South African here, lived in the Uk for 15 Your media and fans have done this before, it’s the English thing to do. Danny Cipriani, David Beckham, Raheem Sterling… many many more English sportsmen get abused .. talented sporting individuals being crucified by individuals who are out of breathe from the 10min walk to the local pub and a media that thrives on breaking down a sportsman character.
What are you on about? British press /general public aren’t the ones relentlessly piling on him. It’s been Southern Hemisphere fans - and mostly the Saffers. Just check any of the comments under a RUclips video about Owen Farrell. Started around the time he was accused of smirking at the Haka in NZ and then when Rassie did that melodramatic, staged training video for the press cameras about tackling as high as possible. The Bok Jesus spoke and all his flock faithfully obliged. Been the same with the Bok fans / World Rugby’s response to Tom Curry being racially abused on the pitch and it all being brushed under the carpet to keep the World Cup final clean and shiny. And then to mock a player who’d been racially abused by releasing another Rassie-approved video of them pretending it was just an Afrikaans expression about the ‘wrong side’. Curry should at least have been given a voice to say and officially record what happened …not just in the Semi-Final but also in the same fixture last year against SA. if it was white on black racism we’d be talking about it for 18 months and the white player would be hounded out of the game/society.
Exactly. Amazing how many people call out international rugby players as “rubbish”. It’s farcical they say it about Farrell who’s been playing for England since 2012. Oh yes all the coaches over the years must just be deluded, and the Lions coaches too.
@@mlguy8376 bad sportsmen like that stay embedded in my head. Yip. Happy that he'll most probably play on Saturday. I love watching Kolbe and Co running rings around him just like in 2019. He's a bad tackle away from a card and suspension.
i think people who've played the game love Farrell , he's the sort of player you'd want on your team when things are getting rough . i suspect most of the twats who abuse him didn't play the game . First name on the team sheet for me .
South African played rugby since I was 4 all the way up to varsity cup. I don’t like Owen Farrell as a player. Would never abuse him online but I’m not a fan of how he plays.. so your point that people who have played like him is wrong mate.
Well said Hask. Owne Farrell is one of the all time great rugby players and an oustanding servant of the game, England and Saracens (and I'm a lifelong Saints fan so it hurts to say that! :) )
Would we have been better without him No Tackles anyone who’d coming down the 10 channel legally or not . Puts the kicks over and gives his all I think that’s all we should expect . One player doesn’t make a team there are 14 others who need to stand up .
Not an Owen Farrell fan, I’m a Wales fan! I do get really bored with people going after players, celebrities, whoever, just because we live in a world where you can do it so easily. It is bullying and it’s not big or clever, and it’s certainly not brave. If you wouldn’t say it to someone’s face then why do you think it is ok to say it online?
@@pariscooper5458he’s completely floored people 30-40kg heavier than him what you on? 😂 also get a grip bud, if any of the all blacks players saw your comment they’d be embarrassed to have a drink with you behave yourself
It’s more than ‘having a go’ it’s absolute bullying of the highest order and shouldn’t be tolerated. His approach to the media should be praised and respected as a personal choice. He is the epitome of England rugby.
@@thomastimms88I might be wrong, but I feel that the online abuse of Farrell is a very different phenomenon from any class issues at the grassroots or issues around opportunities for progression for people from working backgrounds at the RFU... the reason I say this is that there are many more working class (if that is a thing) players in the England team than Farrell, but he is the one who cops all the abuse. eg rugby has got a racism problem (like the rest of society has) but the players from ethnic minority backgrounds in the England team do not get anywhere near as much (public) online abuse as Farrell.
@shonunezekiel right, firstly you can't claim that many of the motivations to give Farrell abuse is not because he's working class as there are other working class players in the team who don't get abused. E.g. there are many racist people in society who wouldn't abuse an ethnic minority associated with them but would happily abuse other ethnic minorities. It doesn't stop them being racist. Likewise, just because Ford doesn't get as much abuse, doesn't mean the motivations to abuse Farrell aren't driven by class hatred. I certainly wouldn't rule Faz's class out of why he cops so much abuse. Sam Burgess suffered the same nonsense and he was the best defensive centre in the world by some stretch (im a Bath season ticket holder). Rugby has always had a class issue and a racism issue. Still rife to this day.
