Minecraft Chat Reporting - 1 YEAR Later…
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- Опубликовано: 27 май 2024
- About a year ago now, one of the most controversial features in minecraft history was added to the game, chat reporting and global banning. Now that the dust has settled, was chat reporting a good addition to the game?
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0:00 - Intro
0:36 - Why There Was Backlash
2:39 - Bedrock
4:05 - Chat Reporting Today
6:01 - False Bans?
7:49 - Exploits
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still pretty useless
Hello before someone say "third reply"
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Here before more idiots say here before.
The fact that chat reporting only works in scenarios where players don't have to use it is both the funniest and saddest shit I've ever seen 💀
Fr tho. I mean, if Hypixel can bypass chat reporting, why shouldn't you be able to disable chat reporting on your own private LAN world?
Gets banned for making a dirty joke to your wife on lan, while 2b2t users get to build swaticas and spam the n word to 250 people who are all mostly 12.
@@Mitch-xo1rdand dont forget:using spam mods literally 24/7 just to spam controversial shit on servers
@@Mitch-xo1rd I mean 2b2t is on a version prior to the chat reporting, so not exactly a fair comparison.
You sweared on a RUclips video now your banned from Minecraft 😂
The fact that they banned someone on their own LAN world is literally 1984
Google en passant
LMAOOOO
@@Minty7602 New response just dropped
@@Minty7602 lmao
That is the first accurate use of that phrase I've seen in quite a while.
I am infertile from eating scented candles
samee
Good to know
Bro will remember that
@@TheMisterEpici agree
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A common strat when companies add a banning system is to make the rules as vague as possible to avoid any legal trouble or being forced to fire any workers (even if they are in the wrong)
That is why all terms of service/eulas include a "why can ban you whenever and for whatever reason" clause. Even if they give you a shit reason they still have the right to do whatever and whenever on their platform.
Saying night in Japan was once bannable, just saying
@Mitch-xo1rd nope they have not. And this push from all companies against users is that awful that we should make independent platforms with 0 censorship or rules, but also platforms where no policeman or other scum fu***** will be able to join. We need to get rid of persecutors from society.
There aren’t any workers being used in chat reporting. It’s just a basic chat filter that probably took 2 days to code
That and they have full reign of your speech in your own privacy of the game. It's vague so they can really just ban things they don't like. I'm 37,I don't need a game company telling me how I should present my language and think.
I’ve never used the feature itself but it’s absolutely hell on certain servers, like a server I play on, people constantly get kicked for chat signing issues. I reckon it was a pretty bad addition to minecraft and I’ve seen basically no one use it either way
People who want to abuse jt will use it unfortunately
Hey jigsaw 😉😉
@@devisals More like microsoft wants to abuse players.
I should be able to moderate my own server without microshit spying on my chat.
Signing issues probably aren't related to the reporting system. There is probably an issue on either their clients that it sends messages to the server with data missing or it's caused by the server not working poorly.
Message signatures are usually used to differentiate the source of messages on the server side, something that is pretty useful if there are multiple people sending chat messages.
Get the owners to install no chat reports
Honestly pathetic that most of the time chat reporting doesn't even work, it almost backfired on Mojang causing so much controversy only for it to not even work
Well it did work but only on innocent players
+ it is probably the reason why caves and cliffs has been split apart and ruined.
@@brondlini5459caves of cliffs wasn't ruined it just took a long time.
@@brondlini5459 I'd say it's the reason why 1.19 was so void of features, but not why Caves and Cliffs was split. Caves and Cliffs was split because Mojang massively overpromised and, let's be honest, they're pretty shit at developing features, especially in any reasonable amount of time.
@@master-oh6zn It was ruined in my eyes because they hyped up the update and then split it and by the time warden and the deep dark were added I didn't care anymore, and in the same update they added the chat reporting feature that nobody asked for or even needed. But content wise it wasn't anything special (it's all been done with mods with much higher quality), it was just overhyped.
That is why I think it was ruined, not because they changed sth about the content, but because it was overhyped and they topped it off with false bans.
So that's why many people haven't been banned from chat reporting. It's because large public servers have plugins that either intentionally or unintentionally prevent chat reporting from working.
And as such, the only servers that have been affected by chat reporting are smaller private servers...
The very servers people feared that chat reporting would hurt the most.
So chat reporting has had negative effects on the game.... it just managed to fly under the radar while doing so.....
it is literally the perfect example of regulation
"we want to solve this large problem"
"okay, how?"
"we want to give ourselves shit tons of power"
"uh hold on I have som-"
"we're implementing it"
"but wait that's just going to cause more problems!"
"you just want to troll people"
"what? I just don't want to have my basic right to autonomy violat-"
"TROLL! BAN HIM PLEASE!
