Rugby Pod React to Owen Farrell Stepping Back from England Rugby
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- Опубликовано: 4 дек 2023
- Jim and Goodey react to the massive news that England Captain, Owen Farrell will not play in the 2024 Six Nations. Farrell lent the decision to his mental health and a want to spend more time with his family. The lads discuss Farrell’s reasons, how it could help him and the current state of Rugby media.
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As a South African, I feel incredibly sorry for Owen Farrell. The success he's had is IMMENSE !!!!. He is one of England's very best of all time. I don't think the (critical) English fans and press know what an amazing player and person he is. Get well Owen. World Rugby (and England) needs you.
I’m sorry. I find Andy Goode very hypocritical. Apart from this particular episode of the Pod, every time and I mean EVERY time he mentions Owen, or George Ford or Steve Borthwick for that matter, out comes the faux, cliched ‘northern’ accent, painting them as dull, slow-witted northerners. Which as a northerner myself always winds me up. Just bants? Being too sensitive? Or feeding into the same negative narrative? What is and what is not abuse? And I also remember a few years back when he gave a scathing commentary about the Ford family in general (well George and his father Mike) that had absolutely nothing to do with rugby. Look inwards, Andy Goode.
I completely agree. Dave Attwood was interviewed on a different podcast and said he and Farrell don't get on. When asked why he said it's because he called Farrell a peasant. Apparently it's all "bantz".
You stole my thunder 😂. Goode is shocking for taking the mick and as you say he calls it bants and for what? Social media hits and followings that is why. But anyway it is helping to fuel the social media cesspit.
Hear hear!
100%. He just berates people. Then ignores facts that go against his arguments. Usually terrible analysis too.
Jim and Goodey are midlanders - even worse! And actually, the weight loss has done Goodey’s face no favours .. he looks odd. But I’m sure the ticker will be thank you.
He holds grudges evidently too. Mike Ford is a known lier and not well liked at most places, but that’s not to slight George. I know Mike lied directly to Andy’s face in a contract negotiation - he talks about it on an old pod. And Sam Burgess too, the Ford’s are a whole chapter. Mike is the real issue though.
I wonder if spreading rumours that faz was the reason Arundel didn't get picked contributed at all?
Me he wasn't picked because he doesn't work hard enough on the pitch . His kick chase was disappointing.
@@djdouganstotally agree, time after time he got there and then didn't want to compete. That's why Jonny May got picked and stayed the course.
When Mark McCall refers to media he refers to you guys too. Like other major media outlets, you'll point Farrell out as a great player every so often but the conversation is always about him being replaced by the shiny new thing or exaggerating a negative moment around his game e.g. tackling. Yes, Farrell has made some bad tackles (Dan Biggar has actually made more high tackles over his career than Farrell), but so has so many other players but the spotlight is always shone on him for negative attention which casual fans pick up on. If Farrell was any other nationality he'd be lauded by the nation he plays for but English Media has a tendancy to big players up and then find a reason to flip the narrative which leads to other media outlets jumping on top of it for attention. I'm not saying he's prone to criticism as he'd admit he's made errors but the amount of hate he gets is pushed by the media and jumped on by social media. Before anyone says it's his "attitude" or "how he talks to referres", he's no worse than a lot of other players.
And Goodey saying "he's starting to make an effort to sign autographs etc" he's been doing that for years. Just because he's not doing corporate gigs doesn't mean he's not making time for fans. I've met him a few times and he's been a delight and made time for opposition fans too.
To paraphrase Bricktop, "get your tongue outa his arse!"
I have i have a couple of people deep inside the RFU who tell me he’s a genuinely top bloke. At least one of those employs the “no dickhead” rule on the touch line at every England game. I believe them.
100% this. The comment about him 'starting to sign autographs' is so dumb. To the Saracen fans he's always been generous with his time.
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Eddie Jones was the perfect coach for England because he took a lot of the flak for the team and absorbed the media shit like a boss.
Every team has its nemesis. England's is the media.
But also a lot of the negativity around the team stems from Jones and his selections and game style. Not excusing the booing but it started under Jones when the fans got fed up with terrible rugby. It's not fair on Farrell but people associate his selection with kicking the leather off the ball. I am convinced the boos were about wanting more running rugby from the likes of Smith, Ford, Arundel etc and not a dislike for Farrell himself.... but then again I cant read minds.
He took the s**t but he failed as a coach!
