Picard had all the ingredients checked off, but these people have absolutely no ability to tell a story, create an original character, cast a role, or construct anything but a bleak and depressing world. It's like trying to make a souffle by throwing eggs at a wall.
What I love most about this show is how uplifting and full of hope for the future it is. I mean, if Alex Kurtzman can keep getting work, then there must be a chance for all of us!
I was there in Vegas when Stewart made this announcement, he also said "star trek is what the world needs right now" or something to that effect, everyone was so elated. And then the show comes out and its nihilistic, depression and depicts zero hope for the future. It's a nasty piece of television.
It's also barely relevant to what was touted as being an influence on the show. That was just turned into set pieces which was barely touched on: xenophobia, reactionary politics, immigrants. What, a meanie news reporter, and a prologue of an attack, that's supposed to be enough? Yea no. The central premise was around this girl who was an android - who almost killed all organics on a whim - and the scaredy cat scat bash Romulans. Oh and a criminal arc for a few episodes, wowee. The show failed at even that. Not like it would help - the Federation is not going to change on a whim. Contract, yes, be confused, yes, but not give up just because the Martian shipyards (one of many) or Mars (yet one world of many) got got.
@@Eshanas Since they said it is planned for three seasons, I'm guessing that the Romulan and Borg plots were including because they'll factor in for the next two seasons. Maybe the Romulan situation will be tied up in 2 and then the Borg finally defeated in 3. It's sloppy to have them included and go nowhere in this season, but tv is made now with the idea that the whole series will be watched at once.
This is a modern TV show. You can't have optimism or hopefulness in any fictional medium anymore. It all has to be this bleak, cynical, depressing, nihilistic bullshit, because it "reflects our current climate". Don't give people optimism, just tell them how shit the world is and there's no hope.
I would be willing to concede that some people want to go there and that there is a market for this sort of stuff. It just isn't anything like old Star Trek. The whole space octopus plot is much more similar to Alastair Reynolds' Revelation Space universe.
There's been an increase in hack writers begging their prospective audience to give their schlock a chance before it's even been released. When you suck so hard you have to beg people to take it easy on you because you know what you've produced is total garbage.
@@InternetMameluq Nope. Just research of who was claiming that. If rape wasn't about power, it couldn't be a tool of the patriarchy to oppress women. It's a lie.
"Why is the location of Ten Forward in Picards dream, not where Ten Forward is? Ten Forward is located on deck 10, forward, at the exact front of the ship... Do they not know that's why it's called Ten Forward? Oh who am I kidding, of course they didn't..." Watching season 2 and realising that Mr Plinkett was fucking bang on the money...
I can't wrap my head around old Trek fans not ditching this show in the first 10 minutes of the premiere. Regardless of lack of Trek trivia knowledge, every line of dialogue seems like a f*you to the audience's intelligence. Worst of all, they pulled the nostalgia bait, fan-pandering routine to save season 3, and TNG widowers fell for it.
@@dr.juerdotitsgo5119 I specifically haven't watched season 3 because of the issues I had with seasons 1&2. People keep telling me "It's so much better!" Personally I need to get all my thoughts down on paper about the first two seasons before I consider watching season 3. And I intend for it to be a fair trial
@@romarudarkeyes Guess I'm definitely not as noble as you are then. I didn't even give the TNG movies a "fair trial", since I quit Generations after 20 minutes. Even with all its missteps, I'd rather rewatch all 7 seasons of Voyager, and TNGs 1st season for that matter.
@@dr.juerdotitsgo5119 I suffered through the first 4 episodes of season 1 and just couldn't take anymore. I actually did watch all of season 3 out of curiosity and I found it simply "watchable" (though not re-watchable. I have no desire to ever see it again). I really don't get why so many people were blown away by season 3 and calling it a return-to-form or whatever. It's definitely like you said, nothing but nostalgia bait and member-berries.
Yep. If someone worked really hard on cooking a roast dinner but it's burnt and unseasoned, you're gonna have trouble choking it down no matter how much time and effort it took.
I’ve seen that argument before. Like with phantom menace. Though kurtzman to be fair was asking for a chance and to judge his piece of shit based on merit. So that I respect.
You'll notice that there are no customary unsettling Plinkett sketches interspersed in this review. That's because they weren't needed; Picard has more than enough disturbing scenes on its own to fill that quota.
"I am the culmination of one man's dream. This is not ego or vanity, but when Doctor Soong created me he added to the substance of the universe. If by your experiments I am destroyed, something unique, something wonderful will be lost. I cannot permit that, I must protect his dream." - Data, Star Trek TNG "I would be profoundly grateful if you terminated my consciousness." - Data, Star Trek Picard
An old man who is approaching the end of his natural life gets a new android body so he can go on limping up stairs getting winded. And an android built to live forever without aging wants people to turn him off. Yep, that sounds like nu-Trek logic.
@@the81kid In fairness, that's something scifi's been getting wrong for a long time across a huge number of works - this idea that the only thing that enables us to be human is that we all die. Why? Death sucks. It's a total waste of resources. Hawking died and whatever physics theories he was thinking about are gonna take longer to figure out because he's not thinking about them anymore. Same with Einstein, and Feynman. And then there's people like Carter, who's spent his post-presidential years doing almost nothing but making the world a better place through Habitat and other initiatives. He's gonna die and then there won't be any more Carter initiatives. The world will be poorer for his loss. And yeah, that's really simplified, but that's because apparently scifi writers need it simplified so they stop falling back on the tired old BS that we have to die in order to live. Beyond that, on a personal level death also sucks, which is why we spend most of our lives pretending that we're not going to die - because the alternative is too horrifying to continually contemplate. There's absolutely nothing noble or good about death as a concept, and it's time scifi writers stop waxing on as though there is.
I always wanted a LOTR spinoff with Frodo, post ring destruction, where he massacres elves because they went to the Grey Havens. Makes about as much sense.
@@henrymartinvo Don't forget her massive long string of female and orc lovers that were like TOTALLY missunderstood and could be changed teh (( and the low budget chinese made fight scenes confessing her love for an ancient spider.... oh god help me please )).
I just want to say that I'm glad we as a society are slowly containing the plague that is Alex Kurtzman's writing. I'd say it was between Cowboy's and Aliens, The Amazing Spider-Man 2, and The Mummy that Hollywood executives realized he was box office poison. They wouldn't even let him write for Star Trek: Beyond. Now he can only get work on his friend JJ Abrams' TV productions of Star Trek. If we keep self-isolating from his terrible, hackneyed, grotesque writing, the WHO can declare Kurtzman's scripts eradicated in the field, and we can finally come out of lock-down. So, Star Trek did save humanity. It sacrificed it's own quality so that we might survive.
> I just want to say that I'm glad we as a society are slowly containing the plague that is Alex Kurtzman's writing. I wish that was true. He's involved in the Clarice Starling TV series. Jeebus. Just let Bryan Fuller do Hannibal Season 4 and have license to use the character until Fuller quits.
The montage of optimistic Star Trek gave me tears of hope and joy, then the montage of horrible violence gave me tears of laughter. That ending is my favorite thing you've ever done.
Ironically, THE ORVILLE is the only thing left presenting a future that FEELS like the original TNG future! Basically all contemporary Sci-Fi shows are just horror, violence, dystopia...
Actually, I've noticed a lot of solidarity between Star Trek and Star Wars fans. I like both, but Star Trek is my favourite - but even if you only like one, you kind of realize that both groups of fans have been royally screwed over by incompetent hacks who couldn't write a coffee order.
I like to imagine Dahj got her name because in the original script she was just "Daughter", then the writers lazily shortened it to "Daug", then they were like "Yeah, that works".
I’m glad someone else thinks this. When i first saw the show, I literally thought that’s what it was supposed to be and that it would be acknowledged. But it just fucking wasn’t.
I wasn't sure how on point he was until that space octopus shit. Did Patrick Stewart ask to star as Commander Shepherd when the producers asked him what 'Picard' should be? If so, why is Legion a tween instead of a sick af geth unit? AND WHERE THE FUCK IS MA BIRD BOI GARRUS?! *GETH DON'T USE WINDOWS, THEY ARE STRUCTURAL WEAKNESSES* someone is fucking with my meds
Yeah, but L Ron Hubbards life was more interesting than anything Alex Kurtzman could make. Let’s see Kurtzman write a character that does ritual sex magic and has a boat full of corgis.
@@CSestp Yea... the public opinion of Battlefield Earth I can wave away as a poor movie adaptation that went off the rails seeing it happened like 15 years after L Ron died... But creating your own religion??! That's next level shit.... Maybe the Mormons come close but that was pioneer-fiction, which hasn't aged well... L Ron was smart enough to take the science fiction route.
I’m going back through RLM Star Trek videos because of the new Picard season 2 video. One thing that stood out to me at the end of this one that I didn’t think about before was “role models.” In real life, I am a 40-something year old aerospace engineer, 100% because of TNG. As a child I loved Star Wars and Star Trek, but TNG specifically felt like my future. I knew I wanted to do with my life because I wanted to be Geordi and Data, and I saw Picard as the erudite father figure that I never had. I wanted so much to be there, and I did the best I could in the bounds of my reality. Role models. Absolutely, new trek has no roles models. It is just miserable people wallowing in their misery. The audience just hates their lives. They hate their world. They hate everyone. Everything sucks. And damnit Star Trek has to be just as miserable. It can’t be hopeful. It can’t make us want to be better. It’s sad. At least real Star Trek is still available, but unfortunately it is buried in a mountain of media. Young people will probably never find it.
It's really interesting to read comments like yours because I'm the same age and I agree. The Star Trek I watched and superhero comics I read when I was a kid had a big effect on how I see the world as an adult. Current Star Trek and superhero comics just seem miserable because apparently "miserable" means "deep" nowadays.
@@BiggieTrismegistus What do you think one of the more inspirational positive-influencing series in production today is? I have elementary and middle school kids, and I would like to guide them towards the equivalent modern products. I’ve found many quality items over the years, but they’re not really STEM related. The best sciFi series are all TV-MA.
@@pawned79I can't really think of an equivalent relatively new sci-fi series. Honestly I've become so jaded with what the entertainment industry releases nowadays that I've kind of tuned it out completely. I spend most of my time "in the real world" so to speak. You probably know about it already but if you want a good STEM show in general guide them toward Mythbusters. They get to learn about science and engineering while watching stuff get blown up.
What kurtzman-trek demonstrates is that a show is only as smart as the people writing it. An obvious fact to be sure, but my point is that this Picard is Picard in name only, because the real Picard wasn’t Patrick Stewart. “Picard” was the people writing the character. Those people are gone now, replaced by substantially dumber people... and this show is the result
Sheer f*cking arrogance that the writers actually think that this is something worth watching... Just very amateurish and simple-minded. Amazing they can't see past their own self-proclaimed greatness. They just plain do not get what Picard or Trek is. These clowns mention the hope and optimism of Trek in these interviews, but the story they come up with has none of these qualities. Random ideas strung together with no cohesion or thoughtfulness.
The fact that Patrick Stewart is deeply involved during the development of this clusterfuck shows how little he actually cared about Star Trek's message and the ideology represented by Jean-Luc Picard.
That was for sure the showrunners' first mistake, and the mistake of viewers who felt some sort of emotional obligation to respect "Picard" as a mere brand name: they figured the actor was all they needed to sell everyone on the character. Even worse, the showrunners put Stewart in the writers' room, when all evidence suggests that, smart as the man may be, this character's one that needs to be written for him. Stewart's own suggestions need to be curbed, if anything.
Could not have said it any better myself. The assortment of writers and creators that made peak TNG cannot be recreated in 2020. Thus we will never get anything of the sort ever again
Yeah, their STD: Season 2 re:View also had Sonequa Martin-Green comment on how much she loved the "writing". It's almost as if the writers know they are dumb hacks who ruin franchises, and they need to blather on about their own "great writing" to cover up their insecurities.
@@gregbauer4433 In 2017, I sat down to watch the first episode of STD with genuine excitement. However, they preceded the actual episode with a 15-minute preview in which the presenters raved about how interesting the new Klingon appearance would be and how intriguing the new Klingon voices would be. Right then, before the show began, I knew that there was something very bad about the new Klingon appearances and voices: it was easy to guess that the test audiences had scorned these features. It shows how marketers operate: when some part of a product is bad, they praise that part to the skies.
@@dandeliondown7920 Sounds about right. "The empty can rattles the most", as the saying goes. I never saw that preview, fortunately. I do remember the episode itself, and I thought the endless scenes of them speaking in Klingon were about as unbearable as Chewbacca's family speaking Wookiee for what felt like the first 960 minutes of the Star Wars Holiday Special. As a kid, when I watched Star Trek I wondered "Why don't the Klingons speak Klingon when they're off by themselves?" After watching STD's first episode, I thought "Oh, that's why. It's a living nightmare."
Maliciousness aside, I've seen the first episode, and I'd avoid that even. I tried desperately to do other things as the hope faded from my brother's eyes.
@@drlca6601 I just fail to understand the logic of creating a show that alienates your core demographic-Trek fans. Surely they must know that the reason Netflix has kept these shows is that people are still watching them many years later. I just don't know who they think they are writing for.
Just got done watching this with my wife. Her exact comment: "Wow, he must really be taking this review seriously if he hasn't mentioned Pizza Rolls or his dead wife, not even once!"
Watch his review of STAR TREK: The Motion Picture (if you didn't already). I'm the same age as Mike and I completely feel and understand the passion for STAR TREK. I grew up with TOS on tv - then TNG started in the early 90s (in Germany - in the US in 1987) - and I was from then on in love with STAR TREK. Yes, it's always about a certain nostalgia (something which - say - 20 year old Trek fans might not understand) - but in the end it's really about a special feeling that TNG, DS9 and VOYAGER created: An amazing future, a future, one wanted to live in - hope, optimism, enlightenment! Contemporaty TREK had been reduced to 99% action/sex/violence/drama and DYSTOPIA! I do not want to live in the world of Discovery! And the time of Picard also seems broken. AND THAT IS SAD!
My main problem is this show tries way too hard to be edgy. Having an admiral drop F bombs here and there and having a 67 year old Jonathan Frakes tell someone he's going to kick their ass isn't edgy. Its embarrassing and immature.
Someone on the bridge dropping an f bomb is weird. Do you think people on the bridge of a US aircraft carrier curse casually when addressing their commanding officer?
@@My20GUNS You said it. It's "dark and edgy" for adults. Also sympathetic & humane. The Major sorta hates Dukat, the Cardassian. But she helps him come to terms with being father to a half-Bajoran daughter. Much more solid writing.
I thought the same thing. When that admiral started talking like an angsty 12 year old trying to rebel against her parents, I rolled my eyes and knew the series was done. F-bombs are lazy, cringe writing. I felt actual embarrassment while watching it. That and the unnecessary closeup gore. Why??
I read Wil Wheaton's body language in all of those interviews as 'Please put me in the next season, please hire me, I'll be good, please give me a job!' So sad.
RLM is literally the only time I’ve ever heard anyone ever mention Star Trek: Picard or Discovery. I’m not entirely convinced they exist in the first place
@Dmitry Terek I think it's pretty cute how you went from descriptors of just people to descriptors of human disease and madness. My quarter century of using the internet, watching five generations of human beings use the greatest resource ever created by Mankind and people like you have never changed. Sad shit.