Yeah. It wont have anything to do with his dozens it not hundreds of intentionally dangerous tackles, its because of his accent. Not defending trolls or people abusing him, but people can be critical of his tackling.
@@davidkelly499 agreed. I think the games gone to PC and soft compared to years gone by and moaning about a fly half smashing back rows is embarrassing (my opinion) but your spot on it’s the question around the tackling nothing to do with his class
He's not the only player to occasionally tackle badly but the online hatered of Farrell does seem to exceed any other player. I don't think it's just about the tackling
@@davidkelly499love to know more these dozens/hundreds of dangerous tackles you refer to. I've tried to research this in international and premiership but weirdly save the vouple of highlighted ones , I can't find them . With your numbers he must be committing several dangerous tackles , every game. Where are they ? His English and Premiership discipline record is mysteriously excellent. I totally agree abusing or threating individual players, refs or just ordinary people online is wrong and people should be held to account. Rugby fans hold the game in a high regard professing its superior and unique values over other sports like football Sadly some of these same fans believe that values of game like respect simply dont apply to them . Ps if you can point me to a source that has data on high tackle /player stats , yhat would be amazing
Farrell gets stick which is way over the top. It’s not a class issue as Ford is from the same background and gets nowhere near the abuse. The problem with Farrell is he is often quite ineffective and doesn’t control a game, but he is undroppable and everything is built around him when he doesn’t always deserve it!!
Ford has received some abuse in the past too. Rugby has always had class prejudice and racism. The history of rugby is quite frankly shocking and a huge slight on the game.
Owen’s treat has been appalling! Disgusting in fact! Could this type of “trolling” be indicative of what I see as increasing numbers of “football supporters” becoming involved in Rugby?
Andy Farrell seems to be an incredibly nice person and by all accounts from other players and coaches a very nice man. There is no way he raised his son to be awful.
ABSOLUTELY NAILED ON. Let's say it for what it is. CLASS. He speaks with the wrong accent. What people don't realise is where he and his dad came from is probably the most talented rugby town the U.K. has ever seen. He's an absolute warrior. A Wigan warrior. Legends of the game. Jason Robinson (Leeds) Sam Burgess Chris Ashton Andy Farrell Joel Tomkins Shaun Edwards All with the same accent. All got their fair share of stick. I suffered the same playing in leafy surrey. "The northerner"
No coincidence, he’s from a rugby league background. Wigan St.Pats. He isn’t from a private school in Hertfordshire, he fits the bill until it suits. It ain’t rocket science guys.
Genuinely now the vast majority of abuse he gets is from welsh fans, every single time Iv seen comments it’s someone from wales. Obviously there’s the odd divvy Englishman. Neither are acceptable you wouldn’t say it to his face and he’s a all time great English player give it a rest it’s cowardly and pathetic
Sometimes terrible at media interviews, and as a captain someone should have helped him get better at them. Some of the tackles are shoulder charges. But.... does any of that justify the degree of abuse? No. Not close. Great fucking player.
1. He got away with illegal tackles for way too long (the RFU even reducing punishments until the international committee steps in). 2. He is absolutely arrogant and has a smug smile. 3. The disrespect shown to the NZ haka in 2019 made people hate his smugness. 4. He constantly back chats the ref.
It’s bizarre because Owen is such a nice guy. Really dedicated and professional, doting family man, big heart too (hence the kick celebration). Not to mention England’s preffered fly half for the past 11 years. This is not the profile of a “yob” “thug” “rubbish player” etc. The Jonny Wilkinson thing just sums it up too. Look at any post or video that says Owen is England’s highest points scorer and I guarantee the top comments will be “He’s not as good as Jonny” “Jonny got his with less games” “Owen can’t hold a candle to Jonny”. You’ll be scrolling for some time to find a “Congratulations”.
Farrell’s petulance cost England the match against South Africa . The ten metres he gave away when ref marches him back , putting Pollard in range ultimately was the difference .