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Terrible rugby like a world cup final? 3 six nations titles out of 7? including one grand slam? or were you talking about the last bout of his career as coach like that draw against the All Blacks?
Now if you were Australian, I'd understand why you would be mad against him.
People seem to forget that he took England from a pool exit in 2015 to a World Cup final with some of the most intelligent playing.
The truth is that the hammering they got from SA in 2019 final is something the team never recovered from until this year's semi where they showed real bravery, and if we're really honest with ourselves - how many truly world class players have stepped up for England these past 4 years?
It has been an endless parade of poor form. No coach would have been able to recover that - Eddie should either have left in 2019 or been there until after this world cup.
On top of all this I really think the RFU is mismanaging the sport, I don't see any evidence of the game being grown - the local clubs are doing what they can, but where are the school clinics, where is the marketing to more underpriviliged areas? We are sitting on a goldmine of talent but we are squandering it.
@@bobrong9645 I wasnt giving my opinion on Jones, only what the general sentiment from the fans was immediately prior to his sacking. Of course he should be praised for his job up to 2019, but in the last 3 years fans were getting sick on him.
I think it was a hangover from that ill feeling that led to the Farrell boos, which was very unfair.
Fans want England to run the ball, so a kicking 10 and wings that chase kicks like May were unpopular, especially after the Argentina result where Ford excelled (ironically by kicking every ball he got!)
Honestly, the abuse he's received and the fact that English fans have turned on him for the sake of some internet clout and clicks drive me mad. He's literally the 2nd highest points scorer ever, behind dan carter, who captained the team to a WC cup final and a semi. Ford/Farrel was absolutely dominant at its peak, he's driven sarries to many a premiership trophy, gave Smith a masterclass in game management the other day and yet people still think he's not the best 10 in England and send abuse to him and his family.
Wasn't just England fans abusing farell
I'm sure he's used to rival fans having a go and him being the villain. When it's your own fans, that's the problem. @@michelemijat8260
He's not stepping back because some people think he's no the best 10 in England though, is he? It's the band-wagon jumping hate.
It’s really not if he’s the best 10 or not, people should not be allowed to treat people the way they have towards him and Barnes it’s wrong critise him etc, no problem at all but the vulgar abuse it unacceptable.
The reason he has so many points for England is because he wouldn’t allow himself to be dropped…….he ruled the roost…….picked himself himself…….not much competition against him in the last 10 years……a rough bloke……I’m glad he was in the team…….always worth 3 points to the opposite team……ta very mooch owen
Wait…aren’t these the same blokes that inflated the rumour that Farrell was the reason “King” Henry didn’t get picked or touch the ball when he played?
Goode especially. And possibly libelous.
What I hate is when sexton missed his kick against NZ or when kane got a red card in the RWC final, their nations welcomed them home. they weren't chastised like farrel gets.
They're not as abrasive as Farrell tho. He's just not very likeable. Great player though.
@@berenvalari People would like him if he was on their team or backing them up in a rumble.
@@berenvalariSexton is very abrasive.
@@berenvalari Don't talk rubbish. Sexton has a Phd in abrasion.
@@berenvalari Sexton copped a ban for abusing the officials to their face after the Champions Cup final. He also mouthed off to the NZ players after the QF. I'd say that's much less likeable than Farrell.
I'm a saffa that loved to hate Farrell but you cannot deny the hard work and the way he lifts the game of those that play with him. The guy is an exceptional player and he carries himself really well. He won me over and couole years back with the way he does his talking on the pitch and the way he carries himself despite all the hate he gets. All the best to him and his family.
Undoubtedly this is part societal, but for Goode to sit there and feign Ignorance and shock, sticks in my craw. Goode has advanced a huge anti farrell narrative for years. The reported clickbait about Arundell and Farrell at the rwc was textbook . For Jim and Goode to sit there and say are not mainstream media is nonsense. They have a huge platform, one of the biggest in the game, they need to be far more careful with words.
Spot on. The hypocrisy stinks.
Owen Farrell is my favourite player of all time. I genuinely think the intensity and work rate he brings to his game is inspiring.
The sickening comments you constantly see on insta against him whenever he is mentioned is outrageous. Imagine if he was your son/dad/husband and you saw him being ripped apart.
Rugby is in a dark place and it keeps getting darker
The internet is a dark place and it’s getting darker. A lot of the blame lies there. I am a staunch Farrell fan.
Intensity in what way?
