At 1:32, the caption should read "12V 2A PSU", not "12V 2W PSU". My apologies for this error. Actual power consumption at idle and load is measured later in the video. :)
Another great video! I used this very same computer last year to install Ocotoprint because of the scarcity of the Raspberry Pis. I purchase another B1 to run Klipper/Fluid connected to my Ender3 (and two spares preloaded with Octoprint). These are slow, but perform better than the Pi (IMHO). I purchased other computers from Bmax last year as well, but the upgraded version using AMD Ryzen processors. One to host my Shapeoko and the other to host a dedicated Valheim server. As you may have guessed already, I am a fan of these mini computers. 🙂 Thank-you for creating this awesome video, and I look forward to your next one on how to add GPIO.
Great review. You told me everything I needed to know about this pc. I'll never understand how reviewers can take a low power mini pc like this, run games and say it's rubbish because they are trying to game on it. You tested this pc in a way that the makers intended it to be used. For that I commend you.
There are many kinds of gamers. Anyone trying to run current top of the line new hotness games on such is going to need to turn down a lot of options... but Kerbal Space Program is a good test for the "Economically Challenged Gamer" - turn down the video qualioty a bit, and it runs just fid. (But I still lose Jed on mission 1..._)
It's funny because some people spending way over 1.000 euros just for an graphics card, then ranting mini-pc's like this are crap. Like with cheap android-smartphones they will serve about 90% of normal users daily perfecly fine.
I've been deploying the Beelink mini-PC's to some of my clients that don't need anything more than a N5095 to web browse and check their email. People really like these and they are easy to set up and maintain. And they sip power which is also a good thing. Thanks Chris for the video on these. I think these mini PC's are the way to go for general computing for non-power users.
B-MAX has some models with that very same processor. It's actually a very easy deployment for having a computer at a very little price. Specially if it has a VGA port so you can use any cheap screen.
They're useful for more than casual users. What they aren't good for is graphics heavy games. Intel UHD isn't bad, but it's not supported well in new games.
They are also great for a media computer. You can use ad block for streaming purposes, and you can plug in an external hard drive, or have a network drive to play videos as well. It also can be used for classic video games.
You can never have too many computers. Mini PCs are a great option for running game servers, bot servers, filling out a dual or triple PC setup, Discord server, CCTV security systems, stream computer (although not this cheaper one of course), the possibilities are endless 😀
I love mini PCs. I have a Beelink GTR6 at the moment. It was kind of expensive I guess, but so far the performance has been fantastic and I love how small the unit is. I am sold on the concept.
I use the GTR6 (32gig mem) to run ProxMox (virtualisation software) and it runs perfectly fine with several virtual instances (including windows 10) - since it has 2 ethernet ports so I also runs opnSense (router/firewall/dns/filtering) without any problems - it's a perfect high end virtualization for in the home to be honest.
My mom needed a new computer, I offered to help her out with that and she was worried I was going to come up with something like my full size ATX case power-gaming behemoth! But I ended up getting her the Beelink U59. The windows updates were a bit slow but after that process was over it works flawlessly for her needs, and she still can't get over the form factor!
Mini-pcs are intended for this role (as they usually hang on vesa support of your huge tv and reaching for a button is not a common task), they are your typical media-players and servers (thou there are models ar 750-1000$ price range that can do Cyberpunk 2077 at 50fps at medium settings, way outperforming consoles). In fact, I think Chris will soon realize the main feature all mini-pc reviewers look at first is whether or not bios supports ac power-back option ;-)
modern x86 hardware is definitely not CISC. there's tons of microcode, accelerated paths and co-processing, SIMD, GPU cores and god knows what else inside a modern cpu package. the instruction set no longer has much to do with what the hardware actually looks like.
Looks promising as a nice little FreeBSD machine.... could also be a good little emulation games centre. Cheers Chris, you are providing a valuable and much loved service with your videos.... many thanks.
That thing is priced perfectly considering it's about as powerful as its competition, a used desktop from 2007. It also has the benefit of being much more compact and power efficient. The only downside is inferior I/O, but that's more than acceptable given the form factor.
Chris, I have quite a few of these. The BMAX the Ser5, AK1...I put Linux on them. Thanks for the wonderful videos. I am always happy when I see a new video from you in my feed.
Interesting review, I have a couple of similar mini pc's, mine are based on the J4125 cpu and can accept an internal ssd - both with W10 pro installed and activated. A bit more expensive at £150 from Amazon but very reliable, both mine run 24/7 decoding satellite aero data, over a 24 hour period they consume an average of 13 watts/hour so nice and cheap to run
Thank you for this video. I never know which of the Amazon brands to trust (been burned by no-name hardware in the past), but I can always count on you for a comprehensive review. I’m also very amused by the message on the plastic bag; this is the manufacturer recommending users to bypass setting up with an online Microsoft account!
This is, I think, the supplier trying to avoid complaints in the Amazon comments that the first boot takes so long (because of picking and processing the Windows updates). An issue they have now dealt with in a more dramatic fashion!
@@ExplainingComputers yeah, I think it's to avoid first boot performance issues. A little Celeron takes a LONG time to do all it's updates in the background and the computer is very stuttery during that time. Especially a fanless dual core.
Can 100% see myself getting one of these for the living room TV as a multimedia device for emulators, RUclips, and other miscellaneous things. Thanks for the video!
As many have said, I bought one for my father and it is a nice device. For what I do, it is slow. I have the minis forum B550 and it is a montar, several times biguer and very fast without a external graphic card, but for a wroser, check the news, some videos etc is perfect. Very good deal, 77 euros is fair price.
"A few bits of string and a small piece of cheese" - BRILLIANT !! I see they do make a Windows 11 version for $30US more with a slightly beefier Snaileron processor. Thanks again for another informative Sunday morning.
Great video again! What I like about it is that you can boot from the M.2, meaning that when the internal storage starts to fail, the computer it not automatically junk. An 8GB version with 4 or more cores would be fantastic as well.
Look for the Beelink MINI S N5095 on their website. Yes, it costs somewhat more at 159/169 (128/256 Gb storage versions), but it does have 8GB RAM, true SSD storage instead of "SD card soldered to a board eMMC", and a 4-core CPU far superior to the one in this video scoring 3,5 or so times better in PassMark. Both are Celerons, but the N3350 is shockingly old, released in late 2016. The N5095 is not last gen but it is a late '21 model, much more reasonable.
Question : 1 - When you say , can boot from M.2 ,,,, does that mean the Operating System ( in this case ,, Windows 10 Pro ) can be moved / reloaded to the M.2 storage ? 2 - Will then the onboard storage be wiped clean ? 3 - Do you then just change the BOOT menu ,, for it to boot from M.2 drive ? ( Thanks , anybody ,, for added info ,,,,,, kind of new to the computer game ) .
If you want more memory and cores, you should seriously consider just getting a used Micro PC off of eBay. I just picked up a Dell with a 4C i5-7500t, 16GB, 128GB, and W10 Pro, and a 1-yr warranty (a real 1-yr warranty provided from SquareTrade under the "eBay Refurbished" program) for $150 shipped. A lot more power than one of these units for not a lot of additional coin.
I replaced my wife’s HP desktop PC with a Beelink Mini S (256GB). I upgraded it to 16GB and added another SSD to the empty 2.5” bay. It meets her needs for social media and crafting with vinyl cutters and 3D printer. Really impressed with these tiny single board x86 computers.
This is a significant improvement on the Chillblast WAP Pro that I purchased for 140 GBP in 2019. RAM is 50% larger and installed MMC drive is twice as big. The main drawback with the WAP Pro was the 32GB MMC drive used for Windows 10 installation. There were constant problems with "feature updates" which led to my using Win2USB to run Win 10 from an external SSD drive. I have recently seen a RUclips video installing a light-weight version of Win 11 which would probably suit this machine, but by the time Win 10 reaches end-of-life, there may be another inexpensive machine available. As always, a very well explained and useful video from you'
I could see this being really nice for a home Nintendo emualtor for their older systems like the GB, GBC and GBA. Should be able to do DS on it as well and other games like PS1 and the like. Arcade games as well.
