hi friend, weird question, but my power button keeps flashing, and i cant seem to turn it on, while it is connected to my tv. i tried all, can u tell me how u powered it?
Just received mine today and I'm looking forward to testing and tinkering. I just emailed them requesting links for the flash tool and image files for Android and Ubuntu. Shipping was VERY fast. I received my unit in just 3 days after placing my order. I hope their tech support is also fast as I want to start testing ASAP.
@@Kevin-cc1xi Just email them and they'll send you download links for the images and flash tool. They mentioned that the Ubuntu image is a work in progress in regards to GPU acceleration but the Debian and Android images have full GPU acceleration.
I WANT ONE!!! It just seems like a GREAT little box to attech to the back of a TV have fun!!! THANK YOU for showing it to us!! I'm gonna go see how pricing is, if that's available... I REALLY wanna pick one up.. !!! :D
oh WOW!!! the prices are OUTSTANDING!!! right where I would expect them!!! - I did want to add that because these guys have SUCH GREAT encode/decode capabilities - would you be able to show us if it actually does those well??? - maybe do some video editing on them and see how the encode to different formats that it says it's capable of, and then run those same tests on other machines??? - it's starting to become a big deal of what chips can do when it comes to video editing and watching different formats, and being able to handle the newer formats is going to be a selling point (I just realized it doesn't AV1... :( ) - it's just something to think about doing int he future I guess... because testing just game-play on the GPU isn't pushing the limits anymore, because the chips have become so powerful..... so using encoding as a standard benchmark might be a simpler way to show performance instead of JUST emulation ... :)
@@Nobe_Oddy With Android you can play RUclips in 4K (VP9) and record the screen in 4K (h264) at the same time! The hardware should be able to decode AV1 at 4K.
The RK3588 may dominate in it's class for a little while to come. The next iteration of the Pi may have to go some to keep people interested. In 2022 though, the whole toothpick/pin solution for flashing is still silly and should be updated to something more practical. Coming to market early is certainly likely to put Mekotronics in some minds but when Radxa do enter the fray with theirs, I fear that it might take over, so Mekotronics might well need something to compete on price. Extremely impressive none the less and at a better price I would have snapped one up myself.
I dont see them as competitors. When Raspberry Pi 4 4GB is in stock, they are $80 here with psu, hdmi cable and a sd-card. This is $220 with taxes here, since I have to import it myself with import-taxes.
Very different target group there. I'm currently thinking about using rpi4 as openmediavault system. Not as emulator. If I'd want emulation good as it can be. Heck even ages old obsolete computers beat the S out of rpi in it. Especially if you throw anykind of GPU in. Heck old computers are pretty damn solid emulation computers even with onboard graphics. It's about power consumption.
Not everyone has a "more speed, more power" attitude, especially when it comes to SBCs. The fact that Raspberry Pi has so much support behind it, even magazines devoted to it, means that nothing else will compete with it any time soon. The other issues with SBCs is that the (normal) pricing of Raspberry Pi is very carefully thought out. If you're paying £80 for a Pi 4 with 8GB RAM, you can't go much beyond that as a price for an SBC without getting into the realms of Intel platforms as a better value for money option - you can pick up a good used Core-i5 laptop for around £120 and that will have a screen and keyboard with it also. I enjoy using Retropie and am a huge fan of emulation in general (and have been for years) but it does annoy me when all people see on these platforms is "games, games, games" and "how fast does Goldeneye run". SBCs like Raspberry Pi just happen to be good at emulation, plus they are cheap and convenient for building into cases and cabinets too - but all SBCs have applications in education, industry and IoT as well. Don't get me wrong, this SBC is impressive but its price alone makes it extremely niche - it's going to be mainly of interest to developers of edge devices where they may need extra computing power for complicated AI applications that can be put into a small box. But if I am planning to spend the equivalent of around $220 for a general usage or emulation/gaming machine, I am going to be looking for a used desktop or laptop for the same kind of money.
@@AndrewTSq I said next iteration. But as you did mention whilst in stock, the Pi 4 is being sold for much more because of the current climate, which in turn, also affects the price of other devices. So prices may well go down across the board when we see some stabilisation.
@@jothain The next Gen Pi will have to compete with these newer generation of boards which are a quantum leap in power and performance over the previous generations, so the Pi 5 can't stay too far behind. Eban Upton has also signalled his move away from the original core intention of the Pi, which earned it a charitable status to a pure financially driven company and for that, competition will be more ruthless, which could mean that the Pi may become a rather more expensive proposition going forward.
