Re:View - Star Trek The Next Generation Season One
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- Опубликовано: 11 окт 2024
- Mike and Rich sit down to talk about their top picks from TNG season One. When Rich can only come up with one and a half episodes and Mike is drunk and off his brain meds - it turns into an hour and 20 minute long ramble about Season One in general. Hear their confused and rambling thoughts on a 26 ish episodes of pure cringe.
Fuck what the Internet wants, I want the Mike and Rich weekly TNG podcast.
I would literally contribute to a Patreon or whatever solely to get an RLM trek podcast.
@@SaykredCow I'll pay double if Jay is forced to participate against his will
Says the guy....on the internet....🤦♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦
damn right
RLM should never ever ever have their own podcast. Except of course for Nerd Crew
"okay let's just do the entire series"
i think they broke and are going to do and episode on every season
@@drbqqq1433 same here
@@drbqqq1433 That’s right. Go badgers!
@@drbqqq1433 new content is weird and scary to me! I want new takes on old content! Comforting, familiar media as discussed by chunky, pale midwesterners; like looking into my own mirror. New things will bring me no joy! All can be as it was! All *must* be as it was! Re:view the pain away. Re:view the pain away.
A+++ please continue other seasons as well
@@holidayfish hopefully they cover the other Berman-era shows too.
I imagine Mike and Rich, aged 80. It's been over a quarter of a century since they stopped making RUclips videos. Mike calls Rich. He just wants to get together to talk about Star Trek for a few hours. That's just how he wants to spend his days. He made some notes.
I wonder if rich has ever played mtg, my bet is definitely.
I expect to see a crossover episode when the MTG Netflix series drops. Due to you commenting on another RUclipsr's video you now are legally obligated to do it. (/s love you prof)
"Rich died 15 years ago, stop calling us!"
It’s just like my Prof Headcanon, where he is explaining to a young child just getting into Magic the Gathering, that back in his day, Island was a properly balanced card and it that didn’t need banning.
@@bardicben Doubtful. He hates multiplayer video games, why would he like multiplayer card games?
Dear Rich and Mike, it's been almost a year and we're eagerly awaiting your TNG S2 Re:View.
ITS NEVER COMIN G!~
@@oo4125 Why????? But I want it!!!! better than talking about that trash Picard...
@@c3cil89 it hurts mike too much to talk about TNG, his liver integrity is down to 12%!
Can we get a DS9 chant going
@@adamkerr8003 fvck ds9
These men are living the dream. Every nerd in history wishes they could have lengthy in depth discussions about Star Trek and have people actually care about their opinions. And these hack frauds have done it. I hate them.
oh
Love/Hate
Nerds have been doing that on Internet forums for decades. The dream part is making money doing it.
Mike sips on your tears from a funko jabba the hut mug
@Samar3n ??? Is he winning or losing? ;-)
"You won't be needing *THIS* anymore!"
*[rips inhaler from the hands of asthmatic paralytic, and pushes their wheelchair off a cliff]*
- Rick Berman, so I've heard
It's okay, a McDonald's-loving, finger-giving, Coke-stealing alien revived the kid.
Conan O'Brien: I heard you have a clip from your latest movie, you want to show it to us?
Paul Rudd:
@@CarrotConsumer so is it Jay wearing Rich’s skin in this video? If so, he’d have to have learned a lot about TNG since the last time Mike brought it up
These kind of jokes aren't funny, it was actually a dying cancer patient and he said that after ripping out their oxygen
@Indigo Gaming So these are the scumbag videos you're watching instead of doing more 5 hour podcast episodes!
I could watch them talk about the whole series like this every week
I don't even like star trekk...
Luckily, they're better at RUclips than you are lol
Mike and Rich Star Trek Podcast would KICK ASS
Hopefully this is a part one of seven where they talk about the best episodes from each season.
Cool
Talking about Worf becoming a character, Michael Dorn deserves a TON of respect for portraying Worf.
Michael Dorn is acting on two levels the entire time, the character is very serious and stern, but the majority of the character is played for comedy, and there's never a wink-wink moment from him. If you just look at it seems very simple but, analyzing it, it's kind of amazing.
Not only that, but Actors marketability comes from two major factors, their acting ability (which like I said, is pretty top-notch), and their looks. Michael Dorn is a very handsome man, but he's covered in make-up, given gross fake teeth, and looks nothing like himself.
That takes some big ol' acting balls to play a joke character that looks like a monster.
Michael Dorn gives me a fat
How dare you call Worf a monster.
Fistful of Datas ftw.
while i agree that there is a lot of understated humor in worf, that needs a skilled actor like michael dorn to properly pull off, he´s far from a joke character. i mean not unless you would cound data as a joke character too.
@@symmetrie_bruch was mostly a joke. Worf is a very good character, overall. The Klingon politic stuff is kind of "meh" in my opinion, but once Alexander becomes a regular on the show, Worf gets an amazing amount of depth.
Being a single father struggling to connect with his kid, wanting to share his culture when Alexander shows no real interest. (until much later, anyway) gives him a very meaningful and relatable position.
in contrast: DS9, Worf never _really_ reaches that spot again, for me anyway. He's still likeable, of course. Just seems more like a supporting character for Jadzia.
Mike's 10 year plan to be able to talk about Star Trek as a job has finally come to fruition
40 years at least...
