. It is not in their scope of practice, and not what they're trained or expected to do. Rather, their diagnostic role is limited to identifying problems a client faces (similar to how nurses make "nursing diagnoses"), and provide psychotherapy and other non-pharmacological interventions to assist them with their recovery.
Psychiatrists, meanwhile, are responsible for making formal diagnoses, prescribing medications, and making referrals to other services and professions. Heck, even a psychiatry registrar or GP are able to make psychiatric diagnoses (to a certain extent), but psychologists are not able to as they are not medical practitioners
She's right to the point and stated she was there specifically to relay factual information on what the results of Amber's diagnosis was and exactly what and how these results came to fruition. She isn't there to "support" either Johnny or Amber. She is a neutral party asked to provide the results and information diagnosed by a certified medical professional
She says Borderline Personality Disorder doesn't have to do with trauma but it does. The people who got this disorder is sensitive to relationship aspects and can be paranoic at feeling or thinking people are hurting them. Its common that people with this disorder revive all past wound or traumas with new people, Amber must not have been hurted by Jhonny Depp, but she must have been by other people, including her care figures.
Something so relieving in hearing a lawyer(anyone really) get shoot down so easily and quickly when trying to convince someone about a topic they don’t know
What a gorgeous woman. Beautiful, intelligent and eloquent. Well done Dr. Shannon Curry.
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Dude Fr like she’s rlly pretty
🤣
Yeah she is pretty but I am in awe with intelligence and rhetoric precision.
Shes pretty in and out. Not like the pretty lady in the defence box. A beauty seems made in heaven but a living hell behind closed doors.
i actually got smarter to know that not all borderline personality disorders have to originate from childhood trauma directly but can be a cause of either environmental influence or genetically transfered behavior, or even neurally developed causes. This not just has given me an answer to a question i had asked myself before, but also seems to now complete the picture on how i might have gotten to my personality disorder itself. Very intriguing. This psychologist also totally pwned the lawyer fully, which ill give big ups to them
Even if it's true that borderline personality disorder can be triggered by trauma, there is no merit in this argument because it could just as easily be genetic. Amber's lawyer is so fucking stupid it hurts.
Well said.
I have BPD, but it never came from a childhood trauma even tho I have been diagnosed with PTSD from later life.
@@lovely7983 actually not. If you had listened carefully, doctor Curry tried to explain very clearly that there is no singular one-size-fits-all clause. That a lot of factors can be involved. One should also keep in mind that if a person is less fortunate in the genetics lottery, that one can be predisposed towards certain behaviors that can be traumatizing as well. Cause and effect can sometimes be hard to pin down. People with both trauma and unlucky genetics have the worst of it. Even so, if someone just mainly faces the genetics and not environmental factors that does not automatically make the genetics less bad.
Reaching the leaking point of the glass, one drop (of a gene), one drop ( of a trauma), and so one, so one… the drop individually doesn’t cause the leak but the conjugation of factors ( environmental and genetic) cause the leak and the mental disorder. This is how a neuro disorder teacher explain to us in college and it made it easier to visualize. And even though different disorders are correlated to a lower or higher genetic percentage (so for instance if your relatives have it you are likely or less likely to have it), in the majority or even in all disorders both factors ( genetics and environmental factors) have an impact
Everyone testifies the same: she is aggressive, he is calm. If Johnny doesn't win this case, I will lose faith in people!
No dumxaxx lose faith in the system not in people!!
People with borderline almost instantaneously feel badly about their poor actions. She doesn’t.
Not true hahaha
They feel
Shame for themselves , hard to say they fully understand empathy
There's no way I would let someone like that defense attorney disrespect me as a professional witness in a court case.
The psychologist is a MUCH stronger and nicer individual than I am. Far more.
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It’s so fascinating to watch her. She is definitely highly professional and knowledgeable. Her security in her filed of study gives her incredible ability to ignore petty, irresponsible remarks designed to unseat or trigger an otherwise uneducated or ill informed expert witness.
@@jgnmtz agree
What made this relationship truly toxic is the fact that’s she’s highly reactionary, looking for a fight or argument to settle her hostility. She craves a reaction from him. He on the other hand is very passive aggressive and would just rather avoid it and won’t give her what she wants. It created an inevitable collision of wills.