Wow dude, not what I was expecting at all. Excellent video, great review! I was expecting that this thing would probably be pretty laggy and not useful for much. I'm really glad you used it to test GIMP on it because that would be the the thing I would primarily used it for. This video popped up in my suggestions, I was curious, I was impressed & I subscribed to your channel! Well done ole chap
Thanks for your comments. Sadly, 10 days after week after this video was posted, the Bmax B1 Plus has sold out everywhere. However, look back to the opening of the video where I show an Amazon search, and you will see there are several other mini PCs in the same price range. I've not tested them all, but am confiddent that they will deliver the same kind of user experience. GIMP on a c.$100 Mini PC with a Celeron processor and 4 or 6GB or RAM will not be the faster ever, but as the video showed, will be perfectly usable.
Amazing as always, Chris. In fact I do use the Mini PCs that I got for review. The U59 Pro is a NAS server in our house and the SEi12 Pro is in fact my new production machine 💪🙏
I like tiny PCs like this. Very energy efficient, and easy to work with when you want to upgrade. A lot of the newer ones can also comfortably emulate video games up to the PS2.
Up until now we have favored laptops for their size and portability. But, If I can strap one of these on the back of a monitor, add a wireless trackball and keyboard, I may be making a change. Besides, having to replace HP laptops every couple of years because the right side display hinge ALWAYS seams to break This may be the answer I am looking for.
Nice video, thanks Chris. I got one of these small PCs for my Mum after her laptop suffered water (cup of tea!) damage. The nice thing was I could just transpose the M.2 SSD from her laptop to the new PC and it brought everything across nicely for her! As you say perfectly serviceable for some web browsing, email, word processing, etc. and nice and compact sitting behind the monitor :)
I bought a mini pc a couple of years ago to run a hobby cnc and laser . It's been nothing but great these little machines are great for a couple of apps that don't require a lot of horsepower to do things in a dirty environment . This machine seems very impressive for the price. Pity amazon already says no stock 😕
I use similar $100 computers, running Windows 10 Pro, as "harvesters" for Chia. The "Pro" version of Windows allows me to use Remote Desktop to view and run anything on them. No waiting a moment for my monitor to sync up from one box to the next. Similar to the Bmax B1, my $100 boxes are fanless (so no noise, and low power). One thing you did not cover, that I took note of for my $100 PCs, is that a simple file copy would use north of 50% of CPU cycles, according to Task Manager. For me, it does not matter, because of my use case. But I have never seen a PC labor over a file copy. I would think that even a Celeron CPU could handle that as a yawn. But apparently not.
This is interesting hardware to run a little home server on. I now run Home Assistant and some other basic server applications on an old Mac Mini with Ubuntu Server, but I think this little computer could be a much more power-efficient solution. Thanks for the great video again!
Yes, they are. I would normally recommend a raspberrypi for such a case, but since those are in short supply right now, these makes great alternatives.
Unlike most people (seemingly) on here? I am NOT a computer do-it-yourselfer. So I REALLY appreciate you covering this computer, in particular. And even though I am not a hardcore geek? I love your channel and watch it regularly. ☮
I went and purchased this. This will be good for off-grid use as the power requirements are low. Also it being powered by 12 vdc is a bonus too. Having access to Windows is useful too but for 95% of its use it will be running the new Debian.
It's a real shame they biffed the deal with only a 64GB drive. You really can't do anything substantial with this device, until you add external drives. Geez. Thanks for showing this.
Good Video. But i would never use this kind of preinstalled Windows. Its a very big security Risk. I dont mind the Volume Activation but you never know what other things have been modified. Reinstall Windows to be safe. (I know it can take ages.) And Keys are not that expensive.
Awesome review. To properly test Gimp you need to open a photographic image, add some layers and a few brushstrokes and distortions. This eats massive amounts of memory and you will quickly find the machine's limits
To be honest most people wouldn't. They would throw together a poster for a community group once every couple of months if it was an older/super budget conscious person owning one of these.
A kind of simple (hardware wise) way to get GPIO on a PC is to buy an inexpensive Arduino board and communicate with it over a USB connection. It's a fairly simple task to get access to the ports on an Arduino board. Also if you have a Pi Zero you can so the same.
Just ordered one in the US with a $10 off coupon so tax included it was only $95 US quite a good deal for a low power mini to run pi hole and maybe a few other apps on my home network, thank you for the testing, it is much appreciated especially with the shortage of SBC’s at the moment. I’m guessing they will sell out quickly now that the video is out🤣
I have an Ouvislite branded version of this machine that only cost $98.99 USD back in Nov. '22 (they're now $120+), and it also came with Win 10, which I dumped immediately and installed Koozali SME server to run as the 'gateway' machine for my internal network. It has been online pretty much 24-7 ever since. Totally silent, runs cool, and has never crashed. The only mod I've done is add 1 USB>1GB Ethernet port for the WAN side of my network and all is good to go! Pretty impressive tiny little box!😉
I picked up an N5105 and am quite impressed with it. It work really well as a basic desktop replacement. It happy runs linux mint, no troubles so far. Some of the specs: 2xHDMI, 4xUSB3.0, microSD, 8gb of ram. I added a 2280 nvme, disabled the emmc to disable win11. I am quite pleased.
The N5105 is actually the performance equivalent of an Intel Core2Quad Q9550 (95w) but at a frugal 10w TDP! we've come along way. you can pick up a mini PC with an N5105 for $120 now. a much better and snappier prospect than a $100 dual core N3350. Interestingly, just upgraded an old socket 775 Q9550 PC to 8GB of DDR3 RAM and an SSD the other day - runs Windows 10 great and is still perfectly good as a daily driver PC, especially after I stuck in an old Radeon HD 7870 dedicated GPU. Streams 4k content, does gaming emulation and even the odd AAA game at lower resolutions pretty well. you aint gonna win any efficiency awards though, as on older manufacturing nodes, this will consume more power. The new alder lake low power Intel N100 is even faster than the N5105 but that is generally around $160 and is locked to single channel memory. The N5105 is still the ultra low power x86 bang for buck king for now.
And when Chris says you can cheaply add GPIO pins, he means it. Amazon prices a GPIO to USB kit for less than $19. Other sites may be cheaper. Unless the SBC people can lower their prices, there is almost no reason to buy one of their ARM-based machines. After all, why pay more for a machine that actually has less capability? Great video.
It’s strange that it has a volume lic and some pre installed browser. It probably explains why it asked you not to connect the network on first boot. I would be suspicious of malware on the box.
Iv'e had the B1 for 3 years and the B3 for 2 years. These both play roles as HTPCs(home theater PC), one in my livingroom and one in my bedroom. I am happy with both of these for running media and light duty computer work. I love how quiet they are and using off-grid solar, I love the low power consumption.
Impressive performance for a low cost mini PC. I like that is comes with Windows 10 Pro and you can dual boot it with Linux (switched in BIOS). Fanless and low power are also good. I think these devices make useful mini servers (local or remote). Thanks for the excellent review.
You could make a neat little low-power homelab cluster/kubernetes playground with a few of these. But for just a bit more you can buy secondhand TinyMiniMicro PC's that have a lot more power. Last time I tried dual booting I did it the way you showed, but Windows would trash the Linux bootloader every Windows Update ran so now Windows has been banned completely from my PC. Microsoft just can't play nice with others, can they?
I'm very surprised to hear that a Windows update interfered with a bootloader another drive, formatted with a non-Windows file system. I've never had this problem when Windows and Linux are on seperate drives, with the other drive not present when each OS was installed. But as you say, Microsoft does not always play nice.