Too many football fan attitudes creeping into rugby. Rugby used to full of gentleman having civil discussions about the game and anything nasty was saved for the pitch, now its getting bitchy sadly. I might not be his biggest fan but i respect him and the quality he’s shown for england and the sarries.
Irish fan but could never understand how underappreciated Faz seems to be in England. For me he's a generational great.
Because he played poorly in an England shirt for 4 years following 2019. Nobody criticised him pre-2019 because he was playing well and was there on merit. Pretty simple really.
@@bm8725 fair enough pal but any paddy, kiwi, saffa or aussie I know would kill for him. Be careful what you wish for.
@@farlo90 Well, that's a really easy thing to say in a comment on YT. The Aussies maybe, but if any other of those teams replaced their fly half or one of their centres with Owen Farrell at level he is today, I doubt the fans would be happy.
I have been a passionate England rugby fan for many years and the stick Owen Farrell gets is disgusting. He is a generational talent and arguably Englands greatest ever rugby player.
The game is quickly slipping away from what it once was and the values it held so highly. It is a real shame, rugby is going backwards
Nonsense. He kicks well and plays territory well. That’s it.
This guy can't even tackle . He is a scared baby for not bending his backside and tackle like a man. And he always moan and groan with the ref. Don't need guys like that in rugby. Rather go and play soccer where you can act like Owen
Couldn’t England get a player who speaks proper english
@@user-hu7rn4ym8jyou can buy England won’t win a game
@@tomjoyce6365tell that to the 2019 all blacks team that lost in the semifinals and the ABs team that got beaten by the lions
Has been my favourite player and responsible for so many incredible moments in an England and Lions shirt over the past decade . Absolutely gutted that he has had to make this decision for his family.
Which moments are those in particular?
And Goode stirring shit during the world cup about Arundel. Elephant in the podcast, he needs to own it.
Also it's not just about Faz, imagine how upset his wife and kids would be to hear that kind of public abuse, and then how upset their sadness would make him.
I see all the haters have gone missing. Loving all the comments below supporting Farrell and hope he knows that true knowledgable rugby fans realise how good he is and love his desire to never lose. He will be back and I cant wait.
Yes, but the 'support' came way too late.
I certainly don`t blame the guy. He has been destroyed by all the keyboard warriors. He is a brilliant player.
If he show manners oh yes things will suit him but his arogance and rotten manners count against him
@@maryjooste6161a totally unbiased SA opinion I see 👍
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Arrogance and bad manners?
He never struck me as arrogant, seems very humble in the press . Doesn't court attention in media . When has he been arrogant?
As for bad manners ? Not sure what you mean
Rich coming from Goode, he loves whipping up the hate mob .
All the best faz, I’ve always thought you were a great competitor. The abuse is absolutely disgraceful and fair play to you for the break. From Ireland
I think the booing at the Fiji game is the significant straw that broke his back. I also think the booing was actually more a reflection that the fans wanted to see Ford start at 10 rather than an actual dislike of Owen. It was poor and nothing takes away from that. I hope Owen comes back into the England team at some point. A proper player and leader.
Yeh, you're probably right. I do think the booing is indicative or what a poor attitude people have in general though. Even if you disagree with the selection you back the team and support them to do their best. It's childish and petty to do anything otherwise.
That's the Stuart Barnes' theory 'after the fact'. It's not good enough for the cheer leader of the boo-boys to use his Times column to mitigate the fact that he's been abusing Farrell for years just to sate his weird and hateful obsession. And you shouldn't go around pushing it. What's 'broke his back', as you put it, probably has more to do with the upset this will be causing his wife and two loving sons, who must be wondering why 'everyone' seems to be hating on their father when they couldn't be prouder.
Most of the booing was from French and other fans, England didn't dominate the stadiums, the locals did, why is it never pointed out that it other fans that hate him so much..... especially the Welsh.
@@honisoitquimalypense1316because he probably doesn’t give a damn about opposition fans, he’s one of ours and as such fans and media should have had his back, they didn’t…
Finally somebody drawing a distinction between criticism and abuse, as most other pundits now just conflate the two.
Not relevant in this discussion though, why bring up critique on his rugby game? There's been plenty more abuse directed at Farrell as a person than Farrell as a rugby player.
