Star Trek Voyager... The Documentary You've Been Waiting For!

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  • Опубликовано: 29 дек 2024

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  • @ThePopcast
    @ThePopcast  3 месяца назад +54

    Don’t miss out on all the action this week at DraftKings! Download the DraftKings app today! Sign-up using dkng.co/popcast or through my promo code POPCAST. Voyager Fans, tell us your favorite memories from the show below! This video took us 4 months or a little over 700 hours to make. We hope you enjoy it! We appreciate you so much. Please help us keep this channel going by getting these One of a Kind Limited edition designs! mxtz.co/collections/latest-merch

    • @davidnonya7359
      @davidnonya7359 3 месяца назад

    • @hottakestuesdays7450
      @hottakestuesdays7450 3 месяца назад +2

      Its easily the most entertaining Star Trek of all time. I really liked it. I just didn't like when the whole show became about 7 of 9.

    • @hottakestuesdays7450
      @hottakestuesdays7450 3 месяца назад

      kes was better than 7 of 9 imo

    • @klyanadkmorr
      @klyanadkmorr 3 месяца назад +1

      Never waited for a pathetic youtube channel compilation vid, the show ended up shyt from promise.WHAT WE LEFT BEHIND is the definitive best Trek Docu ever.

    • @Teh_Goat
      @Teh_Goat 3 месяца назад +1

      absolutely
      I can't wait to hear the history of Draft king sports
      2 ads in 10 minutes

  • @justinmartin845
    @justinmartin845 27 дней назад +29

    This was a gift. Thank you for making this. Voyager means so much to me having grown up watching it, it feels like coming home whenever it’s on. I have so much love for this series and it’s crew. ❤

  • @loremipsum6984
    @loremipsum6984 2 месяца назад +70

    I've returned to watching Voyager after 25 years. With some fear that I wouldn't like it as much as I did when I was a teenager. I was so wrong. Im loving it even more. Kate Mulgrew is absolutely fantastic in this role. My fascination with the series, especially with the role of Captain Janeway, has significantly influenced what I do professionally. Thank you Captain!

    • @Cloxxki
      @Cloxxki 25 дней назад +6

      Mulgrew carries the crew sublimely. These kinds of performances are channeled, not played.

    • @EgoChip
      @EgoChip 15 дней назад

      Voyager was the perfect example of how you can do diversity and inclusivity without any woke nonsense. It's light years away from the modern crap we have that leaves me feeling like I am being indoctrinated by a cult. We have gone so far backwards.

    • @teedepefanio4974
      @teedepefanio4974 7 дней назад +1

      All the characters are cool. I love the Doctor. 7 of 9 is a gem.. etc... etc.. great show

  • @southerncomfort971
    @southerncomfort971 3 месяца назад +174

    Wow, I would be here forever to say what I think, as a 70 year old man who started this voyage way back in 1966, my easy answer is what a wonderful trip you gave me and us, thank you so very much for insight I would not have known or seen with out you. Thank you so very much.

    • @ThePopcast
      @ThePopcast  3 месяца назад +14

      Thank you for this comment. Hearing the impact you had watching it makes all the effort with it! Blessings to you :)

    • @carolwatkins8541
      @carolwatkins8541 3 месяца назад +3

      yup i'm 71 & I just love it all~

    • @WhitchurchStuff
      @WhitchurchStuff 3 месяца назад +2

      Currently doing a rewatch (plus the excellent Delta Flyers podcast). This was a great watch, thanks!

    • @privateness.network
      @privateness.network 3 месяца назад +2

      The original ST crew didn't believe it either. There still is a ST convention every weekends somewhere..

  • @amadmanmakesstuff
    @amadmanmakesstuff 3 месяца назад +77

    I love the love Voyager is getting recently.

    • @sebastianashbury2478
      @sebastianashbury2478 2 месяца назад +2

      Probably helps that they reference it every so often in Lower Decks

    • @kylesteinhauser2535
      @kylesteinhauser2535 2 месяца назад +7

      It’s always been good, people just needed time to see it

    • @delphicdescant
      @delphicdescant 4 дня назад

      @@kylesteinhauser2535 Yes, it's always been my favorite, and it seems to age so well now too after all these years. And every time some new installment to the franchise comes out, it just makes Voyager look better still lol.

  • @undifinder6643
    @undifinder6643 3 месяца назад +136

    I cannot stop watching Voyager from time to time, it just keep pulling me in with a very special tractor beam.

    • @CoffeeBlack-VOY
      @CoffeeBlack-VOY 3 месяца назад +12

      Its very much my comfort show ❤😊

    • @Telemaniakus
      @Telemaniakus 2 месяца назад +2

      m 2...

    • @Startrek95
      @Startrek95 Месяц назад +5

      Same for me!

    • @michaelm9710
      @michaelm9710 17 дней назад +1

      Same. I grew up with these shows. I’m Gen X and was the target group. I still love these shows. And Next Gen (Prichard). I was a young boy when Star Trek and Captain Kirk were still on tv. Good. But not as good as these two shows

    • @mindurbusiness-b3u
      @mindurbusiness-b3u 16 дней назад +1

      its Jeri Ryan's well rounded warp nacelles that bring me back periodically

  • @datanimia
    @datanimia Месяц назад +8

    As a Brazilian, I discovered Star Trek Voyager on Netflix a few years ago. The highlight for me is the dialogue, particularly the exchanges between Seven of Nine and the Captain. I'll never forget the episode that focused on individuality.

  • @trekgate3005
    @trekgate3005 3 месяца назад +281

    We Need DS9 and VOY on Blu-ray and in HD!

    • @mnico239
      @mnico239 3 месяца назад +12

      As far as I know that’s not really doable. With TNG they filmed it on film, you can rescan that film in HD resolution and have a digital HD Version of it. DS9 and Voyager were recorded directly to videotape in camera(like VHS or Betamax) so we only have that level of detail to go from. You would have to upscale that low resolution base material to create a HD Version and it would look pretty bad. You may be able to do some AI upscale trickery, but that would be a lot of work, would still deliver wonky quality and not be financially viable.
      So in short: There won’t ever be Voyager in HD

    • @DonDonP1
      @DonDonP1 3 месяца назад +24

      @@mnico239 Nice try, but both “DS9” and “Voyager” were shot on film as well. Yet, in post-production, both shows were transferred to videotape.

