Does anyone remember the days, when CinemaSins were actually sinning mistakes in movies? And not just a random arbitrary number for each comment they had, no matter what that comment is? No? Ok then, carry on.
iliya i agree halfway. i feel like if it was a series, they couldve explained the story way better for the new people. but then the graphics would have to be terrible because so much money goes into making it, they would not be able to afford turning it into a show unless it was animated completely and without live acting
Warcraft Fans: :D Non Warcraft Fans : o_o Lord of the Ring Fans : >_> Everyone else : :/ I'm a Warcraft Fan and I enjoyed it. I am well aware others did and did not. Let's hope the sequel will be much better.
+Spider Man Not really. Most of the fans liked it. If you're hating it because of the lore changes then I guess you haven't seen a single book/game based movie before.
@@andrewfalconer8599 Welcome to cinema sins where he explicitly stated that he will view all movies as a standalone. Because a movie should be written in a way that it can be a standalone (except if it's a sequel). Also, half of the stuff is sarcastic anyway, just FYI.
I noticed that people only say Cinema Sins are being "too harsh" for the movies they like but if they're just as harsh towards something that everyone openly makes fun of (like Transformers for example) then nobody has a problem with it. Cinema Sins is harsh with everything, that's why they're called Cinema Sins and their slogan is "no movie is without sin." If you don't like the idea of them making fun of a movie you like then you don't need to waste 16 minutes of your time watching the video.
you can dislike the movie but the thing is you need to have good vaild reasons for hating on it or else people aren't gonna take you serious. Thats the issue that everyone has.
Except, most of the sins in this vid are nonsense. Like "someone saying something nice to their loved one, but THEY CAN'T KNOW THAT FOR SURE, LOL, THAT'S A SIN!". Seriously, why is "your son's gonna be great when he grows up" a sin in this? And there's sooooooooooooooooooooooo much more bullshit undeserved sinning in this... Like all of the copycat arguments. Blatant misunderstandings of the timelines of these IPs and what inspired what.
Sgt.Grinner The thing is, even if some sins are complete nonsense there's no reason to get mad over them because they aren't affecting anything. It's not like after watching the video you're suddenly going to enjoy the movie less, and it's not like this is an actual review from an actual critic that will affect the movie's budget. It's just a sin in a RUclips video that's meant to be taken as a joke.
Accusing something or ripping off Lotr is a bit lazy isn't it? Could say the same about every fantasy genre movie, game and book made in the last century.
I bet i could go through the LoTR scenes with orc camps and such and make side by side comparisons that look almost the same. The lore isnt lazy but the writing for the movie is
Anything with Dwarves, Elves and Orcs are based off Tolkien, no exceptions. Some fantasy Authors actually take the bother to create their own universes. Name of the Wind and Stormlight Archive for example.
Not a big Worldcraft fan at all actually lol, but I kinda agree. The whole rip off thing gotten old pretty fast. Do you know how hard It is to make something today that hasn't been done before? Almost everything imaginable has been done in movies.
I agree, if they were Classic Doctor Who fans they'd be sinning the hell out of Back To The Future for ripping it off (the Flux Copacitor being a part of a time machine?), Stargate (aliens that took over the mind of a human being that fooled the Ancient Egyptians into believing they were gods), The Matrix (a hyper realistic micro universe/virtual reality people in the real world can enter that also stores information which is called "The Matrix"). My point is, aside from the fact that Doctor Who is probably the nerdiest show ever conceived, ideas that have been done before are EVERYWHERE but it depends on how good a spin on it that the filmmakers did. Warcraft, while I thought it was better than most were making out, did not. It kind of has the look and feel of a director passionate about the film he was working on but the studio executives mutated it because "oh WE know what gamers want! Haven't you seen what we've done with video game movies?!"
8:50, the "unnecessary" volcano in the background IS Blackrock Mountain. The reason why it is erupting is because idiot dwarves awakened Ragnaros. Basically, the entire battle is taking place on the Firelord's front yard.
Wrong, it may be Blackrock Mountain, but the event you are reffering to happened CENTURIES AGO. It was after the War of the Three Hammers that Black Iron dwarves brought Ragnaros back into Azeroth by mistake, the volcano erupting here could be for a whole different reason.
The movie is pretty shitty. Some of the actors plainly sound bored or sick of their lines, the CG orc bits are as cringey as watching minecraft animations, and the movie overall does a good bit of assuming you know and care about the world it takes place in
Strife Rixa The movie has bad pacing/editing and actors for the human characters are dull/lack enthusiasm most of the time. The CG for characters + mocap is probably the best you can get nowadays. World+Characters represent almost 100% what you can find in the games other than almost every pathetic video game adaption to date. And just like LOTR the movie assumes that you know the medium its based on. Better luck next time.
Why is everyone comparing this movie to LotR? It's not trying to be LotR and it never did and never will. Having said that. I'm a Warcraft fan since the very first game back in the 90's (Fuck I'm getting old...) and loved it. But I also know people who were never warcraft fans who also liked it. Thing is... They didn't compare it to LotR. Stop comparing it to LotR!
+Wolfbane971 No it's not. It's trying to be a movie based off the games. Just because something is high fantasy doesn't mean it's a LOTR clone. That's just like saying Harry Potter is a LOTR ripoff.
Wolfbane971 No. it is very much not trying to be LotR. YOu are aware that orcs and elves and magic is not something Tolkien was the first to make up right? The Elves are different, the Orcs are very different. The magic and how it works and how powerfull it is is very different. And beyond that, and most importantly. The movie has a very different style to it than the LotR movies have. It's like saying The Longest Day and Saving Private Ryan are trying to be the same thing. Sure, both play in WW2 and D-day is a huge part of both movies. But they are not the same movie and they are not trying to do the same thing. Same here. Sure. Both are set in a fantasy world with elves, orcs and magic. But both are trying to do something very different with that source material. Now don't get me wrong. Warcraft is far from a perfect movie. I agree whole heartedly that it could do a better job of explaining shit. I can understand that people think it feels rushed, it felt so for me as a WC-fan too. And yeah alot is thrown at you and I see it could get overwhelming. I got the details because I know the basic story, and I know the charachters. (The movie being an adaptation of the games storylines.) But I also have friends who never played any of the games. And they still liked it. I also have friends who didn't like it. Both points are fair. Your feelings are your own. Not gonna comment on that. That is up to you and you are free to think on wether or not you liked this movie however you like. But this is such an inane comment you showed. As if anything fantasy these days is ripping off Tolkien or Game of Thrones or both. No. Fantasy is a far bigger things with tropes in it that are far older than any of the stories and movies we know and love this day. Tolkien is not the source material for all things fantasy. Sure. Blizzard took inspiration from him. But they went in a completely different direction with it.
just because it has orcs in it? cause if you change the name of the orcs/elves/dwarves to something else, it's not even remotely close to the lotr storyline.
@@tommerker8063 they still took the dimensions displayed in the books and the game which is awesome focus on details. In the movie too the burning legion is behind the orks invasion so it would make sense to display it like that too
@@DeChimaera it's never shown though and it would be easy to show too, jsut have guldan report to a demon, but no the movie implies that the orcs are independent, therefor the size of the portal does not make sense in context
Okay, okay, look. I usually enjoy CinemaSins -- immensely -- but you're annoying me by comparing ALL fantasy lore to Tolkien lore. Are there tons of similarities in other fantasy universes to the LotR universe? Yes. That doesn't make them blatant ripoffs. Tolkien isn't the God of Fantasy or whatever, so it really irks me seeing people slap the seal of "TOLKIEN RIPOFF" on anything vaguely fantastical. I'm not even a fan of WoW, and this is starting to get borderline degrading. +1 sin for "Fantasy movie is a ripoff of Tolkien" cliche.
He laid the groundwork for future lores. And while many have connections to LOTR, plenty have their own creations that are not really complete rip-offs that CinemaSins would like to believe.
He laid the groundwork for HIS OWN creations later. In "The Silmarillion". And then he told the stories in it with Children of Hurin, The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings. He sure didn't lay that groundwork for shitty fantasy ripoffs like these.
How is this a ripoff, could you tell me? The similarities I see are Orcs vs Humans (Which it doesn't even have clear lines like LotR had, and the freaking orcs are aliens for christ sake.) more or less but not really the architecture. And the medieval setting. That's about it. Following your logic, every war movie is a ripoff from something, every detective movie is a ripoff from something, every firemen movie is a ripoff from something, every cop movie is a ripoff from something etc.
You are so wrong Tolkien might have started the genre but Warcraft is not a rip-off.Actually a rip-off would be e.g: Lord of the ring becomes The ring's lord. You get the point it's just it sounds stupid when someone says "everything which is not the most popular/"original" is a rip-off. Even if I didn't play Warcraft I know that the game ain't a rip-off, it became it's own world of wonders and adventures.
For the first time in my life, I'm actually disliking a Cinemasins video. I love Warcraft as a whole, but I hated the movie. But all the points Jeremy makes are incredibly nit-picky and are basically limited to "This is a Tolkien rip-off" or "I basically know nothing about the Warcraft universe".
personally, i liked the movie, although some details that were to make it clear what they were etc stuck out like a sore thumb to me. But yea, you are right, most of his stuff was either "ripoff of X Y or Z" or "i dont know this stuff so im sinning it"
hahahahaha a) the videos are supposed to be nit-picking and not actual film criticism. Go read David Ehrlich's review if you want to read film criticism on that he summed the movie up pretty accurately. b) They were really nice on that movie. There were a lot of things that were also wrong with that shitfest of a movie c) most of these things aren't really nit-picky. The awful CG, the total lack of proper character and world introduction, the whole movie was "show random things without tell" and it did that repetitively. So why would you call them out for criticizing that?
CinemaSins is about being nit-picky, what the fuck? Besides, if you take this movie at its face value, it's a crock of shit. You shouldn't have to know a shit ton of anything to understand what's going on in the FIRST movie of what's obviously going to be a series. A movie, made for the public, viewed in public theaters, shouldn't be "hey, you better know everything that's already going on, or else you never will, and will be stuck with a pile of shitty CGI, terrible writing direction, no character development (or even substance at all), and a stack of 'why did I expect this movie to be good, again?'". Face it, the movie was fan-pandering on the most basic of levels. It did nothing to be more than a visual representation of what you'd already know, and it did that poorly, at that.
@Vice TOLUCT The point is this isn't a private chat and don't be suprized that a random replies to something you wrote. That's what you did in the beggining by replying to OC wasn't it?
@Vice TOLUCT You are one suprised i responded to you and i explained why you shouldn't be since we are in open forum. Read between the lines for christ's sake i don't have to spoonfeed you everything.
Exactly. Mythological creatures shouldn't have been sinned here. Also Tolkein might have invented orcs but it's not like Warcraft was the only one to use them too.
This film has so much sin potential that it's pretty insulting the video just came down to "Look at me I know nothing about Warcraft, LOTR, or myths/legends". The concepts of ogres and imps (which inspired Tolkein's works) existed long before LOTR did. That, and the Orcs of Warcraft have nothing to do with the Orcs of Tolkein's universe, beyond the fact that they can fight.
Nick 77 “Oh wow, they used mythical and fantastic creatures that also appeared in Tolkien books. tHeY mUsT bE rIpPiNg ToLkIeN oFf!!” That’s how you sound,
These are such obvious LOTR rip offs it’s so funny to hear someone deny it. Like they have discount orcs, discount middle earth, they try to produce the same themes and mood but cut out the actually content that actually makes those things. This is just a bad decision rolled up in an annoying fanboy screaming “this isn’t a rip off”. And don’t say it’s an imitation, like that’s somehow better. It’s not.
When people constantly compare this movie to the LOTR universe and say it's a rip off it reminds me of people who said battlefield was a CoD rip off cause they only care about the most superficial aspects.
You guys seem to forget that Tolkien, who wrote LOTR came up with the whole human, orc, dwarf, elve thing that spawned the generic fantasy trope. CoD didn't invent the concept of military fps, so the comparison is pretty weak.
Daniel Schroedinger Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.... Tolkien only made up the language of the Elves, everything else in LotR is an amalgamation of British and Scandanavian mythlogy, the only thing he did was combine the two together, or in turn, add Wizards and Dragons to Norse mythology.
Well, it got old real fast in the actual movie too. And yeah, no, I don't care that "Ironforge was introduced in WOW" because in WoW they ripped of the LOTR just the same. And it's really tiring and looks lazy.
Yeah but films didn't stop ripping from one another. And I don't think they will ever. Maybe this film is so unoriginal and boring that it's hard to make sins...
You guys are fundamentally stupid. The evolution of EVERYTHING is taking something and making it better/improving upon it/or changing it. If Lord of the Rings was written and then ANYTHING REMOTELY SIMILAR was just scraped there would be no fantasy.
Garona ain't a copycat of Gamora. She's from Warcraft 2, and World of Warcraft: Cataclysm, long before GotG came around. They did not get the "Green woman" idea from Marvel. You may as well accuse Gamora of being a rip-off from one of Captain Kirk's sexual conquests.
Why do people always say "If you don't like his opinion don't watch" or something to that affect. How are you going to know his opinion if you don't watch...
Because the channel basically tell you what they're going to do which is nitpick the movie its like a vegan going to place that has a sign that says they only sell meat than going in and complaining because what they want isn't there
Alice snake bae Fair enough, I suppose. I've never played WOW or know anything about it, but I did see it in the cinema and thought it was OK. I can see how people who are big into the game would have a much stronger opinion on it than most.
It's not about the faults of the movie where there is many, just that he tries so very very hard to nitpick on shit like, to a point is just sounds petty.
I don't get all the hate. Even when I don't agree with their opinion, I still find the videos enjoyable, because I don't take every single thing personally. Sad that people feel insulted and won't watch anymore just because they criticized something they liked. It's not that big a deal.
@@DE-wq8cp This channel was a joke to nitpick bad things about movies. But they eventually decided they were legitimate movie reviewers, but they literally cant notice anything wrong in a filmography point of view.
+vertex546 If you're expected to know Warcraft lore to enjoy the movie, why bother introducting character's relations (you're my sister first, dad, etc)?
The relationships that were "introduced" were actually just characters made for the movie. In the past, novels have fleshed out the Orc side of the story well and there are more than enough characters for them (with even some big-name chieftains only having cameos without a single line); the humans, on the other hand, had only a handful of main characters in Warcraft 1. Lothar's son and sister were either never named or didn't exist, and they even gave King Wrynn a second child (not that she played any part, though).
A movie is supposed to stand on its own. You don't need to read thousands of dc or marvel comic issues to enjoy a movie from those two. The fact that the movie fails to make sense of this world for new people only shows how bad it is. Otherwise, why make a movie if everyone who is going to enjoy it are already avid fans of the series?