@@toma411 Of course it's relevant. From what I've seen most England fans are critical and rightly so. Those who are personally abusive online seem to be mostly fans of other countries who'll hate him whatever he does. I see this break as a positive thing for him and England. If it means he comes back as good as he was in 2019 great! And if he doesn't want too that's fine too. He's had a 11 year run (5 as captain). Personally, in terms of leadership I think ppl project his father onto him, but he's not his father. It's good to be intense but at the right times otherwise it just leads to burnout of those around him. I also think he picked up some bad habits from Eddie Jones.
We’ll miss him in the 6 nations, and when he’s retired properly . Us fans underestimate these few players who are dedicated beyond measure to the game, to improving, to winning. His fellow players don’t - you only hear universal respect for him from teammates and opposition players.
I made a comment defending Faz on an instagram page, I was called a “see you next Tuesday “ by a fellow Instagammer and the same guy told me “Faz ain’t gonna shag ya because you’ve stood up for him!” How vitriolic and totally unwarranted is that from and adult ‘family man.. 🤷🏼♀️
As a South African growing up in Cape Town, a certain element of the local supporters always boo’s at games where international teams visit and mostly not for the visiting teams. It has always dumbstruck me how small minded and disrespectful it is to boo a professional team / player.
It says something about society of our times.
I had to stop listening to this podcast. Big Jim is great and I still watch his stand-alone stuff but I can’t listen to Andrew on his soap box. From what I did hear over the World Cup though, some of the roots of this problem lie at Goodies door imo.
I agree.
Goode is exactly who McCall was talking about when he said the media should look at themselves. He's constantly looking for the controversy and clickbait soundbites around a select few players.
You are right about Goode but you've left out Stuart Barnes who's been driving this crap for more than 10 years.
@@henryb160 yes Barnes does it too. As have a number of other writers. It's disgusting.
It's the young generation, who are osessed and beleive what the media and all the crap written on social media, Farrell is an absolute beast and should be so proud of himself for what he's achieved, a warrior and a man, booing the England captain was one of the worst things I've seen in any sport, go and have a break pal, be with your family, don't let the f*%%#@& grind you down. A proud Englishman .
First of all, I'm not a big Owen Farrell fan. However, he certainly dose not deserve this. The keyboard warriors of anti social media have a lot to do with it, as do the main stream media.
I hope that Owen manages to come out of this un scared & puts it all behind him & remember, family come first !
Good to see that Andy is not whinging about Eddie Jones for a change. Got dropped and never got over it. Farrell can come to Australia any day. Great tough player
England Rugby has done a lot to eradcate classism. Unfortunately is still exists strongly in the fan base. It's also cost us our stand out competitor and one of our greatest ever players.
I've had my doubts about farrell for a couple of years now but it's his game I don't like not the man...this is ridiculous how people have made this a personal attack rather than a criticism of his game...I think him having a break might help or force england to develop but I don't like the way it's gone down if I honest rugby used to be above all this crap.
As a die-hard Scotland fan, I think the stick and abuse Owen has got is disgusting. Banter is one thing but this constant abuse is not on.
One of the greatest to ever do it! 🐐
I feel that the problem rests with England team selection and Borthwick. England have some fantastic players who are capable of playing an exciting game but are strangled by the ten man game plan. The fan frustration just boils over and Farrell gets the flak. It wasn't his fault that he got selected - look at the coach.
You don't get it. You're part of the problem.
Owen Farrell is one of the best English players I have ever seen, English media and fans ganging up on him don't help much. Genuinely wish he was a springbok
When are you putting up the footage of you training with the army?
Great shirt. Well done Jim!
The English love a bit of self loathing. It got to the point where we had to ban mentioning his name and the club he plays at during a weekend of watching the RWC.
It is horrific the things that Farrell had to endure! This is becoming the new norm throughout society in everything…sport, music, art, politics etc. I don’t believe sadly he will return. Why would he?
I think you are wrong when you say he brought some of it on himself. Whatever his tackles were, nobody deserves abuse for it and you say some of the critique has to be expected but the critical judgement of his incidents from within Rugby and the media has been abusive. A lot of old school Rugby players critique him and yet they would never have lived with the current rules.
Rugby is becoming almost unplayable and important games are being decided on mis-timed tackles and I see identical tackles refereed incositently.
Owen for me is:
- A leader
- A role model
- Totally committed
- The man you would want on your team
- A winner
Most of the fans were French or other countries that booed him. Not English fans.
Hey Andy Goode, any more news on Farrell's alleged assault on Arundel during the World Cup?
