I got rid of my Mac Studio for a fully upgraded IPad Pro. I don’t regret it at all. I take this thing everywhere and use it every single day. It’s my favorite device. I use it for personal use and for work as well. I am in education.
I use my iPad Pro as my everyday carry as well as my school computer. I teach, enter grades and take care of any school business with this device only. Once they gave us stage manager I was all set.
I went iPad only about 4 years ago and have had to this year add a MacBook back in the equation. My problem hasn’t been iPad performance but rather the lack of a desktop class browser. When I see these videos of iPad performance it often companies video editing and other performance specs. I’ve found those to be great (and my iPad was out performing my MacBook at the time which is what caused my original transition to the iPad. But try using chrome or safari on OS for basic tasks like, Logging into most banks and performing an advanced function, or…. Google sheets. I know many of these have native iOS apps but they also tend to limit their apps to mobile functions. IMO with the number of applications that are web based the number one thing apple could do for iPad os is sign it as the same browser as desktop safari (and before anyone comments back that you can say request desktop site…. Trying that either many websites like Quickbooks or google wont get you a difference experience.
I only want chromium support for desktop class browser support on my ipad so that i can use indian govt websites on my ipad as the most third world countries also optimise their websites for chromium browsers. Only desktop level can make ipad useful to me so that i can also use web apps to the fullest, also we can add any extension that are available on other platforms.
💯, the lack of a proper desktop browser experience is my number one pain point. Open Google Drive. It opens a low resolution, not optimized screen, with a « d1ckbar » at the top saying to open Google Drive app. The Google Drive app itself is limited, slow, does not respect the usability conventions of iOS, etc. Try using Google Docs in the browser. Every time I add accents for French or Spanish using the English International keyboard, the website freezes. This forces me to move to the app, which is terrible. The d1ckbar takes screen space, etc. Open Notion. It will force it to open on a tablet mode that doesn’t give the same flexibility of the real desktop version. Consider Miro, who does not open in the Browser but has a nice app, which itself is a webview. Then open a Miro board at the same time that Notion or Google Docs (those three are real examples of work/pro apps, with desktop and native sites/apps). Apple will limit web views that take more than 15% of memory (something like this), so if I copy a paragraph of text from Docs in the clipboard, and try to paste in Miro, either the Miro board won’t open or it will reload.
This is why I sold my iPad Pro and bought a macbook pro, it can do the same without the limitations and with a cheap graphics tablet I can even do drawings and notes on my macbook and for the other stuff I got my iPhone. Its just waste of money.
Loving my iPad Pro M1 12.9 5G very much. Replaced the battery last week since the battery health is about 70%. Hopefully it will have a good run for another 3-5 more years ahead.
9:15 The versatility is matched by Surface Pro which is both a laptop and a tablet with a full version of Windows: full functionality office apps, the ability to program on it, all the specialized tools! It is sad to see all the power of M4 go to waste because of limitations of iPad OS and its apps.
Well said, I have a Surface Pro 9 with 512GB with 16GB and am LOVING the laptop/tablet hybrid and functionality of it. I also LOVE how it is a touch screen, which I believe adds to the ease of use. That's why when I was looking for an iPad to purchase(haven't had one in years), I decided to get the 11 inch iPad Pro M4 1TB as I would be using it when I'm in bed & prefer something lighter for extended use. I did purchase a Magic Keyboard for it and it's great to type out messages on messaging apps, etc but after using it I just prefer to use the Surface Pro when using Word, Excel etc and getting another 13 inch device would seem redundant to. At the end of the day whatever your personal use case is and what you want out of the device etc❤
Fernando the real answer is still NO, for the most part yes it works great for many productivity and content consumption but if you ever have to use a government website, an education website, even renewing your drivers insurance discount, the programs might struggle. This is the reason why I bought a MacBook Air M1 last year with no regrets.
I have been using the M1 iPad Pro as my only personal computer for the past 3 years now and I thoroughly enjoy the experience. However, I am awaiting the launch of the M4 MacBook Air, as the operating system limitation that I occasionally run into is quite major. The most recent limitation that I have run into was when I needed to take a proctor exam and the software could only run on Windows or Mac OS. Now, luckily I had my wife’s MacBook Air that I could utilise. I’ll need to do a lot more proctor exams in the future and I will need to get a replacement for my personal computer soon, so for my application, having a device that runs Mac OS is going to work better for me.
I love my iPadPro 13 with 1TB. The upgrade from the M1 was big for lighter weight, the Pencil Pro which is the Pencil experience I wanted from the first Pencil. It is now my ebook reading device (I put it in airplane mode when reading). I have it next to my MBP for quick research or lookup or sketching notes or diagram ideas. It is a killer device for me. 🐬
AGAIN: on android tablets you can do more computer stuff like burning an iso and even virtualizating windows 10 or 11 or even using wine to run windows games IPads doesn't even have the capabilities of a true tablet that's why even the file manager is more restricted than on a normal full fledged tablet
I have used an iPad Pro in the past as my only computer. I have had one complaint since I tried this back in 2019 and it's the inability to have 2 audio sources playing at once. I know this is a niche thing, but I often play podcasts in the background while I am either editing or making music, and in the past I would watch school videos while I listen to music. Overall, it's definitely doable to use it as a computer. Most people don't update hardware devices like a Line 6 Helix from their computer. For everyday computing tasks, the iPad is great. I also love the fact that you can pull the iPad off of the Magic Keyboard and take that beautiful screen around with you.
I’ve gone all in with a iPad Pro M4 and for my particular use case it does almost everything. It’s definitely more than a consumption device as I’ve got my guitar connected via an audio interface, I’m learning to draw and do some photography as well. Mine is connected to a second screen with mouse and keyboard when I’m using it as a computer and if I unplug my usb hub then it’s back to being a great tablet. It’s probably wise to keep an old laptop around but in the past year I’ve only used mine for a firmware update for the audio interface. The thing is this can be a really old/low spec device that costs very little. Sure if you want to do coding or AAA gaming then the iPad isn’t a good choice but that doesn’t mean it’s no good for anyone. A sports car is terrible off road but if you never go off road then it doesn’t matter! The iPad is a great fit for some people and I happen to be one of them.