I've actually had the opposite issue, i've had a GRUB2 corruption wipe out the Windows bootloader on another drive, for me it's Linux that can't play well with Windows, but that aside, I will be looking into TinyMiniMicro for either Kubernetes or Proxmox clustering, while second hand Enterprise gear can be cheap to buy (other than the HDDs and Caddies... why ebay sellers you scalp on Caddies?), they're not so cheap to run, oh and they're noisy
I'm glad you covered these Chris. I bought a Beelink Series 3 that's mounted on the back of my monitor and am pretty happy with it. I still love my raspberry pi's though. ☺️ I a appreciate the attention to detail of your videos, like having the pc centered and squared in the video frame! 👌
That little PC did surprisingly well! I think a couple of my favorite things about it is the low power consumption and the fact that it has Windows 10 Pro installed on it. It handles Linux Mint quite nicely too. I think it'd be good as an emergency PC for when the main one goofs up or you're on vacation and need to back up photos of, say, the sunrise or your ice cream getting stolen by an eagar seagull or whatever. As another person commented, it'd also be great for putting retro emulators on there! All in all, a good mini PC with SBC vibes and another solid review.
@@ExplainingComputers Thanks! I thought that one up REAL quick. Just don't get sand on the PC and/or in the ports and hope that the seagull doesn't break in using magic bird powers and try to crap on it. 😅
I believe it was around 2016, when MS made some changes to their license agreement and a bunch of Windows 8.1 microcomputers came into the market, due to the increased leniency that allowed them to essentially sell them with Windows pre-installed for "free", as in, no additional license payments to MS by the manufacturer. This current stock of W10, specifically Pro although they are a specific fork of it, carreis the legacy of that same release program. Their reasoning, well, who can say for certain without breaking an NDA, but generally speaking it's about improving commercial relations with the Chinese consumer market. Quirks of that fork include some specifications to their support program, hiding under the "pro" moniker the fact that they are in some way more of a, buyer beware type of product. Caveat emptor. Somebody might suggest surveillance bloatware, which can't be ruled out, but I think it's mostly to wash their hands from any responsibility for free updates. You have to wonder, why would a small Chinese upstart who jsut want to sell you a neat device, want you to make sure that the first thing you do with the PC, is NOT to let it ping home through the internet. Perhaps so that Windows stock virus defenses get to activate first. Before the Chinese government activates for you.
@@sboinkthelegday3892 - I suspect it's because it'll fire off windows updates for you as part of the initial login (that, and the 'sign in with a microsoft account'). Both will end up dragging out the initial loading by that 3 hours he talked about.
Aamazon offered me a 15 dollar coupon which thankfully helped me get rid of the shipping costs. Looking forward to playing around with this. I plan on using it to test Linux distros.
I noticed right away that this mini PC uses the same processor as my Chromebook from 2019 (HP model ca051wm). It has less memory (4GB instead of 6GB), less storage (32GB instead of 64GB), and this model of Celeron was released wa-ay back in Q3 of 2016. The price was $200 new in 2019. With depreciation I would consider the value to be roughly equivalent to this mini PC, with the tradeoff being operating system (Chrome OS instead of Windows 10) and portable (with screen) vs stationary. The Chromebook also has two USB-C ports which can be used for devices, video output or power-in... so there's that, too. No opinion on one being better than the other - just different options for different users.
Thank you my dear sir. You gave us what most of us wanted in a review without showboating about how smart you are (when you are indeed highly intelligent), and you mercifully avoided all that gamer nonsense that others bore us with. Look, I love the gaming aspect, but I have PCs and consoles for this, and other PCs and rigs for other stuff like HD video encoding, etc. If you want high end stuff for this you really do have to spend more than $100, which is something too many folks don't want to understand. All I wanted was just another little PC to kick around the house for some smaller tasks without spending much more cash, and wanted a real review of it without having to sludge through seemingly endless footage on fighting or racing games, or whatever. Thanks so much. I picked one up since because of this review, and absolutely love it for what it's meant for.
@@ExplainingComputers Yes indeed. You review what is relevant to the product and I appreciate this. I will continue to watch and benefit from your videos. Thanks again. Subbed.
Chris, Not to steal your thunder, but when 4G Pi 4 are running $150 on Amazon, this mini pc with a $7 pi pico seems like a pretty good replacement. Another great video.
Marvellous. I have an old XP PC that employs a two bits of string and an old piece of cheese interface but the string has to be wet. Can't wait for the PC + GPIO installment. Thank you.
I hope parents and grandparents are watching this awesome video, this is the perfect gift for children/or casual users (And, It doesn't break the wallet). Also you can use as a guest computer for visitors (That way your data stays separate). I own one myself, it's just for, what you said: media watching and lite computer tasks, that's it (Which is perfect for casual users only, sorry gamers you will have to look at something more powerful). As usual another complete Sunday, Thank You, Christopher, have a good rest of your weekend. As Always, Be Smart and Stay Safe.
hi for all of the people maybe tempted to buy this from your affiliate link. Please remember that the power adapter is from the US when you use the link provided. great video by the way.. thanks
Windows update has most likely been disabled with the Group Policy Editor, which is available on all versions of Win10 Pro, not just volume licenses. I used GPE to disable automatic updates on my system, which has a retail license.
I bought Win10 Pro key from scdkeys and go figure it does this same thing about auto updates disabled by Group Policy. Is there an easy way to change that?
@@utp216 Open Group Policy Editor and go to the folder indicated below. Change any setting listed as Enabled to Not configured, and then restart. Local Computer Policy --> Computer Configuration --> Administrative Templates --> Windows Components --> Windows Update
I was able to get an even physically smaller mini PC, with a J4125, 512GB storage and 8GB RAM for $101 USD from the US version of the same retailer. All the specs are basically double or more this machine - more storage, ram, double the cores, higher clock speed - for a similar price. The one lacking thing with the particular unit I bought is ports as it is physically a very tiny device (one HDMI, 2x USB3, and maybe a Type-C IIRC). If this unit is too slow, there are deals to be found for faster new tiny PCs. An alternative are used or refurbished micro business PCs which are often faster than these Atom-based units and sometimes hit this price point.
it never fails to amaze me just how affordable computing power has gotten over the last 40 years. when I started with microcomputers in the late 70s, you could expect to easily pay over $1k for an 8-bit system that you could take out of the box, attach a TV and start "computing," if you could call typing in lines of BASIC code or loading a program from cassette "computing." 😀 Nowadays, for less than $100/£100, you can buy a piece of hardware with an actual operating system and software and do Actual Work. it's amazing. one thing I'd like to point out is that the 12v power this PC uses should be of interest to ham radio enthusiasts and other off-grid or mobile-computing users. coupled with one of those lithium-battery car-jump-start modules, you can have a PC that runs for days w/o having to be plugged in while communing with nature. it's certainly true a Celeron isn't as cutting-edge as the latest ARM or RiscV hardware, but it's hard to argue with the value you get. Assuming you could get your hands on one, by the time you total the cost of a Pi4, a case, a PS, video cable, heatsink (and optionally, M.2 storage) you likely will have invested a bit more coin there than on this mini system and its runs-out-of-the-box experience. Thanks for the video!
I got one of the slightly more upmarket mini PCs (an Acemagician) last month for my girlfriend, and honestly she's thrilled with it. It's small, it's quiet, more than enough power to do what she wanted (browsing, web based games) even in the 9w eco mode. It makes you think really.
Neat, I recently bought an old intel NUC i5 5300u 8/128 gb for my father for roughly the same price I'd personally reinstall after seeing that automatic windows update policy being changed
Outstanding value for money, especially with that M.2 expansion slot. I work in IT, and 64/128GB is fine to install Windows 10 to begin with, but it won't work for long because Windows will update and grow in size to the point where it just can't update anymore because there isn't enough space left. This is why they have disabled windows update. 128GB is absolute bare minimum and still not enough. 256GB is the best minimum amount. I've repaired several Notebook PCs with this exact issue and the only way around it is to download the latest windows ISO and install from scratch as this newer ISO will contain a lot more updates pre installed. Anyway great video
Thanks for the great video Chris, and this looks like a good simple, and cheap solution for my Church's library running Solus Linux attached to the back of some budget monitors. We are currently running 4 machines using a mix of old Dell/HP desktops, and I was considering some used Lenovo ThinkCentre Tiny systems, but this looks to be an even better solution, as they won't be doing much more than office work, and simple online tasks.
