Why Are Knights Rare in the North?
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- Why Are Knights Rare in the North?
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Summer knights do not understand House Stark’s words but, they will.
Not in the show, the long night was barely 24 hours long lol
@@LisaAnn777 well said!😂
In the books they will. For their armour will not be enough to protect them from the cold of the long night.
After all, even steel gets brittle and shatters when the real cold arrives with winter.
Because in the North a man earns reputation through deeds and merit.
FACTS 💯💯💯💯💯💯
They don't believe in showmanship, since most of the north is about survival instead of reputation.
Not entirely fair, as that is also how knighthood is supposed to work. There are corrupt northerners too.
Tf? They have been great knights from the south lol?😂
Then noble houses shouldn't exists in the North.
The North does have a few Knights, like Ser Jorah and Ser Roderick Cassel, mostly the title was granted as an honorific by the King for outstanding valor in combat, like Jorah Mormont being second through the breach at the Siege of Pike
Mostly in house Manderly, as they still have southron influenced
@@Thronesbookthe only house in the north that worships the 7 right?
Si @@joshpowell1045
@@joshpowell1045fairly sure they are.
@@joshpowell1045no house Whitehill too but they’re a very minor Northern house
And then there's Ser Harras Harlaw. Knight among the Ironborn. Even wields a valyrian steel blade. Dude has full potential to be a legend
He’s always been dope
Rodrik who is probably the one smart guy in the iron islands even named him heir to Ten Towers. Hope the dude survives ASOIAF
@victorc8855 I cant stand the Iron born but The Reader is my favorite Iron Born after Victarion.
The Mountain was a knight, too. If his actions were the measure of a knight, I don’t think I’d really want to be one.
If that guy was knighted then it's a disgrace to knighthood
Precisely why his brother looks down on knights
He was knighted by rhaegar Targaryen 😂😂
@ratikantrout1865 Which had to be well before Gregor Clegane's most infamous crimes.
That's exactly what The Hound thought lol
"Those men are tourney knights."
Many knights have never seen combat and are cerinonial only. They are trained and battle in tourneys but would shit themself inba real battle.
because there’s no wars going on that’s why none of them have seen real combat. they’d still do what they’re told
As Robert said while recounting his day of smashing Rhaegar. They glorify the confrontation and battle, but omit the part when they get frightened and shocked as they were about to recieve the killing blow in the songs and tales
The fact ser Hugh came back around to be Jason and Tyland Lannister lol
Reminds me of when Cersei wanted Bronn dead
Lord Stokeworth believed that he'd win in a duel to the death because Bronn is not a knight
When Cersei heard of this, she thought how stupid he was, for not realizing that while not a knight, Bronn is a hard-made killer
I love how In the show they showed how horrible some of these knight were like in real life but were presented to look like the good guys💀
Happened in our world very often as well.
@@stepanpazderka5497chivalric codes were heavily encouraged by the church for a reason. When war crimes aren’t a thing it’s tough to reign in the warrior class
Because these knights are based in Christian knights, the knights of the Pope who were above the law and morals. We have studied about the knights being total Mercenaries and stone killers . They even killed for standing up to them 😊
At least they don't hang out on crossroads to test newly bought swords on civilians.
@@nunyabiznes33 no but they did sa a quite a few people 🤦♀️
Jory should have been looking down when The Kingslayer impaled his eye ball. 👀
Why?
@@Sky-Bananasbit harder to penetrate skull. But it only matter once the dagger is already eye level
The hardest part of the eye is the lens. Not that looking straight would have stopped the dagger.
I love that you put a pic of Uther and Lancelot from Merlin😂
House Manderly has around ~1000 knights
They were originally from The Reach in the south, makes sense they do.
Ned stark is a lord of one of the most powerful houses. He has plenty of power.
Yeah but he dont have support of religion
Because only old gods are only in North in southern kingdoms is faith of the seven and Northerns are still first men while other are Andals and some are Valaryan
@@stefanborojevic3670 the faith of the seven ARE the new gods. and it was thanks to the targaryens that the old gods were made accepted in the rest of westeros because the targs didnt want religious wars to be waged. its one of the reasons the starks were able to marry those of the faith of the seven when they follow the old gods.
@@Themrine2013 The faith of the seven is the fate of the colonized.
@@Th_Ppptmstr no
Because knight is andals tradition, while the north still practice old god
This actually makes more sense to me now. I wondered why everyone treated the North men differently. I assumed it was just politics but the South is really bougie. Ignorant and blinded by classism.
Well, Dorne and North was often described "barbaric" to the "civilized" dude,
@@Thronesbook that could be seen as a strong possibility, the North was killing zombies and Dorne had taken down a dragon with a queen. The poor South don't know what to do with those kinds of heroes, lol.
@@indiadecoseytillmanwell Dorne is also seen as being kinda gay and loose with their sexual morals compared to everywhere else.
And they are slightly genetically distinct being the only people that are Roynish.