Kiwa this movie makes perfect sense without Warcraft knowledge but if you know it then it will be better and have less possible plot holes just like dc and marvel. No one can make that many years of story in one movie and cover everything. Only reason people say the movie has so many holes is because people nowadays aren’t all that intelligent. Everyone gets way to confused unless something is spelled out for them like in marvel movies.(I am in love with the MCU btw but cmon they spoon feed us like we’re retarded to satisfy the dumb “fans.”)
@@massimolanzillo4768 I haven't played any warcraft games and i was lucky to understand 20% of the movie. The characters, locations, political intrigues, the conflict, nothing is explained in the movie itself. We follow 2-3 characters throughout it, but the viewer has no idea what is going on, or why should they care about anything that's happening. Who are the orcs? What are their goals? What is this fel? Why do they want to create this portal? Who is Lothar? Who is Khadgar? What is the guardian? What is that counsil? It's not about picking up some subtle queues, but the fact that the movie makes it impossible for new viewers to understand anything. Also, you calling out this channel out for "not knowing the lore" is proof enough of this. As i said, a movie should speak for itself, and he shouldn't have to learn years of ingame lore to be able to understand it. The fact that he wasn't able to, and that the content was so out of touch with the warcraft community, proves my point.
@@kiwa8830 I agree - for example he sinned the height/size of the portal, but the only reason it's that big is because it's not just for the Orcs but also for the Legion. And later on in the movie Sargaras appears and it turns out HE wanted the portal the whole time. (and he is huge)
No you see, it's a very saddening thing to come to a video, expecting to have a laugh because CinemaSins USED to be good, then be utterly disappointed by his stupidity and ignorance.. So Kildren is very much ON THE NAIL here. He wasn't trying, and saying "then don't watch" is disappointing of YOU, Austin.. Because you can't give what you say a minute of thought and realize how useless of a comment that was.
@@agran4137 Are you sure? As I remember the events of Warcraft3, Mannoroth spilled his blood in a fountain in Ashenvale. Also Balnazzar held the Kingdom of Lordaeron when Sylvanas conquered it from him with the help of Varimathras. I believe both of these events took place in Azeroth.
>Garona is a ripoff Gamora Sure the makers of the movie sinned so hard by not renaming someone who existed in the warcraft lore for decades who also happens to be a greenish humanoid due to being half draenei half orc just because that terrible guardians of galaxy movie was made first.
+Joe Phasey Yes, but the point is that Garona is her own character and it is a cinema sin (see what I did there, haha... I'm sorry, I'll show myself out in just a moment) to simply assume that Garona is a reskinned Gamora. I really feel like the video script writer was so stuck on beating the dead horse of "this is a rip-off of (insert movie/book/character)" that they swept up many things that are just superficially similar. TL;DR Garona is Garona, and Gamora is Gamora.
I know gamora appeared first in ~'75? maybe? But do you think when blizzard created garona in '99 or something they actually went out of their way to copy a not particularly popular character from a not particularly popular comic book series, and she is not green just because she is half orc. Oh and by the way Garona existed for far longer than WoW as well, if you didn't know.
You're seriously dissing on the Guardians of the Galaxy movie? One of the most successful, likable and well-made comic book movies in recent history with almost universal acclaim? While simultaneously standing up for this boring piece of shit?
15:13 Add 100 sins for the movie not following the lore of the game at all. Garona killed the king of Stormwind in his throne room while under the control of a Ogre sorcerer. The king never made this dumb speech to Garona.
i think this one was rather salty. 2) tolkein doesn't get a monopoly on "big ugly green humanoid known as an orc" 3) narrator said "but there was a time", not that he remembered that time. 7) women are able to predict the sex of their child with ~80% accuracy, likely due to the hormone imbalances as the baby develops 8) clan naming was an "ermagerd it's just like the games" moment for me. 9) how is that anything like john carter? 10) A E S T H E T I C this is beyond nit picking, clearly someone at CinemaSins has never heard of the Warcraft game franchise before.
What if they didn't? The movie needs to stand as a movie first than anything. Besides, Warcraft is hugly based on LOTR and D&D, from it's species to it's naming convetions. By making a movie out of it, they are just making a poorman's LOTR, which this movie is. And this comes from someone who enjoyed the movie. Also, shouting aesthetics is meaningless. You can excuse anything with that vague argument.
Mitchell Anthony it's comedy. It's nit picking. It's taken from the view of an average movie goer sitting in the theater that knows nothing about the history. Welcome to cinemasins
***** nothing is necessarily untrue. Look at your movie from the eyes of the average movie goer that has no experience or knowledge of the lore. It's a movie with a lot of stuff about stuff that isn't explained, so it looks like a generic fantasy ripoff. These are all legit. Hell, he sins the 20th Century Fox logo at the beginning of Alien for the poor sound quality before one of the greatest sci fi horror movies of all time, then removes 5 sins for it being one of the greatest sci fi horror movies of all time. It's arbitrary. It's satire. Stop taking it seriously.
Mitchell Anthony agreed,they're giving the movie shit for sake of giving it shit. I mean for fucks sake they're bitching about how movie has a lot of characters with weird names..because you know no other fantasy or sci-fi movie or game has ever done that before.
I hate to be that Warcraft fan who will defend this movie to the death but the Hobbit/Lord of the Ring orcs couldn't be farther apart from the Warcraft ones. The orcs in Tolkien's universe are just all evil generic bad guy type people. The orcs in Warcraft have personality, character, honor, and a sense of what is right and wrong. (Some of them at least)
***** That's not correct. The orcs in LotR could never be good because the whole reason they exist is due the fact that they were corruptions of Morgoth (possibly corrupted elves). If you look at the Silmarillion, they were servants of Morgoth before they became servants of Sauron, so they actually never coexisted peacefully with humans or elves.
***** Yes, I'm aware that when there no one to control them, they might have little interest in battle. However, the problem is that even when neither Morgoth or Sauron is in control, orcs in the LotR universe are still under the influence of Morgoth's corruption, whether or not they are directly in control. Just like Sauron was present in the ring, Morgoth was present in everything that he corrupted, even after he was defeated and was no longer present in Middle Earth. So, while humans, elves and dwarves etc, could be either good or bad in Tolkien's world, the orcs can't really be good. I heard that Tolkien toyed with the idea that they could be redeemed but decided that that would take something extremely drastic and it never made it into any of his writings.
+Vigilante Entertainment, Be careful, there has been no news of any sequels as of yet. It's still quite possible that they'll cancel any plans for one.
10:41 to be fair, Orgrim Doomhammer becomes warchief of the Horde in the main timeline. He ends up challenging Blackhand to Mak'gora and kicks his ass. Taking the mantle of warchief.
@Hunter Coleman It's not directly stated in any of the games. But the canon lore says Doomhammer challenged Blackhand to Mak'gora. His reasons were because when Gul'dan opened the dark portal with all his sacrifices, Durotanspoke out against it. And as a result. Gul'dan had the frostwolves banished from the Horde. Later on, Durotan told Orgrim about his suspicions but on his way back, Gul'dan had assassins murder Durotan and Draka. And hearing this, Orgrim knew he had to act.
The orcs gave Lothar a chance to fight for his ife because they have honor, Gul'dan doesn't Thry don't fight Gul'dan because they are scared of his dark powers
Why do people bash this movie so hard? It wasn't that bad, it was quite good, actually... people complain about Hollywood not having enough original ideas, and when something different comes up, they shit on it. Something's fishy here...
As a fan of the Warcraft franchise, it was an okay video game based movie. To anyone not familiar with the source material, yeah, its going to seem really awkward and confusing, and a big ripoff of other franchises.
What's original about an adaptation of a 22 year old videogame that was original an adaptation of the Warhammer tabletop game that they changed slightly when they lost the licence?
What about it did you absolutely love though? Was it the script? The settings? The actors? The action? In 5 years do you think you will still absolutely love it?
I'll never understand why someone needs to interrogate someone over an opinion. Jeez someone can like something without having to be hypercritcal of everything.
i know i'm late in saying this, and as much as i really enjoyed this movie, the problem with this movie is it expected people to have played the game and understood the lore without needing to go into too much detail within the film. the director was a major fan of the game and more or less the film is pretty good at telling the story of how the orcs invaded azeroth because of gul'dan and his training in the ways of a warlock by kil'jaeden. the problem is the movie expects you to already know this and expects you to already know they invaded azeroth from draenor. its literally a movie designed for people who have played the game and not for anyone else which is why the majority of people who watched it and didnt play the game had no clue. also it doesnt help that a lot of what goes on takes place long before where the game was at that time. in 2016 the legion expansion had come out so all the story that involved gul'dan would be something new players wouldnt know unless they read the lore. most of the story about gul'dan actually comes from before world of warcraft during the events of warcraft 2.
Yeah, it was 100% a film for fans of the franchise, rather than a film produced on its own merit. I don't think that's necessarily a *bad* thing (especially if you've got a fanbase as large as Warcraft's), but it's definitely worth noting and certainly affected how the film was received by non-fans.
@@propheinx2250 well i mean, any company will go to what makes them money. if something is making them more money they are going to spend more time on that so they can make more money . there are dozens of games that have done this. advent rising was an amazing game produced by majestico entertainment but they decided to go with other games that were making them more money rather than create the sequel they cliffhanged for us at the end of advent rising 1.
Actually Guldan was covered WLoD. The 2016 Legions was the second one as the 1st version came out around 2003 or 4. Played from vanilla to WLoD when wife's health needs became more important.
I dont know anything about wow. And I still under stand why the orc and gul'dan attcke. The movie explained it. Without having the viewers look up the lore.
Vince These videos have been petty for a while now. It became REALLY evident with X-Men: Apocalypse. I don't even know why I watched this video after how much the X-Men one annoyed me 😁
He isn't familiar with the franchise, and mistakenly stated that it ripped off of many other movies, which was annoying after awhile. He also asked questions that could be explained with a little bit of logical thought. I still enjoyed the video though.
6:14 I'm not sure when Gamora was introduced in the comics, but Garona was a character in Warcraft long-before Movie-Gamora (Who, for the record, is a VASTLY different character from Comicbook-Gamora. Or at least 'classic' Comic-Gamora back when the Warcraft games were being made). Point I'm trying to make is that these two characters have a long enough history and have had enough changes made to both of their characters that any form of comparison is virtually meaningless. It's basically the same thing as comparing Commander Shepard to Master Chief because their both space-marines.
Gamora was first introduced in 1975. She was made to be the universe's greatest assassin. She was also an orphan. Garona Hellscream was an orphan and the first know character in a video game franchise to be the product of rape. Her lore is invaluable to those of us who have dealt with SA and love this game.
0:33 That's actually a good point. The movie did not reveal how long they were fighting an enemy they did not know. This was supposed to take place in the period of the First War, where humans and orcs met each other in war for the first time, so it's not like the humans would know what the orcs are firsthand before the latter arrived in Azeroth.
He says "there was a time when we didn't know who our enemy was". He is referring to the burning legion. Who came to the orc shaman leaders as spiritual guides back in their planet draenor. And manipulated them to invade the human world azeroth.
EVeljko yeah i thought it was really good as well, i remember when i went to see the movie with my older brother, he fell asleep halfway through the movie! i dont get it!
6:15 Garona has been part of Warcraft lore since Warcraft 1 (1994). And the only thing she has in common with Gamora is that they're both green and their names are kinda-almost-a bit similar. It's not a copycat if the character was invented 20 years before the movie it's supposedly copying. Also, this movie doesn't make any sense, unless you are already at least somewhat familiar with the Warcraft setting.
greenish-skinned bad guy's loyal skinny assasin going rogue that assasin being the one who specializes in using blades in combat that assasin belonging to a race the bad guy wiped out also having basically the same names Ya know that Gamora's been a part of Marvel since, like, 1975? (UPD: Alright, I fucked up. Not a Marvel fan and never was. But still - the Warcraft movie came out _after_ Guardians of the Galaxy did(which introduced this "new" Gamora)) Ya know that originally Garona _was_ whole-heartedly loyal to Gul'Dan? Yeah...totally not ripped off.
@@The-jy3yq I'm not saying it's not possible that, in the making of the Warcraft movie they "took inspiration" from the Marvel character. I'm not a mind reader, I don't know what they were thinking. All I said, that the character concept of Garona from Warcraft 1 was not a rip-off and existed as an established character long before the Guardians movie. CinemaSins was specifically pointing out the similarity in their names - calling her a "Discount Gamora" despite the fact that she as a character (and her name) predates the Guardians movie.
The sad part is, even if you are a fan of the game and lore like me , this movie is still not for you; CGI is trash the story is NOT the same as warcraft at all(many character changes and story changes that were huge changes and it literally ruined me every wanting to watch it.gorona was mind controlled by chog'all and she is half orc half dreanie and she was magically aged, she also fell in love with medivh not lothar and yes this matters..the story was not even close to cannon and this movie being done by anyone but blizzard themselves was a dumb idea and a shit stain on the brand.
iggy the alien cgi is terrible acting is half assed plot is terrible and so is pacing dialogue is choppy is what is wrong with this movie not to mention the straight up rip off of scenes and music from other movies
Not because it is a complete rip-off, poorly acted, has butt-ugly cgi(not because they are orcs, but because everything looks fake as shit), dull action, boring dialogue, A bibles-worth of exposition and is just all around a boring forgettable movie, no it is because it isn't Lord of The Rings. Yeah...that's it.
"THE CGI IS FAKE N SHIT" In comparison to literally everything else, to the best of my knowledge, this is the best-looking CGI we have had so far. Maybe in 5, 10, 20 years it will look shit but right now it's one of the best so if this is a reason against this movie, you have to hold it against every single movie that has an element of CGI.
Nah, everything that he complains about is well established in the games. Maybe there was some inspiration from tolkien, etc., but as a fan of both LoTR and Warcraft I can tell you that they're very different.
Sean Bragg I know that, but this movie is getting a lot of flack even though it's a genuinely enjoyable movie. Most people who know fuck-all about Warcraft really enjoyed it a lot. And the people that actually do know Warcraft know what the lore is, and how closely this movie follows it. So it's kinda bs it's getting so much hate.
Sadly yes. Unfortunately that means it isn't bad enough to to be hilarious, so it's just bad. Unless you're a fan of the games, in which case apparently it's actually pretty decent.
Ok as much as I am a bit annoyed at his "this stole from Lord of the Rings" (and I'm not a fan of wow) Tolkien took everything from Mythology. You got to admit he's right on number 101 10:24
Tolkien actually invented a lot. Much of the characters in LoTR are named after real myths, but they don't actually resemble those myths. Could the elves or orcs in LoTR really be said to resemble elves and orcs of folklore? Not really. He also pretty much pioneered the entire fantasy genre. Before him, hard as it is to believe, people just didn't write stories set in their own fictional world. They would be set in a version of our own reality.
JediSpectre117 Tolkien didn't take much from Norse mythology, mainly he took names that had nothing to do with his creations. For example he took the Norse name Orcus which was a evil vampire thing and used that name for orcs even though the two have little In common.
