Who is the Surf Coaster For???
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Honestly, as long as it’s comfortable it’ll do fine, it’s a very GP sounding concept. Also, definitely could see KI getting it and playing on the nostalgia for King Cobra
Or World's of Fun, don't forget that they also have a history with stand ups, even if it was just a retrofit for a short stint.
@@AceAviations2 good call, but with ZZ, WoF’s roughly 10 year clock for a new coaster starts lol
@@Asmz95 The World Cup might just get them another one in 2026 if ZZ is well received.
yup. it is
Surfer dudes, obviously
I believe the Surf is a prototype specifically for SeaWorld and I don't see it going anywhere else
However, there is a patent for a "sit down" version of this with two across seating, a launch, the articulated seats, basically a B&M Blitz
That is the one that I can see really taking off
Also, B&M has said at IAAPA they're not interested in swapping out these trains with the 1.0 stand up trains
So to answer your question...This coaster is for SeaWorld Orlando lol
Specifically, a market where novelty and uniqueness, as well as something for families is really what sticks out, the Orlando market.
This coaster checks a lot of boxes and I think it will be a winner as SW continues to flesh out their line-up
I completely agree, and a B&M blitz would be awesome.
"Who is it for?"
The GP. We all know. It is playing to B&M's strength of thrilling but not too intense. It's a unique ride too, and do to this model being more lower to the ground, and with shorter layouts, I don't see it being too expensive for B&M. Probably just slightly more expensive than their mini dives.
I see it doing as well as their flyer if you exclude the Superman clones. So slightly more than half a dozen (for the stand up variation).
I see atleast 1 other Sea park getting one (possibly 2). Likely a CF park. Then I can see China getting 2-4, and Europe 2-3.
Which will put over 100 million in revenue into B&M.
This is also not including the sit down version I could see being far, far more successful.
I’m glad B&M is getting a little weird this year with the Surf, shuttle wing, and small wing models. Personally like stand ups so I’m excited for Pipeline.
Airtime on a standup coaster is awesome
I have a big nostalgia for Cobra at La Ronde. Yeah it was a bit rough and basically outclassed when the Batman clone opened next door but it was a very neat layout and an underrated piece of early B&M history.
Based on that I'd say standup trains could be a viable way to inject some spice into an undersized looper
cobra was an intamin stand up
@@TheCycloneHunter it's way more complicated than that. It's listed as "built" by Intamin, but that would make it the 6th or 7th coaster that the company made overall, and it was "subcontracted" to Giovanolla, which is where the two guys Bolliger and Mabillard worked up until ... 1988, which is the year that this coaster was originally made. And the track is the Giovanolla design that B&M famously recuperated along with the 4-seat one-row car trains.
You can't say it was "made" by either Intamin, Giovanolla, or B&M. It was that exact point in history where 2 of those companies were being reformed and reorganized into 2 other ones.
I could maybe see one of the Merlin parks going for this - Gardaland jumped into my mind right away.
If you've ever gotten airtime on a standup you'd understand, but I don't think you'll find it on the existing B&Ms. I just can't figure out if you'll get it on this either. The people in the animation are going up on their toes, but what if they lift their toes? And if they come off the floor, is it because of the seat or actual airtime? But the standing launch should be SWEET.
The idea of standups, I think, was to get intensity with a smallish size ride, which this actually may. That's totally relevant to Six Flags and many others. This isn't the only new B&M showing they can work without the big(gest) bucks.
B&M only ever wanted to build standups, and this is their next attempt to make them popular.
B&M already has rides in pretty braud categories, inverts, floorless, hyper.. its refreshing to see new stuff like kiddy inverts/wings and surf themed stand up coasters
I miss Skyrider from Canadas Wonderland so much that I’m planning on travelling to Italy to get one more ride on that Togo stand up so these coasters do have their fans and this new seat mechanism looks amazing!
Down at IAAPA this past fall I heard from a credible source that in order to help fine-tune the prototype ride experience for Pipeline, park officials requested that the surf coaster trains be tested on Mako at Sea World Orlando. These all happened during the overnight hours long after park close. A friend close to my credible source said that he actually was able to experience Mako with these trains, and said that the feeling of leaving the floor while maneuvering an airtime moment is straight-up freaky, and should definitely not be discounted. It sounds like B&M are somehow taking ‘airtime’ up a notch with this technology, which explains why they also filed a patent for a sit-down concept. Like just imagine for a second if you rode an airtime machine like Mako with these trains. So I am excited to try these trains out. We really don’t know what to expect. In my opinion this is B&M’s answer to the spinning / backwards facing cars that Mack has been producing for some of its existing coasters.