I greatly enjoyed your video while tearing up a bit. Almost 30 years ago I used to pay $100 for a TimexSinclair 1000 (ZX81). I impress on my children when it comes to all electronic devices - SMALLER, CHEAPER, FASTER as time goes by.
I love how you just casually gloss over the 3 hour update process that windows took!!! That's enough time to test out several linux distros and settled on the one that you really like!!! This would be a beast of a Chromebox running ChromeOS Flex. This is exactly the sort of machine that I would buy if I was after a cheap computer in a small form factor. It possible to repurpose "old" hardware and have an excellent computing experience (there's so MUCH of it around!!) but that old kit really finds it hard to compete with the low power consumption that these modern boards have. And fanless as well! Thanks for the excellent review.
After seeing this video, I went to Amazon to order one. First review said it was loaded with malware. Recommended to wipe the hard drive and reload with a clean copy on windows. The unit I purchased was indeed loaded with malware. I wiped the drive and installed a clean copy of windows and now this mini pc runs great and auto updates as it should. Using it to monitor some sensors and for some ham radio stuff.
None at all. After wiping the hard drive completely, I installed Windows from a copy I downloaded directly from Microsoft. Installed and activated without issue.
Your last 2 videos have been my favorites in the last 3 months of viewing. Great job on keeping the channel dynamic. While I like the raspberry pi videos, that subject doesn’t hold my interest as well as these last 2 topics. Just a little feedback from a long time subscriber. Thanks again Chris!
I never thought a USB 3 port would be the fastest storage option on a machine. Leave it to a Celeron-based system to surprise me in one way or another. It was once in a good way. The Celeron 300A through the Celeron 400 MHZ range was actually as good as if not better for gaming than the Pentium II range at the same clock speed range back in the day. Oh, and the Celeron 300A most of the time could be overclocked to 450MHZ to take on Intel's flagship... Well, the Celeron D almost killed any thought of that line of processors ever having any respect in computing again, so here we are...
Thank you. I had always wondered how one of these mini PCs would compare to some of the SBCs you've reviewed. Next to SBCs, I find these mini PCs fascinating. Needless to say, I always enjoy the humor you include in your videos! Appreciated your testing Linux on the mini PC. If you ever run across a mini PC running Windows 11 at this price in the future, I'd be interested to see how it performs and your valued opinion of the thing. Oh yes, looking forward to your video on adding GPIO pins a PC...hopefully this mini PC. As always, looking forward to you next video!
It’s now quite astonishing what these cheap computers can do. I remember running 8088 chips many years ago. They were so much more expensive but also it shows how much technology has improved over the intervening years. Thanks for another excellent film.
Good morning Chris! As always a pleasure to start my Sunday off with one of your videos. This is an amazing little box. Two questions come to mind: 1. Would this be appropriate for a home automation set up such as running home assistant or, perhaps node-red w MQTT? 2. Well I was about to comment about wanting GPIO pins and associated support, but you just suggested that you will address this shortly. Good. Thanks!
Seems like this could be a quite decent file server. What we need is some sort of USB based GPIO board so we could do many of the things the PI4 does now. With GPIO control but using one of these mini-pc's instead of a PI.
Bonjour Chris, Thank you for including the Dual Boot configuration, as it's a great option if one needs both systems. I wonder how tiny 11 will run on this configuration compare to an ARM based chip. Looking forward to you GPIO extension presentation.
This would be wonderful as a streaming PC. Hook it up to a television, use a bluetooth mouse/keyboard and use it for movies via USB drive or through streaming websites without having to deal with ads.
I have had my BMax for quite some time! It is on my treadmill desk where I check my email and read Scripture each morning. It seems to run basic things well and the video has always been great! It is ideal for these applications! Thanks for reviewing it!
Good review Chris. I've looked at quite a few mini PCs, and the installs all look like a OOBE reset or duplicated image of one. I've found that reinstalling Windows will still activate and not have those things like auto updates turned off and a good security practice.
Another informative video! I've been wondering what to replace my 12 year old ThinkPad Edge with when it eventually dies and these mini PCs seem ideal for what it's used for. I just use it to play music and music videos so it doesn't need to be a powerhouse! I like the idea of disabling the onboard storage and booting Linux from an NVMe SSD! Food for thought!
At 1:32, the caption should read "12V 2A PSU", not "12V 2W PSU". My apologies for this error. Actual power consumption at idle and load is measured later in the video. :)
The letters A & W are indeed very close on the keyboard and could easily be mistaken
I also had same thought how could something consume 2W at 12V 😅
Thanks for the correction, but it's all good, as we are all only human, and humans are imperfect.
Another great video! I used this very same computer last year to install Ocotoprint because of the scarcity of the Raspberry Pis. I purchase another B1 to run Klipper/Fluid connected to my Ender3 (and two spares preloaded with Octoprint). These are slow, but perform better than the Pi (IMHO). I purchased other computers from Bmax last year as well, but the upgraded version using AMD Ryzen processors. One to host my Shapeoko and the other to host a dedicated Valheim server. As you may have guessed already, I am a fan of these mini computers. 🙂
Thank-you for creating this awesome video, and I look forward to your next one on how to add GPIO.
What´s that Ampmeter/Wattmeter model? Any amazon links? Thanks.
Great review. You told me everything I needed to know about this pc. I'll never understand how reviewers can take a low power mini pc like this, run games and say it's rubbish because they are trying to game on it. You tested this pc in a way that the makers intended it to be used. For that I commend you.
a Celeron 3XXX is good for nothing. not even chrome os flex. maybe Lubuntu. definitely not windows 10
@@giorgio5789 my Celeron mini PC is going 3 years strong with Fedora 37. What exactly do you want to do with it that is so lacking for you?
There are many kinds of gamers. Anyone trying to run current top of the line new hotness games on such is going to need to turn down a lot of options... but Kerbal Space Program is a good test for the "Economically Challenged Gamer" - turn down the video qualioty a bit, and it runs just fid. (But I still lose Jed on mission 1..._)
If it can't run 16gb ram minimum spec AAA games, its not a computer. =p
It's funny because some people spending way over 1.000 euros just for an graphics card, then ranting mini-pc's like this are crap. Like with cheap android-smartphones they will serve about 90% of normal users daily perfecly fine.
I've been deploying the Beelink mini-PC's to some of my clients that don't need anything more than a N5095 to web browse and check their email. People really like these and they are easy to set up and maintain. And they sip power which is also a good thing. Thanks Chris for the video on these. I think these mini PC's are the way to go for general computing for non-power users.
B-MAX has some models with that very same processor. It's actually a very easy deployment for having a computer at a very little price. Specially if it has a VGA port so you can use any cheap screen.
They're useful for more than casual users. What they aren't good for is graphics heavy games. Intel UHD isn't bad, but it's not supported well in new games.
I've had my Beelink for just over 1 year and I am very happy. I mainly use it for Video Streaming in 1080P and it works great.
They are also great for a media computer. You can use ad block for streaming purposes, and you can plug in an external hard drive, or have a network drive to play videos as well. It also can be used for classic video games.
@@WilliamHostman Will it work okay for doing work in Adobe Lightroom?
This seems like an ideal “Mom and Dad need a new desktop” computer. Everything they need in a small and silent package.
Omg 😳 good point! mum needs a new computer. Has ancient HP hooked up to external using Mint. This is Perrrrrrfect
Ageist, never feel bad about being none PC. Maybe get one they can attach to a watermill or windmill.
Ah yes small package, something I’m very familiar with
Very true. In fact my dad now uses a BeeLink U59 Pro as his daily. 😁
You can never have too many computers. Mini PCs are a great option for running game servers, bot servers, filling out a dual or triple PC setup, Discord server, CCTV security systems, stream computer (although not this cheaper one of course), the possibilities are endless 😀
Love how Chris doesn't beat around the bush.
Clear, concise, just the important facts.
I rarely miss a video from him.
I love mini PCs.
I have a Beelink GTR6 at the moment.
It was kind of expensive I guess, but so far the performance has been fantastic and I love how small the unit is.