@@Random_UserName4269 not knowing enough background, I hit a rabbit hole. I didn't know what Rhoynish culture was and found that it bore some similarities to real-life ancient Greece. Well, damn...now, I'm wondering how bad are those sexual morals to be deemed foul by Westeros standards? That bar was barely hovering above ground as it was. Poor Dorne, they're too badass to be giving Diddy vibes.
I did notice that the Rhoynish culture respected a high degree of gender equality. Both men and women could rule in their own right. Women also served in their cities' armed forces. I know how the majority of Westeros feels about that.
Westeros is right why risk the womenfolk. And why have people who are going to be overpowered in a fight and frailer, and who can bear the long marching and unexpected physical exertion demanded of warriors? Police or city guard, sure, soldiers? Hell no!@@indiadecoseytillman
They should have some type of position for men who leads soldiers in north that is equilivant of being a knight.
A battle veteran
Lately I started wondering why Jory was not a knight. Ser Rodrik, his own father, didn't knight him even though he was the main man put in charge of protecting Lord Eddard.
I'm sure there were reasons, but still, a little strange...
Likely because he didn't see the prestige in the tradition itself (Ser Rodrik may have simply accepted the title as a courtesy to the king) and/or he hasn't seen Jory do anything in his eyes worthy yet. Then there's the nepotism angle that would likely be frowned upon in the North of all places.
@@RedWinter21 Those are some good points, thank you.
Rodrik Cassel was not Jory's father, he was his uncle. Jory's father, Martin Cassel, died fighting alongside Ned at the Tower of Joy against the last and best of the Mad King's Kingsguard. It is another reason why Jory is so close to Ned, seeing as he is a permanent reminder of his father's sacrifice.
@@mihaiionita5648 Ah, you are correct, my apologies
Ned lacks political power in kingslanding. He has huge political power in the north. The moment he gets captured, his son rallies 20.000 soldiers to come free him. Later when southern knights come north with Stannis they are equally ineffective. They freeze to death and get into arguments with the locals, even their allies. Asoiaf is all about adapting.
Only those of the Reach and the North actually fostered a true culture of warriorhood, the rest of Westeros simply played at honor and soldiery.
... the reach?!
Do you mean Dorne?
The Northmen, Ironborn, and Dornish are basically part of the Kingdom in name only. They have different cultures from the other 5 kingdoms.
A lot of comments looking down on knights. They would do well to remember that there are good knights and bad knights, and there are good and bad northern captains.
Sandor Clegane never wanted to be a knight because he knows what an evil man his brother is,yet he was rewarded with knighthood. Even though most people believed that knights are supposed to be honorable & a good man
Ehh not really. The only people who see them like that are kids. Sansa lives in fairy tails.
Most people mock knights. Even Ned calls them roosters.
@@B1ackWolf my bad. Should have phrased "some" people. Also,yeah the north doesn't care too much for knights
“They are the knights of summer, and winter is coming”
The Manderlys kept this tradition somehow, as well as their southron political savvy (offering to mint new money for Robb, the current Northern Conspiracy, etc).
Ah, so chivalrous.
Take the mountain for example
And Trant whom Tyrion and Bronn would have killed if given the right reason. Arya did not bid him a good knight. Lol
Knights were trained in. Camelot with Chiverlary which took patience to learn which was part of the test.
There are no need for knights in the north… chivalry naturally flows through the veins of the First Men.
First to take the Black 🖤
Ned Stark, doesnt have political power because the north have few knights? There were literally 3 other great house(Tully, Arryn, Baratheon) ready to die for his sake before Robert and Jon Arryn's death.
He lost Arryn with death of Jon and Baratheons with the loss of Robert
Also your not gonna always have the Lord Paramount's who back you at the Capital versus having a retinue of respected individuals
@@jeambeam3173 he lost his life after Robert died
@@jeambeam3173 The lords of the Vale actually wanted to support Robb.
Has anybody else noticed that “Sir Hugh” from game of thrones is actually playing the Lannister twins in House of the Dragon?
He's also Torsten in Vikings
KNIGHTS are also LORDS, which that title has a LOT of POLITICAL POWER.
Exactly, people don't understand, they had lands and could become a lord and represent at court, maybe even pitch a castle and become a fortress for the king securing his power in that region. Marry into more nobler houses as well.
So🤷🏼♂️I don't remember Ser Duncan the Tall ever standing vigil in any Sept or vowing to The Seven! 🤓😎✌🏼
The mortal aspects of the Seven literally bless Duncan as he goes into the Trial of Seven in The Hedge Knight. A maid kisses his cheek, Steely Pate (a smith) compliments him, an old man walks up and wishes him luck, a war vet blesses his sword, and a woman calls out to him wishing him luck also. And then the stranger visits with the deaths of Baelor and the others in the trial.
Aww ser hugh actor got a glow up now is lord Jason lannister, funny thing is his character helped the lannister twins kill jhon arryn. he might be the only actor to be in both shows he is doing a good job playing the twins
I mean in white harbour there's a couple hundred knights because of house Manderly.