    • @mallockarcher
      @mallockarcher 3 месяца назад +2

      Unfortunately I think it will just boil to cold hard cash. All that scanning, grading, clean up and new VFX in HD will cost more than they'll make from it. TNG is way more popular than either of them and caught the tail end of physical media being the prime form of viewing archive material. DS9 and VOY in HD would have to cover the costs largely through streaming and the money isn't as good as it is on physical media. The best we can hope for is a best of boxset with key episodes remastered to HD like the teaser release they did for TNG.

    • @trekgate3005
      @trekgate3005 3 месяца назад +8

      @@mnico239 You're not wrong but why does B5 get an HD remaster and Blu-Ray release but DS9 and VOY can't? Remaster would be nice but even just slight upscale with not great 90s CGI graphic would be nice.

    • @beardedgaming1337
      @beardedgaming1337 3 месяца назад +4

      there are AI upscale versions of both online. easy to find. large downloads tho, about 800GB each. its a solid 5 hour download

  • @Space_Nerd67
    @Space_Nerd67 2 месяца назад +40

    I was born a year after Star Trek TOS began. I've watched all the series and movies, and Voyager was and probably will always be my favorite. As a matter of fact, I went through a sort of low-key depression after the last episode aired. Voyager had become such a part of my weekly routine, I felt as if I was saying good-bye to good friends.

    • @burtturdison4445
      @burtturdison4445 27 дней назад

      I hated the feeling of seeing the crews go away in the 2000s when those shows stopped running. So I bought TNG and voyager on DVD. I know both series front to back and inside out. I watched all of TNG 3 times and am currently on my 3rd re watch of voyager which will take me until the middle of next year to complete. To me personally the 2 greatest series created.

    • @Marc_Fuchs_1985
      @Marc_Fuchs_1985 10 дней назад

      Now imagine, how that feels to those actors, when a show ends after many years. Having seen each other almost daily, working together and seeing them as friends, and very suddenly, everything is over. To those people it was special, but to the studios, it's just another production, as mentioned by the sets being torn down without any second to spare.
      I have watched Voyager many times, and every time again, I am a little sad when the run is over. If it was for me, this show could have been going for 30 years. As an artist, every time a run is over, I have the strong urge to draw a fanart. But I don't have a platform where to show it. Maybe in the future, who knows. I am working on a fully animated show, where one of the running gags is that the character wears a different shirt in every episode. I have planned one shirt to be of the design of the Voyager uniforms. I guess I'll pick the blue one, though the red one is also appealing.

  • @dramonmaster222
    @dramonmaster222 3 месяца назад +318

    A 2 Hour video on ST Voyager? Yes!

    • @heartsineurope
      @heartsineurope 3 месяца назад +6

      Yes yes yes

    • @sFeral
      @sFeral 3 месяца назад

      @@heartsineurope correct answer to 7s: Do you wish to copulate?

    • @Scripture-Man
      @Scripture-Man 3 месяца назад +5

      I presume you know about the _official_ Voyager documentary that's in production, due out next year?

    • @theadventuresofzoomandbettie
      @theadventuresofzoomandbettie 3 месяца назад +2

      LOL I was like "Yay! Voyager! oooooffff 2 hrs? ok im in"

    • @KikoNYC
      @KikoNYC 3 месяца назад +3

      ❤❤❤

  • @waxedearth5425
    @waxedearth5425 2 месяца назад +13

    My childhood friend was obsessed with this show. He would call me on a landline phone and force me to watch it with him. Now that I’m an adult and I understand why.

  • @holomatrix
    @holomatrix 3 месяца назад +202

    My favourite Star Trek of all time. Thank you for the documentary, it's awesome. 🥰🔥

    • @mikeadams8027
      @mikeadams8027 3 месяца назад +5

      I like Voyager but I think Sisko is a better captain. He was willing to pollute a whole colony to stop terrorists, and create a fake terrorist attack to create an alliance to stop a war.

    • @melvyn99
      @melvyn99 3 месяца назад +4

      @@mikeadams8027 Sisko is my favorite Star Trek Captain.

    • @Zitronenmantel
      @Zitronenmantel 2 месяца назад +5

      Picard is the best

    • @peternetterville6081
      @peternetterville6081 2 месяца назад +2

      Na, Archer is best.

    • @Zitronenmantel
      @Zitronenmantel 2 месяца назад

      @@peternetterville6081 nevah

  • @CmdrDuncan
    @CmdrDuncan 2 месяца назад +3

    Thanks!

  • @EskeAndersen
    @EskeAndersen 3 месяца назад +375

    My favorite Star Trek will always be TNG, but to be honest, when I go back to 90s Trek, I go back to Voyager. It's just so much fun!

    • @georgezachos7322
      @georgezachos7322 3 месяца назад +10

      So do i. 😊

    • @htershane
      @htershane 3 месяца назад +25

      Yea TNG and Voyager I can easily dip in and out of, and like you say there’s more fun in there. I like DS9 too but once I start on those I end up getting sucked into the whole dominion arc😂.

    • @DonDonP1
      @DonDonP1 3 месяца назад +2

      Mine as well.

    • @robertfrancois6064
      @robertfrancois6064 3 месяца назад +3

      @@htershanethe prophet

    • @kewlztertc5386
      @kewlztertc5386 3 месяца назад +2

      Do you like SNW? I think the fun factor is why that's the only nuTrek I like.
      Although I grew up with TNG, Voyager is my favorite, I guess for the fun factor.

  • @nebula0024
    @nebula0024 10 дней назад +2

    The casting of Kate Mulgrew as Captain Janeway was absolutely the right call. Couldn't imagine the series without her!!
    Fantastic documentary. I've always liked TNG, but Voyager is where my heart is. Taking a peek behind the curtain like this was an absolute joy to watch. ♥

  • @laurentitolledo1838
    @laurentitolledo1838 3 месяца назад +159

    Star Trek Voyager is probably the only Star Trek series I've watched from start to finish, all 7 seasons
    and still continue to watch some of my fave episodes from time to time...

    • @JohnnyX50
      @JohnnyX50 3 месяца назад +7

      Agreed, same here :) I love re-watching from start to end, only skipping episodes that didn't quite 'do it' for me, which isn't very many :)

    • @apeehimalayachand4869
      @apeehimalayachand4869 3 месяца назад +3

      well this was the only series which made me cry when our space tour guide left the ship

    • @Highfrequencydj
      @Highfrequencydj 3 месяца назад +4

      You’re missing out so much if you’ve never watched DS9 1-7. It’s absolutely perfect for binge watching and easily the best overall. Voyager has some incredible standalone episodes but the world building, story and character arc’s from DS9 is on another level

    • @jimmynorris1314
      @jimmynorris1314 3 месяца назад +2

      @@Highfrequencydjagreed. Been a Star Trek fan since the 80s but DS9 is top tier.

