PS messed up with no disc drive, not supporting tell they bundle it or slap one on before shipping, for same price too, physical is king, PC gamers are port beggers for console games, PS needs to stop porting to PC and start porting to PSvr2, exclusives sell consoles, example Xbox why it's failing
I swear to God, this past week has validated just how stupid, reactionary, and hypocritical most of the internet is. Also, people have REALLY WEIRD concepts of “price scaling.” You mean to tell me you were OKAY with $400-$500 for a base 9-10TFLOP PS5 and OKAY with a $600 12TFLOP Series X with an extra 1TB of storage, but make it $700 for a roughly 30TFLOP PS5 Pro with 2TB of storage and suddenly everyone’s, “OMFG, GO EFF YOURSELVES”? Do you realize how STUPID and RIDICULOUS that sounds? It’s OKAY if you don’t think you’re going to buy it but don’t sit there and tell me that THE PRICE is the problem when every LAST one of these people trying to construct this argument know DAMN WELL that they’ve went and bought PLENTY of NEW PRODUCTS (a new phone, TV, car, PC, dishwasher, etc) when your older and cheaper one still ACCOMPLISHED THE TASK more than adequately (so the value IS MORE THAN THERE regardless of whether or not they’re willing to see it). Pure HYPOCRISY at its finest.
Sony is actually held to standards unlike Microsoft. Do you think PlayStation could go almost two decades without a first party exclusive getting a GotY nomination and still have a fanbase?
“Sony is held to EXTREME standards” Fixed. It’s like the SAME BS as people being “hyper-partisan” with their politics. “You expect PlayStation to somehow be BETTER THAN PERFECT but don’t even expect your OWN favorite platform to be halfway DECENT.”
@@ThomastheDankEngine8900 Idk if SICK was the first one to say it, but it’s something I’ve EQUALLY NOTICED over the past several YEARS: bots and PC refugees are DEFINITELY like the MAGA of gaming.
@@geraldonunez1183 Ehh, no smoke to you, good sir. 👍 That would be Blandrew’s WEIRD ASS that bought like 4 or 5 Switches but has the nerve to complain about buying a SINGLE PS5 Pro.
Hey bro these xbots turned PC nuclear engineer physicists have now explained to me a PC can be built without using any RAM. You only need the GPU's RAM! Thank you Colt! You are wise beyond your fish face years, who knew all your years of console warring will soon win you the Nobel prize in electric engineering.
Because a phone is just that much more useful and is used (by the vast majority of people) a lot More. Plus miniature technology is expensive on its own and people understand that. A console is none of that.
people are sleeping on the decima Engine That's the same engine that kajima Use for Death stranding the same engine for death stranding 2 And there's only a few games that look better than horizon
I'd say there is still no game looking better than Horizon and barely any open world game that comes close to on a technical level The only ones i can think of are Forspoken and Suicide squad kill the justice league
@@Pointman11111 thats a stretch. theres tons of ue5 games upcoming and already out that looks better than horizon or just as good as that game. yall just barely played anything.
So many videos popping up with PC players building “$700” dollar pro killers. They either missing a 2tb ssd, a weaker gpu, no power supply or no OS 🤣 plus the price is always well over 700 without tax hilarious.
Yea, doing it for real and just admiting the PS5 pro is a $1000 PC for $700 should be enough because the PS5 was at least a $1200 PC at $400. Definely less of a deal. I don't know why one need to lie about it.
They just tight ps5 pro coming out but why is nobody taking about the series x coming out with a extra terabyte and charging 599 for no performance upgrade at all smh 🤦♂️
Guys pretending like they're playing games at the 4k120 Ultra setting are lying their asses off, and if they truly were playing at 4K120, the PC they're playing on would be $5K+.
Bravo. So now think about it. If you need top of the line PC to run that shit that high, what a 700 usd 200w console can deliver? Yes, it's all a marketing lie.