Each fight created an even larger chasm between them. Her needing him to react and him needing his space
well said.
This is a relationship between A Borderline personality disorder person and Avoidant personality disorder (Johnny) person
One needing answers and reaction approvals
While other ignoring any sort of quarrel to seek.mental peace
I just hope this doesnt put BPD in a bad light. A lot of people suffering from cluster B disorders aren't bad people, and often hate themselves more than anyone can dislike them for their symptoms. Amber isn't a terrible person because of her BPD, shes a terrible person WITH BPD.
Thank you for this message ❤
Wrong , she’s a a terrible person because of her actions , her actions are a result of her PD . If she didn’t have BPD she wouldn’t split and dissociate and cause behaviours that are destructive and harmful to romantic partners. So yes we can conclude that the BPD is a result of abusive behaviours towards others, but it’s not their fault.
@@bellofigoitaliano5038 respectfully, your comment kinda contradicts itself. I read that you think shes terrible because of the actions her PD causes and then you said it isnt her fault.
As a person with bpd (consequently someone who knows the ins and outs of the disorder), the PD isnt a result of ones actions. Its kinda the opposite like you previously said. PDs are caused by traumatic and difficult childhood and adolescence. The actions are the consequence of having a personality disorder. You dont have one 'because you act a certain way'.
I think amber is a terrible person because she failed to get treated and work on her disorders and continued to get off on toxicity. There are people with bpd (exhibit A) who DO work on themselves and get better at lifing because we know how difficult we can be for other people and ourselves.
Well said!🙏🏾
Yes true, but it is difficult to stay with such a person.
Kudos to her for standing her ground while showing the highest level of professionalism.
Dude, borderline is NO joke. They can be so nice and then manipulative and flip a switch to be astoundingly cruel.
scary
But they’ll always try to convince everyone to focus on them having been traumatized and confuse being empathetic with their tendency to be overly-emotional. Anything to avoid taking accountability for their abusive behaviors towards others. They complain about their illness being stigmatized like there’s no basis for people to be upset with their behavior. it’s considered an anti-social personality disorder for a reason. Imagine if psychopaths complained about the stigma to the same extent and wanted to resolve any responsibility for their harmful actions towards other because they’re mentally ill and likely traumatized as if that makes it justified.
@@kttv9442 Look at the comments here. So many bpd acting like victims
@@kttv9442 bpd isn’t considered an anti-social personality disorder. antisocial personality disorder, is one distinct disorder (what you would refer to as psychopaths or sociopaths). bpd is a cluster b personality disorder. it is nowhere near the same thing.
@@heavenmontalvo441 I was not speaking of ASPD. Antisocial is also an adjective. Where do you think Antisocial personality disorder gets its name? The other cluster B personality disorders all display several kinds of antisocial behavior. That is, behavior that deviates from social norms and values and is hostile/harmful to organized society.
Wow, the psychologist was extremely good, GREAT CLEAR explanation!!👍🏻
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Shannon Curry contradicts herself when asked if trauma can cause BPD. She emphatically says 'no' but then admits that both inherited factors AND trauma can lead to BPD.
I low-key want that psychologist as my attorney
i have BPD and i want yall to know we are absolutely not all like this. bpd is often a result of abuse/neglect and many of us are deeply deeply terrified of becoming the people who hurt us.
No worries with the time it'll get easier...Amber heard is a borderline Psychopath and pure evil there is a huge difference.
I was recently diagnosed 2 years ago, and I understand you. I hope people don't see bpd in a bad light only because of one person.
@@ilikeitimnotgonnacrack9307 That "psychologist" is full of sh*t. She's been hired to make a statement, clearly not to be a professional. I've worked with real Borderline women and NONE are like this lady describes them as.
Exactly! I really hope this doesn't reignite a stigma around BPD, so many of us work so hard to stay stable and even when unstable would never even dream of causing any hurt either physical or emotional to anyone else! As I have always said the only person I'm a danger to is me 😕
My hubby has BPD and it was result of childhood abuse. He is my best friend. I suffer from mental illness as well. He has been in abusive relationships before as well. I think he is absolutely amazing. He treats me like a queen
The sad thing is that we don't even need a psychologist to tell us that Amber Heard suffers from borderline and histrionic personality disorders. It was quite obvious from these hearings.