I am sold on the concept.
I use the GTR6 (32gig mem) to run ProxMox (virtualisation software) and it runs perfectly fine with several virtual instances (including windows 10) - since it has 2 ethernet ports so I also runs opnSense (router/firewall/dns/filtering) without any problems - it's a perfect high end virtualization for in the home to be honest.
@@Vampier
Sounds good.
I just use mine as an everyday PC - for a little work, media and gaming.
@@JB.zero.zero.1 it's a very capable computer for the size :)
My mini PC is pretty capable but it does have a 12th gen i7 and 32GB of RAM.
My mom needed a new computer, I offered to help her out with that and she was worried I was going to come up with something like my full size ATX case power-gaming behemoth! But I ended up getting her the Beelink U59. The windows updates were a bit slow but after that process was over it works flawlessly for her needs, and she still can't get over the form factor!
That power consumption is impressive for a CISC processor. Perfect for use as a 24/7 PC where you don't want to worry about the power bill.
It is really impressive for a full system draw including AC adapter. The SOC itself is probably using
Mini-pcs are intended for this role (as they usually hang on vesa support of your huge tv and reaching for a button is not a common task), they are your typical media-players and servers (thou there are models ar 750-1000$ price range that can do Cyberpunk 2077 at 50fps at medium settings, way outperforming consoles). In fact, I think Chris will soon realize the main feature all mini-pc reviewers look at first is whether or not bios supports ac power-back option ;-)
@@cokeforever What’s AC power-back?
modern x86 hardware is definitely not CISC. there's tons of microcode, accelerated paths and co-processing, SIMD, GPU cores and god knows what else inside a modern cpu package. the instruction set no longer has much to do with what the hardware actually looks like.
@@bfapple electrical power-out, then restored, should your pc start with power restore or stay shut? this one
Looks promising as a nice little FreeBSD machine.... could also be a good little emulation games centre.
Cheers Chris, you are providing a valuable and much loved service with your videos.... many thanks.
I'm sure it would have no problems running FreeBSD. :)
Still pales in comparison with the Orange Pi 5, which is just a little more expensive and can do a lot more emulation.
That thing is priced perfectly considering it's about as powerful as its competition, a used desktop from 2007. It also has the benefit of being much more compact and power efficient. The only downside is inferior I/O, but that's more than acceptable given the form factor.
Chris, I have quite a few of these. The BMAX the Ser5, AK1...I put Linux on them. Thanks for the wonderful videos. I am always happy when I see a new video from you in my feed.
Interesting review, I have a couple of similar mini pc's, mine are based on the J4125 cpu and can accept an internal ssd - both with W10 pro installed and activated. A bit more expensive at £150 from Amazon but very reliable, both mine run 24/7 decoding satellite aero data, over a 24 hour period they consume an average of 13 watts/hour so nice and cheap to run
Im seeing alot of these N3350 mini PCs popping up now. I wondered what happened for manufactures to bring out such a old CPU to SBCs.
This was great. I hope you add "cheap PCs" to the SBC rotation in the future.
Thank you for this video. I never know which of the Amazon brands to trust (been burned by no-name hardware in the past), but I can always count on you for a comprehensive review.
I’m also very amused by the message on the plastic bag; this is the manufacturer recommending users to bypass setting up with an online Microsoft account!
This is, I think, the supplier trying to avoid complaints in the Amazon comments that the first boot takes so long (because of picking and processing the Windows updates). An issue they have now dealt with in a more dramatic fashion!
@@ExplainingComputers yeah, I think it's to avoid first boot performance issues. A little Celeron takes a LONG time to do all it's updates in the background and the computer is very stuttery during that time. Especially a fanless dual core.
Can 100% see myself getting one of these for the living room TV as a multimedia device for emulators, RUclips, and other miscellaneous things. Thanks for the video!
As many have said, I bought one for my father and it is a nice device. For what I do, it is slow. I have the minis forum B550 and it is a montar, several times biguer and very fast without a external graphic card, but for a wroser, check the news, some videos etc is perfect. Very good deal, 77 euros is fair price.
"A few bits of string and a small piece of cheese" - BRILLIANT !! I see they do make a Windows 11 version for $30US more with a slightly beefier Snaileron processor. Thanks again for another informative Sunday morning.
Screw Windows!
You get better response if the string is wet, and the cheese is Wensleydale.
Personally I'd consider the inability to load MSWin 11 as a *FEATURE*, not a bug.
Hah, snailaron. Surprizingly some celerons now feature L3 cache. Not this one, though.
I couldn't find this? What's the model name 🙂
You never disappoint with your unboxing videos. This mini PC looks quite interesting.
Great video again! What I like about it is that you can boot from the M.2, meaning that when the internal storage starts to fail, the computer it not automatically junk. An 8GB version with 4 or more cores would be fantastic as well.
Look for the Beelink MINI S N5095 on their website. Yes, it costs somewhat more at 159/169 (128/256 Gb storage versions), but it does have 8GB RAM, true SSD storage instead of "SD card soldered to a board eMMC", and a 4-core CPU far superior to the one in this video scoring 3,5 or so times better in PassMark. Both are Celerons, but the N3350 is shockingly old, released in late 2016. The N5095 is not last gen but it is a late '21 model, much more reasonable.
Question :
1 - When you say , can boot from M.2 ,,,, does that mean the Operating System ( in this case ,, Windows 10 Pro ) can be moved / reloaded to the M.2 storage ?
2 - Will then the onboard storage be wiped clean ?
3 - Do you then just change the BOOT menu ,, for it to boot from M.2 drive ?
( Thanks , anybody ,, for added info ,,,,,, kind of new to the computer game ) .
Wow thanks for the information. I never thought about that.👍
If you want more memory and cores, you should seriously consider just getting a used Micro PC off of eBay. I just picked up a Dell with a 4C i5-7500t, 16GB, 128GB, and W10 Pro, and a 1-yr warranty (a real 1-yr warranty provided from SquareTrade under the "eBay Refurbished" program) for $150 shipped. A lot more power than one of these units for not a lot of additional coin.
I replaced my wife’s HP desktop PC with a Beelink Mini S (256GB). I upgraded it to 16GB and added another SSD to the empty 2.5” bay. It meets her needs for social media and crafting with vinyl cutters and 3D printer. Really impressed with these tiny single board x86 computers.
This is a significant improvement on the Chillblast WAP Pro that I purchased for 140 GBP in 2019. RAM is 50% larger and installed MMC drive is twice as big. The main drawback with the WAP Pro was the 32GB MMC drive used for Windows 10 installation. There were constant problems with "feature updates" which led to my using Win2USB to run Win 10 from an external SSD drive. I have recently seen a RUclips video installing a light-weight version of Win 11 which would probably suit this machine, but by the time Win 10 reaches end-of-life, there may be another inexpensive machine available. As always, a very well explained and useful video from you'
I could see this being really nice for a home Nintendo emualtor for their older systems like the GB, GBC and GBA. Should be able to do DS on it as well and other games like PS1 and the like. Arcade games as well.
This thing can easily emulate Gamecube and PSP. I use a convertible laptop with the same CPU for that very purpose.
just like that he was never heard from again
Still pales in comparison with the Orange Pi 5, which is just a little more expensive and can do Saturn, PS2, GC, Wii and even Switch.
Its insane that these mini PC's are so cheap and perform so well, I'm thinking about getting one.
Im seeing alot of these N3350 mini PCs popping up now. I wondered what happened for manufactures to bring out such a old CPU to SBCs.
totally bro. Welcome to the master PC race. KEKW
Wow dude, not what I was expecting at all. Excellent video, great review! I was expecting that this thing would probably be pretty laggy and not useful for much. I'm really glad you used it to test GIMP on it because that would be the the thing I would primarily used it for.
This video popped up in my suggestions, I was curious, I was impressed & I subscribed to your channel! Well done ole chap
Oh snap‼️ I just checked the link and it's currently unavailable 😢. Any idea why?
