Clearing up a few things I worded poorly in the video: - Yes, Leif Erikson and Norse colonists discovered the Americas before Columbus and established settlements; my point was the exact timeframe (i.e. 500 years before Columbus) is, to my knowledge, disputed a little bit. So I didn't want to say Leif found North America 500 years before Columbus with certainty. - Human sacrifice is just a small component of the rich Aztec / mesoamerican cultures; the reason I singled out their sacrificial methods was to point out one way this fabled land in the Sunset Sea might not be a paradise, like some (i.e. Gylbert Farwynd) believe. I think it's relevant since the Aztecs were a part of the "New World," and this fabled land would be like Westeros's "New World." I don't want to boil down the entire Aztec culture to human sacrifice. - I didn't go into the Deep Ones in this video, as I'm trying to keep my runtimes shorter, but another theory I really enjoy is that the Deep Ones are real, they're responsible for the Oily Black Stone and the Seastone Chair, and perhaps they have an underwater kingdom (i.e. the submerged city of Atlantis) in the Sunset Sea; the fabled land is actually a water city, not a land city. Pretty cool option as well.
In 1487 the Aztecs sacrificed between 10000 and 80400 people in a 4 day period. I know, it's a rich and beautiful civilization with great food, wondrous cultural traditions, and friendly people, but are you sure human sacrifice is a *small* component of that culture? I mean, the Boltons don't have a 112 feet in length and 40 feet wide skull rack like archeologists found near Templo Mayor and human sacrifice is quite an important component of their cultural traditions. Anyway, great video as always
@@mi38029 Yeah well people got mad at me for only mentioning the human sacrifice, then people got mad at me for downplaying the human sacrifice. So idk man... I'm not a historian, but I did do research, and yeah seems like human sacrifice was kind of a big deal over there
@@CrusaderChris Hah, that's what you get for caring what nobodies on the internet think. People who got mad because you didn't extensively describe their perception of the Aztecs in a 15 minute asoiaf video probably wouldn't care about the corrections anyway and just... add your head to the pile.
7:06 A really overlooked sneaky detail is right here. “Wild pigs” implies that other humans have been there before. Pigs don’t naturally appear on islands. Especially not remote ones. When Spanish explorers were navigating the Americas and found an island, they would release breeding pairs of pigs and leave. On their sail back months or years later, the island would be full of pigs when they returned. A great food source for sailors weary from travel but the pigs had no natural predators and usually decimated the islands ecosystems. It’s an incredible detail that almost confirms that Elissa Farman isn’t the first to get to the islands.
Doesnt really make sense since its not specified what kind of pigs these are. And since we dont know what kind of pigs these animals are, we cant say that they were domesticated pig that were released there, and could be just native hogs or similar species. Still a nice theory that kinda makes sense if we consider Nymeria`s travel, perhaps few ships went further west or something.
Fun fact: If you have the Sunset Invasion DLC (which revolves around an Aztec invasion of Europe) for Crusader Kings 2 downloaded and are playing with the A Game of Thrones mod, there’s a chance that said Sunset Invasion (of Westeros) is led by a Stark of Brandon the Shipwright’s branch.
@@Yue_Jin That's where my ADHD powers come in handy, I don't play any Paradox game "long term" I just keep restarting with new scenarios cause I get bored
A Lighthouse would be very useful for whoever lived and fished on lonely islands weeks away from land. Seal skin and Seal leather are very valuable products afterall.
Yeah but they still have to said for EIGHT FRIGGING DAYS just to get to Iron Island proper which isnt exactly Volantis when it comes to international trade. Idk who they're gonna sell that sealskin to
@burtan2000 Seal Skins used to be hunted for in the Arctic regions in the real world. From there, the skins would shipped all over the world in voyages lasting weeks. Properly salted seal skin will last a good long time, in a ships cargo hold. In the Iron Islands, the Sailors will have need for, and knowledge on how to develop seal leather products. The Iron Islands buy the seal furs and make their own gear, and some of them also sell the leather further on. A good chunk of the Iron Islanders are traders, not pirates.
@@burtan2000 Not to mention how do they keep the fire burning? It doesn't look like there is much in the way of wood or any other burnable materials there. You would need regular supply runs just to keep the fire burning.
We know there was a huge flood in the ancient past after the Hammer of the Waters. I think Lonely Light was probably the main lighthouse for the westcoast of westeros pre-flood.
Gilbert Farwynd said he’s make every man a king and every man a queen. Every man a king? Exactly like Huey Long, a Louisiana politician, used to say. So it stands to reason House Farwynd is Cajun and the Iron Islanders are Americans, come to spread liberty, freedom, and justice for all to westeros. Euron Greyjoy for President 2024
I actually think Westeros is a stand-in for America rather than Europe, and Essos is the Eurasian supercontinent. Which would make the Iron Islands the Wild West, which makes a lot of sense
Its too bad the Maesters dont seem to practice trignometry. With it they could calculate how large the Spherical Planet of ASOIAF is. That would give us good estimates to work with on what is where.
I'm pretty sure they already know it's a sphere, and they should be able to estimate its circumference considering the level of technology they have in the setting
I think there’s an argument to be made for Arya being just as powerful a skinchanger as Bran. Not only has she warged more than one animal, she warged Nymeria from a whole different continent. If she had training and actually knew what she was doing, she has the potential to be quite powerful
She also used her will, through her wolf, to cause her mom's rebirth (dreamt the one person she knew capable of resurrection to manifest and raise her)
Is distance correlated with power as a skin changer though? Or does distance not really matter at all as long as you're bonded to that particular animal?
@@Dell-ol6hb I’m not sure. I know to Wall separates them, but that seems to be magical. It seems like a whole continent away would be harder, but maybe not. She does show that she’s a skinchanger and not just a warg though since she can see through the eyes of the cat at the House of Black and White
Wild pigs on an island are significant. Historically sailors would leave populations of pigs on islands in order to provide a food source for later trips. If there are wild pigs on an island it means someone has been there before, and planned to come come back.
One great theory I heard in the disputed lands channel was that oily black stone comes from weirwoods that died and petrified. 1) an archimaster told Sam in the citadel that weirwoods don't die, they become stone 2) the shade of the evening is an oily liquid that comes from an paralel tree to the weirwood that is said to drink the light 3) the land south of ashai has lots of black trees. If that is true than ashai could have been built with such tree, as well as lonely light form the land just west of westeros.
I have a feeling that this oily liquid is related to some sort of petroleum/natural gas being consumed by trees. And the creature from where it once came from is related ancient dead dragons and gigantic creatures that is far more dangerous and bigger than Balerion
Makes sense that Elysa failed, she perhaps was too South, if she was even bellow the Summer Isles level, as far as it's described as a land with no winter, it should be arround the Neck or bellow, arround, perhaps at the same altitude to Essos, Lonely Light may be the furthest north this hypothetical land reaches.
sothryos extends south so far a dragon flew south for 3 yrs and couldnt find the end, this implies everything in the known world is still quite a bit above the hemisphere, in fact the summer isles are probably around mexico level or sonething, like cuba perhaps, this means there is a heck ton of land south to hit, more likely the western land isnt one connected landmass like the americas and thus she just got unlucky and passed right through a couple continents
@@XiaoYueMaothat's what I assume. If lady Farman made it to Essos going westward that means there's no giant landmass, Essos goes further around the world or she sailed through & missed continent sized islands.