Not a compromise. If I’m going to be working on coding or some larger project, I’m not doing on a laptop, I’m doing in my dedicated work environment with multiple monitors and multiple desktop machines. And if for some reason I absolutely need to gain access to a desktop OS, that’s what my VPN and remote desktop are for. Doing some basic fun video work, practicing my digital stick-figure drawing, internet browsing, shopping, media consumption (including reading), typing up notes, working with electronic documents, basic photo editing, making memes, all work fantastically well on the iPad pro with the option of hand-held, with or without the pencil, or with a keyboard. Would I take a touch-enabled MacOS over iPad OS? Absolutely. But I don’t * need * it.
Yeah, I agree accept kindles are far better for reading so there isn't even that.. if one can get most of their work done on an ipad then while that's great they probably don't have that "heavy" of a workload or lower expections/experience with productivity tools. Productivity wise, I consider the iPad horrible - the reviewer even said it's "great" cause it's so limited that it keeps you on task LOL. I always come to these types of vids cause the iPad annoys me lol - it clearly has the capabilities but is the only product I can really think of that is purposefully hamstrung so aggressively.
@@mopnem I get ebooks in epub intentionally from anywhere other than Amazon and only read in dark mode. The iPad Pro's screen is far easier to read than a kindle. On top of that, I also use Panels for comics/graphic novels and Kindle can't get even laughably close to the iPad for that. The iPad is perfectly fine for productivity until you need two full-screen apps up at once, then you're going to have to have a second monitor regardless. If you need a program that doesn't run on iPadOS then guess what? You aren't using an iPad anyway. But you're here with a selection bias to troll so not sure why I'm bothering.
The only reason I can’t use iPad as a replacement is google sheets and excel. Google sheets doesn’t allow you to have multiple sheets up. Excel allows it but it’s just not as robust on browser or software. Wish they would change that.
Still rocking my 2020 iPad Pro without the M-chip 😢 but it’s held up for 4 years and I eventually got myself a MacBook Air M1. iPad is still a heavy hitter in my work.
Having been an iPad power user since the first model came out, I can safety say that for the vast majority of people almost any iPad model can replace the computer. If you start with asking what type of tasks do you want to use the device for, you will find most are basic tasks. And if they just practice enough on using the iPad they will find out how easy it is for most tasks. And given that so many of us have a computer at work, we can always use that device when the functionality of the work on the iPad is a bit to complex (or limited even with a mouse or trackpad).
I agree that it makes more sense to compare and contrast the iPad Pros as an alternative to the MacBook Pros rather than the Air. This is not only because of the comparable pricing range, but also because of the specs, pro-motion display, superior screen quality, and better speaker quality that those devices have over their Air counterparts.
You know what would make iPad even more like a computer? Not displaying everything huge when I connect my ultrawide external monitor. I’ve got glasses- I see well enough, thank you Apple.
It simply doesn’t have the software. You don’t even need to be some sort of business professional. Want to use RUclips with Adblock and sponsorblock? SOL. Want to torrent? SOL. Chromium extensions? SOL. Tons of apps are also way worse than than their desktop versions. VLC, discord, Amazon, RUclips, Excel, Outlook, there’s no end. Plus iPad doesn’t really have a desktop, no true directory access (music you own has to be loaded into Music by plugging iPad into a real computer, for example), window management is terrible regardless of stage manager.
That's the problem when techies like yourself who come from a desktop paradigm and try to shoehorn that paradigm into every device. Go buy a Windows PC or Mac if that's what you want.
@@shameermuljiwhat’s the real world scenario for iPads then? I can add Photoshop to the list above. It’s a professional app on the macOS and a ridiculous playground to improve selfies on the iPadOS.
@@sigiligus here’s the thing: I use an ipad air for school work, work, paper snd research writing, etc. I love the fact that it has limitations on multiple open screens. I’ve gotten a lot of theological research dine without “watching a movie while writing a paper” like I did when I had a laptop in college. I also use the browser version of amazon for shopping, etc. The ipad isn’t for everyone but it is for others.
I have an M2 Mac mini (16 GB RAM/512 SSD) & an M1 iPad Air as my portable computer (keyboard/mouse/Logitech Crayon); which I really like using with Freeform for design ideation with notes & color-coding.
The way I see it, the iPad Pro I use is more of an alternative instead of a replacement for a MacBook. It definitely can replace the MacBook for certain things, but definitely not everything. Like for me I can take my iPad Pro with magic keyboard in lieu of a MacBook for most things on the go like taking notes, word processing, etc. But in terms of true multitasking with a lot of things and more intensive apps that don't run on the iPad, then I'll use the Macbook.
I have the baseline iPad Pro M4 and it does everything I need from it. It is my laptop and I love the functionality, and beauty of it. All the best Fernando 🐬
I have two iPads: an iPad Air 6 (13 inch) and a new iPad mini 7. I also have a Mac Mini M1. Ideally, I would like to get to be able to use only iOS devices. My major usage for all my devices is media consumption (video and reading books (Kindle) and magazines (Readly)) and writing and reviewing articles. For my writing tasks I use Markdown (Taio app) and plain text (Textastic app on iOS and BBEdit app on macOS). For my usage there is only one issue holding me back - data backup. When you use iOS devices iCloud is realistically your only backup (I know you can in theory manually backup iCloud based files to an external storage device, but you would only do it once). On macOS there are multiple backup options. I use iCloud, Time Machine and and external SSD (using an app called Get Backup Pro (really, really good app). So I would be interested to know what you use for your data backup. Regards, Peter
I’m not necessarily looking for it to replace a laptop. Now, for me, I basically could but, I understand that the iPad will never be a MacBook so, I have decided to learn how to do what I would normally do on a laptop on an iPad. My current iPad is the 13 inch iPad Air. Since getting it, my MacBook had just sat on my desk so, I ended up selling it. I will say the 13 inch would be easier to replace a laptop with rather than the 11 inch.