Anyone with COMMON SENSE knows that consoles outpace PC per pound of relative horsepower because they’re “specialty devices” meant to do ONE THING REALLY WELL and it’s why you’ve ALWAYS generally needed a PC that’s 40-60% more powerful “on paper” because all that extra horsepower inevitably ends up “bogged down” by ALL THE OTHER STUFF it has to do. PC players will LIE TO THEMSELVES AND EVERYONE ELSE like this ISN’T the case (because they don’t want to feel STUPID for spending hundreds more on a product that ultimately ends up in the same “performance and fidelity ballpark” as the $400-$500 console). Though take it from someone who GREW UP ON and played on PC YEARS AGO; if your ENTIRE philosophy behind building a PC is just to MERELY “match” or “edge out” a $400-$500 console in the first place, you’ve ALREADY LOST that battle. Go big or go TF home. Make it something that could direct an ICBM from space while doing your taxes and playing music, otherwise, you’re WASTING YOUR TIME (unless you just plan to do work on it AS WELL or want to make it into a dedicated “virtual machine” or “emulation hub”).
@randalldraco3822 I'm playing Spiderman 2 in balanced mode. Open world with raytracing. Show a PC that can run that game at the same settings as the PS5 at that price.
42:54 in addition the PC heads complain about the PS5 Pro not having a disc drive. I’d like to know when was it the last time they’ve used one in their fuckin PC. They can’t even fathom the idea of having a disk drive in their PC’s. And their bitchen about the Pro has it as an option.
@@mediaage What's so hard to understand? PC gamers don't need a drive because we have lot's of digital stores to buy games from. The only way for a console gamer to have lots of stores to choose from is having a disc drive. Wukong is digital only so even PS 5 owners with drives have one store to buy it from. PC gamers have dozens of stores to buy it from and it's on sale for 15% off at GMG and 10% off at Fanatical right now. PSN probably won't have it on sale until the winter sale. Now if the game were physical you would already have used copies at a reduced price. You say it's pc gamers who complain about it having no disc drive. So you're saying all console gamers are fine with it having no disc drive? A PS 4 owner with PS 4 physical games doesn't care that PS 5 pro has no drive? PS 5 owner with physical games looking to upgrade to Pro doesn't care about having to buy a drive separately?
they putting training wheels on for devs. so that below Average devs can make average games, Average devs can make better games, the takented devs can go crazy with it. Genius on Sony part
Bingo. It’s funny how everyone “frames” this as a PlayStation L, though, when they’re just GIVING THEM the extra horsepower they wanted, it’s ultimately UP TO THEM to make use of it.
@@jaythomas468it’s actually a W. People look at the price, say it’s too expensive, and that they’ll build a PC. Then they realize how much more PC costs, and then they realize, you know what? The PS5 Pro is actually a solid deal.
@@ThomastheDankEngine8900 Again, it’s like this epiphany I had years ago; it’ll seem AMAZING AT FIRST and then it just becomes your “default experience” and then sometime later on, you’ll end up playing something on a console LATER ON and realize, “wait a minute, this isn’t THAT DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT. Why TF did I pay all that extra money again?”
@aaronwalsh8469 No idea, bro. I think a lot of them really want you to build a similarly priced PC instead, which would perform better. I'm a massive gamer: PC, plus PlayStation and Switch. Consoles were always supposed to be the cheaper option. Now, we're approaching the price point where you can just build a better equivalent PC, especially when you factor in having to pay each year to play online with a console.
@@360Kingthrash everyone from Steve to Jay to Linus building a PC with cheap parts for 500$ to 700$ to find out it can't compete with the Pro. 😂 PS5 pro creating revenue for PC content creators because they got nothing to do exept wait for PS games and sales.😂 very boring out there on PC streets without PlayStation .