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hmm, would you look at that, it didn't solve anything and only caused more problems, if only we had some warning. Anyway at least now we have more power, oooh look a new issue to take advanta- I mean solve"
We should be lucky that this doesn't work on public servers, else this would become a death zone for content creators. They have enough haters that would mass report them so that Mojang would ban them just from the sheer number of false reports
day 1 of it being released many major server owners commissioned plugins to block reports or the signature etc to make sure this didnt work, literally nobody wanted this to be in minecraft
@@Bruh234 I wonder can this work with bedrock dedicated servers I hear it is still in alpha
@@joshallen128 I doubt it, bedrock servers are hosted differently to java, it might work but will be very different to java version
@@Bruh234that is a w
Don’t worry they took aim at those servers anywho
Getting banned from your own private server is like getting arrested for trespassing on your own property
welcome to the future of society... starts off on a silly block game, then it breaches the digital realm into society. i mean, its basically already happened to a degree, an amazon employee was delivering a package to a guys house, and his ring doorbell said an automatic greeting, which the employee mistook as a racist comment, reported the house owner to amazon, and basically locked the guy out of using his own things that he paid for. if youre interested on the full story, you can find many videos on it by just searching "guy locked out of smart house"
Surprisingly, a feature nobody asked for or wanted has been unused & patched out of most servers.
Who would've saw this coming.
& the whole false-ban thing was also expected.
I'm pretty thankful that it is basically as useless as a rock, further proves mojang is way too up on their cheeks on thinking they know what's best for us. Keep on strong minecraft fanbase and keep on pushing away this censorship nonsense.
If you think stopping hate speech is a bad thing, then yes, someone does need to do your thinking for you.
@@functionatthejunctionservers moderate themselves you microsoft meat rider. look at your profile picture before thinking you have any power over your actions and choices
@@functionatthejunctionthey can ban players for something as simple as swearing. 😂
@@functionatthejunction Protecting privacy is way more important than "stopping hate speech" (banning someone for saying fuck in a block game)
You are the one that mentioned hate speech first tho. Got some malicious intentions or perhaps waiting for an opportunity to jump on someone with fists?@@functionatthejunction
I believe chat moderation should ONLY work on Realm servers, because that is their servers, and that's their fair game. But privately owned vanilla servers? That's not okay.
I understand this, but being catered to families and friend groups, and being invite-only, Realms honestly should not be moderated, either. We've seen how it works in practice and it's not good. Realms are literally pay to lose lol
True, but also I payed money to have those servers, therefore I believe it should also be my rules my ground in that situation
Why? If you’re paying every month for a realm just to play with a few friends, why can’t you just say whatever you want? Why does Microsoft have to stare you down in the privacy of your own friend’s conversations?
@@bleu4472 because it is their server bounded by their terms of conditions. Just because you pay for a SERVICE, doesn't mean you get to do whatever you want with it. That's why privately owned servers are better.
Either way, a ban from realms should not prevent you from joining every server
I think it's telling that it didn't take long for anti chat reporting plugins to come out.
Servers are handling their moderation just fine, so why force the point?
The big issue was that it was basically forced into the game with little or no community feedback taken on board.
It's also telling that exploits were quickly found to mess with the reports and more are being found.
What's it going to take? A army of trolls getting players false banned and flooding the support staff with appeals?
It came out in, what, less than a week after 1.19.84?
It's gonna take severing Mojang from Microsoft. Mojang wasn't like this before the buy out and clearly has dropped hints here and there that they don't want crap like this either.
@@danese1636 Bedrock version number...I have literally no idea what that is. I assume it's probably equivalent to Java 1.19.1?
@@HeroRareheart Are you able to elaborate on them "dropping hints that they don't want that either"?
@@iDontProgramInCppyeah i'd like to see that too
Minecraft also just recently updated there EULA and I highly recommend giving it a look they are becoming very draconian even worse then what Nintendo was back in the day they are putting everyone on notice.
The thing about the EULA, is that they rarely enforce it, sometimes for better, and sometimes for worse.
That's actually illegal. Can't force push updates and require new EULA.
@@PhonyLyzardminecraft would be better off foss
The question I have about that is, is it Minecraft/Mojang that are the ones who are actively making these changes of their own will? Or are all of these changes/orders coming from Microsoft the company that now owns them? Personally I see it more from Microsoft as this is how they tend to operate and for Minecraft/Mojang to go full Draconian on their own product where they essentially ruin it for who knows how many players is both self-sabotage and just downright dumb.
What did Nintendo do?
chat reporting is like reporting on youtube, good in theory, but abused in practice
*reported for terrorism*
reported for terrorism
Yes exactly
Just reported this comment for pornography
@@itsmenotjames *reported for being fun at parties*
edit: i was replying to OP'S reply responding to the first reply that said double u tea eff
Even with our server disabling chat reporting.... We've seen an uptick in players moving to discord / voice chat to avoid even the chance of it...
Mojang have effectively made our job as server mods/admins HARDER, because we previously had logs we could check if a player was reported to us.
Now it's all happening out of game, we have no way to moderate or even be aware of that.
tha ingame moderacion was to keep mc servers in order, not external chats
You shouldn't have a way to moderate or be aware of private communication.
And it hasn't made moderation harder.
You have LESS people chatting on the server, so LESS work...
This is probably the best ending we could've gotten. Mojang was never gonna listen to us and back down, so instead we gave them a useless system lol. Also its been a WHOLE YEAR? Jeez doesn't feel that long
Probably due to the lack of content. 1.20 came out a year after 1.19 and barely had anything in it.
That warning message of chat integrity cannot be verified when joining any server gives me so much confident in continue playing on that server
This system is like the government breaking into your own home and arresting you because your neighbor said that you swore in your own home, even though you barely even said anything.
Such an overboard action against something that probably didn’t even happen.
That’s one of the few comparisons that actually works.