    • @bonsai3547
      @bonsai3547 3 месяца назад +2

      there are some hundred thousand people doing nothing else than watching startrek all over and over again

  • @GaymingAndStuff
    @GaymingAndStuff 3 месяца назад +17

    I think Voyager, more than any of the 90s Trek, is the closest to my heart, because it was with me during the most pivotal moments.
    It premiered when I when I started middle school (6th grade) and ended when I graduated high school. I think that is why it was closest to my heart and has always been so.
    This crew felt like family to me, while I was undergoing lots of personal and emotional conflicts in life, I felt like I was along for the journey...
    In many ways, the Delta Quadrant felt like my personal life...dark, mysterious, turbulent (I was dealing with parents divorcing, I was abused, I came out as gay, got in trouble to cope with the abuse, etc), and when "Endgame" premiered, I was a bit more settled and stable...So, when Voyager found its way home, in a way, I did as well.
    I remember telling Kate Mulgrew and Jeri Ryan my story at a convention on time, crying like a baby, and they both hugged me. I told Kate that Janeway felt like the mother I never had, and that it was so weird to feel that connection with a fictional character, but that she would never know just how much she meant to me growing up...and that her portrayal of Janeway gave me so much strength to face my demons.
    They coudln't have been kinder to me. I will always treasure that memory.
    Thanks, ST: Voyager...
    Cheers, to the journey...

    • @DanielMWJ
      @DanielMWJ 2 месяца назад +1

      The actors were all great. The writing was hit-or-miss, though. Some coordination with continuity and characterization would have gone a long way!

    • @jamesellison4575
      @jamesellison4575 Месяц назад +3

      I'm glad you found your way home: it took courage and determination. Your Janeway-mom would be proud of you.

  • @HoodBoyOt
    @HoodBoyOt 3 месяца назад +16

    I really did not expect to sit down and watch a 2 hour long Voyager documentary in which I learned more about Voyager than any tv show ever.

  • @srabchun
    @srabchun 3 месяца назад +17

    I loved Voyager. Even though I’ve seen every episode more than I can count, I still watch it to this day because I love the characters. They did an excellent job casting the show.

  • @tubeTreasurer
    @tubeTreasurer 3 месяца назад +57

    Voyager is my favorite series, partially because it was running on TV when I was a teenager. Later I learned english watching it. Because I already watched every episode about 3-4 times, I knew the lines by heart. So when watching it in english for the first time my brain went "Ahh thats how you say it in english". By season 5, I was understanding 90%.

    • @stevencoardvenice
      @stevencoardvenice 2 месяца назад +2

      Interesting. If you had been born earlier, Mr data would have been the one to teach you English

    • @jacksonorlady1367
      @jacksonorlady1367 2 месяца назад

      lol cool story

    • @brozy5720
      @brozy5720 2 месяца назад

      That's a good way to learn "spoken English", written can be boring and never gives you a feel for the actual use of the language.

  • @zuriel7
    @zuriel7 3 месяца назад +29

    "First Black captain in the franchise."
    *Captains Terrell, the captain of the Saratoga, Captain Tryla Scott, Captain Silva LaForge, and Captain Kasidy Yates entered the chat to encourage Ben Sisko*
    "He means First Black series lead, y'all. Give it up!"

    • @stevencoardvenice
      @stevencoardvenice 2 месяца назад +5

      And weren't thereblack ADMIRALS too in the original trek movies??? I'm pretty sure Brock Peters was an admiral 1986 star trek 4

    • @stevencoardvenice
      @stevencoardvenice 2 месяца назад +4

      I just confirmed. Yes he was an admiralty. Admiral cartwright.
      Daystrom,.... the chief physicist behind starfleet technology in the 1960s show, also was black

    • @NextWorldVR
      @NextWorldVR 2 месяца назад

      ​@@stevencoardvenice and the Inventor of the Transporter in ENTERPRISE

    • @stevencoardvenice
      @stevencoardvenice 2 месяца назад

      @@NextWorldVR
      Didn't know that

  • @pattimcb31
    @pattimcb31 3 месяца назад +49

    This is the Voyager documentary I've been waiting for thank you for this episode

  • @imtrex521
    @imtrex521 Месяц назад +5

    just finished my 4th binge of all Voyager seasons. my fav!!

  • @pattimcb31
    @pattimcb31 3 месяца назад +192

    Voyager is Comfort Trek

    • @ThePopcast
      @ThePopcast  3 месяца назад +12

      Yes!

    • @jeffreyscott2252
      @jeffreyscott2252 3 месяца назад +3

      Nap Trek!

    • @CLJlovesmal
      @CLJlovesmal 3 месяца назад +9

      ​@@jeffreyscott2252 Garrett has said so many people tell him they fall asleep to Voyager. Apparently something about how they edited sound I guess creates an ASMR effect. Funnily enough it's been my "can't sleep, done everything else?" move for years. Used to use videotapes then streaming services.

    • @CoffeeBlack-VOY
      @CoffeeBlack-VOY 3 месяца назад +4

      Yes❤☕🖖

    • @Its__Good
      @Its__Good 3 месяца назад +5

      I agree. It's the opposite of NuTrek.

  • @Beto19666
    @Beto19666 3 месяца назад +27

    Star Trek Voyager was and is my favorite Star Trek series. Everything about it was well done and embodied the spirit of Roddenberry vision.

    • @rebeccahicks3554
      @rebeccahicks3554 27 дней назад +1

      Absolutely. I have found that each episode always has a wonderful ability to promote a conversation about the human spirit and how it diverges with ones moral compass. I think its subject matter in each episode would be great for debate teams in schools.

  • @ralamothe318
    @ralamothe318 3 месяца назад +4

    GAWD! I ABSOLUTELY LOVED this documentary! Thank you SO much for this. The nostalgia I felt watching this was SO immense and I miss these old Trek shows so much. The level of story-telling and character development was so immersive.