After the umpteenth "Tolkien did it" joke I feel compelled to say something. Tolkien does not deserve so much credit for concepts that were dreamed up thousands of years before his birth. Just because someone does a decent job repackaging Norse mythology does not mean he gets credit for Orcs and Dwarves for all time.
Also, sinning Warcraft for pop culture referencing like "boomstick" and calling it an LOTR ripoff is a bit like sinning Spaceballs for being a Star Wars ripoff.
actually, the "boomstick" was in reference to "Army of Darkness" (1992) so a year after warcraft came out, but i would conceed that yes, it was a bit ripped off. although it felt more like an oversized flintlock pistol than a true "boomstick"
Vierynbryn I know. That's why I said, "pop culture and..." but it was a bit smushed together and not all that clear what I meant. After all Spaceballs did the same thing: Star Wars was the main spoof but other pop culture references show up as well. I was under the impression that it was a double reference. The super reference was AoD, of course, but the movie was referencing a spoof that was referencing AoD in the Dwarf newbie area in WoW.
"Decent job repackaging norse mythology" is a gross underplaying of Tolkiens work, he is the father of modern fantasy, so much so that most of his writings are straight fantasy cliques, which is why warcraft has a lot of similarities, it goes with the genre
basic earth geography can be safely assumed of an audience. azerothian geography: not so much. also as a long-time wow player: i have no idea what the azerothian races measure distance in. for me it's minutes flying the shortest routes, but...
@@RebrandYourselfFor He sure as hell hurt mine, I watch a lot on this channel and agree with majority of points, but this review made my blood boil, guy didn't bother to look at it from directors perspective, which is "I play the game, I love the game, I will make a movie about the game for people that love and play the game" It was never meant for people who have no clue about warcraft universe
@@rockyhorrorfreakshow5091 You'd only have to play warcraft 3 and watch LotR for 15 minutes each to know that Tolkien's orcs and warcraft orcs are nothing alike. In fact you could spend 5 seconds comparing a picture of a warcraft orc to any interpretation of a LotR orc and immediately see a difference.
The movie is based on the game ofcourse their are plenty of characters you don't know and yes their are alot of oversized things, magic, weird creatures.... because its a fantasy movie based on a fantasy MMORPG that was published way before alot of things you listed, like Harry Potter.
Wow came out 2004. Harry Potter was published in 1997. You're either referring to the rts games and don't know what a rts is or you have only heard of their release dates and thought that wow started it all.
@@dardelius9648 "wow" was created from the franchise games of (warcraft) 1994 (humans and orcs) (rain of chaos) and (frozen throne) so most of the stuff which he said was a rip off was already established in warcraft before harry potter or any other movie he compared it too...
@Jake Koterba Dardelius and Hendri Nel are referring to the fact that the OP obviously thinks that the movie is "based on a fantasy MMORPG which was published way before (...) Harry Potter" - thus he either thinks that Warcraft is an MMORPG (which it isn't - World of Warcraft/WoW is the MMORPG, Warcraft is an RTS!), or that WoW was released before Harry Potter (which is just as false). This kind of makes the OP look like he might not even know anything about the actual games and is just repeating stuff he's heard/read somewhere else.
@@RevansMinion Like waaaaay back, in their first videos, thats why mosy of them are ~4-6 minutes long. They increased the length for the algorithm and needed stuff to fill the video. but hey, if it works for them, im good with it
So please read all before replying. 1) A movie should stand on its own, even when based on a game. I feel this one did alright in the aspect, pacing did feel odd. 2) In the fantasy genre, there will always be dwarves, elves, evil guy/orcs. I don't consider it "ripping off" or whatever because its fantasy. 3) Magic can be a deus ex machina, I'll admit it. 'Because magic' is a pretty meh way of making things happen for plot. I'll give you that. 4) I am a fan of WoW, not really up on the lore, I have played on and off since it first came out. I love it, no matter how meh, bad, or god awful it might get I will still love it. I acknowledge my bias, and yet can agree there are some issues with this movie. Personally I feel we should have gotten a mini series about all of what was in this movie. One about the humans, then the orcs, then these guys duking it out. Then bankrolled the fans by doing a special all in one event at movie theaters. 5) I really feel like the narrator could have done better. We have all watched vids with him when he makes great intelligent sins that are most times funny, or giggle worthy. When he gets this kind of annoyed with a movie it usually an annoying movie that people laugh at for the same reasons he tears it to shreds. Those previously stated videos are why we love CinemaSins! This didn't seem like the best they could have done if this was the best they could have done I wish they wouldn't have done it at all. Now that I look at the book I wrote I thank you for actually reading the entire thing. Holy crap, you deserve a cookie. Btw, edited because I added a race of creatures that's actually not in this movie.
Keith. That's a good point. That's another issue with the movie. Is it for fans or to get people introduced to story? Again, I love WoW. I liked the movie. I just felt like it tried to do too much, and that took away from the finished product.
To be fair to Warcraft, The Lord of the Ring is one of the most influential books out there. You can't really blame them for using similar ideas. It's just how LotR has influenced the fantasy genre.
Its funny that Warcraft takes quite alot from Warhammer, which started as a D&D semi-clone, which was mostly lifted from Tolkien So this is, in a way, 4 generations removed from the actual LotR and its STILL very similar, shows how strong LotR affected the genre
The reality is that all fantasy fiction- in literature, video games, films and comics are going to be compared to The Lord Of The Rings. It's inevitable. Like you said, LOTR is one of the most influential books out there. LOTR is the high water benchmark for for all High Fantasy. It's like how if you make a Flying Brick-type Super Hero with a cape, he'll get compared to Superman as the benchmark and high water mark for Super Heroes. That's just how it is. Of course Warcraft( like Dungeons & Dragons and Warhammer) was influenced by LOTR but it's also very much it's own individual thing that stands on it's own and it's not at all a rip-off of LOTR.
Sin 10 : Sargeras used Orcs to kill all draenei , and atack on Azeroth at the same time . Dreanei was easiest live form to use. Sin 12 : Yes , it was space travel. Sin 13 : He took Draka with him , because they wanted to fond safe home for Thrall. Sin 53 : She is Gul'dans spy. Sin 76 : Black Rock is name of that volcano , so it is not mountain. Sin 100 : That music is playing in some orc camp . I cant remember where , I think its in Durotan. Sin 111 : Because Fel existed way earlier , than Azeroth invasion. Medhivs mother fought againts avatar of Sargeras. She defeat him , but she and her unborn son Medhiv was infected by Sargeras . Sargeras manipulate Orcs thanks to Gul'dan , so when the Orcs drink bood of pit lord Mannoroth , they was under control of Burning legion. This was later broken , when Grommash and Thrall ( that baby Orc ) killed Mannoroth. Basicly , Medhiv was under control of Sargeras , and he open portal for Horde. Sin 116 : Polymorph , one of famous mage abillities.
You know, only a few devoted fans of the Warcraft games around the world and the biggest MMORPG up to date by one of the most beloved gaming companies ever.
It's actually a storm crow. If you need proof, do the quest "A Falling Star" in Legion where Khadgar explains he prefers the Greatstaff of the Guardians 'Stormcrow' form
This movie was open to the public to watch, I believe. And for people who don't care enough to check the lore and stuff, obviously they wouldn't like it. Hey, WoW fans liked it. Cool. Wait, people who don't play it don't like it? HOW DARE THEY?! HOW DARE THEY DISLIKE A MOVIE THAT WAS RELEASED FOR EVERYONE TO WATCH?!
I hardly enjoyed most of the shit they got wrong, either that or half the stuff was retconned like the fact Garona wasn't around during the fight with medivah (oh that Medivah fight, you know they ahd so much to work with, mages in WOW can do so much shit and Medivah is fucking Yoda AND Starkiller of mages, they could have done so much with that scene instead they just fuck with him by dropping that thing on his head... it was honestly worth 50 sins in and of itself how bullshit that fight was. and Garona, damn they could have done so much more with her
The portrayal of Garona is probably the worst part of the movie. How much better would it have been if Gul'dan had actually been allowed to use the spell on her and make her kill the king rather than her doing it of her own free will. The fact that she couldn't stop herself and that the king might have lived is the saddest part of her storyline. Instead, they have him sacrifice himself and her killing him with his acceptance, which just makes it a sad cliché
When the king is telling garona to kill him and bring peace between orcs and humans, and you ask "how is that supposed to work?", YOU LITERALLY CUT OUT THE SCENE THAT EXPLAINS WHY THIS WORKS
This one seemed aggressively forced. I couldn't go past sin ten simply because all of them were bad, unlike usual cinema sins which usually have a good point. I guess the script writers for this one don't know about Warcraft RTS series and the World of Warcraft Universe? Clearly, most of these are nods to those fans who've seen a bunch of this in-game :)
they don´t need to know everything about warcraft.. warcraft is 100% other sources. thats like needing to know about the shanerra chronlicles to criticise them.
Then* (No, seriously, that annoys me). And, my point is not about the RTS. My point is regarding the fact that the "sins" actually have a reason that either the video creators didn't know or knew but chose to ignore. By the way, more than 5 million players currently would like to disagree, and over 30 million players in the RTS history would like to disagree as well. Clearly someone cared to put it to the top ^_^ Cheers, and do some research! It helps! Trust me! =D
Ribby She freely admits that she wishes she had invented the hippogriff. But I think he was going more for a similarity with the Buckbeak design used in _Prisoner of Azkaban._ Alternatively and more likely, he was just being a dick because that's what he does.
12:11 Medivh was possessed by Sargeras, basically a demon god, from before his birth. There's too much lore to cover for these movies to explain EVERYTHING to newcomers, seems like they leaned more toward making the movie for Warcraft fans, so you probably wont get every little thing explained. Which I think is great, I love having a massive budget movie targeted at me instead of as many people as possible.
@@tommerker8063 is easy. the timeline is actually before the 1st game. hell even the 1st and 2nd game didn't explain what was really going on ether. so the movie has better explanation than the 1st 2 games. while the 3rd game actually connects with the movie. almost like the 1st and 2nd game didn't happened. but at lest you know the creatures that the orcs used to be allies with and the humans used to be allies with a few different elfs mostly. even if I haven't played the games or even heard of it. the only idea I pick up from the movie is. the orcs are trying to find a new home. but there new leader demon orc or just fel orc is just moving world to world to gain power rather give them what they truly want. but the green orcs are just to blind to realized why they never had a new home up untell almost the end of the movie. BOOM! that's all you need to know.
@@rickydiscord7671 wich is not what happens in the games at all. s i said you need a doctorate in warcraft lore to understand it. here is what the movie doesn't tell you. the orcs are not on the search for a new homeworld, infact the orcs are controlled by ghuldan because he is controlled by demons and they are there to wage war and claim the world of azeroth for the demons (wich are not in the movie by the way, yet apparently still exist and are the cause for the plot of the movie)
@@tommerker8063 but here's I don't get and I think the makers didn't thought about at the time. we all know green orcs are not normal orcs and the red or red/pink are normal orcs. at sometime I think ether 2 or 3. the 3rd game when they were infect by demon blood they turned red. but later they said the red orcs were the normal ones. "what?" what's the point on lore when they can't make up there minds on how each creature works and when everything gone down hill. for god sakes they have time travel at some point. only add time travel if it's important. not a random reason to keep the series going. the movie was just a example on how little sense to anyone rather you know the series or not. not just the movie ether like I have pointed out.
7:12 I could understand that Cinema sins didn’t see the feathers on Medivh’s coat, or Didn’t know that Medivh canonically turns into a raven, but come on there was very clearly a raven call in that scene
it's because the movie explains jack shit, it also retcons a lot without taking the retcon into account. like the burning legion build the portal in the games so it kinda makes sense that it's so big, but in the movie the orcs build the portal for orcs since there is no burning legion in the movie but the portal is still big.
To be fair, this movie only made sense if you knew the lore already. If you didn't, this movie is full of random bullshit. Can't really blame them for not liking it. I personally enjoyed it but I've been a Warcraft fan for a long time (just not WoW).
Wrong. Actualy i brought many people who never played Warcraft or knew the lore to the movie and they still understood it easily. most of it is common sense.
+6ullsh17K1n9 The movie is absolute trash for anyone that doesn't know the lore. Complete cliché garbage. Noone who cares about a good story would go play the game after it, most people would run in the other direction
+6ullsh17kn9 Exactly. The most WoW anything I've done is read 1 wiki page when I was curious about a character. Most of the stuff just makes sense if you think ahead.
They didn't steal as much as you think. A number of things in the movie are direct references to the games it's based on. Also, LOTR has so diffused into the general culture that it wouldn't necessarily be directly stealing from it by now. Just drawing off of general pop culture.
I think the argument might be that it's not practical to have a map on the ceiling rather than one on a parchment that you can read. I think you're right though that there's nothing wrong with having a map on the ceiling purely for art purposes rather than practical use. I guess what CinemaSins doesn't realise is that that was actually a map of the known world in WoW (that they knew at the time, they didn't know that the western continent of Kalimdor existed yet). So, it's kind of like having the map of the world, Sistine Chapel style, on the ceiling for artsy purposes.
+KappaKiller108 Do you carry a practical map of the whole world to use? A map of the whole world showing all the continents is pretty useless if you simply want a map to help you get where you need to go.
Jono98806 if I was a king/leader. and I was going to have an enemy combatant explain to me where they came from, yes, I'd probably have a map delivered from somewhere in my vast kingdom.
The 3 most obvious sins I saw in this movie: -On his first scene, Khadgar presents himself as "Guardian's Apprentice" (which is true in the original story) but later on the movie he shows no knowledge about Medivh, Karazhan, or anything barely related to the Guardian. Looks like they wanted to make him look more of a detective than the student he should've been. -Blackhand is the "leader of the Horde" in both movie and original story, but still clearly states he is "obeying orders" from Guldan, and acts like his lapdog. -When Medivh first teleported into the throne room, every guard points weapons at him until the king dismisses them. That despites the fact there is a f***huge heroic statue of Medivh in the middle of the city, which you can see later on the movie. At the moment, he is even wearing the same clothes!!! And wielding the same staff!!! Are they expecting me to believe they hadn't recognized him?? The face you see every morning when you open your window?
well it could be a trick, as a guard it would be best to be wary at first, if they blindly attacked then yes that would be dumb, but taking position around a sudden appearance and readying your weapons is just basic military tactics
4:38 - I see Ben Foster mashed the worst parts from his character in "The Punisher" and Will Smith's character in "After Earth" and the director said "Brilliant!"
Alfa Q Hard He's going through a lot of personal stuff right now. He's been talking on Twitter about how his cat had a tumor and is practically dying, so he's got things to deal with. I'm just happy he put a video out. So, don't put him down too much, I'm sure you just didn't know.
+Great Guy no it's a bit of comedy, that wasn't funny because they didn't really point out the real flaws in it instead they just seemed to say what they didn't like about the movie.
Ikr. I love the Warcraft universe and the movie wasn't that bad. The main issue is that they tried to fit way too much into it for them to explain it all to newcomers. A sequel might help but honestly I would have preferred a series or setting instead.