@@johnblack8655 phase 1 complete
IT TOOK 12 YEARS TO MAKE
@@MrFaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa IT BROKE NEW GROUND
Trekyards, lets not forget the crew of the Execeter
I didn't know you guys like Star Trek.
Has Mike ever brought up Star Trek before?
@@yesthenyes6727 i dont think so
Why did I laugh at this for ten minutes.
@@qlu6523 and they love love LOVE Star Trek: Picard.
Funniest comment hands down
RLM normally: "oh yeah spoilers or something, fuck it no one actually cares"
RLM on Star Trek TNG season1: "woah woah woah, these are spoilers. I think it may hit better if you don't know the twist. Here's the time code guys"
Well when they normally watch garbage, good things shouldn’t be spoiled.
Hey best of the worst is awesome!
Haha I took the advice, watched the ep, and appreciated all the more!
I love how Rich is almost Mike's equal when it comes to remembering every second of Star Trek footage ever aired. Gives Mike some well needed moments of clarity between the bouts of alcoholism.
I think you have that backwards.
Rich forces upon him Moments of clarity.. between well-needed bouts of alcoholism
I'd say the difference is that Mike has a lot of knowledge at the ready at any time, while Rich recognizes almost anything Mike mentions. Tiny difference and it might not be entirely accurate, but that's what it seems like to me.
It's great listening to the back and forth, because between them, they can pretty much remember every detail from every episode. It's like two AIs hooked up to Memory Alpha having a chat lol.
What nuances one doesn't catch, the other often does too. Like the Symbiosis discussion. Rich is right that it's more of a parasitic relationship than symbiotic, but parasites don't ideally want to kill their host. That's usually an invasive species. If tapeworms killed a cow, it would be like burning down its own home lol. I can't hold that against them though.
There's something ironic about Gene Rodenberry going "All the people on the ship get along, dammit! They all work together or I'll fucking fire you."
Comes from him being navy. Close quarters and your lives depend on each other. You kind of have to get along.
@@johnv6806 Makes sense. There's some TED talks by Sebastian Junger, a wartime reporter, about why soldiers have such a hard time re-adjusting to civilian life. Basically, they go from a tight-knit group of people working towards the same goal and literally fighting to keep each other alive, to a low-risk environment where leadership is non-existent, nobody really cares about anybody else and their "goals" are usually meaningless.
@@somercet1 oh, no shit? I always heard he was navy. Appreciate the clarification.
@@white-dragon4424 what's your evidence he hated Patrick Stewart? Roddenberry personally cast most of the people on next gen from my understanding.
@@johnv6806 I think he means Roddenberry's initial reaction to Stewart. He was looking for another Kirk, it was Bob Justman who found Stewart and brought him in to meet Roddenberry. Gene just immediately said no and was dead set against him. But as they got more and more desperate as they couldn't find the captain, Justman and others kept pushing for Stewart. Gene was eventually won over and agreed Stewart was the right choice.
Gene Roddenberry's attitude towards sex was "yes please"
My sides are in geosynchronous orbit
I'm stealing that last line, thank you
The rod 'n' berries in those jeans...
Just like Gene's ashes
Woo first time ever for me reading a comment as it’s being said.
Fun fact: Nichelle Nichols got the role of Uhura because Gene was fucking her at the time. A true role model of Harvey Weinstein.
Is it possible to have a "Jay dying on the inside" cam?
I just like to think they're making Jay record this as a big tease.
@@gregh378 or once they start talking about season 2, jay is in the middle instead of the poster
Very much needed
I want an episode of them talking about Star Trek but it says "Edited by Jay Bauman" at the beginning and he cuts out everything he finds boring :-D
@@LokNarash hahaha the episode would be like 12 minutes
"That's absurd!"
"You did not think so when it worked in you favor" is Picard eloquence right there.
I hope they made Jay edit it so he learns through osmosis.
Jay would probably have passed out from his "I don't give a shit. Kill me now" feelings.
Edited by Mike Stoklasa
I honestly don't think they could pay him enough to sit through those season eps to find the clips to edit in. At least not without groaning like a beached manatee the entire time
Jay doesn't have that encyclopedic knowledge of star trek clips though. the editing process would be horribly long
He helped set up the camera and the set then said "BYYEEEEEEEEEE....."
Eventually, the Red Letter Media analysis of Star Trek: The Next Generation will have a longer runtime than TNG and the four movies combined. This is truly the best timeline.
It's great that RLM are smarter than you and have a good channel instead of a stupid Star Trek podcast like you want
Or one of the brighter spots in the worst.
@@MegaZeta please chill
@@patsfan4life hahahahahaha
"It was a show that was made in the late 80s with scripts that were written in the 60s for the original show by writers who grew up in the 30s."
Very accurate of the first season!
@@Scripture-Man commented by a guy with an Israeli flag... The irony is laughable
@@Scripture-Man Good point, respect to you
@Tim I've never heard anyone say men and women are identical, just equal. There is PLENTY of media that doesn't have the "woke" content that triggers you. Just don't watch the woke stuff. I swear people like you are so soft.
Yeah, that's really all that needs to be said about it. This trend going on now, of analyzing and judging the morality of past generations and specific people by current social norms doesn't serve much purpose. I mean, sure, you can make note of that past behavior, use it as a guidepost to how things were then and how you'd like to improve on things now, but I cringe when people start to get self-righteous about it all. If you know enough history, then you know that things that are "out" with one generation might very well be "in" again a generation or two or three up the road, and vice-versa, and no doubt future generations will look back on people living now and find them wanting in many ways, and maybe even a little ridiculous in some ways.