I don't believe the story, but I'm still intrigued by the concept. Boosted airtime sounds crazy.
There's no way those trains would fit on makos track
@@andersmith29 as far as I know, the track gauge is the same. Combine that with the fact that Mako has no real ride envelope close-calls throughout its layout, and boom you have a real practical test subject for this sort of concept.
We also haven't experienced a 60mph launch standing up, could be a unique experience.
i completely agree that i dont think it will take off, but who knows. i guess we really have to wait and see until it opens, and then can judge how much better (if it is better) than the old stand ups it is
Also, even if they could put these new trains on old stand-ups, you're basically cutting your capacity in half. 2 across trains vs the original 4 across. Even if you could load faster, you'd have to load twice as fast basically, which just doesn't sound feasible to me.
If B&N could make the surf trains as sit down trains, more parks may want the surf coaster.
If there was a classic standup dive somewhere near me, I would marathon that every single time would go to it, but sadly that does not exist
I think with this model, SeaWorld’s definitely banking on the novelty, and hopefully the ride experience is really good. But yeah, I don’t know who else is gonna buy one.
The first new standup coaster since Georgia Scorcher in 1999. Sure, Six Flags Great Adventure and Cavallino Matto got their standups in 2011 and 2015 perspectively, in the form of Green Lantern and Freestyle perspectively, but they were relocated from Kentucky Kingdom and Canada’s Wonderland perspectively, where they were Chang and Skyrider perspectively. Chang even opened the same year the character on my profile pic was created, Anastasia! The Surf Coaster marks the very first time we’ve seen a new standup coaster in years!
This might just be the beginning tho...and this park chose the stand up model. B&M filed patents for trains with this same piston technology for sitdown trains and inverts. Hoping with some of the new unique models we are seeing out of them overseas...they will start to come out with some new models using those trains mentioned above as well. Trying to picture B&M's take on a blitz-like coaster....but with sit-down trains that "bounce" with the forces.....could be cool🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
I could also see one going to the Busch Gardens parks, which is funny because it would make it like a Sea World exclusive, and I don't have a problem with that. The biggest point made in the video is just the thought of a MACK multi-launch at Kings Island... perfection.
The surf coaster model would be perfect for the first semi-thrilling Disney coaster, maybe themed to surfing with Lilo and Stitch? It isn’t too intense or thrilling, and they could theme the trains spectacularly.
Ok but when will sea world San Antonio get thrilling rides? There best one is just a Batman Clone…
I feel Kings Island could get one if they wanted to remake King Cobra, the first stand up in America, but other than the Sea World parks I don’t see one, at least in North America
I had the same thought when this got announced. Cedar fair really likes bringing back classic kings island branding and mike Koontz has said that the park wants to build rides that are more reridable for the GP.
i love that B&M's track is iconic because its extra thicc.
Someone else recommended Kings Island get one as homage to the now defunct King Cobra-their old standup coaster that I think got removed in the mid nineties
I don't think you can really say that the Surfcoaster is a low intensity ride when there is only one model yet. Sea World didn't get an extreme ride, but I don't see why B&M couldn't make one. Just like how the are making a family wingcoaster in Chessington World of Adventure. They could probably make it as intense as any other loopingcoaster and viewed like that many parks could get one.
Family wing at lego land too
I think the surf coaster is going to be a massive hit at SeaWorld. And I think we will see more of these pop up at other parks. Including parks outside of the SeaWorld chain. And if these new trains are able to be retrofitted on to older stand-up coasters that could be a game changer. Riddler’s Revenge and Green Lantern have really awesome layouts. Their only problem is the trains.