The one case where there is no reason at all to get banned, not even in a weird edge case, is while playing LAN, since it will do absolutely nothing considering the target is within walking (or less) distance from the attacker
actually, the automatic reports may just make it even worse. not sure how it works exactly, but just the idea doesn't paint a good picture...what if you post private information with a swear word in the message? does it just...automatically send it out as a report??
like, in a LAN or private whitelisted server, it could be expected that you might want to provide such info to other users sometimes. sure, it's probably rare, but still, if such things had even a TINY chance of being sent to mojang AUTOMATICALLY, with no way to cancel it, i'd argue that's a MASSIVE invasion of privacy. probably illegal
@@noxxyy When did I say something about automatic reports?
@@IDKisReal2401 you didn't, the video did. apparently even swearing in a LAN world may be automatically reported. hence the issue with those automatic reports also containing personal information.
As an Australian Viewer this is a good upload timing, but I feel bad for everyone else got this at a bad timing
Lmao
Fr tho
For me its 5:27AM
its 11:38am here on Philippines
Only 11:40 PM. Nice vid, btw @themisterepic
Here’s a better question which should be definitively not be monitored for a singleplayer world and Realm since the little switch allows you to block or allow profanities.
Question……
*Why* is it in for Singleplayer and Realms that allow profanity be toggled consequential to one player, you, by yourself or with others in a private friends only realm being monitored in the first place?
Privacy is a definite *violation* by said Mojang or Microsoft employee monitoring YOU or your FRIENDS. One or many of the employees monitoring chats in your single-played worlds or realms where no one is being targeted but you, yourself getting the consequence……
To whomever they are you, Mojang/Microsoft employee accessing our chat, should be held responsible for this.
Cause hey Microsoft has access to your logs…… chat logs along with possible OTHER things you, yourself also have access but can be used against you.
microsoft violating your privacy, wow is the sky blue?
in all seriousness, when you host a minecraft server, or like anything really, always assume the hosting provider has access to everything on there.
@@LiEnby
Key word, privacy that shouldn’t concern Microsoft or Mojang.
Singleplayer worlds are meant to be one player, no one to offend or be reported.
You don't have a right to privacy on minecraft. You signed it away when you agreed to the terms and conditions at checkout.
Singleplayer still runs a local server, just for yourself only. They probably just don't give enough of a crap to remove this sort of stuff from the local server
The chat reporting system will go crazy when the oldest anarchy server finally updates to 1.20 after being in 1.12 for over 5 years.
hopefully it crashes the reporting server
Bro, the chat reporting system will unintentionally be DDOSed with how many messages they have to process
Unfortunately, they'll likely just install a plugin that makes chat reporting impossible when they update to 1.20. Though I definitely would have loved to watch the chaos caused for Microsoft's reporting team.
Realistically, the server admin hausemaster will probably add an anti-chat reporting plugin like many other public servers so that shouldn't be much of an issue at all.
@@clothieredward5248 Part of me hopes he finds a way to mask user signatures (creating blatantly fake IDs), allowing the reporting system to be flooded with literal nonsensical BS.
Petty? Yes. Deserving? Yes!
It should work how I think rust's report system works. When you report someone you report them to the server's admin/moderators since most servers are community run
Should be a way to report the admins as well, at least enough to get someone higher up to keep an eye on them.
Give one person too much power and they could easily become abusive.
So rust admins can have all the power and abuse to their hearts content?? This system sucks man
@@Austinfdp I guess you can leave that server or something? I mean, an admin abusing their power already says that they're an ahole. I still kinda like what the guy is saying though in the end its still kinda redundant because a lot of servers already have those kinda tools in place.
I really hope it says this way, chat reporting only limits the freedom of the user, it doesnt protect anyone. Its only purpose is to censor those they dont like.
Exactly
hey quick question what do you mean “those they dont like”
@@supercool1312 People who disagree with their opinions and ideologies
@@supercool1312 Are you aware of the state of global politics as it relates to social issues?
@@supercool1312 Anyone with opposing views or differing humor. Its pretty obvious.
The hole banning your account without saying why is illegal in the EU. So Mojang, a Studio based in Sweden (EU), is braking it's own rules in the country...
6:53 If he is in the EU, it's not Questionable, this is exactly what you should send to Support. Most know it's illegale and fear the GDPR and consumer protection laws they broke. So if you say you will take legale action, most of the time your getting unbanned and your account reinstated
To translate the April L. (6:54) message out of corporate speak:
Corporate: "Greetings, thank you for the feedback"
Reality: "Hello... so you're threatening legal action..."
Corporate: "We did another review of the case"
Reality: "We haven't done any extra review or research"
Corporate: ", and upon further consideration"
Reality: ", but now that you threaten legal action"
Corporate: "we have decided to reinstate your account."
Reality: "we'll give your account back so please don't hurt us"
Thanks for making this video. I haven't upgraded from 1.19 because of chat reporting. There were videos being made every day last year and now it's like it's fallen off the face of the earth. I was wondering if anything had been done and I couldn't find any info so I appreciate the time you put into this. It is still very much a concern of mine even if no one else is talking about it.
Perhaps you can take a look at Vintage Story, which is another proper indie block game that does not suffer from these overreaching shenanigans.
Superficially it appears as yet another MC clone, being a continuation of a mod it sort of is, but it stands above the rest in quality and values of the devs.