@@luckybastrd618 I would have loved WC3 Arthas story as setting for the movie. But also enough story to make a movie trilogy out of that instead of a single movie.
@@bovverification yeah arthas could be the biggest success for a game based movie i wish they would skip over to arthas and just put the previous events(events in warcraft 2) in a 5 minutes or 10 minutes summary this way they could save money on effects cuz you know fantasy drawing style like those in the lord of the rings
Lol the entire video is point after point showing he has no idea about the source material for the movie. Like saying "hey game of thrones, what's with all these sword, just use guns you idiots hur hur hur"
It doesn't matte about the source material at all, it has everything to do with the actual movie. If the movie doesn't make sense to regular people they failed at story telling
The books do not matter. Same deal here. If it can't be explained from something in the movie, it's a sin of the movie. CinemaSins, not SourceMaterialSins.
Lol the entire comment is point after point showing he has no idea about cinemasins and what those guys are doing. It's basically just crying about "DON'T MAKE FUN OF A OBJECTIVELY BAD MOVIE THAT IS BASED UPON A GAME I LIKE TO PLAY!!!!!!!!"
heh, funny, most of the sins you list off are mostly offshoots of inconsistencies between the movie and cannon lore, but the things that bugged me most as a fan of the series dont come up. SPOILERS AHEAD For example, Dalaran is not floating until Well after the 3rd War(Undead Scourge). The war this movie depicts is the 1st war. Medivh was previously possessed by Sargeras, the leader of the Burning Legion(demon army of HOLY CRAP RUN) Alodi was male, not female(according to the only visual depiction of him as the first guardian. Also, kirin tor existed when Alodi was around.) Garona had a pair of daggers, not one. and she killed the human king in Stormwind, not in the middle of a war zone. THATS what sparked the brutal war we all know in game. She picked him off in his own keep, not being instructed to in the middle of a losing battle. Orgrim was actually part of the Blackrock Clan, not Frostwolves. Aditionally, He was the second in command to Blackhand, their chieftain. The draenei drained at the start were by the command of Kil'jaeden, "The Deciever" who originally gave Gul'dan his abilities. The portal was largely self-sustaining once the framework was up. They combined Kargath Bladefist(Shattered Hand) with Blackhand(Blackrock) into one character. Bladefist lost his right hand in combat. blackhand still had both of his until he was defeated by Doomhammer in combat for leadership of the horde while gul'dan was unconsious because magic stuff happens. Holy crap, and this is when i look back and realize i wrote half an essay
They aren't mistakes. io9.gizmodo.com/director-duncan-jones-answers-all-your-burning-question-1781663557 It isn't unusual at all for things to have differences in say, book/comic book vs movie/ tv show. TWD and GoT, for example. Don't know why people would expect that to be different for a game.
lmillam1971 im not saying they werent intentional, but im saying, as a fan of the series and lore, i CONSIDER them to be a sin. im not saying i didnt like the movie, but i didnt like how they fiddled with lore, even if it was in some cases so more players recognized it, as was the case with dalaran
If youre a lore fan: Dont watch the movie. Its utter garbage in every single lore aspect. Watch it from a neutral pov: Fineish movie. Nothing splendid aside from the effects but nothing utterly shit either.
Despite what the blind Warcraft Stans have to say in the comments, it really is clear that this movie is utter dogshit, and I'm glad they will never be making another one like this. It would be great to see a proper Warcraft movie or series that is more true to the source material, with a proper plot, actually talented writers, CGI that isn't complete trash or, even better - a completely animated picture just like WoW's shorts, better pacing, more original music, less campy sound effects and better sound design for battle and character voices that don't make your ears bleed, character designs that aren't butchered to look like freakish caricatures of themselves like Grom Hellscream, Blackhand, Medivh, Khadgar, and every single female orc. This movie was a disgrace to the original creators of the Warcraft lore, the talented actors who put on a fantastic display despite the flaming trash-heap of a movie they were forced to act in, and an insult to anyone familiar with Warcraft's potential though their animation department and the incredible original plot of the first war before these hacks absolutely maimed it. Be forgotten forever, you sorry excuse for a movie.
Does anyone remember the days, when CinemaSins were actually sinning mistakes in movies? And not just a random arbitrary number for each comment they had, no matter what that comment is? No? Ok then, carry on.
Pepperidge farm remembers
Who cares? It's freakin entertaining...
Yeah, I remember those times. In fact, one of those times is right now!
CinemaSins jumped the shark when they gave Mickey a reach around for TFA.
eh... less and less lately.
Biggest mistake of Warcraft Movie? Warcraft being a movie instead of a series! That is like making game of thrones 1 movie. It doesn't work...
iliya i agree halfway. i feel like if it was a series, they couldve explained the story way better for the new people. but then the graphics would have to be terrible because so much money goes into making it, they would not be able to afford turning it into a show unless it was animated completely and without live acting
hmm Guess they could do something like Star Wars did. Have movies but also have animated series as follow ups?
that would be baller. I loved the Star Wars animated series. they should forget about this movie and just make that and hold to the lore.
Tia D yes I was lost. I heard that is was from a game. I feel like everything was crammed together and I still have questions.
iliya
Also the movie was not able to decide if it wanted if it wanted to go for a cartoony or a relistic design, so it went for both.
Warcraft Fans: :D
Non Warcraft Fans : o_o
Lord of the Ring Fans : >_>
Everyone else : :/
I'm a Warcraft Fan and I enjoyed it. I am well aware others did and did not. Let's hope the sequel will be much better.
What's the difference between "Non Warcraft Fans" and "Everyone else" ?
Spider Man nah I enjoyed it
+Spider Man Not really. Most of the fans liked it. If you're hating it because of the lore changes then I guess you haven't seen a single book/game based movie before.
Skoll Shorties Uh no. Warcraft fan here and this movie is awful.
Invincible Nightmare
I think he mean by "none-fan"
Haters
The portal is big for doom guard, Nether Drakes and other demons to get access... it’s standard size for the legion
Huh. I didn't know this. Thanks for teaching me!
The narrator didn’t bother to do any actual research. All he had to do was look up the Burning Legion and half of his “sins” would disappear.
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The movie should explain that though. You can't expect regular viewers to do any research while sitting in a cinema
@@andrewfalconer8599 Welcome to cinema sins where he explicitly stated that he will view all movies as a standalone. Because a movie should be written in a way that it can be a standalone (except if it's a sequel).
Also, half of the stuff is sarcastic anyway, just FYI.
Andrew Falconer it doesn’t matter either way. You know why? because cinemasins is a fucking TROLL CHANNEL
I noticed that people only say Cinema Sins are being "too harsh" for the movies they like but if they're just as harsh towards something that everyone openly makes fun of (like Transformers for example) then nobody has a problem with it. Cinema Sins is harsh with everything, that's why they're called Cinema Sins and their slogan is "no movie is without sin." If you don't like the idea of them making fun of a movie you like then you don't need to waste 16 minutes of your time watching the video.
but... I LIKE THAT MOVIE! AND SINCE I LIKE IT IS GOOD AND NO ONE CAN DISLIKE IT! Q___Q
ProgPro96 holy shit that was exactly what I was thinking when I was reading these brain dead comments.
you can dislike the movie but the thing is you need to have good vaild reasons for hating on it or else people aren't gonna take you serious. Thats the issue that everyone has.
Except, most of the sins in this vid are nonsense. Like "someone saying something nice to their loved one, but THEY CAN'T KNOW THAT FOR SURE, LOL, THAT'S A SIN!". Seriously, why is "your son's gonna be great when he grows up" a sin in this? And there's sooooooooooooooooooooooo much more bullshit undeserved sinning in this...
Like all of the copycat arguments. Blatant misunderstandings of the timelines of these IPs and what inspired what.
Sgt.Grinner The thing is, even if some sins are complete nonsense there's no reason to get mad over them because they aren't affecting anything. It's not like after watching the video you're suddenly going to enjoy the movie less, and it's not like this is an actual review from an actual critic that will affect the movie's budget. It's just a sin in a RUclips video that's meant to be taken as a joke.
Accusing something or ripping off Lotr is a bit lazy isn't it? Could say the same about every fantasy genre movie, game and book made in the last century.
Kind of the entire point.
I bet i could go through the LoTR scenes with orc camps and such and make side by side comparisons that look almost the same. The lore isnt lazy but the writing for the movie is
Anything with Dwarves, Elves and Orcs are based off Tolkien, no exceptions.
Some fantasy Authors actually take the bother to create their own universes. Name of the Wind and Stormlight Archive for example.
Matthew Young correct me if I am wrong warcraft came before lord of the rings?
Matthew Young yeah
Damn if cinemasins had their way, it would be illegal to make any fantasy movie after LOTR
Cedric Wyche .....it's not that serious. it's just a joke
It's not a dick, and yet everyone here is taking it so hard.
eltina21 when you tell the same joke over and over its not that funny
Not a big Worldcraft fan at all actually lol, but I kinda agree. The whole rip off thing gotten old pretty fast. Do you know how hard It is to make something today that hasn't been done before? Almost everything imaginable has been done in movies.
I agree, if they were Classic Doctor Who fans they'd be sinning the hell out of Back To The Future for ripping it off (the Flux Copacitor being a part of a time machine?), Stargate (aliens that took over the mind of a human being that fooled the Ancient Egyptians into believing they were gods), The Matrix (a hyper realistic micro universe/virtual reality people in the real world can enter that also stores information which is called "The Matrix").
My point is, aside from the fact that Doctor Who is probably the nerdiest show ever conceived, ideas that have been done before are EVERYWHERE but it depends on how good a spin on it that the filmmakers did. Warcraft, while I thought it was better than most were making out, did not. It kind of has the look and feel of a director passionate about the film he was working on but the studio executives mutated it because "oh WE know what gamers want! Haven't you seen what we've done with video game movies?!"
8:50, the "unnecessary" volcano in the background IS Blackrock Mountain. The reason why it is erupting is because idiot dwarves awakened Ragnaros. Basically, the entire battle is taking place on the Firelord's front yard.
Wrong, it may be Blackrock Mountain, but the event you are reffering to happened CENTURIES AGO. It was after the War of the Three Hammers that Black Iron dwarves brought Ragnaros back into Azeroth by mistake, the volcano erupting here could be for a whole different reason.
As someone who has been playing blizzard games for almost 30 years now I can quite confidently tell you that this movie is a piece of s***
That unnecessary volcano just looks like the design team shoved Mount Doom in there.
@@fildariusv7045 Yes but since that day blackrock is in a perpetual eruption
Lmao I love the comments on this particular sins video
"so many people with so many weird names and so many places with so many weird names" welcome to warcraft lore my friend
also if you know about warcraft this shit is really cool but as a stand alone movie this is a pile of shit
George Norwood Have you seen Lord of the Ring?
George Norwood or welcome to fantasy in general
The thing with the LotR movies is that they introduce/explain locations, persons and motivations far better than the WC movie.
18Krieger Of course they do, they are 9 hours of movies and Warcraft is 2. Also the lore of Warcraft is significantly larger and broader.
video in short:
I don't like this movie because it's not LOTR.
I only like LOTR Fantasy.
"Everything I dont like rips of LOTR in some way. I cant have two things with Dwarfs. They are only allowed in LOTR."
The movie is pretty shitty. Some of the actors plainly sound bored or sick of their lines, the CG orc bits are as cringey as watching minecraft animations, and the movie overall does a good bit of assuming you know and care about the world it takes place in
Strife Rixa The movie has bad pacing/editing and actors for the human characters are dull/lack enthusiasm most of the time. The CG for characters + mocap is probably the best you can get nowadays. World+Characters represent almost 100% what you can find in the games other than almost every pathetic video game adaption to date. And just like LOTR the movie assumes that you know the medium its based on.
Better luck next time.
I didnt feel this alienated with LOTR. And I've actually played the warcraft games.
Better than generic D&D Fantasy kek
Why is everyone comparing this movie to LotR? It's not trying to be LotR and it never did and never will.
Having said that. I'm a Warcraft fan since the very first game back in the 90's (Fuck I'm getting old...) and loved it. But I also know people who were never warcraft fans who also liked it. Thing is... They didn't compare it to LotR. Stop comparing it to LotR!
the movie is very much trying to be the lotr movie no matter how the sources differ
+Wolfbane971 No it's not. It's trying to be a movie based off the games. Just because something is high fantasy doesn't mean it's a LOTR clone. That's just like saying Harry Potter is a LOTR ripoff.
Wolfbane971 No. it is very much not trying to be LotR.
YOu are aware that orcs and elves and magic is not something Tolkien was the first to make up right?
The Elves are different, the Orcs are very different. The magic and how it works and how powerfull it is is very different.
And beyond that, and most importantly. The movie has a very different style to it than the LotR movies have.
It's like saying The Longest Day and Saving Private Ryan are trying to be the same thing. Sure, both play in WW2 and D-day is a huge part of both movies. But they are not the same movie and they are not trying to do the same thing.
Same here. Sure. Both are set in a fantasy world with elves, orcs and magic. But both are trying to do something very different with that source material.
Now don't get me wrong. Warcraft is far from a perfect movie. I agree whole heartedly that it could do a better job of explaining shit. I can understand that people think it feels rushed, it felt so for me as a WC-fan too.
And yeah alot is thrown at you and I see it could get overwhelming. I got the details because I know the basic story, and I know the charachters. (The movie being an adaptation of the games storylines.)
But I also have friends who never played any of the games. And they still liked it.
I also have friends who didn't like it.
Both points are fair. Your feelings are your own. Not gonna comment on that. That is up to you and you are free to think on wether or not you liked this movie however you like.
But this is such an inane comment you showed. As if anything fantasy these days is ripping off Tolkien or Game of Thrones or both. No. Fantasy is a far bigger things with tropes in it that are far older than any of the stories and movies we know and love this day.
Tolkien is not the source material for all things fantasy. Sure. Blizzard took inspiration from him. But they went in a completely different direction with it.
just because it has orcs in it? cause if you change the name of the orcs/elves/dwarves to something else, it's not even remotely close to the lotr storyline.
Because dummys lack arguments. They can only draw from what they know.
That fel portals are designed for fel demons not orcs or humans,thats why they huge af
not in the movie, in the movie it is build by orcs for orcs and there realy is no need for it to be that big
@@tommerker8063 they still took the dimensions displayed in the books and the game which is awesome focus on details. In the movie too the burning legion is behind the orks invasion so it would make sense to display it like that too
@@DeChimaera it's never shown though and it would be easy to show too, jsut have guldan report to a demon, but no the movie implies that the orcs are independent, therefor the size of the portal does not make sense in context
@@tommerker8063 well medive transforming into an image of the demon sargeras is a hint at least ^^
Was also meant to be 3 movies but they stopped it. I guess the background would have been more in the following ones
Okay, okay, look. I usually enjoy CinemaSins -- immensely -- but you're annoying me by comparing ALL fantasy lore to Tolkien lore. Are there tons of similarities in other fantasy universes to the LotR universe? Yes. That doesn't make them blatant ripoffs. Tolkien isn't the God of Fantasy or whatever, so it really irks me seeing people slap the seal of "TOLKIEN RIPOFF" on anything vaguely fantastical. I'm not even a fan of WoW, and this is starting to get borderline degrading.