Video support is problematic with debian. We really need an Ubuntu or Arch based distro with newer packages. I think some video work is still going into mainline kernel for the 6.0 release.
Great video! Does the power button always flash like that on this device? I could understand the main drive blinking like that but the power? that would be rather annoying if it was in my line of sight.
Looking forward to getting one of these for tinkering. Your mention of UEFI firmware upcoming for this device peaked my interest as that my enable booting of Windows on ARM. More operating system choices are always welcome.
I rid myself of my Microsoft abuser when Windows 7 support ended, I have no interest in their products on any device, let alone SBCs. So, no, I do not welcome more Windows OSes on SBCs, I think they work against the "hobbyist" nature of using these devices and Windows in its current iterations has big problems with bloatware and privacy that should be of big concerns to those people who are so ready to deploy that rubbish. Likewise Google Android. Learn Linux - it is fast, efficient and it cares about you and your privacy, plus you're not paying a "Microsoft tax" when you use it.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 UEFI will make it a lot easier to install other Linux distros too. Otherwise you have to mess with the boot procedure, or wait until a distro releases a specific build for your machine.
@@LivingLinux I do not use UEFI if I have a choice between legacy BIOS and UEFI. On modern systems booting from SSD, UEFI has no speed benefit. From my perspective, UEFI went "hand in hand" with Secure Boot and Secure Boot was designed by Microsoft to put a "sticking plaster" over its own crappily designed OSes and to try to lock other OSes (i.e. Linux) out of PCs at the time Steve Ballmer was calling Linux a "cancer". I actually find UEFI far more difficult and fiddly to use than BIOS. I build my own kernels under Gentoo Linux anyway, and I turn UEFI off unless I have no other choice. I don't have to "mess with a boot procedure" at all - I compile the kernel, run a "make install" and "make modules install", go to the boot directory to delete any kernels I no longer want, then run a one-line "grub" command to update the boot loader. I don't need to "wait" for a build for a specific machine - I use Gentoo Linux only, I make my own builds for my own machines. So I don't understand what contribution you think you have made to the discussion at this point, because nothing you've said applies to my use case anyway.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 It doesn't work like that with ARM. Just check the ARM distros and see how many images they have for different boards. I have a Phytium D2000 and because of (U)EFI I'm able to boot a lot of ARM Linux distros and the maintainers probably have never touched a Phytium D2000.
@@LivingLinux Read the first sentence in my previous comment again. You have gone off on a complete tangent - I have no idea what a Phytium D2000 is and care even less at this moment in time. If I ever need to find out what one of those is, then it's because I have a computer engineering problem to solve and that particular device becomes a better candidate for solving that problem than all of the other devices that I do know about.
Received my unit today in just 3 days after placing my order. Susan, the lady who handled my order was very friendly and professional. They requested payment via PayPal and Susan will also generate an invoice if you request one.
I can't find anywhere in the UK to buy either of the models from. I see it on aliexpress but to be honest it's not good value, I can buy a full x86 laptop for the same price. I have a project where HDMI in would be very useful though then again that's easily added with a £10 dongle.
This link comes through the mekotronics website under contacts, online store $189 or $185 if you buy 100. 👍🏻 mekotronics.en.made-in-china.com/product/zEJUheuxWmWA/China-Rk3588-Real-8K-HDMI-HD-Digital-Signage-Media-Player-with-Android-12-OS-Linux-Debian-4-32g.html
Hello, thanks for the Review, could you say me, is ist possible to rotate the screen to 270 Degrees in Full Screen without Black Border? And the Play store is also preinstall Zoo? Thanks regards
As a last question, can you answer me which webview version is implemented? The problem I have is that the Fully Kiosk Browser APP needs a fairly new version, I now have a minix tv box where you can update via Google play but there you can not renew the implemented system WebView version.
I haven’t ordered one or been contacted by them. The Pi will still have a much bigger maker community, if you are running an os the MeLe is much more powerful but similar in size. Amazing Silent Ultra Mini PC. MeLe Quieter3Q N5105. ruclips.net/video/--zrxlx3O4M/видео.html
i imagine a lot of youtubers wouldnt be making videos if the companies werent sending them products for free advert. at least the youtubers are getting “paid” for their cheap commercial even though a lot of them think that just because they get to say what they want that they arent getting paid. hello you are getting a product and making a video of the product, so you Are getting paid for the advert. although i dont recall this guy saying specifically that he doesnt get paid. at least he states he got it free for an advert video and as far as i can remember he hasnt said he wasnt paid. so they think cause they dont get money they arent paid. what they dont realize is that companies are using them from cheap adverts….if this company went to a legit advertising business and asked for a commercial for this product, they probably couldnt afford it, so they sent youtube people their products for “free” so they get free advert from it. Letricbikes did this…..sent their bikes to a bunch of youtube bikers And rvers for free cheap adverts and sold a ton of bikes. very smart for companies to use socmedia for free adverts.
