Can GRIP SIZE Change Your Swing? // GEARS 3D Motion & Foresight GC Quad Testing
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- We use all the research tools at our disposal to analyze exactly what grip size can change in the golf swing. The GEARS 3D motion tracking system gives us precise data on clubface angles, dynamic loft, closure rate and more - paired with GC Quad for ball flight tracking, we were able to produce a definitive explanation of how to use grip sizes to influence the swing.
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Golf Pride MCC +4 Midsize grips are the absolute GOAT. Only grip I'll ever play.
Reg grip my top hand fits well and bottom part of the grip is too small...mid size grip is too big for my top hand but the bottom hand fits better...+4 is the best and is made because of feedback from pros...It was very difficult to get a consistent grip position with the grip too small because you cant feel that you are strong or weak quite as well .
Crazy, last thing i did last night before i went to bed was send my father in law an email about how i changed my grips on my driver and 3 wood back to standard. I made this change straight after a trackman session at my local GC. Then to wake this morning to see u guys do a video on grip sizes. Your passion, understanding and experience in delivering quality information to all level of golfers cannot be understated. Love your work lads! Always look forward to new content with my morning coffee!
So you spend a couple of hours painstakingly fitting a set of irons. Then with 5 minutes left you get asked what grip you want. You pick one and it change everything about your delivery and impact. So fit the grip first?
The one time I’ve ever gotten an extremely in depth fitting like they offer one of the first questions the fitter asked me was what grip I play. Like I’m pretty sure it was the second or third question. He proceeded to use an air compressor to put “my grip” on every single thing I made a swing with. Ended up with the best set of irons I’ve ever owned to this day. I didn’t even know that changing grips with an air compressor was a thing until that day.
@@TheMuffs2004 where was this fitting at?
@@TheMuffs2004 would also like to know where you got fitted like this! I’m almost 4 years into the game and have started messing around with jumbo grips and don’t know if I should replace all my irons with them. I love the jumbo golf pride CP2 grip on my 3 wood, 5 wood, and hybrid clubs
I don't think you "fit" the grip. You decide on a grip based on needs or preference.
Changing to midsize last year has been a game changer. From a bad low draw to a higher small draw and can work a fade. I’ve also been able to loosen the grip and relax
I wonder how many people actually realize how valuable this data is. Amazing work Boys!!!
Amazing?? How old are you?
Your channel has brought more knowledge to the average golfer and we all thank you for that.
Love watching you guys, every time I see Matt swing though I just can't get over his slow anticipating swing. It's unlike anything I think but he just hits it so well every single time.
I recently changed to a midsize grip and noticed this very thing in my delivery. I was a very low spin player, but noticed my spin increase from 5600 to 7500 with my eight iron with an increased grip size and ball change. I changed grip size to change my swing weight based upon your previous swing weight video, but had other positive effects. Been utilizing all your videos to fit myself to the equipment that I have and not having to buy a whole new set of clubs. Shot dispersion is much tighter. All the information you guys share is absolutely priceless. Keep it going!
Great video gents. As a 60 something the pain that comes with age is starting to set into the hands. Having small hands I usually use standard size grips, but have been trying a midsize in my driver and one hybrid. Results have been wonderful. Both clubs have become more accurate most likely due to less rotation and re-gripping during the swing. The connection feels much more consistent. Next up, make the dive and change out the whole set.
Constantly breaking new ground with every video, easily the best RUclips channel, so proud of everything txg represents!!
After that comment JP I'm sure that the TXG job offer will be coming your way👍😉
@@banditbaker1675 hope so 😂😂 the goal is to enjoy the job you do correct? 👌👌
@@JPMoon Sure is. I spent most of my career searching for the perfect role for my talents and finally found it when I retired lol
His swing looked different to me with the jumbo grips. More stable. I never thought the aoa would be more. It looked like it was shallower rather than steeper. Great vid. Thanks!