@@Scripture-Man On the other side of the coin, it's not nice to be treated as an object rather than a human being. It's absolutely wrong to dehumanize other people and make them feel uncomfortable and self-conscious. Most people who have developed a sense of empathy understand this. You can find someone attractive without making them feel like shit to make yourself feel better.
When you were talking about Symbiosis being Denise Crosby's last episode filmed, you missed mentioning the nice moment near the end of the episode where she breaks character and waves goodbye at the camera. Picard (and I think Crusher) are walking down the corridor away from the cargo bay and just before the cargo bay doors shut in the background you can see Denise leaning into the gap and waving.
I just checked out the episode, thats so sweet !
Cheers for sharing
wow, ruining immersion for personal ego
@@noises4978 shush
@@lightsonno1home311 you shush
@@noises4978 *slow clap* well done. You got me.
'"Why, hello my friend, Rich Evans."
"Hi MIke."
lol they perfectly summed up their entire relationship in the first 5 seconds
PLEASE do this for every season. It was so enjoyable.
Wicked pfp 🤘🤘🤘
I really hope they do
Ok larks fan
Yes
I’ll give Rich a Blumpkin live
"this is the thing the internet wants us to talk about the least"
FUCK the internet, keep talking, this is gold
It's sarcasm
We love the self torture!
KEEP POURING YOU IDIOT!
Way better than the new shows anyway
I know Mike was just joking but in reality the TNG actors didn't even have craft service food in season 1. In the documentary Chaos on the Bridge Denise Crosby said she would sneak over to the Cheers set to grab lunch because they had actual food. The most the TNG set had was sliced tomatoes and Cremora. The cast also mentioned they were put in old trailers leftover from the 50's and 60's which had no bathrooms or air conditioning.
interesting point!
Please never stop doing these Star Trek: TNG Re:Views. Well...I mean I spose after you've covered it all then, maybe stop then. But I'd happily watch you guys go through each season, even with any redundancy that may pop up.
And then there is DS9 and Voyager
Hell these guys could talk about TNG again and I'd watch it happily.
@@pineapplethief4418 And the Original Series!!
Oh shit, it’s GassyMexican. Looking foreword to the DS9 Star Trek Saturdays!
Seconded!
Mike: This is the thing the internet wants us to talk about the least.
The Internet: Shut up and only talk about TNG, old man.
Right it is so weird. Their Star Trek videos don't get the views of other topics, but the comment section and like/dislike numbers are always really good.
I fully agree.
@@spiderdog07 Skimming over the videos of the last half year I'm not so sure about that. They don't seem to be the top content in regards of views, but I'd say rather on the top end of midfield.
Unironically, if they just did nothing but star trek videos for the rest of ever, i would be so hapoy
I love how Mike and Rich got so tired of the current shlock, that they just said “fuck it” and started reviewing old Star Trek.
You watch so many pointless explosions and hear so many pointless F-bombs that you wonder why do you want to get invested in such a depressing universe that you'd rather go back when... things felt hopeful.
And who can blame them?
Season 1 felt really preachy and made the Federation holier than thou. I really liked when they toned that down going forward, as it still managed to keep the "future utopia" feel, yet brought some aspects of human nature back, showing that "yes, even though all this progress was made, humans are still fundamentally human."
Mike "this is the thing the internet wants us to talk about the least"
The Internet "WRONG!!!"
....no
Please do this for every season of each show.
I second, third and fourth this.
yes!
I'm a big Star Trek fan and so I can't wait for them to review season 11. My favourite episode is 'Uri Gellar bent my cucumber'.
I'm more and more convinced that this is what they're gonna do, eventually. Sure it could take like,... another decade? But hey, I'm a patient man.
especially for the most-awaited Discovery Season 3 :)
"This is the thing internet wants us to talk about the least"
Is there some other internet I don't know about?
41:50 The guy coming in from the past knew how to handle liars, swindlers, bad-faith negotiations and getting pumped for information. The reformed modern man had forgotten that. They're establishing how our moving on past our bad traits can leave us vulnerable to those who haven't. I liked the episode.
they fix that particular vulnerability by later allowing ferengi to join. Nog would've gotten the same read on the situation.
it also seems by DS9 that enough federation people had dealings with Romulans that they started to recognize how to handle them. section 31 manipulated the romulan senate (with insider help).
I don't think this holds water. It's not like Starfleet has forgotten that people lie. They run into people who lie all the time. Besides their obvious geopolitical rivals, there's just smaller planets and countries that still deceive and exploit on exactly the same scale Earth states did. Sorting through that is Picard's entire job. It's like a crypto grifter telling an ambassador to the UN with 20 years of experience that the emissary from the unstable junta "might be lying about the missing uranium," and the ambassador taking that as some insightful revelation.
Alternatively, it's like saying you need to regularly get shot in the chest to shoot well, patch up a wound, or understand ballistics. Like... no, you don't
Seeing this title pop up just made my day! Love you guys!
They're the only hack frauds we can trust to bring us joy.
Made my week
Didn't expect to see you here 😳love your channel
Amen! I'm excited!
@@baylissprojects Well, I've been watching TNG since the mid nineties and RLM since at least 2016 :D
In ten days, two thirds of a million people have watched two middle-aged dudes talk at length about just the *first season* of TNG. Meanwhile the execs at CBS are like "oh we need *new* and *different* to sell new trek!"