Sometimes the ‘media’ don’t help either. Take that clown Andy Goode for example on that ‘other show’. Every time, and I mean EVERY time he talks about Owen Farrell or George Ford or Steve Borthwick out comes the faux northern accent and the caricature that they’re all as thick a pig shit and don’t know what they’re doing. Reinforcing an almost racist or xenophobic stereotype. Yeah, I know us northerners aren’t a race or a people, but it has the same feel about it. And he does the same with anyone French as well. I’m sure he’d say ‘it’s just bants’…
I don't like Owen, well I didn't. I'm south african and here is my thought, he played like an absolute arse but after the last world cup, 2023, the game after SA, I saw a different guy, actually a dam nice guy how he conducted himself, how he spoke, so yeah, I agree we all need to back off. He is a great player. My opinion has changed. A great player. Hope he can come back from this all and be treated better
To my mind the Irish guy may have a good point because there is something irregular about the way he is treated. As a sportsman with a sense of fair play I feel disgusted of the effect this could have on his family. Sometimes pasion needs to be reined in that's all.
He's a professional athlete and when someone's a professional athlete some people will love you and some people will hate you. He has to be less of a snowflake. He has to become mentally tough. It's time to stop sniveling.
It is cause of his league background. It’s the same thing Sam Burgess got scapegoated for at the WC. Even Robinson had people in the union media against him I don’t know what it is but it seems certain people don’t like seeing a working class lad from a league background doing well in the code. Doesn’t happen in NZ or Aus though
Any abuse directed to him is awful, however, the issue is that he shouldn’t be in the team. Ford is a better option and we are a worse team when he plays. Call that out maybe?
Completely disagree. There’s a time and a place for both of them. Ford is brilliant when England have front foot ball and he has time but crumbles when it’s a physical game. He would have been awful today, Farrells game management is second to none and when we’re in a tight tough physical game there is no one I’d rather have. He gives absolutely everything and today showed that
South African here. I can’t stand the guy and that’s cause he plays for England. We’d happily take a guy like that. Only problem he’d have is making the team. I love England eating their own stuff n this case. Keep up the stupid work fella’s. Perhaps he’ll go off and learn how to tackle on his sabbatical
It's not a class thing. He's a great player that keeps making tackling errors as a leader. Then he doesn't have the same charisma as other captains in front of the media which may come across as off... My analysis as an English fan... Congrats to Faz for his achievement
i get everything said here but i don`t think he is playing in the right position and he needs to tackle correctly, as a forward or rugby league player he might get away with the lack of arms. its not about his commitment its about his "liabilties" giving away penalties in open play sorry but as a former player he would p!ss the hell out of me in a game
It is damn awful because noone can doubt he is epic for Sarries and every challenge he faces for his club is annihalated. It is toxic hatred and it is certainly classist and too easy for people who havent picked up boots since school and only reads the Express and the twit feed. It all coagulated around five years ago didnt it, from grumbles to fans thinking there's a unwritten permission to capital H Hate him with prejudice. Maybe a little bit the Sarries machine, a little bit Salary Cap, a little bit of rub-off from Eddie Jones and Dylan Hartleys anti-press captain run, a little bit high tackles (his technique can be frantic and too keen to avoid being run over) and a lot that he doesn't get the highlights, he calls the plays and hands it straight off so people who only watch six nations don't get what he is good at.
Nothing to do with background because half the people having a go have no idea about his past and he gets shite from all over the world and in the southern hemisphere the class issue is the other way around.
Its nothing to do with his background, the combination of Farrell and Ford just isn’t working at the moment and some have decided to make him the scapegoat.
Can I just say one thing, can Owen Farrel tackle with his arms. That’s the only reason he gets abuse because of the amount of times he does it and the amount of times he gets away with it. Nothing more, nothing less. 🤷🏼♂️
Mate not a chance and it has stuff all to do with class what nonsense your press did this to him they have done the same with countless other sportsman , no person can ever live up to standards, placed on the pedestal they put them on he has a problem with his tackling and he is public enemy number 1 stoked by your so called rugby pundits
I think some criticism has been over the top but I also think supporters of Farrell have used the very small minority of hate to avoid the issue that Farrell is creating more problems than he’s solving in this current England team. Not to say he can’t put it right but so far it does look like Ford OR Farrell at 10 is the right option as tuilagi/Lawrence & Marchant is working better for us. Also, whoever misses out on the starting 10 position out of Ford or Farrell should be left out the 23 as smith & Lawrence have shown they can be a proper weapon for us off the bench.
I've always thought of Farrell as a class player, in recent times, I still think he's class, but he is a grub when making one on one plays, like tackles. Anyone who hates or trolls any pro Rugby player needs a life. Arguably the nicest, classiest players of any sport.