Just watching the Professor’s gears turning was worth the support to acquire the Gears system. It’s going to be a great journey for TXG. I can only imagine what’s going on in minds the fitters and builders at TXG from what could be explored in Gears and for that matter the combinations of technologies. 👍
Whisker, I wonder if wearing our TXG Bucket Hats will increase our shaft deflection?🙏😜
Bandit Baker Listen Bandit you gotta soldier up on this one ... it has to be tested ... you can do this it’s for science ... your going to have to sensor up ..... the variable of any outside influences of additional clothing will need to be taken out of the equation ... we need everything the Natural Bandit can be just you and the TXG Bucket Hat ... god speed Bandit! - Fade Out- Carrie crying - Cut- End Obscene.
@@whiskerrub3821 In the interest of science and for the future of mankind I accept the assignment, though it may be tough without my incontinence underwear
switched to jumbomax ultralite's a few months ago and it has changed my life. Was never a horrible ball striker but my ball striking has improved dramatically and my bad left miss is all but gone. As hockey player of 20 years, my golf clubs now feel like I'm swing a hockey stick and I absolutely love it.
I play jumbo grips in my irons and wedges and midsize in my woods because I could not square the face with the woods with the jumbo grip on it. Grip size definitely deserves more attention than it is given. Great video.
This was such an awesome video. I’m changing grips. Anything that minimizes hooks and left side misses would be a game changer for me. You guys are AWESOME. This is one of the best and most influential videos made by TXG.
I've experimented with multiple grip types and sizes and suspected as much but this test gives me much more confidence, as layers of grip tape 1/16 increments can seem like splitting hairs. TXG is the strokes gained system for equipment. Keep up the fascinating videos
Great video. I played for years with standard sized grips, then when I was properly fit I have a couple of extra wraps under my grips. This makes the club feel more comfortable in my hand and helps my delivery. I also grip the club properly.
A friend of mine whose bad shot was a hook went from standard to mid size grips and hey presto hook reduced. He can still bend it but it’s a conscious decision now not something that just happens.
Incredible content guys. Last year I tried jumbo with 2 layers tape on my driver, felt nice drove it real good. This year I regripped (midsize) all my clubs and started to mad hook my driver. My coach told me that my grip got strong after the jumbo grip. This video just validated what he said.
Pure gold and right on time. For fun i ordered raw components and built a custom set of clubs yesterday. I installed the Jumbo max XL grips on them to try them as I was struggling with face control. I kept telling my instructor I felt like I was "dumping" the swing. basically as Ian is describing it as moving the path more right to accommodate the excessive closing of the face. It's an odd sensation but I was absolutely reacting to the face of the club. I'm sure people think the grips are ridiculous but I'm 6'7" and my hands are about 10 inches long (XXXL) glove. Jumbo max probably feels to me like an standard jumbo feels like to someone with "regular" size hands. I liken it to the time I finally found 36" inseam pants. I was like ohhhhhhhhhhh so this is what it feels like when something fits correctly, how nice!
As someone who has been building and playing with these variables for well over a decade, I can't tell you how rewarding it is to see the theories I have been implementing based on physics are now being supported with established data! Woo Hoo! Thanks Boys!
I went to oversize grips and completely changed my dispersion/accuracy. Straight ball flights and far less handsy now
Great vlog guys - i have seen a big difference in control / consistency / spin for all of my irons, especially wedges, moving from Standard to Midsize.
When being fit buy very good fitters i am always told that I can choose between them both but on change over Midsize is where i am going all the time from now on in.
Nb Grip pressure if you are playing with the wrong size or ill fitting grip the pressure increases and your swing / plane / path can alter due to tension. We always tell / are told be relaxed / easy / no tension in any part of your game🙂🙂🙂
Ernie Els - The Big Easy!!!💪👍🙂
Great insights into the intricacies associated with launching a golf ball. I think we all look forward to more analysis with Gears. Cheers.
You guys need to absolutely do a podcast interview with Bryson DeChambeau . Look at his grips, his club setup. The golfing scientist would be great to here you guys discuss this with him.....👍🏼
Absolutely fascinating, gents. As a natural ‘blocker’ who has to really concentrate on shallowing my swing and turning the club face over, this is like gold dust to me. I’ve always suspected that skinnier grips helped me and fat grips hindered, but this validates my suspicion. There’s a PHD in the bag if you write up and publish this!
