The World of Sonic Fan Remakes

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  • Опубликовано: 20 дек 2024

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  • @NotDynimiteDuck
    @NotDynimiteDuck Год назад +73

    FIRST (pls pin i love ur videos)

  • @Filipico_w3
    @Filipico_w3 Год назад +129

    Fun Fact: The guy who made the Sonic 2 HD soundtrack is also the same guy who made the Sonic Mania (and some of Sonic Superstars) soundtrack. That guy so happened to be Tee Lopes himself.

    • @love.sadhazel
      @love.sadhazel Год назад +9

      Sega always being W bringing guys that makes amazing fangames of sonic to make a new game

    • @szszabolcs9582
      @szszabolcs9582 9 месяцев назад +2

      And...Tony Leys also works on S2HD as a music composer

  • @DefinitelyNotClassicShadow
    @DefinitelyNotClassicShadow Год назад +256

    I think SEGA and Sonic Team should endorse stuff like Triple Trouble 16-Bit and P-06.

    • @FlamesOverdrive
      @FlamesOverdrive Год назад +26

      Hell yeah, I'd love those games on my Xbox.

    • @idkdude1350
      @idkdude1350 Год назад +25

      Maybe they’ll pull a fnaf fanverse initiative.
      They wouldn’t do P-06 since they wouldn’t like to even mention 2006

    • @Fmac117
      @Fmac117 Год назад +23

      ​@idkdude1350 crisis city in generations, 06 songs in newer projects like smash bros and frontiers, mephiles in the mobile games...
      Sega doesn't reject 06 as part of sonics history

    • @Kiezly
      @Kiezly Год назад +12

      @@idkdude1350I disagree. If they can release a perfect not buggy not bad version of 06, specifically ChaosX’s P-06, they would do it for sure. They don’t hate 06 they just don’t wanna release it cuz it’s buggy and unfinished and is embarrassing.

    • @idkdude1350
      @idkdude1350 Год назад +4

      @@Kiezly they did release it anyways

  • @theanonymousgamer4638
    @theanonymousgamer4638 Год назад +41

    Sega should offer royalties to the devs of these remakes and port them to modern consoles. These are SO well done and deserve to be played by everyone! P-06 especially. That one's on a whole 'nother level!

    • @Fafaboi
      @Fafaboi Год назад +1

      true I agree with this but even though it's never going to happen because Sega and Sonic team generally just want to move on from past mistake they did (I know 06 is a disaster and has been a dead horse for the past few years But hey project-06 is so much better)
      also if Sega did offer them that would be cool and not only port fan game in the modern consoles oh but I would like to see completely changing the story of the original 06

    • @sonsique
      @sonsique 4 месяца назад

      @@Fafaboii never understand why we have this mindset to endlessly remake games that were released perfectly well when it’s a lot more interesting to remake something that was never finished

  • @jackhumphries1087
    @jackhumphries1087 Год назад +57

    I’d like to mention that the reason sonic 2 hd’s soundtrack sounds like mania’s soundtrack is that tee lopes actually did some of the tracks for 2 hd

    • @Fresh_YT
      @Fresh_YT Год назад +2

      All of them

    • @CloroxBleach42069
      @CloroxBleach42069 4 месяца назад

      ​@@Fresh_YT not really, some got changed into Toni Leys' remix.

    • @Fresh_YT
      @Fresh_YT 4 месяца назад

      @@CloroxBleach42069 oh

  • @seematahir5970
    @seematahir5970 Год назад +67

    06 honestly had pretty decent graphics for it's time, and some really nice stage variety, though P-06 is still a big improvement visually.

    • @Leo-nm1ne
      @Leo-nm1ne Год назад +4

      Stage design was among one of the best in the games, and if anything i think that's a W Sonic holds above Mario in most of his games

    • @justryan6480
      @justryan6480 Год назад

      P-06 improves a lot more than just the visuals

    • @darthtyranus787
      @darthtyranus787 Год назад +4

      ​@@justryan6480like controls,collision,cutscenes(not the cgi and cgi in game-mixed cutscenes they were ok)and speed sections

  • @sidequest2230
    @sidequest2230 2 месяца назад +1

    The triple trouble remake is legit one of my current favorite sonic games

  • @IconicCROSS
    @IconicCROSS 3 месяца назад +3

    Sonic 2 HD is actually how I found out about tee lopes about 11-12 years ago now

  • @KhaosKontroller
    @KhaosKontroller Год назад +19

    I wish we'd get an update on Sonic Advance Revamped. It only has 3 acts but it feels so much better than the original and they added Cream, Shadow and Blaze.
    But the last demo was in 2018.