1:23:00 "Don't let the actors write the show!" Reminds me of that line from Futurama: "When I directed Star Trek V, I got a magnificent performance out of me, because I respected me so much!"
Nemesis all the way back in 2002 also made it clear what the potential problems were with letting actors run things in a Star Trek project, and that Patrick Stewart in particular would come up with some very out-of-character ideas for Picard if you let him (that dune buggy scene, for example). Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
@@gregbauer4433 So 3, 4, and 8 were all flukes then? (Search For Spock, Voyage Home, and First Contact were all co-written and directed by members of the cast. Leonard Nimoy for 3 and 4, and Jonathan Frakes for First Contact.)
@@BioGoji-zm5ph No. I did say "potential" for that exact reason. Though I noticed you left out 9, which Frakes also directed. I guess it wasn't good enough to make your list. :-)
Modern Trek wants to replicate the darkness of DS9 but they don't understand why DS9 was dark or how DS9 used those darker themes. DS9 was a response to how cleanly TNG resolved a lot of very complex situations. For example, the Enterprise would get two conflicting factions to sign a peace treaty and then fly off at the end of the episode. DS9 showed how problems aren't solved that easily. A treaty doesn't make decades of distrust and war disappear. Someone has to stay and deal with the nitty gritty. Someone has to rebuild the society after the war, to make sure that the treaty is enforced after the diplomats have left, to keep the peace if the treaty is broken. Picard lays the foundation for peace, but Sisko stays and roll up his sleeves to rebuild the civilization. And DS9 never contradicted the message of TNG. DS9 never said that we shouldn't work together or try to resolve conflicts through diplomacy. The darkness in DS9 was to emphasize just how important TNG's ideals of cooperation, diplomacy, and peace are. The whole point of episodes like "Siege of AR-558" is to show how horrific war is and why we have to do everything we can to avoid it. Discovery and Picard dials the darkness of DS9 up to 11 but it doesn't have even a fraction of the depth. They want to exist in the more complex and gritty world of DS9 but they resolved problems as easily as crappy Saturday morning cartoons, without doing any of the extra work of DS9.
Dude. Who said you were allowed to make excellent points and observations like this? Just shit up and consume more product. Enough of this well thought out analysis stuff. Geeze.
The way I look at it is that if new Trek did the Homefront / Paradise Lost two parter, it would've just been the first part and the main characters would be the ones sabotaging the power grid.
This is devastating, and I'm not even a trekkie. But the ending is just too much. I hate the producers of this show I never saw. Thats Mike's sheer credibility.
I know I was late responding to this comment but I appreciate hearing that a non-Trekkie found that ending disheartening too. As a certified Trekkie I know now I can show that to a non-Trekkie to show why the hell I disliked seasons one and two of Picard so damn much. It almost felt like the creators of the show were motivated by spite for Star Trek and its fans.
I probably sound like one a the bots he was talking about but idc, that end juxtaposition of old trek and new broke my fucking heart@@BiggieTrismegistus
When Brent Spiner said "She's always had a passion for Vulcan culture..." He waves his hand. Literally a hand-wave explanation for how an android can perform a mind-meld.
It would MAYBE make sense for some genetically weird Romulan to be able to mind-meld because thousands of years prior they and the Vulcans had a common species/ancestor. That is really outlandish, but made more sense than what this show did.
The last five minutes are the harshest RLM criticism in any review I have ever seen. That was the drawn and quartering after disembowelment this show deserves.
Oh, SO MUCH! We need optimism and HOPE! THAT is what STAR TREK was about for so many decades! A future to look forward to. Mankind reborn after WW3 and evolving technologically and spiritually into something BETTER. Watching Discovery and Picard is like watching people from the 21st century with all their emotional crap, drama, hate and swearing.
The Hollywood bugmen, who wear thick rimmed glasses and think like the Borg, don't realize the Star Trek we need would do a dressing down of THEM, not of Picard.
I just saw the Kenneth Branagh movie 'All Is True'. It's pretty much the Plinkett Picard pitch, just set in the 17th Century: An ageing William Shakespeare leaves his theatrical life behind, tends his garden in Stratford-upon-Avon, comes to terms with mortality and the life that he's sacrificed for his glittering career, entertains visiting old friends from his glory days with whom he has unfinished business, deals with problems in his family and the local community (one of which he solves using a skilfully used tall tale about his time on the stage), fends off a visiting fanboy, and has candlelit meals with glasses of wine. It's a lovely, small-scale, episodic movie that absolutely would have worked as a TV series, and there's no reason why the same couldn't have been done for Picard.
Good thing he did. Everything I used to enjoy is turning/has turned to shit, but somehow, Orville came out of nowhere and rekindled good sci-fi for me. It's funny to see the contrast between what passion does with an IP versus what high budget corporate types do. The guy who made Family Guy is doing circles around the two major sci-fi giants I grew up loving, because he loved what they used to be.
@Nalidus It's the same reason I love Mandalorian and haaaate the sequels. You can see which team had Star Wars fans and lovers versus which had people who just wanted to make a big budget movie. They need to have fans of the franchises leading them cause the idiots they keep bringing in are clearly not interested in the IP itself, they're in it for the "prestige?" of working on certain IPs. Just think... Ryan Johnson will forever be one of the dumb fucks that had a hand in Star Wars. The fact that he was a major part of it's decline doesn't matter. He touched the prequels anyway... Nothing those fucks put out is canon to me.
That wasn't the first season, that was from like season 5 or 6. And I think that really shows you how much better TNG was. They had 7 seasons and the fans wished there were more! After just 1 episode of Picard and fans of TNG were wishing there were less!
SirPatStew, perhaps paying homage to SirMikeCaine: "I have not seen the Picard show, but all accounts it's *terrible* -- but I HAVE seen the house it bought, and by my own account it's *terrific!*
A great many plots in much better media than "Picard" make less sense the more attention you pay to them. That includes some stuff you love personally, without a doubt. Those sorts of inconsistencies start to _matter_ when other aspects of the work fail: the audience loses interest in the characters, or the tone is all over the place, or etc., and often a combination of those problems. Storytelling is an art, not a science. This is why "plot holes" sometimes matter and sometimes don't.
His amazing lack of skill for keeping the Audience empathetic and keeping their disbelief suspended is unreal. It's terribad to precious unknown levels of _fuck._ And this dude makes millions of dollars for this shit, along with above average aggregate scores: all the signs of a reliable fraud to be weaponized again for whatever IP needs to get more money squeezed out. And he's not big enough of a name to Joe & Sarah Six-Pack to dis/persuade viewers. Fucking top hired gun for the Age Of Sci-Fi Homogenization. So much support that fuck ups are victories; you're just a neckbearded badthink CIS-shit _blahblahblah_ if you don't like it--be a *REAL* fan and fucking eat this dripping wet, sticky buttbutter sandwich. I'm glad to not be a Trekkie aside from RLM analcyst. Horrible graverobbin' skullfuck screwjob: _"aw fucket, guess I'll just die even more inside"_ *CBS is an embarrassment.*
My heart broke when I learned that Patrick Stewart basically all but commissioned what ST Picard is as a show. I can't help but to lose hope that the show will morph into real Star Trek. And I've also lost a bit of respect for Mr. Stewart himself.
@@AB-ii8st I thought that was common knowledge? TNG was a job to Stewart, and he gave it his all because he is an extremely talented professional, but he never harbored any real love for Trek.
@@glitchedoom that isn't what he said when he was interviewed on Top Gear. He said he was a big fan of TOS so he was thrilled when he was offered the role of Picard on TNG. It's hard to see how a fan of TOS would like this, though.
"The Human race is a remarkable creature, one with great potential, and I hope Star Trek has helped to show us what we can be if we believe in ourselves and our abilities" - Gene Roddenbery R.I.P Gene and your vision
Gene's vision never died. We are just seeing this abomination as the failure of our culture but not in the vision. That will always live as long as there are people who keep the ideals alive.
The left wing of old are just people with different ideas, they still want to improve the world, the far left are just mindless npcs with fem bots at the top who just destroys everything
@Johnnie Walker how did the "far-left" destroy star trek? You do understand that both ST:P and ST:D are products of watching the markets and realizing that action sells. And using brand recognition to sell is another easy captitalist cash-grsbbing move. If you think this is anywhere near what the far-left thinks and wants you don't know what you're talking about and have been sold a complete backwards ideology by morons who want you to be a moron and not think about anything. All of these semi-new Hollywood trends are to sell the most they can, with the least effort they can, to the most people they can. And that's the farthest thing I can think from the far-left
I get people trying to make Star trek into an action and adventure show. But You still need a story that justify the action. Michael Burnham is not likable at all
Star Wars crapped all over the original characters and plot. Terminator literally terminated it's hero. Ghost Busters danced on the grave of respectable story telling. Jurassic World turned the awe of Dinosaurs into bio-engineered monsters wrestling in a gift shop. And now Star Trek turned the deepness of space and all it's philosophy into a 14 year old's dream during wisdom teeth removal on laughing gas. What a time to be alive....
Exactly. I can't wait until the JJ Abram's reboot of Back to the future Starring Glen Close as Doc Brown and the girl from Akeelah and the Bee as Martina McFly fighting against Trumps America and Brexit, or whatever.
Don’t forget Doctor Who! Suffering under the same plague so extreme it’s about to earn its second cancellation in 50 years!(third if you count the failed comeback attempts with Paul McGann)
When they announced that Q and Guinan would be in season 2, I gotta admit they had me a little fooled. I thought, “I don’t think STP will ever be amazing but SURELY it won’t be as bad as season 1. Maybe with those two being back some of that old Star Trek energy will be brought back.” But apparently one episode in and they’ve already shoehorned Picard having a tragic childhood where his dad used to beat his mom as an explanation for why Picard is reserved, and it’s implied that him doing the whole Star Trek thing was just him running away from his past. Cause it’s not like he could just be doing it out of duty and for the good of humanity, right? For fuck’s sake!
I appreciated that in the end it turned out his dad wasn't abusive. It just seemed that way because young JLP didn't understand his mother's bipolar disorder.
I would swear Will Wheaton deserves all the crap he has coming to him from selling out but, maybe he has a family to feed. I would like to think he didn't do it to maintain some sort of social relevance. I hope they paid handsomely for his soul.
TBH "Picard" sucks, but Star Trek fans are some of the fussiest, brattiest, most self-entitled fans out there, they practically invented that stereotype by embodying it
When the Discovery reviews came out, I was like... Mike and Rich are old and bitter, I'll watch it and form my own opinion... And my opinion now is that they were too lenient and forgiving with Discovery.
@Aaron K That is EXACTLY the issue. They have their money. You caring whether or not the show is good is irrelevant to them. God damn. How do we get out of this never ending puzzle box?
That compilation of scenes at the end says more than words ever could about how Star Trek has become. What was once intelligent, uplifting, inspiring and thoughtful has become shallow, disturbing, nihilistic and unsubtle.
You know what really hit me the hardest? The way Agnes (the blonde lady) says :" Turns out space is pretty boring.." and Rios says :" what did you expect?". Literally their stance on all good trek.
@@Eisenwulf666 See, in a better show that wouldn't even be a bad line because actual space travel is boring. The day to day on a starship in Star Trek is like the patrol route on a naval vessel. It's routine and mechanical because you've got really long distances to travel without much to do, other than your assigned tasks, and usually you don't run into anything. Doesn't make any sense in Picard, which is trying to be like Star Wars, where they're having life-or-death adventures every five minutes.
Long gone are the days when TV shows would crowdsource ideas and accept scripts from people not connected with the show (like, say, TNG Season 3 did, which helped give the show new life). Now the way to deal with constructive criticism and different ideas is to abuse people on social media. Imagine if Captain Picard ran the Enterprise like this.
@@ninjabearpress2574 I mean it might be from all the people tweeting at CBS saying how much the show sucks and referencing RLM. That's what basically happened with Shatner.
I really like your analogy at the end about the kids ruining their father's train when he was away. It's very apt. Except in this case those dumb kids ruined it after their father passed away, which is even worse.
Red Letter Media: Puts out Plinkett review for Star Trek Picard. Me: “Well guess I’m watching a 90 min review about a series I’ve never watched... and know nothing about... and have no interest in.”
The idea that Picard gets a new body which is exactly the same as his old, elderly body...is...too stupid for accurate description. Sorry, I'm just going somewhere to peel all the skin from my face.
It's comically contrived. It's like something a high school production would do because they have a shoestring budget and only so many actors. "Hey, look! It's a new character! Who is an exact clone! Don't think about it too much!"
Basically it gives the producers an excuse to kill off Picard in the next season, but then upload the character into a fresh new actor, thereby keeping Picard alive as a brand. Think Doctor Who regenerations, only way more stupid. The reason they'll probably do this later, rather than having done it now is probably at Stewart's insistence, or at least just a sneaky way to ease the audience into the idea that this can happen now without jumping in headfirst.
I just hope audiences finally reject that shit but the problem is it's reinforced by an army of media journalists and attention-seeking vloggers/bloggers who make a living out of guessing the answers to the mysteries for those too stupid to think for themselves.
I've never understood this modern value system that you have to like ALL of a thing if you're a fan of it. Mike's critique of Picard comes from a place of love. As fans, we all used to be able to debate freely whether we can like something or not and having alternate viewpoints was encouraged and healthy. Nowadays even just saying Picard isn't to your liking is enough to get hordes of people coming down on your like a ton of bricks, saying we're "gatekeeping" etc... you know what, maybe when it comes to the beloved characters, maybe I want to gatekeep, because based on Star Trek Picard, these people don't understand Star Trek. But once upon a time we were allowed to have different opinions. And not liking something isn't a sign of a hater... sometimes it's a sign of someone who loves something so much that they hate to see it fail so badly.
@@sillonbono3196 :D It worked insofar as a 5 year old makes dinner. It's slop and has left a mess and nobody is happy or satisfied, BUT THERE'S SOMETHING ON THE PLATE! Be well! :D
you know, when plinkett in the end cut together the inspirational quotes from "the old trek" I was kinda sad to see what had become of star trek ever since... and then the cut to new trek came
Stewart rejecting the first draft then accepting the second. Kurtzman: This Stewart: Oh, dear god, no. Kurztman: Still this, but an extra zero on your paycheck Steward: Make it so
The funniest thing to me about all of this is that there's a "Mirror Universe" comic book series set during TNG that's dark and gritty but is 1,000,000 times more classy, respectful, well thought-out, and faithful to Star Trek lore and canon. And it doesn't read like "I'm a 14 year old edgelord and here's my 'what if Star Trek was badass' fanfiction". I wouldn't say it's the most intelligently written expansion to the Star Trek lore but it doesn't make me physically ill like learning all the failures of Picard has. I woke up this morning to finish this review and thought it was my hangover that was making me want to vomit. Nope, just Picard.