+1 sin for "Fantasy movie is a ripoff of Tolkien" cliche.
No, he isn't god of Fantasy, but he sure did imagine something A WHOLE FUCKING lot better than these ripoffs and yes, he inspired these ripoffs.
He laid the groundwork for future lores. And while many have connections to LOTR, plenty have their own creations that are not really complete rip-offs that CinemaSins would like to believe.
He laid the groundwork for HIS OWN creations later. In "The Silmarillion".
And then he told the stories in it with Children of Hurin, The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings.
He sure didn't lay that groundwork for shitty fantasy ripoffs like these.
How is this a ripoff, could you tell me?
The similarities I see are
Orcs vs Humans (Which it doesn't even have clear lines like LotR had, and the freaking orcs are aliens for christ sake.)
more or less but not really the architecture.
And the medieval setting.
That's about it.
Following your logic, every war movie is a ripoff from something, every detective movie is a ripoff from something, every firemen movie is a ripoff from something, every cop movie is a ripoff from something etc.
You are so wrong Tolkien might have started the genre but Warcraft is not a rip-off.Actually a rip-off would be e.g: Lord of the ring becomes The ring's lord. You get the point it's just it sounds stupid when someone says "everything which is not the most popular/"original" is a rip-off. Even if I didn't play Warcraft I know that the game ain't a rip-off, it became it's own world of wonders and adventures.
For the first time in my life, I'm actually disliking a Cinemasins video. I love Warcraft as a whole, but I hated the movie. But all the points Jeremy makes are incredibly nit-picky and are basically limited to "This is a Tolkien rip-off" or "I basically know nothing about the Warcraft universe".
personally, i liked the movie, although some details that were to make it clear what they were etc stuck out like a sore thumb to me. But yea, you are right, most of his stuff was either "ripoff of X Y or Z" or "i dont know this stuff so im sinning it"
hahahahaha
a) the videos are supposed to be nit-picking and not actual film criticism. Go read David Ehrlich's review if you want to read film criticism on that he summed the movie up pretty accurately.
b) They were really nice on that movie. There were a lot of things that were also wrong with that shitfest of a movie
c) most of these things aren't really nit-picky. The awful CG, the total lack of proper character and world introduction, the whole movie was "show random things without tell" and it did that repetitively. So why would you call them out for criticizing that?
Too bad Jeremy & co. are long past the point of caring about what we think of them...
"But all the points Jeremy makes are incredibly nit-picky"
Welcome to Cinemasins
CinemaSins is about being nit-picky, what the fuck? Besides, if you take this movie at its face value, it's a crock of shit. You shouldn't have to know a shit ton of anything to understand what's going on in the FIRST movie of what's obviously going to be a series. A movie, made for the public, viewed in public theaters, shouldn't be "hey, you better know everything that's already going on, or else you never will, and will be stuck with a pile of shitty CGI, terrible writing direction, no character development (or even substance at all), and a stack of 'why did I expect this movie to be good, again?'". Face it, the movie was fan-pandering on the most basic of levels. It did nothing to be more than a visual representation of what you'd already know, and it did that poorly, at that.
the portal is also big enough for demons
also, Buckbeak is a hippogryph. THAT was a gryphon
lol
demons are really fucking tall lmao
Yup like Archimonde and Kil'jaden are fucking huge
well, Pitlords and Doomlords arent small either
"Buckbeak ripoff" I... griffins are a mythical creature... J.K. Rowling didn't invent them...
And Buckbeak's not even a Griffon, he's a Hippogriff.
1+ sin Not doing a universal globe logo with the world of Azeroth.
Ripper Rex Oh dude honestly that’s so true
agreed
Fucking true
They can't, we only know how one side of Azeroth looks like. We've no clue what's west of Kalimdor and what's east of the Eastern Kingdoms.
Is Azeroth even a globe?
the fact that you were counting the use of mythological creatures as movie sins triggered me more than it should have
@Vice TOLUCT
r/ihavereddit
@Vice TOLUCT
This is a comment section not Tinder
@Vice TOLUCT
The point is this isn't a private chat and don't be suprized that a random replies to something you wrote. That's what you did in the beggining by replying to OC wasn't it?
@Vice TOLUCT
You are one suprised i responded to you and i explained why you shouldn't be since we are in open forum.
Read between the lines for christ's sake i don't have to spoonfeed you everything.
Exactly. Mythological creatures shouldn't have been sinned here. Also Tolkein might have invented orcs but it's not like Warcraft was the only one to use them too.
tl;dw: Warcraft is like LOTR cause it's fantasy
I usually like cinemasins and knew they wouldn't like this film but this was just pathetic.
piefish Aw you triggered??
marshall zane: no he's just stating that it was pathetic.
no, because they can't be bothered to create their own shit.
There was so much wrong with this movie but they decided to go the lazy route instead of naming actual sins in it.
This film has so much sin potential that it's pretty insulting the video just came down to "Look at me I know nothing about Warcraft, LOTR, or myths/legends". The concepts of ogres and imps (which inspired Tolkein's works) existed long before LOTR did. That, and the Orcs of Warcraft have nothing to do with the Orcs of Tolkein's universe, beyond the fact that they can fight.
The "This is a Tolkien/LotR rip-off" joke got old real quick.
REAL QUICK. #Idiocracy
The movie repeatedly ripping off LOTR got old real quicker
Nick 77 “Oh wow, they used mythical and fantastic creatures that also appeared in Tolkien books. tHeY mUsT bE rIpPiNg ToLkIeN oFf!!”
That’s how you sound,
i think ur the only one thats getting old
These are such obvious LOTR rip offs it’s so funny to hear someone deny it. Like they have discount orcs, discount middle earth, they try to produce the same themes and mood but cut out the actually content that actually makes those things. This is just a bad decision rolled up in an annoying fanboy screaming “this isn’t a rip off”. And don’t say it’s an imitation, like that’s somehow better. It’s not.
When people constantly compare this movie to the LOTR universe and say it's a rip off it reminds me of people who said battlefield was a CoD rip off cause they only care about the most superficial aspects.
Agreed,you can't take two movies of the same genre and see which was first and call the other one a "ripoff"
yeah its pretty bullshit, as the Warcraft franchise is actually a Warhammer ripoff first and foremost.
You guys seem to forget that Tolkien, who wrote LOTR came up with the whole human, orc, dwarf, elve thing that spawned the generic fantasy trope. CoD didn't invent the concept of military fps, so the comparison is pretty weak.
So, by that logic, everything that has orcs, dwarves, or elves is a copy of Tolkien mythology?
Daniel Schroedinger Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.... Tolkien only made up the language of the Elves, everything else in LotR is an amalgamation of British and Scandanavian mythlogy, the only thing he did was combine the two together, or in turn, add Wizards and Dragons to Norse mythology.
MEDIVH TRANSFORMS INTO A RAVEN! WHAT ARE YOUR OBSERVATION SKILLS, MAN?!
This was such a bad video, not because it talks shit about the film but because the "it's ripping off this" got old real fast.
Jennifer Winn Not when the film was a rip-off in almost every way. Most of what he said wasn't even about that.
Well, it got old real fast in the actual movie too. And yeah, no, I don't care that "Ironforge was introduced in WOW" because in WoW they ripped of the LOTR just the same. And it's really tiring and looks lazy.
Ian Bailey
Just like they did with Starcraft.
Yeah but films didn't stop ripping from one another. And I don't think they will ever. Maybe this film is so unoriginal and boring that it's hard to make sins...
You guys are fundamentally stupid. The evolution of EVERYTHING is taking something and making it better/improving upon it/or changing it. If Lord of the Rings was written and then ANYTHING REMOTELY SIMILAR was just scraped there would be no fantasy.
"How do you not know you enemy after fighting with humans for years?"
Ahem.... Burning Legion... Just saying...
Hahaha. True men. So what happen in dreanor.🤣🤣
meaning/// fighting the wrong enemy
Garona ain't a copycat of Gamora. She's from Warcraft 2, and World of Warcraft: Cataclysm, long before GotG came around. They did not get the "Green woman" idea from Marvel.
You may as well accuse Gamora of being a rip-off from one of Captain Kirk's sexual conquests.
Goatmon it's more like accusing the star trek green skins of ripping off Gamora
Garona appeared in Warcraft 1
Yosh Alexey Ah, that's right. My bad.
yo but GotG was first published as a comic in 1969
Black Obelisk Yondu was the only movie character who was an original Guardian though. Gamora didn't join the GoTG until 2007
Why do people always say "If you don't like his opinion don't watch" or something to that affect. How are you going to know his opinion if you don't watch...
Because the channel basically tell you what they're going to do which is nitpick the movie its like a vegan going to place that has a sign that says they only sell meat than going in and complaining because what they want isn't there
These videos are usually very funny. This video is not. The jokes are shit, and the sins don't have any humor to them.
Alice snake bae Fair enough, I suppose. I've never played WOW or know anything about it, but I did see it in the cinema and thought it was OK. I can see how people who are big into the game would have a much stronger opinion on it than most.
It's not about the faults of the movie where there is many, just that he tries so very very hard to nitpick on shit like, to a point is just sounds petty.
I don't get all the hate. Even when I don't agree with their opinion, I still find the videos enjoyable, because I don't take every single thing personally. Sad that people feel insulted and won't watch anymore just because they criticized something they liked. It's not that big a deal.
Welcome to cinema sins, where the sins don't matter.
TheMock5000 it’s like no one realized that and they just get pissed 😂 that’s why I love the comment sections
Whose line is it anyway
yea this channel.. just nitpicks about silly shit.
Yes and no.
It's meaningless because if it was criticism, it sucks. So therefore, the sins don't matter.
@@DE-wq8cp This channel was a joke to nitpick bad things about movies. But they eventually decided they were legitimate movie reviewers, but they literally cant notice anything wrong in a filmography point of view.
8:50 did... did you just censor the word "that's"?
Sin 76. He said black rock because that is the name of the mountain.
It's still a sin because that was probably never stated in the movie. (DOn't know, I haven't watched it.)
That's because the name is known in the lore. Watching the movie without knowing anything about the Warcraft universe is a sin of itself.
+vertex546
If you're expected to know Warcraft lore to enjoy the movie, why bother introducting character's relations (you're my sister first, dad, etc)?
To better put a character to the face of the actor.
The relationships that were "introduced" were actually just characters made for the movie. In the past, novels have fleshed out the Orc side of the story well and there are more than enough characters for them (with even some big-name chieftains only having cameos without a single line); the humans, on the other hand, had only a handful of main characters in Warcraft 1. Lothar's son and sister were either never named or didn't exist, and they even gave King Wrynn a second child (not that she played any part, though).
I agree with some of the plot holes but jesus, you know nothing about the Warcraft universe.
A movie is supposed to stand on its own. You don't need to read thousands of dc or marvel comic issues to enjoy a movie from those two. The fact that the movie fails to make sense of this world for new people only shows how bad it is. Otherwise, why make a movie if everyone who is going to enjoy it are already avid fans of the series?
Kiwa this movie makes perfect sense without Warcraft knowledge but if you know it then it will be better and have less possible plot holes just like dc and marvel. No one can make that many years of story in one movie and cover everything. Only reason people say the movie has so many holes is because people nowadays aren’t all that intelligent. Everyone gets way to confused unless something is spelled out for them like in marvel movies.(I am in love with the MCU btw but cmon they spoon feed us like we’re retarded to satisfy the dumb “fans.”)
@@massimolanzillo4768 I haven't played any warcraft games and i was lucky to understand 20% of the movie. The characters, locations, political intrigues, the conflict, nothing is explained in the movie itself. We follow 2-3 characters throughout it, but the viewer has no idea what is going on, or why should they care about anything that's happening. Who are the orcs? What are their goals? What is this fel? Why do they want to create this portal? Who is Lothar? Who is Khadgar? What is the guardian? What is that counsil? It's not about picking up some subtle queues, but the fact that the movie makes it impossible for new viewers to understand anything. Also, you calling out this channel out for "not knowing the lore" is proof enough of this. As i said, a movie should speak for itself, and he shouldn't have to learn years of ingame lore to be able to understand it. The fact that he wasn't able to, and that the content was so out of touch with the warcraft community, proves my point.
@@kiwa8830 Dude I think you might just be a little bit stupid.
@@kiwa8830 I agree - for example he sinned the height/size of the portal, but the only reason it's that big is because it's not just for the Orcs but also for the Legion. And later on in the movie Sargaras appears and it turns out HE wanted the portal the whole time. (and he is huge)
You're not even trying with some of these 'sins'.
kildren Then don't watch
Not a good argument, there, Austin. Give up.
hyperbolicether Not quite an argument. I'd call it a suggestion.
hyperbolicether yea it is stop fucking watching it if you dont like it. if you walk in on your parents fucking do you keep watching
No you see, it's a very saddening thing to come to a video, expecting to have a laugh because CinemaSins USED to be good, then be utterly disappointed by his stupidity and ignorance.. So Kildren is very much ON THE NAIL here. He wasn't trying, and saying "then don't watch" is disappointing of YOU, Austin.. Because you can't give what you say a minute of thought and realize how useless of a comment that was.
The portal is really big in the game too
@Huslen named Huslen i know. I play the game
@@rapham.santos4006 Mannaroth never came on azeroth... balnazzar neither...
@@agran4137 Are you sure? As I remember the events of Warcraft3, Mannoroth spilled his blood in a fountain in Ashenvale. Also Balnazzar held the Kingdom of Lordaeron when Sylvanas conquered it from him with the help of Varimathras. I believe both of these events took place in Azeroth.
@@agran4137 live strat would like a word with you regarding Balnazzar
@@agran4137 Mannoroth's remains are... in... Orgrimmar.
Not seen this video yet, not seen the movie... but gonna guess 50 seconds of logos and narration.
Was close! LOL!
Good one.
Wow cinemasins is really predictable
Best movie i ever watched
55. You are closest without going over :P
As someone who knows absolutely nothing about Warcraft's lord, I thought this movie was pretty good!
*lore?
It butchered some plot points, but always glad to see new people enjoying the story.
Sujen Pirabaharan do you even blizzard?
What butchery? Most of the important events that happen in the lore happened in the movie? All they did was changed how we got to those events.
AngrySmurf Garona x Anduin, Ogrim being a Frostwolf, Khadgar not aging to name a view.
>Garona is a ripoff Gamora
Sure the makers of the movie sinned so hard by not renaming someone who existed in the warcraft lore for decades who also happens to be a greenish humanoid due to being half draenei half orc just because that terrible guardians of galaxy movie was made first.