I've never heard of Histrionic Personality Disorder, is this like saying she's a "clinical case of a Drama Queen"?
@@elliest55 More or less.
@@elliest55 Yes, but also an intense need to be sexually coveted to feel any self worth. Not really that bad compared to BPD and NPD.
@@elliest55 in layman's term, yes
I must say that I do struggle with Borderline personality Disorder but I want to clarify we ARENT all narcissists in addition or abusive and violent. In fact I am an extreme empath and I deal with a lot of internal symptoms self hatred,self distortion of image,self harm etc. Of course I’m not a perfect human being but I honestly have trouble killing a bug let alone cause intentional suffering on a human being🥴😱
It's obvious AH has seriously issues you don't need to be a professional to recognize the traits. Johnny lived with the woman , I think he was in the prefect position to tell that AH had a lots of symptoms.
but he's not in the position to diagnose anyone. which is what he was doing.
No, Borderline Personality Disorder can NOT be caused by adult trauma. It can certainly be exacerbated by it, but if there is trauma at the root it occurred in childhood.
Man, she’s really trying to pull any defense possible to beat this case, isn’t she?
I am very impressed with this therapist, she is incredibly well spoken. With that said, I wonder if she chose to be on this case or was subpoenaed-Could this be a violation of ethics?
I believed she was subpeoned.
@@beyheyhey8470 I spent a lot of time watching the mental health professionals of this case and it seems like none of them were subpoenaed! I wouldn't ever feel comfortable putting myself in that position for such a publicized case. I loved the presentation of Depp's Psychiatrist too!
This woman was very clear and concise. Good decision to bring her to testify 👍
'Yes, but this isn't the most recent version of the test is it?' 'No, but it's the most researched' Nice 😃
What Scaled Score equates to being a fruitcake? ....
whereas in A.H's corner, the attorney is asking the police officer if she had notepad and pencil whilst on duty ....
Whoooo, and that police officer was not there to play either! This poor lawyer can't find anyone to play with her today.
Objection! Hearsay.
I fell a sleep during the officer interview, but the officer was no BS witness. 😅
This lady is an absolute mercenary of truth. Well done.
So many loaded questions from the lawyer and the psychologist shut them down every time. Very satisfying to watch.
Saying trauma has nothing to do with it??? Ridiculous
She answers very smartly and with a lot of composure. This attorney is trying to rattle someone who is trained NOT to be rattled so I feel like she’s (the attorney) barking up the wrong tree and making herself look silly for asking these questions in that fashion. Not to mention, she (the attorney) already knows the answer she’s going to get and it’s not helpful to her case so, why even ask?!
I literally went through the same thing Depp is going through. My ex was borderline. It was the most awful experience of my life.
A lot of us did, I'm 110 kg big man and all the scars on my body except one are made by weman, fuck the violence.
@@emilyakalbun5540 don’t say nightmare it’s not her fault
I also went through it recently and than get false conclusions therapist saying there fine and not getting the proper help
I'm sorry 💔
@@emilyakalbun5540 that’s rude.
Bpd research suggest high element of past trauma
I'm a 34 year old male and I was diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder, unfortunately now known here as "Emotionally Unstable Personality Disorder" which makes me sound crazy. Amber does not reflect all bpd sufferers.
I hope you are doing well.
@@MackDnD Its pretty rough I won't lie. I just fear she's going to exaggerate it into an awful stereotype beginning a whole load of stigma.
Its so refreshing to see a kind comment, Thank you, it means alot.
I hope you're well too 😊
Aye man I hope you’re doing good as well! I have anxiety and ADD, which I know isn’t the same as a personality disorder, but I feel you man. I was never really good in school, was typically a C average student. Thankfully with therapy and approved that I do need medication for my anxiety/ADD, life got easier. My issues aren’t gone but they are more dormant than ever. The mind works in mysterious ways, and I don’t think it’s right to think of someone less because they have a mental disorder. Hope you are doing good, taking care of yourself, seeking help if you need it. :) have a good day man!