You struggle... Life must be tough... nothing about class... His arrogant smirk is enough... followed by his no arm tackles and having a go at the ref ... Almost as annoying as Willie le Roux
Haha. What is very "Rugby Union"? Stopping black or brown people play for their country? Singing slave songs at Black players? Only accepting "jolly" good lsds who went to private school. Rugby Union is seen as completely backwards by many in society and often rightly so. Rugby Union has a shocking history if you actually bothered to look into it.
Mmmm at the end of the day, Owen Farrell opened himself up to the "abuse"...not saying it's right to abuse... but come on....what he did ...that was wrong too
As a celt, I'm not sure what those is about, have England fans turned on him? We don't like him because he's a dirty cheat who targets heads with his shoulder.
South African here, lived in the Uk for 15 Your media and fans have done this before, it’s the English thing to do.
Danny Cipriani, David Beckham, Raheem Sterling… many many more English sportsmen get abused .. talented sporting individuals being crucified by individuals who are out of breathe from the 10min walk to the local pub and a media that thrives on breaking down a sportsman character.
Hi, Raheem sterling is from Africa. Thanks.
Add Lewis Hamilton in that list
@@kevwalker5714what are you on about??? 😂
What are you on about? British press /general public aren’t the ones relentlessly piling on him. It’s been Southern Hemisphere fans - and mostly the Saffers. Just check any of the comments under a RUclips video about Owen Farrell. Started around the time he was accused of smirking at the Haka in NZ and then when Rassie did that melodramatic, staged training video for the press cameras about tackling as high as possible. The Bok Jesus spoke and all his flock faithfully obliged.
Been the same with the Bok fans / World Rugby’s response to Tom Curry being racially abused on the pitch and it all being brushed under the carpet to keep the World Cup final clean and shiny. And then to mock a player who’d been racially abused by releasing another Rassie-approved video of them pretending it was just an Afrikaans expression about the ‘wrong side’. Curry should at least have been given a voice to say and officially record what happened …not just in the Semi-Final but also in the same fixture last year against SA. if it was white on black racism we’d be talking about it for 18 months and the white player would be hounded out of the game/society.
@@kevwalker5714Jamaica
Farrell has been incredible for England. I'm Welsh and I know it .
Agree with them. Pathetic online trolls. If they stepped on a rugby field they’d get folded up in two minutes.
Exactly. Amazing how many people call out international rugby players as “rubbish”. It’s farcical they say it about Farrell who’s been playing for England since 2012. Oh yes all the coaches over the years must just be deluded, and the Lions coaches too.
Can’t stand bullies yeah you’re 100% right leave the guy alone
Farrel like too fish it out so he must take it too…anyway he is arrogant little shyte….
People hate on hate people on the internet but they won’t do anything in person it’s because they are pussies
South African here. Farrell is a great player
I met Farrell in Lyon withy kids and I'd say I've a good judge of character. What a very sound and humble guy.
Until he gets onto a rugby field and does no arm tackles and walks away smirking.
@@bertrand727don’t think I seen him smirk from a tackle - smirking at the haka yes. Guess that you have a man’s face embedded in your mind.
@@mlguy8376 bad sportsmen like that stay embedded in my head. Yip. Happy that he'll most probably play on Saturday. I love watching Kolbe and Co running rings around him just like in 2019. He's a bad tackle away from a card and suspension.
Spot on. No other country would treat one of their players like this. It’s appalling. Abuse from gutless, talentless keyboard warriors.
He gets abused not only by England fans, but by supporters of other nations
@@michelemijat8260I think it is 'mostly' supporters of other nations isn't it?
Owen is a great player. Great kicker.
Farrell is an incredible rugby player but he consistently makes dodgy tackles and complains non stop, not a class issue more of a character issue.
i think people who've played the game love Farrell , he's the sort of player you'd want on your team when things are getting rough . i suspect most of the twats who abuse him didn't play the game . First name on the team sheet for me .
South African played rugby since I was 4 all the way up to varsity cup. I don’t like Owen Farrell as a player. Would never abuse him online but I’m not a fan of how he plays.. so your point that people who have played like him is wrong mate.
Well said Hask. Owne Farrell is one of the all time great rugby players and an oustanding servant of the game, England and Saracens (and I'm a lifelong Saints fan so it hurts to say that! :) )
Would we have been better without him No
Tackles anyone who’d coming down the 10 channel legally or not .