It’s for me tbh, never got to ride a stand up coaster only one I’ve seen was Iron Wolf at SFGA when I was a kid, but that was removed, so this new concept really interest me
love the extra cartoon scences, brings nostagia
For anyone watching today. Just rode it TM Previews. Happy to report you are very wrong! This is possibly the best ride at Seaworld now. AMAZINGGGGG
Mako is still the best but this is a close second
I am surprised that Sea World decided to make this ride considering they don't need another family-Intense coaster, but what they really need is a true family coaster which Ice Breaker was not
Watch them get a Oscar’s Wacky Taxi clone next and that will also be too intense lol
@@SunshineStateCoasters facts
Canada’s Wonderland should get a surf coaster and call it the New SkyRider
You can call it a filler ride all you want but from a park standpoint this is a good decision. The ride is high capacity, has a gimmick and is graceful enough for younger guests to enjoy and honestly that is kinda the case for a lot of b&ms
I think maybe China could get one plus these SeaWorld parks. I think they’ll probably break even on the model, but it works in Orlando
I have ridden this ride a few times now. It’s a great ride great addition to the line up at SeaWorld. It’s fun great air time and a standing launch is awesome feeling
It’s a modification to something theve been selling for decades. They probably already have multiple units under contract so basically they’re going to gross 40-60M off a recycled stand up in a time when nobody was buying stand ups. Sounds like a win.
In terms of parks replacing their old standup trains w the new ones, many parks changed out slc and boomerang trains w newer vekoma ones so they could do it w stand ups as well
B&M is going more family thrill thier upcoming coasters. I don't know every b&m that has been anounced but the ones I know (mandrill mayhem, maxius and pipeline) are family thrill coasters
I guess you could consider this something of a bespoke B&M, not really something they're trying to replicate all over.
Surfers don't want it LMAO Riddler destroyed my legs when i was young cause i let them hang but on my last trip i dared to try again and sat low before the seat locked. I then proceeded to marathon it even with Wonder Woman near by.
BUT i also marathoned WW a few times too. Trouble there is headaches while in the back -- the Gs are INTENSE! Middle row i can ride forever. And the front row experience ... makes You feel like You can steel Superman's girlfriend. SO godly GOOD!
i live in australia. we dont have, and probably never will have a b&m anything. we dont even have a vekoma boomerang or an slc anymore. we only have 2 coasters worth coming here for, dc rivals and the scenic railway at luna park.
The real question is will Georgia scorcher and riddlers revenge get new surf trains and maybe retracking?
Absolutely not for riddlers. That ride is still just as popular as it was when it opened. Cutting the capacity in half is a horrible idea
I'm hoping the track design and movements will be the truly new thing, not the trains.
I'm honestly shocked that any big company is building a new stand up coasters since there infamous for been uncomfortable they is only one left in the UK and its the only one in the whole of Europe
I rode it and it had the best air time I have been on
Exited for the stand up floorless coaster, it's gonna be awsome
I could see a surf coaster going to some European park like walibi Belgium/Holland in a couple of years when these parks are due for a new coaster
In North America, I think you might be right. The SeaWorld parks kinda feel like the only natural home for this ride model.
Especially as a "bare" coaster (minimal theming) the ceiling on this model feels pretty mid and the pricetag likely too high to justify it.
However it still fixes the biggest problems with the standup coaster in my option:
1. headbanging
2. positive-g focused layouts.
Hang-time and airtime while standing are both really fun and unnerving sensations (regardless of the altitude it occurs at) and launches make this model a lot more compatible with places like SWSD with their strict height limits. The vests also facilitate rapid lateral changes without the risk of headbanging. This model could deliver big thrills in a pretty moderate package with the right layout and/or theming (interaction).
Because of this I suspect the Surf Coaster model will do better in Europe than it will in NA.
I could see fairly small, but highly themed surf coasters at a park like Alton Towers or Phantasialand where it rides like parkour on rails through a themed village - and yes other models do that things really well too - but they already have those. And the standing element would add a different flavor to it.
