The Wait is Finally Over! - All-New RK3588 / ITX-3588J First Look
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- Опубликовано: 14 июл 2024
- The RK3588 is the latest flagship ARM processor from Rockchip. The RK3588 is the long-awaited successor to the old RK3399 SoC, and it is an amazing processor for emulation, Android gaming, and ARM Linux usage. In this video, we take a look at the new ITX-3588J from Firefly. This is an ITX motherboard built around the RK3588J module.
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ITX-3588J Specifications
CPU: RK3588
GPU: Mali G610 MP4
RAM: 8GB LPDDR4x
Storage: 64GB eMMC 5.1
Connectivity: Wi-Fi 6 / BT 5.0 / GbE
OS: Android / Linux
Performance Data from WeTest
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Technically two boards. It's still amazing.😏
My next video is going to showcase Switch, PS2, 3DS, and other systems on this chip.
So... 2023 for a new Odin model with this ? Would also be curious to see consumption and performance if you try to limit it at say... 7 watts for example ?
If it can provide same or better performance at low wattage, that would mean a huuuuuuge improvement to battery life for future devices/android consoles !!!
Have you heard of the Phytium D2000?
Hey Taki, can you also add some other Android Apps to your testing arsenal?
My short-list (very hard -to- hardest):
Real Racing 3, Genshin Impact, Ark Survival Evolved, Doom 3, and Tomb Raider 2013.
(rant)
Without the overhead of emulation, technically these ARM devices can play much more graphically impressive titles, than what we can expect out of say a Nintendo Wii title. And they could do so at an equal or lower power-draw.
Here's a list of some of the best looking games I could find:
Sky Children of Light, Morphite, Endless Nightmare, Shadow Fight 3, Infinity Blade 3, Dead Trigger 2, Shadowgun Legends, Asphalt 9 Legends, Real Racing 3, CoD Mobile, PubG Mobile, Fortnite, Genshin Impact, Ark Survival Evolved
And there's even more than that. Nvidia Studios, the department which usually handles Game-Specific Drivers for their dGPUs have some surprises for us. They have some exclusive titles on the Nvidia Shield TV that they have ported from x86/Windows. Most of these are very impressive graphically, and here's a shortlist of them:
Skateboard Party 3, Portal, The Witness, Half-Life 2, Doom 3, MGR Revengence, Tomb Raider 2013.
Wow, been waiting for this since it was first announced. Really exciting stuff!
I'm genuinely excited about this new chip! Great work as usual, I look forward to your next videos covering this product!
Nice, interesting to see what products will be coming that make use of this chip.
wow. really promising. would love to get my hand on one!
The SoC looks great! Hopefully Ambernic, Powkiddy and Odin can release some new handhelds based on this in 22! Also, got to think next SuperConsoleX will come with this chipset as well.
Man, if Firefly makes one that I can fit into a Framework laptop would be awesome.
Taki said "You can see there's some thermal paste on this board" your not kidding it was absolutely plastered in the stuff LOL
It would be nice to get a smaller form factor IO board with just the IO needed for a handheld form factor
I think it's a similar some to a CM3, so idk if it's really worth bothering
@@alfiegordon9013 Its much faster than a CM3 in fact its faster than a CM4 so is ideal for a handheld once the heatsink and fan are changed for a low profile model, its easy enough to knock an IO interface up on the PC and get JLC PCB to make the board and populate it if feeling flush
@@AndrewAHayes I meant in form factor, sorry should have phrased that better
Just went and looked at the prices.
Maybe I'll be able to get a used one 10 years from now.
I hope this will get alot of support like the RockPro64 did.
the RockPro64 is an unbootable brick 9 out of 10 times ,sw support or not, DO NOT waste your money at any price.
@@paulmaydaynight9925 Been using my two rockpro64s as a NAS since 2020 with no issues. But I do admit the first year was buggy as software support was not all there but going into 2021 sofware support catched up and it's been rock solid ever since.
I'm loving these just plain silly SBCs.
Cheers Taki, I absolutely understood some of that. :)
I have spare case sitting around.
A good ITX mobo is something I'd love to have for a quiet and efficent desktop.
You will find Mali-G610 MP4 GPU on Dimensity 8100, but overall amazing specs
Actually, Dimensity 8100 has Mali-G610 MC6.
@@sokool3994 Sssshhhh i made a mistake so don't correct me 😂🤣🤪
Finally! A Rockchip CPU that not garbage! I'm very excited for this.
This is exciting indeed 🤗
Hey buddy sick video I really enjoy your content
Could you try OpenMW? It’s more of a PC port of Morrowind on Android than emulation, but sorta in the same vein. If I’m not mistaken, then Android version also contains the same settings the PC version offers (ie expanding render distance, objects loaded on screen at a given time, etc).
Yes, I can add it to the list.
Now this one is exciting! I want one to tinker with!
Name checks out :D
@@TakiUdon Reddit moment
Good gameplay just supported you
I would like to see more of the Linux capabilities if possible. This thing looks very promising if they have some good Linux builds.
Finally, an upgrade
I'm glad to see some ITX arm boards start to be made, but $500 is a little high for one for hobby use.
