This was Mike's grand scheme from the jump. He decided one day that he would sacrifice 10 years of his life discussing movies and shows that he isn't really interested in only to one day, a decade later, be able to talk about star trek:TNG to his hearts content. Mission accomplished Mike, mission accomplished.
"They're going to dig her up for Star Trek Picard Season Two and she's going to run around with a machine gun." Oof. Mike cursed with the gift of clairvoyance.
The thirteen-years-long grand opus known as Red Letter Media is finally reaching its logical conclusion: Old Trek reviews by Rich and Mike. It's. So. Beautiful. 😢
I'm amazed they overlooked the fact that when the Enterprise encounters the Wolf-359 graveyard, Riker has a chilling moment when he sees the destroyed USS Melbourne, the ship for which he was offered command.
This! I think that's also why I don't mind the ending shot of Best of Both Worlds part 2, it flows so smoothly with Family. (Though I do see Mike's point in the video as well)
Maybe it was explained in some other media, but I never understood why the Enterprise didn’t use the teleporter to beam massive explosives onto the Borg ship. If people and their equipment can beam through Borg shields, why not nukes and neutron bombs?
TNG does denouement TERRIBLY. It usually lasts about 60 seconds. Best of Both Worlds is equally guilty, especially after such a powerful plot point. “Family” was a much needed follow up and is very much deserving of a Part 3 moniker.
@@Noplayster13 because the Borg don’t see a few humans as a threat until fired upon(all they have are phasers). I presume if they beamed in with a ton of explosives they would be seen as a threat, and the bombs with be blocked during transport, or beamed out. They also adapt, so even if one species tried and successfully did it once, they wouldn’t allow it again.
I love how Rich Evans is still humble enough to introduce himself as if we don't know his name. And I love how the other guy keeps it together and isn't too starstruck.
Q’s character arc on TNG makes sense. He was testing humanity to see if they were a worthy species. Once they prove themselves as being capable, he starts to steer them in a more benevolent way, and eventually develops an affection for them. Particularly his obsession with Picard.
Would that then imply that the hacks who wrote Picard extended that logic to culminate in "Q is dead and feels fine about leaving the universe in Picard's hands"?
I'm late to this (shame on me!) but as a counselor, I loved the little discussion of Troi vs Guinan as counselors!Mike and Rich's observations, as well as the show, were pretty spot on. Troi, imo, behaves more like a new counselor would. She has her theory and procedures down (sounding like she's reading from a text or protocols) and she's also just a little too soft, gentle or emotionally invested. Guinan, on the other hand, is like one of those amazing older,experienced counselors. Well-trained but relying on their intuition and experience. Their counsel is based on the foundations of theory but they never sound like they're reading from a book because they've actually incorporated the philosophy into their work. They aren't afraid to push a little harder, be a bit more confrontational (in a good way!) and can cut through the bs much faster. Which, given the characters, makes a lot of sense, it's incredibly apt. Sorry for rambling, I doubt that observation is as interesting to anyone else as it was to me but ah well!
You're not alone, at a glance I don't see anyone else in the comments mention it but thought it was very interesting and the deeper character knowledge Rich and Mike possess only helped the observation, and yours was nice to read too. Thanks.
"I doubt that observation is as interesting to anyone else as it was to me but ah well!" You're discussing the technical details of the occupation of two of the main characters, on a video about TNG. I think you will find an audience here.
Troi is the city psychologist with a framed picture of Freud and diplomas on the wall. Guinan is the 100-year-old kung-fu master living alone in a wooden cabin at the top of the mountain.
0:03:02 The Best of Both Worlds (Parts 1 and 2) 0:20:59 Mike and Rich talk about common trends in Star Trek TNG 0:25:08 The Measure of a Man 0:30:16 The Drumhead 0:40:46 Deja Q 0:47:45 Tapestry
They listed "The Drumhead?" Oh my. That is easily one of TNG's worst episodes. "The Measure of a Man" ain't much better. These guys don't deserve the time of day. They're picking episodes pseudo-intellectuals would pick as to appear smart.
@@infinitelybanta wait so it's all one big loop... he suggested in his Phantom Menace review that JJ direct Star Wars films. He praised Star Trek 2009, then JJ directed part 7 and 9. @redlettermedia what's good???
13:50 The reason you had that "Is Riker going to kill Locutus and stay captain" cliff-hanger is specifically BECAUSE Patrick Stewart had ended his three year contract and hadn't renegotiated something new by the time they filmed the episode they had no idea if he was coming back. He'd started with a three year contract and obviously the first two years of that were not the best. In fact he's since said that when he signed on his agent promised him it would be a short job and get cancelled by season three just like the original series. It was the changing of the showrunners and writers and the vast improvements of season 3 (plus a pay rise) that finally talked him into coming back for another 4 years. The result was that when they shot that scene in Best of Both Worlds part 1 they had NOT written a script or even an outline for part 2 and had no idea whether to plan for Picard to be in it, even as a guest star. There was every chance from season 4 onwards Picard would be dead, Riker would be Captain and Shelby would have been inserted as a series regular in Jonathon Frakes former position as he became the new lead for the franchise. It's also why Best of Both Worlds Part 1 was the Riker episode setting him up as possible replacement. Best of Both Worlds part 2 was the "lets pull together to save Earth AND Picard" episode and ending on restoring the status quo.
Makes me wonder how the show could've looked if Stewart decided to go. I quite liked Shelby's character, and the shakeup of the command structure would've been quite interesting to see.
Yes Frakes does not have the “charm” of Stewart. If they had gone without Stewart the show would have been different. I dare to say it could have been better. At least when they went to movies the character wouldn’t have changed like Stewart’s did. TV Picard was less “hands on” than movie Picard. When they did movies Stewart had to do more action. Captain Riker would have been more fun to watch. But actually I like how it all worked out. Riker was never going to get the big chair on Enterprise.
I've also seen from this comment section that the head writer was also debating whether he'd stay after Season 3, and that influenced all the cornered positions the characters ended up in by the end of Part 1.
the reason Worf was so ready to side with the judge in that one episode is that she took advantage of his insecurities over his klingon heritage and implied that he wouldn't be taken seriously as a true Starfleet officer unless she had his complete compliance. Worf was put into the unenviable position of proving his loyalty to Starfleet over one of his people.
Maybe partly, but the main reason is it also plays to his character. Worf does always think there are enemies that must be found and attacked, and the right response to a problem is with force. She gave him a tempting target to fight - a conspiracy on his ship, and initially he says “if” one exists he will find it. In his mind there is nothing wrong with investigating and finding out if there is a problem - he’s security after all. He then eagerly follows the judge down a path of over zealous investigation like a member of the gestapo, and admits he was duped at the end of the episode and he was shocked he willingly helped the judge. We see his instinct to react without thinking and with force ad nauseum in TNG. He has much better growth on DS9, but even there, that character trait exists: there was that episode where he grumbles about going to Rise with Dax, and ends up being convinced to sabotage the planetary environmental controls with a weird terroroist organisation that believes the federation is decadent for having too much fun and pleasure. Again, he was easily duped, but more than happy to go along with it.
Yeah, I never understood why the holofecks continued to function with all the malfunction when I was younger. Now that I'm older I get it, the crew would go insane otherwise, so it was worth it if 20% of the time your senior officers use the holodeck that ot puts them in sever danger
Good point, it gets rid of the problems with cabin fever. Also can keep skills sharp and help with fitness. The amount of porn in there would be off the chain though.
Funny story about The Best of Both Worlds: Dad was a military man and went to war between the two episodes (The Gulf). He was not scared about leaving the family, or dying in the war, he was pissed because he was gonna miss the second episode.