Otherwise you can look at modifications which break the reporting in MC, or indeed stick to 1.19 or below.
@@WyvernDotRedor minetest mineclone although it is not 100% complete yet and default texture pack kill me eyes
It’s been a year? Wow, time does flies by
ikr. feels like the reporting thing came out on Java (kind of?) 6 months ago or something
as a comic saying goes, time flies like a cannon ball
It's also a problem for minecraft servers made for supporting freedom of information in restricted countries, because while many news outlets are blocked, minecraft tends to get by such filters, or it used to, I have no clue how that has been effected.
In my single player worlds I tend to screenshare to friends on discord and type in ingame chat to talk to them, so I worry that with it being a once sided conversation, that it could be misconstrued. It's also just a major breach of privacy, as it gives the game makers access to what everyone is saying.
Honestly i felt like it was WAY longer ago
You're absolutely right about LAN worlds and Realms. I wish Mojang wasn't such a joke nowadays. Doing things like shutting down fan events that partnered with them at the very last minute, when attendees were no longer able to get refunds on flights or hotels, is just morally wrong. And it demonstrates that even when you try to play by their rules, they'll backstab you. The community deserves a better dev studio.
Chat reporting is a major failure. No one uses it and many servers don't have it functional. Yeah, great feature. Exactly what everyone asked for.
Somewhat related, but bedrock's swear filter is client side. If removed, swear words become visible again. I've removed it in the past by emptying the bad world list, but it seems like Microsoft upped the security on the WindowsApps folder or something. I can't modify the bad word list now. It's the file named "profanity_filter.wlist" for those interested.
Oh and when it works its never for a good reason...
Well now we got the EULA thing going on with misinformation and no clear communication with the devs,
I wonder how will it turn out after another year
The changes ate real bad. Like it will end minecraft lets plays and mods
Mojang: Let' sintroduce a feature that can make someone unable to ply a game *they paid money for* that can be heavily exploited and modified in the worlds most modded/mod friendly game.
Very smart, Microsoft, stop being so overbearing on the developers.
in a game that gets fully decompiled within hours of a new update being released xD
Its concerning.
I dont want moderators seeing what we are discsussing in a private realm.
privacy is being completely ignored.
Could this lead to a possible lawsuit?
@@holymeto9981 hope so.
To be fair, large public servers have their own moderation usually.
If kids are going to be vulnerable, it would be in those LAN and private realms where they get lured to and then abused/hurt in other ways. It would start as suss chat messages, then escalate from there.
Because it’s not a big public server with dedicated moderation, shite like that can fly under the radar of people trying to keep kids safe online.
This is just a scenario I came up with in my head, but it wouldn’t surprise me if Mojang and Microsoft had a similar scenario in mind for why they made chat reporting so powerful. They are deliberately attacking one area predators can lure kids into their sick and twisted desires online in a private manner, a way that doesn’t have big public visibility because it’s a PRIVATE realm, a LAN world, etc. You don’t want interference or outside moderation and you want to move quickly? Make a private realm. Invite victims to your LAN world, and ounce on those who bite.
No longer. Kids can report creeps that try this shit with whatever BS excuse they have, and bolt them off Minecraft, first for a few days, and as bans stack up I can’t imagine repeat offenders will be treated well.
So, I can’t help but feel that Mojang will see the current state of chat reporting as “Working as Intended”. A powerful tool meant to strike at shite that skulks in the shadows, forcing those predators to use some other means of finding prey. It doesn’t solve the problem of the predators existing, but it deflects them away from the private areas of Minecraft.
And, of course, the less the public knows about the reasons for folks getting banned, the less info predators have for getting around chat reporting.
The technical issues and chat manipulation via mods is a problem though, and while Mojang hasn’t said anything about such things I cannot believe they are not working on it internally. Just because they do not publicly acknowledge it doesn’t mean they are not aware or not working on the issue as we speak.
That’s just some incomplete thoughts of mine, make of them what you will.
Doesn't make much sense since you can disable the automatic reporting, on realms and Lan world requires you to be on the same internet or go through a lengthy process on all sides to join, so it doesn't make sense for a predator to go through the trouble when discord or the like would be easier, if they went with a small private servers why would a predator allow someone to join who is going to report them, it's private they choose who can join, and if they go to the smallest amount of effort a plugin to disable it isn't difficult to install also how does not swearing or cheating/hacking on a private server help stop predator because the reporting isn't only for child abuse,
@@cosmicelectron I see what you're saying. Why would a predator go through that trouble?
Because it's MINECRAFT.
Chatting on Discord can be seen as weird. But playing in MINECRAFT? A lot more enticing for the predator's victims, because playing a game is more fun than just chatting with potential weirdos on Discord.
Dumb predators won't care for plugins, they'd just want to get in and "get to work", so to speak. The smarter ones will use the plugins or the other methods, and those would get away with it. Getting rid of any predator is way better than saying "Well there's a method they can use to circumvent it, better not use it at all" and then letting the dumb AND smart ones get away.
Just some thoughts to ponder.