Prince of Persia Sands of time 2003 PS2 came out 2000 Emulation isn’t as simple as running on native hardware Try googling the original POP games didn’t look so good in 1989
It is amazing to me that no one in the Linux world seems to grasp that if you want Linux to go mainstream, you have to stop pushing it as a game machine! CHILDREN play games. Adults accomplish work. The fact that a lot of children are inhabiting adult bodies, does not change those facts.
thanks for the video, it is very interesting how the various SBC's differ in functionality.
this would be a great hdmi capture device :)
hi friend, weird question, but my power button keeps flashing, and i cant seem to turn it on, while it is connected to my tv.
i tried all,
can u tell me how u powered it?
I used the supplied adapter. Just switched it on
Just received mine today and I'm looking forward to testing and tinkering. I just emailed them requesting links for the flash tool and image files for Android and Ubuntu. Shipping was VERY fast. I received my unit in just 3 days after placing my order. I hope their tech support is also fast as I want to start testing ASAP.
Did you receive the flash tool and image files? Could you upload them to Google Drive if so?
@@Kevin-cc1xi Just email them and they'll send you download links for the images and flash tool. They mentioned that the Ubuntu image is a work in progress in regards to GPU acceleration but the Debian and Android images have full GPU acceleration.
Ubuntu 22.04 Mate has been released for Raspberry Pi can make a video on it
Thanks, I saw that on Toms Hardware. I will be trying it. 👍🏻
@@leepspvideo Great thank you
I WANT ONE!!! It just seems like a GREAT little box to attech to the back of a TV have fun!!! THANK YOU for showing it to us!! I'm gonna go see how pricing is, if that's available... I REALLY wanna pick one up.. !!! :D
oh WOW!!! the prices are OUTSTANDING!!! right where I would expect them!!! -
I did want to add that because these guys have SUCH GREAT encode/decode capabilities - would you be able to show us if it actually does those well??? - maybe do some video editing on them and see how the encode to different formats that it says it's capable of, and then run those same tests on other machines??? - it's starting to become a big deal of what chips can do when it comes to video editing and watching different formats, and being able to handle the newer formats is going to be a selling point (I just realized it doesn't AV1... :( )
- it's just something to think about doing int he future I guess... because testing just game-play on the GPU isn't pushing the limits anymore, because the chips have become so powerful..... so using encoding as a standard benchmark might be a simpler way to show performance instead of JUST emulation ... :)
@@Nobe_Oddy With Android you can play RUclips in 4K (VP9) and record the screen in 4K (h264) at the same time! The hardware should be able to decode AV1 at 4K.
The RK3588 may dominate in it's class for a little while to come. The next iteration of the Pi may have to go some to keep people interested. In 2022 though, the whole toothpick/pin solution for flashing is still silly and should be updated to something more practical. Coming to market early is certainly likely to put Mekotronics in some minds but when Radxa do enter the fray with theirs, I fear that it might take over, so Mekotronics might well need something to compete on price. Extremely impressive none the less and at a better price I would have snapped one up myself.
I dont see them as competitors. When Raspberry Pi 4 4GB is in stock, they are $80 here with psu, hdmi cable and a sd-card. This is $220 with taxes here, since I have to import it myself with import-taxes.
Very different target group there. I'm currently thinking about using rpi4 as openmediavault system. Not as emulator. If I'd want emulation good as it can be. Heck even ages old obsolete computers beat the S out of rpi in it. Especially if you throw anykind of GPU in. Heck old computers are pretty damn solid emulation computers even with onboard graphics. It's about power consumption.
Not everyone has a "more speed, more power" attitude, especially when it comes to SBCs. The fact that Raspberry Pi has so much support behind it, even magazines devoted to it, means that nothing else will compete with it any time soon.