Way too high. Half would be kind of acceptable...
I'm seeing boards with this chip for $35 now.
I'd be interested in how it stacks up vs the nVidia Shield TV Pro. Android TV boxes with this chip could be interesting.
Wow slot1!
Yes, it sure brings back memory :D
Once they release one that can do more than eMMC I might get this as a home server.
Looks interesting
Holy cow, that's amazing! I worked out the other day that if you compare the Nintendo 3ds to the PS5, the PS5 is approx FIFTEEN HUNDRED times more powerful. It seems that things are continuing to power upwards in a ridiculous direction. Long may it last ;) Great video Taki, you do get all the best toys...
@@jamesyu5212 If the 3ds was DOUBLE the power is was, the PS5 would still be about 800 times more powerful.
@@antonyadler so then new3ds?
compare it to the original gameboy while youre at it
if youre Arbitrarily choosing systems lol
compare it to the atari 5200
The Nintendo 3DS has an ARM11 CPU, so the single-core performance will be about 1/3 that of a first-gen Raspberry Pi when scaling for clock speed. They make DSP microcontrollers for cars that are faster than this for $10 (obviously the 3DS has a GPU, while your car's ECU doesn't).
compare it to the fairchild channel f 😈
I'm wondering if the 552 was originally designed to house this, but delays caused a replacement.
I doubt that. The current products that are releasing or will soon release are from companies that are primary customers of Rockchip.
Definitely would like to see some Mh4u on 3DS, Conquers bad fur day on N64 and some Shadow of destiny on PS2 if you have them :)
I’ll trade you a shadow of destiny for a harvest moon 64 and a animal crossing switch
@@mmm0513 That will be on Taki to decide i guess!
Amazing
Damn! This dev board is expensive. I wonder if it'll come out cheap when used in an emulator system.
maybe I will consider this board for my graduation project. I will build and present custom designed NAS.
500 bucks seems pretty steep but, it sure is a powerhouse.
Hey TAKI, I would really love an emulation test on the hobbit for the original Xbox or the GameCube mostly to test frame rate issues and to see if movement glitches still occur under load, or while the camera is in a position that loads more geometry
I’m mostly curious for speed running purposes but also because I love that game
It'll be interesting to see how driver support in Linux is.
This'll be great in like 2-3 years time when it's going cheap and makes it way into flagship ARM handhelds.
They really redeemed themselves with the RK3399, that chip only looked good on paper.
Liking this but the chip is running very hot for an arm chip.
Great review! This 3588 soc looks amazing! I have a rpi4 and khadas vim 3 and have been enjoying them for three years now I’m looking for a more capable sbc. Khadas is releasing the vim 4 I’ve recently watched a video of the vim 4 and I’m not impressed with it at all. It’s Android os is still running in 32 bit mode meaning in spite of all that cpu and gpu power it can’t install dolphin or aethersx2 emulators! I need the rk3588 sbc asap. Big ups!
The vim 4 runs 64-bit android 11 now.
Would this be better than pi 4
@@truebengalsfan yup
How long do you think it'll take to get into a retro handheld?
A year or so
@@TakiUdon but the price is a problem
1 to 3 years at least. You need a good community to develop around a SBC.
Nice performance, but price is uff.
Really cool but if anyone is going to use it in a PC we need the ability to swap SSDs to diferente hardware and only need a driver update rather than a full install
Good to see some real world use. I am sure that many people will want to see emulation through the whole range of options available just to get some early indication.
Was the 8K video shown rendered with hardware acceleration (which I am 99.99% sure will not be the case under Linux)?
Confirmation of hardware AV1 codec support will be useful.
I think that all initial testing should be done with the active cooling as that is what Firefly has provided for a reason.
There is one thing that could derail much of the RK2588 progress, which is the pricing, because if it starts to get into what we typically see from the Intel/AMD range, then it may fail in terms of mass appeal.
The cost of this particular one is sadly laughable. $589.00 for the basic package will be an instant turn off for so many.
I presume that the reference to 8 GEN1 was to the latest Snapdragon SOC?
Would be great if someone make Handheld board for it like for Raspberry pie.
Does this have hardware encoders? Would love to turn this into a DIY NAS with Jellyfin or Plex on it or something.
I am curious to see how well this would perform for 2.5D/3D emulation games because one game i would love to play on a SBC is the arcade version of Killer Instinct 1 and 2 which they can run on the Pi 4 overclocked but not that smooth if you know what i mean.
I will really study advance IT and shock the world somehow. Only your videos gives this vibe thanks Taki
I wish it would have an adreno GPU however Mali one is definitely good
What about trying the upcoming "Nothing OS Launcher" on this?
It's supposed to work on selected devices but is open type in that it can be installed on any supported device
Nice video, for COD mobile and Genshin impact, did you use a controller? If so can you send a link? Thanks.
SnazziLabs made a mini case for macmini …
Way faster than anything mentioned here
Can you try this on Win11 Arm?
im going to get one for an arm server
man... i love these SOC's but holy hell... DEM PRICES!