Glad to see another male with it i felt so alone
@@gamersens2363 Thank you, it really means alot, I did not expect all these replies. Things are pretty bad right now but I don't want people's pity so I don't talk about it really.
I hope you're doing good, im glad you found something that's working for you 💕
I guess it depends also on whose definition of 'trauma' you go by. Most children experience so much emotional trauma and emotional shut down, yet the average adult in todays world would not recognise it as trauma, they would say it's a normal upbringing. Childhood trauma does not have to be some grand gestures of physical trauma, they can be as subtle as 'not being seen or heard as a child' by the parent ... to a child this traumatic.
The only thing that really bugs me about this is Amber heard has made literally every single person with BPD look bad. Like when I say I have BPD I don’t want people to associate me with shitting on a bed 💀
I have BPD too and YESSS I hate it when people think I'm some manipulative, awful, evil human being because of it. I know I'm kind and have a good heart and would never try to manipulate or abuse anybody. I hate hurting my loved ones. I feel so ashamed of it.
@@yesterdaywasADTR it’s awful because we don’t mean to
I just got diagnosed and had a crisis because of this trial. Now I just joke about the poopy bed
you are psycho ! boderline and psychopath share a lot of same thing.... when you have an episode... you dont know wath you do because you loose sense of reality you dissociate...from reality...so yess... you need proper treatment like dialect therapy or neuro feedback to heal your brain... or with
therapy to train your brain to react other way..
Genuine question. Why is it ok to crap on nod/had but not bpd?
I have a few friends who have BPD. It's rough to live with but none of my friends ever shit in their partner's bed or best their significant other.
I know some very abusive BPDs. They're most likely to be thought of as narcissists by others, or martyrs, so they fly under the radar, as far as BPD goes, for people who don't know them well or don't know about PDs.
@$hy Cole Literally nobody said BPDs have no empathy. Your empathy and guilt turns on and off intermittently and seemingly without reason. That's a huge symptom of BPD. I don't think Amber has no empathy any of the time, otherwise she'd be diagnosed with psychopathy, not BPD.
No worries with the time it'll get easier...Amber heard is a borderline Psychopath and pure evil there is a huge difference.
@$hy Cole most people with bpd are like amber heard.
Most psychopaths are not good people, even thought there really are some psychopaths who are upstanding citizens.
Same with bpd.
@@phishcatt that was a terrible description of both bpd and psychopathy. people with bpd feel empathy conditionally. simply “having no empathy” on its own doesn’t automatically make you a psychopath, that sounds like something a child would say.
Great job, Dr. curry! You are amazing.
Histrionic personality disorder makes so much sense for her. I can’t believe I didn’t come up with that myself.
The fact that she needed to spell it out, honestly Amber Heard's lawyers are just walking into their own holes.
The dream witness of every lawyer. Sharp, clever very fast thinking, she understood the tricky questions and she presented the facts perfect without leave any room for doubt.
In the UK we don't televise trials so usually the only image people have of lawyers is their personal dealings with them
But Amber Heard's defense team has shown how obnoxious and incompetent they can be
I understand in due process both party's need legal representation and Amber Heard is a difficult client to defend - but their rudeness to witnesses is unjustified and only weakens their arguments
Such a great and knowledgeable answer. Loved the way this competent professional responded.
"regardless of what that science may be" is equivalent of saying "I don't have a side for either johnny or amber, except for what's on my report.
I feel like there was a mistake in her evaluation, because one cannot really be diagnosed with both BPD and HPD. The two disorders overlap in many areas, and have a lot in common, but there are core differences and 7-12 hours isn't enough to diagnose a personality disorder accurately, because distinctions between these overlaps are important.
Amber is so untreated and dangerous right now. When someone with her condition is confronted in a public forum , she’s like,a loaded gun, imo . I venture she will implode and scream victim, break down on the stand and project ‘it’s everyone else’s fault ‘ or she will explode and lash out violently to the nearest person in the room. She definitely needs inpatient hold until she can be brought to baseline with medication and other treatments . Johnny is lucky to be alive . He should offer her any amount of money to get away from her . She will use him as the target of why she’s completely broken and unstable otherwise
I agree fully. The fact that she kept throwing things at his face and head are very telling and terrifying.