@@jackj9816 It's George's way of having a fun tale to spawn fan theories. He confirmed the world was round in an interview. He didn't need to put it in a book. The fact they build tall lighthouses already proves Planetos is round as well. A tall lighthouse is completely pointless if you live on a flat world, and you would never build one. You'd build them all at ground level and save the resources. Lighthouses are solely built to be tall so you can see it over the horizon. That's not a factor on a flat world, since there's no horizon that stuff will dip below. Lighthouses prove the world is round, not some probably untrue sailor story that's basically a small reference to Odysseus' journey (all of George's Eastern lore is just referential and made to pay homage to writers he loves) and a way to feed fan theories and make the world feel more alive.
when I saw the map of the lonely light to the west of the Iron Islands, i immediately thought of st kilda, to the west of the hebrides in Scotland. They are the last islands in Scotland/British isles before you reach the Americas.
George R.R. Martin likes to create analogues of historical figures like: - Brandon Shipwright = Lief Erikssen. - Elissa Farman = Christopher Columbus. - Lomas Longstride = Marco Polo.
Also: Abu Bakr II resembles Brandon (The brother of Mansa Musa). He created a giant fleet of Malian ships, to pursue a story of a western land to the west of West Africa. Mali was the richest nation in the old world at the time due to its salt and gold. His journey and disappearance westward forever changed Mali. It ended Mali/an African state from attempting to become a naval power - and it led to the rise of Mansa Musa who tried to rival his brother but instead journeyed east to Mecca - spending so much gold that it caused significant inflation globally
Seems much more likely to me that the only continent west of Westeros is the unmapped east of Essos. Elissa Farman arrived there, with her 3 dragon eggs, wich problably became Dany's dragon eggs. There is a theory that Elissa might have learned Ashai magic to live much more than a normal human, like Melissandre, and became Quaithe. This means that the Ironborne are problably also descendent from east Essos people. And actualy I have a theory that they might be related to the Bloodstone emperor, especially Euron. Oily Blackstone seems to be always linked to the Great Empire of the Dawn. As for Brandon Stark, he problably just sank along with the rest of his fleet. His story is quite similar to the Malinense king Abu Bakr, who also made and joined a great fleet to cross the Atlantic, only to never be seen again. edit: I intensely tripped when I said Elissa problably arrived with the eggs on Ashai. The eggs were selled in Bravos for financing the fleet (just as it wouldn't make sense to take the eggs during it).
@@kinggidorah6910 Elissa Farman left her three eggs in Braavos as payment for asylum and construction of the Sun Chaser I believe. The Braavosi don't build ships for free.
@@eriktillman8114 You're absolutely right. I remember the eggs were related to Elissa, but forgot she left it bravos. So, the closest evidence to her completing the trip to Essos is her ship problably being spotten by the Sea Snake.
sothryos extends south so far a dragon flew south for 3 yrs and couldnt find the end, this implies everything in the known world is still quite a bit above the hemisphere, in fact the summer isles are probably around mexico level or sonething, like cuba perhaps, what this means in practice, is, assuming the world is a sphere (which GRRM said it is), then with that much space down south, naturally the west and east must also be similarly massive as well, as a dragon can cross essos in months, let alone 3 yrs, there MUST be a continent west of westeros that isnt essos, unless essos actually is as long as sothryos is tall, which would be wild as heck having two similarly sized supermassive continents
I personally follow the Great Empire of the Dawn dragon riders theory to explain the presence of black stone and oily black stone, with all the places it can be found having been outposts/colonies that cover the sea south of Essos and western Westeros (there are none north of Essos or east of Westeros due to the Arm of Dorne). With Ashi being the empires capital. So im not sure black stone came from across the Sunset Sea. As for an Americas is Planetos, Im not sure, its possible, and would fit with how the existing continents mirror our own. But I definately think Elissa went around the world and landed in Ashi. But the Farwynds deffo know more then they are letting on, I agree they are probably skinchanges (or atleast their head is) and they know more about the Sunset Sea then anyone.
@@durrangodsgrief6503 I was the same, but I kind of roped Yeen in as having been one of there colonies that tied them to Westeros. But given that we dont know whats easter of the Shadow Lands and how Elissa got there, I deffo think theybcould have also reached Westeros via the Sunset Sea
when the gylbert talks about the lands west it sounds like a cheeky nod to the undying lands in lotr but the lands themselves did not make it undying it was its inhabitants something men in that world did not understand.
When I was a small summer child to this story I loved the idea and thought it was George foreshadowing the others were going to really be an apocalyptic threat and almost wipe out all of Westeros because of all the in fighting. The dream of spring would be the banners of house stark coming over the horizon to “save the day” and help what remained of our hero’s fight and push back the others. But after the show I realized that was a pipe dream lol. I also thought the others would attack from every shore at once. The dead would come marching out of the water forcing everyone to the center of Westeros aka Harrenhall for one last battle which they would subversively lose
I really like this theory, I can see the Aztec-esque civilization being the origin of Oily Black Stone, and possibly on the same landmass as Stygai and the Shadowlands.
The oily black stone is one of many Lovecraft references in Ice and Fire. The Deep Ones are an exact namedrop from Shadow Over Innsmouth, making the Drowned God Cthulu. Yi Ti, Leng, Carcosa, Sarnath, and Ib are all direct name drops as well. N'ghai; the strange tribesmen north of Yi Ti, is a slight alteration of N'kai; the kingdom of Tsathogguah, the Toad God. The Great Other is none other than Ithaqua the Windwalker. The Black Goat of Qohor is The Black Goat Shub Niggurath, and I think the Old Gods of the Children of the Forest are also Shub Niggurath and her many children, for she is known as the All Mother and Lord of Forests. The Cult of Starry Wisdom is another direct namedrop, meaning Nyarlathotep exists in Planetos, and I would also parralel him to the Many Faced God, as he is a shapeshifter and bears the title The Faceless God. I may even go so far as saying that Euron Crowseye is the high priest of Starry Wisdom and has become an avatar of the Crawling Chaos. R'hllor is Cthugha the Living Flame, a star made of burning flesh 《Stannis' fiery heart》. The Red Comet even has a parallel, Ghroth the Harbinger, who travels space looking to destroy planets, awakening ancient magics with his psychic siren song. Following this rubric, the only benevolent deities are the Seven. They are clear parrallels to the Greek, Roman, and Germanic pantheons, which are the forms taken by the Elder Gods, the only pro-human entities in the Mythos, and also the least immediately powerful due to their lack of influence over the material realm.