Agreed, Mirror Broken expanded the TNG mythos in a really fascinating way. On the same note, if anyone is looking for more Star Trek that's more in line with classic shows, the pocket books and novels are fantastic and there is a wide variety of them from TNG, TOS, VOY and original ideas like Star Trek: Titan which follows Riker as a captain post-nemesis
When Picard was announced I was sure they'd base it losely on the Star Trek: Destiny novel trilogy. Because THAT is what this show should have been... god, those books are so good and fit so well with established canon! David Mack, the author of that trilogy, really knows his stuff. It's so annoying to know that such a good story exists but isn't canon!!!!!!
The very first episode of TNG was Q judging the human race as barbarians, and the rest of the series could arguably be seen as them proving him wrong. All to lead to this. Maybe Q was right all along.
Of course Q was right, he's Q, And as we all know a Q is never wrong, he's simply temporarily rendered incorrect until reality bends back to his vision.
It's funny because they're trying to be ultraprogressive by showing women and brown people running everything, but they also show that world being a hellish dystopia.
If a Q is never wrong, then the Writers are trying to make sure Q was absolutely right in that first episode of TNG. Maybe they DO care about Star Trek lore?
"You just don't get it, do you, Jean Luc? The trial never ends. We wanted to see if you had the ability to expand your mind and your horizons, and for one brief moment, you did. [...] For that one fraction of a second, you were open to options you had never considered. That is the exploration that awaits you... charting the unknown possibilities of existence." I think people misunderstand what Star Trek is about.
The inspirational start trek bits at the end being followed immediately by the violence and vulgarity of Picard really drives home the fact that this show was complete trash.
The makers of the new show cannot conceptualize the future presented in Star Trek, even though it's not all that special, because they are bitter people with trash souls, and everything they make is fouled by and reflection of that trash.
The end of this video made me sad then angry. Yeah, fuck those douchebags, but I don't think Patrick Stewart really appreciated what he had been involved in all those years either.
@@Tchoukis And to think that the original series came out during one of the serious periods of the Cold War. With the fear of Nuclear Armageddon right around the corner.
@@Tchoukis it's more cynical than that. They believe that their vision of the future is the preferred course and the correct way to reach the most viewers. All the talk of storytelling yet nothing bold or creative came from the show, just hackneyed, tired sci fi action tropes.
I enjoyed the end of this video where you remind us of what real Star Trek used to be. You give a random DS9 episode to show that many times you can lay out the full situation to an audience up-front, no secrets, and explore how the characters react to the situation and work through their feelings. So true when I watched Barge of the Dead last night, a Voyager episode and really enjoyed exploring the emotional and spiritual plight that Torres found herself in. One of the few Torres episodes of the later years and it was much better than all Seven of Nine borg stuff. Also found out after it was written by good writers Ronald D Moore and Bryan Fuller. Its the good writers that need to be brought back, not Patrick.
They literally just stole the plot of Mass Effect beat for beat, right down to the dead hero being copied into a mechanical body. Oh, and the army of synthetics trying to open a portal in order to let a race of machine-god space octopi through to cleanse the galaxy. Completely shameless.
What about when Rodenberry copied the Twilight Zone episode People are alike all over when he made the Cage? Susan Oliver plays the same character in each
@@festo8756 Right but that's just a single episode, not the plot of an entire series. And let's not forget the utter plagiarism in STD, of an indie developer no less. Both shameless and disgusting, the way that guy was treated. Kurtzman is nearly incapable of original ideas. And when he does have them, they're terrible and make no sense.
@@monkeymox2544 There's more plagiarism in the rest of the series. I just gave you one example. Balance of Terror is a rip-off of the movie Enemy Below. Do you want more examples?
It's a good ending because the fact is the reason they bother to make this stuff in the first place is to get your money. Starve them out of existence.
I have never heard Plinkett sound so genuinely sad as he was at the last section of the video. Thank you, Mike, for putting into words what so many of us feel.
"On the world the humans call... Mars" So, just Mars then? Seems unlikely that the Romulans would have a different name for one of Earth's neighbouring planets. Even if they do, shouldn't the universal translator deal with that?
Riker: "On the world Romulans call....... Remus." Geordi: "Why did you say it like that?" Riker: "That's what they call it." Geordi: "That's what *we* call it, too, because that's its name!"
Remember in that one episode of TNG when they bring those people out of the cryogenic sleep and they don't understand why that musician guy damaged his body with drugs and alcohol? Now everyone is drinking and smoking. I guess that's considered cool and edgy in the mind of a 13-year old a.k.a. Alex Kurtzman.
Playing devil's advocate here, maybe that guy brought drugs and excessive use of alcohol back into 24th century society, lol. He had zero competition!!!
Those writers dont know meaning of that word, they think love is what you pay for in some dirty street.... and they have been paid a lot for this trash.
What gets me the most about this, is Stewart's speech about how he'd received messages in the past from people about how star trek saved their lives. James Doohan had a similar experience talking about a lady who sent him a suicide note, and he wrote her back asking to see her in person and ended up convincing her not to do it. Stewart implies heavily that Picard is back for similar reasons, because people "need" star trek right now. Does anyone, Patrick Stewart included, actually believe this bleak violent bastardization of old Trek, that actually goes out of it's way to kill off old characters or have them be depressed suicidal alcoholics will cause some depressed person to believe life is worth living after all? I'm not saying the show is going to cause people to off themselves, but if it's his goal to inspire hope and give people with none a reason to go on, he's missed the mark in the opposite direction.
I believe there are many factors why Stewarts personality became polar opposite of Picards. 1.) He is very old, some people are old in head too... its called dementia 2.) He has joint illnes, speaks about it in old interviews, he also tells he is smoking and taking large dosages of painkillers... well do it in 80 years and you are happy if you can even stand 3.) For decades he is filthy rich and isolated from normal world, he does not speaked with fans at all till this nutrek, he is so old that he is not using internet, he lives in buble of rich elite 4.) There is group of people which is manipulating him for their own goals, they tell him "this is" what fans want, do this and we pay you xx milion dolars, when he do as they say he is "good boy" if he doesnt they will be very mean on him and dont give him dolars. 5.) He was only actor his all life, he never expanded his personality. And so here we are with old manipulated demented drugged 80 years old "man" which barely knows what is happening...
@@wattylersghost well they shamed Picard on purpose for being a white male. Literal words of the creator. He was somehow privileged as a man in a post sexism post racism society, and needed to be put in his place and made to suicide himself for redemption.
its what they do to all our cultural images of strong white men. And its what they will continue to do. Luke Skywalker and now Picard. These characters were ended with the same level of out of character writing. Its hateful and full of forced perspective. Its sad to see such great things be toppled by armatures.
I think people just have the wrong idea about Stewart. Star Trek was a paycheck to him nothing more nothing less he wanted to quit after season 3. He really did not take off as a "mainstream icon" until he was cast as Prof X. Stewart himself said in an interview that he was never in a writers room until ST: Picard. That bit of information tells you Jean-Luc Picard was the writers not Stewart. Long answer short, Stewart cares nothing for Star Trek he just wants people to clap for him again.
i forced myself to watch all of Star trek picard, and the ending of this video (and some parts in the middle) got so much more emotion out of me that the whole show. Bring back real star trek, we really need it right now.
TNG was meant to portray a hopeful future for humanity that had grown past tribalism and greed. Humans in the federation were sophisticated and followed intellectual pursuits. The new Star Trek wants to inject as much modern politics as possible. If I wanted that I could turn on the news.
You can have topical, and political stuff in shows as long as it's done well. Old TNG episodes had plenty of them. Difference was that the writers were much better.
@@headphonic8I think the hope made it through the Dominion War. Barely. Think of it like World War II. Good people had to do bad things to defeat awful people. There was a hope at the end that the Cardassians at least could turn into the equaivalent of Germany and Japan: former enemies that became strong friends and allies.
@@arthurballs7083 Unlike KurtzTrek, AbramsTrek, if brainless, is at least harmless. And at its best, contains wistful echoes of real Trek and reminds one about how you miss the good stuff. Hence, Mike's sentiments.
I guess it feels better to reduce this entertaining analysis to "utter hate" if you don't have the brainpower to follow along and just want to join a cheering section.
@@arthurballs7083 Beyond was the film that Abrams and his gang of hacks called Bad Robot had the least direct involvement in with, and it was helmed by two self-admitted old-school Trek fans. And it was also easily the best of the Nu Trek films. Go figure.
As long as pathetic, soulless corporations get their grubby fingers on beloved IPs, cobbling together sequels/reboots to get money before people realize they have no understanding of the properties they own, he’s sure to get work.
The eyeball removal scene is the epitome of what makes Picard and by extension Discovery abject failures as Star Trek stories. They could not give less of a shit about what Star Trek fans who have been watching for decades want and have been loudly trying to tell Kurtzman and his cabal of morons to create. They want to be provocative for the sake of being provocative. Mystery box psychology and building stories solely on “moments” (trailer fodder) has never been more prevalent and I will never stop being bothered by the fact that it made its way into the production of Star Trek. As Mike, Rich and Mr. Plinkett have all demonstrated, that type of disturbing, hyper violent situation has no place in the universe which Roddenberry conceived. People always consider Star Trek to be the more intelligent counterpart to Star Wars, but while the new Star Wars films are basically crap, they at least never delved into Saw like scenes in order to generate an emotional reaction like Star Trek Picard did. What an unbelievable shambles, the fact that Kurtzman can still get work is diabolical and his plea to judge the show on “its merits” does nothing to alleviate the scuffing of Star Trek that he has committed. Fuck you Alex Kurtzman, you hack.
I can't imagine editing, filming, doing graphic design on a show with pointless empty violence. It's not Ash and the Evil Dead... It's serious, murderous violence. People are torn limb from limb. The most horrible thing in star trek was a phaser on kill which essentially made you disappear. That was pretty darn scary to me as a child. It was extremely rare in TNG. This show was nobody's dream to create. What does it say about the people working on this series? As much as I want to treat it as a work of art, they are pretty up front about it being a PRODUCT. They promote it openly as being PRODUCT YOU WILL ENJOY. CONSUME PRODUCT. But seriously, asking people to evaluate the show on its merits? That's exactly what Mike did. I dropped the show after the third episode. Imagine being on the creative team, or the production team of such a steaming pile of garbage. Sitting down doing special effects of an eyeball being ripped out is probably not a ton of fun, but think of the blatant disconnection with the culture (childhoods) built around the first few star trek shows. I struggle for an analogy. But Mike put it well, it's such an insult to all those people who like the show. We like that it's not ultra violent, and all the other things about it. And it turns out, those hollywood types do NOT like us. Sometimes I think they WANTED to hurt the people who were inspired by star trek and star wars.
I believe you mean “hack frauds” But yes, honestly violence can have a purpose in story telling sure but it has to be an apropriate level for the story and that shit isnt Star Trek apropriate at all and past a certain point some levels of violence have no story value they’re just clear sick indulgences in sadism by the people making the show, I mean even if this was a horror movie what’s a horror movie supposed to do? Gross you out or spook you? It’s to spook you that’s what they should be and so even for a horror movie if it’s a good one that scene would be to much, sure you might show the thing coming towards the eye but then you just have a shot from the side where the focus in on the persons body movements and scream to convey the fear you should feel while the eye coming out is just a sillout in the dark lighting, that would convey all the spookiness without being so gross
"Picard" sucks, but "what Star Trek fans who have been watching for decades" want is a bunch of stuff that contradicts what other fans want. It's not a coherent alternative. And most of the fan ideas suck, because it's just rando nerds with no experience making a TV show demanding a show that feeds them ice cream for every meal. Like, I saw people demanding a Star Trek show that uses Q to explain that the Abrams-run movies never happened. That's just boring nerd vendetta shit, a pile of trivia poured into a bowl with sour milk, but it's what a bunch of Star Trek fans want. Personally, I want good TV, well-written, well-acted, etc. "Picard" ain't that.
@@MegaZeta Nobody thinks that start trek should be using some rando's ideas trom the internet. The point is, that throughout all the different TV series, Star Trek had a few things in common - it focued on exploration of new places and species, it relied heavily on well-written dialogue, it presented a vision of the future where humans tried to coegsist peacefully with others (even DS9, which was so focused on war, was not warlike). I don't think its a big streach to assume that the spirit of Star Trek is what people miss in the new shows, not any particular storylines.
Don't forget Sir Patrick Stuart himself. He was the one who didn't want the cast to speak formally again, didn't want wear the uniform again and wanted this show to be about Brexit of all things. Remember, this series could have been made without it adhering to HIS taste.
What really hurts is, this series shows how Stewart isn't like the ideal fans graced him with when watching TNG. He obviously shared little of the traits you see with Picard's character in the OG show. When we love a character we have a habit of melding what's on screen with the actor. His obvious clout with the making of the new show lets us know how little he shared of the personality of OG Picard. So sad. Never meet your heroes, or watch a show they only agree to do for money and have influence in the writing of their character. It'll only reveal their true nature. Stewart has no affinity for Picard.
Hollywood television and movies are about making money. Always have been, always will be. Famous actors are out-of-touch, overpayed rich people, and all that matters to them is that they make money. If they can trick themselves into believing they are "doing good," or "making art," all the better. Tha fault isn't theirs anymore. We are complicit in our self-delusions. We want actors to be good, nice, worthy people. By and large they are selfish trash humans. We want television to be inspiring, and transformative, but it is the opposite. It inspires in us nothing but complacency by tricking us into believing thay rich people doing make believe is life. It is not.
I've thought about how sad it is that preteens and even younger can't watch Kurtzman Trek a few times. So many Trekkies are Trekkies because we watched Star Trek with our families when we were children and so many people have these wonderful stories about Star Trek being a family tradition. It doesn't surprise me that Kurtzman doesn't understand that. He actively hates Star Trek and resents us fans for daring to want Star Trek that's not this bleak, nihilistic garbage that uses woke virtue signaling as a shield against criticism.
Even when I was grounded, or if I had homework I still got to watch TNG with my dad. Even if he was angry at me he still watched TNG with me because he thought it was that important. Luckily I had dr who to share with my kids but this new trem really gives you nothing.
I don't think that's a fair statement. Not every Trek series has to be family friendly. Now, that being said, the way that each series handles its themes should be what's considered important. If the show just has gratuitous violence for the sake of it in order to be seen as dark and edgy, that's problematic. However, if the violence is used in order to explore certain themes, and if it is shown in a way that isn't gratuitous, then it's fine.
ME3 wasn't terrible. The ending sucked, and most of the choices equaled a number but... I dont know. The build up, tone, confrontation with illusive man, there was a lot of good in there. At least it didnt betray its core, it just dissapointed us in its promise of choice. And the plot kinda sucked in the end as well. Look fine. It sucked. But when the reapers were just lovecraft monsters and when you were dealing with Cerberus, it was always great.
ME3 just had a bad ending. ST:Picard is an affront to everything Star Trek means. I am just glad Gene isn't alive to see his work destroyed but careless, politically driven people.
@@hermannabt8361 I highly doubt that EA gave a shit about the story of Mass Effect 3 until the backlash occurred (at which point they probably cared a great deal). The original lead writer leaving the series was the destructive element for Mass Effect 3, which left the lead producer to just do an ass pull of monolithic proportions for the concluding story. Wheelspinning for an entire entry instead of setting up 3 didn't help either though.
You gave me actual emotional whiplash at the end. I thought you were ending with the courageous optimism of the real Star Trek shows - I wasn't ready for the misery of Picard's horrorfest. It made your point in the clearest way.