  • @glowdonk
    @glowdonk Год назад +22

    I hope that in P06, we can get more settings for graphics, especially the lighting, cuz I wanna use the original game's lighting for the sake of nostalgia (I played 06 as a kid, but I rage quit harhar)

  • @NoahNCopeland
    @NoahNCopeland 20 дней назад

    glad you enjoy our re-imagined game, STT 16-bit! 😊

  • @Alexifeu
    @Alexifeu Год назад +7

    Dude Thank for finally adding P-06 :D i commentet that on the last video. Love your videos dude i binge watched so many of your videos in a few days. :D Thank you. I am sad cuz they still don't have boss fights or especially the map. When these get added i will be the happiest man. I want so see SONIC MAN. Sega has talked about Sonic Man recently on Insta.

  • @starfGD
    @starfGD 8 месяцев назад +3

    Fun fact (I think): The guy who made the beautiful animations for Sonic 2 HD, also worked on Sonic Mania! That explains why the animations in Mania are so smooth and nice. Also, great video, loved the editing style! :D

    • @jdh9419
      @jdh9419 2 месяца назад +1

      Idk about the animations, but one of the composers sure did!

  • @Hedgie3
    @Hedgie3 4 месяца назад +3

    Earlier this year I heard some news that Chaos X could possibly have the release that will have the Last Story and the boss battles in it be made downloadable either sometime later this year or early next year. Unfortunately that one will be the Final Release and it won't have the story mode and the hub-worlds in it. Don't loose hope though because the person who I heard about this final release from did mention that it is possible that after that final release becomes available, some other people could get interested in having themselves make downloadable mods of the story mode and the hub-worlds so that P-06 can be able to look more complete. My parents made a deal with me that I will share an amount of my own money with some of thier's so that I can get my own PC as my only Christmas gift this year. I've planned to try to play P-06 on that system and some friend will help me pick the right one.

    • @SaadakAbdulkadir
      @SaadakAbdulkadir 2 месяца назад

      Make sure to get a controller for it.
      If you cant then prepare for a bad keyboard control experience.

    • @Hedgie3
      @Hedgie3 2 месяца назад +1

      @@SaadakAbdulkadir I've been planning to get a controller for it from the start, but I need one that is both good enough in quality, looks good, and isn't too expensive. Finding one that has all of those things isn't easy, so is there any that you would recommend?

    • @SaadakAbdulkadir
      @SaadakAbdulkadir 2 месяца назад

      @@Hedgie3 the 8bitdo ultimate 2c is 30 dollars with hall effect joysticks. It uses the switch layout for buttons though. You can remap it in steam if you want

    • @Hedgie3
      @Hedgie3 2 месяца назад

      @@SaadakAbdulkadir Thanks, I'll check that controller out soon.

  • @KperaOfficial
    @KperaOfficial Месяц назад +1

    For anyone's curiosity, sonic 2 HD is still being worked on. Yeah the dev team still refuse to say anything (the 3d modeler of the special stages did say the project was alive but the tweet got deleted) and I bet they will stay silent on social media til demo 3.0 is finnished.
    What we'll have in the next demo is:
    -Super Sonic;
    -Special Stages;
    -Aquatic Ruin Zone.
    -Casino Night Zone.
    (most likely) Mac port and mobile port.
    Also they are working on an early version of Oil Ocean, Mystic Cave, elemental shields and a HD remake of Green Hill Zone/sonic1 HD as a side project.
    None of the streams showed any stuff related to knux or the last few stages of sonic2 after Oil Ocean except for a animation for sonic hanging in something (most likely his sprite in Wing Fortress)

  • @SoranotRoxas
    @SoranotRoxas Год назад +12

    I just downloaded Triple Trouble 16-bit and its really good. Wish Sega would endorse that one, even though they are moving on from pixel work.

  • @greysenmachan2928
    @greysenmachan2928 Год назад +3

    3:05 It's because they are. Mania's and 2H's Osts are both by Tee Lopes.