Always good to see another one who goes full Lovecraft. The original dragons are extraterrestrials (shantaks and/or Byakhee) and came to Essos when Azor Ahai caused the death of Nissa Nissa, cracking the second moon, which brought forth the first dragons as per Qaartheen legend, clearly indicating that lightbringer is a dragonhorn, which also delivered the Shining Trapezohedron (from Yuggoth, the second moon). Lion of the Night is Hastur and he is still chilling nearby in the Hidden Sea, east of Yi Ti. Also, Ithaqua is buried at the lowest level of the crypts of Winterfell and the CotF worship the Cthonians, which are also known as firewyrms, communicate telepathically (weirwood hivemind; the trees are just for show) and can cause earthquakes
The idea that there could be other Stark’s to this unknown land is brought further home by Arya’s desire to sail west. How cool would it be for her to follow in the footsteps of her ancestors, sail west, and find distant relatives living there.
As a member of the Cult of Starry Wisdom and a subscriber to David Lightbringer, I like to think that oily black stone is made of meteorites and the various structures built out of it were made by the great empire of the dawn. Also, warging into a whale would be epic. Also again, we need to have a Patchface spinoff to see if the Deep Ones are real
I stumbled across your lore channel by accident. Im so glad I did, because I love your presentation style. I enjoy all the theroy-crafting of ASOIAF from different channels, as no one really can pin it down, except maybe George, and maybe not even him. GoT yourself another subscriber.
If u walk from Canada north u don't just pop up in the south pole 😂 you would still have to travel half a globe to there and the north pole doesn't stretch all the way to the south pole
Great video. Two things I took away from it (assuming the "lost Stark kingdom" to the west exists): 1. It would be a cool parallel to Seanchan from the Wheel of Time series. GRRM is a fan of WoT, although I am not suggesting that he was necessarily inspired by it in this instance. Brandon the Shipwright could be the ASOIAF equivalent of Luthair Pendraeg from WoT. Luthair sailed west, discovered and conquered a new continent called Seanchan, and was never heard from again. His descendants returned to attempt to reconquer the Westlands (their original home continent). 2. Assuming that Arya's ending in the show is canonical in the books, it would be cool for her to reunite with the lost branch of her House beyond the sunset sea.
I think it can be true at the same time that some people go west and hit nothing but endless grey ocean, whereas others hit a continent. On Earth, Chris Columbus and the Conquistadors were lucky, in that North and South America stretch virtually all the way down from the North Pole to Antarctica. Just go west, and you can't help but hit it. But imagine a world where between the Atlantic and Pacific was a continent about half the size our Western two continents, at least latitudinally? Or even just the size of Australia or something? If Planetos was like that, then some explorers who go west but a little too far north or too far south, latitudinally, would just bypass the continent entirely and never see it.
Well now I’m curious about the logistics required to keep a beacon (large enough for ships to see) burning 24/7 on a rocky island that’s eight days of sailing away from the nearest islands, which are also mostly just rocks. I imagine it takes a lot of work to keep that place supplied with a constant supply of firewood. Or maybe they burn seal oil?
One thing we should keep in mind about the so-called Aztecs is how diverse the empire was. There were many different Nahuatl speaking cultures, and only the Mexica ruled over the others and sacrificed (some) war captives. The other Nahua peoples rebelled against the Mexica several times. There were also non-Nahua people who were under the thumb of the Mexica, such as Mayans and Mixtecs and Otomis. There are many people today who descend from the so called Aztecs and they still speak their ancestral language, and it would be awful to misrepresent them as the descendants of an evil empire. As in ASOIAF, most of them were macehualmeh, of smallfolk.
Yes there is another land. The oily black stone is martins version of our “lost civilization “ that shared knowledge around the world. Just like in the book there’s no explanation for this stone appearing all over the world. The same can be said of our world and pyramids. It’s one thing you find everywhere with no explanation as to why
Skinchanging IS an inherited ability! It just doesn’t always manifest and requires a bond with an animal to even discover. It’s also a dormant trait that skips generations but is very much inherited through bloodlines.
Bran saw a young man with tan skin, a long face, dark grey eyes, and dark brown hair with a strand of eagles feathers tied into it looking eastwards over a cliff side. His arms that were revealed from his peculiar cloak had drawings of wolves, weirwoods, and longships ships full of men on them. “Is this Jon in the future?” Bran asked. “No this is the present” Lord Brynden responded. “I don’t understand, he’s like a Stark but I’ve never seen him or anyone like him.” “You and your siblings may be the only Starks left in Westeros but not in the world.” A rustle came from the small trees behind the man and he turned to face the noise like he was expecting it. Out came, it couldn’t be, Bran was frozen with surprise, Uncle Benjen? Benjen smiled at the man like Bran had never seen him do, “Josiah said the fleet will be ready sail tomorrow, we’re going home cousin.”
Ulthos probably extends south, not east. I don't remember which Targaryen princess did it, but she flew for weeks over Ulthos, going southwards, and never reached the end of the continent
given most of ASOIAF is based on british history, im actually suprised the lost settlers of roanoke weren't referenced at all. or the fact that farwynd may be a reference to the irish fishermen we now know were secretly trading with native americans long before columbus found it. also, as for Elissa Farman, that may be a reference to a dutch explorer who found the east indies, then found new zealand, and completely missed australia.
Look up the legend kf the welsh or English king who supposedly sailed to America before everyone else , interbred with the loca tribes and later the explorers found a tribe of native Americans with fair skin who spoke words of welsh. I think that’s what George is referencing more so than Chris Columbus
You now, 8 days from Euron is a good policy at this point in time. Getting northern Skyrim vibes from this one...always a beautiful point in a playthrough getting to the ice platforms and horker seals
With how GRRM links sources of magic to either coming from the same source (ie, there are multiple groups of the Children of the Forest throughout the world) or opposing forces (Rhollor and the Great Other). Thus I think 'oily black stone' is fused dragonstone that has come corrupted or stained by evil. This parallels the dark mystery of Asshai, which is a massive city bigger Kingslanding, Volantese, Old Town, and Qaarth combined. Yet it is terribly cursed after the Blackstone Emperor started worshipping necromancy and caused the First Long Night. Thus I think oily blackstone is linked to evil necromancy and worship of the Great Other (who takes many forms such as the Black Goat, the Drowned god), and is corrupted, like the sea stone chair. The Iron Islands followed the Old Gods until the followers of Great Other (drowned god) chopped down the massive weirwood grove on Old Wyk.
SPOILER for the wheel of time books. In the wheel of time books there is a king who builds a great fleet led by his son in order to explore an unknown sea, his fleet never comes back so everyone thinks it was lost, but after a thousand years during the main series they come back and find out that they did find land and that they conquered it and its people, and now they want to conquer their ancestor home.
*What if the land undiscovered was real, and a group of Vikings like people lived there? What if they've started planning an invasion of Westeros?* Actually, they could do something like that for a sequel series (we'll never get one of those lol).
Since the three small islands are under the latitude of Summer Isles and Asshai, Ulthos, and saffron strait are near that latitude, could it be possible that there is no new continent beyond the sunset sea? as the sunchaser was told that it ended up in asshai port, probably after crossing the saffron strait or maybe circumnavigating southern shore of Ulthos.
This is the kinda stuff I love. We will never truly know how our universe or world was before written records and how it all began, but we can live vicariously through the people of westeros and esos and find an answer for a fantasy world at least. Southorious is Antarctica(exact opposite but same place) and ulthos is Australia and all adjacent islands n such. Obviously esos is like Africa and Asia and westeros is Europe. There could be something akin to the Americas between westeros and eastern esos.