Puts the kicks over and gives his all
I think that’s all we should expect .
One player doesn’t make a team there are 14 others who need to stand up .
Thank you Hask, I love the way Own Farrell plays for England!
As springbok seporter respect for this man!
Not an Owen Farrell fan, I’m a Wales fan! I do get really bored with people going after players, celebrities, whoever, just because we live in a world where you can do it so easily. It is bullying and it’s not big or clever, and it’s certainly not brave. If you wouldn’t say it to someone’s face then why do you think it is ok to say it online?
AND WHY DO YOU THINK IT IS ALRIGHT TO MOUNT A SHEEP
Guarantee you none of the people that give him the online abuse would say it to his face…
Any kiwi would mate we built different over here
@@pariscooper5458 Lol 'any' Kiwi? I think not
@@Dbdbe1 it's Owen Farrell mate he ain't tough or anything 🤣
@@pariscooper5458he’s completely floored people 30-40kg heavier than him what you on? 😂 also get a grip bud, if any of the all blacks players saw your comment they’d be embarrassed to have a drink with you behave yourself
@@Leprechaunmonkey101 he still ain't tough 🤣
It’s more than ‘having a go’ it’s absolute bullying of the highest order and shouldn’t be tolerated. His approach to the media should be praised and respected as a personal choice. He is the epitome of England rugby.
Anyone who slags Owen Farrell off has no appreciation of how good a player he is and what he’s achieved for England
Owen Farrell is a truly good player AND there is a real disease in the UK for picking on truly worthy people
No matter what it is. It is sad. Everyone put your adult pants on and leave him alone.
People don’t go after Farrell because of “class issues”, what bollocks
Correct - they don't go after him because of 'class issues' - they mostly go after him because they are sheep who enjoy a 'pile on'.
Lol. Yeah because Rugby absolutely doesn't have a class issue 😂 (sarcasm)
@@thomastimms88I might be wrong, but I feel that the online abuse of Farrell is a very different phenomenon from any class issues at the grassroots or issues around opportunities for progression for people from working backgrounds at the RFU... the reason I say this is that there are many more working class (if that is a thing) players in the England team than Farrell, but he is the one who cops all the abuse.
eg rugby has got a racism problem (like the rest of society has) but the players from ethnic minority backgrounds in the England team do not get anywhere near as much (public) online abuse as Farrell.
@shonunezekiel right, firstly you can't claim that many of the motivations to give Farrell abuse is not because he's working class as there are other working class players in the team who don't get abused. E.g. there are many racist people in society who wouldn't abuse an ethnic minority associated with them but would happily abuse other ethnic minorities. It doesn't stop them being racist. Likewise, just because Ford doesn't get as much abuse, doesn't mean the motivations to abuse Farrell aren't driven by class hatred.
I certainly wouldn't rule Faz's class out of why he cops so much abuse. Sam Burgess suffered the same nonsense and he was the best defensive centre in the world by some stretch (im a Bath season ticket holder).
Rugby has always had a class issue and a racism issue. Still rife to this day.
It’s possible that English supporters might do it. However, he gets lots of abuse from non English supporters who call him an ‘arrogant English toff’
Give it a rest Horgan, nothing to do with class.
Mate how has he come to that conclusion it’s the most idiotic thing Iv ever heard on this podcast
Yeah. It wont have anything to do with his dozens it not hundreds of intentionally dangerous tackles, its because of his accent.
Not defending trolls or people abusing him, but people can be critical of his tackling.
@@davidkelly499 agreed. I think the games gone to PC and soft compared to years gone by and moaning about a fly half smashing back rows is embarrassing (my opinion) but your spot on it’s the question around the tackling nothing to do with his class
He's not the only player to occasionally tackle badly but the online hatered of Farrell does seem to exceed any other player. I don't think it's just about the tackling
@@davidkelly499love to know more these dozens/hundreds of dangerous tackles you refer to. I've tried to research this in international and premiership but weirdly save the vouple of highlighted ones , I can't find them . With your numbers he must be committing several dangerous tackles , every game.
Where are they ?
His English and Premiership discipline record is mysteriously excellent.
I totally agree abusing or threating individual players, refs or just ordinary people online is wrong and people should be held to account.