I think Depp is very well protected at the moment and has a good support system around him to not give into her foul play. It’s all out in the open and the truth is pointing fingers at her. He has no reason to back down or give her money.
And I would like if this women is held accountable for her actions she has done so much wrong, men are victims too and he deserves that justice. Even if she is a loaded gun she is quite powerless against him rn. Pretty sure she regrets bringing this case into court, it’s a loosing game for her.
@@ruthvalentine6756 absolutely... Being a loaded gun or suffering from mental health issues is no excuse for a person to physically, verbally, mentally and socially harm another individual. Depp was labelled a wife beater and he lost his career because a woman he fell in love with was uptight and adamant to not get things how they should be. She seems shrewd and looks like she never really loved depp. Used him for fame, money, work and everything.
While I agree she needs help right now you are incorrect about people with BPD being like a loaded gun when confronted in a public forum. Firstly there are different types of BPD with quiet BPD being one of the more common which leads the sufferer to be overly agreeable, submissive and succeptable. Secondly most people with BPD when controlled or even not are much more able to keep composure and mask when in public and actually it's behind closed doors the mask slips and we tend to become far more emotionally unhinged but 99.9% of us are not a physical threat to anyone but ourselves. Sadly I fear the spotlight on this case will portray BPD sufferers in a bad light when in reality we are mostly very sensitive gentle people that tend to get overly attached and love to the point of it physically hurting to lose that love as opposed to violent people that attack and intentionally hurt those around us!
@@lettybabesify well said
Anyone notice how she said Bipolar and not borderline when talking about the gender disparities? Before anyone freaks out below, I’m sure she was just nervous and tripped up - I’m not reading too much into it.
Yes I noticed. Surprised the lawyer didn't say anything
@@kdlee3316 haha the lawyer definitely doesn’t know the difference considered she called BPD bipolar twice 😂
@@setgoals312 I thought the lawyer was trying to get at that borderline personality disorder and bipolar disorder are often misdiagnosed by professionals. Women who have bipolar are often misdiagnosed as borderline and men who are borderline are often misdiagnosed as bipolar. (And yes despite this I do believe amber has BPD.)
@@kdlee3316 I honestly couldn’t tell what the lawyer was saying half the time because she was so confused I think haha who knows 🤷🏻♀️
Yes, at around 1:32
Imagine trying to manipulate someone who actually studies, observes, and treats people with manipulative behavior disorder as a profession.
Wow.
she says 'bipolar' by mistake... weren't we talking about borderline?????
right. she did it on purpose i think.
"In fact, history of adverse childhood experiences is so common in people diagnosed with BPD that in a study about childhood trauma in cases of BPD, it was found that 81 percent of subjects had childhood abuse in their past - 71 percent reported physical abuse, 68 percent sexual abuse and 62 percent had witnessed severe domestic violence."
Bless her heart! Please follow your therapist's guidance!
Typical for an abuse victim to get labeled mentally ill, after they tell on their abuser.
Her lawyers are drowning quick 🤣
That last question - wtf does she even mean....? Dude these lawyers were found on craigslist
Holy crap. That lawyer is digging a hole deeper, and wider, and filled with presumption.
Depp needs to date the therapist.
She is 🔥 ,seems intelligent and a nice woman.
Isn't she married?
@@missdebbieann1356 I don’t known but looking at her she must PROBABLY IS.
@@RafaelFerreira-dn4xz agreed
The therapist is married
Seek help man lmaooo
There's something about how that female lawyer talks that annoys me. The way she asks questions is bordering on condescension.
I've been with a woman with a borderline personality disorder, and at the end it was really toxic. It's all the time a rollercoaster, at one moment she can be really charming and loving, and one hour later insult you endlessly for nothing...
What was the point of this comment
I too have dated a borderline and to me, they are worse than narcissists.
@@princessleah187xx4 it's really hard, because you feel that there is true love, but also plenty of other feelings, and at the end it's a mess...
it was hard for me to end the relationship, you always have a hope that the partner can go better and organize a bit better her/himself, but at the end it was no more possible...