Virgin Hollywood producers vs Chad Milwaukee hack frauds
Shut up 🤫
New and different might be fine. They went Kurtzman.
@@mightyasterisk8333 I can't wait until they blow Kurtzman out the goddamn airlock.
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These two nerds talking passionately about this show have given me so many hours of enjoyment. Truly the best film critic channel out there. Possibly the best youtube channel. 🙏🏽🥲
Yeah, and it would completely suck if it was just them talking about Star Trek
It took Ten years to make!!! So Far.
Ironically RLM is also good ASMR.
@@MegaZeta I could not disagree more. All their Star Trek content is golden. I would pay to have a few videos by RLM dedicated to each season of Star Trek and each movie across all series.
It's so much fun, my favorite review show talking for hours about my favorite TV show. What could be better?
Please…please keep making these. You two chatting about TNG is just Gold.
“I fully admit I did this for my own sick pleasure” should be the name of this channel
These chats between Mike and Rich about "old" Star Trek are just so damned comforting. Perfect pandemic watching.
All this tng stuff reminds me of watching to after school when I was a kid
There are a lot of disease episodes.
Deanna Troi, when she's really needed she's mysteriously absent, and when she's present she's either a f'kng liability, or gets upstaged by the barmaid.
I'm sensing considerable irritation.
"Deanna, Get us out of orbit!" I mean straight down at the planet is technically "out of orbit".
It's like stories with magic and such, yet anything magical is useless for 90% of the issues.
@@kinagrill The Wheel of Time is a good series for "logical" magic. By the end, a character is using two way portals put in the sky over a battle to command the battle almost like a real time strategy game. The same character also has a fascination with fireworks in the first book, kind of like some Hobbits you might know. By the end he has cannons, which they use by placing them in a completely sealed underground cave area and use portals to shoot out, vent smoke, and get air.
The TV show is currently filming season one.
@Descriptor I look at it this way. There are tons of other situations where Deanna is there and resolves it in seconds, but those are not the the "episodes" we see.
"Why would anyone get addicted to a chemical?"
Tosha turns around: "Sounds like something a narc would say!"
This reminds me of that episode of _Star Trek: The Next Generation_ where they accidentally create Professor Moriarty
And it's the butler from The Nanny.
Maybe they'll mention it when they get to Season 2.
dude that shit is MULTIPLE episodes
Moriarty got to command the USS Enterprise in The Hunt for Red October. He also dropped his fake English accent for that movie, presumably because Dr. Crusher needed to use it.
Please talk about every season
@DetourGaming yes
Both of you do more videos.... big fan of both this and your channel
you dont need to ask....
@@thegingerwon2795 yes
Mike will not stop reviewing Star Trek until Shatner subscribes to his podcast.
I just realized that this podcast features movie superstar Rich Evans! He’s so humble, never drawing attention to himself. Such a role model.
Mike: "This is the thing the internet wants us to talk about the least."
Me: Scrolls down to see a quarter million views.
*in the first 2 hours
Lol
"Rich, I need you to come in tomorrow, we're going to talk about ST:NG."
"Oh boy! Finally, some good Star Trek again!"
"No, actually, we're talking season 1."
"OH MY GAWWWWWWWWD"
It's funny how Gene's insistence on how the characters should be portrayed on screen is completely the opposite of how he treated his staff off screen.
I highly recommend the documentary "Chaos on the Bridge" if you want to see the absolute shitshow that was going on behind the scenes.
@@cactusmalone We know it can never be, mate. That's why it's so compelling to me.
But... diplomacy!
@@garbagefreak Second.
@@cactusmalone lmao saying all this with the joker pfp too ohmygod the edge
its over a year later, we need season 2
2 years later
I’d like to see more about that rape planet.
3 years
"The D is so much larger." Rich Evans, scared yet intrigued.
If you want to skip the SYMBIOSIS part, the timestamp is 36:24, not 37:24.
I blame Jay.
Who edited this, Rich Evans?
@@ElArto95 probably Josh, cause he sucks at everything.
@@alexn8756 lol
I'm pretty sure this _is_ exactly what the internet wanted.
Mike: dont ask for us to do this for season two.
Also mike 10 minutes earlier: so im almost done going through season two
Its precisely what I needed...
please do more of this....you're opening up an entire generation to TNG! I had zero interest in the series before I started watching these videos. Now i'm in season 4!
Absolutely, I never would have watched this show without all their star trek talk. And now Ive watched all 7 seasons (give or take a bunch of terrible episodes in the first and latter two seasons)
awesome
RedLetterMedia Upcoming Release Schedule:
ST:TNG - Season One Worst Episodes
ST:TNG - Season Two Best Episodes
ST:TNG - Season Two Worst Episodes
ST:TNG - Season Three Best Episodes
ST:TNG - Season Three Worst Episodes
ST:TNG - Season Four Best Episodes
ST:TNG - Season Four Worst Episodes
re:View - Jay hosts a review of Werner Herzog's filmography.
ST:TNG - Season Five Best Episodes
ST:TNG - Season Five Worst Episodes
ST:TNG - Season Six Best Episodes
ST:TNG - Season Six Worst Episodes
ST:TNG - Season Seven Best Episodes
ST:TNG Season Seven Worst Episodes
*Rubs hands together with a smile* I can't wait!