“Schisms” is a favourite that scared the crap out of me as a kid. The scene where Crusher discovers Riker’s arm has been removed and then reattached still creeps me out.
Same here. I remember having to turn it off midway when they got to the part with the crewmembers trapped halfway between the floor because it scared me so much.
Same here! "Schisms" gave me nightmares. At the time that show aired I had this irrational fear that aliens were going to abduct me (Yeah, I was a weird kid....) So this episode just happened to play on my worst fears at the time. I remember I was so freaked out my dad slept in a chair in my room just to calm me after the show. (I was around 5 or 6 at the time I believe.)
Lissbirds that was Data's Day iirc. There's a very similar scene in Schisms though where they find a crewman with all of his blood replaced with a resin glue or some shit. It's equally disturbing.
He told Rich there would be 3 parts. But when they're done with part 2, he's going to signal Jay lock the doors and force Rich to watch Discovery again.
I think the editor was trying to capture his face looking at the camera but Rich kept changing which camera he was looking at so...this was the end result lol
I legitimately fall asleep to this every night because nothing makes me fall asleep faster than two old men passionately talking about something they love that I have never seen. Thanks RLM!!!
Rather like another of your commenters, I actually want to listen to it but at night in bed when the phone is charging - and hang my sleep. By some strange law of the universe, though, I do fall asleep nearly every single time. By now of course I'm exploiting this to actually fall asleep at night, like yourself, but I still at heart really want to see it all.
That “ryker asking questions” segment is eery foreshadowing for when he did the beyond belief show and started every episode by asking a silly question
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If you haven't slowed down the vids of Frakes' Beyond Belief openings to .5 speed and imagined you're listening to a drunk, you haven't ever truly laughed hard
"Measure of a Man" always bothered me, because Maddox argued that Data was Starfleet property, just like the ship's computer - but nobody seemed to have thought of the very obvious fact that Starfleet does not enroll ships' computers in Starfleet Academy, nor does it appoint them ranks. Therefore, since Starfleet already did do so with Data, it already confirmed 'personhood' on him decades ago.
what about Lore; he wasn't recognized as a person by starfleet ? Data could have sent his disassembled brother to Maddox for study (and maybe fix his evil tendencies) Data had so little faith in Maddox, he was either afraid Maddox would irreparably damage his precious, evil brother or that Lore would be too difficult for anyone but Data to contain.
Imo the most overrated TNG episode, and a terrible gateway to newcomers. I really like it, but for characters' traits, not plot. As in, it only works its magic when you're already infatuated with the gang.
I’ll be real, I’m just getting started on TNG. Idk what I’m talking about. That being said, I think they could make the argument that in this very rare case, a computer would be sent through an academy if it was considered valuable for the federation for said computer to learn alongside humans?
4 parter, also wont be complete without knowing that everyone in "Family" died horribly in a fire making that amazing episode completely fucking pointless
Oh baby, let's get this going. It's nice to know they finally caved to "JUST PUT MIKE AND RICH IN A ROOM AND MAKE THEM TALK ABOUT STAR TREK THEY LIKE."
I would be so happy if they made an entire series of episodes like this for all the older Trek shows. Hearing them talk about the good era of Star Trek is one of my favorite things on the internet.
I'm with Rich, important to the overall series sure, but it isn't as much fun to watch on its own as other episodes. It is more 'important' than 'great'.
Anyone trying to recover from _Star Trash Disaster, Star 'Tard: Picard_ and _Star Wreck: Lower Dreck_ can find the remedy in "Seth Trek" _The Orville_ -- the spiritual successor to ST:TNG. (Edit: Added ST:LD)
I watched the entire TNG series, every week live when it came out. I remember my home town had a big basketball tournament coming up my sister was involved in and even the hometown coach made sure there were no practices scheduled for the premier of Best of Both Worlds part two. It was a major event in our household.
This is why RLM/Mike/Rich/whatever for more than a decade are among the very best things the internet has ever offered. Irresistible and untouchable. Plus, Rich laughing is everything😂
Mike: "This episode of Star Trek reminds me of another episode of earlier Star Trek". It has come full circle. Thank you guys for that, it is fantastic
The original contract for the actors in TNG only ran for three years - so they could have easily written Picard off during Best of Both Worlds. If memory serves, even the writers didn't know if Patrick Stewart would be back when they wrote part 1 of that episode.
Yeah it is interesting Patrick Stewart was not considered a hip actor back in late season 3, it was the old guy running the enterprise, so the magazine talked about the possibility of Ricker running the ship, on the producers part it was a smart move so Stewart couldn't ask for a huge pay bump, same with the rest of the cast, as they could be replaced at any time or killed off, they had done both by yr 3
I swear to god this hour felt like two minutes. It's inspiring listening to you talking so passionately about real Star Trek. I loved your take on "Best of both worlds" about Riker and ambition. This video made me appreciate even more the originality and quality of TNG. Also loved your choices, I love the Drumhead and Deja Q too. Keep it going guys, you represent the true spirit of Star Trek that has lately been so disrespected. Waiting forward to part two :)
I agree completely. On top of that, it just makes me feel sad. I had never seen TNG or DS9, and I watched both all the way through over the last two years. To know we'll probably never get something like that ever again - science fiction that is so very human, well-thought out, and aspirational -, and to be reminded of it through this wonderful and thoughtful analysis, can't help but make me sad.
@@ShockinglyLiterate So true. It seems that drama and action have taken the place of intelligence and reflection. Nowadays audiences are treated as stupid children and I have got used to it but in Star Trek it's really insulting. Star Trek TNG was a show made by smart people for smart people (or at least for people who didn't like Star Wars so much) Now we have STD and STP, shows made by greedy and ignorant people that make the ferengi appear like f**ing Einsteins in comparison.
Best of Both Worlds: I remember watching this live on TV as a boy with my dad. We had watched just about every episode of TNG up to that point. We were ABSOLUTELY RIVETED watching the episode. It got to the cliff hanger ending, and said To Be Continued, and both me and my dad were destroyed. I couldn't believe we actually had to wait ALL SUMMER to see Part 2. It was the greatest moment of TV I've ever experienced, as far as narrative climatic stories that engrossed me totally. What an amazing show!
Would you guys be surprised to learn that extremely competent and talented producer Rick Berman was responsible for Best of Both Worlds not having an official Part 3. He rejected the idea for Best of Both Worlds being a trilogy as the writers originally pitched. The writers obviously knew that they couldn't end a Part 2 with Picard at the absolute lowest point of his life and then just go on to a space anomaly episode next week, which is 100% what Berman wanted. So they pushed extremely hard for them to at least have a Picard storyline next episode dealing with the aftermath. Roddenberry also hated the conflict between the Picard brothers as he believed that type of interpersonal conflict wouldn't exist in the future... like... what?? Family is a very strong episode and actual catharsis for Picard's trauma. But it could have been even stronger if the producers had recognized that after such an insane pair of episodes that all the characters would need at least one episode to deal with it the aftermath! I would love to have seen Riker having to think about the fact that he had tried to kill his Captain, who was in the end rescued and was not beyond saving. Geordi overworking himself and not sleeping and having an eventual breakdown trying to make the Enterprise Borg-proof. Not to mention the consequences on the Federation itself, since they lost dozens of ships in their fleet and thousands of personnel. This is something DS9 did better - actions generally had far reaching consequences. TNG was way too happy to return to the status quo.