Owen Farrell is an unbelievable talent and certainly does not deserve such abuse. I sometimes think he can be his own worst enemy, his celebration at a penalty not being awarded following his tackle on Andre Esterhuizen back in 2018 won't endear himself to fans, certainly not those who enjoy good hard clean rugby!! As always great show, thank you!!
Yeah but that tackle (whether high or not) won them a massive game against the world champions. Of course you're going to celebrate it!
Your attempt at justifying the abuse heaped on him and his family is risible.
Why are none of you discussing the story Andy made up about his bust up with Arundell? Can’t have been helpful
The Rugby Pod likes to stoke the flames and whip up the mob, in particular AG who seems to exist almost entirely in the mob realm at the toxic edge of rugby where the game's cornerstones of honour and respect take a back seat to the modern grift of trolling for exposure.
Hope everyone is happy now
At the time he was making high tackles left and right I had a bad impression of him. But after hearing him speak a few times and watching him play more my 'opinion' has changed. I genuinely felt bad for him when he got the red card.
England's highest points scorer, I believe, highest points scorer at the world cup, over 100 caps and England captain and he's still getting booed....Maybe he just thought "what's the point".
FAZ should follow Wilko, get a stint at Toulon, enjoy the weather and culture. He’s done enough for England. If the fans can’t appreciate him then stuff ‘em.
Well done boys, honest and decent.
Now that Farrell has "stepped back" who would you go after in your podcasts?!
It’s a shame in a way that because Owen is such a beast, fierce competitor and leader in a squad, very few are considered leaders ahead of him to captain on the pitch.
Great man and player that he is (I would say that as a Sarries fan!), he is not an on field international Rugby Captain by any stretch of imagination for the modern game where you need to have 2 additional key skills:
(1) Know the forward play inside out ie scrum, lineout, maul, ruck etc
(2) Have the diplomacy/charisma to charm/win over the ref throughout the match.
If he was not Captain, a lot of the unjustifiable stick he gets would probably not have surfaced because the microscope would have been less intense (bad tackles aside which would have been less of an issue without the additional criticism)…. It feels like something has not been right in recent rugby months for Faz with the uncharacteristically poor conversion/penalty form compared to previous years…
On the plus side, this could be a win-win all-round with more important family time for Faz and his family and a perfect time to hand over the baton to Marcus Smith who should be given the freedom to play his way…and for England to build a team around him and Mitchell…
Thanks for the great England achievements Faz and the memories - your country salutes you….
Good luck Marcus - your time has come!!
Agreed 100% fellas, this is a societal problem. Social media allows alarming toxicity, it is a safe harbour for those to spew their bile under a cloak of anonymity. Such people have empty lives, gutless nobodies without moral fibre, emboldened by a keyboard - people of no consequence whatsoever. It's a societal problem that society needs to deal with - the abusers must be exposed for the deviants that they are - a dose of limelight publicity would make them very tongue-tied instantly.
Jim Hamilton's comments re Owen Farrell very astute.
Perhaps I just can't believe that England fans would boo their own players at the start of a match, but I believe that when England played Fiji it was the French fans who were booing, not England fans... There was booing of other significant players from other teams when they were announced... French fans were dominating in almost every match, and were chanting for their team even when they were not playing (which was disrespectful in my opinion, in itself). Perhaps some England fans who were actually at the match can say something about who was booing.
This all started with that Esterhuizen tackle. He should have penalised for it but wasn’t and as a result, South Africa were denied the opportunity to win the game. Ever since then every transgression of his big or small, real or imaginary, has been put under the microscope and very often blown out of proportion.
Does he need to work on his tackling? Perhaps. He does seem to make illegal tackles SLIGHTLY more frequently than the average player. He still makes scores, if not hundreds, of perfectly legal ones in between time. But the way people talk about him you’d think he was making multiple, deliberate head shots a game.
Either way, the reaction to him is ridiculously over the top. Just demonstrates the irrational, reactionary nature of a lot of sports fans.
Every player has committed a tackle for which he should have been penalised, but wasn’t. Yet Farrell gets the abuse. Why? Because of the badge on his shirt.
Just based on form and cool headedness George Ford should have been playing. That's what broke the camels back. People don't tolerate that shit anymore.