In Wheel of time you also have Prince who was sent across the Western Ocean with a fleet and vanished. 1000 years later his descendants return - and it's nothing but trouble for the old homeland. As George started his saga a few years past WoT, I think he will be careful to avoid certain tropes.
what if essos is like Europe a single massive continent and when Alysa ship was found in asshai it would be like someone sailing from America and landed in the Persian gulf
If the long night was actually only 5000 years ago could the base of the high tower then be an early attempt at fused stone fortresses since valrya would be rising around this time?
I like the parallel between Bran Shipwright and the son of Arthur Hawkwing in the wheel of time, both asummed lost at sea only to build their own empires with these new peoples
Definitely want to know more about Planetos and even it’s solar system and galaxy beyond. Are there aliens in this universe? Perhaps the oily black stone is from an extraterrestrial civilization. Great video!
I think I saw David Lightbringer posit that the oily blackstone was inspired by something Lovecraft wrote. If that's true then i would expect that oily black stone maybe poisons the thoughts of people nearby.
I think the story of Brandon the Shipwright and Brandon the Burner reflect the story of the Ming Empire, during which the Third Emperor ordered ships to explore the whole world, and supposedly the Fourth Emperor decided to burn all of those ships (which probably didn't happen, he just burned the documentation for whatever reason).
A way for traders to not get to close to the iron islands they sail way around them and sailors use that beacon as a signal. and they trade with the lonely islands and the lone islands dont attack the ships and get trade/supplies. a win/win
If the dark stone was imported from west of westeros, Asshai is made ONLY of dark stone, so what if there wasn't an equivalent to the americas in our world but rather just west of westeros is directly essos, which could explain why there is just so much more dark stone around asshai (assuming asshai is close-ish to the east coast of essos and thus whoever brought it to western via the sunset sea)
Here's a theory I havent seen anywhere else: Brandon the Shipwright sailed west....and then south....right to the Iron Islands. He became the Grey King and the first Ironborn. Ironborn were often called the wolves of the seas. Grey King was a pirate. Brandon the Shipwright built ships. Could even be Bran the Builder as he is known for building things. It all fits. I think a lot of these mythological characters are the same person just with a different spin. Its possible Brandon/Grey King found his mermaid wife at Lonely Light.
In universe an interesting puzzle, how many of the not-returning sailors perished on sea and how many, if any, reached and remained on that hypothetical land beyond the sunset sea?
Maybe the New world fleet/Brandon starks old fleet will come and fight the redwyne fleet in winds of winter, who knows maybe a secret stark descendant has survived
Most are assuming Faranos would directly resemble the modern Americas, a massive contiguous impassable landmass. I dont see this as likely based on the example of Westeros, Essos, and Sothoryos. I would look to the Americas during the Cretaceous period, when Central America was under a large sea, North America was bisected by a large sea across the Great Plains, and South America was only the Andes and the Amazon connected by a narrow land bridge in the region of modern Paraguay.
I saw the fabled land west of Westeros was a mixture of the Americas and Atlantis, but who knows the truth until George gets around to giving us more information?
I think given GRRM's living in the southeast and respect for history and southwest culture, there's almost certainly ideas in his head on a civilization such as that. Regardless, the wonder is the point of it and idk if he'll ever really finish it. If it ever does become finished, I think he'd want this successor to do it.
@@CrusaderChrisHe discovered America is what he did! He was a great Italian explorer! And in this house, Christopher Columbus is a hero - end of story! 😡🍝
Wasn't implied it just wraps around to essos later on though? Like where the one evil greyjoy is moving around with his fleet so fast no one can believe it and the other characters don't know how he's doing it? I thought it was pretty solidly implied he was just sailing around the world and back.
Clearing up a few things I worded poorly in the video:
- Yes, Leif Erikson and Norse colonists discovered the Americas before Columbus and established settlements; my point was the exact timeframe (i.e. 500 years before Columbus) is, to my knowledge, disputed a little bit. So I didn't want to say Leif found North America 500 years before Columbus with certainty.
- Human sacrifice is just a small component of the rich Aztec / mesoamerican cultures; the reason I singled out their sacrificial methods was to point out one way this fabled land in the Sunset Sea might not be a paradise, like some (i.e. Gylbert Farwynd) believe. I think it's relevant since the Aztecs were a part of the "New World," and this fabled land would be like Westeros's "New World." I don't want to boil down the entire Aztec culture to human sacrifice.
- I didn't go into the Deep Ones in this video, as I'm trying to keep my runtimes shorter, but another theory I really enjoy is that the Deep Ones are real, they're responsible for the Oily Black Stone and the Seastone Chair, and perhaps they have an underwater kingdom (i.e. the submerged city of Atlantis) in the Sunset Sea; the fabled land is actually a water city, not a land city. Pretty cool option as well.
In 1487 the Aztecs sacrificed between 10000 and 80400 people in a 4 day period. I know, it's a rich and beautiful civilization with great food, wondrous cultural traditions, and friendly people, but are you sure human sacrifice is a *small* component of that culture? I mean, the Boltons don't have a 112 feet in length and 40 feet wide skull rack like archeologists found near Templo Mayor and human sacrifice is quite an important component of their cultural traditions.
Anyway, great video as always
@@mi38029 Yeah well people got mad at me for only mentioning the human sacrifice, then people got mad at me for downplaying the human sacrifice. So idk man... I'm not a historian, but I did do research, and yeah seems like human sacrifice was kind of a big deal over there
@@CrusaderChris Hah, that's what you get for caring what nobodies on the internet think. People who got mad because you didn't extensively describe their perception of the Aztecs in a 15 minute asoiaf video probably wouldn't care about the corrections anyway and just... add your head to the pile.
@@mi38029 you do realize you're one of the "nobodies", right? He was talking about you, too
@@comicmoniker Of course. I just happen to be one with the correct amount of chromosomes.
What no winds does to a mofo
Fr 😂 this is so batshit
Bri were all losing it
we're all being madder and madder for every year there's no winds
How is this mad lol
Are you guys new to the concept of magical fantasy world deep lore? haha
Starks lied. Winter is not coming, can't even feel its Winds 😂
So you’re telling me that in a few hundred years a dragon is going to fly into the world trade center
A second dragon has hit the tower
“Sir, you are NOT going to believe this”
Dragon fire cannot melt black stone.
Yeah, their going to attack Braavos and crash into the twin temples of Semosh and Selloso 🤣🤣🤣
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7:06 A really overlooked sneaky detail is right here. “Wild pigs” implies that other humans have been there before. Pigs don’t naturally appear on islands. Especially not remote ones. When Spanish explorers were navigating the Americas and found an island, they would release breeding pairs of pigs and leave. On their sail back months or years later, the island would be full of pigs when they returned. A great food source for sailors weary from travel but the pigs had no natural predators and usually decimated the islands ecosystems. It’s an incredible detail that almost confirms that Elissa Farman isn’t the first to get to the islands.
Interesting. Seems the lizards kept the pigs in check.
@@concept5631lizards as big as deer probably Komodo dragons so most likely
That's a very interesting fact.Thank you for sharing!