The guardians of the galaxy comics have been around for years as well.
+Joe Phasey Yes, but the point is that Garona is her own character and it is a cinema sin (see what I did there, haha... I'm sorry, I'll show myself out in just a moment) to simply assume that Garona is a reskinned Gamora. I really feel like the video script writer was so stuck on beating the dead horse of "this is a rip-off of (insert movie/book/character)" that they swept up many things that are just superficially similar.
TL;DR Garona is Garona, and Gamora is Gamora.
Actually, comic books have existed for far longer than WoW, if you didn't know.
I know gamora appeared first in ~'75? maybe? But do you think when blizzard created garona in '99 or something they actually went out of their way to copy a not particularly popular character from a not particularly popular comic book series, and she is not green just because she is half orc. Oh and by the way Garona existed for far longer than WoW as well, if you didn't know.
You're seriously dissing on the Guardians of the Galaxy movie? One of the most successful, likable and well-made comic book movies in recent history with almost universal acclaim? While simultaneously standing up for this boring piece of shit?
15:13
Add 100 sins for the movie not following the lore of the game at all. Garona killed the king of Stormwind in his throne room while under the control of a Ogre sorcerer. The king never made this dumb speech to Garona.
What if the king made this dumb speech under the control of Yogg Saron? gottem
@@vaskopoh9512 Making this movie was the plan of Yogg Saron.
i think this one was rather salty.
2) tolkein doesn't get a monopoly on "big ugly green humanoid known as an orc"
3) narrator said "but there was a time", not that he remembered that time.
7) women are able to predict the sex of their child with ~80% accuracy, likely due to the hormone imbalances as the baby develops
8) clan naming was an "ermagerd it's just like the games" moment for me.
9) how is that anything like john carter?
10) A E S T H E T I C
this is beyond nit picking, clearly someone at CinemaSins has never heard of the Warcraft game franchise before.
What if they didn't? The movie needs to stand as a movie first than anything.
Besides, Warcraft is hugly based on LOTR and D&D, from it's species to it's naming convetions.
By making a movie out of it, they are just making a poorman's LOTR, which this movie is.
And this comes from someone who enjoyed the movie.
Also, shouting aesthetics is meaningless. You can excuse anything with that vague argument.
Mitchell Anthony it's comedy. It's nit picking. It's taken from the view of an average movie goer sitting in the theater that knows nothing about the history. Welcome to cinemasins
Droogie128 i know, but with other films they at least try to make the sins half true
***** nothing is necessarily untrue. Look at your movie from the eyes of the average movie goer that has no experience or knowledge of the lore. It's a movie with a lot of stuff about stuff that isn't explained, so it looks like a generic fantasy ripoff. These are all legit.
Hell, he sins the 20th Century Fox logo at the beginning of Alien for the poor sound quality before one of the greatest sci fi horror movies of all time, then removes 5 sins for it being one of the greatest sci fi horror movies of all time.
It's arbitrary. It's satire. Stop taking it seriously.
Mitchell Anthony agreed,they're giving the movie shit for sake of giving it shit. I mean for fucks sake they're bitching about how movie has a lot of characters with weird names..because you know no other fantasy or sci-fi movie or game has ever done that before.
I hate to be that Warcraft fan who will defend this movie to the death but the Hobbit/Lord of the Ring orcs couldn't be farther apart from the Warcraft ones. The orcs in Tolkien's universe are just all evil generic bad guy type people. The orcs in Warcraft have personality, character, honor, and a sense of what is right and wrong. (Some of them at least)
No worries. I'm a Warcraft fan who defends it aggressively.
***** That's not correct. The orcs in LotR could never be good because the whole reason they exist is due the fact that they were corruptions of Morgoth (possibly corrupted elves). If you look at the Silmarillion, they were servants of Morgoth before they became servants of Sauron, so they actually never coexisted peacefully with humans or elves.
Pardon me for my mistakes. As you can well imagine I have only seen the Lord of the Rings movies.
***** Yes, I'm aware that when there no one to control them, they might have little interest in battle. However, the problem is that even when neither Morgoth or Sauron is in control, orcs in the LotR universe are still under the influence of Morgoth's corruption, whether or not they are directly in control. Just like Sauron was present in the ring, Morgoth was present in everything that he corrupted, even after he was defeated and was no longer present in Middle Earth. So, while humans, elves and dwarves etc, could be either good or bad in Tolkien's world, the orcs can't really be good. I heard that Tolkien toyed with the idea that they could be redeemed but decided that that would take something extremely drastic and it never made it into any of his writings.
SithLord Pancake Don't worry. Trust, I know more about Tolkien's mythology and I don't think that orcs in that world can really be good.
There has to be a movie about the lich king, I just need to relieve those amazing years
it will likely be the third or forth movie *if* they get that far. You might see Arthas before he turns in a movie before he falls but that'd be it.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activision_Blizzard_Studios
Sequel will be made :)
Vigilante Entertainment Notice it say potential not confirmed.
Thinh Vo Seeing as how Warcraft has so much potential I doubt they won't make a sequel
+Vigilante Entertainment, Be careful, there has been no news of any sequels as of yet. It's still quite possible that they'll cancel any plans for one.
10:41 to be fair, Orgrim Doomhammer becomes warchief of the Horde in the main timeline. He ends up challenging Blackhand to Mak'gora and kicks his ass. Taking the mantle of warchief.
Hence the reason we all hang out in Orgrimmar ^_^
@Hunter Coleman It's not directly stated in any of the games. But the canon lore says Doomhammer challenged Blackhand to Mak'gora. His reasons were because when Gul'dan opened the dark portal with all his sacrifices, Durotanspoke out against it. And as a result. Gul'dan had the frostwolves banished from the Horde. Later on, Durotan told Orgrim about his suspicions but on his way back, Gul'dan had assassins murder Durotan and Draka. And hearing this, Orgrim knew he had to act.
The orcs gave Lothar a chance to fight for his ife because they have honor, Gul'dan doesn't
Thry don't fight Gul'dan because they are scared of his dark powers
Why do people bash this movie so hard? It wasn't that bad, it was quite good, actually... people complain about Hollywood not having enough original ideas, and when something different comes up, they shit on it. Something's fishy here...
It ravaged the original lore and brought the exact models for the Orcs from WoD, that is enough for most of the lore geeks...
As a fan of the Warcraft franchise, it was an okay video game based movie. To anyone not familiar with the source material, yeah, its going to seem really awkward and confusing, and a big ripoff of other franchises.
What's original about an adaptation of a 22 year old videogame that was original an adaptation of the Warhammer tabletop game that they changed slightly when they lost the licence?
Because a movie based on a video game that rips off Warhammer (which, in turn, rips off Tolkien) just *reeks* of originality.
Grumpy # how is bringing the models Faithfully a sin ? it
About the description, I personally have never played any of the Warcraft games and absolutely loved this movie.
What about it did you absolutely love though? Was it the script? The settings? The actors? The action?
In 5 years do you think you will still absolutely love it?
Probably because it's a dumb, fun movie that's not just another desaturated, overly serious comic book movie/reboot?
Stupid yet fun watch sure, but loved? why??
Collin Walker Comparably, The Warcraft movie is more in line with The Hobbits in terms of acting, CGI, and fun.
Wooden, dull, cheap, boring.
I'll never understand why someone needs to interrogate someone over an opinion. Jeez someone can like something without having to be hypercritcal of everything.
i know i'm late in saying this, and as much as i really enjoyed this movie, the problem with this movie is it expected people to have played the game and understood the lore without needing to go into too much detail within the film. the director was a major fan of the game and more or less the film is pretty good at telling the story of how the orcs invaded azeroth because of gul'dan and his training in the ways of a warlock by kil'jaeden. the problem is the movie expects you to already know this and expects you to already know they invaded azeroth from draenor. its literally a movie designed for people who have played the game and not for anyone else which is why the majority of people who watched it and didnt play the game had no clue. also it doesnt help that a lot of what goes on takes place long before where the game was at that time. in 2016 the legion expansion had come out so all the story that involved gul'dan would be something new players wouldnt know unless they read the lore. most of the story about gul'dan actually comes from before world of warcraft during the events of warcraft 2.
Yeah, it was 100% a film for fans of the franchise, rather than a film produced on its own merit. I don't think that's necessarily a *bad* thing (especially if you've got a fanbase as large as Warcraft's), but it's definitely worth noting and certainly affected how the film was received by non-fans.
Know what I hate about WoW? They stopped making Warcraft games. I never got to play Warcraft 4 because WoW was too lucrative.
@@propheinx2250 well i mean, any company will go to what makes them money. if something is making them more money they are going to spend more time on that so they can make more money . there are dozens of games that have done this. advent rising was an amazing game produced by majestico entertainment but they decided to go with other games that were making them more money rather than create the sequel they cliffhanged for us at the end of advent rising 1.
Actually Guldan was covered WLoD. The 2016 Legions was the second one as the 1st version came out around 2003 or 4. Played from vanilla to WLoD when wife's health needs became more important.
I dont know anything about wow. And I still under stand why the orc and gul'dan attcke. The movie explained it. Without having the viewers look up the lore.
It's probably because I really like the film, but I found this video really petty...
I didn't like the film yet the video is still trash
Vince These videos have been petty for a while now. It became REALLY evident with X-Men: Apocalypse. I don't even know why I watched this video after how much the X-Men one annoyed me 😁
yea, since it's clear he's hating just to hate. there is shit wrong with this movie, but he went for "HURR DURR LOTR" instead
Welcome to CinemaSins.
He isn't familiar with the franchise, and mistakenly stated that it ripped off of many other movies, which was annoying after awhile. He also asked questions that could be explained with a little bit of logical thought. I still enjoyed the video though.
OK, you count Dalaran looking like Rivendell as a sin, when it looks nothing like Rivendell..
Sin anyways DING
That's not Dalaran. That's Karazhan. Home of the Guardian Medivh.
He is stupid that he thinks this movie rippsoff something when others ripped this story
@@stevo7220 I think lord of the rings came first
The narrator is a crybaby.
6:14 I'm not sure when Gamora was introduced in the comics, but Garona was a character in Warcraft long-before Movie-Gamora (Who, for the record, is a VASTLY different character from Comicbook-Gamora. Or at least 'classic' Comic-Gamora back when the Warcraft games were being made). Point I'm trying to make is that these two characters have a long enough history and have had enough changes made to both of their characters that any form of comparison is virtually meaningless. It's basically the same thing as comparing Commander Shepard to Master Chief because their both space-marines.
Gamora was first introduced in 1975. She was made to be the universe's greatest assassin. She was also an orphan.
Garona Hellscream was an orphan and the first know character in a video game franchise to be the product of rape. Her lore is invaluable to those of us who have dealt with SA and love this game.
0:33 That's actually a good point. The movie did not reveal how long they were fighting an enemy they did not know. This was supposed to take place in the period of the First War, where humans and orcs met each other in war for the first time, so it's not like the humans would know what the orcs are firsthand before the latter arrived in Azeroth.
He says "there was a time when we didn't know who our enemy was". He is referring to the burning legion. Who came to the orc shaman leaders as spiritual guides back in their planet draenor. And manipulated them to invade the human world azeroth.
But... I loved this movie...
Why even
He's sinned a lot of movies I liked, if you dont like it you should just go watch the "Cinema Wins" channel
ColCoal and there is nothing stopping you from still loving it.
You ought to be thankful then. Would be boring as hell to have what you already think just repeated back at you right?
ColCoal he sins all the movies, good or bad.
Yo, i loved the shit out of this movie!
then you haven't watched a good movie.
+Pengu McDengu Never watched this movie or had a investment in warcraft but its called opinions. Your opinion is NOT universal.
EVeljko that's great, why are you telling me?
Yes it is
EVeljko yeah i thought it was really good as well, i remember when i went to see the movie with my older brother, he fell asleep halfway through the movie! i dont get it!
How did she know the gender? She has to wait for the baby to pick the race and gender first.god. noobs
dont forget class and realm, as well as the level 100 boost
Derp Department and the character name
Then it has to watch hours of class build tutorials because it's new to the game.
sheeit those are some quick replies
This comment is underappreciated
6:15 Garona has been part of Warcraft lore since Warcraft 1 (1994). And the only thing she has in common with Gamora is that they're both green and their names are kinda-almost-a bit similar. It's not a copycat if the character was invented 20 years before the movie it's supposedly copying.
Also, this movie doesn't make any sense, unless you are already at least somewhat familiar with the Warcraft setting.
greenish-skinned bad guy's loyal skinny assasin going rogue
that assasin being the one who specializes in using blades in combat
that assasin belonging to a race the bad guy wiped out
also having basically the same names
Ya know that Gamora's been a part of Marvel since, like, 1975?
(UPD: Alright, I fucked up. Not a Marvel fan and never was. But still - the Warcraft movie came out _after_ Guardians of the Galaxy did(which introduced this "new" Gamora))
Ya know that originally Garona _was_ whole-heartedly loyal to Gul'Dan?
Yeah...totally not ripped off.
@@The-jy3yq I'm not saying it's not possible that, in the making of the Warcraft movie they "took inspiration" from the Marvel character. I'm not a mind reader, I don't know what they were thinking. All I said, that the character concept of Garona from Warcraft 1 was not a rip-off and existed as an established character long before the Guardians movie.
CinemaSins was specifically pointing out the similarity in their names - calling her a "Discount Gamora" despite the fact that she as a character (and her name) predates the Guardians movie.
The sad part is, even if you are a fan of the game and lore like me , this movie is still not for you; CGI is trash the story is NOT the same as warcraft at all(many character changes and story changes that were huge changes and it literally ruined me every wanting to watch it.gorona was mind controlled by chog'all and she is half orc half dreanie and she was magically aged, she also fell in love with medivh not lothar and yes this matters..the story was not even close to cannon and this movie being done by anyone but blizzard themselves was a dumb idea and a shit stain on the brand.
@@timar6868 Pretty sure the lore was retconned to fit with the movie - but yeah, deviated quite a bit from what we knew.
CinemaSins: no movie is without sin!
Me: cool, so whats wrong with this movie?
CinemaSins: its not Lord of the Rings!.
Me: .....
iggy the alien cgi is terrible acting is half assed plot is terrible and so is pacing dialogue is choppy is what is wrong with this movie not to mention the straight up rip off of scenes and music from other movies
Not because it is a complete rip-off, poorly acted, has butt-ugly cgi(not because they are orcs, but because everything looks fake as shit), dull action, boring dialogue, A bibles-worth of exposition and is just all around a boring forgettable movie, no it is because it isn't Lord of The Rings. Yeah...that's it.
Yeah Sins cause it isnt LOTR lol
It has the best CGI done up to this date in a movie, if you didn't enjoy it doesn't mean it's bad, it's literally the best.