I think the ballence is good. Might be to much Herzog? :-)
Could do STD best episodes ... but there are none.
Easy to do worst STD episodes ... It will be all of them.
Sign me up
Why wouldn't they review season 8?
Inject this straight into my veins. Season two next please, except it's literally just an hour of you both trying to reason out why they thought that Shades of Grey was a good idea as the season finale episode.
There was a writers strike.
Wait, Shades of Grey was the season finale? Jesus. What a sour note to go out on.
I agree that wasn’t a great episode, but that was your typical season finale in the 1980’s.
The Writer's Guild strike of 1988 affected the season finales of TNG Seasons 1 and 2. "The Neutral Zone" was rushed and unfinished, and "Shades of Grey" was a clip show. It's also the reason why Season 2 was cut short, with only 22 episodes instead of the usual 26.
I read somewhere that episode took only 3 days to shoot. I remember clip shows being quite a common thing back then.
I think Mike Stoklasa started the pandemic just as an excuse to close theaters and talk about Star Trek.
"Finally, there's enough time!"
diabolical
Oh my Goooooood!
Seems like he destroyed a lot of other things in his wake, hope he thinks it was worth it.
@@jorgamund07 But there was enough time for Rich Evans to find new diabetes medicine?
And yet compared to Discovery and Picard, TNG Season One comes off like pure wall-to-wall genius.
Because it’s not a sad broody drama piece showing how shitty humans are, which isn’t what trek should be at all, trek has always been about how good humanity can be if we move past the barriers we’re facing now, Picard and discovery took that concept and threw it out of the window
This stuff is considered the bottom of the barrel of good Star Trek. Really contextualizes their perspectives on Discovery, Picard, and so on
They are all terrible in different ways. The first season of TNG feels extremely awkward like no one knew what they were doing, there was no communication between everyone, and all the scripts and sets were half complete. There are tons of strange special effect screw ups like every other episode the Enterprise vanishes too early as it warps away and forgetting the flash effect, or two ships in the same scene moving at completely different frame rates so one feels like it was shot on film and the other on video. It's a genuine miracle that TNG was not canned half-way through the first season but the studio was humble enough to realize they screwed up big time.
Season 1 has as much good episodes as Season 7. Granted there's nothing like "Pegasus" or "Preemptive Strike", but all the ones mentioned here plus "Coming of Age" are damn fine episodes. Difference being that the bad episodes of Season 7 are soap-opera sentimental bullshiet, instead of awkward and crazy.
"If I could correct you, a parasite usually kills the host." -Mike
Mike, I love your content but Rich was right here. Few parasites kill their hosts.
I love how condescending Mike sounded while being completely wrong.
Yeah you’d think mike would know that after saying that Jimmy fallon has a parasite for years, he seems to be alive and well to me
@@kenshirofinn3604 it's like one of those redditors making a paragraph long reply to someone being completely wrong.
Usually the host doesn't welcome parasites. Parasites just do what they want. What the Brekians were doing was "EXPLOITATION!".
@@cheers2023 yeah true but some parasites serve a useful function, such as the tongue eating louse, which eats fish tongues and latches on to the blood supply in the mouth, becoming the fishes new tongue. It creates a problem and then solves it while leeching off the host, I'd say rich made a pretty good comparison
Geeb Robberderry: Insists on no interpersonal conflict for the crew.
Also Geeb Robberderry: Creates a whole boatload of interpersonal conflict for the crew.
Gene "bad" Roddenberry
Deanna Troi: "He's hiding something!"
Me, yelling at the screen: !of course he is hiding something, he is the chief of the KGB!"
General Gogol, if I remember rightly
@@Leonards-leopard You do :)
Lol
"If winning isn't everything, why keep score" is a famous Vince Lombardi line
I appreciate that Rich commits so hard to wearing the clothes my mom bought me from Kmart when I was 14.
He also wears the same WalMart hoodies as me. Now. People who waste money on blood clothing tend to go broke.
Bravo, my good man!👏
@@shinobifirecracker6671 based
Same
@@shinobifirecracker6671 on
“Star Trek: TNG” at its worst is still light years better than “Discovery” or the character-assassination piece “Picard”.
Picard made me yearn for Discovery.
@@JosephDavies Discovery S3 > Discovery S2 > Picard
@@Popcultureguy3000 Pretty much.
So true. At least the worst of this early Trek was trying to do something unique and find its footing.
STD and all the other stuff from Alex Klutzman is brainless, stolen crap.
@@Popcultureguy3000 you must be joking lol. S2 at least had pike , no1 and Spock. S3 is the worst disco by far.
The crew talks about "Riker's famous omelets." He ends up serving them scrambled eggs with no seasoning or additions. Eggs from a species he's never heard of.
At least put some cheese on them
Clearly a euphemism for his over-descended testicles - it's why he always sits funny on chairs.
@@Ace42x huh Frakes has a back injury...
Port City Balrog
Also from a species he never heard of.
Ace 42 Riker contracted testicular torsion while performing a Kolvoord Starburst on Minuette
In encounter at farpoint, there are two male crewmembers in minidresses. The first scene in the engine room with captain picard, they either cut the first one out, or make the scene look really dark and badly lit to try and make him hard to see, but, there is another guy who steps on the turbolift about 10-15 min into the episode and they always forget to cut that one out. It's good for trivia night. :D
“Old Men with Paper discuss Star Trek” is my favourite interwebs show
*program
*webzone
Reflecting on Geordi's "surprising growth moment" in season 1 taking command... it's worth mentioning that, at the time the show first aired, LeVar Burton was by far the biggest star in the cast. Between the Roots miniseries and Reading Rainbow, his was the most recognizable name in the ensemble early on. Given that, it makes perfect sense for him to have the big character growth moment among supporting crew members in the first season.