Yep likely why the dodo 🦤 died out
Doesnt really make sense since its not specified what kind of pigs these are. And since we dont know what kind of pigs these animals are, we cant say that they were domesticated pig that were released there, and could be just native hogs or similar species. Still a nice theory that kinda makes sense if we consider Nymeria`s travel, perhaps few ships went further west or something.
Fun fact: If you have the Sunset Invasion DLC (which revolves around an Aztec invasion of Europe) for Crusader Kings 2 downloaded and are playing with the A Game of Thrones mod, there’s a chance that said Sunset Invasion (of Westeros) is led by a Stark of Brandon the Shipwright’s branch.
They invaded me once, with a shit ton of dragons. After that I always disable this in game rules.
Best CK2 mod imo
@@morganhall-cottrell9512 Maybe if it wasn't so prone to save corruption. I'd say GoA (warcraft mod) is better since it's actually playable long term.
@@Yue_Jin That's where my ADHD powers come in handy, I don't play any Paradox game "long term" I just keep restarting with new scenarios cause I get bored
Not Canon
A Lighthouse would be very useful for whoever lived and fished on lonely islands weeks away from land. Seal skin and Seal leather are very valuable products afterall.
Yeah but they still have to said for EIGHT FRIGGING DAYS just to get to Iron Island proper which isnt exactly Volantis when it comes to international trade. Idk who they're gonna sell that sealskin to
@burtan2000 Seal Skins used to be hunted for in the Arctic regions in the real world. From there, the skins would shipped all over the world in voyages lasting weeks. Properly salted seal skin will last a good long time, in a ships cargo hold.
In the Iron Islands, the Sailors will have need for, and knowledge on how to develop seal leather products. The Iron Islands buy the seal furs and make their own gear, and some of them also sell the leather further on. A good chunk of the Iron Islanders are traders, not pirates.
@@burtan2000 Not to mention how do they keep the fire burning? It doesn't look like there is much in the way of wood or any other burnable materials there. You would need regular supply runs just to keep the fire burning.
We know there was a huge flood in the ancient past after the Hammer of the Waters. I think Lonely Light was probably the main lighthouse for the westcoast of westeros pre-flood.
@williamhermann6635 There is a Giant Lighthouse at Old Town as well, I recall. Perhaps they are connected?
I very nearly made a video about House Farwynd this week and now I'm quite glad that I did not. Great work as always!
still dew it
Quinn i am the number 1 House Farwynd supporter, you must make this i beg of you, i need more house Farwynd content
Arya skinchanges her wolf from Braavos to the very West of the Riverlands, that's really fucking far lol
5G must be banned
That's like two time zones apart
@@concept5631 two time zones for people that have boats and wagons as their faster transportation
@@Ghasthund That's... still two or three timezones.
@@concept5631far more bro
Gilbert Farwynd said he’s make every man a king and every man a queen.
Every man a king? Exactly like Huey Long, a Louisiana politician, used to say. So it stands to reason House Farwynd is Cajun and the Iron Islanders are Americans, come to spread liberty, freedom, and justice for all to westeros.
Euron Greyjoy for President 2024
This is deeply weird and disturbing, also funny and ironic.
Also just disturbing.
You have one twisted sense of humor.
This is top tier
I actually think Westeros is a stand-in for America rather than Europe, and Essos is the Eurasian supercontinent. Which would make the Iron Islands the Wild West, which makes a lot of sense
Hopefully he isn't assassinated like Huey Long
@@ericlayton8888 no
Its too bad the Maesters dont seem to practice trignometry. With it they could calculate how large the Spherical Planet of ASOIAF is. That would give us good estimates to work with on what is where.
Who says it's a sphere?
@@Mathemagical55George himself has stated its round.
@@Mathemagical55 gravitational rounding
@@Mathemagical55math
I'm pretty sure they already know it's a sphere, and they should be able to estimate its circumference considering the level of technology they have in the setting
I think there’s an argument to be made for Arya being just as powerful a skinchanger as Bran. Not only has she warged more than one animal, she warged Nymeria from a whole different continent. If she had training and actually knew what she was doing, she has the potential to be quite powerful
She also used her will, through her wolf, to cause her mom's rebirth (dreamt the one person she knew capable of resurrection to manifest and raise her)
Is distance correlated with power as a skin changer though? Or does distance not really matter at all as long as you're bonded to that particular animal?
@@Dell-ol6hb I’m not sure. I know to Wall separates them, but that seems to be magical. It seems like a whole continent away would be harder, but maybe not. She does show that she’s a skinchanger and not just a warg though since she can see through the eyes of the cat at the House of Black and White
The faceless men dropped the ball on that one
Wild pigs on an island are significant. Historically sailors would leave populations of pigs on islands in order to provide a food source for later trips. If there are wild pigs on an island it means someone has been there before, and planned to come come back.
Nice analysis
One great theory I heard in the disputed lands channel was that oily black stone comes from weirwoods that died and petrified. 1) an archimaster told Sam in the citadel that weirwoods don't die, they become stone 2) the shade of the evening is an oily liquid that comes from an paralel tree to the weirwood that is said to drink the light 3) the land south of ashai has lots of black trees. If that is true than ashai could have been built with such tree, as well as lonely light form the land just west of westeros.
Never heard this before
Pretty interesting plus the trees blows red. Maybe the oily substance comes from that
I have a feeling that this oily liquid is related to some sort of petroleum/natural gas being consumed by trees. And the creature from where it once came from is related ancient dead dragons and gigantic creatures that is far more dangerous and bigger than Balerion
Makes sense that Elysa failed, she perhaps was too South, if she was even bellow the Summer Isles level, as far as it's described as a land with no winter, it should be arround the Neck or bellow, arround, perhaps at the same altitude to Essos, Lonely Light may be the furthest north this hypothetical land reaches.
The sea snake claimed he saw her ship in Ahshi, but it had no crew. This is George’s way of confirming the world is round
sothryos extends south so far a dragon flew south for 3 yrs and couldnt find the end, this implies everything in the known world is still quite a bit above the hemisphere, in fact the summer isles are probably around mexico level or sonething, like cuba perhaps, this means there is a heck ton of land south to hit, more likely the western land isnt one connected landmass like the americas and thus she just got unlucky and passed right through a couple continents
@@XiaoYueMaothat's what I assume. If lady Farman made it to Essos going westward that means there's no giant landmass, Essos goes further around the world or she sailed through & missed continent sized islands.
@@jackj9816 It's George's way of having a fun tale to spawn fan theories. He confirmed the world was round in an interview. He didn't need to put it in a book. The fact they build tall lighthouses already proves Planetos is round as well. A tall lighthouse is completely pointless if you live on a flat world, and you would never build one. You'd build them all at ground level and save the resources. Lighthouses are solely built to be tall so you can see it over the horizon. That's not a factor on a flat world, since there's no horizon that stuff will dip below. Lighthouses prove the world is round, not some probably untrue sailor story that's basically a small reference to Odysseus' journey (all of George's Eastern lore is just referential and made to pay homage to writers he loves) and a way to feed fan theories and make the world feel more alive.