For me, the ipad works really well as laptop replacement, but only because its not my main machine (desktop windows). For 90-95% iPad OS is completely fine or even better than a laptop would be (Notetaking for example). For the rest i can simply remote on my pc and have better performance than i would on any laptop including M4 MacBooks on a machine with really good battery life and no noise with the only requirement being good enough wifi.
I see these type of videos all the time. I do wonder how often someone has no computer or iPad and now has to decide which one to get. If I had no computer, I would get one of those first. When it is paid off, I would add an iPad, since I like using both and a Mac does not replace the iPad as tablet.
Although the iPad Pro isn’t a Mac replacement for me, it is great value for the money. I have an iPad Pro 2018 and it still works like a charm. At the moment I use it as an additional monitor for my MacMini.
And you didnt even mention the cameras in the iPad versus Macbook Air! Love your video! For me, even the small form factor iPad is sufficient as I use an Apple Studio Display for work at home and when I need a larger screen for some tasks. And the combination of touchscreen on iPad and large screen with the Studio Display is amazing. For on the go the 11 inch iPad is totally fine for everything I need to do!
Mac mini m2 (bought 5 months ago) on my office desk & iPad Pro M1 around the world… with Magic Keyboard and Apple Pencil . Was iPad only for 3.5 years… got frustrated with the work arounds all the time and thought of buying Mac Mini… happy with the setup where I alternate between the two seamlessly with iCloud storage being at the helm of everything… both are gr8 devices however, I have a small regret of not waiting for another 5 months and buying the even miniaturised Mac mini
🐬 Fernando is the absolute BEST Apple tech RUclipsr! He is the reason I upgraded my iPad Pro to the M4 with 1TB 13" version and I have zero regrets! Love that machine!
I still wish Mac OS was an option on the iPad Pro. Or at least being able to install Mac OS applications. I use Parsec to remote into a workstation and still no iOS app.
I’m doing more and more with my iPad and less and less with my Mac. It’s been a gradual progression. I do think for many Mac users that ultimately the iPad will be the way to go as a primary or possibly only device in 3-5 years. It’s light years beyond where the first iPad was. Have you thought of a parallel channel called 9 to 5 iPad?
I have a M4 iPad Pro 11-inch 1TB model and it will never be a computer replacement due to iPad OS limitations such as, no desktop class browser, I can't run fully functional VMs on it and no sideloading app capabilities like Mac OS, but it is superb for playing games, media content consumption, and some Logic Pro work. I plan to get a Mac Mini M4 Pro with max CPU and GPU core count, at least 1TB SSD and 10 Gbit/s ethernet. I use a Windows 11 Tablet PC as my mobile computer as it has essential touch display and stylus support. The MacBook's limited UI makes it an expensive desktop PC, so I would rather spend my money on a Mac Mini or Mac Studio if more performance required.
I have a 11 inch iPad Pro 2020 model, i use it daily for emails, word documents, online training modules, general use like Netflix, RUclips ect. I also enjoy some gaming on it too, Such as. Balatro, NorthGard, Wreckfest, COD Mobile and some Strawdew Valley. I am looking forward to the next generation of iPad Pro M5, i really hope this next generation has 2x Type C Ports, there is no reason why they cant do that, older Samsung tabs had that. I also want Thunder port 5 to use for external monitors/SDD.
Tbh : you can’t , a mac is a mac I was using an iPad for 2 years eventually I got frustrated because of the limitations and got a Mac book pro M4Pro , it’s an excellent companion but can’t replace your mac , may be could shift it once in a while or do back and forth but no replacement ever .
the main real problem with the ipad is the lack of a desktop class browser and the inability to use non safari engines (webkit) for some websites that don't work with it. they might be relatively rare but they exist and so a laptop always needs to be nearby. if apple allowed non-webkit browsers, etc., i'd love to move full time to one...oh well
I've thought about trying Paperlike for years. What stops me is that every bloody time I have ever tried a screen protector, I get bubbles. I have never ever seen a screen protector applied as good as in the commercials. I'd be interested to hear any real world success stories with this stuff.
Don't overthink it. Do you plan on using the iPad in a keyboard case? Buy a Mac or PC instead. Do you plan on using it as a tablet? Great, now just figure out how much iPad you need and what you're willing to spend.
With the Mac mini m4 or mba with 16gb ram, I will still pick an iPad but either 13 air or 11 pro only. Currently I have m4 mini at home, mba m2 16gb ram at work and iPad Pro 13” with magic kb.
For a lot of things it could replace it. At my job I run windows on my Mac for trouble shooting networking systems so it can’t replace it. I wish it could though.
Hi.. please since you have the ipad pro with the 1 tb did you try to install windows 10 or 11 on it ! Since they require min. 8Gb of memory to work on utb !
What bothers me the most about iPads beyond the mini is that battery life. For the price point directly competing and surpassing prices of a Mac laptop....it doesn't make sense. iPads have been stuck with 10hr battery life forever which in reality daily use cannot be truly 10 hours. A MacBook Air is a much more sensible choice for a well rounded machine that has a ton more functionality, real OS, that keyboard, a serious battery, and is very mobile. The price is so close that it's a no brainer to just get an MBA. Do I have an iPad? yes, and iPad mini 6th gen and its fantastic. Need an apple pencil? well an apple pencil can't be used on a MacBook. So neither can replace another. Rather it's an alternative, a sidekick.