@@boomkruncher325zzshred5 Uhm..your logic isn't exactly correct 😆if predators are running around luring in kids on minecraft the kids wouldn't report them if they're lured in..and if they did know what was going on enough to report it they could instead just y'know leave the realm?? They aren't exactly forced to play with some Stanger 60 year old online 💀Most who play on that stuff play with FRIENDS not random invites they get from predators lol. You're fighting a non-existent problem you made up in your head with a system that hurts more than it helps as it prevents friends from playing the way they want to with fellow friends and leads to things like false bans and people getting banned when they didn't do anything wrong but joke around with friends..Public servers are ironically more dangerous as you're meeting with and talking with a lot more strangers, and those are the ones chat report doesn't function on; from that public setting they can then lure them into private chat places like discord. Predators usually start in public instead of handing out free fliers to their house out of the blue for example (which is basically what handing out codes to randos to their relm is like, no one really joins relms unless they know the owner). Same thing for private servers..no one really joins random server invites given out by strangers lol, I only play on private servers my friends made or I myself created like recently I'm playing with a bunch of friends!
Also you are hardcore wrong about "minecraft is more enticing"..there are SO many predators on discord lol, and a lot of younger people love talking to others on discord actually! Chats are super popular actually along with rping, when I was a kid I used to talk for hours on chat-rooms and rp..I always knew to avoid giving out info on myself and thus could stay away from creepy people. And a majority of people I meet in discord servers happen to be people younger than 16 usually (some are even 12 or 11, which is against discords rules)
@@testerwulf3357 You're absolutely right, especially about Discord, didn't think that through.
It doesn't mean some corporate board member sitting on Microsoft/Mojang's board doesn't get cold sweats or night terrors about the possibility I brought up. Or that they don't fear a potential damaging lawsuit that hurts their company's bottom line and the reputation of their product. Hence: massive insulting of the intelligence and freedom of their playerbase so they can point to a half-broken feature that doesn't even work properly and say "See! They could have reported it but they didn't! Lalalala, no liability on us, we did our part get absolutely rekd legally" and so on and so forth, in full legalese of course 🤣. That's the worst-case scenario from my perspective, that all of this is just a way to legally cover the company's arse 🤣
Also, I admit I was under the impression that just because it's common sense to report certain behaviors doesn't mean all kids are going to have that common sense. Sometimes, kids are ABSURDLY dumb, so having an "escape" button in the form of a report is a nice band-aid on the situation that doesn't really solve the problem, but it's a placebo at the very worst so the abused kids feel better about reporting their abuser (despite it doing nothing outside of Minecraft so if the abuse continues in other channels they are just absolutely hosed unfortunately). Also, it is possible for very vigilant (possibly helicopter) parents to take control of any sketchy situation and make the report.
Some folks might also use Minecraft to lure to other platforms like Discord. Not being able to report stuff going on in Minecraft means there's no way to "shut off" that luring potential. It doesn't really shut it off, but at least it's SOMEthing, even if it doesn't actually work. And again, see the dodging of liability and the countering of potential lawsuits I brought up earlier 🤣
Chat reporting was the main reason I left modern Minecraft entirely. It was the final straw for me, and it just truly shows that Microsoft isn’t as hands off as we initially thought. It was a tough decision to make, but I just couldn’t bare to watch my childhood game turn into what it has become, so for my mental health I had to leave. I still play older versions because it reminds me of a time when Mojang wasn’t under Microsofts thumb.
The moment it was announced i immediately made the switch to 1.8.9 entirely and never looked back the only thing i really miss about the later versions past that is the nether being more lifelike but other than that i couldn't care less about what they have changed
This why i only play 1.19 and older vanila or modded servers with friends and tell whatever we want for jokes.
While I stopped playing before from loosing interest in the game, the chat reporting was the thing that made me leave behind Minecraft for good.
Instead of playing older versions, I've moved to Vintage Story, an obscure "clone" which achieves what early MC tried to do, adhering to it's own strong vision.
Unfortunately not many others play it, but in a way it's re-living MC's early development, being a proper indie game with good values backing it.
@DustyTheOrange Modded minecraft on older versions can add most of the features on tbe newer ones so you arent missing out on much
SAME. I stopped playing on servers and haven't touched the game in awhile. Getting rid of C418 and replacing him with that emotionless, empty new music sucked. I despised the overreach and Micro$oft control brought on by the account migration. The way Mojang has treated the community has deteriorated. Every new addition to the game just feels geared towards young kids. Chat reporting was the final straw. I'm thankful for the memories, it's been a real fun game, but I'm willing to let go even after a decade of playing. I play Vintage Story now and its honestly fantastic.
If I had a nickel for every time Minecraft have a massive drama about a feature that most servers will not have, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.
The only thing that chat report did for me personally was making me use a cracked launcher so not risk getting a banned when playing the game via LAN with friends, seriously don't remember the last time that open the official launcher due to me and my friends making highly inappropriate joke on chat for fun
I made a sex joke to one of my friends and used his username in the message, but because his account was set to being
The year later result is simply people are less satisfied with Mojang. I'm not instrinsically against chat reporting, I think a lot of people's criticism miss the mark. However, I do think how Mojang went around implementing it was terrible.
I don't think this was something Mojang wanted to add, most likely this was something forced onto them by Microsoft wanting more consumer information, which would explain why developers don't want to address this and the implementation was so shallow, because Mojang themselves didn't want this.
Exactly, its not the idea is bad, its that the implementation was lackluster. I get the reasoning behind the "My server my rules" idea, but at the end of the day how hard is it to not swear.