And that’s how Brandon Stark became the king of Brasil
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Oily black stone is very common here in Brasil
malora and leyton have been hosting a radio show all this time??? they should’ve just said so 🙄🙄
They have been, but since tinfoil hasn't been invented in Planetos yet, no one has the right hats to hear them!
when I saw the map of the lonely light to the west of the Iron Islands, i immediately thought of st kilda, to the west of the hebrides in Scotland. They are the last islands in Scotland/British isles before you reach the Americas.
technically rockall is further west but it is uninhabited.
George R.R. Martin likes to create analogues of historical figures like:
- Brandon Shipwright = Lief Erikssen.
- Elissa Farman = Christopher Columbus.
- Lomas Longstride = Marco Polo.
Also: Abu Bakr II resembles Brandon (The brother of Mansa Musa). He created a giant fleet of Malian ships, to pursue a story of a western land to the west of West Africa. Mali was the richest nation in the old world at the time due to its salt and gold. His journey and disappearance westward forever changed Mali. It ended Mali/an African state from attempting to become a naval power - and it led to the rise of Mansa Musa who tried to rival his brother but instead journeyed east to Mecca - spending so much gold that it caused significant inflation globally
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Seems much more likely to me that the only continent west of Westeros is the unmapped east of Essos. Elissa Farman arrived there, with her 3 dragon eggs, wich problably became Dany's dragon eggs. There is a theory that Elissa might have learned Ashai magic to live much more than a normal human, like Melissandre, and became Quaithe. This means that the Ironborne are problably also descendent from east Essos people. And actualy I have a theory that they might be related to the Bloodstone emperor, especially Euron. Oily Blackstone seems to be always linked to the Great Empire of the Dawn. As for Brandon Stark, he problably just sank along with the rest of his fleet. His story is quite similar to the Malinense king Abu Bakr, who also made and joined a great fleet to cross the Atlantic, only to never be seen again.
edit: I intensely tripped when I said Elissa problably arrived with the eggs on Ashai. The eggs were selled in Bravos for financing the fleet (just as it wouldn't make sense to take the eggs during it).
I think too that Quaithe is Elissa
@@kinggidorah6910 Elissa Farman left her three eggs in Braavos as payment for asylum and construction of the Sun Chaser I believe. The Braavosi don't build ships for free.
@@eriktillman8114 You're absolutely right. I remember the eggs were related to Elissa, but forgot she left it bravos. So, the closest evidence to her completing the trip to Essos is her ship problably being spotten by the Sea Snake.
sothryos extends south so far a dragon flew south for 3 yrs and couldnt find the end, this implies everything in the known world is still quite a bit above the hemisphere, in fact the summer isles are probably around mexico level or sonething, like cuba perhaps,
what this means in practice, is, assuming the world is a sphere (which GRRM said it is), then with that much space down south, naturally the west and east must also be similarly massive as well, as a dragon can cross essos in months, let alone 3 yrs, there MUST be a continent west of westeros that isnt essos, unless essos actually is as long as sothryos is tall, which would be wild as heck having two similarly sized supermassive continents
@@XiaoYueMaoit seems the planet is way bigger than real life earth.
I personally follow the Great Empire of the Dawn dragon riders theory to explain the presence of black stone and oily black stone, with all the places it can be found having been outposts/colonies that cover the sea south of Essos and western Westeros (there are none north of Essos or east of Westeros due to the Arm of Dorne). With Ashi being the empires capital. So im not sure black stone came from across the Sunset Sea.
As for an Americas is Planetos, Im not sure, its possible, and would fit with how the existing continents mirror our own. But I definately think Elissa went around the world and landed in Ashi.
But the Farwynds deffo know more then they are letting on, I agree they are probably skinchanges (or atleast their head is) and they know more about the Sunset Sea then anyone.
It did but the empire went east and reached Westeros after the cataclysm
@@durrangodsgrief6503 I was the same, but I kind of roped Yeen in as having been one of there colonies that tied them to Westeros. But given that we dont know whats easter of the Shadow Lands and how Elissa got there, I deffo think theybcould have also reached Westeros via the Sunset Sea
when the gylbert talks about the lands west it sounds like a cheeky nod to the undying lands in lotr but the lands themselves did not make it undying it was its inhabitants something men in that world did not understand.
When I was a small summer child to this story I loved the idea and thought it was George foreshadowing the others were going to really be an apocalyptic threat and almost wipe out all of Westeros because of all the in fighting. The dream of spring would be the banners of house stark coming over the horizon to “save the day” and help what remained of our hero’s fight and push back the others. But after the show I realized that was a pipe dream lol. I also thought the others would attack from every shore at once. The dead would come marching out of the water forcing everyone to the center of Westeros aka Harrenhall for one last battle which they would subversively lose
The last stand against the Others being at Harrenhal absolutely slaps
I really like this theory, I can see the Aztec-esque civilization being the origin of Oily Black Stone, and possibly on the same landmass as Stygai and the Shadowlands.
So just Even more Eastern Essos? Cuz the Shadowlands are quite firmly attached to the Far East.
@@Warden0190 That’s my guess, or perhaps a smaller continent very close to far eastern essos. Perhaps Ulthos?
Nah, Americos is in the way between Westeros and Essos. 😋
No everybody knows the Squishers are the origin of the oily black stone duh
The oily black stone is one of many Lovecraft references in Ice and Fire. The Deep Ones are an exact namedrop from Shadow Over Innsmouth, making the Drowned God Cthulu.
Yi Ti, Leng, Carcosa, Sarnath, and Ib are all direct name drops as well. N'ghai; the strange tribesmen north of Yi Ti, is a slight alteration of N'kai; the kingdom of Tsathogguah, the Toad God. The Great Other is none other than Ithaqua the Windwalker. The Black Goat of Qohor is The Black Goat Shub Niggurath, and I think the Old Gods of the Children of the Forest are also Shub Niggurath and her many children, for she is known as the All Mother and Lord of Forests. The Cult of Starry Wisdom is another direct namedrop, meaning Nyarlathotep exists in Planetos, and I would also parralel him to the Many Faced God, as he is a shapeshifter and bears the title The Faceless God. I may even go so far as saying that Euron Crowseye is the high priest of Starry Wisdom and has become an avatar of the Crawling Chaos. R'hllor is Cthugha the Living Flame, a star made of burning flesh 《Stannis' fiery heart》. The Red Comet even has a parallel, Ghroth the Harbinger, who travels space looking to destroy planets, awakening ancient magics with his psychic siren song. Following this rubric, the only benevolent deities are the Seven. They are clear parrallels to the Greek, Roman, and Germanic pantheons, which are the forms taken by the Elder Gods, the only pro-human entities in the Mythos, and also the least immediately powerful due to their lack of influence over the material realm.
Always good to see another one who goes full Lovecraft. The original dragons are extraterrestrials (shantaks and/or Byakhee) and came to Essos when Azor Ahai caused the death of Nissa Nissa, cracking the second moon, which brought forth the first dragons as per Qaartheen legend, clearly indicating that lightbringer is a dragonhorn, which also delivered the Shining Trapezohedron (from Yuggoth, the second moon). Lion of the Night is Hastur and he is still chilling nearby in the Hidden Sea, east of Yi Ti. Also, Ithaqua is buried at the lowest level of the crypts of Winterfell and the CotF worship the Cthonians, which are also known as firewyrms, communicate telepathically (weirwood hivemind; the trees are just for show) and can cause earthquakes
The idea that there could be other Stark’s to this unknown land is brought further home by Arya’s desire to sail west. How cool would it be for her to follow in the footsteps of her ancestors, sail west, and find distant relatives living there.