@@NeominousDLet's assume that PC gamers and XBOX gamers got every game they wanted day one as there were no more PlayStation exclusives as Sony went bankrupt. I mean that is secretly what they all want. They expect to get games made by the studios which Sony used to own before its bankruptcy and those would be multiplatform titles with no online fees on the PC. This can't work and I don't see why they don't realise it. Sony sell their big AAA games at a loss because they know they are system sellers. They make only a slight profit on the SKUs but more off the ecosystem as they charge 3rd party publishers a royalty to sell their game through their store. That is why PlayStation Marketplace games are more expensive than the same game when it eventually comes to PC. _Spider-Man 2_ would not have been made if the PC market had to fund it themselves in advance. No single publisher is rich enough for that. You would get _GTA VI_ from Take 2, but that is about it.
@@____uncompetativeI recently said something close to this a company that has been forced to not sell its products won’t start giving them up they’ll just completely stop
What I find funny is Xbox launched with no games but they said it has gamepass, best deal in gaming etc but when Sony show the pro it’s “where’s the new games to show it off” “why they showing old games” as if the new games won’t have the same enhancements when they actually are shown?! Gaming media are not slick and the sheep that follow them and listen to their bs don’t think for themselves. I can’t wait to get my hands on the pro and yes I will play the old games again at their full potential along with all the new goodies like wolverine. Great video thrash.
@@kaisersoymilk6912plus with a PC you can do so much more than just gaming. yes gaming might be your first priority but so much can be done. Like productivity tasks.
Funny thing is that's complete bullshit. Let's hear some of that PC knowledge then... There are a few builds that are within range of the PS5 PRO. It's a but more expensive, $750.00 to $800.00 is the average.
I dont wanna hear shit from a PC dude unless you can build a PC at the same or better power of the Pro at a cheaper price. You will never see this though.
Exactly. And EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE “PC propagandists” fails to ACKNOWLEDGE that you OFTEN NEED to build a PC much BEYOND what the equivalent console’s “power level” is, because a PC is designed to do A LOT OF THINGS and just simply isn’t AS EFFICIENT per pound of relative horsepower (so to meaningfully “match” or “exceed” just a base PS5 at 9-10TFLOPs, you probably need to end up building a PC in the 20+ TFLOP “range” unless you ALREADY HAVE a dedicated case, power supply, CPU, motherboard, and RAM, so you’re just upgrading the graphics card which is the ONLY WAY you could DISINGENUOUSLY make the argument that you could do it “for cheaper”). And honestly, if your entire philosophy behind building a PC is merely to “match” or “edge out” what the “economy option” of a console is doing, you’ve ALREADY LOST.
You’ll never see a pc cost 500$-800$ for the same power of the pro (brand new) just like I proved colteastwood wrong when he recommended a 864$ pc without RAM lmao it was the RX 7700 XT gpu now I seen a comparison video with a RX 7700 XT with a RX 7800 XT with 32gb RAM mind you the RX 7700 XT couldn’t do 4k/60fps on ultra lmao it only did 35fps so anyone saying buy a Walmart 900$ pc are only playing 1080p/1440p ultra and getting 57-89fps maybe lmao
ps+ is 80 dollars a year and controllers are 75 dollars that start to stick drift in a bout a year, do you count that into the price? If current gen lasts for atleast 4 more years that is 470-620 dollars on top of 700 dollar console. You can build more powerful pc than pro for over a thousand.
@@SD-vp5vo PS+ is actually a good thing, I’ve realized, because it establishes a simple “barrier of entry” to help keep a lot of the cheating/hacking d-bags that run rampant on PC out (and seriously, you’re talking the price of ONE GAME over 12 months; I ain’t happy about paying for it but it is what it is). Are you factoring in your keyboard and “loss of time spent” having to troubleshoot and set stuff up as money spent as well? Seriously, we’re complaining about buying the accessories/peripherals now to drive up the price argument? Stop coping.
@@jaythomas468 that's not how cheating works on ps network. You can buy cheap keyboard, plug it in and it will just work, nothing to troubleshoot. I built my pc myself and in 2 hours everything was set and running. It literally updates all of the drivers by itself like a ps5 software update does. I know cause I own both.