The Borg story actually started in Season 1 with the episode "The Neutral Zone" ... Romulan and Federation colonies scooped off the surface. Glad you guys mentioned it. :)
so weird, I now remember this happening but I was under the impression the Borg were in a far out sector never seen by anyone other than Guinans people and was sure the Borg didn't know humans or romulans existed until they chased the enterprise after Q shot them out... I know the outposts were far out, but I thought the Borg were way past unexplored area
We (the audience) benefited from the writer's strike and the Roddenberry-Maizlish-Berman power shift -- their original arc was Borg-ice-cream-scoop the colonies, Enterprise encounters Borg, multiple crewmembers abducted, Picard + Data fused into a single amalgam Borg-body (yes, really) -- the way things worked out, with the one-year delay (and Q Who) (and more nuanced Patrick Stewart) was much better.
TNG's success is primarily about the atmosphere. As stated previously by Mike, It is a world you would like to live in. Gene's vision of the future was so deeply optimistic; it shows and that helps us to feel positive about the future. Feels good man.
I was going to make a post on the RLM subreddit about this. I’d love him and Josh to talk about The Return and possibly dive deeper into the original 2 seasons than what they did on the Fire Walk With Me re:View. Also just more David Lynch stuff in general. Talk about his weird RUclips channel!!!
I watched the ENTIRE series to be able to follow this. I think I started just after this re:View was uploaded, and watched the last episode yesterday, so it took me more than a year. It was fun.
Same, picked up seasons 2 and 3 from a thrift store and ended up getting the whole series. Just watched the final episode. Probably about a year or so. Even single episode is memorable and makes you think. 1st season is kind of weird but watched 2-5, 1 then 6 and 7. Probably gonna pick up original series. Also was happy to finally watch these videos
A network show would have a team of researchers digging through episodes to find excerpts that match, and illustrate, the points that the hosts are making. You know that Mike pulled all these out of his own head in 5 minutes.
Back in 1990 I was in the Navy, and was a huge TNG fan. I remember watching "The Best of Both Worlds" pt. 1. A couple of months after this episode aired, I was shipped off to participate in Desert Shield and Desert Storm. I didn't get to watch part two until 1992, when my enlistment ended. Two years!
I know these lines are coming, but I bust out laughing every time. It always gets me. The only other thing like that is the turtle and horses in "Blue Shadows" scene in "3 Amigos."
Michael Burnham makes us have fond memories of those ST:NG "Wesley Crusher saves the ship" episodes. Picard on ST:P makes us have fond memories of Star Trek: Discovery.
@@SidneyBroadshead Exactly. Remember when Star Trek had science advisors to make sure what they were talking about is plausible? I think they were gone by the time Voyager filmed.
"Stop crying Tilly, we have to repolarize the field of the tachyon emission dish before the nebulonic cirrhosis effect reaches critical" *Michael walks in and taps the computer console six times. The spatial anomaly returns to normal and every white man in the Alpha Quadrant dies painfully*
Jesus. I’ve seen “The Drumhead” a million times, but probably not for 15 years or so. I actually almost have tears from the clip at 33:27 when Picard says “What you’re doing here is unethical.” He’s soo good! The writing was amazing! I feel so grateful that I grew up being able to watch this level of quality!
Drumhead -- though a great episode -- is partially stolen from the McCarthy Trials -- specifically the Joe Welch confrontation, where McCarthy accused Welch of harboring a Communist (one of his junior staff, Fred Fisher, who had joined a lawyers' organization with some loose socialist ties) -- at the end of which, Welch erupted "Have you, at least, no sense of decency, sir," and castigated McCarthy for attempting to smear a young man's reputation as witch-hunt ammo. Doesn't make the TNG story any less compelling, but the 1954 Welch-McCarthy inspiration is even better, and well worth watching.
@@mkocinema2012 was, is, whatever! It's like saying a dog with diarrhea has only _just begun_ voiding its bowels. The first squirts are still awful lol
16:00 Troi is a very realistic character if you think about it. She joined Star Fleet to get away from her mother and to be with her boyfriend. She was like hey I'll be a councilor because I'm empathic (like taking a french class when you are from France in an English speaking country). Her boyfriend dumps her so really she doesn't give that much of a crap, she can coast through it and hold down the job while she puts herself back together. And that's Troi's arc, she ends up learning how to be Troi without a guy (becomes bridge officer, has other relationships, confronts her mom) and then in the end gets back together with her Man and has a family. She's happy, we're happy.
RLM, are you guys reading these comments? Seriously, start a podcast or patreon videos or weekly episodes here on youtube for TNG and DS9. The fan base is seriously here for this. I'd pay to hear two old men with paper drone on about Star Trek.
I just thought of something. I think they recognize the lines in the sand and are avoiding burning out too fast on it all. There are only so many episodes to talk about. I say give them time.
Tapestry hits me hard because it feels like I've settled in to being the cautious Lieutenant who never took chances so now I have to live vicariously through Rich Evans.
It didn't click with me until after I watched it a few times - young Jean-Luc Picard was almost exactly like Kirk. He's handsome, he's intelligent, he's single, he sleeps around, he punches people, he calls older women "handsome", he gets drunk, he uses a phaser, he travels the galaxy, he punches people, he bangs his classmate in his bedroom, women love him, he goes on adventures, he punches people, -he's accused of killing his best friend and getting away with it- , and so on!
The third season of TNG was by far the best. So many great episodes concluded with the cliffhanger ending of The Best Of Both Worlds, which was indirectly referred to in Galaxy Quest. “Activate the Omega 13.”
To the point about the Borg being set up in season 1, that was actually the plan. But the writers strike happened. Originally The Borg were supposed to premiere Season 2, and "Best of Both Worlds" was supposed to cliffhanger end season 2. So not only did the writers strike impact those plans, but it also slashed the budget to the point where the season 2 finale came, they were so out of money for the season that the network actually insisted they do a clip show to reduce costs... so that awful "Shades of Grey" episode was actually Paramount's fault.... when we could have (and should have) had a much better season than we got. Ironically, some of the best eps to come out of that season were because they were forced to get outside writers. "Measure of a Man" for instance was written by a lawyer, not a Hollywood writer. Her very first screenplay I believe, and she absolutely NAILED it. Sometimes you just stumble onto pure gold.
I'm almost positive there were hints dropped in season 1 or 2 that Lore either created the Borg or knew about them and went to join them, which is kinda corroborated by the whole Borg cult thing that happens later. I can't remember exactly what he says but he basically describes the Borg to Data and asks him to join him. I'm a little shaky on my early TNG knowledge, I usually start with season 3.
@@ThePhobicSuperior No, the Borg were originally designed to be hive mind insects. A enemy so alien and so strong, that the Federation would have needed to work together with the Romulans to beat them. But that design was way to expensive so they switched to Cyborgs (very en vogue back then) and the Romulan involvement was slashed with the short season 2 because of the writers strikes.
I've never seen an episode of Picard or Discovery thanks to the RLM videos (and a couple of the Drinker's too) showing what travesties and insults both shows are. Watching these fun TNG episodes here makes me even more grateful for that. Thanks guys 🖖
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This was Mike's grand scheme from the jump. He decided one day that he would sacrifice 10 years of his life discussing movies and shows that he isn't really interested in only to one day, a decade later, be able to talk about star trek:TNG to his hearts content. Mission accomplished Mike, mission accomplished.
Palpatine's behind it all!
And I'll gladly watch any of it
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And Rainbows Remedy...
@@StGroovy its Suburban Sasqatch you infidel
It’s stylistically designed to be that way
I would eagerly watch Mike and Rich Evans talk about every single episode of every single Trek series.
QBG, I think that idea is brilliant
Yuuuuuuus pls.
Me too.
In podcast form!! YEEESSSSSS
You should try mclasspodcast. Similarly entertaining.
"They're going to dig her up for Star Trek Picard Season Two and she's going to run around with a machine gun." Oof. Mike cursed with the gift of clairvoyance.
"The will dig up guinean for picard season 2 and she will run around with a machine gun" We laughed in 2020.