Yeah when I first watched it, when it aired, he was the only one I knew. Loved RR
From a british point of view Patrick Stewart was the only known name (Excalibur etc).
@@dhollsynthmusic Patrick Stewart wasn't that well known outside his theatre work, Excalibur and Dune weren't massively successful roles that made him famous. He was probably more famous to British audiences before TNG for his part in I, Claudius. Roots is well known in Britain too and is shown in schools but LeVar isn't as well recognized in Britain, the same with the rest of the cast.
@@hankhill7827 You're right that Roots was a big hit in the UK, but as excellent as LeVar was in that role I still don't think he had the same recognisability in the british consciousness as Patrick Stewart, who on top of memorable roles in cult favourites like Excalibur/Dune (which were regularly shown on xmas telly) as you say also had the Sejanus role under his belt, as well as appearances in BBC Le Carre productions plus a bunch of mid-80's filler-video fare.
Patrick, despite giving us one of telly's greatest ever characters, is a bit one-note in his acting (shakespearean, authoritarian, stiff, reserved). It helps make him recognisable to viewers at least. LeVar's role as Geordie was so different to Kunta Kinte in how he looked (the visor, uniform) and how he spoke (educated, senior-officer) that I bet over 90% of UK viewers never made the connection to Roots, whereas most would've recognised Captain Picard as being "that bloke who's been in a bunch of stuff".
I still have Roots the next Generation
"Because the D is so much larger? Yeah, that makes sense." - Rich Evans
6:40 btw
I love Symbiosis because it's the only Trek episode that legitimately made me feel uneasy. The way the episode ends with the communication sent out into deep space with some approximation of "bring reinforcements" and the credits rolling without the music as it shows a shot of deep black space was very well done.
"We don't need money." Twenty years later: "I'm going to visit the poor neighborhood."
"Im off to see how my ex-colleague doing in her shantytown by the
Vasquez Rocks"
Roddenberry was an idealist, not an economist. I really don't think he gave it much thought.
"Look at me in a trashy trailer, white rich man. Go sit on some of your inherited furniture, ass. Rawr" . siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh.
It was like they intentionally made a fuck you to Gene Roddenberry
@@SuperKing604 they also made her a vape addict.
That Rick Berman Twitter spat with Denise Crosby adds a whole new layer to the Plinkett Berman jokes.
Do tell! I'd like to be in the know as well.
What is it with "Rick"s?
@@thebeetalls Rick Berman is the least Rickiest Rick to ever Rick.
26:56 To correct Mike -Parasites, although detrimental for their hosts to various degrees, don't kill them as a part of their (the parasites) life cycle. If it kills the host it's called a parasitoid.
Please make one of these for every season I'm beggin' ya
5:40 "11001001"
17:06 "Symbiosis"
36:20 "The Neutral Zone" (Aside: 43:19 "Conspiracy")
46:35 "The Arsenal of Freedom"
58:33 "Home Soil"
1:06:52 "Heart of Glory"
You're doing the Lord Rich Evans' work.
Thanks. I reckon they should’ve discussed Where No One Has Gone Before. Pretty decent episode.
@@mrmystery9965 Kosinski/Kozinski/Kolinski was a real hoot.
Thanks
@@fulldisclosureiamamonster2786 don't forget 40:20 "Agent from H.A.R.M."
You may not like it, but this is what what peak RLM performance looks like.
specifically, this: 4:46
This is a stealth Best of the Worst episode.
this is what I wanted to hear
Yup
There's bonus footage somewhere of Jay spinning the botw wheel and it landing on the TNG 1st series
As a youth the body horror of conspiracy was actually pretty compelling and I think it holds up somewhat. As an adult my real grief with it is that it resolves so quickly when a conspiracy of that size seems like it should have been a huge arc, the kind of arc that didn't really become more regular in some tv till maybe the early 2000's with things like the sopranos etc..
Star Trek: Deep Space Nine was one of the first shows to do long story arcs,
@@BiggieTrismegistus This is a great point and they did a good job of it as well.
Yeah, I don’t love the episode but definitely think it’s enjoyable and interesting.
I'd love to see you guys compare the TOS pilot to TNG overall in terms of contrasting themes, attitudes and methods to resolve things!
I second that motion
Third.
I can only imagine Jay and Jack reading comments like these, instantly facepalming, then exclaiming "G** D**** YOU RODDENBERRYYYYYY!!!!"
Yes!
And include The Cage
In one of the last shots of Symbiosis as the cargo bay doors are closing you can see Crosby step out and wave goodbye.
"Where No One Has Gone Before" and "When the Bough Breaks" would be on my Season 1 hit list. I have a hard time getting over the cringe in "Home Soil", but it's memorable because of it.
I watched TNG from the beginning way back in 1987. Compared to most genre TV shows at the time, TNG Season One was okay. The problem is that the show got _so_ much better over the next couple of years that "okay" wasn't good enough anymore.
@@davidmontgomery1442 Maybe not the series but it's easily the most memorable and engaging episode of Season 1 by far. Honestly, I can't believe these two don't like it.