@@xx_luigi_xx7223 It's not that hard to swear but when you're in a private server that is entirely your own either one you are paying for or hosting from another computer you own along with several friends who then it really comes down to a who cares deal.
Sure in public it's annoying and spams the chat with everyone dropping a swear every 5 seconds but as for my own server? If my friends want to swear let them, it's not like it's hurting anyone or causing anyone to get offended in any way. For Microsoft to overreach and control what should be a private area doesn't really make it private by any means and they should be called out for that.
@@PhonyLyzard It's unlikely that Microsoft 'forced' Mojang. Instead, Mojang has grown over-time to 600 people, and Microsoft would have influenced what teams and structure is used.
The developers may be unhappy with the decision, but it is plausible that such decision was still made within Mojang. Should also consider that employees said that Microsoft did not force the decision.
Mojang has unfortunately changed. It's not an indie developer team anymore.
@@xx_luigi_xx7223Imagine if Discord had a similar moderation scheme and you couldn't swear anywhere on their platform. For some people, profanity is a regular part of their speech, and they should censor themselves on 2-10 person servers with people they know IRL because Mojang is watching every word they say? It's too far
Thanks for not forgetting and giving an update
This is why I use the "No Chat Reporting" mod on my private server, where I play with friends. So that I can still allow profanity. We are all humans and I am 100% sure that every single human has at least sworn once, doesn't even have to be out loud. This system is still ridiculous to me, we don't need it.
Same goes for the new villager change, where Mojang does things to villagers again that was a feature since Minecraft v1.3 and now they are changing a long time feature. I will sure get datapacks and mods on my server that prevent the change for future projects, because it is a very tedious thing to get enchantments still.
On my private server, none of the messages are signed and thus unreportable, but I'm not sure why. I do have a datapack installed that sets your name to a certain color, i wonder if something as simple as that fucked it all up.
yes pretty much, anything that edits the message in any way will break the signature
@@LiEnby Good to know, ty
ITS BEEN A YEAR?!?!
Thank you for an update video! Most RUclipsrs won’t do this so I appreciate it!
I miss 1.12.2, it was my favourite version, simple, safe, and secure
And mostly lag free.
It didn't go anywhere, plenty of great modded content and servers with hard working creators, such as I.
"Secure", truly a BleedingPipe exploit kind of day in 1.12.2 land.
@@skyibis bleedingpipe is not official, its a problem not with the version, but with Forge
your face when bleedingpipe
This feels like a major breach of privacy. I'm hoping EU is working on something. Getting banned from a private LAN-world. A server only accessible from my network. That not overstepping. That's like breaking into your house and punishing you for swearing at home
somebody should really make a report to GDPR or something
You completely forgot about one separate topic - Words with different meanings in different languages. I recall a reddit post where someone mentioned he can't say a couple common DICTIONARY words such as díky (thanks) or pavouk (spider) even on local/LAN servers.
I can't think of any context that chat reporting is a good thing. Let the players decide what they want to see, Microsoft has no reason to step in on this.
Mojang's hobbies:
-Update Minecraft
-Make funny memes
-Announce things
-Create controversy against themselves
Never used minecraft java for a while, never got banned / falsely banned but it was a chaos when it first got released
One of my "favorites" is a guy working with command blocks in bedrock, saves the block with the name "S". The game makes his character say "Saved as S" and the game interpeted that as him sneakily saying "ass" and temporarily chat bans him, on his private world
As of someone who got banned for a week from minecraft bedrock for doing nothing , chat reporting sucks
With the recent changes to their EULA I 100% think someone wants to watch Minecrafts player base wither to 0.
They want the game to die.
Hey. Did you see the secret updates to the EULA? Its baaad like killing Minecraft
The reason I haven't updated to 1.20 yet. Perhaps I will update at some point, use mods to reduce the risk. But chat reporting and simular policies has tainted my veiw of mojang (or at least their relationship with Microsoft).
Before 1.19 I didn't think much of delaying updateing my game. The 1.19 release itself overall was a decent update even if it didn't have all the expected features. 1.20 is a good update too, authough I am not sure about the creative inventory changes. I would have preferred to have a inventory editor.
Besides modding MC to break the reporting, perhaps have a look at Vintage Story.
Superficially it appears like yet another MC clone, it being a continuation of a mod it sort of is.
But it achieves what early MC tried, is made with a clear vision and does not suffer from this overreaching rubbish.
I left the game when they added chat reporting for about 7 months, the longest break that I've taken from this game in my 8 years of playing. I've stuck through and even tried defending Mojang through many bad decisions over the years, but whether this was a decision made my Mojang or Microsoft, it doesn't matter.
It turned a page for me as it did many others, and now I'm far more cynical to most additions. I only wish that the backlash could have been even larger, hopefully stopping future similar additions
Wait so you quit the game seven months ago, and your still watching vids on it?, do you just not like the game so much you keep watching videos that talk about the negative aspects of it?
@@PhonyLyzard he quit for seven months
@@PhonyLyzard No I'm back now, i stopped during the shenanigans, its been 12 months since it happened. obviously if i stayed away for 7 months, those months have ended.