I love RLM but they need to stop saying things. Their predictions keep being proven right in the worst ways.
@@unintentionallydramatic they were cursed with Apollo's gift of prophecy
@@andrefiremaster I could see it.
The chairs and table they use are made of monkeys paw
@@tumbles8350 so is Rich's folding chable
This is the final form of RLM. This was always Mike's ultimate plan.
I'm okay with this.
Indeed. It's great to hear them talk about the Star Trek they actually like.
His decade and a half plan to just unironically make a podcast where middle aged men discuss nerd shit shrouded by the guise of years of sarcasm.
A dyad in the RUclips show. But he can’t get up without a tower
Mike is the key to all of this.
The thirteen-years-long grand opus known as Red Letter Media is finally reaching its logical conclusion: Old Trek reviews by Rich and Mike. It's. So. Beautiful. 😢
To boldly go where the bulk of their subs don't want them to
@@snarkylive I like the double meaning of "executed".
Poor Jay.
@@snarkylive Yeah, like Plinket's "dumb" idea to suggest JJ Abrams direct the new Star Wars! :-)
It's poetry, like holding down Will Wheaton and having dogs poop on his face.
I'm amazed they overlooked the fact that when the Enterprise encounters the Wolf-359 graveyard, Riker has a chilling moment when he sees the destroyed USS Melbourne, the ship for which he was offered command.
Yes, even if they changed the model used for DS9 (from a Nebula-class to an Excelsior-class)
no you're not
Red Letter Media can't escape from the "I'm surprised you didn't mention" comments
@@Dorian-_-Gray I mean, yeah. He probably is. It surprises me as well
I never noticed that.
I always considered Best of Both Worlds as a three-parter. "Family" was such a great and underrated follow up.
It's a very nice character episode that shows the relaxed and sentimental side of picard you don't really ever see.
This! I think that's also why I don't mind the ending shot of Best of Both Worlds part 2, it flows so smoothly with Family. (Though I do see Mike's point in the video as well)
Maybe it was explained in some other media, but I never understood why the Enterprise didn’t use the teleporter to beam massive explosives onto the Borg ship. If people and their equipment can beam through Borg shields, why not nukes and neutron bombs?
TNG does denouement TERRIBLY. It usually lasts about 60 seconds. Best of Both Worlds is equally guilty, especially after such a powerful plot point. “Family” was a much needed follow up and is very much deserving of a Part 3 moniker.
@@Noplayster13 because the Borg don’t see a few humans as a threat until fired upon(all they have are phasers). I presume if they beamed in with a ton of explosives they would be seen as a threat, and the bombs with be blocked during transport, or beamed out. They also adapt, so even if one species tried and successfully did it once, they wouldn’t allow it again.
Mike and Rich... enjoying Star Trek?
Jesus this will give them both back 5 years of life
If they keep doing this they'll achieve immortality
@@Khazuki_ and in turn Jay can forever steal their lifeblood to fuel his own youthful looks.
@@MrHendrix17 Jays long hair and beard are concealing his buck teeth and unsightly face. Those aren't "youthful looks".
The companion piece can only be a two hour David Lynch filmography appreciation session, featuring Jay and Josh...
@@notyou8716 sure they're concealed now, but our modern day Adonis will show himself soon enough. Don't doubt our indie film geek's beauty.
I love how Rich Evans is still humble enough to introduce himself as if we don't know his name. And I love how the other guy keeps it together and isn't too starstruck.
ikr when he said i am rich evans it sounded so humble, but the bold declaration really came through as well
He looks the spitting image of Dick the Birthday Boy.
The Internet's Rich Evans
I always assumed the other guy was the more well known one. What's Rich Evans story?
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I think Riker constantly asking questions paved the way for Jonathan Frakes to get the gig on Beyond Belief.
The compilation videos of him asking questions for several minutes from this show is hilarious
I’m thinking a super-supercut of Frakes being inquisitive
Q’s character arc on TNG makes sense. He was testing humanity to see if they were a worthy species. Once they prove themselves as being capable, he starts to steer them in a more benevolent way, and eventually develops an affection for them. Particularly his obsession with Picard.
Would that then imply that the hacks who wrote Picard extended that logic to culminate in "Q is dead and feels fine about leaving the universe in Picard's hands"?
I can’t describe how good it felt to just watch someone talk about good Star Trek.
same, dude. same.
Mike, his eyes glistening
Jay, his eyes rolling
Rich, with ears open
Plinkett, when the insulin levels fell.
Jay and Mike at Plinkett's house.
Plinkett, when the VCR failed.
Jay Bauman, when the wheel of the worst was spun.
@@VerizonEclipse Rich Evans, when the wheel of the worst fell
I'm late to this (shame on me!) but as a counselor, I loved the little discussion of Troi vs Guinan as counselors!Mike and Rich's observations, as well as the show, were pretty spot on. Troi, imo, behaves more like a new counselor would. She has her theory and procedures down (sounding like she's reading from a text or protocols) and she's also just a little too soft, gentle or emotionally invested. Guinan, on the other hand, is like one of those amazing older,experienced counselors. Well-trained but relying on their intuition and experience. Their counsel is based on the foundations of theory but they never sound like they're reading from a book because they've actually incorporated the philosophy into their work. They aren't afraid to push a little harder, be a bit more confrontational (in a good way!) and can cut through the bs much faster. Which, given the characters, makes a lot of sense, it's incredibly apt.
Sorry for rambling, I doubt that observation is as interesting to anyone else as it was to me but ah well!
You're not alone, at a glance I don't see anyone else in the comments mention it but thought it was very interesting and the deeper character knowledge Rich and Mike possess only helped the observation, and yours was nice to read too. Thanks.
"I doubt that observation is as interesting to anyone else as it was to me but ah well!"
You're discussing the technical details of the occupation of two of the main characters, on a video about TNG. I think you will find an audience here.
Troi is the city psychologist with a framed picture of Freud and diplomas on the wall. Guinan is the 100-year-old kung-fu master living alone in a wooden cabin at the top of the mountain.
@@dr.juerdotitsgo5119 Troi is the psychologist that antinatalists cite to discredit therapy and Guinan is the reason people choose to stick with it
Great observation and much appreciated!!
0:03:02 The Best of Both Worlds (Parts 1 and 2)
0:20:59 Mike and Rich talk about common trends in Star Trek TNG
0:25:08 The Measure of a Man
0:30:16 The Drumhead
0:40:46 Deja Q
0:47:45 Tapestry
You are the hero we need. Did you also do something similar for other episodes?
@@witekstrzeleckich7657 I did.
Doing God's work, thanks
You are the man, man.
They listed "The Drumhead?" Oh my. That is easily one of TNG's worst episodes. "The Measure of a Man" ain't much better. These guys don't deserve the time of day. They're picking episodes pseudo-intellectuals would pick as to appear smart.
1 hour TNG discussion.
Jay: Looks blankly into camera
que the slide-whistle
(Part 1)
When will RLM do a 2 hour long video of Jay talking to an empty chair about Italian monster pornos from the 50s??
Damit man you ruined the episode for me now!
Jay just nodding off like Picard in the last clip.
This is the Infinity War of RLM. All storylines have led to this moment.
So true 😂😂😂
@@infinitelybanta wait so it's all one big loop... he suggested in his Phantom Menace review that JJ direct Star Wars films. He praised Star Trek 2009, then JJ directed part 7 and 9. @redlettermedia what's good???
Hahaha
@@infinitelybanta the star wars reviews are so hilarious though so it gave birth to something good
And it literally took 12 years to make!