Mike has argued that Star Trek is a horror show in some ways, and Conspiracy is the most horrific TNG ever gets!
@@davidmontgomery1442 conspiracy is just awful
I'm kind of surprised they didn't mention "The Big Goodbye", the intro to Picard's Dixon Hill character, as well as the first of the "holodeck malfunction" stories. It was fairly decent for Season 1.
@@gregbauer4433 The Big Goodbye was probably my personal favorite from season one. I'm shocked it didn't at least get an honorable mention. It contained a lot of charm and humor. Plus it felt almost like an homage to "A Piece of the Action" from TOS. I really got a kick out of all the old cars and era-appropriate wardrobe. I remember watching it for the first time and thinking that the holodeck was a great way to have episodes feel like an entirely different setting while still taking place aboard the Enterprise.
This was actually one of the best videos I've seen from you guys.
Great show! I must correct a "correction," however: parasites do NOT generally kill their hosts. They harm their hosts to some extent, but generally want their hosts to continue living as long as possible. Parasitism is one of a few different forms of symbiosis. Anyway, thanks for an amazing review of the rocky first season of one of my all-time favorite shows!
I'm surprised two nerds like Mike and Rich didn't know that. Fleas, the most common parasite most humans are familiar with, do not want to kill their food source. It's only when the flea population becomes unsustainable do they kill their hosts from draining too much blood.
Rich Evans was so right it's painful
Although, I think the episode being titled "symbiosis" actually is not meant to reflect the reality of the two races' situation, but the justification that the drug dealer race uses to legitimize the arrangement. "We're not _parasites,_ both sides get... something out of it!"
@@kakroom3407 Yeah, the title has to do with the original assumption, not the twist (Picard uses that word to describe the situation before they know the whole story). Near the end of the episode, Crusher says something like "this isn't symbiotic, it's exploitation" but she should have said "it's parasitic" too keep that theme going.
I enjoyed watching this hour and twenty minute long video of a show I've barely watched.
Video is better when you have watched these cringe-y season one episodes though!
dude go watch TNG right now
I will be a contrarian and say that you're better off just watching this video than watching any of TNG seasons 1 or 2, and I say this as someone who watched TNG since the early 90s and still love it.
@@ThomasRoiloup To be clear, I don't think it's *worth* watching season 1 or much of season 2. Just that this video is better *if* you've suffered through that first season.
Though there are parts of season 2 that are definitely worth watching. "Q Who" alone is what got me into the series way back.
In this case, an hour and twenty minute long video about a season no one wanted to air
I unironically love watching these elderly folks enjoy talking about the stuff theyre passionate about
I don't even watch Star Trek but I love every Star Trek video you guys have made and I actually learned a lot about the franchise because your videos.
My 7 year old daughter walked up and asked “Why does that man laugh so much? He laughs so much, it’s uncomfortable.” She was of course speaking about Rich.
she's right but wrong
Plot twist- She was actually playing at a neighbor's house and heard him all the way from there.
@EK89 I understand that and appreciate this reply.
Hmm... you should give your daughter a dna test... doesn't sound like she's yours.
@@thomasbarker2888 Yes, random internet person. I'll schedule that test right away based on your assessment of a comment thread I began on a RedLetterMedia review of Godzilla vs. Kong. Thank you for the suggestion :)
I think this Re:View TNG series should be accompanied by a "Best of the Worst: Star Trek TNG Season X" series where you make Jay watch TNG, but only the worst episodes.
Merriwether Post Pavilion?
So WOTB?
SO, all of season ONE! :-)
Hire this guy RLM!
That would be amazing. LMAO. As a bonus: Jay would have more knowledge of the franchise if there's gonna be more episodes of Mike vs. Jay Trek trivia
Anyone who's a fan of the old Plinkett reviews knows who Rick Berman is.
What is it with Ricks?
@@krissuyx damn it you beat me to it, lol
FOCK you Rick Burrrrmam. You ruin this movie too? STOP RUINING MY...
...Wait a minute..
That aint Rick Burrrrman.
@@thishandleistacken Great video.
I know BECAUSE I SOLD IT TO YOU!
I do feel bad for Tasha Yar/ Denise. I get why she left, but man. . . they had a really solid set-up for her to have a good arc of development. I think a lot of the potential was realized with Kira Nerys in DS9, but Yar would've been an interesting exploration of the Federation from the perspective of someone who grew up where the Federation's utopian vision had regressed.
I think when people quit like this it’s usually because there’s toxic stuff going on backstage as well, which seems to have been the case. Renegade Cut has a good YT video called Berman Trek which discusses some of these issues.
@@emmy8526 Agreed. S1 does sound like a behind-the-scenes cluster. Can't blame anyone for deciding to get out.
Indeed, with the added bonus, that Tasha's Character wouldn't have had
the totally un-Star-Trek religious part of Kira, that for some reason never got challenged
by any other Character.
My favorite season 1 episode is “conspiracy” because its totally batshit. Space parasites take over star fleet, ppl are eating worms, a dude’s head explodes, it’s nuts!
Same, if anything I think it should have been a two parter, but showrunners weren't ready for continuing plots yet.
Jay would've loved the episode and considered it as the best of the series...
Hang on, the bats were eating nuts? That's unusual.
I think that was the only episode I really liked, mostly because its the only episode they ever use cool body horror effects. The entire rest of the season is pretty garbage though.