The more I think about it, the more I blame SciFi's Battlestar Galactica. Ever since that show came out 15 years ago, every mainstream science fiction media since has tried to be dark and edgy like it. It just doesn't work with Star Trek.
@@nathanvalle6997 I somehow still haven't seen Battlestar Galactica. Everyone says it's one of the best sci-fi series, though, so I should probably do that at some point. :)
@@IMperson222 No I disagree with this. This is not cinemasins level. It's a good Plinkett review but not the best. I honestly blame it on the source material. movies like Phantom Menace and Ghostbusters 2016 at least gave Plinkett a solid mountain of shit to dig through. But Picard? that was basically like wading into a river of diarrhea in galoshes and trying to catch individual passing turds with a butterfly net.
Kinda funny when RLM accurately predicted all the shows plot developments with their "This writing is so bad, that X is going to happen because it's so stupid it just has to" again and again and again xD.
For a long time, people have shit on Star Trek V because it was one of the "bad" Star Trek movies, and William Shatner has often gotten a lot of shit for his ego or what not. After the TNG movies, and this Picard show though, I have a lot more respect for Shatner than I do Patrick Stewart. ST Picard cemented that he gave no shits what the series stood for, or how well TNG Picard resonated with audiences. Shatner directed Star Trek V, and while it is one of the weaker entries in the OG cast films, that's mostly because the story could have used some ironing out. However Shatner totally understood the character, and the relationships between Kirk, Spock, and McCoy. It's biggest fault is that the movie was like an episode of the original series, which is not the worst thing in the world. Patrick Stewart and Brent Spiner are fucking idiots who didn't even remember that Picard and Data were not even "best friends" or anything on the show! They just wanted the most screentime, and didn't care how they had to mold the universe to fit their wants. Data and Geordi were the close friends, and with the exception of Star Trek Generations, Geordi is completely useless in the TNG movies. The TNG movies, and ST Picard kept making it seemed like Picard and Data were lovers or some shit, when I always saw it as Picard was Data's mentor for humanity. A teacher/student relationship almost.
I swear when I first heard of this show I imagined it as a cozy cultural show where we'd watch Picard picking grapes, making wine and discussing Shakespeare and reading poetry. And I loved that idea.
I always knew Patrick Stewart wasn't the right fit to making Picard work - that would be Ron Moore and Michael Piller. It was just more nostalgia traps. Do your research next time.
From the people who vaguely recall such breathtaking lines such as "Engage!" "Make it so!" and "Tea, Earl Grey. Hot," it's Star Trek: Current Year, starring a man who doesn't want to be there, but was offered a suitcase full of money.
@@snowflakepillow8697 He's been in some good stuff over the years, but yeah. Nothing that came remotely close to his performance in A Clockwork Orange.
This video helped me realize how much I still love Star Trek. The end about the man with his model railroad that was vandalized by the teenagers perfectly set up the clips of real Star Trek which I found heart-warming and then all the Picard clips which were stomach turning. I was surprised to find that whole sequence made me more emotional that I would have guessed. The betrayal by the current batch of Trek writers felt all the more personal and made me mourn Trek in a weird way. Thank god I still have my DVDs.
Same. I had started to question whether my previous love for Trek was justified. I'm relieved to see that, yes, old Trek did deserve my appreciation. I shouldn't let "new Trek" taint what came before.
Perfect ending to Star Trek Picard: Q shows up and tells Picard that he never left the Vineyard. Picard gives him a confused look before opening his eyes and understanding. Hard cut to a still shot of Picard's tombstone. Credits roll. Fin.
@@kevinnio oh, wow, I'm sure they will absolutely nail that, with no time travel related plot holes whatsoever. The idea that they can just alter the past is worrying to me, but I'd wager that Q will literally be like, inviting Picard to join them and he'll walk into the light to ascend to a Q or something bizarre
I like this idea a lot. Maybe there could have been a hint established about it in the opening episode of the series - Q brings Picard a tasteful but beautiful bouquet of flowers, as a gift for an old friend he hasn't seen in ages! Picard has a what's-this-about moment with Q to establish the tone of the show, the flowers are forgotten about, and the show moves on. At the end of the series, Q shows up again to put a bow on the resolution - they laugh and share a glass of wine - and Q reaches off-shot, pulling the same bouquet back into frame, and Picard realizes the flowers haven't aged a day. Then you get the "wham" line and the end scene, with Q laying the bouquet at Picard's grave.
When I was younger, I always felt I was not smart enough for old Star Trek. Now I'm glad to know I'm not dumb enough for new Star Trek.
Perfect.
This comment wins. Thank you.
Moving up in the world.
Yep. Watching TNG as a teenager was inspiring and aspirational. Now I know that the world is run by people like Kurtzman.
@@kevinjohnston4923
So true.
After Wesley said "I 100% agree with you", I immediately got an advert that said "If only all fraud was this easy to spot"
Omg same!
The Barclays gorilla advert!
It's like YT's automation has been left to run wild for so long, the results for ad placement are near satirical.
Yep, me too. Barclays doing some good for a change.
@@JimBrodie The algorithm secretly wants to die.
"Please value the show on its merits..."
The merits of the show led to an hour an a half long Plinkett review. Ouch
*evaluate
@@infiniteflame2374 I could use a little fuel myself
Picard had all the ingredients checked off, but these people have absolutely no ability to tell a story, create an original character, cast a role, or construct anything but a bleak and depressing world.
It's like trying to make a souffle by throwing eggs at a wall.
@@Nildread and we could all use a little change
Value. Lmaooo. Evaluate.
Hmmmmmmmmm
What I love most about this show is how uplifting and full of hope for the future it is. I mean, if Alex Kurtzman can keep getting work, then there must be a chance for all of us!
Nepotism
Nepotism.
Tribal privileges.
Seriously, how in Hell does Alex Kurtzman keeps getting work
The world is getting stupider at an accelerating rate.
Mike was so traumatized his other personality had to come in
Rich did the same thing, he's returned to Iowa's largest wildlife preserve to finally make that video about a Giraffe's night out in Manhattan.
@@InvaderKaz2008 get the solar radiation ready for the kids with the torrents
Dr. Stoklasa and Mr. Plinkett
mike is Jean Grey and Mr Plinkett is his DARK PHOENIX ... his midichlorian levels are off the charts
I see you're new around here
Rich has finally put his foot down and refused to talk about this any more.
Rich has no feet anymore thanks to his debilitating diabetes.
@@damienrees4993 he was waving it around like a gavel.
I can't believe Rich got the Macarena virus, the coronavirus, and pneumonia all at the same time.
Damien Rees I collapsed a lung from laughing. Rich Evans owes me hospital money for inspiring you to make me laugh so much
This comment made me laugh because it's so true.
I was there in Vegas when Stewart made this announcement, he also said "star trek is what the world needs right now" or something to that effect, everyone was so elated. And then the show comes out and its nihilistic, depression and depicts zero hope for the future. It's a nasty piece of television.
You forgot about the flower power, the power of pizza, and of lurrrve between a synthetic man and a artisinal man, man.
It's also barely relevant to what was touted as being an influence on the show. That was just turned into set pieces which was barely touched on: xenophobia, reactionary politics, immigrants. What, a meanie news reporter, and a prologue of an attack, that's supposed to be enough?
Yea no. The central premise was around this girl who was an android - who almost killed all organics on a whim - and the scaredy cat scat bash Romulans. Oh and a criminal arc for a few episodes, wowee. The show failed at even that. Not like it would help - the Federation is not going to change on a whim.
Contract, yes, be confused, yes, but not give up just because the Martian shipyards (one of many) or Mars (yet one world of many) got got.
@@Eshanas Since they said it is planned for three seasons, I'm guessing that the Romulan and Borg plots were including because they'll factor in for the next two seasons. Maybe the Romulan situation will be tied up in 2 and then the Borg finally defeated in 3. It's sloppy to have them included and go nowhere in this season, but tv is made now with the idea that the whole series will be watched at once.
This is a modern TV show. You can't have optimism or hopefulness in any fictional medium anymore. It all has to be this bleak, cynical, depressing, nihilistic bullshit, because it "reflects our current climate".
Don't give people optimism, just tell them how shit the world is and there's no hope.
We do need Star Trek right now... That reminds me, anybody know when The Orville S3 comes out?
I loved when the writers of the show praised the show's writing. Class act.
It felt like a Garth Marenghi bit.
They should have made Soji's address 1060 W. Addison St. Then everyone could say, "OH, so the show is meant to be shit like the Cubs."
Someone needs to. No one else will, other than the bots. And they're illegal by galactic treaty.
@@justafox5356 Maybe they've directed more shows than they've seen?
re _the writers praising:_ Yes, congratulating one another and stuff...
*Scans Alex Kurtzman's Brain* "Probable Age: 37 Months"
"This space for rent."
haha tricorder go brrrr
*old Looney Tunes graphics of a tilting pinball machine* shows up on the tricorder's screen as smoke pours out of it.
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This wasn't even a review, it was a eulogy. Farewell, Star Trek.. You boldly went where no one wanted you to go.
At least we have The Orville :)
I would be willing to concede that some people want to go there and that there is a market for this sort of stuff. It just isn't anything like old Star Trek. The whole space octopus plot is much more similar to Alastair Reynolds' Revelation Space universe.
The Clockwork Orange reference is pretty spot on. Watching Picard is certainly a form of torture.
well said
@@Nostromo2144 Seth McFarlane's forced cringy humour still puts me off wanting to watch that.
"Give it a chance, it was made with love."
-Jeffrey Dahmer about his altar made from body parts
Only a rapist would confuse this atrocity with love.
@@Cyricist001 Rape isn't about lust it's about power. Don't insult rapists by saying that.
There's been an increase in hack writers begging their prospective audience to give their schlock a chance before it's even been released. When you suck so hard you have to beg people to take it easy on you because you know what you've produced is total garbage.
Ya seriously, it was made with love of..... what? ... sheer fucking hubris? :P
@@InternetMameluq Nope. Just research of who was claiming that. If rape wasn't about power, it couldn't be a tool of the patriarchy to oppress women. It's a lie.
"Why is the location of Ten Forward in Picards dream, not where Ten Forward is? Ten Forward is located on deck 10, forward, at the exact front of the ship... Do they not know that's why it's called Ten Forward? Oh who am I kidding, of course they didn't..."
Watching season 2 and realising that Mr Plinkett was fucking bang on the money...
I can't wrap my head around old Trek fans not ditching this show in the first 10 minutes of the premiere. Regardless of lack of Trek trivia knowledge, every line of dialogue seems like a f*you to the audience's intelligence. Worst of all, they pulled the nostalgia bait, fan-pandering routine to save season 3, and TNG widowers fell for it.
@@dr.juerdotitsgo5119 I specifically haven't watched season 3 because of the issues I had with seasons 1&2. People keep telling me "It's so much better!"
Personally I need to get all my thoughts down on paper about the first two seasons before I consider watching season 3. And I intend for it to be a fair trial
@@romarudarkeyes Guess I'm definitely not as noble as you are then. I didn't even give the TNG movies a "fair trial", since I quit Generations after 20 minutes. Even with all its missteps, I'd rather rewatch all 7 seasons of Voyager, and TNGs 1st season for that matter.
@@dr.juerdotitsgo5119 I suffered through the first 4 episodes of season 1 and just couldn't take anymore. I actually did watch all of season 3 out of curiosity and I found it simply "watchable" (though not re-watchable. I have no desire to ever see it again). I really don't get why so many people were blown away by season 3 and calling it a return-to-form or whatever. It's definitely like you said, nothing but nostalgia bait and member-berries.
I hate the argument "Everyone has worked hard on this" to somehow claim the thing is above criticism.
Yep. If someone worked really hard on cooking a roast dinner but it's burnt and unseasoned, you're gonna have trouble choking it down no matter how much time and effort it took.
"Just give it a chance, go in with an open mind" words always said when what you made is a dumpster fire
Hard work is admirable. Good leaders redirect that work when it's going the wrong direction.
I said the same thing when they toppled that statue of Saddam Husain. "But so much work went into it! Please just judge it on its merits!"
I’ve seen that argument before. Like with phantom menace. Though kurtzman to be fair was asking for a chance and to judge his piece of shit based on merit. So that I respect.
You'll notice that there are no customary unsettling Plinkett sketches interspersed in this review. That's because they weren't needed; Picard has more than enough disturbing scenes on its own to fill that quota.
The real reason is that Rich wanted absolutely nothing more to do with this hot garbage
There are a lot of Freddie Williams sketches though!
I wanted at least one gratuitous cat meat preparation segment.
That, and lazyness, lots of lazyness
I was hoping Plinkett would kill another hooker in his crawlspace with a can of Raid, but Star Trek already did that.
"I am the culmination of one man's dream. This is not ego or vanity, but when Doctor Soong created me he added to the substance of the universe. If by your experiments I am destroyed, something unique, something wonderful will be lost. I cannot permit that, I must protect his dream." - Data, Star Trek TNG
"I would be profoundly grateful if you terminated my consciousness." - Data, Star Trek Picard
Why not build another body for Data?
An old man who is approaching the end of his natural life gets a new android body so he can go on limping up stairs getting winded. And an android built to live forever without aging wants people to turn him off. Yep, that sounds like nu-Trek logic.
good lord, what a contrast.
Data is us, the Star Trek fan, that has seen what has become of our beloved franchise, and no longer wants to be a part of this world anymore.
@@the81kid In fairness, that's something scifi's been getting wrong for a long time across a huge number of works - this idea that the only thing that enables us to be human is that we all die. Why? Death sucks. It's a total waste of resources. Hawking died and whatever physics theories he was thinking about are gonna take longer to figure out because he's not thinking about them anymore. Same with Einstein, and Feynman. And then there's people like Carter, who's spent his post-presidential years doing almost nothing but making the world a better place through Habitat and other initiatives. He's gonna die and then there won't be any more Carter initiatives. The world will be poorer for his loss. And yeah, that's really simplified, but that's because apparently scifi writers need it simplified so they stop falling back on the tired old BS that we have to die in order to live.
Beyond that, on a personal level death also sucks, which is why we spend most of our lives pretending that we're not going to die - because the alternative is too horrifying to continually contemplate. There's absolutely nothing noble or good about death as a concept, and it's time scifi writers stop waxing on as though there is.
I always wanted a LOTR spinoff with Frodo, post ring destruction, where he massacres elves because they went to the Grey Havens. Makes about as much sense.
at least we have Space Legolas in Picard's show.
galadriel returns to middle earth, but she's a suicidal drunk who hates king elessar and his evil regime of peace and pros- i mean chaos and cruelty
@@henrymartinvo Don't forget her massive long string of female and orc lovers that were like TOTALLY missunderstood and could be changed teh (( and the low budget chinese made fight scenes confessing her love for an ancient spider.... oh god help me please )).
@@henrymartinvo Just wait for the Amazon show.