Thanks for your comments. Sadly, 10 days after week after this video was posted, the Bmax B1 Plus has sold out everywhere. However, look back to the opening of the video where I show an Amazon search, and you will see there are several other mini PCs in the same price range. I've not tested them all, but am confiddent that they will deliver the same kind of user experience. GIMP on a c.$100 Mini PC with a Celeron processor and 4 or 6GB or RAM will not be the faster ever, but as the video showed, will be perfectly usable.
That little drop at the end about add-on GPIO... 😳 Now I'm excited. Thanks for another great video Chris. 😎👍
Greetings Steve. :)
Amazing as always, Chris. In fact I do use the Mini PCs that I got for review. The U59 Pro is a NAS server in our house and the SEi12 Pro is in fact my new production machine 💪🙏
I like tiny PCs like this. Very energy efficient, and easy to work with when you want to upgrade. A lot of the newer ones can also comfortably emulate video games up to the PS2.
Up until now we have favored laptops for their size and portability.
But, If I can strap one of these on the back of a monitor, add a wireless trackball and keyboard, I may be making a change. Besides,
having to replace HP laptops every couple of years because the right side display hinge ALWAYS seams to break This may be
the answer I am looking for.
Nice video, thanks Chris. I got one of these small PCs for my Mum after her laptop suffered water (cup of tea!) damage. The nice thing was I could just transpose the M.2 SSD from her laptop to the new PC and it brought everything across nicely for her! As you say perfectly serviceable for some web browsing, email, word processing, etc. and nice and compact sitting behind the monitor :)
'infusion ingress'!
I bought a mini pc a couple of years ago
to run a hobby cnc and laser . It's been nothing but great these little machines are great for a couple of apps that don't require a lot of horsepower to do things in a dirty environment . This machine seems very impressive for the price. Pity amazon already says no stock 😕
i like your no-nonsense approach with reviews. the british accent is a nice touch. thx.
Sorry for the late reply. Im finally back working on the road again. Another brilliant video from the master of Explaining Computers!
I use similar $100 computers, running Windows 10 Pro, as "harvesters" for Chia.
The "Pro" version of Windows allows me to use Remote Desktop to view and run anything on them. No waiting a moment for my monitor to sync up from one box to the next.
Similar to the Bmax B1, my $100 boxes are fanless (so no noise, and low power).
One thing you did not cover, that I took note of for my $100 PCs, is that a simple file copy would use north of 50% of CPU cycles, according to Task Manager.
For me, it does not matter, because of my use case. But I have never seen a PC labor over a file copy. I would think that even a Celeron CPU could handle that as a yawn. But apparently not.
This is interesting hardware to run a little home server on. I now run Home Assistant and some other basic server applications on an old Mac Mini with Ubuntu Server, but I think this little computer could be a much more power-efficient solution. Thanks for the great video again!
Yes, they are. I would normally recommend a raspberrypi for such a case, but since those are in short supply right now, these makes great alternatives.
What sorts of basic applications?
Unlike most people (seemingly) on here?
I am NOT a computer do-it-yourselfer.
So I REALLY appreciate you covering this computer, in particular.
And even though I am not a hardcore geek?
I love your channel and watch it regularly.
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Thanks for watching. And I don't think that you are alone here. :)
@@ExplainingComputers Cool.
And please give my regards to Mr. Scissors.
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I went and purchased this. This will be good for off-grid use as the power requirements are low. Also it being powered by 12 vdc is a bonus too. Having access to Windows is useful too but for 95% of its use it will be running the new Debian.
It's a real shame they biffed the deal with only a 64GB drive. You really can't do anything substantial with this device, until you add external drives. Geez. Thanks for showing this.
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Good Video. But i would never use this kind of preinstalled Windows. Its a very big security Risk. I dont mind the Volume Activation but you never know what other things have been modified. Reinstall Windows to be safe. (I know it can take ages.) And Keys are not that expensive.
Awesome review. To properly test Gimp you need to open a photographic image, add some layers and a few brushstrokes and distortions. This eats massive amounts of memory and you will quickly find the machine's limits
To be honest most people wouldn't. They would throw together a poster for a community group once every couple of months if it was an older/super budget conscious person owning one of these.
@@wozzablog I'm older and super budget conscious and I do this all the time.
I love how the SSD goes in what looks like and old school battery compartment.
You are so right. I had not thought of it that way. :)
Outstanding Report on this as I have Often wondered HOW this works!
The GPIO add on is something I've been waiting on for some time... can't wait for that. And I think this is a great find for the money, sir!
Ah, I imagined that you would be into the GPIO thing. :)
A kind of simple (hardware wise) way to get GPIO on a PC is to buy an inexpensive Arduino board and communicate with it over a USB connection. It's a fairly simple task to get access to the ports on an Arduino board. Also if you have a Pi Zero you can so the same.
Once again Chris gives one of the best hardware reviews on RUclips, and I love that he doesn't put the Franks red Hot of gaming on it.
Just ordered one in the US with a $10 off coupon so tax included it was only $95 US quite a good deal for a low power mini to run pi hole and maybe a few other apps on my home network, thank you for the testing, it is much appreciated especially with the shortage of SBC’s at the moment. I’m guessing they will sell out quickly now that the video is out🤣
Yes, I imagine these may now go out of stock . . .
Amazon UK 7 left in stock, I want one but cannot afford one lol
I have an Ouvislite branded version of this machine that only cost $98.99 USD back in Nov. '22 (they're now $120+), and it also came with Win 10, which I dumped immediately and installed Koozali SME server to run as the 'gateway' machine for my internal network. It has been online pretty much 24-7 ever since. Totally silent, runs cool, and has never crashed. The only mod I've done is add 1 USB>1GB Ethernet port for the WAN side of my network and all is good to go! Pretty impressive tiny little box!😉
Thanks for testing Linux, that's always my interest on little PCs like this.
Ah Sunday my favorite day of the week because of you new Video day! I love mini pc related video have a nice day and week
Greetings! Have a great week.
I picked up an N5105 and am quite impressed with it. It work really well as a basic desktop replacement. It happy runs linux mint, no troubles so far. Some of the specs: 2xHDMI, 4xUSB3.0, microSD, 8gb of ram. I added a 2280 nvme, disabled the emmc to disable win11. I am quite pleased.
@filleswe91 I got a MeLE mini PC.
The N5105 is actually the performance equivalent of an Intel Core2Quad Q9550 (95w) but at a frugal 10w TDP! we've come along way. you can pick up a mini PC with an N5105 for $120 now. a much better and snappier prospect than a $100 dual core N3350.
Interestingly, just upgraded an old socket 775 Q9550 PC to 8GB of DDR3 RAM and an SSD the other day - runs Windows 10 great and is still perfectly good as a daily driver PC, especially after I stuck in an old Radeon HD 7870 dedicated GPU.
Streams 4k content, does gaming emulation and even the odd AAA game at lower resolutions pretty well. you aint gonna win any efficiency awards though, as on older manufacturing nodes, this will consume more power.
The new alder lake low power Intel N100 is even faster than the N5105 but that is generally around $160 and is locked to single channel memory.
The N5105 is still the ultra low power x86 bang for buck king for now.
And when Chris says you can cheaply add GPIO pins, he means it. Amazon prices a GPIO to USB kit for less than $19. Other sites may be cheaper. Unless the SBC people can lower their prices, there is almost no reason to buy one of their ARM-based machines. After all, why pay more for a machine that actually has less capability? Great video.
SBCs only suffer on the GPU side thanks to shitty (closed source) drivers 😞
Really cool. Has a very specific purpose and ideal.
With that processor speed handling those basic workload is impressive for such a small, tiny computer. 😎💯👍
It’s strange that it has a volume lic and some pre installed browser. It probably explains why it asked you not to connect the network on first boot. I would be suspicious of malware on the box.
3hrs and 12mins before you can use your new computer? Good job Microsoft! 😅
Iv'e had the B1 for 3 years and the B3 for 2 years. These both play roles as HTPCs(home theater PC), one in my livingroom and one in my bedroom. I am happy with both of these for running media and light duty computer work. I love how quiet they are and using off-grid solar, I love the low power consumption.