The other issues with SBCs is that the (normal) pricing of Raspberry Pi is very carefully thought out. If you're paying £80 for a Pi 4 with 8GB RAM, you can't go much beyond that as a price for an SBC without getting into the realms of Intel platforms as a better value for money option - you can pick up a good used Core-i5 laptop for around £120 and that will have a screen and keyboard with it also.
I enjoy using Retropie and am a huge fan of emulation in general (and have been for years) but it does annoy me when all people see on these platforms is "games, games, games" and "how fast does Goldeneye run". SBCs like Raspberry Pi just happen to be good at emulation, plus they are cheap and convenient for building into cases and cabinets too - but all SBCs have applications in education, industry and IoT as well.
Don't get me wrong, this SBC is impressive but its price alone makes it extremely niche - it's going to be mainly of interest to developers of edge devices where they may need extra computing power for complicated AI applications that can be put into a small box. But if I am planning to spend the equivalent of around $220 for a general usage or emulation/gaming machine, I am going to be looking for a used desktop or laptop for the same kind of money.
@@AndrewTSq I said next iteration. But as you did mention whilst in stock, the Pi 4 is being sold for much more because of the current climate, which in turn, also affects the price of other devices. So prices may well go down across the board when we see some stabilisation.
@@jothain The next Gen Pi will have to compete with these newer generation of boards which are a quantum leap in power and performance over the previous generations, so the Pi 5 can't stay too far behind. Eban Upton has also signalled his move away from the original core intention of the Pi, which earned it a charitable status to a pure financially driven company and for that, competition will be more ruthless, which could mean that the Pi may become a rather more expensive proposition going forward.
Video support is problematic with debian. We really need an Ubuntu or Arch based distro with newer packages. I think some video work is still going into mainline kernel for the 6.0 release.
Another box i won't be able to get, as there are no uk suppliers
Mekotronics is looking for a distributor for Europe. But don't expect anything soon.
Have R58 HDMI Input?
Then It can streaming or upload to RUclips?
Great video! Does the power button always flash like that on this device? I could understand the main drive blinking like that but the power? that would be rather annoying if it was in my line of sight.
I just booted Debian again. The light kept flashing. I don’t remember it flashing with Android
I like it. Have you tried adding gnome extensions in Debian? When Ubuntu for the rpi was released a lot of gnome extensions didn’t work.
I haven’t
Can is use this device as plex server with debian or other os ?
Looking forward to getting one of these for tinkering. Your mention of UEFI firmware upcoming for this device peaked my interest as that my enable booting of Windows on ARM. More operating system choices are always welcome.
I rid myself of my Microsoft abuser when Windows 7 support ended, I have no interest in their products on any device, let alone SBCs.
So, no, I do not welcome more Windows OSes on SBCs, I think they work against the "hobbyist" nature of using these devices and Windows in its current iterations has big problems with bloatware and privacy that should be of big concerns to those people who are so ready to deploy that rubbish. Likewise Google Android.
Learn Linux - it is fast, efficient and it cares about you and your privacy, plus you're not paying a "Microsoft tax" when you use it.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 UEFI will make it a lot easier to install other Linux distros too. Otherwise you have to mess with the boot procedure, or wait until a distro releases a specific build for your machine.
@@LivingLinux I do not use UEFI if I have a choice between legacy BIOS and UEFI. On modern systems booting from SSD, UEFI has no speed benefit.
From my perspective, UEFI went "hand in hand" with Secure Boot and Secure Boot was designed by Microsoft to put a "sticking plaster" over its own crappily designed OSes and to try to lock other OSes (i.e. Linux) out of PCs at the time Steve Ballmer was calling Linux a "cancer".
I actually find UEFI far more difficult and fiddly to use than BIOS. I build my own kernels under Gentoo Linux anyway, and I turn UEFI off unless I have no other choice.
I don't have to "mess with a boot procedure" at all - I compile the kernel, run a "make install" and "make modules install", go to the boot directory to delete any kernels I no longer want, then run a one-line "grub" command to update the boot loader.
I don't need to "wait" for a build for a specific machine - I use Gentoo Linux only, I make my own builds for my own machines.
So I don't understand what contribution you think you have made to the discussion at this point, because nothing you've said applies to my use case anyway.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 It doesn't work like that with ARM. Just check the ARM distros and see how many images they have for different boards. I have a Phytium D2000 and because of (U)EFI I'm able to boot a lot of ARM Linux distros and the maintainers probably have never touched a Phytium D2000.
@@LivingLinux Read the first sentence in my previous comment again.