@@Bluecatwing that's one person's perspective as opposed to objective fact, BPD effects us all so differently! I may be a grumpy bugger but I have never been horrible to my fiancé I tend to go quiet and submissive during arguments 80% of the time and then love bomb him afterwards out of fear of abandonment even if he was the one shouting at me. Then the other 20% of the time I'm grumpy and easily irritated about things and just snappily ask him to stop and again apologise and calmly talk out my feelings afterwards. This is my perspective of how it is in my relationship but again it's not an objective fact and that's why it's better to stick to facts such as BPD sufferers are emotionally unstable and have a fear of abandonment (two of the diagnostic criteria for BPD)
as a woman with bpd thank you for making me feel like no one would ever love me
What kind of lawyer asks so many "if" questions??? One should focus on facts, shouldn't we?
last question was basically
"Would you agree that, I'm right, you're wrong, you're stupid and I'm not?"
I would love to see her answer with a "lol no". Exactly like that, not just a "no", the "lol" is CRUCIAL.
@@DIRTkat_ofc "lol" is always crucial
1:30 I think the only slip up is she refers to "Bipolar Disorder" being diagnosed in more women than men. I think she meant to say Borderline as this was the personality disorder discussed. Bipolar Disorder is a different diagnosis. Overall, this psychologist is very articulate, confident, and professional.
They really aren’t much different in my opinion
@@Ethan-ee8rv In your opinion maybe but it's two very different diagnosis. Bipolar is episodic while bpd is consistent. Bipolar is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain while bpd is a disorder in the self.
It's actually like night and day though it sometimes look alike. Also Bipolar 1 and Bipolar 2 are very different from each other so Bipolar in itself does not look like bpd but are sometimes mistaken for Bipolar 1.
@@whatsaygirl1507 well I guess they do share a lot of overlap but differences too. BPD seems a lot worse than bipolar though, simply because of the fact that medication isn’t as effective in treatment. There are so many sufferers who spend their lives in psych wards and hit their heads against walls just because the mental pain is too much. I’d go as far as to say it is the WORST mental disease.
id say they're very different lol. one is a mood disorder the other is a PD completely different etiologies and treatments
@@mpro9446 both are serious tho
My ex has BPD. They are living nightmare. As Mr Depp, I' m BPD survivor
Wow...that psychologist is a bloody brilliant one. Spot on
Lady slipped up and said bipolar instead of BPD and no one caught it...
I noticed
There are many theories that hold BPD is a result of trauma. I.e. Otto Kernberg
@@WorldInspiring Still doesn't make it a settled matter in the field...
Plenty enough debate around it that a stern "no" is in order. The fact that "some" experts believe so doesn't mean that it is the accepted explanation by all, thus, characterizing it as a settled matter (saying it IS a result of trauma) would be an abusive assertion. It was perfectly fair to tell a lawyer trying to get their agenda accross that it is in fact very much up to debate that BPD is entirely caused by trauma.
@@TheWaross dude, chill. she asked "trauma can causes borderline personality disorder sometimes can't it?". An appropriate response would be "Its not entirely conclusive that trauma alone causes BPD but trauma has been seen as a significant factor in some BPD cases although some BPD cases seem to have no trauma involved." Just bluntly saying no when she was asked if trauma can cause it is irresponsible. She cannot conclusively say no, she can quite confidently say trauma does seem to play a role in disproportionate number of BPD cases.
Very professional and knowledgeable!
BPD is very common. A lot of ppl have it that don’t even realize they do.
1.4% of the adult U.S. population experiences BPD - not that common. You need to quit spreading false information. k thanks bye
It’s not “very common”
It's not talked about enough, and when it is, it's always BPDs themselves trying to ''destigmatise'' it by literally denying how horrible it is for everyone. No one at all is talking about their victims, like Johnny. It's such insidious abuse, it's so hard to even begin to describe it.
@@phishcatt yeah, it’s usually women with bpd and women are the ones who will employ that tactic.
Instead of warning people about beds, who are basically phsycopaths, they try and make themselves “feel” better.
Around 3% of the population meets the criterias. But a little bit more can have BPD traits (but not the actual disorder).