  • @FatCatGarfield
    @FatCatGarfield 3 месяца назад +5

    Voyager was what introduced me to Star Trek as a whole, so it'll forever hold a soft spot in my heart. It remains to this day the series I go back and watch episodes from when I have an itch that needs scratching.

  • @tshepomahlatsi4377
    @tshepomahlatsi4377 Месяц назад +4

    This documentary really touched home with me. When I think about my childhood, Voyager falls under some of my happy memories.

  • @ricomariani
    @ricomariani 3 месяца назад +2

    Thanks!

  • @originalsusser
    @originalsusser 3 месяца назад +13

    Did I just watch a 2hr YT... apparently, yes! The absolute best summation of the best Star Trek series ever. No detail left out. No detail unimportant enough, no detail insignificant enough. I spent the entire series simply enjoying it as I found it. Now I'm educated about details I never considered that contributed to said enjoyment...
    I'd better subscribe

  • @Nergling
    @Nergling Месяц назад +7

    I absolutely adore Voyager, it’s by far my favourite Trek series. Thanks for the fantastic documentary!

  • @jusadude7162
    @jusadude7162 3 месяца назад +75

    Voyager is right beside TNG in my mind. I connected with VOY characters so much and cared about them. The series pulled me thru some rough times. Watching an episode was like drinking some chicken soup. Whenever I’m feeling down I put on VOY and automatically feel better. I had a chance to say “thank you” to Kate Mulgrew personally while waiting for luggage in London. That is a highlight I will never forget.

    • @stephenreeves-brown7219
      @stephenreeves-brown7219 2 месяца назад +1

      I had more feels watching Picard when the Voyager theme made it’s appearance.

  • @andrewwolsoncroft2221
    @andrewwolsoncroft2221 2 месяца назад +7

    Voyager was by far my most favourite with the best wrapped up ending.

  • @CalebSnell
    @CalebSnell 3 месяца назад +10

    This was absolutely incredible! As a Voyager fan, it was fun to relive some of the memories and also learn new facts about the show and what was going on in the background. This was executed perfectly- well done!

    • @ThePopcast
      @ThePopcast  3 месяца назад

      Glad you enjoyed it!

  • @52RedHouse
    @52RedHouse 25 дней назад +1

    Great Documentary. I'm 43... Started watching TNG on an old tube TV with nobs and bunny ears with my brother when we were kids... (we were happy to have a TV at all in my room, wasn't as common in 1991!) But, really, we all know it, as 15 to 50 year old males, what saved Voyager was.... Jeri Ryan. What a woman! She is a great actress, especially in Picard. Plus the episodes with 7 of 9 and the Borg were the best episodes story wise.

  • @grandpalarry7776
    @grandpalarry7776 3 месяца назад +66

    While Sally Ride was the first American woman in space in 1983 she was preceded by two Russian (USSR) women. Valentina Tereshkova was the first woman to go into space in 1963. She was followed by Svetlana Savitskaya in 1982.

    • @StarliteCreative
      @StarliteCreative 3 месяца назад

      Americans would still be trying to make a rocket if they didn't force nazi war criminals to do it for them! Don't ever forget Von Braun killed hundreds if not thousands of English civilians with his V2 death machine that the Americans turned into their space program. Good job Kennedy, it's no wonder you died for for this disgrace.

    • @rishmastering
      @rishmastering 3 месяца назад +4

      Didn't understand why you were telling this until I heard the statement in the video! Obviously this channel is not managed by real scifi buffs....

    • @DWPL89
      @DWPL89 3 месяца назад +4

      @@rishmastering Weird thing to get wrong.

    • @damdampapa
      @damdampapa 3 месяца назад +6

      The mistake sticks out like a sore thumb. I really can't see how it was missed in edit.

    • @gillesjacques1022
      @gillesjacques1022 3 месяца назад

      It came out back when it happened too, Sally got a lot of flack for it, kind of killed her career as well. She just disappeared from the limelight after that one!

  • @bridge2space
    @bridge2space Месяц назад +5

    I absolutely love Voyager and its crew. Such an imaginative concept and episodes, going beyond the already established mythology

  • @jasoncline1980
    @jasoncline1980 3 месяца назад +13

    Great video! Voyager is my favorite for the constant exploration of complete unknown.

  • @carador9286
    @carador9286 Месяц назад +2

    For me, Voyager was the leap into the vast ocean of Star Trek. The show was on TV every day when I came home from school. Even today I get goosebumps when I hear the score and Captain Janeway is probably the first woman I would call my idol.

  • @diablomix
    @diablomix 3 месяца назад +59

    Voyager is my #1 favourite.

  • @TwoWholeWorms
    @TwoWholeWorms 3 месяца назад +13

    "It had only been 10 years since Sally Ride became the first woman in space."
    {Valentina Tereshkova has entered the chat.}

  • @Byahn-Provelocity
    @Byahn-Provelocity 3 месяца назад +138

    It's Data, not data. One is his name, the other is not.

    • @ThePopcast
      @ThePopcast  3 месяца назад +19

      Yeah, we've made enough Star Trek videos for this NOT to be a problem, but it was a reading error that didn't get caught in editing. Thank you for pointing it out! Hope you enjoy the rest of the history ;)

    • @alexneff
      @alexneff 3 месяца назад +7

      ​@ThePopcast it was the only thing wrong with this ... very well done but I started screaming just like everyone else "Dayduh not Datuh"

    • @gregorybergman7452
      @gregorybergman7452 3 месяца назад +11

      I was enjoying the video up until that point, and the 1 word kinda threw me out of the groove.

    • @alexneff
      @alexneff 3 месяца назад +4

      @@gregorybergman7452 seriously

    • @FOJO27
      @FOJO27 3 месяца назад +8

      24:52 Oof - Dr Leah Brahams isn't "Lee", it's pronounced LEE-uh...
      Otherwise, good job on the history of Voyager. Learned a few things I didn't know. Live long and prosper🖖

  • @masyt2145
    @masyt2145 2 месяца назад +4

    Thank you for doing this. Someone else mentioned that Voyager is comfort trek and this retrospective hit all the right notes.

  • @theagrome4592
    @theagrome4592 3 месяца назад +26

    Sally Ride was not the first woman in space. Valentina Tereshkova was in 1963. Three years before TOS premiered.