I had switched to jumbo grips before the first video you guys made on grip size. As someone who played base into college and not much golf I made a change because the grip felt better to me being closer to a baseball bat feel. And I noticed my draw I naturally always hit turned into a slight fade almost dead straight. Now I know why
This may be one of the most interesting videos I ever watched from you all. I am tinkerer and tech guy and this was just awesome to see the relation with grip and swing analysis. Awesome stuff per usual from the TXG boys! If only all my physics classes in college could have been revolved around this my GPA would have sky rocketed!!!!!
Thanks for the great vid as always!! On a totally separate note; I’m a lefty, like Matt, and I just watch, in aw, at his swing. That slow and long backswing with the power coming through. Would love for mine to look that fluid!!
Golf club fitter here. This video is amazing. It's crazy how much you can influence someone's game just by golf ball change, lie/loft, & grip size.
Super interesting as always, Matts swing tempo is something else. What a swing change since you first appeared on the channel. Practice clearly working well. Cheers guys.
I had some grips put on my irons by Golf Galaxy...I wanted standard grips because that’s what I always used. However, they messed up and put a midsize grip on my 7 iron, which I didn't notice until I took them to the range after I picked them up. Well, I was a bit PO’d at first, but after I started to hit my 7 iron, it was like an epiphany of divine intervention…I hit them so well and it felt so good, I knew I was playing the wrong sized grips…bit the bullet, took them back and told them the situation and GG was great about it, they put midsized grips on all my clubs and I only paid for the grips, free install. Basically, I have much more clubface awareness and my ball striking improved a ton with the large midsize grip. I would encourage golfers that play standard grips to put a midsize grip on their 7 iron and try it out at the range, you may have the same experience.
I will say, I have just been fitted with a new set of Callaway maverick. They have changed me into 1/4 inch over medium grip and 95g stiff flex and it's changed my game completely, an my swing is so much more comfortable with the mid sized grips. Makes a massive difference
After having a fitting yesterday (unfortunately not at TXG), this video helps me understand some of the data I received yesterday. This is a fantastic video.
Struggling with low hooks and an in-to-out path and had a feeling it was small/regular grip size. Just ordered MCC +4 Align midsize grips then came across this video. Confirmation. Thanks lads!
Another test that would interesting to see with the display screen off (for Matty) so that swing compensations are not made.
In this same vein of fitting... it would be interesting to see ball flight of a club 1/2in short and 1/2in long all with same lie angle.
Awesome video, again! More Gears!!!
Gears is so awesome! I bought one on Ebay for $1300 US. They thought it was broken but, it just needed a new cable.
Great info, was waiting for this video with analysis of driver and fairway woods! Be safe and keep up the good work!
Played reg grips for years. Found out going to jumbos’ my game has improved dramatically. I have big hands so it feels so much better probably normal now. Thank you for the review. (I also suffer from right shoulder problems so I feel more control better results better grip).
Very interesting find but there are other points to consider:
1. Other possible variables are weight and swing weight. How do they contribute to the ROC?
2. Is a higher spin loft achieved by a slower ROC desirable? If this means the face is open and the ball does not start online anymore? 5:35
3. Is this info applicable in a fitting? I don't know of any golfer who comfortably switches between undersize, std. size and jumbos.
Great find. But sorry boys, I had to curb your enthusiasm.
Looking forward to more gears stuff!
No problem, we will continue to play devil’s advocate ourselves until we understand how to control the variables. However to answer your questions.
1) We change the weight variables you mention regularly without seeing a change of this nature.
2) Higher spin loft is very desirable as a club fitter in an era where the ball doesn’t spin anymore. Taking spin off the golf ball is a lost art with today’s equipment. So I LOVE have having the option to try this with a player when the situation presents its self.
3) I could give you countless instances where golfers said they’d never switch to 460cc heads or out of their beloved DG S300 when they swing 6iron at 80 mph. The reality is if there is tangible evidence the it can have a positive effect on the outcome golfers will try it.
We’ll continue digging however as there certainly is more treasure to be found!!
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Love the videos around this length. Great insights that reinforce intuition. Thanks
I'll foreshadow the specifics about deflection that Ian hinted at near the end of the video. I read a published paper that demonstrated increases in shaft deflection with increases in rotation. So the undersize grip causing increased rotation is ALSO increasing shaft deflection, and the oversize grip with slower rotation has less shaft deflection respectively.