You have gone off on a complete tangent - I have no idea what a Phytium D2000 is and care even less at this moment in time. If I ever need to find out what one of those is, then it's because I have a computer engineering problem to solve and that particular device becomes a better candidate for solving that problem than all of the other devices that I do know about.
Really do want one of these but their webpage does not feel me with confidence. Doesn't look all that professional
Received my unit today in just 3 days after placing my order. Susan, the lady who handled my order was very friendly and professional. They requested payment via PayPal and Susan will also generate an invoice if you request one.
I can't find anywhere in the UK to buy either of the models from. I see it on aliexpress but to be honest it's not good value, I can buy a full x86 laptop for the same price. I have a project where HDMI in would be very useful though then again that's easily added with a £10 dongle.
This link comes through the mekotronics website under contacts, online store $189 or $185 if you buy 100. 👍🏻
mekotronics.en.made-in-china.com/product/zEJUheuxWmWA/China-Rk3588-Real-8K-HDMI-HD-Digital-Signage-Media-Player-with-Android-12-OS-Linux-Debian-4-32g.html
@@leepspvideo Thanks, I hadn't thought to click on Contact.
Hello, thanks for the Review, could you say me, is ist possible to rotate the screen to 270 Degrees in Full Screen without Black Border? And the Play store is also preinstall Zoo? Thanks regards
Android has a rotation app seen in this video. The play store is installed
Thanks for the quick answer good to hear that. I will order before china New year begin. Nice Weekend Greetings from Germany:)
As a last question, can you answer me which webview version is implemented? The problem I have is that the Fully Kiosk Browser APP needs a fairly new version, I now have a minix tv box where you can update via Google play but there you can not renew the implemented system WebView version.
Can you share your image files and flash tool that you received? I got my R58 in the mail but it came with no documentation.
Mekotronics will email you a link for both. It’s crucial to have the image for your exact box the r58 mini is different from the r58x
Good video
Is the mali gpu driver open sourced ?
I don’t know
Can it multiboot similar to PINNOS on the Raspberry Pi?
If someone makes the software for it
Please make a video tutorial on how to update/install python 3.10 on raspberrypi and make it default.
How to order this can you please help to order this r58x to India
See the online store link. I’m not sure what countries they ship to.
www.mekotronics.com/h-col-102.html
Are you getting a Hackboard 2 when it should be released ?
I haven’t ordered one or been contacted by them.
The Pi will still have a much bigger maker community, if you are running an os the MeLe is much more powerful but similar in size.
Amazing Silent Ultra Mini PC. MeLe Quieter3Q N5105.
ruclips.net/video/--zrxlx3O4M/видео.html
@@leepspvideo I think the next big thing is switch clones with ability to use as a PC . It could explode with a half decent price drop
Aino docking
Aino
Let's goooooo 1st
to much money for this old guy
i imagine a lot of youtubers wouldnt be making videos if the companies werent sending them products for free advert. at least the youtubers are getting “paid” for their cheap commercial even though a lot of them think that just because they get to say what they want that they arent getting paid. hello you are getting a product and making a video of the product, so you Are getting paid for the advert. although i dont recall this guy saying specifically that he doesnt get paid. at least he states he got it free for an advert video and as far as i can remember he hasnt said he wasnt paid. so they think cause they dont get money they arent paid. what they dont realize is that companies are using them from cheap adverts….if this company went to a legit advertising business and asked for a commercial for this product, they probably couldnt afford it, so they sent youtube people their products for “free” so they get free advert from it. Letricbikes did this…..sent their bikes to a bunch of youtube bikers And rvers for free cheap adverts and sold a ton of bikes.
very smart for companies to use socmedia for free adverts.
Uhm playing a 33 year old game on this hardware and it gets to 30FPS and you call this good in 2022? Prince of Persia was released in 1989.
Prince of Persia Sands of time 2003
PS2 came out 2000
Emulation isn’t as simple as running on native hardware
Try googling the original POP games didn’t look so good in 1989
It is amazing to me that no one in the Linux world seems to grasp that if you want Linux to go mainstream, you have to stop pushing it as a game machine! CHILDREN play games. Adults accomplish work. The fact that a lot of children are inhabiting adult bodies, does not change those facts.
It appears that you may not know just how big the gaming market is
@@esra_erimez yeah, kinda out of touch with reality
@@esra_erimez i know how big it is. Every pimply faced one of them!
Judging by your childish comment you have a lot of growing up to do yourself
Linux is already mainstream. In the server space Windows is a joke!