13:50 The reason you had that "Is Riker going to kill Locutus and stay captain" cliff-hanger is specifically BECAUSE Patrick Stewart had ended his three year contract and hadn't renegotiated something new by the time they filmed the episode they had no idea if he was coming back. He'd started with a three year contract and obviously the first two years of that were not the best. In fact he's since said that when he signed on his agent promised him it would be a short job and get cancelled by season three just like the original series. It was the changing of the showrunners and writers and the vast improvements of season 3 (plus a pay rise) that finally talked him into coming back for another 4 years. The result was that when they shot that scene in Best of Both Worlds part 1 they had NOT written a script or even an outline for part 2 and had no idea whether to plan for Picard to be in it, even as a guest star. There was every chance from season 4 onwards Picard would be dead, Riker would be Captain and Shelby would have been inserted as a series regular in Jonathon Frakes former position as he became the new lead for the franchise. It's also why Best of Both Worlds Part 1 was the Riker episode setting him up as possible replacement. Best of Both Worlds part 2 was the "lets pull together to save Earth AND Picard" episode and ending on restoring the status quo.
Makes me wonder how the show could've looked if Stewart decided to go. I quite liked Shelby's character, and the shakeup of the command structure would've been quite interesting to see.
Yes Frakes does not have the “charm” of Stewart. If they had gone without Stewart the show would have been different.
I dare to say it could have been better. At least when they went to movies the character wouldn’t have changed like Stewart’s did.
TV Picard was less “hands on” than movie Picard. When they did movies Stewart had to do more action.
Captain Riker would have been more fun to watch. But actually I like how it all worked out. Riker was never going to get the big chair on Enterprise.
I've also seen from this comment section that the head writer was also debating whether he'd stay after Season 3, and that influenced all the cornered positions the characters ended up in by the end of Part 1.
All this time, I thought Mike was saying Picard became "the cutest" but in fact he was saying "Locutus".
Yeah, my English is not perfect.
Locutus come from the word locution.
"a word or phrase, especially with regard to style or idiom."
PICARD: “I am the cutest of Borg.”
RIKER: “Aw, are you the cutest? Yes you are!”
He’s not wrong
Why do borg have names if they are a hivemind lmfao. Is that just a plot hole everyone ignores or?
@@ExtraVictoryThey usually just have a number designation for a name, to play into the lack of individuality a bit.
I can’t get enough of Mike and Rich talking about Star Trek. Just listening to them talking is better than all of CBS Star Trek combined.
Jay must be in hell
“I’m not watching Star Trek anymore.”
- Rich Evans, 2020
Been a rough year for all of us, Rich Evans.
dan henry it’s been slowly happening for at least 20 or 30 years, progressively getting worse along the way.
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Shinkajo I totally agree.
the reason Worf was so ready to side with the judge in that one episode is that she took advantage of his insecurities over his klingon heritage and implied that he wouldn't be taken seriously as a true Starfleet officer unless she had his complete compliance. Worf was put into the unenviable position of proving his loyalty to Starfleet over one of his people.
Maybe partly, but the main reason is it also plays to his character. Worf does always think there are enemies that must be found and attacked, and the right response to a problem is with force. She gave him a tempting target to fight - a conspiracy on his ship, and initially he says “if” one exists he will find it. In his mind there is nothing wrong with investigating and finding out if there is a problem - he’s security after all. He then eagerly follows the judge down a path of over zealous investigation like a member of the gestapo, and admits he was duped at the end of the episode and he was shocked he willingly helped the judge. We see his instinct to react without thinking and with force ad nauseum in TNG.
He has much better growth on DS9, but even there, that character trait exists: there was that episode where he grumbles about going to Rise with Dax, and ends up being convinced to sabotage the planetary environmental controls with a weird terroroist organisation that believes the federation is decadent for having too much fun and pleasure. Again, he was easily duped, but more than happy to go along with it.
Totally forgot about the "Holodeck turns evil" category.
I would say they would be in the "wacky situations", "morality episodes" or "space anomalies".
Yeah, I never understood why the holofecks continued to function with all the malfunction when I was younger. Now that I'm older I get it, the crew would go insane otherwise, so it was worth it if 20% of the time your senior officers use the holodeck that ot puts them in sever danger
Good point, it gets rid of the problems with cabin fever. Also can keep skills sharp and help with fitness. The amount of porn in there would be off the chain though.
@@cocomaan I feel like they addressed your last point with Barclay
or: you wanted to talk about something different from what they brought up, and failed to find a constructive way to phrase a comment to that effect
I want a Jay camera during the whole episode.
I want an Onlyfans camera of Jay during every episode they talk about only about Trek.
It’s just that last shot of Picard they talked about in this part.
1:01:38
Jay commentary Trek!
He's to busy with his attempted wheelchair accident
Funny story about The Best of Both Worlds: Dad was a military man and went to war between the two episodes (The Gulf). He was not scared about leaving the family, or dying in the war, he was pissed because he was gonna miss the second episode.
Damn, that's some real shit. Those season ending cliffhangers were a real biotch.
@@MortusSweet of course; he probably would have disowned us if not
dying in a war hasnt been that common percentage wise thing to happen for usa side for quite some time.
@@Redmanticore Thankfully that's about to change with China
William Shatner: “What does Mike want with a podcast?”
“Schisms” is a favourite that scared the crap out of me as a kid. The scene where Crusher discovers Riker’s arm has been removed and then reattached still creeps me out.
Same here. I remember having to turn it off midway when they got to the part with the crewmembers trapped halfway between the floor because it scared me so much.
Great episode.
It's pretty great yeah. I actually liked "Where silence has lease" better but I agree that the "cosmic horror" type episodes were among the best.
Same here! "Schisms" gave me nightmares. At the time that show aired I had this irrational fear that aliens were going to abduct me (Yeah, I was a weird kid....) So this episode just happened to play on my worst fears at the time.
I remember I was so freaked out my dad slept in a chair in my room just to calm me after the show. (I was around 5 or 6 at the time I believe.)
Lissbirds that was Data's Day iirc. There's a very similar scene in Schisms though where they find a crewman with all of his blood replaced with a resin glue or some shit. It's equally disturbing.
This is Mike's way of buttering up Rich for Discovery S3
Delete your comment! You will spoil it! :)
No amount of lube is enough for that
He told Rich there would be 3 parts. But when they're done with part 2, he's going to signal Jay lock the doors and force Rich to watch Discovery again.
He's trying to pavlov him
Don't worry, Picard Season 3 will see them through just fine.
That brain-melting "I aM RiCh EvAns." Camera cut at the beginning
0:09 I have no idea how I missed that the first time! Rich Evans has that effect on people I guess.
Rich Evans must have that Liam Neeson clause in his contract. That head swivel is such an exertion on his body that there must be 9 cuts in 2 seconds.
I think the editor was trying to capture his face looking at the camera but Rich kept changing which camera he was looking at so...this was the end result lol
He screwed up the pronunciation so badly, they had to cut together 9 different takes.
I legitimately fall asleep to this every night because nothing makes me fall asleep faster than two old men passionately talking about something they love that I have never seen. Thanks RLM!!!
Me too 😅
@@jamestalbot9190 night troops
No shit! I actually really want to listen to these guys but I always fall asleep
Rather like another of your commenters, I actually want to listen to it but at night in bed when the phone is charging - and hang my sleep. By some strange law of the universe, though, I do fall asleep nearly every single time. By now of course I'm exploiting this to actually fall asleep at night, like yourself, but I still at heart really want to see it all.
Old? They were kids when TNG was aired... They are younger than me, and I'm definitely not old! 😤
"Best of Both Worlds" referring to Riker getting the captain's chair on the Enterprise blew my mind.
That “ryker asking questions” segment is eery foreshadowing for when he did the beyond belief show and started every episode by asking a silly question
Is it possible this comment is true? Yes.