Admittedly with the exception of oversized putting grips that have kinda taken the golf world by storm the last decade or so grip size was nothing I ever paid attention to in my clubs until last year when I had this old driving iron re-gripped. The guy at the shop that re-gripped it for me either accidentally put on the wrong grip or perhaps thought that was the one I wanted . I could notice the difference in feel when I put it in my hand and I actually liked the way it felt so I told him to let me try it out before changing it out again. Went and hit some shots with it and I never hit that club better. Ended up putting the same Multi Compound OS grips on all my clubs and I don't think I'm ever gonna go back.
As a club junkie, I've gone through just about every grip you can buy. From Tour Velvets, to Iomics. I found the MCC Plus4 and it immediately felt right , and my scores improved. The swing weight feels correct for me too. I went down that grip rabbit hole and almost ruined my fitting, about 500.00 worth of grips later!
Have always used standard grip, smaller hands, bought a used Ping G410 with wraps under the grip and it feels so much better in my hand. For Christmas a "Re-Grip" might be the gift to myself. Unreal info. Great work as always guys, happy holidays to everyone.
Nice one guys. When I changed my full set at the start of last year I decided to do two layers of tape under a standard grip. It’s just made the grips a touch thicker but not too much. It’s really took left out of my game unless I really roll my hands or unless I cast it so bad my path causes me to go straight left. A rarity if I’m honest 👍
Very interesting guys. I switched to oversize grips last year simply because they felt good in my hands, but now my misses are generally to the right. After watching your video, I think I'll change back to regular size grips. Thanks. Very informative video.
Also be interesting to see how +4 grips in different sizes would through up numbers on this?
Yes!! I really want them to test the plus4 as well!
Excellent, I have beem waiting for you to return to this. Noticed that a lot of club fitters will fit you for a club then ask at the end what grip you would like. Surely that makes a difference to the swing, particularly someone like me who likes the GP MCC Plus 4? Tony
Love jumbo max grips (Bryson’s grips) much better than playing with standard at least for me. I switch all my clubs over to jumbo max and it’s made a world of difference for me.
This absolutely speaks to me. I have recently been playing a midsize golf pride cp2pro at 64g and have been pushing or fading the ball. I did try a standard size and notice something different, but couldn’t put my finger so I switched back. I think I do need a standard or undersize to help with rotation. Thanks for the in depth explanation!!!
Hi Guys, what about “golf pride plus 4” vs normal taper?
great vid. Thanks .I put jumbo max xl on long irons and finding it much easier to hit a fade. There was too much draw bias and launch was too low. This has helped a little.
Good stuff....as someone who over-draws the irons & slices the driver, would different grip sizes within a set be appropriate??
Fabio Branzino something worth trying
Wow Guys, just when I think that your content can't get any better you release a video that sets a whole new standard for YT Golf videos!!
PS Let me just get this settled in my head, "Size really does matter"? 😉
PPS TopBloke is planning to do a TXG piss-take vid, so good news Guys you've made the Big-Time!!!
The usage of gears is going to add test and another element to your content and will set you even further apart from the rest of the golf channels on youtube. I know that I look forward to every single one of your videos, more often than not I learn something new! Whether it's about club fitting and how all the different pieces can make a difference, or how certain things can influence the swing. Keep up the great work and looking forward to the knowledge coming from the gears system!
Nobody else does this stuff like you guys. Kudos guys.
Also to Ian and the guys, I would really love to see this type of breakdown with GEARS to determine if moving weight in the head impacts face rotation. We've all heard the "toe weight slows face rotation" but personally I don't think it does and I have never seen a test that actually proves it.
I absolutely love the work you guys do. Im a fairly high handicapper playing of around 18 ( and not getting the chance to play enough) but I really love this content and feel it’s really helping me understand my options a lot more clearly. It would be a total dream to get a fitting from you guys and hope one day you have a setup in either London, Zurich or Denver Co. so this can happen more easily. Keep up the great work. I wish you every success!