    • @ccsnjf
      @ccsnjf 3 месяца назад +3

      In the USA the first American always counts as the first person 🙄

    • @josepha.r5839
      @josepha.r5839 3 месяца назад

      @@ccsnjf Perhaps the speaker didn't know that Tereshkova was first. So, it may not really be a situation as 'Americans count as the first person." I was 15 and remember it well. Valentina was a heroine and deserved the accolades. Still is. Best not to jump to conclusions.

    • @ccsnjf
      @ccsnjf 3 месяца назад +1

      @@josepha.r5839 I think you missed my irony :-) Didn't you know the world as many American's know it end at the borders of Texas :-)

  • @JRFrancisco20088
    @JRFrancisco20088 2 месяца назад +2

    Great show. Brings back memories of my younger days. Worked nights as a cook at a restaurant back in the late 1990s so had to set my VCR to record the show while at work. Would get home around 1 AM exhausted and smelling of food and grease. After a quick shower it was "Star Trek Voyager" time. Simple pleasure that took the edge of life for an hour or so. That and a couple of beers. Still have some of the VHS tapes in a cardboard box in my garage.

  • @cjplay2
    @cjplay2 Месяц назад +4

    Fantastic documentary. The episode, "The Raven" has a unique resonance for me as a foster parent. Knowing that Anika lost her parents to the Borg has some similarities to what these kids go through. They see their parents being taken away from them and someone else picking them up and taking them somewhere else. Ryan's range in that episode was incredible and the reactions of the young 7 actress was also quite memorable. So while Year of Hell and Fear are 2 that hang with me closely, The Raven will always be in my top 5.

  • @kencastleberry5126
    @kencastleberry5126 4 дня назад +1

    I had watched star trek in the 90s with my dad a little bit but it wasn't until my early 30s when I watched Voyager on Netflix that I fell in love with the series. Binged the whole series right away.

  • @AllanG1914
    @AllanG1914 3 месяца назад +28

    The finale was epic. That meme is so true: If your future self doesn't come back in time to tell you how bad you screwed up, how bad can your decisions really be. Lol

    • @josepha.r5839
      @josepha.r5839 3 месяца назад

      Many negatives about the ending .. 'Why now when you had chance/s before?' and so on. I also enjoyed the finale. I thought Admiral Janeway and Captain Janeway were great.

    • @ladkatta
      @ladkatta 3 месяца назад

      The finale was FAR from epic. The finale was lame.

  • @TheCaptainCrack
    @TheCaptainCrack Месяц назад +4

    With some of the choices that our beloved captain made.... Ive learned something: there is a right way, a wrong way, and the Janeway.

  • @anothacracka
    @anothacracka 2 месяца назад +2

    Well done! I grew up on this series, and it will forever shape my view of the world. You truly did it justice.

  • @naisengsaechao4878
    @naisengsaechao4878 3 месяца назад +4

    Living Witness with the Warship Voyager was one of my favorite episode. It was essentially the mirror mirror episode we never got for Voyager.

  • @guylambertuk
    @guylambertuk 2 месяца назад +1

    I absolutely LOVED this! During the Voyager era, I produced Star Trek specials for Sky One in the U.K. and have fond memories of all of these characters, episodes and adventures. After I left Sky, I continued to enjoy the show via VHS tapes released monthly. What a great time! Thank you for this journey

  • @KNETTWERX
    @KNETTWERX 3 месяца назад +7

    Never been a big Star Trek fan, however Voyager I did see the entire series while in Iraq, and loved it.

    • @kerry-j4m
      @kerry-j4m 3 месяца назад

      When were you in Iraq,amigo ??? And where were you at ??? I'm curious and interested.

    • @ThePopcast
      @ThePopcast  3 месяца назад

      Thank you for your service! Was there myself in Fallujah in 2008 for the PIC with IIMEF :)

  • @chopper5371
    @chopper5371 13 дней назад +1

    To ALL those responsible for this video: Thank you! You have answered a lot of questions I had about my favorite Star Trek series! Excellent work! 👍😁

    • @ThePopcast
      @ThePopcast  13 дней назад

      Glad we could help fill in the gaps!

  • @beardedgaming1337
    @beardedgaming1337 3 месяца назад +28

    im so glad picardo got the doctor. i cant imagine anyone else in that role. he has great wit and reading tempo for that dialog

    • @robirvine6970
      @robirvine6970 3 месяца назад +1

      This is such a dumb thing people always say. If it was ANYONE else you would be saying that about them.

    • @_PatrickO
      @_PatrickO 3 месяца назад

      @@robirvine6970 Andy Dick tried to be similar. Do you think he was as good as picardo?

    • @Tconl
      @Tconl 3 месяца назад

      @@robirvine6970 Not really. There's plenty of movies or series where a person/character is average and I could see others do the same job well or perhaps better. But sometimes people shine more then others. Or even have truly unforgettable roles, think of Ed O' Neil as Al Bundy. I wouldn't put Picardo that far just yet but I would find it hard to imagine other actors in his rol. But for roles like Chakotay I could see it.

    • @impacking
      @impacking 3 месяца назад

      Bob Picardo was typecast as the doctor after how well he performed on China Beach.

    • @achimdemus-holzhaeuser1233
      @achimdemus-holzhaeuser1233 Месяц назад

      And I love watching him wherever he appears.

  • @theboipoet
    @theboipoet 3 месяца назад +1

    This was extraordinary. Voyager has been one of my favorite Star Trek shows it used to be TNG and DS9 but Voyager has taken the number one spot for me. This documentary was eye-opening and well-laid out. The information collected to me was priceless and I am so fortunate to have run across it. The two hours seemed to fly by. WELL DONE.

  • @jeffmckinnon5842
    @jeffmckinnon5842 3 месяца назад +9

    I am not big on the animated series', but born in 63, Star Trek was always there. Dad watched every week, and I have never stopped. I have my favorites, Voyager being one of them, but I like everything about ST, and how it is always a comfort to watch, It paints a picture of a better world tomorrow.
    Sometimes a "story" is all we get, so I like them all.
    Great video!

  • @ChristopherCDaniels
    @ChristopherCDaniels Минуту назад

    I consider myself a Star Trek fan, but having only seen less than half the original series, and maybe 10% of TNG, the only show that ever really appealed to me was Voyager. I loved it start to finish, except the ending, which I wish had more "where are they now". What I liked most about it was the overall story about getting home, rather than the adventure-of-the week that TNG seemed to be.
    One of all time favorite quotes is from this show; Nelix talking to Chakotay about what causes love to spark or not.
    Kate Mulgrew and Captain Janeway will always be my captain.
    Thank you for such a great video.