The psychologist is not a credible witness because she was having a dinner with johnny and was even at his house. BS
Business meals are not exactly rare.
If you watch the entire cross-examination, you will see Dr Curry's explanation for this. It wasn't a personal dinner with Johnny, it was an interview with him and his legal team, who were evaluating whether or not to hire her to be an expert witness for them. The meeting took several hours, therefore they served her dinner and drinks, which is a common courtesy that everyone should show to guests.
If you are still suspicious about Dr Curry visiting Johnny's house for the interview: that can easily be explained by the fact that he is a world-famous actor, which means it is easier for him to just hold the meeting in his own home, rather than go to Dr Curry's office where there are other people around to see him.
I've had BPD in the past and was treated for it for 7 years. Went to therapy back and forth, it's no joke. Just by looking at Amber I can say that she could have Narcissistic Personality Disorder but Borderline Personality Disorder.
I'm not an expert, just expressing my opinion.
I agree with you I believe wholeheartedly that she has narcissistic personality disorder.
Your opinion Dr. Prakash 🙄
I’m like
Good for you because you are actually doing something to get better and not unlashing on people. I admire people who are smart enough to seek help when necessary!
Good for you, never stop making yourself better for the people close to you!
Having discouraged borderline, I feel for Amber. And I hope she finds peace of mind
Good job, Doc! 👏👏 Make her lawyers look stupid and incompetent every second.
The psychologist hair is all disheveled, probably pulled it out trying to deal with AH 😂
She had a quickie in break time. She’s so hot but she does seem to be a dangerous blonde herself 😛
AH needs to be hospitalised to get this diagnosis..she just spoke with her 7 hours. It's ridiculous
She delivers the DSM-5 criteria with precision. Well done! 👏
She IMPRESSES ME, what a confidence! What a class, she is so put togerher.
I just love to see women be held accountable for being awful. This doesn’t happen often. Hope Johnny wins this case
Do you also love man being accountable for being awful?
@@vutomi9874 I do. The thing is women rarely get held accountable. Some how some way a man will get blamed for everything a woman does wrong.
@@glenthomas2988 that is wrong. It is most of the time men who gets away.
@@vutomi9874 not true at all.
@@vutomi9874 she defecated in the mama bed! Don’t justify her behavior. Nothing else needs to be said
This is so professional . I guess this clears everything
This lady is 👏🏽👏🏽‼️More people need to see this 🔥🔥🔥
God this is the most “First world problems” problem I have ever seen.
The issue of women being "overdiagnosed" with BPD is when it's misdiagnosed instead of, for example, autism. It doesn't mean that a perfectly healthy woman is randomly labeled as having BPD to shame her in front of a jury.
lmao that was a terrible example. apples and oranges.
@@beatsbyelvis6890 How was that a terrible example? It happens a lot. A psychiatrist suggested I might have BPD before I was diagnosed with autism. Common factors that lead to the misdiagnosis are extremely high stress levels and the inability to deal with stress (causing meltdowns in autism) or self harm as a coping skill. I'm not saying they're actually the same, but misdiagnosis is common.
Using a personality disorder diagnosis against someone is discrimination. Why would the diagnosis itself paint somebody in bad light? BEHAVIOUR is the only thing that one should be looking at (and I'm not saying hers was alright; all I'm saying is that the diagnosis should never be used against someone in court or life in general).
The psychologist spitting facts made me fall in love.
2:28 and this lawyer just really just said in a round about way "Hey i know you went through all the shit of becoming a psychologist for the state but just you're here to defend Mr. Depp aren't you?"
It's like she wants to lose the case or something, AH can potentially appeal due to inadequate counsel, maybe it's a ploy?
Dr. Shannon gave her the “are you stupid?” Look around 2:34
Now as someone with BPD I feel bad that I may be associated with this viper in the future. I deal with a lot of sh*t and I am not accusing anyone of anything that I MYSELF have done, I take responsability of my actions.
Bruh she makes me proud of my psychology degree
Same.
Case closed ! A professional psychologist confirms what the world already knew.
But most people thought she was a Narcissist. I could figure out BPD or Narcissist I don't know him/her well enough.
I don't know the diagnosis of Johnny Depp.