  • @knowingjordankid
    @knowingjordankid Год назад +3

    Sonic fan remakes are very good and again I’m not much of a fan of Sonic Fan games but Sonic Fan remakes I love and P-06 remake was amazing and I like it.

  • @SpeederLight
    @SpeederLight Год назад +3

    Loving the new videos and so happy for you that your channel is doing amazing! 😁 LETS GOOOOOOO

  • @kakhome1
    @kakhome1 Год назад +3

    A few additional fangame questions:
    1) Have you played Sonic Classic 2, Sonic 2 Advanced Edit, Hellfire Saga, or Megamix Mania?
    2) Favorite 3D fangames besides P06?
    Triple Trouble 16-Bit (which I know I specified not games from this video but still mentioning) is probably my overall pick for the best complete or near complete 2D fangame I've seen, there's others with more original zones or really great art or unique style but I don't think they quite come together as well in their variety, replayability, or level design and that gives TT16 a bit of an edge for me. Just my opinion! I haven't really looked into 3D fangames enough to say anything confidently.

    • @SFproductions1
      @SFproductions1  Год назад +3

      No I haven't played those lol. My favorite 3d fan game besides P06 is Sonic GT

  • @ItsNaylen
    @ItsNaylen Год назад +5

    Project 06 is probably one of my favorite fan projects in the sonic franchise but personally, I like sonic, one forever and sonic two absolute along with sonic three air in my opinion I feel like those are the definitive ways to play the classics

  • @HassantheamazingGamer750
    @HassantheamazingGamer750 Год назад +4

    Sonic triple trouble 16bit:❌
    The real sonic 4:✅

    • @2DCheese
      @2DCheese 9 месяцев назад

      it's opposite day.

  • @afhamdanish1957
    @afhamdanish1957 Год назад +2

    Fun fact the soundtrack from sonic 2 hd made by tee lopes itself that's why the soundtrack kinda like sonic mania

  • @furynvm
    @furynvm 10 месяцев назад +2

    Sonic 06 level design was always good.

  • @Natezilla_2
    @Natezilla_2 Год назад +2

    Chemical Plant in Sonic 2 HD is SSOOOO GOOD!!!!

  • @HedgehogY2K
    @HedgehogY2K Год назад +1

    4:44 not really. I tested out my NVS 2100M laptop GPU (DX11 is backwards compatible with DX10&10.1 Nvidia hardware) and apparently achieved about 30fps at the best of times in 640x480. I think my lowest fps was realistically 7fps when Shadow uses Chaos Blast... USE A GTX 280, I BEG YOU! I cannot deny what he said about requiring beefy hardware. Not that a GT 1030 is beefy but it will fill 1080p120 Low settings and back.

    • @SFproductions1
      @SFproductions1  Год назад

      Lmao I use an RTX 3050 and average 1080p 60fps AT MOST. GT 1030 won't cut it

  • @his5605
    @his5605 Год назад +1

    Great video but i have a question, in sonic project 06 although the remake of the game hasnt finished, is it possible to end the game?

    • @SFproductions1
      @SFproductions1  Год назад

      I think the credits roll after you beat every level

    • @his5605
      @his5605 Год назад

      @@SFproductions1 oh ok thx

  • @espiodaw
    @espiodaw Год назад +7

    so you talk about sonic 2 hd
    on sonic 2’s 31st anniversary
    on a Tuesday
    probably an uncanny coincidence but that was perfect!

  • @kakhome1
    @kakhome1 Год назад +2

    Apart from the 'remake' games highlighted in this video, what's your overall favorite Sonic fangames (top five or so)? They can be ones from the fangames video you made a month or so ago but also any you didn't talk about there as well.

    • @SFproductions1
      @SFproductions1  Год назад

      Fallen Star and Time Twisted are definitely up there

  • @Leikjarinn
    @Leikjarinn Год назад +1

    Triple Trouble 16bit ♥️

  • @jobbingtoaster1502
    @jobbingtoaster1502 Год назад +15

    Triple Trouble 16-Bit is so good that I have no problems with ranking it alongside the classic games. I think I love it more than Sonic 2.
    If you ever think about going a step further and doing a video on "Sonic inspired" games, I recommend Spark The Electric Jester 3. It's legitimately worthy of being called Sonic Adventure 3.