RUclips is the only social media I follow and mainly rugby channels like this, Eggchasers, Alfie reynolds etc. When people talk about abuse what do they mean? If people are bad mouthing his family or they want him to die, I agree that's unacceptable. If however, they are criticising his play or form on the pitch, suck it up. Pro sportsmen are among the luckiest people in the world, if they are happy to get cheered and clapped they also have to accept some criticism. In Farrells case he has repeatedly been picked when he's not the form player, especially at centre so when you talk about all his caps I just don't buy it- who's feeling sorry for George Ford on the bench or Henry Slade hardly getting a pass in 80 minutes?. At Saracens they broke the salary cap for 3 years, got penalised for one and were allowed to keep their Championships- feel sorry for Exeter. My biggest critiscism of whole England mangement is that they repeatedly sit down after poor performances and go on about "Green shoots, so much to be excited about, heading in the right direction but there's work to be done etc ", when it's obvioius that's just rubbish and I'm afraid OF sits there and agrees- if he said "that wasn't good enough" I'm respect him loads more
The abuse he has received is disgusting, aided by the inept World Rugby and the media including some ex players, that did NOT help. Constructively criticise his performance by all means but personal criticism and the spreading of rumours was and is a disgrace. We've all got a responsibility to be better and that includes Owen who brings a lot of heat on himself with poor tackling technique.
I've been thinking a lot about who exactly these "fans" are that have been booing him at games. Are they people who just thought they'd head off on a 60 minute flight to France and have a boozy weekend and watch some game; are they the dyed-in-the- wool rugby-till-I-die fans who are doing the booing or are they just online trolls who have nothing better in their lives to do than stir up shit. It's sad to see, maybe we could all do a better job of explaining the rugby culture to the new influx of fans; that this behaviour is unacceptable.
Idiot element everywhere unfortunately!
I won't be watching the next 6 Nations.... I will will vote with my TV remote...
Think he’s a bit of a pantomime villain, he doesn’t help himself with his conduct on the pitch, off the pitch I’m sure he’s an ace father, son, friend, but on the pitch with the kind of limelight that shines on him, his arrogance, petty violence and general demeanour is not what I would like kids to emulate.
Ill caveat that with his desire is second to none, he’s a great player and an icon of his age but if he’d just walk away now and again and stop the deliberate desire to harm individuals on the pitch does him no favours.
Online bullying and abuse such as he’s receiving is unacceptable, he is a dad and has a duty to protect his family first. Maybe this is a cathartic moment for him and he’ll be even better all round when he comes back to international rugby.
I’ve always seen ‘booing’ as a kind of joke thing, to laugh about with the opposition fans but the fan dynamic is changing, seems to be more tribal and soccerish now. Banter is one thing but abuse is unacceptable.
I think he’ll be back next… just getting himself into some good headspace
Had England held out against S. Africa, and then beat the All Blacks with a last minute Farrell penalty, would we now be discussing Sir Owen?
It was always going to be a tough task for anyone to replace Sir Jonny, but Owen Farrell has stuck to that task and he is not finished yet.
Like his dad, I think Owen Farrell will go on to great things in international rugby after he stops playing.
While I am not a current Owen Farrell fan (purely based on his style of play and my own opinion that I dont think he is the best option for England at 10 or 12) and while I am in favour of armchair/pub supporters having their own point of view (which is part of the fun of sport), I genuinely don't understand why there is any hatred or abuse to him or what type of person thinks this is appropriate. Whether you like him or not, he has done so much for English rugby and no one warrants any type of abuse. Social media needs to take far more action on those that act in such abhorrent ways.
The problem isn’t his attitude as a player, his work ethic, his commitment or the amount of points he’s scored as a player.
The problem is that he does exactly what the coach tells him to do. He’s a robot. This can be good or bad. Also, his relationship with the younger players who want ball in hand Rugby hasn’t been great and I don’t think he understands how to motivate the likes of Smith and Arundell. Shouty agro bullying isn’t what’s required when dealing with self critical individuals who see the game differently. Also, he’s been following a very negative and ultimately floored game plan where we have Borthwick dictating how we should be playing rugby. If Arundell spends 67 mins without being passed the ball then it’s a major problem.
Remember the ole adage sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me?🤔 I miss those days.
I don’t blame him.
He’s not a dirty player or a bad bloke. He’s competitive to a fault and tough as they come. He’s robust in defence and sometimes gets it wrong and he doesn’t back down. He doesn’t lord it up in the papers or talk shite. Yes he isn’t known for showing personality and seems slightly callous because - so he then gets targeted by fans home and away win, lose or draw. But one things for sure if he’s on your side be that England or B & I Lions you’ll be glad - and everyone he’s played with says the same. Think of ALL the really dirty players you’ve seen over the years; really late or deliberately high shots/stamps/heads/elbows/gouges/trips/taking players in the air and worst of all rolling around faking hurt to get a decision. Then think of Farrell.