@@wonghy1115 Oh alright.
and i have also quit when chat reporting was released and i dont have any plans to come back to minecraft. Geometry dash is 10x better anyways lol
I think that someone with a lot of money to spare should take some sort of legal action, players should be able to do whatever they want in their own world, mojang are reaching too far into the player's rights.
its so sad that the most beloved and influential game in history is having this devastating fall from one of the worst developer situations ive seen.
It's like microsoft doesn't want people to play their game, even though bedrock edition (microsoft's minecraft) is made on a more modern language, its known as bug-rock, ruins redstone, and monetized skins. Not to mention the update cycle being pushed way to quick (we did not need 1.17-20 to be released every year), and now the librarian changes pooping on the worst part of using minecraft to create things. and performance on multiplayer servers are abysmal, 99% of servers still use 1.8 for pvp and 1.12 for mods. dont even get me started on the librarian changes they're making, pooping on the worst part of the game and being supported by crybabies that don't like people having tools to create. Personally, this is the saddest fall from grace I've experienced.
@@drew8347I don't understand the point of making a sandbox game grindy asf.
I already got this issue covered, I am trying to have mincraft java ban me on my private server, and then sue minecraft for illigaly reading my messages withought my permission. I already have a lawyer ready for when that day comes.
Delete this comment. If this is truly your intention, Microsoft has the know-hows (and, more importantly, the connections) to track this comment to you, and they could probably find a way to turn the table against you on the basis of "intentionally abusing our systems or some other BS (not using this comment as evidence, ofc).
But, hey, I'm not a lawyer! idk wtf I'm even talking about! I'm just paranoid! You do you :P
Yooo that's genius
Bruh...you can't be serious. You must be a kid, you definitely don't have a lawyer prepared or they would have told you that you're an idiot. You signed away your "privacy rights" on minecraft with the terms and conditions.
@@magnetic_force5612 I know, just imagine the amount of money they will have to give out for this. It will be glorious
Don't say that on something like youtube! Never a good idea to tell other people your plans like that…
I haven't played music ch after the chat report was introduced, and the little I played was refusing to update my server and installing a plugin that "unsigns" the chat messages so they are invalid to report. My server also has "offline-mode=true" so I don't even know if it would send the reports.
I think you dropped this 👑
Your the real short king
I just remembered that, despite Mojang wanting to block gun-based imagery in their game, there's still references to first-person shooters in Minecraft. "MAP11 has two names!"? DOOM II. The two de_aztec paintings as well as the "Target Successfully Bombed" painting? Counter-Strike. The entirety of the 3D Shareware version? A blatantly obvious DOOM reference, right down to the obligatory "Nightmare!" difficulty and cheat codes like DOOM's IDKFA code (which, ignoring the id Software prefix, stands for "Killer F-ing Arsenal", according to my Doom Survivor's Guide book, Appendix B at page 275). The game also has references to another FPS, Half-Life, in a couple of splashes, namely "Episode 3!" and "Give us Gordon!". I could go on all day, even pointing out a TF2 reference in the splashes, but I won't. Just something interesting I thought of.
theres also gunpowder & a billion marketplace maps that add guns to the game.
@@LiEnby not to mention the fact that a crossbow is arguably just as violent as a musket if not more even though muskets would still make sense,i mean there is fucking dynamite in the game after all
@@LiEnby Its OK if you buy the guns from MS themselves, but don't you dare make your own server with guns in it..
Great Video the content your pour effort into is INCREDIBLE!
That's why cracked launchers are the future, Mojang no longer deserves the players' money
Yay such a good day when MisterEpic uploads
lets not forget that all businesses have a profit incentive to not appeal bans as it means that people have to rebuy the game just to keep playing which helps with quarterly earnings calls
there is a law against this where I live, if you cause someone to lose a core part of a service or item they paid for you will be fined by the government, there is no way around this, and if the reason for the removal of access isn't for a fair reason, the fines will. continue, if the access isn't returned the company will continue to pay indefinitely.
It's a good day.. Or night… when the mister EPIC uploads 👑 you make some great vids man!
Can't believe it has been 1 year since the Chat ban update
Love you're videos man. They are so interesting
When this video released, I literally got chills over the TITLE. ITS BEEN ALREADY (almost) A YEAR SINCE THE CHAT REPORTING?!
chat reporting was definitely a bad move by mojang. don't have much to say on that. anyways i tried to eat concrete once
Good to know
I have a small public survival server and I personally disabled the "feature" that requires you to have verified chat signing as, at times, Mojang would fail to authorize the signature and that would prevent us from chatting outright even though we were still able to log in and others could chat just fine.
I've been playing on public servers for 12+ years now and profanity / other hateful comments are WAY more prevalent post chat reporting than before. Back in the day, you'd see friends playfully calling each other names, or the occasional flame war when 2 players didn't get along. Typically this was all in good fun, and if you had a problem with someone, that's what ./ignore was for. Nowadays I have bots logging into our server and spamming all manors of obscenities until they're banned. I'm not sure if they're doing this just to boycott the chat reporting feature, or if they're doing it just because they can / think it's funny. The only thing I do know, is that this is certainly a direct result of the chat reporting system. As a comparison, I went from having maybe one of these spammers every few months (pre chat reporting) to 10+ in a single day (post chat reporting). Again, my hands are tied with this situation. Either I enable chat signing and be unable to chat at times, or leave it disabled and deal with the bots in the same way we've been doing for years.