I just wish they had followed up on it later. As far as we know, that species is still out there, and a subspace signal was sent.....At first, I thought that the last episode of season one was connected, what with all those planets on both the Federation and Romulan side of the Neutral zone destroyed. But turns out that was the Borg.
Rich's definition of parasite was the right one. A mosquito is an endoparasite. Normally it doesn't kill the host (unless it's the carrier of a pathogen, but that's another story)
Yeah I'm surprised that both Mike got it wrong and Rich allowed him to get it wrong. These are nerds, they should know a parasite that kills it's host finds itself without food very quickly.
@@VaporeonEnjoyer1 Yeah. A parasite that kills it's host is a parasitoid, by the way. But nah... I don't really think the RLM crew are nerds. Film buffs, yeah, but for full grown nerds they show a lot of red flags.
Thanks for mentioning this bc Mike's improper definition of Parasite really 'bugged' me, pun intended.
I figured everybody would know a parasite doesn't normally kill its host, and that symbiosis = dual benefits..but I guess not.
Wouldn't the pathogen also be a parasite then? So a parasite from a parasite?
You could classify mosquitos as temporary ECTOparasites. They feed by micropredation. Malaria on the other hand (transmitted by some mosquitos) is caused by an ENDOparasite which lives inside the host. Its main goal is to spread back to mosquitos, the disease is only a side effect. As Vermilion77 pointed out, a parasite that kills its host intentionally is a parasitoid.
On the topic of symbiosis, the term is colloquially used to describe mutualism (both organisms benefit). But in biology, symbiosis means any long-term interaction between organisms. Parasitism is actually a form of symbiosis, so the episode title is accurate.
I once tried to explain “Q” to someone during a super bowl party... won’t make that mistake again
Going to a super bowl party?
Did their eyes glaze over after about 30 seconds?! 😂😂😂
No see he's like, a super advanced alien that can do anything like a god but they aren't gods and he likes to like fuck with people cause like.....
I always kinda wanted a Q show. But maybe not.
Just say it was short for "quarterback".
I heard someone quote Rich Evans in real life, in the wild. Just thought Rich needed to know if he ever sees this.
Just started watching this show and it's everything mike says it is, fantastically optimistic and it feels good to watch this show
☑
hope u enjoyed it all
Rich: So what Star Trek should we cover next, Next Generation?
Mike: Yes
Rich: Alright, which season?
Mike: Yes
I'm honestly surprised Riker didn't manage to get the holodeck pregnant.
He got the Romulan one, but that one was also fake
“Computer... Abort.”
Who mops up the loads in the holodeck?
@@kylesmith4341 They made a series about that, if you like KuRtZmAn tReK in toon form.
@@Corbomite_Meatballs Lower Decks is okay. I wish all of NuTrek was as disconnected from the main continuity. Things are done and said that would realistically never happen in the Star Trek universe and I think fans have a right to be upset by that. Especially when it is obvious that Kurtzman and CBS really don't care what fans of old trek think.
I was hoping 'The Battle' was going to be in there somewhere. For such an early episode, the dark tale of revenge was really well-formed, as well as fleshing out Picard's backstory and showing us the ship he used to captain. Also the spooky scenes of Picard commanding his ghostly crew are really well shot/edited, and have always stayed with me.
This could not have arrived at a better time! Here’s hoping to every season and... God willing... TOS
Full hour long reviews of every single episode.
DS9 would be way better than TOS. I remember mike saying on an episode that TOS was basically the twilight zone, where someone would die in the beginning, and they'd spend the rest of the episode trying to figure it out. That's like 90% of TOS episodes.
DS9 actually had war and politics and the frengi actually get fleshed out.
@@bigbakaboon that’s really interesting. Perhaps that’s why I enjoy TOS so much it is like a sci fi TZ. But you’re absolutely right. DS9 has so many talking points and different episodes It’s fascinating. Here’s hoping they do all of them then.... up to Voyager and Enterprise.
Q willing.
@@bigbakaboon Totally agree. In 2020 I marathoned (for the first time in both cases) TNG, and then DS9 right after bc covid. While I remember parts of TNG very fondly; the characters of DS9 still stand out in my mind so much more clearly and I feel like I could really describe who they were. Garak, Quark, Otto, Dax, Cisco, and Kira come to mind immediately.
oof dude they're starting with the worst season, hope this doesn't scare them off, I know rich is new to star trek after all
Does Rich even know which phaser Captain Kirk used to fight the klingorns?
@@CarrotConsumer yes and, man! Yes and!
Season 1 is the best seasion. 100% Star Trek from Gene Roddenberry.
@@MrWinnfield Nah, Gene was at his best as the visionary trying to fight the network heads to get his story out there back in TOS, by the time TNG came out he'd become to his writers the same sort of censor that the network heads were to him, and the show suffered for it.
@@MrWinnfield lol it's garbage.
i would literally watch yall talk about every single star trek episode, not just a few per season
Yup time for the Season 2 video already.
Full length commentary and discussions on all of them would be great.
I agree 100%
and pay a considerable amount of money
The best episode was conspiracy. I was only watching the first season here and there but when i watched this episode I was like whoa since it a bit creepy even though the bugs were funky . Also the viewsceen was bent and the image was larger .
Please keep doing these. I’m not a Trekkie, but hearing you guys talk about Trek has made me somewhat interested in it. And I’d love to hear Mike and Jim keep going through the original series and next gen movies