The short answer is…. Yes, unless you need to do more than shopping lists Excel - the user experience is far too buggy and the functionality just isn’t there for anything more; And you don’t want to add a monitor - because the keyboard shortcuts don’t work when you connect. But for all email, web-browsing, PPT, etc etc it’s fine. With a tiny bit of effort (NOT even MacOS) Apple could make the iPad Functionality up to 95% as good as a laptop, but in a better form factor. Come on!
given the 1TB, ive started using my ipad pro as a storage device and content consumption / clash of clans. the mac mini/Mac OS is too good compared to ipad os
Compromise, I've found. I heard you in the pod the other day mention how you went for the 1tb for the first time ever, simply due to the RAM (and P core). I tried, have the studio display/cal digit etc. the OS is just such a pronounced limiting factor that I had to get a mac mini.
I just wish it had 720Hz touch sample rate, and a way to remove ALL animations like on Android. Ive used ROG Phone 5, and removing animations made it insanely snappy. And with M4 och A18 Pro, it would feel like heaven. But now, animations make it feel sluggish on iOS/iPadOS. Yes, im impatient AF
Fantastic video. I so appreciate your honesty. I also love the iPad and use it all the time and I also use macOS. They are different and I appreciate you pointing that out.
If you were just using your iPad for like email websites and just regular online activity, I guess it could work as a computer. However, if you need to be able to install a specialized software or just random software in general, you’re much better off with just a Mac or a regular PC hell even Linux is a much better choice. I also still believe that the iPad would be much better off running macOS this way you can remove all of those software limitations because that is the biggest problem with the iPad is just a software limitations and how lockdown it is. 😢
iPad Mini: iPadOS iPad: iPadOS iPad Air: MacOS iPad Pro: MacOS Break things down like this, and I’d be super happy. Gives everyone a choice in device if they insist that iPadOs / a dumbed down OS is best for them and those like myself that just want a touchscreen, slate Mac that is like a surface.
I wonder Fernando… with Apple’s push to Apple Intelligence, along with Mark Gurman’s rumors of an LLM Siri in iOS 19.4-ish if they will bring the iPad Pro up to a standard 16 gig RAM at base prices, instead of being able to get that only if you upgrade to the 1 tb configuration? I guess this would mean that my idea would not happen until M5 comes out for it then?
yeah i think it comes down to the use case and what devices you currently own. I have an M1 ipad pro 128gb and its fine for me as I also use an M1 mac mini 512gb with one of those expansion docks for storage and ports at home.
I have a M4 iPad Pro and I like it for what it can do - it's a real speed demon but there is one area where I still can't use any iPad and that is with my 3D printer and prusaslicer. That software hasn't been released for the iPad and it's a shame with all that power. (Not blaming Apple for that - just noting that it's the one BIG thing I have to defer to my MacBook Pro (Also now an M4). Along that line - software installs are limited to what Apple will allow - unless you get a developer's license - and still it's not as easy as downloading a DMG installer. Interestingly I have cell service on my iPad and do use it on the go and that's a big plus when I want a big screen and am not near any wifi hotspots. (Yeah- could use my iPhone as that hotspot, but....)
anyone else find that the iPadPro struggles with multiple google doc/sheets/slides tabs in its browser? the app alternatives are complete garbage. I know that youtubers use these for content creation but many use it for more traditional jobs and its frustrating to know that it can process multimedia with no problem but slows down to a crawl when too many google suite windows are open.
Tbh stage manager was better in its original version that was more streamlined and controlled. Now it’s closer to being clunkier like window management is on macOS
Final Cut launched on iPad in may 2023 yet 19 months later you still can’t use third party plugins with it davinci resolve launched on iPad December 2022 January 2023 motionvfx launched minstaller how can apple not have third party plugins on their own flagship editing software nearly 2 years after launch ?
Viewers should always remember this channel is promoting a grift for both itself and Apple. Also, this thing will never be a laptop, because a laptop's #1 job is to remain ON your lap - this thing with the keyboard will fall over all the time. Battery also sucks.
iPad is super sexy..but sexy just wont cut it..they made a Ferrari with 10inch rims..Surface Pro made it 2in1..but as apple is still making a huge profit they wont put a MacOS on the iPad...but that would be the best product in the world..
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I got rid of my Mac Studio for a fully upgraded IPad Pro. I don’t regret it at all. I take this thing everywhere and use it every single day. It’s my favorite device. I use it for personal use and for work as well. I am in education.
I use my iPad Pro as my everyday carry as well as my school computer. I teach, enter grades and take care of any school business with this device only. Once they gave us stage manager I was all set.
Bro do ms exel tableau power bi like things run same on ipad pro as on laptop..?
Do you use MS team app for giving a lecture?
I went iPad only about 4 years ago and have had to this year add a MacBook back in the equation. My problem hasn’t been iPad performance but rather the lack of a desktop class browser.
When I see these videos of iPad performance it often companies video editing and other performance specs. I’ve found those to be great (and my iPad was out performing my MacBook at the time which is what caused my original transition to the iPad.
But try using chrome or safari on OS for basic tasks like, Logging into most banks and performing an advanced function, or…. Google sheets. I know many of these have native iOS apps but they also tend to limit their apps to mobile functions. IMO with the number of applications that are web based the number one thing apple could do for iPad os is sign it as the same browser as desktop safari (and before anyone comments back that you can say request desktop site…. Trying that either many websites like Quickbooks or google wont get you a difference experience.
I rarely find a site that does not work on iPadOS as as it does MacOS with Safari.
I only want chromium support for desktop class browser support on my ipad so that i can use indian govt websites on my ipad as the most third world countries also optimise their websites for chromium browsers. Only desktop level can make ipad useful to me so that i can also use web apps to the fullest, also we can add any extension that are available on other platforms.
For the few sites that don't work with Safari, or when I need to use dev tools or test in multiple browsers, I use Kasm Browser. Cheap and works.
💯, the lack of a proper desktop browser experience is my number one pain point. Open Google Drive. It opens a low resolution, not optimized screen, with a « d1ckbar » at the top saying to open Google Drive app. The Google Drive app itself is limited, slow, does not respect the usability conventions of iOS, etc.