Impressive performance for a low cost mini PC. I like that is comes with Windows 10 Pro and you can dual boot it with Linux (switched in BIOS). Fanless and low power are also good. I think these devices make useful mini servers (local or remote). Thanks for the excellent review.
Great video, as always. All useful info gathered together. Thanks!
You could make a neat little low-power homelab cluster/kubernetes playground with a few of these. But for just a bit more you can buy secondhand TinyMiniMicro PC's that have a lot more power.
Last time I tried dual booting I did it the way you showed, but Windows would trash the Linux bootloader every Windows Update ran so now Windows has been banned completely from my PC. Microsoft just can't play nice with others, can they?
I'm very surprised to hear that a Windows update interfered with a bootloader another drive, formatted with a non-Windows file system. I've never had this problem when Windows and Linux are on seperate drives, with the other drive not present when each OS was installed. But as you say, Microsoft does not always play nice.
I've actually had the opposite issue, i've had a GRUB2 corruption wipe out the Windows bootloader on another drive, for me it's Linux that can't play well with Windows, but that aside, I will be looking into TinyMiniMicro for either Kubernetes or Proxmox clustering, while second hand Enterprise gear can be cheap to buy (other than the HDDs and Caddies... why ebay sellers you scalp on Caddies?), they're not so cheap to run, oh and they're noisy
Windows 11 on one drive and manualy install linux with efi partition and grub on the other drive and you should have no problems from my experience.
I'm glad you covered these Chris. I bought a Beelink Series 3 that's mounted on the back of my monitor and am pretty happy with it. I still love my raspberry pi's though. ☺️
I a appreciate the attention to detail of your videos, like having the pc centered and squared in the video frame! 👌
That little PC did surprisingly well! I think a couple of my favorite things about it is the low power consumption and the fact that it has Windows 10 Pro installed on it. It handles Linux Mint quite nicely too.
I think it'd be good as an emergency PC for when the main one goofs up or you're on vacation and need to back up photos of, say, the sunrise or your ice cream getting stolen by an eagar seagull or whatever. As another person commented, it'd also be great for putting retro emulators on there!
All in all, a good mini PC with SBC vibes and another solid review.
Thanks for your support, most appreciated. I love the idea of a PC for holiday photo backup activities. :)
@@ExplainingComputers Thanks! I thought that one up REAL quick. Just don't get sand on the PC and/or in the ports and hope that the seagull doesn't break in using magic bird powers and try to crap on it. 😅
Great review, as always. I look forward to the video covering addition of GPIO to such a device.
I believe it was around 2016, when MS made some changes to their license agreement and a bunch of Windows 8.1 microcomputers came into the market, due to the increased leniency that allowed them to essentially sell them with Windows pre-installed for "free", as in, no additional license payments to MS by the manufacturer.
This current stock of W10, specifically Pro although they are a specific fork of it, carreis the legacy of that same release program. Their reasoning, well, who can say for certain without breaking an NDA, but generally speaking it's about improving commercial relations with the Chinese consumer market.
Quirks of that fork include some specifications to their support program, hiding under the "pro" moniker the fact that they are in some way more of a, buyer beware type of product. Caveat emptor. Somebody might suggest surveillance bloatware, which can't be ruled out, but I think it's mostly to wash their hands from any responsibility for free updates.
You have to wonder, why would a small Chinese upstart who jsut want to sell you a neat device, want you to make sure that the first thing you do with the PC, is NOT to let it ping home through the internet. Perhaps so that Windows stock virus defenses get to activate first. Before the Chinese government activates for you.
@@sboinkthelegday3892 - I suspect it's because it'll fire off windows updates for you as part of the initial login (that, and the 'sign in with a microsoft account'). Both will end up dragging out the initial loading by that 3 hours he talked about.
Aamazon offered me a 15 dollar coupon which thankfully helped me get rid of the shipping costs. Looking forward to playing around with this. I plan on using it to test Linux distros.
Have fun with Linux! :)
I noticed right away that this mini PC uses the same processor as my Chromebook from 2019 (HP model ca051wm). It has less memory (4GB instead of 6GB), less storage (32GB instead of 64GB), and this model of Celeron was released wa-ay back in Q3 of 2016. The price was $200 new in 2019. With depreciation I would consider the value to be roughly equivalent to this mini PC, with the tradeoff being operating system (Chrome OS instead of Windows 10) and portable (with screen) vs stationary. The Chromebook also has two USB-C ports which can be used for devices, video output or power-in... so there's that, too. No opinion on one being better than the other - just different options for different users.
Thank you my dear sir. You gave us what most of us wanted in a review without showboating about how smart you are (when you are indeed highly intelligent), and you mercifully avoided all that gamer nonsense that others bore us with.
Look, I love the gaming aspect, but I have PCs and consoles for this, and other PCs and rigs for other stuff like HD video encoding, etc. If you want high end stuff for this you really do have to spend more than $100, which is something too many folks don't want to understand.
All I wanted was just another little PC to kick around the house for some smaller tasks without spending much more cash, and wanted a real review of it without having to sludge through seemingly endless footage on fighting or racing games, or whatever.
Thanks so much. I picked one up since because of this review, and absolutely love it for what it's meant for.
Thanks for this -- great to hear. It seems that we are on the same page with this hardware.
@@ExplainingComputers Yes indeed. You review what is relevant to the product and I appreciate this. I will continue to watch and benefit from your videos. Thanks again. Subbed.
Chris, Not to steal your thunder, but when 4G Pi 4 are running $150 on Amazon, this mini pc with a $7 pi pico seems like a pretty good replacement. Another great video.
This is a single board PC, no Pi in sight.
@@johndododoe1411 Well both pico and mini have usb ports. Maybe the mini can use pico gpio. Say with Python?
Marvellous. I have an old XP PC that employs a two bits of string and an old piece of cheese interface but the string has to be wet.
Can't wait for the PC + GPIO installment. Thank you.
I hope parents and grandparents are watching this awesome video, this is the perfect gift for children/or casual users (And, It doesn't break the wallet). Also you can use as a guest computer for visitors (That way your data stays separate). I own one myself, it's just for, what you said: media watching and lite computer tasks, that's it (Which is perfect for casual users only, sorry gamers you will have to look at something more powerful). As usual another complete Sunday, Thank You, Christopher, have a good rest of your weekend. As Always, Be Smart and Stay Safe.
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hi for all of the people maybe tempted to buy this from your affiliate link. Please remember that the power adapter is from the US when you use the link provided. great video by the way.. thanks
The provided link to Amazon US will result in a US adapter, and to Amazon UK, a UK one. :) Although both Amazons have sold out now.
Windows update has most likely been disabled with the Group Policy Editor, which is available on all versions of Win10 Pro, not just volume licenses. I used GPE to disable automatic updates on my system, which has a retail license.
I bought Win10 Pro key from scdkeys and go figure it does this same thing about auto updates disabled by Group Policy. Is there an easy way to change that?
@@utp216 Open Group Policy Editor and go to the folder indicated below. Change any setting listed as Enabled to Not configured, and then restart.
Local Computer Policy --> Computer Configuration --> Administrative Templates --> Windows Components --> Windows Update
I love this guy’s videos
Thanks. :)
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This mini pc is incredible! Under 100 bucks brand new, including windows? For a pc that actually works? I'm amazed!
I was able to get an even physically smaller mini PC, with a J4125, 512GB storage and 8GB RAM for $101 USD from the US version of the same retailer. All the specs are basically double or more this machine - more storage, ram, double the cores, higher clock speed - for a similar price. The one lacking thing with the particular unit I bought is ports as it is physically a very tiny device (one HDMI, 2x USB3, and maybe a Type-C IIRC).