  • @Alexander0601
    @Alexander0601 3 месяца назад +37

    55 years old and still going strong on Star Trek🌃

    • @4541studios
      @4541studios 3 месяца назад +3

      Me too! But I got ya beat...I'm 64

    • @Lordmij
      @Lordmij 3 месяца назад +2

      47 here

    • @ruhafla8326
      @ruhafla8326 3 месяца назад +2

      61 year old here. Been watching since Trek started in syndication in the 70's.

    • @PazLeBon
      @PazLeBon 3 месяца назад

      Bloody hell is there a prize where you dont have dementia or something here? lol

  • @EvilHandyman
    @EvilHandyman 3 месяца назад +9

    great vid! Im a life-long science fiction nut, but star trek never appealed to me in my teens and 20's, until many years ago, around age 30, before video was on the internet, i was stuck with basic cable and up late often, and it was all that was on. i admit, it was totally Jeri Ryan who lured me in, but all she did was lure me to the door. the show was great and i got insanely hooked. i love the episode ideas / writing the most, followed closely by the characters and actors. to me, Voyager is the best star trek. the acting and look of the show finally reached a standard i am impressed by, in my opinion. i then branched out into all other things star trek and would say TNG would be my second fav. First Contact sealed the deal, and I was officially a true trekky. all this video did was remind me of how much joy going through the entire Voyager series gave me, which ive done 5 or 6 times.... i think its time to do it again.

  • @haxan_3567
    @haxan_3567 3 месяца назад +2

    Voyager will always hold a special place in my heart. It was not best, nor my personal favorite Star Trek series, but it had it's own charm. The Doctor is still one of my favorite characters to this day.

  • @beardedgaming1337
    @beardedgaming1337 3 месяца назад +5

    "finding your big break" is such a common adage, we hear it all the time. but to see so many of these people, struggling in life, who we all know as solid performers on shows like this... its easy to not even lend a though to where they may have been before. now, years later, these people have not just acted but directed, produced, started in other shows, have lived two decades+ on the backs of a decision to read for a single role. perhaps off a chance meeting, a one moment lasting impression...

  • @Lorijenken
    @Lorijenken 2 месяца назад +4

    30 years ago and Voyager still holds me to this day. I never missed an episode I watched it like it was my religion and to this day its the one that holds that magic of exlporing and a journey.

  • @jozsefizsak
    @jozsefizsak 3 месяца назад +7

    The taste, intelligence and overall quality of this video is vastly beyond anything I expected. I saw these shows when they first aired and beloved I knew everything about them. It seems I was mistaken and enjoyed your insights very much.

  • @TK-867
    @TK-867 Месяц назад

    MARVELOUS work you did here. This was FANTASTIC. As a massive Voyager fan, you presented so many things that were new to me, and I saw several times the behind-the-scenes material of all the DVDs. So I know my stuff! Awesome job. Thank you very much!!!

  • @anthony0358
    @anthony0358 3 месяца назад +14

    Thank you seems like not strong enough words for how much joy this documentary brought me today ! You guys did a great job! Voyager is my 3rd favorite Trek after TNG and TOS! Congratulations on doing such a great job

  • @Foof0811
    @Foof0811 27 минут назад

    Voyager was my introduction to ST when I was about 10 yrs old.
    I tried and never was able to get into any other ST series.
    To this day I still go back and watch voyager
    My favourite single scene of the show is the Doctor and Seven singing "sunshine".

  • @HaramXL
    @HaramXL 3 месяца назад +7

    Thanks for this. The stars aligned perfectly for Voyager and Janeway

    • @Lauralou40290
      @Lauralou40290 Месяц назад +2

      They did. She is definitely the most realistic as a captain,

  • @mackenziemarceau1055
    @mackenziemarceau1055 6 дней назад

    This is a fantastic documentary. Thorough and sincere. I love all of the Star Trek franchise of course, but there will always be a special place in my heart for Voyager. I remember Jennifer Lien leaving the show disapointed me; I liked Kes. And although friction between stars is to be expected in Hollywood, I had no idea that there was some bad blood between Kate Mulgrew and Jeri Ryan. I'd have prefered they get along but to be honest, I believe that this tension between the 2 actresses probably contributed positively to many of the very best scenes of Star Trek: Voyager. Thank you very much for this great video!

  • @Tall_Order
    @Tall_Order 3 месяца назад +14

    I always enjoyed Chakotay's Parable about the fox and the scorpion. Then later I got the internet and discovered the original story was a FROG and a scorpion. I wonder why they changed it. Not that it matters. It's still a great story and lesson. Although you can't approach all situations the way the parable did.

    • @PazLeBon
      @PazLeBon 3 месяца назад +2

      in my schooling it was a chicken and a cat. i guess it just depends on the cultures association with animal relationships :) the moral was about trusting nobody! haha

    • @Tall_Order
      @Tall_Order 3 месяца назад +2

      @@PazLeBon Yeah. In the case of the borg the lesson made sense. But it doesn't always apply. lol

    • @PazLeBon
      @PazLeBon 3 месяца назад +1

      @@Tall_Order for sure ;)

    • @scockery
      @scockery 3 месяца назад +1

      @@PazLeBon Neither cats nor chickens swim...so I don't understand that version.

  • @scottbrantley483
    @scottbrantley483 Месяц назад +1

    Loved this show, I'll always remember it fondly. It was there for me at a rough time in my life, and I'll keep watching the DVD's until they disintegrate, at which point I'll buy new ones.

  • @viva2archive
    @viva2archive 3 месяца назад +7

    Good job differentiating between rumors and confirmed sources! This is where many production histories fall flat.

  • @mogeking56
    @mogeking56 2 месяца назад +6

    Star Trek Voyager was good. It was comfortable. That’s why I keep going back to it not scary and gory. It was comfortable to watch.

  • @MrApostolis78
    @MrApostolis78 2 месяца назад +3

    Holy smokes the more you live the more you learn. My now 90 yo father was always calling speedboats "ChrisCraft" in a heavy Greek accent and I never knew why. I do now!

  • @theclydesdalerider
    @theclydesdalerider 7 дней назад +1

    Excellent excellent video!! Long time star trek fan here and I watched the entire video thank you much for putting this together!