Try using Google Docs in the browser. Every time I add accents for French or Spanish using the English International keyboard, the website freezes. This forces me to move to the app, which is terrible. The d1ckbar takes screen space, etc.
Open Notion. It will force it to open on a tablet mode that doesn’t give the same flexibility of the real desktop version.
Consider Miro, who does not open in the Browser but has a nice app, which itself is a webview. Then open a Miro board at the same time that Notion or Google Docs (those three are real examples of work/pro apps, with desktop and native sites/apps). Apple will limit web views that take more than 15% of memory (something like this), so if I copy a paragraph of text from Docs in the clipboard, and try to paste in Miro, either the Miro board won’t open or it will reload.
@@gmgryan the 13 inch iPad Pro supports full safari support like a Mac
Love how you’re such an iPad fan 🫶🏻
As long as the Ipad is running the ipad Os, it will never replace a laptop.
This is why I sold my iPad Pro and bought a macbook pro, it can do the same without the limitations and with a cheap graphics tablet I can even do drawings and notes on my macbook and for the other stuff I got my iPhone. Its just waste of money.
At my desk, my MBP, everywhere else, my iPad Pro. Glad I don't have to make a one or another choice. They are both great devices.
Loving my iPad Pro M1 12.9 5G very much. Replaced the battery last week since the battery health is about 70%. Hopefully it will have a good run for another 3-5 more years ahead.
How much did that battery replacement run you for?
@@patrickjohnduncan8477 USD 204
9:15 The versatility is matched by Surface Pro which is both a laptop and a tablet with a full version of Windows: full functionality office apps, the ability to program on it, all the specialized tools! It is sad to see all the power of M4 go to waste because of limitations of iPad OS and its apps.
Well said, I have a Surface Pro 9 with 512GB with 16GB and am LOVING the laptop/tablet hybrid and functionality of it. I also LOVE how it is a touch screen, which I believe adds to the ease of use. That's why when I was looking for an iPad to purchase(haven't had one in years), I decided to get the 11 inch iPad Pro M4 1TB as I would be using it when I'm in bed & prefer something lighter for extended use. I did purchase a Magic Keyboard for it and it's great to type out messages on messaging apps, etc but after using it I just prefer to use the Surface Pro when using Word, Excel etc and getting another 13 inch device would seem redundant to. At the end of the day whatever your personal use case is and what you want out of the device etc❤
Fernando the real answer is still NO, for the most part yes it works great for many productivity and content consumption but if you ever have to use a government website, an education website, even renewing your drivers insurance discount, the programs might struggle. This is the reason why I bought a MacBook Air M1 last year with no regrets.
I have been using the M1 iPad Pro as my only personal computer for the past 3 years now and I thoroughly enjoy the experience. However, I am awaiting the launch of the M4 MacBook Air, as the operating system limitation that I occasionally run into is quite major. The most recent limitation that I have run into was when I needed to take a proctor exam and the software could only run on Windows or Mac OS. Now, luckily I had my wife’s MacBook Air that I could utilise. I’ll need to do a lot more proctor exams in the future and I will need to get a replacement for my personal computer soon, so for my application, having a device that runs Mac OS is going to work better for me.
I have the Air 5 and the Logitech Combo keyboard and found it's an ideal travel setup when I'm making short trips (much easier to get through TSA).
I love my iPadPro 13 with 1TB. The upgrade from the M1 was big for lighter weight, the Pencil Pro which is the Pencil experience I wanted from the first Pencil. It is now my ebook reading device (I put it in airplane mode when reading). I have it next to my MBP for quick research or lookup or sketching notes or diagram ideas. It is a killer device for me. 🐬
AGAIN: on android tablets you can do more computer stuff like burning an iso and even virtualizating windows 10 or 11 or even using wine to run windows games
IPads doesn't even have the capabilities of a true tablet that's why even the file manager is more restricted than on a normal full fledged tablet
I have used an iPad Pro in the past as my only computer. I have had one complaint since I tried this back in 2019 and it's the inability to have 2 audio sources playing at once.
I know this is a niche thing, but I often play podcasts in the background while I am either editing or making music, and in the past I would watch school videos while I listen to music.
Overall, it's definitely doable to use it as a computer. Most people don't update hardware devices like a Line 6 Helix from their computer. For everyday computing tasks, the iPad is great. I also love the fact that you can pull the iPad off of the Magic Keyboard and take that beautiful screen around with you.
I’ve gone all in with a iPad Pro M4 and for my particular use case it does almost everything. It’s definitely more than a consumption device as I’ve got my guitar connected via an audio interface, I’m learning to draw and do some photography as well. Mine is connected to a second screen with mouse and keyboard when I’m using it as a computer and if I unplug my usb hub then it’s back to being a great tablet.
It’s probably wise to keep an old laptop around but in the past year I’ve only used mine for a firmware update for the audio interface. The thing is this can be a really old/low spec device that costs very little.
Sure if you want to do coding or AAA gaming then the iPad isn’t a good choice but that doesn’t mean it’s no good for anyone. A sports car is terrible off road but if you never go off road then it doesn’t matter! The iPad is a great fit for some people and I happen to be one of them.
Not a compromise. If I’m going to be working on coding or some larger project, I’m not doing on a laptop, I’m doing in my dedicated work environment with multiple monitors and multiple desktop machines. And if for some reason I absolutely need to gain access to a desktop OS, that’s what my VPN and remote desktop are for. Doing some basic fun video work, practicing my digital stick-figure drawing, internet browsing, shopping, media consumption (including reading), typing up notes, working with electronic documents, basic photo editing, making memes, all work fantastically well on the iPad pro with the option of hand-held, with or without the pencil, or with a keyboard.
Would I take a touch-enabled MacOS over iPad OS? Absolutely. But I don’t * need * it.