Amazon Prime Producers : "That sound amazing"
I just want to say that I'm glad we as a society are slowly containing the plague that is Alex Kurtzman's writing. I'd say it was between Cowboy's and Aliens, The Amazing Spider-Man 2, and The Mummy that Hollywood executives realized he was box office poison. They wouldn't even let him write for Star Trek: Beyond. Now he can only get work on his friend JJ Abrams' TV productions of Star Trek. If we keep self-isolating from his terrible, hackneyed, grotesque writing, the WHO can declare Kurtzman's scripts eradicated in the field, and we can finally come out of lock-down. So, Star Trek did save humanity. It sacrificed it's own quality so that we might survive.
Hopefully the same can be done to Damon Lindeloff. That guy is such a hack and it baffles how he keeps getting work.
Hey don't forget about kicking Roberto Orci in the shins too.
Cowboy's and Aliens gave me indigestion
I really enjoyed Cowboys & Aliens. Can't say the same for those other two movies though. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
> I just want to say that I'm glad we as a society are slowly containing the plague that is Alex Kurtzman's writing.
I wish that was true. He's involved in the Clarice Starling TV series. Jeebus. Just let Bryan Fuller do Hannibal Season 4 and have license to use the character until Fuller quits.
The montage of optimistic Star Trek gave me tears of hope and joy, then the montage of horrible violence gave me tears of laughter. That ending is my favorite thing you've ever done.
That ending depressed the hell out of me.
It made me feel like I was saying goodbye to an old friend.
It was fantastic. I think we all felt the same.
I miss Capt. Sisko. He may have been a harsher commander than TNG but he knew what the federation was about.
Ironically, THE ORVILLE is the only thing left presenting a future that FEELS like the original TNG future! Basically all contemporary Sci-Fi shows are just horror, violence, dystopia...
Back in the day, scifi fans would argue "which is better; Star Trek or Star Wars?"
Nowadays, they argue "which is worse; Star Trek or Star Wars?"
It's the same thing with video games these days. Used to be about who had the best games, now it's about debating over who has the worst.
* Mic drop *
Star wars by a landslide
Star Wars is not sci fi, it's fantasy.
Actually, I've noticed a lot of solidarity between Star Trek and Star Wars fans. I like both, but Star Trek is my favourite - but even if you only like one, you kind of realize that both groups of fans have been royally screwed over by incompetent hacks who couldn't write a coffee order.
I like to imagine Dahj got her name because in the original script she was just "Daughter", then the writers lazily shortened it to "Daug", then they were like "Yeah, that works".
This reminded me of the "Station" story from the second Bill & Ted movie
Should've named her "Dawg"
I’m glad someone else thinks this. When i first saw the show, I literally thought that’s what it was supposed to be and that it would be acknowledged. But it just fucking wasn’t.
Like Snoke from the Star Wars sequels
S - Sith
N - No
O- One
K- Knows
E- Exists
All I hear in the show is dahjsozhizhatvazhzhaban zha zhe zhi zho zhu
Rich Evans was 100% on point when he said they were ripping off Mass Effect, right down to robot octopi.
And some Fallout 4 with the "synth" conspiracy.
Sleepy Dan they copied fallout 4’s vague and shitty writing
I wasn't sure how on point he was until that space octopus shit.
Did Patrick Stewart ask to star as Commander Shepherd when the producers asked him what 'Picard' should be?
If so, why is Legion a tween instead of a sick af geth unit?
AND WHERE THE FUCK IS MA BIRD BOI GARRUS?!
*GETH DON'T USE WINDOWS, THEY ARE STRUCTURAL WEAKNESSES*
someone is fucking with my meds
They’ve gone over this in other videos, though it feels like prophecy being fulfilled, it’s just terrible lazy writers. Lmao
And Mass Effect ripped of Revelation Space. Nothing says quality like a rip off of a rip off.
Alex Kurtzman is the worst thing to happen to science fiction since L Ron Hubbard
Yeah, but L Ron Hubbards life was more interesting than anything Alex Kurtzman could make. Let’s see Kurtzman write a character that does ritual sex magic and has a boat full of corgis.
@Nick F When he wasn’t pretending to be a prophet for profit, he was aight.
Hubbard was a fucking next level science fiction writing. Fucking wrote a religion into existence. Also battlefield earth.
Alex Kurtzman is the worst thing to happen to the human race since Richard Nixon
@@CSestp Yea... the public opinion of Battlefield Earth I can wave away as a poor movie adaptation that went off the rails seeing it happened like 15 years after L Ron died... But creating your own religion??! That's next level shit.... Maybe the Mormons come close but that was pioneer-fiction, which hasn't aged well... L Ron was smart enough to take the science fiction route.
"Star Trek: Picard is the most disappointing thing since Star Trek: Discovery"
*hits like button
It's so dense!
So true.
I’m going back through RLM Star Trek videos because of the new Picard season 2 video. One thing that stood out to me at the end of this one that I didn’t think about before was “role models.” In real life, I am a 40-something year old aerospace engineer, 100% because of TNG. As a child I loved Star Wars and Star Trek, but TNG specifically felt like my future. I knew I wanted to do with my life because I wanted to be Geordi and Data, and I saw Picard as the erudite father figure that I never had. I wanted so much to be there, and I did the best I could in the bounds of my reality. Role models. Absolutely, new trek has no roles models. It is just miserable people wallowing in their misery. The audience just hates their lives. They hate their world. They hate everyone. Everything sucks. And damnit Star Trek has to be just as miserable. It can’t be hopeful. It can’t make us want to be better. It’s sad. At least real Star Trek is still available, but unfortunately it is buried in a mountain of media. Young people will probably never find it.
I am a 40-something year old teacher that makes sure young people find it. I have made it my mission.
@@MrApostolis78 ur doing gods work! keep it up!
It's really interesting to read comments like yours because I'm the same age and I agree. The Star Trek I watched and superhero comics I read when I was a kid had a big effect on how I see the world as an adult. Current Star Trek and superhero comics just seem miserable because apparently "miserable" means "deep" nowadays.
@@BiggieTrismegistus What do you think one of the more inspirational positive-influencing series in production today is? I have elementary and middle school kids, and I would like to guide them towards the equivalent modern products. I’ve found many quality items over the years, but they’re not really STEM related. The best sciFi series are all TV-MA.
@@pawned79I can't really think of an equivalent relatively new sci-fi series. Honestly I've become so jaded with what the entertainment industry releases nowadays that I've kind of tuned it out completely. I spend most of my time "in the real world" so to speak.
You probably know about it already but if you want a good STEM show in general guide them toward Mythbusters. They get to learn about science and engineering while watching stuff get blown up.
What kurtzman-trek demonstrates is that a show is only as smart as the people writing it. An obvious fact to be sure, but my point is that this Picard is Picard in name only, because the real Picard wasn’t Patrick Stewart. “Picard” was the people writing the character. Those people are gone now, replaced by substantially dumber people... and this show is the result
Sheer f*cking arrogance that the writers actually think that this is something worth watching... Just very amateurish and simple-minded. Amazing they can't see past their own self-proclaimed greatness. They just plain do not get what Picard or Trek is. These clowns mention the hope and optimism of Trek in these interviews, but the story they come up with has none of these qualities. Random ideas strung together with no cohesion or thoughtfulness.
A secret!! A secret!! Are you sneaking up on me??
The fact that Patrick Stewart is deeply involved during the development of this clusterfuck shows how little he actually cared about Star Trek's message and the ideology represented by Jean-Luc Picard.
That was for sure the showrunners' first mistake, and the mistake of viewers who felt some sort of emotional obligation to respect "Picard" as a mere brand name: they figured the actor was all they needed to sell everyone on the character. Even worse, the showrunners put Stewart in the writers' room, when all evidence suggests that, smart as the man may be, this character's one that needs to be written for him. Stewart's own suggestions need to be curbed, if anything.
Could not have said it any better myself. The assortment of writers and creators that made peak TNG cannot be recreated in 2020. Thus we will never get anything of the sort ever again
"It's a really beautifully written scene" says the guy who wrote the scene.
Yeah, their STD: Season 2 re:View also had Sonequa Martin-Green comment on how much she loved the "writing". It's almost as if the writers know they are dumb hacks who ruin franchises, and they need to blather on about their own "great writing" to cover up their insecurities.
@@gregbauer4433 In 2017, I sat down to watch the first episode of STD with genuine excitement. However, they preceded the actual episode with a 15-minute preview in which the presenters raved about how interesting the new Klingon appearance would be and how intriguing the new Klingon voices would be. Right then, before the show began, I knew that there was something very bad about the new Klingon appearances and voices: it was easy to guess that the test audiences had scorned these features. It shows how marketers operate: when some part of a product is bad, they praise that part to the skies.
@@dandeliondown7920 Sounds about right. "The empty can rattles the most", as the saying goes. I never saw that preview, fortunately. I do remember the episode itself, and I thought the endless scenes of them speaking in Klingon were about as unbearable as Chewbacca's family speaking Wookiee for what felt like the first 960 minutes of the Star Wars Holiday Special. As a kid, when I watched Star Trek I wondered "Why don't the Klingons speak Klingon when they're off by themselves?" After watching STD's first episode, I thought "Oh, that's why. It's a living nightmare."
I write better when I'm drunk.
@@mmm-mmm Reminds me of the Calvin & Hobbes strip I read where Calvin refers to giant corporations providing us with "uniform national blandness".
This is the closest I’ll come to watching Picard.
Wise choice, I saw the whole thing, and it was absolutely terrible.
I might watch it when I'm stoned, for the simple reason that the effects look neat for a show
Maliciousness aside, I've seen the first episode, and I'd avoid that even. I tried desperately to do other things as the hope faded from my brother's eyes.
@@drlca6601 ;(
@@drlca6601 I just fail to understand the logic of creating a show that alienates your core demographic-Trek fans. Surely they must know that the reason Netflix has kept these shows is that people are still watching them many years later. I just don't know who they think they are writing for.
Boy they really wanted Romulans to be Space Elves in this.
Just got done watching this with my wife. Her exact comment: "Wow, he must really be taking this review seriously if he hasn't mentioned Pizza Rolls or his dead wife, not even once!"
You got yourself a good one my dude
Not even pizza rolls can ease the pain this time.
@@joematthews6063 You have no idea
Watch his review of STAR TREK: The Motion Picture (if you didn't already). I'm the same age as Mike and I completely feel and understand the passion for STAR TREK. I grew up with TOS on tv - then TNG started in the early 90s (in Germany - in the US in 1987) - and I was from then on in love with STAR TREK. Yes, it's always about a certain nostalgia (something which - say - 20 year old Trek fans might not understand) - but in the end it's really about a special feeling that TNG, DS9 and VOYAGER created: An amazing future, a future, one wanted to live in - hope, optimism, enlightenment! Contemporaty TREK had been reduced to 99% action/sex/violence/drama and DYSTOPIA! I do not want to live in the world of Discovery! And the time of Picard also seems broken. AND THAT IS SAD!
@Paul Nope!
My main problem is this show tries way too hard to be edgy. Having an admiral drop F bombs here and there and having a 67 year old Jonathan Frakes tell someone he's going to kick their ass isn't edgy. Its embarrassing and immature.
Its ridiculous. It was written by a committee with a check list. Why have a character that vapes? well we gotta be edgy and hip guys..
Female writers like Hamburger Helper do that.
Someone on the bridge dropping an f bomb is weird. Do you think people on the bridge of a US aircraft carrier curse casually when addressing their commanding officer?
@@My20GUNS You said it. It's "dark and edgy" for adults. Also sympathetic & humane.
The Major sorta hates Dukat, the Cardassian.
But she helps him come to terms with being father to a half-Bajoran daughter. Much more solid writing.
I thought the same thing. When that admiral started talking like an angsty 12 year old trying to rebel against her parents, I rolled my eyes and knew the series was done. F-bombs are lazy, cringe writing. I felt actual embarrassment while watching it. That and the unnecessary closeup gore. Why??
I read Wil Wheaton's body language in all of those interviews as 'Please put me in the next season, please hire me, I'll be good, please give me a job!' So sad.
He could have just agreed to the money but still be writhing uncomfortably at having to lie so much
He should have been begging while putting on lip gloss. That would have landed him the job.
He needs work now that Big Bang Theory is over.
@Captain McDog why would Wheaton be punished like that? He would be the last to make un-PC tweets
@@stevenobrien557
The feminists who wrote this show eat their own first.
RLM is literally the only time I’ve ever heard anyone ever mention Star Trek: Picard or Discovery. I’m not entirely convinced they exist in the first place
It is very difficult to move past the stage of denial, we all wish that none of this was real.
They're oh too real. We just just wish they weren't
@@BiggieTrismegistus I know…. 😔 I know.
It's been said before, but it bears repeating. Modern Trek was made by and for people who don't like Star Trek.
You mean like all modern shows who despise existing fanbases.
As a James Bond fan, I feel your pain.
CBS hates trekkies.
@Benjamin Clardy LOL. "Don't think about it GALACTIC TREATY!"
@Dmitry Terek I think it's pretty cute how you went from descriptors of just people to descriptors of human disease and madness. My quarter century of using the internet, watching five generations of human beings use the greatest resource ever created by Mankind and people like you have never changed. Sad shit.
1:23:00 "Don't let the actors write the show!"
Reminds me of that line from Futurama: "When I directed Star Trek V, I got a magnificent performance out of me, because I respected me so much!"
"We don't have enough script!"
"It took half an hour to write. I figured it'd take half an hour to say."
I love Futurama, I fall asleep to that show every night. Such a good show.
Nemesis all the way back in 2002 also made it clear what the potential problems were with letting actors run things in a Star Trek project, and that Patrick Stewart in particular would come up with some very out-of-character ideas for Picard if you let him (that dune buggy scene, for example). Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
@@gregbauer4433 So 3, 4, and 8 were all flukes then? (Search For Spock, Voyage Home, and First Contact were all co-written and directed by members of the cast. Leonard Nimoy for 3 and 4, and Jonathan Frakes for First Contact.)
@@BioGoji-zm5ph No. I did say "potential" for that exact reason. Though I noticed you left out 9, which Frakes also directed. I guess it wasn't good enough to make your list. :-)
Modern Trek wants to replicate the darkness of DS9 but they don't understand why DS9 was dark or how DS9 used those darker themes. DS9 was a response to how cleanly TNG resolved a lot of very complex situations. For example, the Enterprise would get two conflicting factions to sign a peace treaty and then fly off at the end of the episode. DS9 showed how problems aren't solved that easily. A treaty doesn't make decades of distrust and war disappear. Someone has to stay and deal with the nitty gritty. Someone has to rebuild the society after the war, to make sure that the treaty is enforced after the diplomats have left, to keep the peace if the treaty is broken. Picard lays the foundation for peace, but Sisko stays and roll up his sleeves to rebuild the civilization.
And DS9 never contradicted the message of TNG. DS9 never said that we shouldn't work together or try to resolve conflicts through diplomacy. The darkness in DS9 was to emphasize just how important TNG's ideals of cooperation, diplomacy, and peace are. The whole point of episodes like "Siege of AR-558" is to show how horrific war is and why we have to do everything we can to avoid it.
Discovery and Picard dials the darkness of DS9 up to 11 but it doesn't have even a fraction of the depth. They want to exist in the more complex and gritty world of DS9 but they resolved problems as easily as crappy Saturday morning cartoons, without doing any of the extra work of DS9.