Have so far only put a Jumbo Max large grip on an old Adams driver ( i hook all drivers).
it has has straitened out my flight to the point of zero curvature and i can actually set up "open" and hit a fade which has been a revelation for someone who didn't use a driver for 2 years😃
Hey Boys, Tom (one of the fitters from Precision Golf here) - enjoyed our Instagram Live chat the other day. Great video here as always - i'd be really interested to know the differences in swing weight between these setups - could well be worth a follow up video where you try and neutralise the SW between the options.
Very cool video guys, that definitely validates the main things I have experienced and what the general wisdom has been. I have ALWAYS been more comfortable with a slightly smaller grip on my 3w as I use as primarily a right to left club (as a righty) off the tee. Instinctively I always felt like that made it easier to start the ball right and get it moving left, and that makes sense given not only the increased face rotation, but the subsequent swing path compensation that we make in response to it. Science!
I have also found a similar affect with counterweights as well. More/heavier weight under the hands slowed face rotation. That would be a great test for you guys too!
This is fascinating. All my clubs have midsize grips except my TS2 7 wood (standard align grip) and I can not for the life of my prevent it from going left even with it set to flat. Time to add the midsize!!
I'm the blocks and hooks guy! Especially with the driver. Playing MCC +4, and have been considering more tape underneath. Midsize intimidates me a little, but seeing this, I might reconsider.
I have oversize grips on my driver and woods but standard on my irons. I experimented over with them over the winter and that’s what just works for me
Great video and data presented. Switched to midsize grip as my miss was typically a pull with standard grip. Noticed a significant improvement with midsize grip with respect to ball direction. Now I know why.
While size impacts the swing, what is the swingweight change between the grips?
Ian Broglie - Ian generally says 1 swing weight point per 4g of grip end weight.
@@Melchior11 Yep. But my question is more related to what is the impact of swingweight on the swings described in the video. In the testing shown were the small/lighter grips counter weighted to match the larger/heavier grips to keep the swing weight the same? If not, did the swingweight change have a significant impact swing and strike too?
Whoops. I essentially asked the same question as you just minutes after you did. I'm hoping that enough people do and they address this topic when they do future videos on this subject.
@@Melchior11 the swing weight point changes aren't a one size fits all influence, meaning a slightly higher swing weight isn't going to affect Matts delivery the same as you or I. Some people can have great success with a wide range of swing weights and some people are really sensitive to small changes enough so that it mentally causes them to swing different. Completely player dependant.
@@kourt2469 Absolutely. Just wondering what the impact to the equation would be for Matt. Smallest to largest grip size could be 3 swingweight of difference, which is not insignificant to delivery.
Excellent. Fascinating. So much additional information to to add into the mix. The numbers don't seem big, but that's a pretty significant change between the biggest and smallest. I think you've found your content list for the next few years - redo all previous tests, using gears :)
More data, better haircuts, fresher threads, and better editing. Nicely done.
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Thanks TXG for keeping us entertained through these crazy time stay safe and keep up the great work 👍
Definitely can tell the difference.. just swapped a mcc4 standard on driver to midsize. Seems to affected the weight as well. Might swap back..
Very cool video. Love the information!
we need you guys to re open lol, been itching for my fitting!
Ian, you are a true technician
I understand why you are the 2nd best clubfitter in North America 😎
Went back and rewatched this video. Amazing insight here.
Ian, what size grips are you playing in 2021? Did the insight you gleaned from your grip size testing influence you to change your grip size - and if so, what were the results?
I'm playing Lamkin midsize grips, which I love - but they're getting a bit glassy and hard now (time for a regrip). I definitely need new grips, but I want to retain all of the great things that have been happening with my irons over the last two years (with the midsize grips). Is this something that can/would be covered in an iron fitting at TXG? I think that - seeing the results of a grip size change on GC Quard, along with a TXG fitter's input - would provide the best outcome. I also think I have answered my own question!
Let us know if you changed your grip size after this video.
Fantastic content - love (and appreciate) all of your videos!!! ~JT
You could see the difference in the all flights and where they landed relative to the target line. Great info and video!
Ian & Matty, this video is nothing short of outstanding. Absolutely fascinating, I so wish I had the chance to fly to Toronto from Vancouver to do a master fitting with Ian.