It's true.
You're right, It's fact.
You're right.
You are right.
Yes, it was.
It happened.
You're right again.
If you haven't slowed down the vids of Frakes' Beyond Belief openings to .5 speed and imagined you're listening to a drunk, you haven't ever truly laughed hard
@@Endocrom Not this time. We made it up.
Call me sentimental, but it's actually really nice to see them talk about something that makes them happy instead of miserable.
Mike being miserable, gives me hope that there is justice in this universe.
Agreed, need to heal the pain inflicted by the new garbage that passes for Star Trek these days.
Its nice to see that Mike and Rich can be friends without Mike abusing Rich.
Amen.
Re:view is the show for you then
"Measure of a Man" always bothered me, because Maddox argued that Data was Starfleet property, just like the ship's computer - but nobody seemed to have thought of the very obvious fact that Starfleet does not enroll ships' computers in Starfleet Academy, nor does it appoint them ranks. Therefore, since Starfleet already did do so with Data, it already confirmed 'personhood' on him decades ago.
what about Lore; he wasn't recognized as a person by starfleet ?
Data could have sent his disassembled brother to Maddox for study (and maybe fix his evil tendencies)
Data had so little faith in Maddox, he was either afraid Maddox would irreparably damage his precious, evil brother or that Lore would be too difficult for anyone but Data to contain.
@@PyrokineticFire1 Or that the writers completely forgot about Lore!
Imo the most overrated TNG episode, and a terrible gateway to newcomers. I really like it, but for characters' traits, not plot. As in, it only works its magic when you're already infatuated with the gang.
Also, it gave us all a great lesson in sentience, when it's actually whether Data is sapient that should matter.
I’ll be real, I’m just getting started on TNG. Idk what I’m talking about. That being said, I think they could make the argument that in this very rare case, a computer would be sent through an academy if it was considered valuable for the federation for said computer to learn alongside humans?
3 years later and it's still a pleasure to watch you two geek out about something from your childhood you genuinely still love.
"Best of Both Worlds" is a 3 parter. It's not complete without Picard rolling in the mud with his brother.
Off to bed, without any supper.
Your right it's the final turning point for Picard.
@@notinspectorgadget don't put these images in my mind
4 parter, also wont be complete without knowing that everyone in "Family" died horribly in a fire making that amazing episode completely fucking pointless
SilveR's Channel you mean 3-parter and a movie?
Oh baby, let's get this going.
It's nice to know they finally caved to "JUST PUT MIKE AND RICH IN A ROOM AND MAKE THEM TALK ABOUT STAR TREK THEY LIKE."
Man, it's a shame they stopped making Star Trek in 2005.
Feel better now?
Is it really such a shame, though? Imagine if they horribly fucked it up somehow...
@@christheghostwriter a little.
@@logicplague "Star Trek"
Everytime new shows get bashed, but there is a huge difference between enterprise and later...
I would be so happy if they made an entire series of episodes like this for all the older Trek shows. Hearing them talk about the good era of Star Trek is one of my favorite things on the internet.
Mike had his own “Deja Q” moment when he broke down laughing during Christmas Or Cats. Just an unexplainable descent into mindless laughter.
Its a senior moment.
What could we classify Mike as when he confused Yoda with a garden gnome?
Rich: "Best of Both World's isn't even in my top 10"
You can actually see the disdain on Mike's face when he says that.
ahaha my same exact impression
Its a frustrating time for mike to be a star trek fan
I'm with Rich, important to the overall series sure, but it isn't as much fun to watch on its own as other episodes. It is more 'important' than 'great'.
2:31 You can hear his heart of stone crack a little bit there..."ok ok OK ok."
I'm kind of with Rich there.
But it's hard to be objective since I've watched BoBW like ten times.
I can't believe how right they were about Guinan in season 2 of Picard...
What did they say? I must have missed that part! Can anyone time stamp it for me?
When you said...Troy always sounds like she is reading from a councilor's script....I freaking lost it. Nailed it.
This isn’t a top five... this is therapy after watching all that STD and STP episodes.
Anyone trying to recover from _Star Trash Disaster, Star 'Tard: Picard_ and _Star Wreck: Lower Dreck_ can find the remedy in "Seth Trek" _The Orville_ -- the spiritual successor to ST:TNG.
(Edit: Added ST:LD)
I challenge you not to name your top 5 discovery and Picard episodes, but to just name 5 period.
they had Stone Temple Pilots episodes???
In the water industry, STP means sewage treatment plant.
Hugh tube you mean they were all
Dogshit
Even all the way over here in Florida, I can feel Jay's life essence rapidly draining away.
From what I'm seeing in the news, it looks like everyone's life essence is draining away in Florida as well...
is this gex?
@@Ari--d Yup!
I watched the entire TNG series, every week live when it came out. I remember my home town had a big basketball tournament coming up my sister was involved in and even the hometown coach made sure there were no practices scheduled for the premier of Best of Both Worlds part two. It was a major event in our household.
That's awesome. The show was so good. Especially that storyline
This is why RLM/Mike/Rich/whatever for more than a decade are among the very best things the internet has ever offered. Irresistible and untouchable. Plus, Rich laughing is everything😂
Mike: "This episode of Star Trek reminds me of another episode of earlier Star Trek". It has come full circle. Thank you guys for that, it is fantastic
I was thinking this exact thing, so much of this episode was going on tangents talking about episodes not even on the list, and I loved it.
One hour and two minutes of Jay rolling his eyes to camera. Excellent.
I hope Jay bought eyedrops.
and it's just part 1
"You talk and you talk, but you have no _grandma"_
"Dude, not cool, she died when I was young..."
Worf has the best one-liners. "I am not a merry man!" Come on!!!
Mike: "I picked them based on the ones I like to rewatch"
Also Mike: "It's not a fun rewatch"
I don’t think that was one of his picks.
As much as I like watching Mike and Rich Evans rip into bad Star Trek, I'm loving watching them gush on good Star Trek.
Please do this more often.
The original contract for the actors in TNG only ran for three years - so they could have easily written Picard off during Best of Both Worlds. If memory serves, even the writers didn't know if Patrick Stewart would be back when they wrote part 1 of that episode.
Yeah it is interesting Patrick Stewart was not considered a hip actor back in late season 3, it was the old guy running the enterprise, so the magazine talked about the possibility of Ricker running the ship, on the producers part it was a smart move so Stewart couldn't ask for a huge pay bump, same with the rest of the cast, as they could be replaced at any time or killed off, they had done both by yr 3
I think Rich and Mike are a big reason Star Trek stays trending on Netflix month after month
Welp.. it’s going away now
@@basilsolomon1176 All Good Things...
Either that, or it just being,,ya know… Star Trek?
I swear to god this hour felt like two minutes. It's inspiring listening to you talking so passionately about real Star Trek. I loved your take on "Best of both worlds" about Riker and ambition. This video made me appreciate even more the originality and quality of TNG. Also loved your choices, I love the Drumhead and Deja Q too. Keep it going guys, you represent the true spirit of Star Trek that has lately been so disrespected. Waiting forward to part two :)
Are you suggesting a disruption in the space time continuum?
@@mroctober3657 haha It wouldn't be the first time
I agree completely. On top of that, it just makes me feel sad. I had never seen TNG or DS9, and I watched both all the way through over the last two years. To know we'll probably never get something like that ever again - science fiction that is so very human, well-thought out, and aspirational -, and to be reminded of it through this wonderful and thoughtful analysis, can't help but make me sad.