Yeah, I agree accept kindles are far better for reading so there isn't even that.. if one can get most of their work done on an ipad then while that's great they probably don't have that "heavy" of a workload or lower expections/experience with productivity tools. Productivity wise, I consider the iPad horrible - the reviewer even said it's "great" cause it's so limited that it keeps you on task LOL. I always come to these types of vids cause the iPad annoys me lol - it clearly has the capabilities but is the only product I can really think of that is purposefully hamstrung so aggressively.
@@mopnem I get ebooks in epub intentionally from anywhere other than Amazon and only read in dark mode. The iPad Pro's screen is far easier to read than a kindle. On top of that, I also use Panels for comics/graphic novels and Kindle can't get even laughably close to the iPad for that.
The iPad is perfectly fine for productivity until you need two full-screen apps up at once, then you're going to have to have a second monitor regardless. If you need a program that doesn't run on iPadOS then guess what? You aren't using an iPad anyway.
But you're here with a selection bias to troll so not sure why I'm bothering.
I use my ipad pro with Magic Keyboard as my primary and have no regrets
The only reason I can’t use iPad as a replacement is google sheets and excel. Google sheets doesn’t allow you to have multiple sheets up. Excel allows it but it’s just not as robust on browser or software. Wish they would change that.
@@brighamyates can’t you just open them in the browser?
@ Nope. 👎🏽 I wish the browsers acted the same as the Mac but they don’t.
Still rocking my 2020 iPad Pro without the M-chip 😢 but it’s held up for 4 years and I eventually got myself a MacBook Air M1. iPad is still a heavy hitter in my work.
Having been an iPad power user since the first model came out, I can safety say that for the vast majority of people almost any iPad model can replace the computer. If you start with asking what type of tasks do you want to use the device for, you will find most are basic tasks. And if they just practice enough on using the iPad they will find out how easy it is for most tasks. And given that so many of us have a computer at work, we can always use that device when the functionality of the work on the iPad is a bit to complex (or limited even with a mouse or trackpad).
I agree that it makes more sense to compare and contrast the iPad Pros as an alternative to the MacBook Pros rather than the Air. This is not only because of the comparable pricing range, but also because of the specs, pro-motion display, superior screen quality, and better speaker quality that those devices have over their Air counterparts.
Currently using a 10.5 inch IPad Pro as my daily. Saving up to get the m4 iPad Pro to make my iPad only set up an even better experience.
You know what would make iPad even more like a computer? Not displaying everything huge when I connect my ultrawide external monitor. I’ve got glasses- I see well enough, thank you Apple.
It simply doesn’t have the software. You don’t even need to be some sort of business professional. Want to use RUclips with Adblock and sponsorblock? SOL. Want to torrent? SOL. Chromium extensions? SOL. Tons of apps are also way worse than than their desktop versions. VLC, discord, Amazon, RUclips, Excel, Outlook, there’s no end. Plus iPad doesn’t really have a desktop, no true directory access (music you own has to be loaded into Music by plugging iPad into a real computer, for example), window management is terrible regardless of stage manager.
That's the problem when techies like yourself who come from a desktop paradigm and try to shoehorn that paradigm into every device. Go buy a Windows PC or Mac if that's what you want.
@@shameermulji :O
I guess you gotta be right, if it works fine for someone, it's good then.
@@shameermuljiwhat’s the real world scenario for iPads then? I can add Photoshop to the list above. It’s a professional app on the macOS and a ridiculous playground to improve selfies on the iPadOS.
@@sigiligus here’s the thing: I use an ipad air for school work, work, paper snd research writing, etc. I love the fact that it has limitations on multiple open screens. I’ve gotten a lot of theological research dine without “watching a movie while writing a paper” like I did when I had a laptop in college. I also use the browser version of amazon for shopping, etc. The ipad isn’t for everyone but it is for others.
I’ve been using the iPad when I leave my home office and it works great.
I love the iPad but its so restrictive (software)
Got to admit it’s waaaay less restrictive than it was on day one.
I have an M2 Mac mini (16 GB RAM/512 SSD) & an M1 iPad Air as my portable computer (keyboard/mouse/Logitech Crayon); which I really like using with Freeform for design ideation with notes & color-coding.
The way I see it, the iPad Pro I use is more of an alternative instead of a replacement for a MacBook. It definitely can replace the MacBook for certain things, but definitely not everything. Like for me I can take my iPad Pro with magic keyboard in lieu of a MacBook for most things on the go like taking notes, word processing, etc. But in terms of true multitasking with a lot of things and more intensive apps that don't run on the iPad, then I'll use the Macbook.
I have the baseline iPad Pro M4 and it does everything I need from it. It is my laptop and I love the functionality, and beauty of it. All the best Fernando 🐬
I have two iPads: an iPad Air 6 (13 inch) and a new iPad mini 7. I also have a Mac Mini M1. Ideally, I would like to get to be able to use only iOS devices. My major usage for all my devices is media consumption (video and reading books (Kindle) and magazines (Readly)) and writing and reviewing articles. For my writing tasks I use Markdown (Taio app) and plain text (Textastic app on iOS and BBEdit app on macOS). For my usage there is only one issue holding me back - data backup. When you use iOS devices iCloud is realistically your only backup (I know you can in theory manually backup iCloud based files to an external storage device, but you would only do it once). On macOS there are multiple backup options. I use iCloud, Time Machine and and external SSD (using an app called Get Backup Pro (really, really good app).
So I would be interested to know what you use for your data backup.
Regards,
Peter
I’m not necessarily looking for it to replace a laptop. Now, for me, I basically could but, I understand that the iPad will never be a MacBook so, I have decided to learn how to do what I would normally do on a laptop on an iPad. My current iPad is the 13 inch iPad Air. Since getting it, my MacBook had just sat on my desk so, I ended up selling it. I will say the 13 inch would be easier to replace a laptop with rather than the 11 inch.