You lost me at the PC benchmark potion of the video. The 3090 and 4090 will not display a difference in image quality if set to the same quality settings. I've been gaming on both PC and console for a long time and you can see and feel the difference between 60 and 120hz
@@360Kingthrash You can definitely see past 60fps, competitive fps gamers can see/react to 300+fps. But 60fps is smooth enough for most things. The only way you can't see past 60fps is if your eyes are busted, same way some people can't see past 30fps
@@360Kingthrash Sorry King you can see the difference. Got my first high referesh monitor back in 2011 or 12, a BenQ XL2420T and upgraded a few times along the way and ended up with a 280hz Alienware AW2723DF. I agree with regarding some PC guys downplaying the PROs upgrades, most are remnants of the old Xbox army.
How come one shot is in high resolution, another is at 480p, and then it drops to 160p? You make a lot of great points, nothing really I can point out besides some of these: 16:00 - 18:00 PC games-at least most of them-offer an auto-optimize feature that helps you get the best balance between graphics and performance based on your system's specs. I rarely have issues (maybe with one or two games), and I can typically play at the highest settings. PCs tend to handle hardware evolution well, especially since CPUs and GPUs keep advancing-often faster than consoles. That said, you don’t always need to upgrade your GPU or CPU constantly. I've had the RTX 3060 for almost five years now, and I can still run Ready Or Not on Ultra settings. The only thing I’ll need to upgrade soon is my CPU to stay up-to-date. 32:30 - 35:30 Oh, I noticed the difference without the slow motion. 41:55 - 45:00: The price wasn't the biggest issue, but having to buy the stand and disc drive separately brings the total to almost $900. The price is high in other places too, so the PS5 Pro might cost around 9000 NOK here in Norway-cheaper than a proper gaming PC but still quite expensive. Honestly, if you want to play games, the PS5 Pro is a great value for what you need. I do think upgrading a PC is more expensive, but it usually lasts longer. For example, my laptop from 2010 still runs high graphics, while my PS3 is starting to die, even though I’ve cleaned and fixed both. As for the RTX 4080, it’s not really much of an upgrade compared to the 3080 or 3090, but your comment is still valid. Depending on where you buy, you could get a full PC for the price of just a graphics card. I went with a custom build, so mine was extra, but without the additional parts, it would be around $1500-almost the same price as a gaming PC with an RTX 3080 that could last you forever. 46:10 Yes you can lock it at whatever frame you wish. 46:40 It is hard to notice but thanks to the slow-motion I can kind of tell the difference, I mostly look at the gun lol 48:70 - 52:40 If we are talking about graphic it is harder on this game to tell, I would maybe use games like Cyberpunk, Ready Or Not or Kingdom Come. (Then I see Cyberpunk afterwards but they don't have RTX on.) 53:20 I mean the difference is clear as day. For me overall, you make a lot of great points that I agree with, and I often find myself thinking, 'That’s fair.' For me and many of my friends, two things are most important: good graphics and good performance, both of which the PS5 Pro delivers on. If I can spend an hour just admiring the background in Kingdom Come, enjoying the rain in Ready or Not, or diving into the gameplay of Cyberpunk, I’m happy. Will I get the PS5 Pro? There's a chance, but I’m leaning towards not getting it because most of the games I want are already available on PC. Even though I like physical discs, I’m currently about 40:60 on whether I’ll get it.
Fair points. What kinda annoys me about a lot of this is all the gaming media/RUclipsr “gaslighting” where a lot of them are just sticking their respective fingers in the air to determine WHICH WAY the wind is blowing and then making their videos REFLECTIVE OF THAT rather than their OWN “privileged” circumstances or whatever (what I’m saying is MOST OF THEM LIKELY already have top-of-the-line PCs for their “jobs” and then they also game on them, so of course a PS5 Pro ISN’T going to seem like a “necessary upgrade” coming from THAT “privileged” standpoint, but that’s NOT WHAT THEY’RE ARGUING, they’re acting like they’re John Q. Moneypenny who can barely afford his rent and groceries each month).
End of the day game the way you want. I've just really started getting into PC gaming and I see my going in that direction. Sticking with the based PS5 and invest more in my PC set up.