Ok so I game midsize +4 align. So according to this video. If I go down to a standard grip it should help straighten out my flight. And bring down my ball flight.
Awesome video! Really enjoy the technical side of it.
This guys a very consistent striker of the ball. I wish ! Does hand size dictate what grip I should be buying ? I’m getting back into golf and I’m starting from clueless really.
Matt's swing has changed so much!
I’ve been thinking down this path, but this convinced me to experiment with progressive grip sizes...great work gents!
Hey guys ! Great stuff ! could you try the Jumbomax grips out and see how they affect the swing?
I should be in midsize based off some of the suggestions I’ve heard and read. I changed to midsize and I struggled to release the club. Maybe because they were a lot softer than I was used to? CP2 Pro by GP...don’t do all your clubs like I did. I’ve now found a comfort zone with 3-4 wraps under my bottom hand or a “plus 4” style grip. Play what feels comfortable and gives you the best results!
Great video! I love the feel of a midsize grip but often use a standard grip and build it up quite a bit to save weight even though it wears the grip quicker.
I just installed Jumbo grips on my irons, and initial results I experienced more consistent ball striking and straighter ball flights, but the contact was more on the bottom of the head and flight path was more right of target vs a standard grip.
I'll need to work on how I hold the club, and concentrate on moving contact up the face.
Very informative video, GEARS is a nice addition, hope more nice videos using this,thanks guys for the great content
Love this..... it’s all in the detail chaps eh. I’m wondering if my grips are a tad bulked 🧐 my previous irons had standard grips and it’s fair to say my flight was more neutral. Reviewing the grip size etc for the new irons when fitted.. that’s for sure. Stay safe chaps
As someone with small hands this absolutely verifies what I feel. Time to get those grips standardized across my clubs!! Thanks boys. Love it.
Great video boys👍
Was very interesting to see the shaft flex via gears especially on the later segment of the video.
Can't wait for more videos with the Gears system included
Very well done video Matt! Editing was fantastic!
I’ve got mmc plus 4 midsize on all my irons and love them, but here’s where it obviously affect rotation because I’ve also got one one my 3 wood but not the 5 wood and I can’t for the life of me square the face with the fat grip on the 3 wood. Both rogue fairways standard size 5 wood grip goes dead straight
I've seen something similar. Absolutely love them on my wedges and irons & it's eliminated my tendency to hook my 3-wood off the deck. Kills me with the driver though - I hit straight blocks. A friend of mine had the same problem and fixed it by going from the +4 to the regular (left hand same, right hand thinner) just on the driver. Same effect as going thinner - slightly increase closure rate.
My glove size is XXL and I’ve always used Jumbo size grips. I hit a nice high draw which I’m comfortable with. If I use regular or midsize, I start to flip my hands at impact and develop a low hook. One thing that I don’t understand is, why when I go for a club fitting, they fit me using regular size Grips!
They are not doing the fitting correctly.
Love the Content. Was just about to search for the last grip size video based on yesterday’s Q&A and stumbled on this one
Makes a bit of sense, greater circumference of the grip the further the hand has to twist to get the same amount of face rotation.
As someone who misses left and has difficulty getting a sound grip because of arthritis, larger grips might be a win- win. Is Dr. Kendall in the house?:)
Timothy Daniels you know where to find him!! 😉
I just changed my grips to Midsized MCC +4 from CCp 2 grips that made a big difference now that I watched your video it confirms what I found
I've been using golf pride mcc4 jumbos on my irons for a few years. Absolutely love them. Really minimize face rotation. Tried the same grips on driver and woods and they were absolutely terrible! Too much weight and counter balancing on such a light long club. Would like to see the same same done with a driver because trying to have a slightly upward attack angle with a driver with a massive grip was very difficult for me.
Just got my new irons in, went with midsize grip mcc +4. Coming from stock taylormade standard size grips. These new ones feel way different, and my hand size is right at the top of standard, and bottom of midsize. Will take awhile to get used to I feel, but looking forward to playing them.
I’ll take Matt’s swing on his worst day. So consistent ughhhhhh 😭jelly but love it.
Still love the original video, but great job adding the gears technology!