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I could see BGW getting one. Since they are more of a family park than the other ones in the area they can use a third family friendly coaster (and that's counting Verbolten as one)
Walibi Holland! Rip out Xpress Platform 13 and put a Surf Coaster in the plot, make it go over the water and all that. Would be a perfect fit imo. Only problem is I don't see Compagnie Des Alpes have B&M money
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i mean yeah it would be cool if it solves the problems with a stand up, but the biggest problems in stand ups are the fact that they exist, bnm knew that they were just making another coaster just because they wanted something " new and exciting", and they decided to make it a stand up coaster, i'm not saying bnm doesn't make good coasters, but i know that they knew what they were gonna get into for making a stand up coaster, this isn't what people r looking for, i feel like people think that stand ups r like some crazy thing, but in reality it is another really mid ride, green lantern has been up since 2011 at six flags gtav, and there r never any lines, the most i ever waited was 5 minutes on a busy saturday, and there is a reason for that, for the first month or two people will be lining up trying to get on, but after that no one is going to care
Definitely the other SeaWorld parks are getting one too probably. And Kings Island doesn’t sound like a bad idea but preferably a Mack Multi Launch
Honestly Pipeline looks more like a Togo stand up layout than a traditional B&M one
“canadas wonderland has already so much mid” ouch, my home park lmfao
Couldn't this be family thrill considering the layout?
I kinda agree with you on that point but I think that you forgot something: the coaster market isn’t the US only. And although I don’t really see this type of ride getting built in the US as you explained it I think a lot of smaller park in Europe for example could benefit from it for one and only reason: we don’t know stand up coasters here. So this would be a real novelty here and I could see a lot of park wanting to add this type of ride. I don’t see any other explanation to why B&M would build one of these if it wasn’t to appeal to a new market not one that already know stand ups and don’t want anything to do with it anymore…
I also think this model lends itself to low height cap, mid-footprint layouts if they get creative with it. The vests also very much limit upward reach, so in highly themed environments the clearances could feel very tight while still keeping rides in an exposed riding position.
I'm kind of imagining Manta @ SWSD, but with these standup trains and maybe an inversion or two. And honestly, that seems like an absolute blast.
I don't care what anyone says. Riddlers is a great ride and even though i wouldn't marathon it that doesn't mean I'm not 100% riding it every visit.
I think this will end up like the Flyer.
It's for the gp. Let's be honest. Also.... there's really nothing wrong with a stand up coaster. The only people who have a problem with standing up on a coaster are people who skip leg day for their whole lives, and sit on their asses all day. The worst part about the old stand ups was the "taintsmasher 5000" that was between your legs. One ride would learn you to bend your knees ever so slightly when you get restraint checked, and you're good.
it’s clearly meant to be a gp magnet & as long as the ride is comfortable it will probably end up being a hit. enthusiasts will probably be the only ones complaining lol.
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I agree.
All that needs to be said.
world's first stand up launch coaster right? that alone is a huge magnet for GP
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I feel like this could be more of a hit in China and Europe.
I mean, Europe got what? One or two of the Intamin Stand Ups and a leftover Togo from Canadas Wonderland, that gimmick wasn´t really a thing over here.
Similarly all the bigger Parks and Chains in China that are working with B&M started being a thing after people already lost interest in the old Stand Ups, so they never got a chance to really try them.
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I'll be honest, coasters are getting boring with that excess of airtime and lack of inversions. I miss the time when we were getting coasters like Kumba, not tame coasters like Hypers (i know y'all gonna curse me, but it's true, all coasters are the same now).
Well, at the end it is all a matter of taste - I am more into airtime than inversions. However, I don't really see the development you describe. 20 years ago Hypercoasters (or let's say more general: coasters without inversions and more focus on airtime) became famous. But there was usually a hard distinction between hypers and loopers. And especially B&M keeps that distinction, by having coasters with OTSRs and many inversions, OR just lap bars without inversions. And I don't like OTSRs, which is a reason why I never was a real fan of coasters with inversions. And I find typical inversion coasters "boring", that are just one inversion after another.
But in the last year coasters are getting more interesting to me (and not all the same - having a typical looping coaster that is just Drop-loop-Cobra roll-zerog roll-loop-end is all the same), when you see how for example Intamin, Mack or RMC dissolve the border between hyper/airtime and inversions, by haveing coasters with only lap bars, air time but also inversions and other fun elements. Riding Blue Fire the first time (I know that enthusiast will say that it is too tame) brought back the fun of coasters with inversions for me. Because only lap bars, and inversions as a special elements.
And I don't see how hypers are generelly tamer than coasters with inversions.
Bros obsessed with the surf coaster
this model has always felt very tailored to seaworld
its prefect.... for seaworld...
I went on it, but im only ten so i definitely dont speak for everyone, every airtime hill (which is every hill) i couldnt touch the ground and i felt like i was gonna fall off. Also the restraint is very uncomfortable and there is an in-between the legs restraint that really hurts.