Where did you see the prices?
ig you can't post links on yt comments
Nvm, the 4gb version seems to be 130$
With pre-order discount, it's 80$
@@magik97 do you have a link?
@@nerdloftgaming RUclips deletes most links I post.
The price is for rock5 model b sbc, not just the soc. This was on the cnx software website.
So maybe other manufacturers might have cheaper sbc's with this chip in the future ig
On the parts-list breakout page for that board, I noticed pin 21 listed as "heating" - any idea what that's intended for? My first thought was 3D printers, but... maybe more for extreme weather use cases, so the board doesn't freeze? What's that actually for?
I also have no idea 😔
2:10 two shots of thermal paste
New to your channel by the way, quick suggestions . Could you please do an over clocking video of the rk3588. As i think the Arm Cortex A76 can go as much as 3.00 to 3.3ghz. coupled with a phone cooler?. Please pretty please 🙏
There's stronger SBC's. Have you heard of the Phytium D2000?
Yes, but I don't see it being as popular as this for products.
@@TakiUdon Still pretty powerful though.
@@bulletpunch9317 Pretty good if you can play PC games on it no problem.
@@bulletpunch9317 Here's a Video.
ruclips.net/video/FhEHdhI-yFk/видео.html
They need to come down in price to celeron j prices
Would be awesome for a Minecraft server
Imagine if Anbernic uses this in a linux device and calls it RG553 or something for roughly 230 to 250 dollars, come on Anbernic this os the chip you need to use and for the OS collaborate with Batocera 😉
The GPU clockspeed value is missing during game test. Is it possible that it's "disabled" by default?., And that the CPU is just emulating the gpu ?
What kind of coolers does it take? I want to put it in a Akasa Euler M.
I want to see how it does with systems like Debian. How does it boot, petitboot in SPI flash or a ARM UEFI BIOS that can take a regular Debian install?
I do not understand an idea behind emmc. If it's going to die soon as any other flash card, why manufacturers use chips instead of slots? Do I have to replace entire computer when emmc dies?
Wow! 13 Watts is Steam Deck territory. Hopefully these come in devices much cheaper, because otherwise, it's still a hard sell unless you really need Android, imo.
good 😃🇧🇷
Could you test H264 10-bit content?
How much does this set up run you?
Are you going to try to overclock it Taki?
Under linux can this output 8k over hdmi 2.1? Or is it android only
is it capped at 13W? The power supply is 7amp, temperatures are decent! I wonder if later on it can be allowed to draw more than 50W?
I'm SOOOOO EXCITED
I can't believe We are entering the ARM desktop era (not mini-desk pi clones mind you) !!!!
I thought Huawei would do this using Kirin SOC back in Trump administration...
Most high-end mobile SoCs are designed to consume arround 10W at its max performance, there's no point allowing such a thing like 50W.
did you play call of duty mobile with keyboard and mouse? or controller?
I want an open source phone out of this. It should be much cheaper than the overpriced Librem phone.
Pine64 will likely get around to it
Alright. RG350/RG351. But with this chip.
And btw, try to add a GPU on this
Ex: RX 560, GTX 10xx
I'd love to see some Saturn emulation, since last gen handhelds struggled a lot with it.
but a grand ? spend that on a pc and you be rocking for years
Literally, i can only find the 4 gig model, for 420 bucks, wayyyyy too much for this. Why is it so expensive?.
How does it run Celeste?
The rk3399 is able to run it, but only with a lot of hackery, since having a desktop Environment for example alongside is too much for it.
celente runs at 1080p 60 fps without much problem on rk3399, there is not that much trickery... just box64
Please test external gpu on pci express
Can i add Jetson Nano Module on this board?
Can be overclock at 3.0GHz ?
Did you play pubg and cod with keyboard and mouse? And if so, did you need some app or hardware to make that work? And didn't you get banned for cheating or 'using an emulator' or whatever errors you can get?
hey Taki, in AYN company said the Odin lite ship IN MY FUCKING DREAMS FUKERS, thanks odin...
For 600$ I'll wait for a AMD 6000 APU.
But why should one buy this fpr nearly 500€, when you can get an Intel notebook with much more performance and about same power usage for same price or even less?
Does pubg didn't recognize emulator? does it match with pure android device?
Can it run pfsense?
It looks kinda like a slot 1 pentium 3
Can it play Skyrim though ? maybe with box86 and wine on ubuntu ?
can u guys try chrome os on these cpus
SOME paste? Holy hell!
nice system, although its slow. 2.4Ghz is considered slow and based on what you are showing this must be a Linux Only system. windows 10 could work, if the chipset supports it.
Iis it batter than Odin/SD845?
What's an npu? 🤔
AI accelerator
Could you test Minecraft on Linux,
Where A710 and A510 cores?
how about hdmi input?
It's mainly meant for camera video streams
@@TakiUdon hi, with camera app is possible to record and take photos from hdmi video, how multios works? It is easy to change to linux?
Stumbled across this in my feed. Not familiar with this platform. Can someone dumb down the conversation and explain to me why a person would choose this setup over a Ryzen APU ITX build? There seems to be a lot I don't understand about the application of this compared to the standard computer.