He’s Andy Farrell’s son and the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.
Stick to rugby and leave the hate.
I would be the first to admit that Owen's passion for the game can sometimes get the better of him, does this make him the justified target of a bunch of cowards hiding behind a keyboard? A friendly marler esque arm around the shoulder and the occasional few words of reason when faz is about to have a row with the referee is all that is needed. The wisdom to have an inner voice that says 'walk away from this one lad' and then do what you do best and let your boots do the talking.. it will come and it will be the making of him. And this is nothing I wouldn't say to his face over a few beers in a rugby club... Unlike the hoards of internet warriors who enjoy nothing more than ripping someone apart because they have actually achieved something. Rugby players are pretty thick skinned in general, but who knows what goes on inside an individual's head? In the reality television world, celebrities and would bes have taken their own lives as a result of online abuse from cowards who would never put their heads above their keyboards... How much will it take, how many individuals and families destroyed, careers ended and ultimately, lives lost before their time before we say no more to people hiding behind Instagram and Twitter etc and hurling vile abuse to amuse themselves themselves?
I disagree with the focus; it's not mostly about twats on twatter, or even the criticism from MSM or semi-MSM, it's about the fact that he has been the face of two (ultimately) failed coaching regimes and quite clearly an unhappy England set-up. He was booed because, with the exception of 80 minutes vs SA, England have rarely turned up - and he has been part of that set-up.
He can't be the leader and not take criticism for the failure.
FWIW I'm Scottish and would be delighted to see him back as he has helped to drag England teams down more often than not
a leading part of that set-up
He wont care about the online abuse. It's more likely due to him wanting to still be playing club Rugby at 34/35 and feeling realistically he needs to make a sacrifice in order for that to happen.
There’s something very suspicious going on here. There seem to now be more lovers than haters for Owen.
Unfortunately Farrell has been the lightning rod for the anti English racism that flows through the game like a cancer.
There has been a lot of hate towards England and it has been building and building. In commentators, in the commentary, in the experts and in it has spread into the fans
My opinion only
The SA match was a disgrace and I was as angry is OF at the reffing .
He would not have been human had he not responded also if he didn’t respond then he never could it or would.
Not sure why everyone Hates England but it has became the focus point on OF
Another case English media and some fickle fans alienating another great player.
Farrell is not my favorite player, but no one should endure threats to their family or face personal degradation to a degree that discourages their participation in the sport.
Rugby is eating itself.
I don’t think I’ve seen him getting interviewed on any podcasts etc?
I wonder if he could have softened people’s opinions if he had spoken candidly with ex players and we could get a bit more of an understanding of the man.
Personally I think the way he has been treated is just reprehensible. Reminds me of the abuse David Beckham got after the World Cup. It’s not acceptable
Don't think the piss getting ripped out of him every week on the Pod helped him
Love Goodey's pisstaking of Boredthick, Ford and Farrell's goober,northern monkey, accents!
We need more of it in rugby!
What's not so Goode is the fact he'll never say to their faces!
Well, maybe Ford!
We need more top players calling out other top players to their face, like "Tunnelgate" at Murrayfield! Farrell jumping to defend his girlfriend's honour lost England that game, and started England's current run of losing to Scotland!
See you in a bit.
Bigger problem in my mind, as an avid rugby supporter, what about the refs? They get this and worse after every game.....this world cup, every team that lost in the knock-out stages blamed the refs/tmo's. Without refs, there is no game...
Will never forget he classless reaction to not getting a penalty for his cowardly cheap shot on Esterhuizen...we reap what we so buddy
Of course, abuse from social media and from fans in the stadium is disgraceful. But I feel Farrell has also been unfairly targeted by certain members of the press, and by certain officials.
It’s probably inevitable that the availability of the opportunity to place their words where it’s public that you will get a proportion of idiots taking advantage. What has disappointed me is that there have been some “pundits” who have crossed the line from expressing an expert opinion on selection or not to being a personal attack.
I expect this from soccer but I thought rugby had supporters of a higher intellect. Clearly, I’m out of date.