"THE CGI IS FAKE N SHIT"
In comparison to literally everything else, to the best of my knowledge, this is the best-looking CGI we have had so far. Maybe in 5, 10, 20 years it will look shit but right now it's one of the best so if this is a reason against this movie, you have to hold it against every single movie that has an element of CGI.
i need to stop reading the comments under these videos, jesus christ
But they're so funny!
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gamers? what do you expect. as a gamer am ashamed
+1 agreed
It's all fun and games until it's a movie they like.
Basically all the critisism : Copy cat copy cat copy cat, bullshit bullshit bullshit, wow that's so stupid, copy cat
Criticism*
FelAddictGaming TRIGGERED
...correct. This was an objectively cheesy film that did objectively rip off of many other films. :/
Doesn't make it wrong, though
Nah, everything that he complains about is well established in the games. Maybe there was some inspiration from tolkien, etc., but as a fan of both LoTR and Warcraft I can tell you that they're very different.
The only real sin, there's no sequel
Kevin Ortolani you really want a sequel to this garbage?
@@ryansmith135 it was a good movie. Just had some rough edges due to it trying appeal to the modern person
@@SSteelux If you consider massive amounts of retcons and smashing years of lore into a few days then sure, it was an alright movie.
It would make a better tv series
@@hughjaynus4711 It could've had just a basic lore and plot that can easily tie into the game series. So that way it can be easy to follow.
Still one of the best video game movies out there.
That's not exactly praise, considering their general...quality.
Sean Bragg I know that, but this movie is getting a lot of flack even though it's a genuinely enjoyable movie. Most people who know fuck-all about Warcraft really enjoyed it a lot.
And the people that actually do know Warcraft know what the lore is, and how closely this movie follows it.
So it's kinda bs it's getting so much hate.
Rebooted your joking about the movie following lore right they changed almost everything cept orc vs human
Sadly yes. Unfortunately that means it isn't bad enough to to be hilarious, so it's just bad. Unless you're a fan of the games, in which case apparently it's actually pretty decent.
Not a high bar to jump over
Ok as much as I am a bit annoyed at his "this stole from Lord of the Rings" (and I'm not a fan of wow) Tolkien took everything from Mythology.
You got to admit he's right on number 101 10:24
Tolkien actually invented a lot. Much of the characters in LoTR are named after real myths, but they don't actually resemble those myths. Could the elves or orcs in LoTR really be said to resemble elves and orcs of folklore? Not really.
He also pretty much pioneered the entire fantasy genre. Before him, hard as it is to believe, people just didn't write stories set in their own fictional world. They would be set in a version of our own reality.
Morkney I love your comment thank you. A voice of intelligence in a sea of idiocy.
JediSpectre117 Tolkien didn't take much from Norse mythology, mainly he took names that had nothing to do with his creations. For example he took the Norse name Orcus which was a evil vampire thing and used that name for orcs even though the two have little In common.
Though the reason for that is that the games (on which this movie is based on) borrowed a lot from Tolkien, even the RTS ones.
same can be said for todays stuff. Tolkiens orcs and orcs in many games/fantasy worlds today are not even close to the same.
After the umpteenth "Tolkien did it" joke I feel compelled to say something. Tolkien does not deserve so much credit for concepts that were dreamed up thousands of years before his birth. Just because someone does a decent job repackaging Norse mythology does not mean he gets credit for Orcs and Dwarves for all time.
Also, sinning Warcraft for pop culture referencing like "boomstick" and calling it an LOTR ripoff is a bit like sinning Spaceballs for being a Star Wars ripoff.
actually, the "boomstick" was in reference to "Army of Darkness" (1992) so a year after warcraft came out, but i would conceed that yes, it was a bit ripped off. although it felt more like an oversized flintlock pistol than a true "boomstick"
Vierynbryn I know. That's why I said, "pop culture and..." but it was a bit smushed together and not all that clear what I meant. After all Spaceballs did the same thing: Star Wars was the main spoof but other pop culture references show up as well.
I was under the impression that it was a double reference. The super reference was AoD, of course, but the movie was referencing a spoof that was referencing AoD in the Dwarf newbie area in WoW.
Yeah orcs, dwarves and fairies were already these so long ago
"Decent job repackaging norse mythology" is a gross underplaying of Tolkiens work, he is the father of modern fantasy, so much so that most of his writings are straight fantasy cliques, which is why warcraft has a lot of similarities, it goes with the genre
"Bashes city names and distance in other movies"
WhY dOnT tHeY gIvE dIsTaNcE??
basic earth geography can be safely assumed of an audience. azerothian geography: not so much. also as a long-time wow player: i have no idea what the azerothian races measure distance in. for me it's minutes flying the shortest routes, but...
@@sjs9698 Idk man, it seems to be all the same to Americans anyway
6:00 "Do you think chris would notice if I stopped watching and made up the rest of my sins"
Don't you always?
Sorry did he hurt your feelings
@@RebrandYourselfFor He sure as hell hurt mine, I watch a lot on this channel and agree with majority of points, but this review made my blood boil, guy didn't bother to look at it from directors perspective, which is "I play the game, I love the game, I will make a movie about the game for people that love and play the game" It was never meant for people who have no clue about warcraft universe
16 minutes of someone who has never played WoW, or any Warcraft games.
BlkChapel agreed
How do you know that? He might have just played them just to play them, and ignored the lore
MrCfitz 123 this guy is so smart to miss the Lore of the game. In Warcraft you couldn’t keep playing without knowing the whole story.... right?
@@rockyhorrorfreakshow5091 You'd only have to play warcraft 3 and watch LotR for 15 minutes each to know that Tolkien's orcs and warcraft orcs are nothing alike. In fact you could spend 5 seconds comparing a picture of a warcraft orc to any interpretation of a LotR orc and immediately see a difference.
Well...not his fault that he didn't know that WarCraft was originally based off of the Warhammer series...
The movie is based on the game ofcourse their are plenty of characters you don't know and yes their are alot of oversized things, magic, weird creatures.... because its a fantasy movie based on a fantasy MMORPG that was published way before alot of things you listed, like Harry Potter.
Did you just call warcraft a mmorpg?
Wow came out 2004.
Harry Potter was published in 1997.
You're either referring to the rts games and don't know what a rts is or you have only heard of their release dates and thought that wow started it all.
@@dardelius9648 "wow" was created from the franchise games of (warcraft) 1994 (humans and orcs) (rain of chaos) and (frozen throne) so most of the stuff which he said was a rip off was already established in warcraft before harry potter or any other movie he compared it too...
This is mostly based on the first warcraft game events the game was released in 1994, yet, some of this events can be seen on some lore parts of WoW.
@Jake Koterba Dardelius and Hendri Nel are referring to the fact that the OP obviously thinks that the movie is "based on a fantasy MMORPG which was published way before (...) Harry Potter" - thus he either thinks that Warcraft is an MMORPG (which it isn't - World of Warcraft/WoW is the MMORPG, Warcraft is an RTS!), or that WoW was released before Harry Potter (which is just as false). This kind of makes the OP look like he might not even know anything about the actual games and is just repeating stuff he's heard/read somewhere else.
CinemaSins used to acknowledge sins that were actual sins, now it just makes anything they dislike as a sin.
When, when did they do that? Cause all I remember is a mix of cynical and dislike sins.
@@RevansMinion Like waaaaay back, in their first videos, thats why mosy of them are ~4-6 minutes long. They increased the length for the algorithm and needed stuff to fill the video. but hey, if it works for them, im good with it
Are you sure it's not you being triggered over CS sinning your fav movies ;)
So please read all before replying.
1) A movie should stand on its own, even when based on a game. I feel this one did alright in the aspect, pacing did feel odd.
2) In the fantasy genre, there will always be dwarves, elves, evil guy/orcs. I don't consider it "ripping off" or whatever because its fantasy.
3) Magic can be a deus ex machina, I'll admit it. 'Because magic' is a pretty meh way of making things happen for plot. I'll give you that.
4) I am a fan of WoW, not really up on the lore, I have played on and off since it first came out. I love it, no matter how meh, bad, or god awful it might get I will still love it. I acknowledge my bias, and yet can agree there are some issues with this movie. Personally I feel we should have gotten a mini series about all of what was in this movie. One about the humans, then the orcs, then these guys duking it out. Then bankrolled the fans by doing a special all in one event at movie theaters.
5) I really feel like the narrator could have done better. We have all watched vids with him when he makes great intelligent sins that are most times funny, or giggle worthy. When he gets this kind of annoyed with a movie it usually an annoying movie that people laugh at for the same reasons he tears it to shreds.
Those previously stated videos are why we love CinemaSins! This didn't seem like the best they could have done if this was the best they could have done I wish they wouldn't have done it at all.
Now that I look at the book I wrote I thank you for actually reading the entire thing. Holy crap, you deserve a cookie.
Btw, edited because I added a race of creatures that's actually not in this movie.
tldr
tl, but I did read! :D
Anton Ymus Diwers thank you!
Rebecka de Verdier yeah its long, sorry. Thank you for reading it!
Keith. That's a good point. That's another issue with the movie. Is it for fans or to get people introduced to story? Again, I love WoW. I liked the movie. I just felt like it tried to do too much, and that took away from the finished product.
To be fair to Warcraft, The Lord of the Ring is one of the most influential books out there. You can't really blame them for using similar ideas. It's just how LotR has influenced the fantasy genre.
Its funny that Warcraft takes quite alot from Warhammer, which started as a D&D semi-clone, which was mostly lifted from Tolkien
So this is, in a way, 4 generations removed from the actual LotR and its STILL very similar, shows how strong LotR affected the genre
@@barrylyndon5552 It's like they circled back to LotR. The Warhammer orcs are completely different, irredeemably warlike but funny to watch.
The reality is that all fantasy fiction- in literature, video games, films and comics are going to be compared to The Lord Of The Rings. It's inevitable. Like you said, LOTR is one of the most influential books out there. LOTR is the high water benchmark for for all High Fantasy. It's like how if you make a Flying Brick-type Super Hero with a cape, he'll get compared to Superman as the benchmark and high water mark for Super Heroes. That's just how it is. Of course Warcraft( like Dungeons & Dragons and Warhammer) was influenced by LOTR but it's also very much it's own individual thing that stands on it's own and it's not at all a rip-off of LOTR.
Sin 10 : Sargeras used Orcs to kill all draenei , and atack on Azeroth at the same time . Dreanei was easiest live form to use.
Sin 12 : Yes , it was space travel.
Sin 13 : He took Draka with him , because they wanted to fond safe home for Thrall.
Sin 53 : She is Gul'dans spy.
Sin 76 : Black Rock is name of that volcano , so it is not mountain.
Sin 100 : That music is playing in some orc camp . I cant remember where , I think its in Durotan.
Sin 111 : Because Fel existed way earlier , than Azeroth invasion. Medhivs mother fought againts avatar of Sargeras. She defeat him , but she and her unborn son Medhiv was infected by Sargeras . Sargeras manipulate Orcs thanks to Gul'dan , so when the Orcs drink bood of pit lord Mannoroth , they was under control of Burning legion. This was later broken , when Grommash and Thrall ( that baby Orc ) killed Mannoroth. Basicly , Medhiv was under control of Sargeras , and he open portal for Horde.
Sin 116 : Polymorph , one of famous mage abillities.
Nothing applies to this movie. Forget all the warcraft lore you knew, because this movie is like a shit version of warcraft 1.
the black rock that touches the sky is called Blackrock Mountain. I know its a volcano, but it is still a mountain.
Extra1 This movie is for gamers , this is biggest problem of this movie.
you must have an extensive knowledge of wow to post that or you did research either way i am impressed
Aggann sorry
As someone who never played these fantasy, Minecraft games. And never watched any series version of WoW.
I can say this movie was epic to watch!
what
Wow, people really hated this episode
WoW.. get it..
just no nice alchemist
You know, only a few devoted fans of the Warcraft games around the world and the biggest MMORPG up to date by one of the most beloved gaming companies ever.
DEER GOD Pretty much
Probably because they can smell the bias. The guy keeps saying that this movie ripped off Tolken which as a Tolken fan, annoys me.
It's a raven.
Nah. It just uses the data from the source material that warcraft fans should already know.
ProfWulfenstein it's not a raven it's a crow
Raven. The literal campaign of Warcraft 3 states this.
Raven it's in wc3
It's actually a storm crow. If you need proof, do the quest "A Falling Star" in Legion where Khadgar explains he prefers the Greatstaff of the Guardians 'Stormcrow' form
Well I just wasted 16 minutes of my life hearing stupid reasons that nobody ever mentions ever
You must be new around here, quit being such a silly bitch. No one cares if you disliked the video.
Smokey McJoint The amount of dislikes say otherwise
Crown Baker What do you mean with CS?
Smokey McJoint true af
At least their previous videos were funny. This was obviously not.
"Discount Buckbeak" yet isn't Buckbeak tech a rip off of ANY griffon before it? seeing how i can reassure harry pothead didnt create Gryphons
Buckbeak is more of hippogrypf rather than gryphon
@@JakO_Ob even then Harry Potter didnt create that either so comparing anything to buckbeak as if jk Rowling created everything lol.
@@EvarwyndGamingBackup i just added another reason why he was wrong
What's this Griffen and hypogryph talk? He clearly said they were eagles. Man knows what he's talking about when it comes to WoW!
Jeremy forgets fiction outside of LOTR and Harry Potter exists just so he can bash this movie. *ding*
narrator has clearly never played wow + 1 sin
You shouldn't have to play the game to watch the movie.
Joe Phasey considering it was designed to make lore accessible but not overly simple, game play is pretty key
+sam no its not, they tried to crunch in a shit ton of lore in a short while, it never works.
If you have to look into other things like the game to understand what it going on in this movie, that isn't a good sign.
DRAGONMASTER412 no because he has a life
I feel as if this was directed mainly at WoW fans for lore and such, so they could enjoy their game being brought to life in a movie.
It's almost as if the crew said this in an interview...Oh, they did!
This movie was open to the public to watch, I believe. And for people who don't care enough to check the lore and stuff, obviously they wouldn't like it. Hey, WoW fans liked it. Cool. Wait, people who don't play it don't like it? HOW DARE THEY?! HOW DARE THEY DISLIKE A MOVIE THAT WAS RELEASED FOR EVERYONE TO WATCH?!
I hardly enjoyed most of the shit they got wrong, either that or half the stuff was retconned like the fact Garona wasn't around during the fight with medivah (oh that Medivah fight, you know they ahd so much to work with, mages in WOW can do so much shit and Medivah is fucking Yoda AND Starkiller of mages, they could have done so much with that scene instead they just fuck with him by dropping that thing on his head... it was honestly worth 50 sins in and of itself how bullshit that fight was.
and Garona, damn they could have done so much more with her
The portrayal of Garona is probably the worst part of the movie. How much better would it have been if Gul'dan had actually been allowed to use the spell on her and make her kill the king rather than her doing it of her own free will. The fact that she couldn't stop herself and that the king might have lived is the saddest part of her storyline. Instead, they have him sacrifice himself and her killing him with his acceptance, which just makes it a sad cliché
If it was directed to wow fans for lore and such they'd have made a better job keeping it like the lore and such.