As a member of the Cult of Starry Wisdom and a subscriber to David Lightbringer, I like to think that oily black stone is made of meteorites and the various structures built out of it were made by the great empire of the dawn. Also, warging into a whale would be epic. Also again, we need to have a Patchface spinoff to see if the Deep Ones are real
Deep Ones are Squishers and totally legit. How else does one explain the Sistermen or the inhabitants of the Thousand Islands?
I stumbled across your lore channel by accident. Im so glad I did, because I love your presentation style.
I enjoy all the theroy-crafting of ASOIAF from different channels, as no one really can pin it down, except maybe George, and maybe not even him.
GoT yourself another subscriber.
Thank you, I'm happy you enjoy it
1:12 That's really nice of them to set up a beacon especially for the seals.
Personally, I like to think if you walk far enough beyond the wall, you eventually loop back around and wind up in Sothorios.
that would be one hell of a trip
You'll end up at the five forts once you somehow get past the lands of always winter
Or in North-east Essos
If u walk from Canada north u don't just pop up in the south pole 😂 you would still have to travel half a globe to there and the north pole doesn't stretch all the way to the south pole
Great video. Two things I took away from it (assuming the "lost Stark kingdom" to the west exists):
1. It would be a cool parallel to Seanchan from the Wheel of Time series. GRRM is a fan of WoT, although I am not suggesting that he was necessarily inspired by it in this instance. Brandon the Shipwright could be the ASOIAF equivalent of Luthair Pendraeg from WoT. Luthair sailed west, discovered and conquered a new continent called Seanchan, and was never heard from again. His descendants returned to attempt to reconquer the Westlands (their original home continent).
2. Assuming that Arya's ending in the show is canonical in the books, it would be cool for her to reunite with the lost branch of her House beyond the sunset sea.
You continue to kill it Chris! Another great video!
I think it can be true at the same time that some people go west and hit nothing but endless grey ocean, whereas others hit a continent.
On Earth, Chris Columbus and the Conquistadors were lucky, in that North and South America stretch virtually all the way down from the North Pole to Antarctica. Just go west, and you can't help but hit it.
But imagine a world where between the Atlantic and Pacific was a continent about half the size our Western two continents, at least latitudinally? Or even just the size of Australia or something?
If Planetos was like that, then some explorers who go west but a little too far north or too far south, latitudinally, would just bypass the continent entirely and never see it.
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Columbus never wanted to discover new land to the West, he wanted to reach India by sailing West
Well now I’m curious about the logistics required to keep a beacon (large enough for ships to see) burning 24/7 on a rocky island that’s eight days of sailing away from the nearest islands, which are also mostly just rocks. I imagine it takes a lot of work to keep that place supplied with a constant supply of firewood. Or maybe they burn seal oil?
Probably oil
Probably Oil & dried kelp/seaweed.
I keep thinking of Norm Macdonald Live and how he kept pronouncing “Iron”
I wouldn’t say Brandon is Leif Erickson, he’s Abu Bakr II of Mali. Way more parallels between the two
One thing we should keep in mind about the so-called Aztecs is how diverse the empire was. There were many different Nahuatl speaking cultures, and only the Mexica ruled over the others and sacrificed (some) war captives.
The other Nahua peoples rebelled against the Mexica several times. There were also non-Nahua people who were under the thumb of the Mexica, such as Mayans and Mixtecs and Otomis.
There are many people today who descend from the so called Aztecs and they still speak their ancestral language, and it would be awful to misrepresent them as the descendants of an evil empire. As in ASOIAF, most of them were macehualmeh, of smallfolk.
Oily black stone. Asphalt? Shale with high petroleum? That kind of stuff is resistant to most plant growth.
Plastic
Yes there is another land. The oily black stone is martins version of our “lost civilization “ that shared knowledge around the world. Just like in the book there’s no explanation for this stone appearing all over the world. The same can be said of our world and pyramids. It’s one thing you find everywhere with no explanation as to why
Skinchanging IS an inherited ability! It just doesn’t always manifest and requires a bond with an animal to even discover. It’s also a dormant trait that skips generations but is very much inherited through bloodlines.
How can the lighthouse burn day and night if it is build on a desolate rock? What are they burning?
As far as I know, boats can get lost, lighthouses help ships guide themselves during foggy days and dark nights.
Bran saw a young man with tan skin, a long face, dark grey eyes, and dark brown hair with a strand of eagles feathers tied into it looking eastwards over a cliff side. His arms that were revealed from his peculiar cloak had drawings of wolves, weirwoods, and longships ships full of men on them. “Is this Jon in the future?” Bran asked.
“No this is the present” Lord Brynden responded.
“I don’t understand, he’s like a Stark but I’ve never seen him or anyone like him.”
“You and your siblings may be the only Starks left in Westeros but not in the world.”
A rustle came from the small trees behind the man and he turned to face the noise like he was expecting it. Out came, it couldn’t be, Bran was frozen with surprise, Uncle Benjen? Benjen smiled at the man like Bran had never seen him do, “Josiah said the fleet will be ready sail tomorrow, we’re going home cousin.”
Is this a quote from a book?
@@gcap7711 no
What is this from?
Where is this passage from?
@@wobbegong_23 I made it up
1:50 starks about skagos
Veil towards sistermen
I think the land beyond the sunset sea would be the eastern coast of Ulthos, the continent we can barely see on the map.
Ulthos probably extends south, not east. I don't remember which Targaryen princess did it, but she flew for weeks over Ulthos, going southwards, and never reached the end of the continent
@@doomerbloomer6160 No, she flew over Sothoryos.
Honestly I doubt Ulthos is even a continent, we just barely see the edge of it, for all we know it could just be some peninsula of Esso or Soroyths.
Brother what even is an Ulthos I've seen that map for years and never noticed it 😭
Fantastic work as always! I can’t wait for your video on Dany and Meereen
given most of ASOIAF is based on british history, im actually suprised the lost settlers of roanoke weren't referenced at all.
or the fact that farwynd may be a reference to the irish fishermen we now know were secretly trading with native americans long before columbus found it.
also, as for Elissa Farman, that may be a reference to a dutch explorer who found the east indies, then found new zealand, and completely missed australia.
Look up the legend kf the welsh or English king who supposedly sailed to America before everyone else , interbred with the loca tribes and later the explorers found a tribe of native Americans with fair skin who spoke words of welsh. I think that’s what George is referencing more so than Chris Columbus
You now, 8 days from Euron is a good policy at this point in time.
Getting northern Skyrim vibes from this one...always a beautiful point in a playthrough getting to the ice platforms and horker seals
Is oily black stone a petroleum analogy?