Rugby fans hold the game in a high regard professing its superior and unique values over other sports like football Sadly some of these same fans believe that values of game like respect simply dont apply to them .
Ps if you can point me to a source that has data on high tackle /player stats , yhat would be amazing
There is only few players put their body on the line like Owen does . As an Irish man, he is a player we will be talking about him for years .
Farrell gets stick which is way over the top.
It’s not a class issue as Ford is from the same background and gets nowhere near the abuse.
The problem with Farrell is he is often quite ineffective and doesn’t control a game, but he is undroppable and everything is built around him when he doesn’t always deserve it!!
Ford has received some abuse in the past too. Rugby has always had class prejudice and racism. The history of rugby is quite frankly shocking and a huge slight on the game.
Owen’s treat has been appalling! Disgusting in fact! Could this type of “trolling” be indicative of what I see as increasing numbers of “football supporters” becoming involved in Rugby?
The man has the heart of a lion, gives you everything good or bad, the old school tie mob don't like a working class boy doing the business
Andy Farrell seems to be an incredibly nice person and by all accounts from other players and coaches a very nice man. There is no way he raised his son to be awful.
Some of the stick he deserves. His tackling is highly questionable.
There's a difference between a bit of stick and abuse
Also this is bollocks, the red he got before the World Cup is now being given as a standard penalty by all the refs.
ABSOLUTELY NAILED ON. Let's say it for what it is. CLASS. He speaks with the wrong accent. What people don't realise is where he and his dad came from is probably the most talented rugby town the U.K. has ever seen. He's an absolute warrior. A Wigan warrior.
Legends of the game.
Jason Robinson (Leeds)
Sam Burgess
Chris Ashton
Andy Farrell
Joel Tomkins
Shaun Edwards
All with the same accent. All got their fair share of stick. I suffered the same playing in leafy surrey. "The northerner"
No coincidence, he’s from a rugby league background. Wigan St.Pats. He isn’t from a private school in Hertfordshire, he fits the bill until it suits. It ain’t rocket science guys.
Well said, Owen Farrell, absolutely brilliant ❤️💪🏉
A class issue? Oh for Gods sake.
I fully agree the abuse is wrong but don't make things up.
I know right, what a load of shite 😂. Nobody likes Farrell because he's consistently dirty and gets away with it. Get over it.
Ha said I wonder is it.. not that if definitely is. But I agree with it .. he takes more abuse then any other player
@@Sineadhawk He did... but you well know he is implying its the case. ;)
There is zero to suggest its related to class.
@ChristopherPhillips yeah because class prejudice in Rugby is so unheard of😂(sarcasm)
@@thomastimms88 Yeah because I'm refuting that classism could exist right. 😂
Genuinely now the vast majority of abuse he gets is from welsh fans, every single time Iv seen comments it’s someone from wales. Obviously there’s the odd divvy Englishman. Neither are acceptable you wouldn’t say it to his face and he’s a all time great English player give it a rest it’s cowardly and pathetic
Some of his tackles are borderline but he's a team player, you'd rather have him in the team than face him.
100% a class issue
Sometimes terrible at media interviews, and as a captain someone should have helped him get better at them. Some of the tackles are shoulder charges. But.... does any of that justify the degree of abuse? No. Not close. Great fucking player.
Farrell is a legend, it is only the non English / anti English. Its not England fans.
He great he don't need listen to them there jealous of him.
1. He got away with illegal tackles for way too long (the RFU even reducing punishments until the international committee steps in).
2. He is absolutely arrogant and has a smug smile.
3. The disrespect shown to the NZ haka in 2019 made people hate his smugness.
4. He constantly back chats the ref.
Class has nothing to do about it, Ford is Northern and from the same background.
It’s bizarre because Owen is such a nice guy. Really dedicated and professional, doting family man, big heart too (hence the kick celebration). Not to mention England’s preffered fly half for the past 11 years. This is not the profile of a “yob” “thug” “rubbish player” etc. The Jonny Wilkinson thing just sums it up too. Look at any post or video that says Owen is England’s highest points scorer and I guarantee the top comments will be “He’s not as good as Jonny” “Jonny got his with less games” “Owen can’t hold a candle to Jonny”. You’ll be scrolling for some time to find a “Congratulations”.
Farrell’s petulance cost England the match against South Africa . The ten metres he gave away when ref marches him back , putting Pollard in range ultimately was the difference .