Almost every game in the World Cup the springboks were booed, especially when taking place kicks, even seeing it in the Rugby Championship, totally unsportsmanlike but as a professional you should be able to ignore it. Rugby will always have villans and heroes, but once your role is cast just play the game...
You think it was SA fans booing their own players? I highly doubt it.
It wasn't their own fans doing the booing though, that's the difference.
Incredible coming from Goode! What a hypocrite
Is there evidence that he actually got booed by England fans? Might these have been neutral fans who bought tickets for the
Literally, people at the game have said there were England fans booing around them
A top player. A lot of bandwagon jumping from the hate mongers
It’s too easy to say THIS IS A SOCIETAL PROBLEM, as rugby supporters and member of that society we have to take active steps to stop this behaviour. Banter is obviously healthy but how we define what’s acceptable and not acceptable. Goode you some times push it chum and I think you need to own that. Look at your own behaviour in terms Stevie B…
no arms farrell, now no captain farrell.
Owen Farrell is a bit of a marmite personality - you either love him or loath him. Top talent no denying it. He does have a tendency to illegally tackle people and he is super mouthy to referees. I also think that loss to the Springboks at the world cup psychologically hurt him. There is a difference between abuse and valid criticism. Rugby Pod have never crossed that line.
He is not mouthy to referees. He legitimately asks questions as captain and makes very valid points. Nigel Owens is on record saying that Farrell was respectful.
As another commenter pointed out, Dan Biggar has a worse tackle record whilst Farrel has 2 reds in almost 250 appearances. This narrative that he regularly tackles high is just false. He's had 2 high profile reds, ever.
@@Gilescowdemdem you can search farrel bad tackles on youtube and there is about 7-8 really bad ones where it causes afters and the players all dive in, he only gets yellows in those situation and i'm sure there is one against SA and the USA where he gets nothing so to just blindly quote his record is wrong. He is that type of player that annoys his opposition and leaves the boot in quite often to annoy players. thats why he gets the hate, it comes accross badly when England lose.
The comment about OF not speaking to the fans is utter rubbish, he always stays out after every game, he is normally the last out there
Abuse is wrong. But there has to be a reason why he copped so much … so what was it(??)
Is he perceived as a bit too full of himself(??)
Bye bye Owen. I wonder if things might change, and centres will be given passes sometime soon?
No I don’t like his method of play. He is not a great No 10.
Yes he’s kicked loads of penalties, but nowadays you get penalties for sneezing aggressively.
A good 10, activates his team into an attacking or defensive mode, and can run good angles and pass the ball cleanly. He does that very very sparingly when playing for England.
For a current good 10 just look at France and McKenzie in NZ.
I’m not too sure this is a rugby problem this seems to me to be an English problem. Call it like it is.
The English love to hate themselves.
Nonsense. It’s not England fans that abused Wayne Barnes or Tom Foley. Just as it wasn’t England fans that perpetrated the vile abuse of Nic Berry after the famous Erasmus. video assassination. Problem is if international coaches and mainstream media can get away with unacceptable criticism then it’s a signal to online trolls that anything goes. There is an element of English so called online fans that are disgusting but no more than we’ve seen in New Zealand, France and especially South Africa.
Farrell is a fine player for England and saracens but off the ball it’s fair to say he’s a bit of scammer. Refusing bro do hospitality events because it’s “not his thing” really isn’t a great look. The attitude against some refs and to his teammates he’s a proper prick and shouldn’t be glorified as a England legend. Wilkinson was class.
Never seen him be a prick to refs. Certainly can be uncompromising to players if they're below par but then so were Dallaglio and Johnson etc. Winners are
This is incredibly hypocritical. These 2 are part of the pile on.
Not much sympathy for Farrell, as you say, most of it has been brought about by himself. The guys I feel really sorry for are the ones a wee bit older than Farrell that have dementia, Farrell at least gets a chance to sort out his mental problems.
Did you speak out all other times? For instance when Maoris were spear tacking O'Driscoll head first into the ground.
@@henryb160 Yes I did and a I also spoke about the way "World Rugby" side-lined BOD's dad, a doctor and former Irish international, over ten years ago when he was drawing attention to head injuries. Had "World Rugby" heeded him they wouldn't be facing all these hundreds of court cases. As far as Farrell, the writing was on the wall two years ago, I saw his change of behaviour deteriorate, but the England setup decided not to help him - we are where we are.
To all the Cowereds that victimised Owen Farrell I hope one day I hear one of you talking about what you've done, I won't use a key pad.