For me, the ipad works really well as laptop replacement, but only because its not my main machine (desktop windows). For 90-95% iPad OS is completely fine or even better than a laptop would be (Notetaking for example). For the rest i can simply remote on my pc and have better performance than i would on any laptop including M4 MacBooks on a machine with really good battery life and no noise with the only requirement being good enough wifi.
Still can't coding
I see these type of videos all the time. I do wonder how often someone has no computer or iPad and now has to decide which one to get. If I had no computer, I would get one of those first. When it is paid off, I would add an iPad, since I like using both and a Mac does not replace the iPad as tablet.
Although the iPad Pro isn’t a Mac replacement for me, it is great value for the money. I have an iPad Pro 2018 and it still works like a charm. At the moment I use it as an additional monitor for my MacMini.
Saving and editing files on an iPad is insanely painful
And you didnt even mention the cameras in the iPad versus Macbook Air! Love your video! For me, even the small form factor iPad is sufficient as I use an Apple Studio Display for work at home and when I need a larger screen for some tasks. And the combination of touchscreen on iPad and large screen with the Studio Display is amazing. For on the go the 11 inch iPad is totally fine for everything I need to do!
Mac mini m2 (bought 5 months ago) on my office desk & iPad Pro M1 around the world… with Magic Keyboard and Apple Pencil . Was iPad only for 3.5 years… got frustrated with the work arounds all the time and thought of buying Mac Mini… happy with the setup where I alternate between the two seamlessly with iCloud storage being at the helm of everything… both are gr8 devices however, I have a small regret of not waiting for another 5 months and buying the even miniaturised Mac mini
🐬 Fernando is the absolute BEST Apple tech RUclipsr! He is the reason I upgraded my iPad Pro to the M4 with 1TB 13" version and I have zero regrets! Love that machine!
I still wish Mac OS was an option on the iPad Pro. Or at least being able to install Mac OS applications. I use Parsec to remote into a workstation and still no iOS app.
I like your idea of using the iPad Pro as your main computer and a Mac mini as a desktop. 🐬
I’m doing more and more with my iPad and less and less with my Mac. It’s been a gradual progression. I do think for many Mac users that ultimately the iPad will be the way to go as a primary or possibly only device in 3-5 years. It’s light years beyond where the first iPad was.
Have you thought of a parallel channel called 9 to 5 iPad?
I have a M4 iPad Pro 11-inch 1TB model and it will never be a computer replacement due to iPad OS limitations such as, no desktop class browser, I can't run fully functional VMs on it and no sideloading app capabilities like Mac OS, but it is superb for playing games, media content consumption, and some Logic Pro work. I plan to get a Mac Mini M4 Pro with max CPU and GPU core count, at least 1TB SSD and 10 Gbit/s ethernet. I use a Windows 11 Tablet PC as my mobile computer as it has essential touch display and stylus support. The MacBook's limited UI makes it an expensive desktop PC, so I would rather spend my money on a Mac Mini or Mac Studio if more performance required.
I have a 11 inch iPad Pro 2020 model, i use it daily for emails, word documents, online training modules, general use like Netflix, RUclips ect. I also enjoy some gaming on it too, Such as. Balatro, NorthGard, Wreckfest, COD Mobile and some Strawdew Valley.
I am looking forward to the next generation of iPad Pro M5, i really hope this next generation has 2x Type C Ports, there is no reason why they cant do that, older Samsung tabs had that. I also want Thunder port 5 to use for external monitors/SDD.
Tbh : you can’t , a mac is a mac I was using an iPad for 2 years eventually I got frustrated because of the limitations and got a Mac book pro M4Pro , it’s an excellent companion but can’t replace your mac , may be could shift it once in a while or do back and forth but no replacement ever .
the main real problem with the ipad is the lack of a desktop class browser and the inability to use non safari engines (webkit) for some websites that don't work with it. they might be relatively rare but they exist and so a laptop always needs to be nearby. if apple allowed non-webkit browsers, etc., i'd love to move full time to one...oh well
I’m curious if the IPad Pro is the best device for voiceover
Unwell ! , what happened my friend ! , get well soon ❤
I still find the MacBook file system and browser more comfortable, though I have M4 IPad Pro 13”. It doesn’t really replace the MBP.
I've thought about trying Paperlike for years. What stops me is that every bloody time I have ever tried a screen protector, I get bubbles. I have never ever seen a screen protector applied as good as in the commercials. I'd be interested to hear any real world success stories with this stuff.
Don't overthink it. Do you plan on using the iPad in a keyboard case? Buy a Mac or PC instead. Do you plan on using it as a tablet? Great, now just figure out how much iPad you need and what you're willing to spend.
With the Mac mini m4 or mba with 16gb ram, I will still pick an iPad but either 13 air or 11 pro only. Currently I have m4 mini at home, mba m2 16gb ram at work and iPad Pro 13” with magic kb.
I couldn't switch. MB Air M1 + iPad Mini 6 for different use cases
For a lot of things it could replace it. At my job I run windows on my Mac for trouble shooting networking systems so it can’t replace it. I wish it could though.
Hi.. please since you have the ipad pro with the 1 tb did you try to install windows 10 or 11 on it ! Since they require min. 8Gb of memory to work on utb !
I guess one has to create Shortcut automations instead of shortcut MacOS commands
Can I extend a monitor and get a full screen without having to connect a mouse and a keyboard……please!!!
I‘m a fan, too 👍🏼🐬
Does run XCode or similar ? For email, SNS and browser i use various iPads over 10 years. But coding ?