Sometimes the ‘media’ don’t help either. Take that clown Andy Goode for example on that ‘other show’. Every time, and I mean EVERY time he talks about Owen Farrell or George Ford or Steve Borthwick out comes the faux northern accent and the caricature that they’re all as thick a pig shit and don’t know what they’re doing. Reinforcing an almost racist or xenophobic stereotype. Yeah, I know us northerners aren’t a race or a people, but it has the same feel about it. And he does the same with anyone French as well. I’m sure he’d say ‘it’s just bants’…
I would say the only complaint I would have is that sometimes he's a bad tackler , other than that some player one of the best
If it is because he's from a league background what does that say about union
I don't like Owen, well I didn't. I'm south african and here is my thought, he played like an absolute arse but after the last world cup, 2023, the game after SA, I saw a different guy, actually a dam nice guy how he conducted himself, how he spoke, so yeah, I agree we all need to back off.
He is a great player.
My opinion has changed. A great player. Hope he can come back from this all and be treated better
Just be like me and never listen to or watch mainstream media
As a die hard Scot Owen Farrell is an absolute class player I personally do not understand it
To my mind the Irish guy may have a good point because there is something irregular about the way he is treated.
As a sportsman with a sense of fair play I feel disgusted of the effect this could have on his family.
Sometimes pasion needs to be reined in that's all.
He's a professional athlete and when someone's a professional athlete some people will love you and some people will hate you. He has to be less of a snowflake. He has to become mentally tough. It's time to stop sniveling.
It is cause of his league background. It’s the same thing Sam Burgess got scapegoated for at the WC. Even Robinson had people in the union media against him
I don’t know what it is but it seems certain people don’t like seeing a working class lad from a league background doing well in the code. Doesn’t happen in NZ or Aus though
He’s not your typical Rupert or tarquin playing rugby . Definitely a class issue
Owen Farrell is well respected in SA .
Mate not a chance he is despised in all southern hemisphere countries
Any abuse directed to him is awful, however, the issue is that he shouldn’t be in the team. Ford is a better option and we are a worse team when he plays. Call that out maybe?
Completely disagree. There’s a time and a place for both of them. Ford is brilliant when England have front foot ball and he has time but crumbles when it’s a physical game. He would have been awful today, Farrells game management is second to none and when we’re in a tight tough physical game there is no one I’d rather have. He gives absolutely everything and today showed that
They are not real fans. It's as simple as that. These people are a sandwich short of a picnic.
Bye Bye Farrell junior 😂
He's got broad shoulders.
Spot on Owen his great player and they don't like it because he's from north of England we're not snobby up
George Ford has the same background probably mor league than Farrell!
I love Farrell, think he is a class player. Stop bullying him!
South African here. I can’t stand the guy and that’s cause he plays for England. We’d happily take a guy like that. Only problem he’d have is making the team.
I love England eating their own stuff n this case. Keep up the stupid work fella’s. Perhaps he’ll go off and learn how to tackle on his sabbatical
It's not a class thing. He's a great player that keeps making tackling errors as a leader. Then he doesn't have the same charisma as other captains in front of the media which may come across as off... My analysis as an English fan... Congrats to Faz for his achievement
i get everything said here but i don`t think he is playing in the right position and he needs to tackle correctly, as a forward or rugby league player he might get away with the lack of arms. its not about his commitment its about his "liabilties" giving away penalties in open play sorry but as a former player he would p!ss the hell out of me in a game
The English is bullying Bongi to... Maybe it's a ENGLAND problem
League is tougher than Union and the twickers fans are jealous, this is how they show it.
He is a amazing player
O F is brilliant player he loves his country team and rugby 🏉 from a 🥝supporter of rugby 🏉 union
Says something about certain rugby fans maybe ?
I'm not sure what they missing unless it's just cos they all NH, but it's the infield abuse he gives which is why peeps give it back
He's a good looking guy, a stud athlete and lads are watching their girlfriends wet the couch when he's on camera and they get angry
Fully grown blokes banging on about toxic abuse...FFS grow a pair, get off social media and ignore the twats, thats how its done!
I vehemently dislike Farrell on the field but hes a gent and hes from my area of the UK and it isnt within rugby culture for this attitude.