  • @GoggyL29
    @GoggyL29 3 месяца назад +101

    Mulgrew taking responsibility for treating Ryan like shit is amazing to see. More people need to do that

    • @mc.girlsthatlgirls
      @mc.girlsthatlgirls 3 месяца назад

      hahahaha and how did she actually fix all the hours of stress and lost cash. shes just another pathetic dried our whor jealous of a fresher, hotter chick that did nothing to actually fix the damage she did

    • @Lauralou40290
      @Lauralou40290 Месяц назад +5

      If you read her books she's a very philosophical/accountable person. Even when she's talking about relationships with mildly abusive men she never blames them but examines her own reaction ans feelings. She's definitely a "firey" person and possibly a bit much for many people but she is refreshingly free of BS.

    • @marvymarier8988
      @marvymarier8988 Месяц назад +5

      I don't blame her, Mulgrew had every right to be pissed.

    • @Beegeezy144
      @Beegeezy144 29 дней назад +4

      The part when she asked if the boss was in love, and she just leveled with him and said that she's happy for him, that was really classy.

    • @markosolo
      @markosolo 8 дней назад +1

      I would like to take responsibility too, however I haven't had the chance to treat her like shit yet.

  • @Uncle_Fred
    @Uncle_Fred 3 месяца назад +3

    I've always felt that Star Trek Voyager was filmed as the comfort Trek. At the same time, it had the seeds for something much deeper. The Two Part Year in Hell showed us a Voyager with its premise fully realised: a ship on the run, no space dock for repair, and a crew desperately fighting for their survival. It's the show we could have got, but didn't.
    Despite never completely living up to its premise, Voyager has some of the best Trek in the entire franchise like Blink of an Eye, Timeless, Living Witness, Scorpion, Year of Hell, Equinox, and Endgame.

    • @bonghunezhou5051
      @bonghunezhou5051 3 месяца назад

      ...also The Fight, Threshold, Real Life...😑

  • @KrysUnplugged
    @KrysUnplugged 3 месяца назад +4

    I really can't choose a favorite between DS9 and VOY, but Voyager was the series that initially brought me into the trek fandom fully. I enjoyed TNG when it was airing, and would watch it if I caught an episode while it was on, but it wasn't must watch for me... I initially ignored DS9 all together, it just wasn't on my radar. It was when I caught the rerun of Voyager's pilot episode, the week before season 2 premeired, that I got truly hooked. Something about being "lost in space" hooked me. Season 2 of Voyager was when I became a regular viewer. Since I was watching that, I also started watching DS9, especially since Worf had just joined that show who I of course knew from my familiarity with TNG. From there I played catch up, grabbing every rerun of any show from any series, programming my VCR to tape all the episodes on various channels. Pre DVR days with cable channels and a vcr. Burned through tons of VHS tapes. I bought the action figures, books, the works. All because of how much I liked the premier episode, "Caretaker". 23 million, you say, eh?

  • @Dreadwolf-g5d
    @Dreadwolf-g5d 3 месяца назад +4

    This documentary should be aired on TV tbh. Really enjoyed it

  • @ladwigs
    @ladwigs 3 месяца назад +8

    While rescuing the Borg kids, they also had a baby, that was never talked about again
    Voyager was the only series, in Trek history, to not have a mirror universe

    • @notanactualuser
      @notanactualuser 3 месяца назад

      TNG doesn't have a mirror universe episode?
      Voyager at least has the episode with all the misinformed historic scenes which is mirror universe like.

    • @erichanastacio9695
      @erichanastacio9695 4 дня назад

      Voyager has a FALSE mirror universe version.
      Part of Voyager has crash landed somewhere and becomes a relic museum and was taught that Voyager was a warship, and it's crew were either pirates or mercenaries.
      Until a copy of the EMH program was activated and showed them the truth.

  • @chimericalical
    @chimericalical 2 месяца назад +4

    Tuvac saying “we ain’t found shit” while picking the dessert is absolutely hilarious

  • @pianobypc1031
    @pianobypc1031 Месяц назад +3

    Voyager was a BEAUTIFUL ride. A rock n roll roller coaster of TEARS and CHEERS that had moments of the best TREK EVER (that would put Discovery to shame). I can watch it OVER and OVER, YEAR after YEAR (with Discovery its hard to get halfway thru an episode before turning it off. Not even Strange New Worlds can entertain me the way Voyager can. Voyager had the MESSAGES of Progressive Trek without punishing its oldest fans. My favorite episodes are MANY, and I LOVE the series finale. Voyager will always stir my heart (let's stop there before more are offended).

    • @kerry-j4m
      @kerry-j4m Месяц назад

      SNWs is no way near the quality of writing and interesting characters of TNG,DS9 and Voyager,I consider this the PRIME time of trek tv series when these trek shows were on.And we'll never have a run of GREAT trek series like these former shows ever again.

  • @viewlesscheese
    @viewlesscheese Месяц назад +2

    I'll say this until I die...Voyager severely underrated.

  • @cyradus
    @cyradus 3 месяца назад +10

    Tuvok was my favorite character in all of Star Trek. I feel like he captured the essence of what a Vulcan would truly be like more than any other actor has to this point.

    • @UnkownSoldier100
      @UnkownSoldier100 Месяц назад

      Uh… Leonard Nimoy exists, so no.

    • @catatonickuala
      @catatonickuala Месяц назад +1

      @@UnkownSoldier100 Spock was only half-Vulcan.

    • @UnkownSoldier100
      @UnkownSoldier100 Месяц назад

      @@catatonickuala Irrelevant. Don’t know why you brought that up.

    • @catatonickuala
      @catatonickuala Месяц назад +4

      @@UnkownSoldier100 He couldn't very well capture the essence of what a Vulcan would truly be like, when the whole point of his character was that he wasn't entirely Vulcan. To put it another way would you look at Torres in Voyager and say she captured the essence of what a Klingon would truly be like?

  • @drjdsjr
    @drjdsjr Месяц назад +2

    It simply had the best writing, hands down.

  • @DanielBrainbox
    @DanielBrainbox 3 месяца назад +16

    Thank you for this video :)
    Voyager was a great show, and I love it to this day. I've seen it countless times. TNG is great too, and DS9 is probably my favorite Trek show. Enterprise was also fantastic, but I really enjoyed TOS as well since I grew up with it. So in general, I’d say I love them all equally strongly.
    The classic Star Trek series, from TOS, TNG, DS9, and VOY to ENT, are so strong that, in my opinion, they should be displayed as artworks in the Louvre. They are rich in great stories, dramas, and character development, unlike anything we have seen since. Those were truly golden times.