@@ShockinglyLiterate So true. It seems that drama and action have taken the place of intelligence and reflection. Nowadays audiences are treated as stupid children and I have got used to it but in Star Trek it's really insulting. Star Trek TNG was a show made by smart people for smart people (or at least for people who didn't like Star Wars so much) Now we have STD and STP, shows made by greedy and ignorant people that make the ferengi appear like f**ing Einsteins in comparison.
I love this Podcast
-Bill Shatner
Ahahahhahahaha
I hope this episode will change bill’s mind.
@@nick14braun14 Shatner's not in any of the episodes, so it won't.
@@Corbomite_Meatballs He was in all of the TOS episodes they showed clips of however :) That has to count for something!
@@DarkCyberElf No it won't, because it's not in the first 60 seconds of the video.
its been 2 years, you guys could make another of these videos, you know you want to! The public are hungry for more!!
There hasn't been any good star trek content for over 30 years.
@@andrewthompson6908TNG and DS9 were on 30 years ago…
Best of Both Worlds: I remember watching this live on TV as a boy with my dad. We had watched just about every episode of TNG up to that point. We were ABSOLUTELY RIVETED watching the episode. It got to the cliff hanger ending, and said To Be Continued, and both me and my dad were destroyed. I couldn't believe we actually had to wait ALL SUMMER to see Part 2. It was the greatest moment of TV I've ever experienced, as far as narrative climatic stories that engrossed me totally. What an amazing show!
>Top 5 episodes
>Hour Long
>only part 1
This is the best
Can't wait for Top 6-10 afterwards.
TNG is a big "better times" kind of bitter-sweet. My dad used to turn on the hi-fi hooked up to the TV to watch TNG reruns. Better days.
It used to come on at 9pm where I lived. Bedtime extended to 10pm, just for TNG new episode nights!
Same. My dad used to eat supper watching tng
Would you guys be surprised to learn that extremely competent and talented producer Rick Berman was responsible for Best of Both Worlds not having an official Part 3. He rejected the idea for Best of Both Worlds being a trilogy as the writers originally pitched. The writers obviously knew that they couldn't end a Part 2 with Picard at the absolute lowest point of his life and then just go on to a space anomaly episode next week, which is 100% what Berman wanted. So they pushed extremely hard for them to at least have a Picard storyline next episode dealing with the aftermath.
Roddenberry also hated the conflict between the Picard brothers as he believed that type of interpersonal conflict wouldn't exist in the future... like... what??
Family is a very strong episode and actual catharsis for Picard's trauma. But it could have been even stronger if the producers had recognized that after such an insane pair of episodes that all the characters would need at least one episode to deal with it the aftermath! I would love to have seen Riker having to think about the fact that he had tried to kill his Captain, who was in the end rescued and was not beyond saving. Geordi overworking himself and not sleeping and having an eventual breakdown trying to make the Enterprise Borg-proof. Not to mention the consequences on the Federation itself, since they lost dozens of ships in their fleet and thousands of personnel. This is something DS9 did better - actions generally had far reaching consequences. TNG was way too happy to return to the status quo.
thanks for the fun trivia, and i love your ideas for what the 3rd parter should of been
Crazy how accurate Mike was about Picard season 2 with Whoopi Goldberg and then the younger version using a machine gun lol
Picard goes back in time and gets OK BOOMER'd by his friends. Truly a show ahead of its time
Grrrr
Or: you don't know how to express yourself except through Internet memes
@@Dorian-_-Gray ok boomer
You just summed up the plot of Picard as well. It's just women yelling at Picard for 10 episodes.
Mike is so well groomed, has a Kirk shirt, no in-jokes at the start... Is this made for the specific purpose of showing it to William Shatner?
Even finds a way to bring the Gorn up in the video
Shatner would watch one minute of it and decide he hates it and they're harassing him.
ihig vererdsds it’s also not tos so why would he care
Don't know why Shatner is a douche.
@@lowercase21 cuz hes like 80
"They're gonna bring guinan back for season 2 of picard"
mike was joking, but here we are
The Borg story actually started in Season 1 with the episode "The Neutral Zone" ... Romulan and Federation colonies scooped off the surface. Glad you guys mentioned it. :)
so weird, I now remember this happening but I was under the impression the Borg were in a far out sector never seen by anyone other than Guinans people and was sure the Borg didn't know humans or romulans existed until they chased the enterprise after Q shot them out... I know the outposts were far out, but I thought the Borg were way past unexplored area
@@macrokamusic5971 Could had been a Borg drone or scout vessel.
It was supposed to be the insect race from Conspiracy that was causing the problems on the neutral zone
We (the audience) benefited from the writer's strike and the Roddenberry-Maizlish-Berman power shift -- their original arc was Borg-ice-cream-scoop the colonies, Enterprise encounters Borg, multiple crewmembers abducted, Picard + Data fused into a single amalgam Borg-body (yes, really) -- the way things worked out, with the one-year delay (and Q Who) (and more nuanced Patrick Stewart) was much better.
It's nice to see Mike and Rich experiencing joy again.
TNG's success is primarily about the atmosphere. As stated previously by Mike, It is a world you would like to live in.
Gene's vision of the future was so deeply optimistic; it shows and that helps us to feel positive about the future. Feels good man.
play domjot humon?
I want a t-shirt that says, "You talk and you talk, but you have no grandma."
I can’t even begin to imagine how many times I’ve watched these RLM episodes
This is one of the best RUclips videos honestly
All those categories mike names and he doesn’t have one for “episodes where the holodeck malfunction”.
What about holodeck fantasy episodes?
"Episodes where the holodeck OR transporter malfunction" would be a better combo category.
True, but they also forgot the ‘meeting a god-like being episode’ that was a favourite of Roddenberry’s
That's right, he doesn't, and we come to this channel to watch him talk, not read you whining
Dorian Gray Whining about whining is still whining.
Don’t go into the comments if you don’t want to read comments.
Are Jay and Josh gonna talk about their favorite 18 episodes of Twin Peaks: The Return next?
I’d be totally on board for that
Here for that
Yaaaaaas.
Both their number 1s are gonna be Fire Walk With Me
I was going to make a post on the RLM subreddit about this. I’d love him and Josh to talk about The Return and possibly dive deeper into the original 2 seasons than what they did on the Fire Walk With Me re:View. Also just more David Lynch stuff in general. Talk about his weird RUclips channel!!!
I watched the ENTIRE series to be able to follow this. I think I started just after this re:View was uploaded, and watched the last episode yesterday, so it took me more than a year. It was fun.
Same, picked up seasons 2 and 3 from a thrift store and ended up getting the whole series. Just watched the final episode. Probably about a year or so. Even single episode is memorable and makes you think. 1st season is kind of weird but watched 2-5, 1 then 6 and 7. Probably gonna pick up original series. Also was happy to finally watch these videos
I can't stop watching these.. over and over.
A network show would have a team of researchers digging through episodes to find excerpts that match, and illustrate, the points that the hosts are making. You know that Mike pulled all these out of his own head in 5 minutes.
His knowledge about the show is impressive.
Back in 1990 I was in the Navy, and was a huge TNG fan. I remember watching "The Best of Both Worlds" pt. 1. A couple of months after this episode aired, I was shipped off to participate in Desert Shield and Desert Storm. I didn't get to watch part two until 1992, when my enlistment ended. Two years!
Thank you for your service!
@@wedgethx No need for sarcasm
@@LosBerkos Boooo
War is hell, my friend.
Two years! Were you able to find out what happened while you were deployed or did you have to wait till you got home?
I had to go quickly watch every episode of Star Trek.
Im back and ready to chuckle along with my favorite movie jokesters
Forgot about Troi's frizzy hair and older style Trek uniform from the pilot episode. I kinda like that look.
I know... Marina has flat said "I'm wearing a short dress and Go Go boots"
The best line in “Tapestry” is when Q comes in saying, “Flowers! Is there a Gene Luck Pickerd?”