  • @elboz3460
    @elboz3460 Год назад +1

    p-06 literally made me so happy, cause I loved sonic 06 but could never finish it cause I don't have a xbox 360 anymore and it is glitchy

  • @lorenzo689
    @lorenzo689 11 месяцев назад +1

    Not sure if you missed it or just didn't know but, the true final boss of STT 16 bit is a reference to:
    -Rocket Metal Sonic, an unused Metal Sonic from Sonic The Fighters
    -and the other one i don't know it's name, but it's based on concept art for a Metal Sonic from the cancelled Sonic X-Treme

  • @MonceliaRichardson
    @MonceliaRichardson 5 месяцев назад

    I like sonic triple trouble 16 bit I'm glad you like it

  • @Jade_Geode
    @Jade_Geode 23 дня назад

    12:42 Uh… Amy in Sonic 3 A.I.R.? I have the Amy Galore mod, but that doesn’t have a set moveset since it’s super customizable, and other than that, she’s not in the vanilla game, so what are you talking about here?

  • @chillihog1543
    @chillihog1543 Год назад +1

    Triple Trouble also have Metal Sonic playable fyi and my favorite remake might be either Triple Trouble or P-06. I 100% Triple Trouble n enjoy the content it offered while P-06, man it looks sexy and im glad it fixes alot of characters movesets. I hope Kishimoto takes a look at P-06 n give Silver, Blaze, Omega, etc another chance for the future title

  • @randyrrs7028
    @randyrrs7028 Год назад +5

    Sega is leaving money on the table by not remaking adventure 1

    • @Tails_The_Fox92
      @Tails_The_Fox92 Год назад +4

      They did with Sonic Adventure DX and everybody said it was a terrible remake and it made less money then their budget, they don't want that to happen again

    • @rafaelzavros4391
      @rafaelzavros4391 Год назад +5

      ​@@Tails_The_Fox92DX was more of a remaster rather than a full blown remake

    • @joeboosta6309
      @joeboosta6309 Год назад +1

      Success from that upcoming third movie might convince SEGA to finally make official modern SA1 & SA2 remakes.

  • @sunshinex2012
    @sunshinex2012 6 месяцев назад

    Sonic 2 Hd’s soundtrack is fully out even the stages that haven’t been released

  • @jordancooney6817
    @jordancooney6817 Год назад +3

    If you search on Tee Lopes' channel, he made a lot more of the tracks that would have been used in Sonic 2 HD. You can go check that out if you wanna.

  • @Justhereforfunz
    @Justhereforfunz Год назад

    I can’t wait until p-06 is finished

  • @brbboi309
    @brbboi309 7 месяцев назад

    The moment a time machine gets invented I intend to travel back in time and give p-06 to sega

  • @nekonomicon2983
    @nekonomicon2983 Год назад

    Man i sure do love fan games.

  • @carolineneh2791
    @carolineneh2791 Год назад +1

    Hey Sf it is possible to play fan games on mobile phones and download mods on mobile phones

    • @SFproductions1
      @SFproductions1  Год назад +1

      Yes. Pretty sure all of these games have android ports

    • @FlamesOverdrive
      @FlamesOverdrive Год назад

      @@SFproductions1 2 HD doesn't, and P-06's port is SUPER outdated. But Triple Trouble is super up to date.

    • @lpfan4491
      @lpfan4491 Год назад +1

      Yeah, P-06 Android is like update 2 or 3 last time I checked. We are now so far removed from it that the version-scheme that replaced the original "update"-numbers has itself been recently replaced.

  • @ScorpionTamer
    @ScorpionTamer 2 месяца назад

    I didn't know P-06 implemented cutscenes. I know a story mode isn't planned, I wonder if the levels I played just didn't have any cutscenes made for them. I may not have an up to date version

  • @Panasonicy0uth
    @Panasonicy0uth Год назад +7

    I just played Sonic Triple Trouble 16-bit a couple of weeks ago, and it's easily a top 3 Sonic game behind S3K and Sonic Mania, IMO. It gave me that same feeling that playing S3K for the first time gave me, and that's saying something.

  • @Tails_The_Fox92
    @Tails_The_Fox92 Год назад +10

    I miss meeting sonic fans irl...