Knights are just Cowards in armour.
Winter wolves feast upon such Cowards.
Yeah....okay, Ned doesn't have much political support huh? Its not like a kingdom that takes up half the continent rose up in rebellion to save their liege lord.
Ned Stark lacked political power? He was the leader of the Great House of the North. He was instrumental in getting the alliance of the rebels with House Tully. He put down the loyalists in the Rebellion when Robert couldn't continue, including seminal prowess as being sent to Kings' Landing, to lift the siege on Storm's End, and also winning the battle of the Tower of Joy. He held the heir of the Iron Islands hostage. Arguably, Ned was politically the most powerful lord in Westeros after Robert Baratheon at the beginning of the series, as there is a vacancy for Hand after Jon Arryn's death. (And then he becomes Hand immediately, of course). True: some might say that Tywin has more political power, as Cersei is Queen. But his influence is limited with Robert as king, even with the money that he lends the Crown, when you compare it to Ned. And some would say that people such as Varys or Littlefinger are objectively more powerful, but the reason they lurk in the shadows is that they do not have that much actual political power vested in them, so they rely in their acumen. That is crucial for understanding the story: Ned is such a powerful, influential man that his death causes two independentist rebellions, one from his son, and one around the rebels he put down, and is the main pretext under which people dare join either of the Baratheon brothers. Had there been no beheading, there might have been no all out War of the Five Kings, with all this also causes for both the Dany and Jon storylines.
The Warriors of the north have more important/better Things to do than waste time with such fancy Things.
Why your videos are so good?🧐
Crusader Kings 3 covers this well…. there are just different names for the northern people’s “knights”. In regards to ck3 the northern tribes have champions, other places have hetaeria, baghatur, shoorveer, aswaran, faris.
It’s just plain religious prejudice or cultural prejudice to look down on those that are different.
Winter comes for all
One of the things that makes no sense.
Crusaders considered Mamelukes as Knights, Persia had the Dehgans , India the kshatriya.....
One of the many parts of making no sense crappy worldbuilding from GRRM
Its a testament to Northern pride and stubbornness that they dont start knighting their greatest warriors to boost their status and presitage across the realms.
They just don't care if southern lords respect their greatest, because they know they're made of tougher stuff and won't bow to foreign traditions and titles
The Northmen, like the Ironborn and Dornish are barely part of the Iron Throne. They have different cultures and gods.
One of the reasons they succeed in battle is just that. They are often underestimated.
Only because Ser Hugh did not meet Jory on the feild of battle
By southern logic, Lancel is more respectable than Robb.
Man, please!!!
There's a reason Jamie was challenging Ned in S1 Episode 1. You don't have to be a Knight to be reputed and respected around the land!
LIkely because The North is considered the lowest of country bumpkins , its like if real modern comparison the north would be considered only very few people have cellphones in the early 2000s
Ned Stark lacks Political Power? Ned didn't need the permission of Lysa Arryn to summon the Army of the Vale..... Ned was like their brother, They definitely would have answered his call
Yeah they should’ve just had Jon Snow become the King in the North.
Would the Manderlys have knights then ?
The whole north a nite 😂
interesting that you used an image from Merlin
Ned may have lacked political power, but he was respected by his subjects (with a few exceptions)
Ser Rodrik Cassel anyone?
A hundred knights are equivalent to one Northman
Yeah, we can see that in how Brienne butchered 3 😂
@@MrChileno13 Brienne is one of the greatest swordsman out there, homie. She could dozens Lannisters knights 🤷🏼
Ned Stark lacks political power?????
Yes
So like in real life Europe.
Do you think your Nighthood will save you when the harsh Winter arrives? Or your 7 stupid gods.
Whos the woman with the eye 👁️ patch?
I’d take 100 northerners over 10000 men of anywhere else in Westeros
They never tell you how they shit themselves. God's I was strong then....
This made me a fan of Robert it was hilarious and serious at the same time
Rad, Bud. 😎⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
They are gnights
Pragmatism.
They are arguably better st fighting
😮
Wait didnt andals start their invasion in the north ?
interesting
South: Huzaaa, I am a knight because of my great deeds and family name, you should be one to! North: Sry BOY! I kneel TO NO ONE!
I’m not a healer main, but what if they make some of the spec tree talents that modify your basic healing spells also increase the mana it’s spending? Then it’s less straightforward if the stronger healing is worth it
A lot of the knights of westeros gain their title from their skill and swordplay. Very few are battle-tested or have seen combat.
The North holds the southern knights in contempt for that exact reason. They are political pawns. Living trophies for the heads of Houses to strut around like a prized rooster.
The Northerners breed true warriors. Knights are trained in combat from birth but so are all the soldiers of the North. The real difference is the men of the North actually fight quite a bit while the Southern Knights just stand around looking pretty while the average rank and file soldiers do all the fighting for them. The only exceptions were Jaime and Ser Barristan.
This reason is dumb as hell why not just make them something from eastern European history equivalent to knights like huscals or druzhina seems lazy imo