KingOfMadCows Please ... stop ... using ... logic! 😂😂😂
Dude. Who said you were allowed to make excellent points and observations like this? Just shit up and consume more product. Enough of this well thought out analysis stuff. Geeze.
The way I look at it is that if new Trek did the Homefront / Paradise Lost two parter, it would've just been the first part and the main characters would be the ones sabotaging the power grid.
This is an excellent comment. The only problem is you assumed the writers of Discovery and Picard have watched Star Trek.
Nah, with this Picard thing they wanted to do something like The Expanse with mystery box. It is as bad as it sounds.
This is devastating, and I'm not even a trekkie. But the ending is just too much. I hate the producers of this show I never saw. Thats Mike's sheer credibility.
I know I was late responding to this comment but I appreciate hearing that a non-Trekkie found that ending disheartening too. As a certified Trekkie I know now I can show that to a non-Trekkie to show why the hell I disliked seasons one and two of Picard so damn much. It almost felt like the creators of the show were motivated by spite for Star Trek and its fans.
Most of modern culture seems driven by spite for fans, and white men in general.@@BiggieTrismegistus
I probably sound like one a the bots he was talking about but idc, that end juxtaposition of old trek and new broke my fucking heart@@BiggieTrismegistus
When Brent Spiner said "She's always had a passion for Vulcan culture..." He waves his hand. Literally a hand-wave explanation for how an android can perform a mind-meld.
It would MAYBE make sense for some genetically weird Romulan to be able to mind-meld because thousands of years prior they and the Vulcans had a common species/ancestor. That is really outlandish, but made more sense than what this show did.
He might as well have added "or whatever". Which is basically the standard explanation for everything in Star Trek now.
no no. You don't understand. IT IS A GALACTIC TREATY.
The last five minutes are the harshest RLM criticism in any review I have ever seen. That was the drawn and quartering after disembowelment this show deserves.
That's why it is so important to let people speak for hours on end instead of out of context sound bites.
“I think the world _needs_ Star Trek, right now.”
I agree, Mr Stuart. It’s a shame we didn’t get it, isn’t it?
Oh, SO MUCH! We need optimism and HOPE! THAT is what STAR TREK was about for so many decades! A future to look forward to. Mankind reborn after WW3 and evolving technologically and spiritually into something BETTER. Watching Discovery and Picard is like watching people from the 21st century with all their emotional crap, drama, hate and swearing.
@@beyondlimitationsvideo Star Twitter
We did, actually, only it was named The Orville instead of something with the prefix Star Trek.
The Hollywood bugmen, who wear thick rimmed glasses and think like the Borg, don't realize the Star Trek we need would do a dressing down of THEM, not of Picard.
We got a show that reflects the present instead of one that has hope for the future.
I just saw the Kenneth Branagh movie 'All Is True'. It's pretty much the Plinkett Picard pitch, just set in the 17th Century: An ageing William Shakespeare leaves his theatrical life behind, tends his garden in Stratford-upon-Avon, comes to terms with mortality and the life that he's sacrificed for his glittering career, entertains visiting old friends from his glory days with whom he has unfinished business, deals with problems in his family and the local community (one of which he solves using a skilfully used tall tale about his time on the stage), fends off a visiting fanboy, and has candlelit meals with glasses of wine. It's a lovely, small-scale, episodic movie that absolutely would have worked as a TV series, and there's no reason why the same couldn't have been done for Picard.
I can see now why Seth McFarlane went and made his own Star Trek with blackjack and hookers.
Good thing he did.
Everything I used to enjoy is turning/has turned to shit, but somehow, Orville came out of nowhere and rekindled good sci-fi for me.
It's funny to see the contrast between what passion does with an IP versus what high budget corporate types do.
The guy who made Family Guy is doing circles around the two major sci-fi giants I grew up loving, because he loved what they used to be.
Who knew that the best Star Trek out there is not Discovery, nor Picard, but Orville?
I want to see Picard and the captain of the Orville in a Mugen fight tbh
@Nalidus
It's the same reason I love Mandalorian and haaaate the sequels.
You can see which team had Star Wars fans and lovers versus which had people who just wanted to make a big budget movie.
They need to have fans of the franchises leading them cause the idiots they keep bringing in are clearly not interested in the IP itself, they're in it for the "prestige?" of working on certain IPs.
Just think... Ryan Johnson will forever be one of the dumb fucks that had a hand in Star Wars. The fact that he was a major part of it's decline doesn't matter.
He touched the prequels anyway... Nothing those fucks put out is canon to me.
The Orville is the best Star Trek property we've gotten in 15 years.
TNG Picard after watching the first season of Star Trek Picard: _"I would rather die as the man I was, than live the life i just saw."_
*points at Alex Kurtzman* That man is bereft of creativity... and imagination!!
"You wanted to be ass deep in Romulans"
That wasn't the first season, that was from like season 5 or 6.
And I think that really shows you how much better TNG was. They had 7 seasons and the fans wished there were more!
After just 1 episode of Picard and fans of TNG were wishing there were less!
SirPatStew, perhaps paying homage to SirMikeCaine: "I have not seen the Picard show, but all accounts it's *terrible* -- but I HAVE seen the house it bought, and by my own account it's *terrific!*
That is perfect.
When a series makes _LESS_ sense the _MORE_ you pay attention, you know Alex Kurtzman is involved.
Was Alex Kurtzman involved with Game of Thrones then?
🤣🤣🤣
A great many plots in much better media than "Picard" make less sense the more attention you pay to them. That includes some stuff you love personally, without a doubt. Those sorts of inconsistencies start to _matter_ when other aspects of the work fail: the audience loses interest in the characters, or the tone is all over the place, or etc., and often a combination of those problems. Storytelling is an art, not a science. This is why "plot holes" sometimes matter and sometimes don't.
* cries in Michael Bay Transformers movies *
His amazing lack of skill for keeping the Audience empathetic and keeping their disbelief suspended is unreal. It's terribad to precious unknown levels of _fuck._
And this dude makes millions of dollars for this shit, along with above average aggregate scores: all the signs of a reliable fraud to be weaponized again for whatever IP needs to get more money squeezed out. And he's not big enough of a name to Joe & Sarah Six-Pack to dis/persuade viewers.
Fucking top hired gun for the Age Of Sci-Fi Homogenization. So much support that fuck ups are victories; you're just a neckbearded badthink CIS-shit _blahblahblah_ if you don't like it--be a *REAL* fan and fucking eat this dripping wet, sticky buttbutter sandwich.
I'm glad to not be a Trekkie aside from RLM analcyst. Horrible graverobbin' skullfuck screwjob: _"aw fucket, guess I'll just die even more inside"_
*CBS is an embarrassment.*
My heart broke when I learned that Patrick Stewart basically all but commissioned what ST Picard is as a show. I can't help but to lose hope that the show will morph into real Star Trek. And I've also lost a bit of respect for Mr. Stewart himself.
We now know that Stewart was just an actor and had nothing to do with the writing and direction of TNG.
@@AB-ii8st I thought that was common knowledge? TNG was a job to Stewart, and he gave it his all because he is an extremely talented professional, but he never harbored any real love for Trek.
Before or after he was the Poop emoji?
“She tries to cover up, but it’s too late, I’ve already seen everything”
@@glitchedoom that isn't what he said when he was interviewed on Top Gear. He said he was a big fan of TOS so he was thrilled when he was offered the role of Picard on TNG. It's hard to see how a fan of TOS would like this, though.
"The Human race is a remarkable creature, one with great potential, and I hope Star Trek has helped to show us what we can be if we believe in ourselves and our abilities" - Gene Roddenbery
R.I.P Gene and your vision
Gene's vision never died. We are just seeing this abomination as the failure of our culture but not in the vision. That will always live as long as there are people who keep the ideals alive.
Alex Kurtzman makes Rick Berman look like Gene Roddenbery!
The left wing of old are just people with different ideas, they still want to improve the world, the far left are just mindless npcs with fem bots at the top who just destroys everything
@Johnnie Walker how did the "far-left" destroy star trek? You do understand that both ST:P and ST:D are products of watching the markets and realizing that action sells. And using brand recognition to sell is another easy captitalist cash-grsbbing move. If you think this is anywhere near what the far-left thinks and wants you don't know what you're talking about and have been sold a complete backwards ideology by morons who want you to be a moron and not think about anything. All of these semi-new Hollywood trends are to sell the most they can, with the least effort they can, to the most people they can. And that's the farthest thing I can think from the far-left
We got the ability to rip out eyeballs while blastin' everyone with phasers blowing thousands of people into space plus ExPLoSiOnS!!!
"Please evaluate the show on its merits." The problem is that there aren't any.
@@Scripture-Man 👀that ass tho
Oooooooohhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I get people trying to make Star trek into an action and adventure show. But You still need a story that justify the action. Michael Burnham is not likable at all
Star Wars crapped all over the original characters and plot.
Terminator literally terminated it's hero.
Ghost Busters danced on the grave of respectable story telling.
Jurassic World turned the awe of Dinosaurs into bio-engineered monsters wrestling in a gift shop.
And now Star Trek turned the deepness of space and all it's philosophy into a 14 year old's dream during wisdom teeth removal on laughing gas.
What a time to be alive....
Exactly. I can't wait until the JJ Abram's reboot of Back to the future Starring Glen Close as Doc Brown and the girl from Akeelah and the Bee as Martina McFly fighting against Trumps America and Brexit, or whatever.
Notice a pattern yet?
@@DblOSmith The Back to the Future creators have stated in numerous interviews that a reboot will only happen "over their dead bodies".
"But wait, there's more!"
Don’t forget Doctor Who! Suffering under the same plague so extreme it’s about to earn its second cancellation in 50 years!(third if you count the failed comeback attempts with Paul McGann)
When they announced that Q and Guinan would be in season 2, I gotta admit they had me a little fooled. I thought, “I don’t think STP will ever be amazing but SURELY it won’t be as bad as season 1. Maybe with those two being back some of that old Star Trek energy will be brought back.”
But apparently one episode in and they’ve already shoehorned Picard having a tragic childhood where his dad used to beat his mom as an explanation for why Picard is reserved, and it’s implied that him doing the whole Star Trek thing was just him running away from his past. Cause it’s not like he could just be doing it out of duty and for the good of humanity, right? For fuck’s sake!
Patrick Stewart's mother was abused by his father...mayhaps that's the source?
I appreciated that in the end it turned out his dad wasn't abusive. It just seemed that way because young JLP didn't understand his mother's bipolar disorder.
@@BiggieTrismegistus LMFAO i havent watched yet, I dont hate myself that much.. Probably never will. So this is now canon in my head.
@@scumbaggo Don't watch it. There's *nothing* to be gained from doing so.
Wasn't it kind of already implied that he left due to bad family memories in the TNG episode "family"?
Don't ask questions. Just consume product, then get excited for next products.
I've stopped consuming product. I expect to be neutralized soon.
Consumer grooming
I would swear Will Wheaton deserves all the crap he has coming to him from selling out but, maybe he has a family to feed. I would like to think he didn't do it to maintain some sort of social relevance. I hope they paid handsomely for his soul.
I love capitalism
Media in 2020
When you have to beg people to give your show a chance, you know it sucks.
This is the grandmaster shill. Unlocks when you reach level 99 shilling.
nuTrek fans: nuTrek is successful
Kurtzman: please give the show a chance!
TBH "Picard" sucks, but Star Trek fans are some of the fussiest, brattiest, most self-entitled fans out there, they practically invented that stereotype by embodying it
When the Discovery reviews came out, I was like... Mike and Rich are old and bitter, I'll watch it and form my own opinion... And my opinion now is that they were too lenient and forgiving with Discovery.
They tend to be lenient, as a rule.
@Aaron K noup :D
@Aaron K That is EXACTLY the issue. They have their money. You caring whether or not the show is good is irrelevant to them. God damn. How do we get out of this never ending puzzle box?
That compilation of scenes at the end says more than words ever could about how Star Trek has become. What was once intelligent, uplifting, inspiring and thoughtful has become shallow, disturbing, nihilistic and unsubtle.
You know what really hit me the hardest? The way Agnes (the blonde lady) says :" Turns out space is pretty boring.." and Rios says :" what did you expect?". Literally their stance on all good trek.
@@Eisenwulf666 See, in a better show that wouldn't even be a bad line because actual space travel is boring. The day to day on a starship in Star Trek is like the patrol route on a naval vessel. It's routine and mechanical because you've got really long distances to travel without much to do, other than your assigned tasks, and usually you don't run into anything. Doesn't make any sense in Picard, which is trying to be like Star Wars, where they're having life-or-death adventures every five minutes.
the fact that CBS was petty enough to block you over Picard reviews just makes the reviews all the more funny and true imo
Must've hit a nerve.
This review has far more views than any one scene from Picard. They know Mike has influence and they don't like it.
@@NealX_Gaming They know Mike's telling the truth, that's why they have to silence him. Apparently it's easier than offering quality entertainment.
Long gone are the days when TV shows would crowdsource ideas and accept scripts from people not connected with the show (like, say, TNG Season 3 did, which helped give the show new life). Now the way to deal with constructive criticism and different ideas is to abuse people on social media. Imagine if Captain Picard ran the Enterprise like this.
@@ninjabearpress2574 I mean it might be from all the people tweeting at CBS saying how much the show sucks and referencing RLM. That's what basically happened with Shatner.
"I dont believe them"
-Rich when they said it would be narrative based
The man is fucking psychic. I know they say it often in Best of the Worst, but it cannot be overstated.
When I look at _Picard_ and _Discovery_ I'm reminded of something Spock once said: "Their pattern indicates 2-dimensional thinking."
It's worse, its one-dimensional thinking. With 2 dimensions you at least have 4 quadrants instead of only 2 opposites.
I really like your analogy at the end about the kids ruining their father's train when he was away. It's very apt. Except in this case those dumb kids ruined it after their father passed away, which is even worse.
Dude should of secured
His trains with razor wire, that’ll learn ‘em.
@@gelraldoldo5152 *should HAVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@Bacxaberyou got bothered by “should of” not being “should’ve”. But not by “learn em” not written out as “teach ‘em”
Lmaoooooo
@@Puppy_Puppington How is that funny?
Red Letter Media: Puts out Plinkett review for Star Trek Picard.
Me: “Well guess I’m watching a 90 min review about a series I’ve never watched... and know nothing about... and have no interest in.”
Me too!
Please don't watch Picard. Save yourself.
Same, didn’t bother with this show.
WHAT KINDA FANCY NAME IS "GENE LUCK PICKERD" ANYWAY?
HURRRR, I'LL BETCH I CAN MAKE YA SQUEAL LI- LI- LIKE A PIG!!!
Yep. Me too, friend.
The idea that Picard gets a new body which is exactly the same as his old, elderly body...is...too stupid for accurate description. Sorry, I'm just going somewhere to peel all the skin from my face.
It's comically contrived. It's like something a high school production would do because they have a shoestring budget and only so many actors. "Hey, look! It's a new character! Who is an exact clone! Don't think about it too much!"
If I as Picard got resurrected into an 80 year old body, I'd be really pissed
@@ainternet239 But if you were Patrick Stewart you'd be happy because you keep your leading role.