I have been trying to live with those limitations on 2 different generations of iPad Pro - the software is absolute crap.
iPad is my main computer as well
Ipad pro can't even call people like iPhone 😂
Are you poor? 🤣
What bothers me the most about iPads beyond the mini is that battery life. For the price point directly competing and surpassing prices of a Mac laptop....it doesn't make sense. iPads have been stuck with 10hr battery life forever which in reality daily use cannot be truly 10 hours. A MacBook Air is a much more sensible choice for a well rounded machine that has a ton more functionality, real OS, that keyboard, a serious battery, and is very mobile. The price is so close that it's a no brainer to just get an MBA. Do I have an iPad? yes, and iPad mini 6th gen and its fantastic. Need an apple pencil? well an apple pencil can't be used on a MacBook. So neither can replace another. Rather it's an alternative, a sidekick.
i dont get why they dont improve ipados. i just wanna be able to run ableton on it damn
The short answer is…. Yes, unless you need to do more than shopping lists Excel - the user experience is far too buggy and the functionality just isn’t there for anything more; And you don’t want to add a monitor - because the keyboard shortcuts don’t work when you connect. But for all email, web-browsing, PPT, etc etc it’s fine. With a tiny bit of effort (NOT even MacOS) Apple could make the iPad Functionality up to 95% as good as a laptop, but in a better form factor. Come on!
given the 1TB, ive started using my ipad pro as a storage device and content consumption / clash of clans. the mac mini/Mac OS is too good compared to ipad os
Excellent video! I love my iPad Pro M4, it does everything I want. 👍
Compromise, I've found.
I heard you in the pod the other day mention how you went for the 1tb for the first time ever, simply due to the RAM (and P core).
I tried, have the studio display/cal digit etc. the OS is just such a pronounced limiting factor that I had to get a mac mini.
Bro, love that desk chair, where did you get it? Great video!!!
How are you playing Pokémon Yellow on your IPad? Is it an emulator?
Can the iPad pro be used like a Wacom tablet on my mac mini
I just wish it had 720Hz touch sample rate, and a way to remove ALL animations like on Android. Ive used ROG Phone 5, and removing animations made it insanely snappy. And with M4 och A18 Pro, it would feel like heaven. But now, animations make it feel sluggish on iOS/iPadOS. Yes, im impatient AF
Fantastic video. I so appreciate your honesty. I also love the iPad and use it all the time and I also use macOS. They are different and I appreciate you pointing that out.
If you were just using your iPad for like email websites and just regular online activity, I guess it could work as a computer. However, if you need to be able to install a specialized software or just random software in general, you’re much better off with just a Mac or a regular PC hell even Linux is a much better choice. I also still believe that the iPad would be much better off running macOS this way you can remove all of those software limitations because that is the biggest problem with the iPad is just a software limitations and how lockdown it is. 😢
iPad Mini: iPadOS
iPad: iPadOS
iPad Air: MacOS
iPad Pro: MacOS
Break things down like this, and I’d be super happy. Gives everyone a choice in device if they insist that iPadOs / a dumbed down OS is best for them and those like myself that just want a touchscreen, slate Mac that is like a surface.
Very good review. Many thanks. I’ve decided on a iPad pro 13 1 Gb standard screen for photo editing.
Addendum: 1 TB
🐬🐬🐬🐬🐬 I need an Ipad so badly! Great Video! Thanks for your input!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Baby Fernando 😍😍😍
I wonder Fernando… with Apple’s push to Apple Intelligence, along with Mark Gurman’s rumors of an LLM Siri in iOS 19.4-ish if they will bring the iPad Pro up to a standard 16 gig RAM at base prices, instead of being able to get that only if you upgrade to the 1 tb configuration? I guess this would mean that my idea would not happen until M5 comes out for it then?
Not yet is the answer
yeah i think it comes down to the use case and what devices you currently own. I have an M1 ipad pro 128gb and its fine for me as I also use an M1 mac mini 512gb with one of those expansion docks for storage and ports at home.
I have a M4 iPad Pro and I like it for what it can do - it's a real speed demon but there is one area where I still can't use any iPad and that is with my 3D printer and prusaslicer. That software hasn't been released for the iPad and it's a shame with all that power. (Not blaming Apple for that - just noting that it's the one BIG thing I have to defer to my MacBook Pro (Also now an M4). Along that line - software installs are limited to what Apple will allow - unless you get a developer's license - and still it's not as easy as downloading a DMG installer. Interestingly I have cell service on my iPad and do use it on the go and that's a big plus when I want a big screen and am not near any wifi hotspots. (Yeah- could use my iPhone as that hotspot, but....)
anyone else find that the iPadPro struggles with multiple google doc/sheets/slides tabs in its browser? the app alternatives are complete garbage. I know that youtubers use these for content creation but many use it for more traditional jobs and its frustrating to know that it can process multimedia with no problem but slows down to a crawl when too many google suite windows are open.
Tbh stage manager was better in its original version that was more streamlined and controlled. Now it’s closer to being clunkier like window management is on macOS
Cellular is the reason I use the iPad over a MacBook
Final Cut launched on iPad in may 2023 yet 19 months later you still can’t use third party plugins with it davinci resolve launched on iPad December 2022 January 2023 motionvfx launched minstaller how can apple not have third party plugins on their own flagship editing software nearly 2 years after launch ?
I use it as a laptop.
This feels like the same video that was made before. 🤷
Viewers should always remember this channel is promoting a grift for both itself and Apple. Also, this thing will never be a laptop, because a laptop's #1 job is to remain ON your lap - this thing with the keyboard will fall over all the time. Battery also sucks.
Please give me an "arrow" and not that dang "dot", then we can get serious.
🐬 for this Christmas I’ll be picking my first IPad Pro ever, let’s see how it goes!
Microsoft is lead blocking my attempt to go iPad only.
Too bad it doesn’t have a productive operating system !😞
iPad is a Tablet and never will be a Laptop, so when Apple releases a MacBook Touch then you will be happy
I just got lost
Mario?
No it can’t. Apps are still only a mobile version
iPad is super sexy..but sexy just wont cut it..they made a Ferrari with 10inch rims..Surface Pro made it 2in1..but as apple is still making a huge profit they wont put a MacOS on the iPad...but that would be the best product in the world..
Mejor no
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