I'm not a warcraft fan, but about 2 thirds of the criticisms here were subjective opinion and not actually movie mistakes.
It's called satire.
It's called talking out of your ass.
imo he is a little bit annoying
davis3d you know when leafy made fun of a autistic person I beleive satire. I don't know try to not watch to many in a row I can't.
then you don't understand this channel
When the king is telling garona to kill him and bring peace between orcs and humans, and you ask "how is that supposed to work?", YOU LITERALLY CUT OUT THE SCENE THAT EXPLAINS WHY THIS WORKS
That seen dosen't exist.
@@myself2noone bullshit it doesnt exist, it literally takes place right in front of the portal in the orc camp.
@@myself2noone what has been seen?
When Jeremy wants to bash the movie, he'll bash the movie.
This one seemed aggressively forced. I couldn't go past sin ten simply because all of them were bad, unlike usual cinema sins which usually have a good point. I guess the script writers for this one don't know about Warcraft RTS series and the World of Warcraft Universe? Clearly, most of these are nods to those fans who've seen a bunch of this in-game :)
My very first dislike of Cinema Sins :( I feel bad, but this wasn't thoroughly looked into, or if it was, it was purposely ignored.
they don´t need to know everything about warcraft.. warcraft is 100% other sources. thats like needing to know about the shanerra chronlicles to criticise them.
>professional, informative review
You're kidding right? please tell me you're fucking joking lol.
CinemaSins is a comedy channel you dolt.
No one cares about your RTS series.. if the movie fails to deliver on its own than its a bad movie.. it's as simple as that
Then* (No, seriously, that annoys me). And, my point is not about the RTS. My point is regarding the fact that the "sins" actually have a reason that either the video creators didn't know or knew but chose to ignore. By the way, more than 5 million players currently would like to disagree, and over 30 million players in the RTS history would like to disagree as well. Clearly someone cared to put it to the top ^_^ Cheers, and do some research! It helps! Trust me! =D
You don't get to have "Discount Buckbeack" as if JK Rowling invented the hippogriff
Ribby She freely admits that she wishes she had invented the hippogriff. But I think he was going more for a similarity with the Buckbeak design used in _Prisoner of Azkaban._ Alternatively and more likely, he was just being a dick because that's what he does.
What design? they are a set mythical beast.... it's not as if buckbeak was someone revolutionary in how he looked.
he does it with everything calm down man
it's a Gryphon
That's really not the point.
12:11 Medivh was possessed by Sargeras, basically a demon god, from before his birth. There's too much lore to cover for these movies to explain EVERYTHING to newcomers, seems like they leaned more toward making the movie for Warcraft fans, so you probably wont get every little thing explained. Which I think is great, I love having a massive budget movie targeted at me instead of as many people as possible.
I love how you need to be a warcraft and / or hearthstone fan to have a remote idea of what and who things are going down.
more like have a doctorate in warcraft lore, i played since wc2 and i have barely an idea of whats going on in the movie
@@tommerker8063 is easy. the timeline is actually before the 1st game. hell even the 1st and 2nd game didn't explain what was really going on ether. so the movie has better explanation than the 1st 2 games. while the 3rd game actually connects with the movie. almost like the 1st and 2nd game didn't happened. but at lest you know the creatures that the orcs used to be allies with and the humans used to be allies with a few different elfs mostly.
even if I haven't played the games or even heard of it. the only idea I pick up from the movie is. the orcs are trying to find a new home. but there new leader demon orc or just fel orc is just moving world to world to gain power rather give them what they truly want. but the green orcs are just to blind to realized why they never had a new home up untell almost the end of the movie. BOOM! that's all you need to know.
@@rickydiscord7671 wich is not what happens in the games at all. s i said you need a doctorate in warcraft lore to understand it. here is what the movie doesn't tell you. the orcs are not on the search for a new homeworld, infact the orcs are controlled by ghuldan because he is controlled by demons and they are there to wage war and claim the world of azeroth for the demons (wich are not in the movie by the way, yet apparently still exist and are the cause for the plot of the movie)
@@tommerker8063 but here's I don't get and I think the makers didn't thought about at the time. we all know green orcs are not normal orcs and the red or red/pink are normal orcs. at sometime I think ether 2 or 3. the 3rd game when they were infect by demon blood they turned red. but later they said the red orcs were the normal ones. "what?" what's the point on lore when they can't make up there minds on how each creature works and when everything gone down hill. for god sakes they have time travel at some point. only add time travel if it's important. not a random reason to keep the series going.
the movie was just a example on how little sense to anyone rather you know the series or not. not just the movie ether like I have pointed out.
Okay so evryone are idiot or what? I watched the movie and i understand what's happening
7:12 I could understand that Cinema sins didn’t see the feathers on Medivh’s coat, or Didn’t know that Medivh canonically turns into a raven, but come on there was very clearly a raven call in that scene
it's because the movie explains jack shit, it also retcons a lot without taking the retcon into account. like the burning legion build the portal in the games so it kinda makes sense that it's so big, but in the movie the orcs build the portal for orcs since there is no burning legion in the movie but the portal is still big.
Oh hey, FINALLY a Warcraft CinemaSins! Time to enjoy some witty, fun, humorous criticis-
"HURR DURR LORD OF THE RINGS RIPOFF"
...Yeah
Nevermind
To be fair, this movie only made sense if you knew the lore already. If you didn't, this movie is full of random bullshit. Can't really blame them for not liking it. I personally enjoyed it but I've been a Warcraft fan for a long time (just not WoW).
Wrong. Actualy i brought many people who never played Warcraft or knew the lore to the movie and they still understood it easily. most of it is common sense.
+6ullsh17K1n9 The movie is absolute trash for anyone that doesn't know the lore. Complete cliché garbage. Noone who cares about a good story would go play the game after it, most people would run in the other direction
+6ullsh17kn9 Exactly. The most WoW anything I've done is read 1 wiki page when I was curious about a character. Most of the stuff just makes sense if you think ahead.
somany5 a movie is a movie and should be able stand alone from the source material
Wrong. If you know the lore then the entire movie didnt make any sense because the lore in this movie was completely butchered.
They didn't steal as much as you think. A number of things in the movie are direct references to the games it's based on. Also, LOTR has so diffused into the general culture that it wouldn't necessarily be directly stealing from it by now. Just drawing off of general pop culture.
6:20 how is a map done in the style of Sistine Chapel a sin?
Or is this just me being an artsy nerd?
I think the argument might be that it's not practical to have a map on the ceiling rather than one on a parchment that you can read. I think you're right though that there's nothing wrong with having a map on the ceiling purely for art purposes rather than practical use. I guess what CinemaSins doesn't realise is that that was actually a map of the known world in WoW (that they knew at the time, they didn't know that the western continent of Kalimdor existed yet). So, it's kind of like having the map of the world, Sistine Chapel style, on the ceiling for artsy purposes.
It's not there to read it but as a convenient decoration, they certainly do not use it every day
Adrian Bastyr apparently they do because they didn't have a practical map around for her to use
+KappaKiller108 Do you carry a practical map of the whole world to use? A map of the whole world showing all the continents is pretty useless if you simply want a map to help you get where you need to go.
Jono98806 if I was a king/leader. and I was going to have an enemy combatant explain to me where they came from, yes, I'd probably have a map delivered from somewhere in my vast kingdom.
"Expositional time-wasting clan naming" I don't think it was wasting time, the clans are quite important in the lore.
The 3 most obvious sins I saw in this movie:
-On his first scene, Khadgar presents himself as "Guardian's Apprentice" (which is true in the original story) but later on the movie he shows no knowledge about Medivh, Karazhan, or anything barely related to the Guardian.
Looks like they wanted to make him look more of a detective than the student he should've been.
-Blackhand is the "leader of the Horde" in both movie and original story, but still clearly states he is "obeying orders" from Guldan, and acts like his lapdog.
-When Medivh first teleported into the throne room, every guard points weapons at him until the king dismisses them. That despites the fact there is a f***huge heroic statue of Medivh in the middle of the city, which you can see later on the movie. At the moment, he is even wearing the same clothes!!! And wielding the same staff!!! Are they expecting me to believe they hadn't recognized him?? The face you see every morning when you open your window?
well it could be a trick, as a guard it would be best to be wary at first, if they blindly attacked then yes that would be dumb, but taking position around a sudden appearance and readying your weapons is just basic military tactics
@@joeydehaeck419 facts right here
4:38 - I see Ben Foster mashed the worst parts from his character in "The Punisher" and Will Smith's character in "After Earth" and the director said "Brilliant!"
The video felt incredible rushed, the jokes would have written themselves if they put some review effort into it
Alfa Q Hard it's not a review
Alfa Q Hard He's going through a lot of personal stuff right now. He's been talking on Twitter about how his cat had a tumor and is practically dying, so he's got things to deal with. I'm just happy he put a video out. So, don't put him down too much, I'm sure you just didn't know.
+Great Guy no it's a bit of comedy, that wasn't funny because they didn't really point out the real flaws in it instead they just seemed to say what they didn't like about the movie.
naw i heard this on was rushed out early cause of inner life probs so it wasn't quite as good, sae for the past few ones too
Sator Collins-Forbes I would have just stoped making vids rather than let the quality go down.
I miss the days when this guy's remarks were actually documented
Despite being a fan of this movie, seeing my fellow fans rage about this in the comments brings me joy to no end.
Ikr. I love the Warcraft universe and the movie wasn't that bad. The main issue is that they tried to fit way too much into it for them to explain it all to newcomers. A sequel might help but honestly I would have preferred a series or setting instead.
Weird, because as a non-fan, watching all your fellow fans freak out also brings me endless joy.
@@luckybastrd618 I would have loved WC3 Arthas story as setting for the movie. But also enough story to make a movie trilogy out of that instead of a single movie.
@@bovverification yeah arthas could be the biggest success for a game based movie i wish they would skip over to arthas and just put the previous events(events in warcraft 2) in a 5 minutes or 10 minutes summary this way they could save money on effects cuz you know fantasy drawing style like those in the lord of the rings
Same, also horde forever
i was expecting an end clip being the birth of the orc baby being followed with "Looks like meat's back on the menu boys!"
I watched the movie without knowing anything about Warcraft and I liked it.
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Lol the entire video is point after point showing he has no idea about the source material for the movie. Like saying "hey game of thrones, what's with all these sword, just use guns you idiots hur hur hur"
It doesn't matte about the source material at all, it has everything to do with the actual movie. If the movie doesn't make sense to regular people they failed at story telling
I dunno, it made pretty damn good sense to me and I've never touched WoW. I feel like a lot of this was just nitpicking for the sake of nitpicking.
Bruh you're here lol
The books do not matter. Same deal here. If it can't be explained from something in the movie, it's a sin of the movie. CinemaSins, not SourceMaterialSins.
Lol the entire comment is point after point showing he has no idea about cinemasins and what those guys are doing. It's basically just crying about "DON'T MAKE FUN OF A OBJECTIVELY BAD MOVIE THAT IS BASED UPON A GAME I LIKE TO PLAY!!!!!!!!"
heh, funny, most of the sins you list off are mostly offshoots of inconsistencies between the movie and cannon lore, but the things that bugged me most as a fan of the series dont come up.
SPOILERS AHEAD
For example, Dalaran is not floating until Well after the 3rd War(Undead Scourge). The war this movie depicts is the 1st war.
Medivh was previously possessed by Sargeras, the leader of the Burning Legion(demon army of HOLY CRAP RUN)
Alodi was male, not female(according to the only visual depiction of him as the first guardian. Also, kirin tor existed when Alodi was around.)
Garona had a pair of daggers, not one. and she killed the human king in Stormwind, not in the middle of a war zone. THATS what sparked the brutal war we all know in game. She picked him off in his own keep, not being instructed to in the middle of a losing battle.
Orgrim was actually part of the Blackrock Clan, not Frostwolves. Aditionally, He was the second in command to Blackhand, their chieftain.
The draenei drained at the start were by the command of Kil'jaeden, "The Deciever" who originally gave Gul'dan his abilities.
The portal was largely self-sustaining once the framework was up.
They combined Kargath Bladefist(Shattered Hand) with Blackhand(Blackrock) into one character. Bladefist lost his right hand in combat. blackhand still had both of his until he was defeated by Doomhammer in combat for leadership of the horde while gul'dan was unconsious because magic stuff happens.
Holy crap, and this is when i look back and realize i wrote half an essay
Your 100% with everything. THIS is what is wrong with the movie, as a Warcraft fan.
This is really impressive. I don't know that much of the lore, so I didn't catch most of these mistakes. You could compete with the red shirt guy.
They aren't mistakes.
io9.gizmodo.com/director-duncan-jones-answers-all-your-burning-question-1781663557
It isn't unusual at all for things to have differences in say, book/comic book vs movie/ tv show. TWD and GoT, for example. Don't know why people would expect that to be different for a game.
lmillam1971 im not saying they werent intentional, but im saying, as a fan of the series and lore, i CONSIDER them to be a sin. im not saying i didnt like the movie, but i didnt like how they fiddled with lore, even if it was in some cases so more players recognized it, as was the case with dalaran
If youre a lore fan: Dont watch the movie. Its utter garbage in every single lore aspect. Watch it from a neutral pov: Fineish movie. Nothing splendid aside from the effects but nothing utterly shit either.
Despite what the blind Warcraft Stans have to say in the comments, it really is clear that this movie is utter dogshit, and I'm glad they will never be making another one like this.
It would be great to see a proper Warcraft movie or series that is more true to the source material, with a proper plot, actually talented writers, CGI that isn't complete trash or, even better - a completely animated picture just like WoW's shorts, better pacing, more original music, less campy sound effects and better sound design for battle and character voices that don't make your ears bleed, character designs that aren't butchered to look like freakish caricatures of themselves like Grom Hellscream, Blackhand, Medivh, Khadgar, and every single female orc.
This movie was a disgrace to the original creators of the Warcraft lore, the talented actors who put on a fantastic display despite the flaming trash-heap of a movie they were forced to act in, and an insult to anyone familiar with Warcraft's potential though their animation department and the incredible original plot of the first war before these hacks absolutely maimed it.
Be forgotten forever, you sorry excuse for a movie.
I remember watching this movie and realizing that these scenes mean nothing if you haven't already watched most of the game's orc-human storyline.
I honestly loved this movie. I didn't expect much, but it was really a good movie for me.
*Talking about:*
60% nitpicks
40% actual problems
60% nitpicks
10% jokes
25% just being wrong or stupid
5% actual problems
Samu nonyabuisness *YES!* You sir have indeed proven me wrong
Samu nonyabuisness Congrats on discovering the point of the videos.
Still hilarious and highly entertaining to watch though. XD
Are you new here? or just stupid
If he thought Doomhammer was worth the chieftain title then wait till he hears about HELLSCREAM!!!! :D:D:D:D
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!