Basically it gives the producers an excuse to kill off Picard in the next season, but then upload the character into a fresh new actor, thereby keeping Picard alive as a brand. Think Doctor Who regenerations, only way more stupid. The reason they'll probably do this later, rather than having done it now is probably at Stewart's insistence, or at least just a sneaky way to ease the audience into the idea that this can happen now without jumping in headfirst.
AlphAnalysis Oh no, you’re right. That’s the only plan that fits. This is the most awful thing.
The effects of JJ Abrams Mystery Box TED talk have been devastating to a whole generation of writers.
Couldn't agree with Dio more.
I just hope audiences finally reject that shit but the problem is it's reinforced by an army of media journalists and attention-seeking vloggers/bloggers who make a living out of guessing the answers to the mysteries for those too stupid to think for themselves.
Mostly just Alex Kurtzman, who appears to be the only writer in Hollywood anymore
@@2012sonora BSG
It's kind of hilarious that a guy who's never written a decent story in his life was called on to give a talk about storytelling.
I've never understood this modern value system that you have to like ALL of a thing if you're a fan of it. Mike's critique of Picard comes from a place of love. As fans, we all used to be able to debate freely whether we can like something or not and having alternate viewpoints was encouraged and healthy. Nowadays even just saying Picard isn't to your liking is enough to get hordes of people coming down on your like a ton of bricks, saying we're "gatekeeping" etc... you know what, maybe when it comes to the beloved characters, maybe I want to gatekeep, because based on Star Trek Picard, these people don't understand Star Trek. But once upon a time we were allowed to have different opinions. And not liking something isn't a sign of a hater... sometimes it's a sign of someone who loves something so much that they hate to see it fail so badly.
orthodoxy always whittles down the number of acceptable viewpoints so it can pit people against each other more solidly.
The final 5 minutes nails exactly what Star Trek is and is not.
I didn't cry, but I did get teary-eyed.
Yep!
Awesome space battles,armadas,and the passing of legendary figure as a sacrifice for somebody else!
...and then ruining it with bull crap!
Plinkett sounds like he's about to cry, his favorite show raped
my stool this morning was shaped like galactic treaty
Mark Ranger ROFL!!
Picard is just like every other american movie or TV-show these days based on old franchises: There is no plot, only twists.
It's not so much twisting as painful writhing. :D
@@sillonbono3196 :D It worked insofar as a 5 year old makes dinner. It's slop and has left a mess and nobody is happy or satisfied, BUT THERE'S SOMETHING ON THE PLATE! Be well! :D
It sure did! Everyone loved the last seasons.
action and violence is all they have. no characters, purpose or plot.
So they're all directed by M. Night Shyamalan?
Patrick Stewart is big into Shakespeare, right, ironic that his show is literally full of sound and fury, yet signifying nothing.
you know, when plinkett in the end cut together the inspirational quotes from "the old trek" I was kinda sad to see what had become of star trek ever since... and then the cut to new trek came
@@justtheaverageone3840 Agreed. At least, we'll always have Ceti Alpha V.
YOU, my unknown friend, have made my day. Probably the most appropriate application of a Shakespeare quote I've ever seen.
Stewart rejecting the first draft then accepting the second.
Kurtzman: This
Stewart: Oh, dear god, no.
Kurztman: Still this, but an extra zero on your paycheck
Steward: Make it so
Remember, the only elements that make up a story are:
1. Catastrophe
2. Violence
That's it.
@DevMag 52 Batman and Robin is against the geneva convention
Mindblowing. Some of the best Next Gen episodes didn't have an ounce of violence. What are these writers on?
3. AI
StarlessSky can’t wait until the Andy Griffith reboot where he gets 100 headshots in the first 10 minutes.
Akiva Goldsman .... *shudder*
I hope everyone realises Plinkett was released because Mike couldnt get Rich to talk about it with him anymore
That and Jay is fed up of filming it
That was my first thought too
Mike still recorded all the audio staring at a framed photo of Rich. :D
@@CarrotConsumer Space Rich Evans will rise again to redeem us!
@@CarrotConsumer No one's ever really gone.
“Wow Data, that really was a Star Trek.”
Truly star fleet was a
Star Trek Picard
Bravo Kurtzman!
I know that you fool!
31:55 - The deathstar is now part of canon.
What if the Star Trek were all the friends we made along the way?
This continues to be the most brutal, and most deserved destruction of a piece of corporate art ever made.
Well done Mike.
I regularly revist it just to remind me of how far things I used to love have fallen.
The funniest thing to me about all of this is that there's a "Mirror Universe" comic book series set during TNG that's dark and gritty but is 1,000,000 times more classy, respectful, well thought-out, and faithful to Star Trek lore and canon. And it doesn't read like "I'm a 14 year old edgelord and here's my 'what if Star Trek was badass' fanfiction". I wouldn't say it's the most intelligently written expansion to the Star Trek lore but it doesn't make me physically ill like learning all the failures of Picard has. I woke up this morning to finish this review and thought it was my hangover that was making me want to vomit. Nope, just Picard.
Hey it's ramadan steve!
What's this comic series' name? I'm a pretty entry level trekkie and it sounds cool. Very cool, even.
Agreed, Mirror Broken expanded the TNG mythos in a really fascinating way. On the same note, if anyone is looking for more Star Trek that's more in line with classic shows, the pocket books and novels are fantastic and there is a wide variety of them from TNG, TOS, VOY and original ideas like Star Trek: Titan which follows Riker as a captain post-nemesis
When Picard was announced I was sure they'd base it losely on the Star Trek: Destiny novel trilogy.
Because THAT is what this show should have been... god, those books are so good and fit so well with established canon!
David Mack, the author of that trilogy, really knows his stuff.
It's so annoying to know that such a good story exists but isn't canon!!!!!!
Can you imagine what they'd make the Mirror Universe if they visit it now? They'd try to make it into some ultra grimdark 40k ripoff lmao
The very first episode of TNG was Q judging the human race as barbarians, and the rest of the series could arguably be seen as them proving him wrong. All to lead to this. Maybe Q was right all along.
hey, not all of the human race. Just the TV writers
Of course Q was right, he's Q, And as we all know a Q is never wrong, he's simply temporarily rendered incorrect until reality bends back to his vision.
It's funny because they're trying to be ultraprogressive by showing women and brown people running everything, but they also show that world being a hellish dystopia.
If a Q is never wrong, then the Writers are trying to make sure Q was absolutely right in that first episode of TNG.
Maybe they DO care about Star Trek lore?
"You just don't get it, do you, Jean Luc? The trial never ends. We wanted to see if you had the ability to expand your mind and your horizons, and for one brief moment, you did. [...] For that one fraction of a second, you were open to options you had never considered. That is the exploration that awaits you... charting the unknown possibilities of existence."
I think people misunderstand what Star Trek is about.
The inspirational start trek bits at the end being followed immediately by the violence and vulgarity of Picard really drives home the fact that this show was complete trash.
The makers of the new show cannot conceptualize the future presented in Star Trek, even though it's not all that special, because they are bitter people with trash souls, and everything they make is fouled by and reflection of that trash.
The end of this video made me sad then angry. Yeah, fuck those douchebags, but I don't think Patrick Stewart really appreciated what he had been involved in all those years either.
@@Tchoukis And to think that the original series came out during one of the serious periods of the Cold War. With the fear of Nuclear Armageddon right around the corner.
@GermanCarsRule Sounds like everyone involved in big media today.
@@Tchoukis it's more cynical than that. They believe that their vision of the future is the preferred course and the correct way to reach the most viewers. All the talk of storytelling yet nothing bold or creative came from the show, just hackneyed, tired sci fi action tropes.
I enjoyed the end of this video where you remind us of what real Star Trek used to be. You give a random DS9 episode to show that many times you can lay out the full situation to an audience up-front, no secrets, and explore how the characters react to the situation and work through their feelings. So true when I watched Barge of the Dead last night, a Voyager episode and really enjoyed exploring the emotional and spiritual plight that Torres found herself in. One of the few Torres episodes of the later years and it was much better than all Seven of Nine borg stuff. Also found out after it was written by good writers Ronald D Moore and Bryan Fuller. Its the good writers that need to be brought back, not Patrick.
They literally just stole the plot of Mass Effect beat for beat, right down to the dead hero being copied into a mechanical body. Oh, and the army of synthetics trying to open a portal in order to let a race of machine-god space octopi through to cleanse the galaxy.
Completely shameless.
What about when Rodenberry copied the Twilight Zone episode People are alike all over when he made the Cage? Susan Oliver plays the same character in each
@@festo8756 Right but that's just a single episode, not the plot of an entire series. And let's not forget the utter plagiarism in STD, of an indie developer no less. Both shameless and disgusting, the way that guy was treated. Kurtzman is nearly incapable of original ideas. And when he does have them, they're terrible and make no sense.
Wouldn't expect anything less from those hacks.
@@monkeymox2544 There's more plagiarism in the rest of the series. I just gave you one example. Balance of Terror is a rip-off of the movie Enemy Below. Do you want more examples?
@@monkeymox2544 The entire series of Star Trek is a rip-off of Forbidden Planet
Cancelling CBS All Access is the happiest ending in the history of Star Trek.
It's a good ending because the fact is the reason they bother to make this stuff in the first place is to get your money. Starve them out of existence.
I have never heard Plinkett sound so genuinely sad as he was at the last section of the video. Thank you, Mike, for putting into words what so many of us feel.
"On the world the humans call... Mars"
So, just Mars then? Seems unlikely that the Romulans would have a different name for one of Earth's neighbouring planets. Even if they do, shouldn't the universal translator deal with that?
Riker: "On the world Romulans call....... Remus."
Geordi: "Why did you say it like that?"
Riker: "That's what they call it."
Geordi: "That's what *we* call it, too, because that's its name!"
@@whompronnie In a show the writers call "Star Trek"
Remember in that one episode of TNG when they bring those people out of the cryogenic sleep and they don't understand why that musician guy damaged his body with drugs and alcohol?
Now everyone is drinking and smoking. I guess that's considered cool and edgy in the mind of a 13-year old a.k.a. Alex Kurtzman.
Utopian ideals in the Federation are dead.
@@wizardpatch9405 That shit is NOT the Federation...
And the lesson of the story: don't defrost cryogenic people - they'll fuck up your entire interstellar society.
Playing devil's advocate here, maybe that guy brought drugs and excessive use of alcohol back into 24th century society, lol. He had zero competition!!!
@@strobbedelutz kicked out of 123 star systems you say?
"This thing was born of love" as every character is full of misery and hate.
Those writers dont know meaning of that word, they think love is what you pay for in some dirty street.... and they have been paid a lot for this trash.
Love for wealth I'm sure.
@@wholetyouinhere So much for Roddenberry's optimistic view of the future.
Love for the bottle, maybe.
Bro TNG was uber, duper woke. And so was TOS at its time.
That RLM is blocked by CBS and William Shatner is the funniest part of this whole thing
Right??? It's so petty lmao
The mods on the Star Trek subreddit aren't fans either, try and post a link to a RLM video and see it vanish at warp speed.
@@SlartiMarvinbartfast Probably got CBS endorsed admins. It's common with most Subs about a big corporate product.
Even tho they praised Wiliam Shatner as a good Actor.
I get cbs. But why Shattner?
The Ben Sisko speech at the end literally was a kick in le balls. Kurtzman, you have destroyed my childhood.
Figuritively.
What gets me the most about this, is Stewart's speech about how he'd received messages in the past from people about how star trek saved their lives.
James Doohan had a similar experience talking about a lady who sent him a suicide note, and he wrote her back asking to see her in person and ended up convincing her not to do it.
Stewart implies heavily that Picard is back for similar reasons, because people "need" star trek right now.
Does anyone, Patrick Stewart included, actually believe this bleak violent bastardization of old Trek, that actually goes out of it's way to kill off old characters or have them be depressed suicidal alcoholics will cause some depressed person to believe life is worth living after all?
I'm not saying the show is going to cause people to off themselves, but if it's his goal to inspire hope and give people with none a reason to go on, he's missed the mark in the opposite direction.
I believe there are many factors why Stewarts personality became polar opposite of Picards.
1.) He is very old, some people are old in head too... its called dementia
2.) He has joint illnes, speaks about it in old interviews, he also tells he is smoking and taking large dosages of painkillers... well do it in 80 years and you are happy if you can even stand
3.) For decades he is filthy rich and isolated from normal world, he does not speaked with fans at all till this nutrek, he is so old that he is not using internet, he lives in buble of rich elite
4.) There is group of people which is manipulating him for their own goals, they tell him "this is" what fans want, do this and we pay you xx milion dolars, when he do as they say he is "good boy" if he doesnt they will be very mean on him and dont give him dolars.
5.) He was only actor his all life, he never expanded his personality.
And so here we are with old manipulated demented drugged 80 years old "man" which barely knows what is happening...
maybe they are doing it on purpose.
@@wattylersghost well they shamed Picard on purpose for being a white male.
Literal words of the creator.
He was somehow privileged as a man in a post sexism post racism society, and needed to be put in his place and made to suicide himself for redemption.
its what they do to all our cultural images of strong white men. And its what they will continue to do. Luke Skywalker and now Picard. These characters were ended with the same level of out of character writing. Its hateful and full of forced perspective. Its sad to see such great things be toppled by armatures.
I think people just have the wrong idea about Stewart. Star Trek was a paycheck to him nothing more nothing less he wanted to quit after season 3. He really did not take off as a "mainstream icon" until he was cast as Prof X. Stewart himself said in an interview that he was never in a writers room until ST: Picard. That bit of information tells you Jean-Luc Picard was the writers not Stewart. Long answer short, Stewart cares nothing for Star Trek he just wants people to clap for him again.
oh man the "Sisko explains humanity to aliens" clip at the end really got to me
oh hey that didn't last long
its the talent of a good writer.
It's almost like the writers and showrunners there understood Star Trek.
i forced myself to watch all of Star trek picard, and the ending of this video (and some parts in the middle) got so much more emotion out of me that the whole show. Bring back real star trek, we really need it right now.
Sisko was fantastic
I remember when it was called "Star Wars".
I still remember when Lucas was the sole owner.
Dunkey, you don’t have to use your alternative account.
Whens your next video?
Lol
Oh Hey, you're here too? Cool.
TNG was meant to portray a hopeful future for humanity that had grown past tribalism and greed. Humans in the federation were sophisticated and followed intellectual pursuits. The new Star Trek wants to inject as much modern politics as possible. If I wanted that I could turn on the news.
Star trek was always just "politics, but with aliens". It lost that hopeful future back in DS9 with the massive Dominion War
You can have topical, and political stuff in shows as long as it's done well. Old TNG episodes had plenty of them. Difference was that the writers were much better.
@@headphonic8I think the hope made it through the Dominion War. Barely. Think of it like World War II. Good people had to do bad things to defeat awful people. There was a hope at the end that the Cardassians at least could turn into the equaivalent of Germany and Japan: former enemies that became strong friends and allies.
Mike's utter hate for nu-Trek sustains us all in these trying times
He loved, or really liked (said it made him emotional), ST: Beyond. See HItB episode.
@@arthurballs7083 Unlike KurtzTrek, AbramsTrek, if brainless, is at least harmless. And at its best, contains wistful echoes of real Trek and reminds one about how you miss the good stuff. Hence, Mike's sentiments.