"...punctual" is the line that always kills me.
I know these lines are coming, but I bust out laughing every time. It always gets me. The only other thing like that is the turtle and horses in "Blue Shadows" scene in "3 Amigos."
Let's be fair, Mike. Discovery also has:
2. Crying
3. Technobabble
And putting a guy in charge whose first instinct with everything is to flee and only a few years earlier lived in a mud hut on a beach.
Star Trek is known for techno-babble. Discovery just uses babble.
Michael Burnham makes us have fond memories of those ST:NG "Wesley Crusher saves the ship" episodes.
Picard on ST:P makes us have fond memories of Star Trek: Discovery.
@@SidneyBroadshead Exactly. Remember when Star Trek had science advisors to make sure what they were talking about is plausible? I think they were gone by the time Voyager filmed.
"Stop crying Tilly, we have to repolarize the field of the tachyon emission dish before the nebulonic cirrhosis effect reaches critical"
*Michael walks in and taps the computer console six times. The spatial anomaly returns to normal and every white man in the Alpha Quadrant dies painfully*
Mike and Rich talking about tng is really all I need in my life
16:38 - Mike accurately predicts ST:Picard season 2
"She's a very handsome woman". The line Shattner used when he thought Mike was a hot single lady a bar by mistake.
I love all RLM content, but god damn is watching them talk about things they actually like uplifting.
It's weird, isn't it? These two cynical bastards getting gleeful.
But they're right, it is good and now I want to watch TNG again
@@slangislayer They made me to start watching the show. TNG clanky at first couple seasons, but elevates as they goes on. Worth it.
I watched all of them on Netflix in about two weeks. What an amazing show.
Jesus. I’ve seen “The Drumhead” a million times, but probably not for 15 years or so. I actually almost have tears from the clip at 33:27 when Picard says “What you’re doing here is unethical.” He’s soo good! The writing was amazing! I feel so grateful that I grew up being able to watch this level of quality!
Drumhead -- though a great episode -- is partially stolen from the McCarthy Trials -- specifically the Joe Welch confrontation, where McCarthy accused Welch of harboring a Communist (one of his junior staff, Fred Fisher, who had joined a lawyers' organization with some loose socialist ties) -- at the end of which, Welch erupted "Have you, at least, no sense of decency, sir," and castigated McCarthy for attempting to smear a young man's reputation as witch-hunt ammo. Doesn't make the TNG story any less compelling, but the 1954 Welch-McCarthy inspiration is even better, and well worth watching.
Mike saying, "I'm so glad coronavirus happened," in response to how awful Star Trek Picard was is probably the most Mike thing to ever happen
ST:Picard has just begun
@@mkocinema2012 was, is, whatever! It's like saying a dog with diarrhea has only _just begun_ voiding its bowels. The first squirts are still awful lol
@@mkocinema2012 How? He's dead. It should be Star Trek: Android at this point.
i see the future: even Patrick Stewart quits from his own show because of the abysmal ratings, so they hire a female picard to replace him
@@draykeblack Oh
16:00 Troi is a very realistic character if you think about it. She joined Star Fleet to get away from her mother and to be with her boyfriend. She was like hey I'll be a councilor because I'm empathic (like taking a french class when you are from France in an English speaking country). Her boyfriend dumps her so really she doesn't give that much of a crap, she can coast through it and hold down the job while she puts herself back together. And that's Troi's arc, she ends up learning how to be Troi without a guy (becomes bridge officer, has other relationships, confronts her mom) and then in the end gets back together with her Man and has a family. She's happy, we're happy.
Just don't have her take the helm. They really had no clue what to do with Troi in the movies.
Burnt tomato!
you forgot about the time she confronts her mom
Greg Bauer or Beverly Crusher.
...and Marina Sirtis hated her.. i think it was all those pat textbook answers..
RLM, are you guys reading these comments? Seriously, start a podcast or patreon videos or weekly episodes here on youtube for TNG and DS9. The fan base is seriously here for this. I'd pay to hear two old men with paper drone on about Star Trek.
I just thought of something. I think they recognize the lines in the sand and are avoiding burning out too fast on it all. There are only so many episodes to talk about. I say give them time.
ugh no
"I'm so glad corona virus happened." ~Mike S.
I'm shocked 😲 really
Tapestry hits me hard because it feels like I've settled in to being the cautious Lieutenant who never took chances so now I have to live vicariously through Rich Evans.
It didn't click with me until after I watched it a few times - young Jean-Luc Picard was almost exactly like Kirk. He's handsome, he's intelligent, he's single, he sleeps around, he punches people, he calls older women "handsome", he gets drunk, he uses a phaser, he travels the galaxy, he punches people, he bangs his classmate in his bedroom, women love him, he goes on adventures, he punches people, -he's accused of killing his best friend and getting away with it- , and so on!
Greg Bauer Most underrated comment ever
@@gregbauer4433 I think it has been established that Kirk was like older Picard in his youth, a bit of a kill joy, and then loosened up
Yeah. It too often hits close to home.
Yes, [Tapestry] inspired me to try taking some responsibilities.
Ellen didn't pay respect to Dick the Birthday Boy and now she is cancelled.
“Karma’s gonna get you back!”
Both Mike and Ellen have felt his wrath
No crossing Rich Evans - he’s an untouchable Hollywood sicko
@@assvibes3866 with vibes like yours I have no choice but to believe you
So is it now RLM canon that, because Ellen is basically cancelled, Rich Evans is no longer famous?
@@RegularCupOfJoe questions, questions that need answering!
Your star trek commentary is such a delight each and every single time!
The third season of TNG was by far the best. So many great episodes concluded with the cliffhanger ending of The Best Of Both Worlds, which was indirectly referred to in Galaxy Quest. “Activate the Omega 13.”
To the point about the Borg being set up in season 1, that was actually the plan. But the writers strike happened.
Originally The Borg were supposed to premiere Season 2, and "Best of Both Worlds" was supposed to cliffhanger end season 2.
So not only did the writers strike impact those plans, but it also slashed the budget to the point where the season 2 finale came, they were so out of money for the season that the network actually insisted they do a clip show to reduce costs... so that awful "Shades of Grey" episode was actually Paramount's fault.... when we could have (and should have) had a much better season than we got.
Ironically, some of the best eps to come out of that season were because they were forced to get outside writers. "Measure of a Man" for instance was written by a lawyer, not a Hollywood writer. Her very first screenplay I believe, and she absolutely NAILED it. Sometimes you just stumble onto pure gold.
I'm almost positive there were hints dropped in season 1 or 2 that Lore either created the Borg or knew about them and went to join them, which is kinda corroborated by the whole Borg cult thing that happens later. I can't remember exactly what he says but he basically describes the Borg to Data and asks him to join him. I'm a little shaky on my early TNG knowledge, I usually start with season 3.
Thanks for writing this out! Even having never watched Star Trek, this comment is so interesting!
@@ThePhobicSuperior No, the Borg were originally designed to be hive mind insects. A enemy so alien and so strong, that the Federation would have needed to work together with the Romulans to beat them. But that design was way to expensive so they switched to Cyborgs (very en vogue back then) and the Romulan involvement was slashed with the short season 2 because of the writers strikes.
Holy shit, I could listen to Mike and Rich talking about TNG 24/7.
Same
"They're going to dig her [Guinan] up for Picard season 2 and she's going to run around with a machine gun..."
Mike's not wrong...
I've never seen an episode of Picard or Discovery thanks to the RLM videos (and a couple of the Drinker's too) showing what travesties and insults both shows are. Watching these fun TNG episodes here makes me even more grateful for that. Thanks guys 🖖