My steam deck was 800 bucks. That's basically the power of a base PS4. Im definitely getting the Pro. My tv has all the bells and whistles to take advantage of all of this.
@DeniedANull You ain’t wrong about that, lol. That said (and I’m not directing ANY SMOKE at the OP), I have been seeing some DUMBASS MFs trying to use like the ASUS ROG Ally as a point of contention against the price of the PS5 Pro (where I’m just like, “BRO, TF are you even doing?”).
@@rocketmagnet427 No one LEGITIMATELY cares about the Steam Deck except the weirdos whose mouths are wrapped firmly around Valve and Steam’s balls, the PCMR crowd who brags about how beastly their towers are while playing on a 540p handheld, and/or the people who plan to use it to pirate everything.
For a decent build, you need 1000 dollars. The thing about a PC is that once can't provide the required performance, you only replace the GPU if the CPU you have is strong enough. So a 800-1000 dollar pc now and in the future you only replace the GPU for 500 to 600 dollars
... I'm starting to realize that most people that fanboy for consoles are really just poor... Because other than financial reasons, why would anyone ever purchase this product?? Certainly not for the games... Or for the pro dual controller that's not included... To watch DVDs or Blu-ray or use the disc drive that's also not included...
Hopefully, since they’re SUPPOSEDLY DOING THEM EXCLUSIVELY through PlayStation Direct on September 26th until opening them up to OTHER RETAILERS on October 10th, that’ll AT LEAST give a lot of us a “fair shot” at getting one. I’m guessing they’re going to have a State of Play right before they open up, too (unless they do one THIS WEEK).
Thanks for sharing! Been on the fence about getting the PS5 pro but now I think I am getting one! I used to be a pc gamer but I am tired of stuttering and not being able to play a game at launch. Also pc gaming has become too expensive. I build computers and 700 bucks is way cheaper than a comparable build that would match the PS5 pro.
@@Cameracat89 the console sales yes, and its like 30M sold is very little.. However... ..Xbox is winning everything else and you know it. sony knows it and jim ryan knew it..
@@Cameracat89 more games will be ported but bot all, maybe 1/3 of all Xbox first party games.. And yes, MS First Party games making insane money right now.. Look at COD BO6...
Cerny said raytracing is what makes current gen better then last gen and he said its going to be the best upgrade this gen, pro makes raytracing even better, I akways pick raytracing mode when available
Yeah, the biggest idea of the Pro upgrade is to allow the "ray tracing mode" to go up to 60fps, same as the performance modes usually go (with little to no work from the developers, which is paramount here - most likely just unlocking the framerate limiters)
@@360Kingthrash Slowing down would work 60fps against 30fps but 120fps gets exported into 60fps on youtube and wouldn't represent what actual live display would, also we can see more than 60fps, it just gets less noticeable from 244hz and upwards
I like the observation i've been seeing that people are using pcpartpicker to build PCs that they themselves wouldn't by and certainly wouldn't use. I can take it a step further PC people say frame rate is of paramount importance. The also say response times are vital. Graphics are unimportant. That isn't reflected in what they build. To maximize frame rate you take the best CPU and balance it in an acceptable graphics like 1080p med. If you wanted to do that the ideal build would be a mix a 7800x3d with about a 6800 for ~$1200-$1500 getting around 200 fps in most popular single player games and 500+ in Esport titles. Adding to the GPU would just make it prettier not increase the frame rate. People are instead going for 1440p 144hz ultra machines for a similar price with a drastically lower frame rate. Their actions don't follow their mouth. Visuals matter to them. Also if response times are vital an OLED would would also be vital at 30 microsecond response time. Console players have a higher adoption of OLED. They are also buying 1440p 144hz LED monitors. They are just console waring and poorly at that.
@DeniedANull yea, they build what they want the most and they sacrifice a ton of frames for visuals while saying visuals aren't important and frames are huge. Do i have to say "Not all" beause no claim hits 100% of people obviously.