Bro this is such a great and well made video. Keep it up, you've gained a new subscriber
With how GRRM links sources of magic to either coming from the same source (ie, there are multiple groups of the Children of the Forest throughout the world) or opposing forces (Rhollor and the Great Other). Thus I think 'oily black stone' is fused dragonstone that has come corrupted or stained by evil. This parallels the dark mystery of Asshai, which is a massive city bigger Kingslanding, Volantese, Old Town, and Qaarth combined. Yet it is terribly cursed after the Blackstone Emperor started worshipping necromancy and caused the First Long Night. Thus I think oily blackstone is linked to evil necromancy and worship of the Great Other (who takes many forms such as the Black Goat, the Drowned god), and is corrupted, like the sea stone chair. The Iron Islands followed the Old Gods until the followers of Great Other (drowned god) chopped down the massive weirwood grove on Old Wyk.
Lonely Light IS cool. Makes me want a short story exploring what it’s like there.
SPOILER for the wheel of time books. In the wheel of time books there is a king who builds a great fleet led by his son in order to explore an unknown sea, his fleet never comes back so everyone thinks it was lost, but after a thousand years during the main series they come back and find out that they did find land and that they conquered it and its people, and now they want to conquer their ancestor home.
I'm reasonably sure the "oily black stone" is a Lovecraft reference
*What if the land undiscovered was real, and a group of Vikings like people lived there? What if they've started planning an invasion of Westeros?* Actually, they could do something like that for a sequel series (we'll never get one of those lol).
return of the king
Okay, Allyssa Farman is Captain Cook then - Columbus never circumnavigated!
Since the three small islands are under the latitude of Summer Isles and Asshai, Ulthos, and saffron strait are near that latitude, could it be possible that there is no new continent beyond the sunset sea? as the sunchaser was told that it ended up in asshai port, probably after crossing the saffron strait or maybe circumnavigating southern shore of Ulthos.
Ok, I'll ponder. The Wynds of Winter? Humour, unless it's not...
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Damn, I have a feeling that there's this dude Ar-Pharazon beyond western sea already waiting his appointment into the paradise 😂
This is the kinda stuff I love. We will never truly know how our universe or world was before written records and how it all began, but we can live vicariously through the people of westeros and esos and find an answer for a fantasy world at least. Southorious is Antarctica(exact opposite but same place) and ulthos is Australia and all adjacent islands n such. Obviously esos is like Africa and Asia and westeros is Europe. There could be something akin to the Americas between westeros and eastern esos.
that Christopher columbus bit had me laughing my ass off 😅
In Wheel of time you also have Prince who was sent across the Western Ocean with a fleet and vanished. 1000 years later his descendants return - and it's nothing but trouble for the old homeland. As George started his saga a few years past WoT, I think he will be careful to avoid certain tropes.
Could the lost Stark ships be the ancestors of house Farwynd?
This theory goes so hard!
Okay now we need an Elissa Farman show.
what if essos is like Europe a single massive continent and when Alysa ship was found in asshai it would be like someone sailing from America and landed in the Persian gulf
If the long night was actually only 5000 years ago could the base of the high tower then be an early attempt at fused stone fortresses since valrya would be rising around this time?
The hightower fused stone is an outpost from the first dragonriders/gemstone emperors., like how Dragonstone is for the Targaryens.
I like the parallel between Bran Shipwright and the son of Arthur Hawkwing in the wheel of time, both asummed lost at sea only to build their own empires with these new peoples
the outro music is very nice :)
Brandon Stark exiled to Brazil
there is a fanfic called sunset starks about the shipwrights decendants
Don't Hodor's eyes change to grey when he Bran in him? What if Gilbert has a passenger too?
Definitely want to know more about Planetos and even it’s solar system and galaxy beyond. Are there aliens in this universe? Perhaps the oily black stone is from an extraterrestrial civilization. Great video!
The oily stone comes from Shade of the Evening tree. Like the Weirwood the Shade of the Evening wood petrifys.
I think I saw David Lightbringer posit that the oily blackstone was inspired by something Lovecraft wrote. If that's true then i would expect that oily black stone maybe poisons the thoughts of people nearby.
I think the story of Brandon the Shipwright and Brandon the Burner reflect the story of the Ming Empire, during which the Third Emperor ordered ships to explore the whole world, and supposedly the Fourth Emperor decided to burn all of those ships (which probably didn't happen, he just burned the documentation for whatever reason).
It’s undeniable that the Starks trace their history to the Iron Islands. Your idea is a good one
A way for traders to not get to close to the iron islands they sail way around them and sailors use that beacon as a signal. and they trade with the lonely islands and the lone islands dont attack the ships and get trade/supplies. a win/win
If the dark stone was imported from west of westeros, Asshai is made ONLY of dark stone, so what if there wasn't an equivalent to the americas in our world but rather just west of westeros is directly essos, which could explain why there is just so much more dark stone around asshai (assuming asshai is close-ish to the east coast of essos and thus whoever brought it to western via the sunset sea)
Here's a theory I havent seen anywhere else: Brandon the Shipwright sailed west....and then south....right to the Iron Islands. He became the Grey King and the first Ironborn. Ironborn were often called the wolves of the seas. Grey King was a pirate. Brandon the Shipwright built ships. Could even be Bran the Builder as he is known for building things. It all fits. I think a lot of these mythological characters are the same person just with a different spin. Its possible Brandon/Grey King found his mermaid wife at Lonely Light.
In universe an interesting puzzle, how many of the not-returning sailors perished on sea and how many, if any, reached and remained on that hypothetical land beyond the sunset sea?
house stark brazilian Paradise Kingdom confirmed??? 😱
Great video!
This is a loooooooooooooong shot. Really, really long shot.
Can't believe George left a Bioshock reference in his books
Maybe the New world fleet/Brandon starks old fleet will come and fight the redwyne fleet in winds of winter, who knows maybe a secret stark descendant has survived
Most are assuming Faranos would directly resemble the modern Americas, a massive contiguous impassable landmass. I dont see this as likely based on the example of Westeros, Essos, and Sothoryos. I would look to the Americas during the Cretaceous period, when Central America was under a large sea, North America was bisected by a large sea across the Great Plains, and South America was only the Andes and the Amazon connected by a narrow land bridge in the region of modern Paraguay.
I saw the fabled land west of Westeros was a mixture of the Americas and Atlantis, but who knows the truth until George gets around to giving us more information?
13:34 hol up. i cue quaith: "to go west, you must go east" danny asshai arc confirmed???
All these kinds of videos are a result of no winds for 13 years
I think given GRRM's living in the southeast and respect for history and southwest culture, there's almost certainly ideas in his head on a civilization such as that. Regardless, the wonder is the point of it and idk if he'll ever really finish it. If it ever does become finished, I think he'd want this successor to do it.
Columbus wasn't the benevolent explorer as he's portrayed
Yeah he was a bit of a rascal to say the least
@@CrusaderChrisHe discovered America is what he did! He was a great Italian explorer! And in this house, Christopher Columbus is a hero - end of story! 😡🍝
Wasn't implied it just wraps around to essos later on though? Like where the one evil greyjoy is moving around with his fleet so fast no one can believe it and the other characters don't know how he's doing it? I thought it was pretty solidly implied he was just sailing around the world and back.