If this unit is too slow, there are deals to be found for faster new tiny PCs. An alternative are used or refurbished micro business PCs which are often faster than these Atom-based units and sometimes hit this price point.
it never fails to amaze me just how affordable computing power has gotten over the last 40 years. when I started with microcomputers in the late 70s, you could expect to easily pay over $1k for an 8-bit system that you could take out of the box, attach a TV and start "computing," if you could call typing in lines of BASIC code or loading a program from cassette "computing." 😀 Nowadays, for less than $100/£100, you can buy a piece of hardware with an actual operating system and software and do Actual Work. it's amazing.
one thing I'd like to point out is that the 12v power this PC uses should be of interest to ham radio enthusiasts and other off-grid or mobile-computing users. coupled with one of those lithium-battery car-jump-start modules, you can have a PC that runs for days w/o having to be plugged in while communing with nature.
it's certainly true a Celeron isn't as cutting-edge as the latest ARM or RiscV hardware, but it's hard to argue with the value you get. Assuming you could get your hands on one, by the time you total the cost of a Pi4, a case, a PS, video cable, heatsink (and optionally, M.2 storage) you likely will have invested a bit more coin there than on this mini system and its runs-out-of-the-box experience.
Thanks for the video!
My computer is cheaper than my vacuum cleaner!
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Seems like that was a lot more convenient than loading from paper tape.
You should have just stopped after you said celeron lmfao no its not worth it.
Depends on what you want to do with the machine....
I would like to know what you were expecting for this price.
That moment when mini pcs are like half price SBCs, feels bad man.
I got one of the slightly more upmarket mini PCs (an Acemagician) last month for my girlfriend, and honestly she's thrilled with it. It's small, it's quiet, more than enough power to do what she wanted (browsing, web based games) even in the 9w eco mode. It makes you think really.
Neat, I recently bought an old intel NUC i5 5300u 8/128 gb for my father for roughly the same price
I'd personally reinstall after seeing that automatic windows update policy being changed
Outstanding value for money, especially with that M.2 expansion slot. I work in IT, and 64/128GB is fine to install Windows 10 to begin with, but it won't work for long because Windows will update and grow in size to the point where it just can't update anymore because there isn't enough space left. This is why they have disabled windows update. 128GB is absolute bare minimum and still not enough. 256GB is the best minimum amount. I've repaired several Notebook PCs with this exact issue and the only way around it is to download the latest windows ISO and install from scratch as this newer ISO will contain a lot more updates pre installed. Anyway great video
Thanks for the great video Chris, and this looks like a good simple, and cheap solution for my Church's library running Solus Linux attached to the back of some budget monitors. We are currently running 4 machines using a mix of old Dell/HP desktops, and I was considering some used Lenovo ThinkCentre Tiny systems, but this looks to be an even better solution, as they won't be doing much more than office work, and simple online tasks.
They really are ideal for that use case.
As always, nice presentation -- it's very nice to see the trade-offs made for SBC and $100 PC computers. Looking forward to the GPIO episode!
I greatly enjoyed your video while tearing up a bit. Almost 30 years ago I used to pay $100 for a TimexSinclair 1000 (ZX81). I impress on my children when it comes to all electronic devices - SMALLER, CHEAPER, FASTER as time goes by.
I love how you just casually gloss over the 3 hour update process that windows took!!! That's enough time to test out several linux distros and settled on the one that you really like!!! This would be a beast of a Chromebox running ChromeOS Flex. This is exactly the sort of machine that I would buy if I was after a cheap computer in a small form factor. It possible to repurpose "old" hardware and have an excellent computing experience (there's so MUCH of it around!!) but that old kit really finds it hard to compete with the low power consumption that these modern boards have. And fanless as well! Thanks for the excellent review.
After seeing this video, I went to Amazon to order one. First review said it was loaded with malware. Recommended to wipe the hard drive and reload with a clean copy on windows. The unit I purchased was indeed loaded with malware. I wiped the drive and installed a clean copy of windows and now this mini pc runs great and auto updates as it should. Using it to monitor some sensors and for some ham radio stuff.
Did you have any issues with a clean install?
None at all. After wiping the hard drive completely, I installed Windows from a copy I downloaded directly from Microsoft. Installed and activated without issue.
@@photog12345 Thanks
I'd be curious to see how well Win 11 runs.
Your last 2 videos have been my favorites in the last 3 months of viewing. Great job on keeping the channel dynamic. While I like the raspberry pi videos, that subject doesn’t hold my interest as well as these last 2 topics. Just a little feedback from a long time subscriber.
Thanks again Chris!
Thanks for this feedback, very useful. :)
Well, that little mini PC does a fairly good job with Windows 10 and Linux Mint. Thanks for the review. Take care!
Thanks Richard.
I never thought a USB 3 port would be the fastest storage option on a machine. Leave it to a Celeron-based system to surprise me in one way or another. It was once in a good way. The Celeron 300A through the Celeron 400 MHZ range was actually as good as if not better for gaming than the Pentium II range at the same clock speed range back in the day. Oh, and the Celeron 300A most of the time could be overclocked to 450MHZ to take on Intel's flagship... Well, the Celeron D almost killed any thought of that line of processors ever having any respect in computing again, so here we are...
Thank you. I had always wondered how one of these mini PCs would compare to some of the SBCs you've reviewed. Next to SBCs, I find these mini PCs fascinating. Needless to say, I always enjoy the humor you include in your videos! Appreciated your testing Linux on the mini PC. If you ever run across a mini PC running Windows 11 at this price in the future, I'd be interested to see how it performs and your valued opinion of the thing. Oh yes, looking forward to your video on adding GPIO pins a PC...hopefully this mini PC. As always, looking forward to you next video!
Greetings Perry! Here we are again. How the weeks fly by.
@@ExplainingComputers The older we get, the shorter the weeks become. If I get much older, I’ll begin to miss a few here and there!
The scathing assessment of the SD card interface had me laughing 😂👍
It’s now quite astonishing what these cheap computers can do. I remember running 8088 chips many years ago. They were so much more expensive but also it shows how much technology has improved over the intervening years. Thanks for another excellent film.
Thanks for this! And extremely well done too!
I'm very very excited to see the emulation potential of this little beast especially with the m.2 slot
Good morning Chris!
As always a pleasure to start my Sunday off with one of your videos. This is an amazing little box. Two questions come to mind:
1. Would this be appropriate for a home automation set up such as running home assistant or, perhaps node-red w MQTT?
2. Well I was about to comment about wanting GPIO pins and associated support, but you just suggested that you will address this shortly. Good.
Thanks!
Adafruit USB to GPIO breakout boards?
Seems like this could be a quite decent file server. What we need is some sort of USB based GPIO board so we could do many of the things the PI4 does now. With GPIO control but using one of these mini-pc's instead of a PI.
GPIO on a server? What a joke.
And for gpio just use any arduino board.
Bonjour Chris, Thank you for including the Dual Boot configuration, as it's a great option if one needs both systems.
I wonder how tiny 11 will run on this configuration compare to an ARM based chip. Looking forward to you GPIO extension presentation.
Benchmark comparison: tiny11 vs W10 Pro vs W10 LTSC
This would be wonderful as a streaming PC. Hook it up to a television, use a bluetooth mouse/keyboard and use it for movies via USB drive or through streaming websites without having to deal with ads.
Absolutely. For this I would put Chrome OS Flex on it.
They're good for what they are, and used as a baseline work and net pc they're great
I have had my BMax for quite some time! It is on my treadmill desk where I check my email and read Scripture each morning. It seems to run basic things well and the video has always been great! It is ideal for these applications! Thanks for reviewing it!
A Sunday morning Chris Barnatt video! What a treat!
I'd like to see it compared next to something just a little better, next price point like $150 or $200 miniPC
Good review Chris. I've looked at quite a few mini PCs, and the installs all look like a OOBE reset or duplicated image of one. I've found that reinstalling Windows will still activate and not have those things like auto updates turned off and a good security practice.
Another informative video! I've been wondering what to replace my 12 year old ThinkPad Edge with when it eventually dies and these mini PCs seem ideal for what it's used for. I just use it to play music and music videos so it doesn't need to be a powerhouse! I like the idea of disabling the onboard storage and booting Linux from an NVMe SSD! Food for thought!
How soon will it be integrated into a keyboard ? ...We'll see.