It is damn awful because noone can doubt he is epic for Sarries and every challenge he faces for his club is annihalated. It is toxic hatred and it is certainly classist and too easy for people who havent picked up boots since school and only reads the Express and the twit feed. It all coagulated around five years ago didnt it, from grumbles to fans thinking there's a unwritten permission to capital H Hate him with prejudice. Maybe a little bit the Sarries machine, a little bit Salary Cap, a little bit of rub-off from Eddie Jones and Dylan Hartleys anti-press captain run, a little bit high tackles (his technique can be frantic and too keen to avoid being run over) and a lot that he doesn't get the highlights, he calls the plays and hands it straight off so people who only watch six nations don't get what he is good at.
Nothing to do with background because half the people having a go have no idea about his past and he gets shite from all over the world and in the southern hemisphere the class issue is the other way around.
Its nothing to do with his background, the combination of Farrell and Ford just isn’t working at the moment and some have decided to make him the scapegoat.
He brought it on himself wanna be a villan sam cane gets red card for shoulder tackle but Owen gets away with it not to worry day lost again to Bokke
AGREE AGREE AGREE!!!!!!
Easy Hask if you give , then you take it too
I have no problem with the guy, but as a team, if we have BETTER kickers.. PLEASE CAN WE PICK THEM *ahem* ford *ahem*
Can I just say one thing, can Owen Farrel tackle with his arms. That’s the only reason he gets abuse because of the amount of times he does it and the amount of times he gets away with it. Nothing more, nothing less. 🤷🏼♂️
Stop doing dangerous tackles then.
Mate not a chance and it has stuff all to do with class what nonsense your press did this to him they have done the same with countless other sportsman , no person can ever live up to standards, placed on the pedestal they put them on he has a problem with his tackling and he is public enemy number 1 stoked by your so called rugby pundits
Yes that's true
Two private schools boys went very quite at the end there
What the F Horgan, stop taking bollox just because you're on an English show.
Owen is not the best No 10, he's 3rd if that.
Faz is frequently Englands best player
Like it or not England are in a forth World Cup semi
James Haskell pretend mma fighter lol
I think some criticism has been over the top but I also think supporters of Farrell have used the very small minority of hate to avoid the issue that Farrell is creating more problems than he’s solving in this current England team. Not to say he can’t put it right but so far it does look like Ford OR Farrell at 10 is the right option as tuilagi/Lawrence & Marchant is working better for us. Also, whoever misses out on the starting 10 position out of Ford or Farrell should be left out the 23 as smith & Lawrence have shown they can be a proper weapon for us off the bench.
I didn’t know
Scotland,, he was immense and that hurts to say 😅
Because he’s northern
I've always thought of Farrell as a class player, in recent times, I still think he's class, but he is a grub when making one on one plays, like tackles. Anyone who hates or trolls any pro Rugby player needs a life. Arguably the nicest, classiest players of any sport.
The look on their faces when he said it’s a class issue tells you everything! Haskell knows it’s true. Rugby is full of snobbery
Not a class issue just a skill issue.
You struggle... Life must be tough... nothing about class... His arrogant smirk is enough... followed by his no arm tackles and having a go at the ref ... Almost as annoying as Willie le Roux
He’s brilliant but you can see the thug in him and that’s not very rugby union.
Haha. What is very "Rugby Union"? Stopping black or brown people play for their country? Singing slave songs at Black players? Only accepting "jolly" good lsds who went to private school.
Rugby Union is seen as completely backwards by many in society and often rightly so. Rugby Union has a shocking history if you actually bothered to look into it.
As a South African, he’s a cheat who never learnt how to tackle and then still milks an injury during and Illegal tackle.
Mmmm at the end of the day, Owen Farrell opened himself up to the "abuse"...not saying it's right to abuse... but come on....what he did ...that was wrong too
As a celt, I'm not sure what those is about, have England fans turned on him?
We don't like him because he's a dirty cheat who targets heads with his shoulder.
This is spot on,Farrell has a poor tackle technique,which i blame his coaches for.
You should turn your attention to the royal poodle.
Its because laws apply differently to him than to others , he tackles like a lunatic and gets of light everytime
Your looking for a football channel Franco!
Boring, unoriginal, incorrect opinion. Move on.
No it's not, he has terrible tackling technique and he has never learnt!
@@fleshen bring something new to the table, tell me something that hasn’t been said by 100 other morons.
truth hurts @@G-regTaylor