  • @justryan6480
    @justryan6480 Год назад

    And now we have Sonic Unleashed Plus, a remake for PC

  • @joeboosta6309
    @joeboosta6309 Год назад

    I've been planning to give P-06 a try, I just need to get a PC compatible gaming controller and learn from someone else how to download PC games. Me and my parents have a Windows 11 PC in our house, so that one will be able handle that game's data for sure. Then I will be ready to play it and download the next updates after Chaos X makes them. I've already heard of how much of an improved version this remake is and I think that both it and the original version interestingly look like an SA3 game in disguise!

  • @SpeedyNinja1152
    @SpeedyNinja1152 6 месяцев назад

    If I remember correctly, there's multiple remake of Sonic the Hedgehog 4 Episode I.

  • @noob_jr_2sjrkc
    @noob_jr_2sjrkc Год назад +1

    There's also the Levelhead remake of Sonic 1 *wink wink*

  • @abidobi1761
    @abidobi1761 Год назад

    Me who only clicked the vid for sonic triple trouble 16 bit btw the final trouble zone métal sonic looks like métal sonic Mach 3 from sonic rivals 2

  • @ToxicTheSigma
    @ToxicTheSigma 7 месяцев назад

    The Sonic Riders remakes are really good too maybe you could add them in a part 2

  • @Pikminenjoyerbunchofnumbers
    @Pikminenjoyerbunchofnumbers 8 месяцев назад

    Did you ever unlock metal sonic in triple trouble for free play because i dont remember you mentioning him

  • @DarkRei7
    @DarkRei7 Год назад

    damn I wish ChaosX makes an Unleashed fan remake after P-06 is done, Unleashed is a few mods away from being a perfect Sonic game
    the day stages only need a more controllable drift
    the night stages need to increase the werehog's damage against smaller enemies and remove the invisible barriers when fighting them, instead making the incentive to stop charging your range meter for the bigger fights and adding a damage bonus (see Forspoken's Ultimate mode where doing well in combat makes you do more damage), increase the werehog's speed while making ranks require faster completion time and RESTRICT THE FIGHT MUSIC to the big fights only, the night stages are not bad at all they just don't emphasize speed and drag on far too long with the werehog being slow.

  • @The_Prizessin_der_Verurteilung

    To be fair to 06 Amy.
    Amy has always sucked to play as. In Adventure, a slight 1° turn kills all momentum, she cannot walk up a slope to save her life, and her attacks bring you to a stand still.
    Sonic Heroes.
    Sonic 06 and the Advance trilogy were the same, I think Origins was the first time she was enjoyable in official releases. But P-06 is still a nice change considering it's the first 3D game she's been good in.

  • @squidzytispog
    @squidzytispog Год назад

    i mean, tee lopes DID make the sonic 2 hd tracks, along with mania, so its obvious as to why they sound similar

  • @CrappyProductionsOfficial
    @CrappyProductionsOfficial Год назад

    It's actually not the first 3 zones, it's the first two zones and Hill Top, Aquatic Ruin and Casino Night zone came before Hill Top so it's not the first three zones (for S2HD)

  • @scanchannel3259
    @scanchannel3259 Год назад

    what about the Sonic 1 and 2 sms remakes?

    • @2DCheese
      @2DCheese 9 месяцев назад

      True, those are dope.

  • @lpfan4491
    @lpfan4491 Год назад

    I don't really dislike most of the Sonic artstyles with a few nitpicky exceptions(I don't really like shiny player models in Heroes and Mania's colors are too light for me personally), but there isn't really such a thing as too much of a good thing in some siturations. Just because I like the pixelart does not stop Sonic 2 HD from looking pretty good.
    It has got that similar look to the official classic-artwork and implements the high quality 2D-visuals in such a way where it avoids that weird feeling Sonic 4's stage assets have.(I like Sonic 4, but I never said it doesn't have issues. Idk why, but the way its stages look reminds me of Fnaf 6 Tycoon mode, lol.)
    5:19 06 was simply ahead of its time in a bad way(So was the game before it in several ways, but that's a diffrent topic for another day years in the future). It tried to pull realism into the fantasy-sphere, but would have failed even if it was finished because I don't see how it would have started to be possible. Studio Blur's CGI cutscenes are the only part of it that actually captured that vision...at least until P-06 slapped the ingame visuals with that major upgrade. One of the rare times graphics are indeed more relevant than artdirection and the advancements of now almost 2 decades sure did a lot of work.
    10:42 Didn't many people say that it barely has any actual resemblance to the original? "It really could have reached its peak if it was completely diffrent".(Though tbf, I'm hypocritical here because my ideal SA1 remake would be to just completely reimagine most things. Amy more or less being a brawler-gameplaystyle because I take Amy canonically being weak in that game to the extreme to where she needs combos to beat enemies that other characters just hit once or twice)
    11:39 And then the story begins with Sonic only losing the emeralds because of Eggman using a bug that was patched out of &Knuckles.(Unless that has been changed) Oops?