    • @oddish4352
      @oddish4352 3 месяца назад +3

      DS9 was a standout in terms of quality decision making. Every character was interesting, even minor ones. Sisko's journey of development was incredible. Nog, a minor character, grew incredibly as well. And even small details that matter to Trekkies were covered... for instance, every character ranked up appropriately. Commander to captain, major to colonel, lieutenant to LCDR. Only Worf wasn't promoted, because he wasn't due.
      Voyager had the same potential as DS9 in terms of premise and cast, but it had showrunners who danced on the reset button, impeded character development, and thought 7 years as an ensign made perfect sense.

  • @phillipleavenworth
    @phillipleavenworth 18 дней назад

    Voyager is my favorite Star Trek series. Possibly due to it being the first series I was able to see airing live. Captain Janeway is also my favorite starship captain. This was a treat! 🖖

  • @expertizer
    @expertizer 3 месяца назад +15

    21:30 First AMERICAN woman, the first woman in space having flown a solo mission was Valentina Vladimirovna Tereshkova in June 9 1963 in a Vostok 6 rocket.

    • @ThePopcast
      @ThePopcast  3 месяца назад +2

      well said!

    • @expertizer
      @expertizer 3 месяца назад +3

      @@ThePopcast i didn't realize that the US social development and society was like 40 years behind the sowiet union at that time...on the other hand it's obvious where Gene drew his inspiration from, but bringing a comunist utopia on screen in the early sixties was quite a move to do...

    • @PazLeBon
      @PazLeBon 3 месяца назад

      @@expertizer indeed

    • @CoffeeBlack-VOY
      @CoffeeBlack-VOY 3 месяца назад

      Fun fact, one of Voyager's shuttles is named the Terashkova in her honor ❤

    • @xBINARYGODx
      @xBINARYGODx 3 месяца назад +1

      @@expertizer it wasn't, women could, but really, most of the people doing the stuff you would assume were being done by men were being done by men - it was more a PR stunt than a social movement.

  • @aw3752
    @aw3752 Месяц назад +1

    That they didn’t give Voyager a proper welcome home final episode is unforgivable. What a dis to such a wonderful cast of actors who deserved a measure of resolution to their characters receiving the honor and praise of Starfleet. We should have seen a ticker-tape parade for them or the Federations highest medal ceremony. But what did we get? Nothing.

  • @juanitajones6900
    @juanitajones6900 3 месяца назад +6

    The moment I finished watching the last episode of "Voyager", I went into my bathroom and cried for about 15 minutes. I miss it that much. And thank you for posting it.

  • @highvoltage3000
    @highvoltage3000 25 дней назад

    The 37's was an *excellent* first episode for the 2nd season. It's one of the few episodes of Star Trek where they explain what the series is about, what Star Trek is about, what the Federation is about, what life on planet Earth is like 300 years in the future... It's an excellent introduction to both Voyager and to Star Trek in general, I'm surprised that some didn't like it back then since something like this would really help an opening of many Star Trek seasons.

  • @NOTMYWATCH
    @NOTMYWATCH 3 месяца назад +28

    ahhhhh, finally.....thanks you guys!!!!

  • @spaceopera87
    @spaceopera87 3 месяца назад +2

    This is a SUPER great format. Apply it to literally everything!

  • @drewd2
    @drewd2 3 месяца назад +9

    This is what I've been waiting for! Hell yeah! Excellent job! I learned a lot about what was going on in the background and why 7 of 9 was brought on. I usually just watch the shows for the canon/story, but it's cool to hear about about all of the casting and politics behind the scenes. Your Definitive History series never disappoints.

  • @AdamVillemaire
    @AdamVillemaire День назад

    I'VE SEEN THE WHOLE VOYAGER SEASONS 11 TIMES ...in English & French my tongue
    BEST STAR TREK OF THEM ALL .
    New things ...interesting ...deep...funny ...scary ...scientific ...credible
    AND WHAT A CAST .... WOOOW
    I WILL NEVER FORGET STAR TREK VOYAGER .....maybe I'll see it all again a 12th time .....
    THX TO THE CREATORS...PRODUCTION ...
    EVERYONE ....
    I AM FAN FOR LIFE & many many of my friends

  • @The1RandomFool
    @The1RandomFool 3 месяца назад +8

    Kate Mulgrew was perfect for the role of captain. And honestly, I liked her hair more when it was down.

  • @aldunlop4622
    @aldunlop4622 2 месяца назад +2

    Voyager actually got me back into Trek in about 1998. I grew up watching Original Series reruns on Saturday afternoons when I was a kid in the 70s, and I loved Kirk, Spock and McCoy. TNG came out when I was about 25 and I hated it. Who was this old bald guy? Why does never leave the ship? Who's this robot pretending to be Spock? Those sorts of questions. I guess I was just a rusted on Original Trio fan. None of the new cast connected with me except maybe Geordie and Tasha, and she ended up dying. I hated Work, he looked ridiculous, and not a scary Klingon. Fast forward to 98 and I was out at a nightclub with some friends, and we went back some friends house to keep the party going. I was in the kitchen chatting, then wandered into the living room and they were watching something on TV. It was the Season 3 finale Scorpion from Voyager. I was hooked, although I thought the captain was a bit of a b^&*h to Chakotay when he was trying to get her to see sense. I later learned to love Janeway though. After that, me and another friend at the party spent weeks watching the show from the start and some of TNG (which I still didn't like). I still think Scorpion 1&2 and The Gift together are some of the best Star Trek. Jeri Ryan's acting was phenomenal when she breaks down and wants to go back to The Borg. Since that night I've been a massive Star Trek fan, although I hate everything Alex Kurtzman has done.

  • @ThorPalsson
    @ThorPalsson 3 месяца назад +5

    Delightful watch
    Very polished Doc

  • @deborahlear6711
    @deborahlear6711 Месяц назад

    each and every character held equal importance, i loved them all and sat at the edge of my seat every episode waiting to see what came next.

  • @Thekowaikaiju
    @Thekowaikaiju 3 месяца назад +19

    Glad that Voyager is finally getting the love it has so always deserved. Sillyness in all. I mean, c'mon... Robert Picardo!

    • @oddish4352
      @oddish4352 3 месяца назад

      It was a stellar premise in a stellar franchise, with a stellar cast... and showrunners who didn't have a clue.