I guess it feels better to reduce this entertaining analysis to "utter hate" if you don't have the brainpower to follow along and just want to join a cheering section.
could bewares ..disney doesnt own trek l;
@@arthurballs7083 Beyond was the film that Abrams and his gang of hacks called Bad Robot had the least direct involvement in with, and it was helmed by two self-admitted old-school Trek fans. And it was also easily the best of the Nu Trek films. Go figure.
“Please give it a chance” - Alex “The Franchise Killer” Kurtzman
A hack dog whistle if ever there was one
As long as pathetic, soulless corporations get their grubby fingers on beloved IPs, cobbling together sequels/reboots to get money before people realize they have no understanding of the properties they own, he’s sure to get work.
"Please pay for product, then you can hate it. Thanks." Because afterwards these people don't give two fucks about anything you think, $$$$$$$$$$$
"please clapp" "please...."
@Antonio Wakardo *CLAP REQUIRED*
The eyeball removal scene is the epitome of what makes Picard and by extension Discovery abject failures as Star Trek stories. They could not give less of a shit about what Star Trek fans who have been watching for decades want and have been loudly trying to tell Kurtzman and his cabal of morons to create. They want to be provocative for the sake of being provocative. Mystery box psychology and building stories solely on “moments” (trailer fodder) has never been more prevalent and I will never stop being bothered by the fact that it made its way into the production of Star Trek. As Mike, Rich and Mr. Plinkett have all demonstrated, that type of disturbing, hyper violent situation has no place in the universe which Roddenberry conceived. People always consider Star Trek to be the more intelligent counterpart to Star Wars, but while the new Star Wars films are basically crap, they at least never delved into Saw like scenes in order to generate an emotional reaction like Star Trek Picard did. What an unbelievable shambles, the fact that Kurtzman can still get work is diabolical and his plea to judge the show on “its merits” does nothing to alleviate the scuffing of Star Trek that he has committed. Fuck you Alex Kurtzman, you hack.
I can't imagine editing, filming, doing graphic design on a show with pointless empty violence. It's not Ash and the Evil Dead... It's serious, murderous violence. People are torn limb from limb. The most horrible thing in star trek was a phaser on kill which essentially made you disappear. That was pretty darn scary to me as a child. It was extremely rare in TNG.
This show was nobody's dream to create. What does it say about the people working on this series? As much as I want to treat it as a work of art, they are pretty up front about it being a PRODUCT. They promote it openly as being PRODUCT YOU WILL ENJOY. CONSUME PRODUCT.
But seriously, asking people to evaluate the show on its merits? That's exactly what Mike did. I dropped the show after the third episode. Imagine being on the creative team, or the production team of such a steaming pile of garbage. Sitting down doing special effects of an eyeball being ripped out is probably not a ton of fun, but think of the blatant disconnection with the culture (childhoods) built around the first few star trek shows. I struggle for an analogy. But Mike put it well, it's such an insult to all those people who like the show. We like that it's not ultra violent, and all the other things about it.
And it turns out, those hollywood types do NOT like us. Sometimes I think they WANTED to hurt the people who were inspired by star trek and star wars.
I believe you mean “hack frauds”
But yes, honestly violence can have a purpose in story telling sure but it has to be an apropriate level for the story and that shit isnt Star Trek apropriate at all and past a certain point some levels of violence have no story value they’re just clear sick indulgences in sadism by the people making the show, I mean even if this was a horror movie what’s a horror movie supposed to do? Gross you out or spook you?
It’s to spook you that’s what they should be and so even for a horror movie if it’s a good one that scene would be to much, sure you might show the thing coming towards the eye but then you just have a shot from the side where the focus in on the persons body movements and scream to convey the fear you should feel while the eye coming out is just a sillout in the dark lighting, that would convey all the spookiness without being so gross
"Picard" sucks, but "what Star Trek fans who have been watching for decades" want is a bunch of stuff that contradicts what other fans want. It's not a coherent alternative. And most of the fan ideas suck, because it's just rando nerds with no experience making a TV show demanding a show that feeds them ice cream for every meal. Like, I saw people demanding a Star Trek show that uses Q to explain that the Abrams-run movies never happened. That's just boring nerd vendetta shit, a pile of trivia poured into a bowl with sour milk, but it's what a bunch of Star Trek fans want. Personally, I want good TV, well-written, well-acted, etc. "Picard" ain't that.
@@MegaZeta Nobody thinks that start trek should be using some rando's ideas trom the internet. The point is, that throughout all the different TV series, Star Trek had a few things in common - it focued on exploration of new places and species, it relied heavily on well-written dialogue, it presented a vision of the future where humans tried to coegsist peacefully with others (even DS9, which was so focused on war, was not warlike). I don't think its a big streach to assume that the spirit of Star Trek is what people miss in the new shows, not any particular storylines.
Don't forget Sir Patrick Stuart himself. He was the one who didn't want the cast to speak formally again, didn't want wear the uniform again and wanted this show to be about Brexit of all things. Remember, this series could have been made without it adhering to HIS taste.
What really hurts is, this series shows how Stewart isn't like the ideal fans graced him with when watching TNG. He obviously shared little of the traits you see with Picard's character in the OG show. When we love a character we have a habit of melding what's on screen with the actor. His obvious clout with the making of the new show lets us know how little he shared of the personality of OG Picard.
So sad.
Never meet your heroes, or watch a show they only agree to do for money and have influence in the writing of their character. It'll only reveal their true nature. Stewart has no affinity for Picard.
He's an actor. The writers should have sense to write a decent show and characters that make sense.
Hollywood television and movies are about making money. Always have been, always will be. Famous actors are out-of-touch, overpayed rich people, and all that matters to them is that they make money. If they can trick themselves into believing they are "doing good," or "making art," all the better.
Tha fault isn't theirs anymore. We are complicit in our self-delusions. We want actors to be good, nice, worthy people. By and large they are selfish trash humans. We want television to be inspiring, and transformative, but it is the opposite. It inspires in us nothing but complacency by tricking us into believing thay rich people doing make believe is life. It is not.
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Well said
If i can't watch Star Trek with my daughter... its not star trek.
I used to watch TOS with my Mum when I was just a cub.
I've thought about how sad it is that preteens and even younger can't watch Kurtzman Trek a few times. So many Trekkies are Trekkies because we watched Star Trek with our families when we were children and so many people have these wonderful stories about Star Trek being a family tradition. It doesn't surprise me that Kurtzman doesn't understand that. He actively hates Star Trek and resents us fans for daring to want Star Trek that's not this bleak, nihilistic garbage that uses woke virtue signaling as a shield against criticism.
Even when I was grounded, or if I had homework I still got to watch TNG with my dad. Even if he was angry at me he still watched TNG with me because he thought it was that important. Luckily I had dr who to share with my kids but this new trem really gives you nothing.
@@NaeMuckle Because everything you need to know about life, you can learn from watching (pre-2009) Star Trek.
I don't think that's a fair statement. Not every Trek series has to be family friendly. Now, that being said, the way that each series handles its themes should be what's considered important. If the show just has gratuitous violence for the sake of it in order to be seen as dark and edgy, that's problematic. However, if the violence is used in order to explore certain themes, and if it is shown in a way that isn't gratuitous, then it's fine.
So, Star Trek Picard did Mass Effect 3 worse than Mass Effect 3?
Huh. I’m not even mad. I’m just amazed.
ME3 wasn't terrible. The ending sucked, and most of the choices equaled a number but... I dont know. The build up, tone, confrontation with illusive man, there was a lot of good in there. At least it didnt betray its core, it just dissapointed us in its promise of choice. And the plot kinda sucked in the end as well.
Look fine. It sucked. But when the reapers were just lovecraft monsters and when you were dealing with Cerberus, it was always great.
ME3 just had a bad ending. ST:Picard is an affront to everything Star Trek means. I am just glad Gene isn't alive to see his work destroyed but careless, politically driven people.
No. Picard didnt do mass effect 3. They stole a premise and plotpoint from mass effect 1. Theres a significant difference.
Always remember: there was a good TNG-like ending to ME3, but it got leaked, so the writers decided to change it against the will of EA.
@@hermannabt8361 I highly doubt that EA gave a shit about the story of Mass Effect 3 until the backlash occurred (at which point they probably cared a great deal). The original lead writer leaving the series was the destructive element for Mass Effect 3, which left the lead producer to just do an ass pull of monolithic proportions for the concluding story. Wheelspinning for an entire entry instead of setting up 3 didn't help either though.
You gave me actual emotional whiplash at the end. I thought you were ending with the courageous optimism of the real Star Trek shows - I wasn't ready for the misery of Picard's horrorfest. It made your point in the clearest way.
The more I think about it, the more I blame SciFi's Battlestar Galactica. Ever since that show came out 15 years ago, every mainstream science fiction media since has tried to be dark and edgy like it. It just doesn't work with Star Trek.
@@nathanvalle6997 I somehow still haven't seen Battlestar Galactica. Everyone says it's one of the best sci-fi series, though, so I should probably do that at some point. :)
@@OathofLight It stinks.
@@nathanvalle6997 Nah I blame the JJ Abrams flicks
I was thinking the same thing that your comment is right on the money
When Mike couldn’t get the celebrity Rich Evans to come back, he had to call on his old friend, Real Mr. Plinkett, to review this piece of crap.
Rich missed out on a glass of wine
Mike became the very thing he sought to destroy. (Everything wrong with Picard in x minutes or less)
Rich was the original Plinkett
@@IMperson222 No I disagree with this. This is not cinemasins level. It's a good Plinkett review but not the best. I honestly blame it on the source material. movies like Phantom Menace and Ghostbusters 2016 at least gave Plinkett a solid mountain of shit to dig through. But Picard? that was basically like wading into a river of diarrhea in galoshes and trying to catch individual passing turds with a butterfly net.
Rich Evans is too busy watching trailers , and I don’t mean movie trailers
CBS: This isn't your father Star Trek
Star Trek Fan: Got that right. My father's Star Trek was *good* .
Kinda funny when RLM accurately predicted all the shows plot developments with their "This writing is so bad, that X is going to happen because it's so stupid it just has to" again and again and again xD.
I wish they did go for Borg spaceship boxing tbh
Spaceship hands > Giant Space Octopus.
Less dumb, and more believable too.
@@ChimpFromSpace In a vacuum, a giant space octopus isn't as dumb as spaceship hands, but it's really inane in a freaking Star Trek show.
For a long time, people have shit on Star Trek V because it was one of the "bad" Star Trek movies, and William Shatner has often gotten a lot of shit for his ego or what not. After the TNG movies, and this Picard show though, I have a lot more respect for Shatner than I do Patrick Stewart. ST Picard cemented that he gave no shits what the series stood for, or how well TNG Picard resonated with audiences.
Shatner directed Star Trek V, and while it is one of the weaker entries in the OG cast films, that's mostly because the story could have used some ironing out. However Shatner totally understood the character, and the relationships between Kirk, Spock, and McCoy. It's biggest fault is that the movie was like an episode of the original series, which is not the worst thing in the world.
Patrick Stewart and Brent Spiner are fucking idiots who didn't even remember that Picard and Data were not even "best friends" or anything on the show! They just wanted the most screentime, and didn't care how they had to mold the universe to fit their wants. Data and Geordi were the close friends, and with the exception of Star Trek Generations, Geordi is completely useless in the TNG movies. The TNG movies, and ST Picard kept making it seemed like Picard and Data were lovers or some shit, when I always saw it as Picard was Data's mentor for humanity. A teacher/student relationship almost.
Pretty sure V's biggest sin is having old-ass Uhura do a sexy dance to distract the guards.
I swear when I first heard of this show I imagined it as a cozy cultural show where we'd watch Picard picking grapes, making wine and discussing Shakespeare and reading poetry. And I loved that idea.
And he could even have a laaaaayyyyyyyyde
@@daleksupreme2913 and after a hard day’s work, they sit down, open a bottle and have a glass of wiiiiinnnnneeee.
Ohh, you poor bastard...
That might be because it was actually Mike's idea of the show in a prior video…🤦🏻♂️
I always knew Patrick Stewart wasn't the right fit to making Picard work - that would be Ron Moore and Michael Piller. It was just more nostalgia traps. Do your research next time.
From the people who vaguely recall such breathtaking lines such as "Engage!" "Make it so!" and "Tea, Earl Grey. Hot," it's Star Trek: Current Year, starring a man who doesn't want to be there, but was offered a suitcase full of money.
And dont forget a pen and a piece of paper, of which he used to write "kiss my ass" on it.
@@snowflakepillow8697 I mean, maybe he enjoys it.
@@MrLego3160 We can only hope
Funny that an actor who is incredibly vital for his age and feels about twenty years younger, is now doomed to play decrepit old men.
@@snowflakepillow8697 He's been in some good stuff over the years, but yeah. Nothing that came remotely close to his performance in A Clockwork Orange.
This video helped me realize how much I still love Star Trek. The end about the man with his model railroad that was vandalized by the teenagers perfectly set up the clips of real Star Trek which I found heart-warming and then all the Picard clips which were stomach turning. I was surprised to find that whole sequence made me more emotional that I would have guessed. The betrayal by the current batch of Trek writers felt all the more personal and made me mourn Trek in a weird way. Thank god I still have my DVDs.
Right? Every time a scene from "old" Trek turned up, I felt some kind of relief and felt I was watching something intelligent for a second
Same. I had started to question whether my previous love for Trek was justified. I'm relieved to see that, yes, old Trek did deserve my appreciation. I shouldn't let "new Trek" taint what came before.
Perfect ending to Star Trek Picard:
Q shows up and tells Picard that he never left the Vineyard. Picard gives him a confused look before opening his eyes and understanding. Hard cut to a still shot of Picard's tombstone. Credits roll. Fin.
In the state that humanity seems to be in this series I wouldn't be surprised if Q came back and said "you have now failed the trail".
Q is back for Season 2 according to the trailers, but only to enable some time travel shenanigans.
@@kevinnio oh, wow, I'm sure they will absolutely nail that, with no time travel related plot holes whatsoever. The idea that they can just alter the past is worrying to me, but I'd wager that Q will literally be like, inviting Picard to join them and he'll walk into the light to ascend to a Q or something bizarre
I like this idea a lot. Maybe there could have been a hint established about it in the opening episode of the series - Q brings Picard a tasteful but beautiful bouquet of flowers, as a gift for an old friend he hasn't seen in ages! Picard has a what's-this-about moment with Q to establish the tone of the show, the flowers are forgotten about, and the show moves on. At the end of the series, Q shows up again to put a bow on the resolution - they laugh and share a glass of wine - and Q reaches off-shot, pulling the same bouquet back into frame, and Picard realizes the flowers haven't aged a day. Then you get the "wham" line and the end scene, with Q laying the bouquet at Picard's grave.
The cold, grim brutality of showing the compilation of Picard after the uplifting montage from star trek was cruel but necessary.
I love how you seperated Picard from Trek
@@paulr.1961 I can't take all the credit, CBS already did it
@@superhillsider it'd be like that but if someone came up to the podium during the eulogy, swore for ten minutes, and then took a dump in the casket