I respect the hell out of B&M but I have had no interest in riding this from day one. It might be ok, but honestly the problem with stand ups isn't that you can't bend your knees, its that you're standing up. I kind of hope this does flop so B&M changes direction into something actually exciting. Also calling it now, the restraints on this are going to be uncomfortable. From the renders it looks like there is essentially just a small seat the goes under your crotch and bounces up and down. It's going to be uncomfortable for someone.
Riddlers revenge is a banger for me. Over the top standup hate
It's a great ride. Still to this day
whats the song in the back
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i really think this is just a ride concept tailored to the gp instead of enthusiasts; while it might not be impressive or desireable from an enthusiast viewpoint, i don't know if the parks really think about that very much; enthusiasts are likely only a fraction of the parks' total attendance numbers, with most of the rest being gp. even so, i don't know who else might get one of these, but there could be some international parks that might see the value in this
It’s for me, I’m very excited for it
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Yeah we're all trying to see... will this be a success or flop?? Only time will tell. They just need to move into selling more launch coasters and creating new elements... so much potential there. Dont over complicating this! So many B&Ms at the top cedar fair parks now. There's just better launch options out there to bring in the guests.
i want to surf on a coaster
It’s for you!!
Let’s ride it first!!! Then we will rant or be happy with it!
Could the bouncing seats amplify the air time? That is literally the only reason I can think of for the design of this bizarre boring looking coaster
If the artic rescue addition wasn't useless enough in terms of coaster line up for sea world san diego another (blue)-family-launch-coaster would be absolutely stupid, especially in a park where the stand out attraction is a dive coaster?? They need a true stand out ride instead of another family launch.
I’m genuinely curious what the height limits are and how the system is designed to maximize it
54inch min height & 77inch max height
Big problem...I don't want to stand up on a roller coaster.
It's not overly bad. I've done it and there are little bike-like seats you straddle
I'm a minority that likes stand up coasters and I think the new surf coaster will actually be worse. Stand ups require you to be in a good spot to be comfortable. I don't want to be bouncing up and down on a bicycle seat. Also I can marathon riddler over wonder woman. The seats on wonder woman spread my legs too much causing cramping/pain in my hips.
B&M panicked . that's all. with RMC and Intamin stealing the market B&M realised they just aren't getting as many sales. B&M's whole model is being the thing you can always count on to be good. every B&M to thing point has the same style track, same 4 across trains unless its a dive (wing still have 4 across). but now intamin has found their groove and RMC is hyped. plus every park in America has at least 3 B&M coasters. their only way to stay current in the US is too abandon their model and do different stuff. they wouldn't do this if they were not worried about the up and coming companys around them. B&M had to try something different if its a success they can stay in US if it falls they are forced to go overseas and probably have a few cheaper models
Me. The answer is its for me 😊
For context I loooove standup coasters!
In the US, I just don't see anyone buying this besides SeaWorld. Hopefully Orlando is planning a major coaster for 2025 or 2026 because three basic filler coasters in a row isn't going to bring people to the park. Like Ice Breaker never has a line, at all. I was there on the fourth of July when every ride was 60+ minutes and every show was packed and Ice Breaker was a station wait all day. I don't think building all of these small coasters is going to up the attendance like they think it is. I would think that SeaWorld execs would understand that but it wouldn't surprise me if they don't.
They needed to round out the park in between the major thrills and the kids coaster... they know what they're doing. They don't have to room there for 8 huge coasters. Ice breaker does draw a line it's just later in the day.
@@Brandon-qd2lb I understand they need the more complete line up but I'm just saying that these small additions won't equate to increased attendance. They will definitely help with capacity if a big addition draws in more people.
This is gonna be fuckin huge in asia
Yup, surf coaster js going to be a flop in the long term and I like standups.. Well, riddlers anyway..its better than wonderwoman in my opinion, also think the bounce will just be combination of seats to low and seats to high situation..wait til someone thats scared locks their knees out and the seat compresses in positve G's and they blow a knee...you heard it here 1st
Trying to capture the young audience that isn’t aware how terrible the 90s stand ups where.
canada's wonderland may have it made but they have a very weak supporting lineup with some of the worst coasters out there
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