  • @TakenUsernameAuradium
    @TakenUsernameAuradium Год назад

    14:04
    I havent heard the remixes, but if it actually uses the Genesis soundfont, instead of an emulation, its a downgrade

  • @baddworld
    @baddworld Год назад

    I really hope we do get another Sonic 06 one day, Maybe 2026 lmaoo

  • @coolvinny9
    @coolvinny9 5 месяцев назад

    Sonic fan games are the father of sonic games bro

  • @GlytchGames
    @GlytchGames Год назад

    I have an extension to show dislikes, and you my good sir, have zero
    Cause this is a fantastic video 👌 thank you

  • @sonicnetwork2944
    @sonicnetwork2944 Год назад

    Uh ain't this the same video you made weeks ago?

    • @SFproductions1
      @SFproductions1  Год назад

      No that was sonic fan games this is fan remakes

    • @sonicnetwork2944
      @sonicnetwork2944 Год назад

      @@SFproductions1 I'm talking about this video I've seen some weeks ago but it got recommended to me even though I've already seen it is it a remake of that video? Or something because I'm confused I've seen this video at least a week ago if not 2 but it's recommended as if it's a new video?

    • @sonicnetwork2944
      @sonicnetwork2944 Год назад

      Hmm it could be RUclips's fault did they take down this video that was semi old and you had to reupload it?

    • @SFproductions1
      @SFproductions1  Год назад

      @@sonicnetwork2944 no this is a new video lmao

    • @sonicnetwork2944
      @sonicnetwork2944 Год назад

      @@SFproductions1 I've seen it before Thanksgiving was here I saw this video right here on my tv and on my phone the week after

  • @Purplemans88
    @Purplemans88 3 месяца назад

    Sonic triple trouble has a level that takes place on a train so I automatically like it (I’m autistic)

  • @Snorlax0912
    @Snorlax0912 Год назад

    If I hear one more comment from riley about kingdom valley

  • @MrNeedleM0use
    @MrNeedleM0use Год назад

    PLEASE SEGA PORT P06 THAT WOULD BE PEAK!

  • @Magloyr
    @Magloyr Год назад

    Tails fps wasn’t an addition it was in the original game dude

  • @max1_max1_
    @max1_max1_ Год назад

    Bro left out Sonic 3D in 2D

  • @NitroDaHedgehog
    @NitroDaHedgehog Год назад

    Bro forgot S3AIR

  • @thesonicchannelrerun2057
    @thesonicchannelrerun2057 Месяц назад

    Sonic 2 hd might be cancelled 😢

  • @shdchgfcbjhxcbvdthn2518
    @shdchgfcbjhxcbvdthn2518 6 месяцев назад

    Sonic 2006 is a pre-alpha

  • @tr_.1.9
    @tr_.1.9 Год назад

    sonic HD 2 its good but sad think it is a canceld remak so... yeah this is sad. (edit) wait its its not canceld remak!!! OMG!!.

  • @Cuphead3956
    @Cuphead3956 Год назад

    I have sonic plushy

  • @ActuallyFreakyBob
    @ActuallyFreakyBob Год назад

    You kind sound like billehbawb

  • @a-dallas-184
    @a-dallas-184 6 месяцев назад

    1:48 Sonic and TAIL 🤣

  • @carolineneh2791
    @carolineneh2791 Год назад

    Hello

  • @Jakegameings
    @Jakegameings Год назад

    Hi

  • @AtomicRay
    @AtomicRay Год назад

    sonic 2 hd is cancelled.

  • @Girbekafecon
    @Girbekafecon Год назад

    S2hd is dead

    • @AltKaxREAL
      @AltKaxREAL Год назад

      not unless the devs publically state so, or else wouldn't be so confused if it was or wasn't continuing development