I just want to be able to play the game I enjoy with my friends and other members of the MC community and not have to deal with all this BS brought about by corporate agenda.
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As an aside, this issue was made way worse with how they handled it. They just released a statement about how they were going to be more open and honest moving forward and consult with the community more (After all the hate they received from the caves & cliffs delays / dropped features) and then a month or two later they just casually slip this "feature" in the patch notes with 0 public mention of it anywhere. Of course people are going to be mad. Then they go radio silent as we all just wanted them to explain the super vague rules and their reasoning for adding the chat reporting in the first place. Hypocrisy at it's finest.
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I've had a year to digest this, and I understand what they were trying to accomplish. At the end of the day, they want to keep the kiddos safe. But unfortunately they really screwed up with this one.
They should have just added a parental controls system and a profanity filter like every other game out there and called it a day.
> I just want to be able to play the game I enjoy with my friends and other members of the MC community and not have to deal with all this BS brought about by corporate agenda.
Perhaps have a look at Vintage Story.
It's a block game that was a continuation of an MC mod, which does not have this corporate rubbish.
Unfortunately, most don't look past it being "yet another MC clone", it's survival is also way harsher.
But it's a great experience for those taking the time to learn it, resembling early MC in a way.
I remember when this was rolled out to bedrock edition and I thought nothing of it. 1 month later I was permanently banned after supposedly breaking chat rules. I don't remember doing anything and rarely even type in chat. I still miss my original account that I created back in 2014
Holy crap, that was a year ago that is wild man.
I Own a Minecraft server and it’s very bad basically people would get banned every day just because people reported them on my server I even got kicked from it because of it. Most of my moderators left, because they were afraid to be banned by players using the chat reporting system #SaveMinecraft
I don't mind chat reporting being a thing, but it shouldn't be a thing on private servers, realms or lan worlds.
It just shouldn't be a thing. Public servers are already moderated, with their own rules. Mojang shouldn't force their own rules on servers that don't want them. And Mojang shouldn't ban people from the entire game for swearing.
Its nice waking up and having a video to watch from my fav youtuber!
Accidentally got my friend permanently banned from a LAN world.
Didn’t actually think reporting would work in LAN
lmao this is so funny
it’s completely failed to stop anyone who was actually bullying or causing harm in chat and only caused people to get banned from their realms and added new exploits
great work Microsoft! (pretty sure this is microsofts fault)
This addition was useless, it's never worked, plus reporting is pretty much useless if *Only* chat is reportable, a guy could easier grief you, kill you non-stop and do tons of damage without a single word, well, in that case, tough luck, deal with it, this is just wrong.
And theoretically, if you retaliate via chat, they could get you banned instead
Wait it was 1 year ago? Time flies...
Its ONE YEAR AGO ALREADY. Time flies man
Time flies. It's been a whole year with chat reporting in Minecraft. People had such different feelings about it, some loved it, some didn't. Well, Mojang made their call, and here we are!
I'm not sure I'd say anyone loved it, but yeah time does fly
I wouldn't say some loved it but rather some people felt indifferent about it.
I must agree though time does indeed fly.
@@clothieredward5248 I was indifferent because I knew it would become impotent due to how well the community knows the game
@@ILikeWafflz Indeed. Large public servers like Hypixel have the luxury of being able to use plugins which effectively make chat reporting useless. Which considering how poorly chat reporting has been managed on private servers and LAN worlds, it's probably for the better.
Hard to believe this has already been a year also it still baffles me how mojang honestly thought this was a good idea.
It's been one year since the chat report feature what the hell I swear it was like last week...
That was a _year ago??_ Damn, where has the time gone…
you should really talk about the recent eula changes, it's full 1984 levels of forcible control
Remember, nothing happened
What mods/plugins are necessary for preventing chat reporting on private servers?
For anyone who isn't aware, for a long time already launching singleplayer actually runs a server and clicking the LAN button just opens it up for people on your own network. So essentially singleplayer is just a closed vanilla server.
not even gonna talk about how ridiculous is it to bad someone for an entire week for just swearing, the fact that they can ban you, in game that you bought, in your own private server for doing what you want there is just insane
the fact adults can get banned for swearing with their friend group of fellow adults from a game they bought is insane..this is like my childhood all over again where I got punished for swearing! The fact microsoft is making me feel like a kid being punished by mommy sucks.
You should not be banned in a game where it costs to create an account.
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You should depending on what you did
@@thebushbros6626 yes of course, but being banned for stuff that’s done in private is wrong. And on public servers there are mods that ban peeps that misbehave. No need for mojang to intervene, or rather expend resources that could be invested into actual content for something useless that nobody wants, likes or needs
You shouldn't be able to be banned from online in a game with only player hosted servers, there are plenty of reasons to ban people from pay to play games, including cheating. but if players run the servers, it is their responsibility to moderate themselves
@@vinceheins yeah I know, I just thought you were one of those dudes who was acting like no moderation should exist (like nothing, server side and mojang side) and people should say what they want.
How has it already been a year
honestly, this is partly why I stopped playing Minecraft. I don't want to be hanging out with friends, or be on my own world, say a swear word in chat or on a sign, and risk getting banned just because it MIGHT offend someone. It's so draconian and absurd, it's no wonder Mojang aren't actively acknowledging it, because THEY KNOW it's draconian and absurd
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