@DeniedANull It is very very rare that a pc person maximizes frame rate. Nvidia wouldn't be the one of the richest company in the world if visuals wheren't so important and intel wouldn't be circuling the drain.
The Pro renders the graphics 45% faster than the base PS5. The gpu is more than double the raw power .The PSSR upscales similar to DLSS on nvidia gpus. The whole point is improved image quality at higher frame rates and improved Raytracing
Fidelity mode is dead on PS5 Pro. Performance mode with better-than-fidelity looks day one on PS5 Pro. Indiana Jones in Performance Mode will look better than the standard 4K upres 30 fps XBSX version.
PSSR can wait……:.If you game on a Sony mid tier + tv and lose resolution on a game due to performance mode, just bump that “Reality Creation” tool under clarity tab and you’re back to eye candy.
I have it on max nonstop with max shsrpness if the game can handle it why would i downgrade that much in quality just to get more fps thats ridiculous fuc fps 😂
😂 in Japan not in America. Ain’t nobody about to pay 800 dollars for a ps5 pro and gta. That’s how it’s gonna go. People here gonna get a 399 series X with gamepass at the same time buy gta 6 PlayStation just destroyed there self here but in Japan they just like Nintendo. Matter a fact Japan is roasting ps5 pro they don’t even want it
Good video Thrash! I can tell you exactly why these PC dudes are doing all this. They have NOTHING in their lives except the PC. They sit in the dark basement of mum&dad's house for 18 hours a day and want to feel ‘special’ when they spend over $1,000 on a GPU. 😂A normal person who has other hobbies and/or family besides gaming would never be as toxic and annoying as these fanboys. The worst in gaming dude.
There’s a reason WHY these PC gamers love playing these “simulation games” with survival, crafting, and all that other BS. They NEED A GAME to simulate the drudgery and tedium of having an everyday life: something they don’t have.
@@razor_no1 😁 I want to be clear, though: if you game on PC and just kinda “stay in your lane,” I got no problem with whatever you choose to enjoy. It’s all the WEIRD MFs that come into “console conversations” with this “fake sense of superiority and elitism” which, you know, is usually reserved for things that BOOST the PERCEPTION of your “social status” (driving a Corvette, wearing an Armani suit, having a Rolex, etc). You know, things that help GET YOU LAID. Despite all the “faux elitism and superiority complexes,” I’ve NEVER ONCE HEARD of someone getting laid by showing off their beastly PC rig (hell, IF ANYTHING, it would make the person they’re trying to impress and clap cheeks with RUN THE OTHER WAY because the perception from them would MOST LIKELY end up being, “aww GREAT, this is probably some DORK that plays WoW”).
Hey King Great Video, I think it would be even better if you were able to upload it in 4K/2160p maybe someday I'll help you out so you can upgrade your stuff so you can upload your comparison videos in 4K with a ultra high bitrate
@@360Kingthrash Unfortunately you need a really expensive PC to upload a video in 4K to dogshit on the PC Master Race Peasents that PRETEND they have a computer more powerful than the PS5 Pro (but they actually don't OR they do but for some reason their monitor is 144Hz and maxed at 1440 or 1600p and cant even go up to 4K/2160p. Meanwhile we have 4K OLED TVs) I hope that Sony makes a Work& PlayStation 6 as a computer companion to the PlayStation 6 with their own operating system and PC programs and apps to do everything PCs can do but has a PlayStation 6 built inside of it.
@@giminaza007 Honestly, that was part of Microsoft’s FEAR that spurred them to get into the gaming space to begin with, because Sony wanted NOTHING TO DO with their software in the PS2 and PS3 and FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, opted to go for an OpenGL “software environment” rather than DirectX (obviously NOW DirectX is pretty much THE STANDARD but at the time, it WASN’T that clear-cut).
The funny thing is, there probably would still be games that would already have a bedrock graphical ceiling because of their art style, game structure and such (say, modern Metroidvanias, Indie adventure games, or cell-shaded anime style games), and the graphical modes available on the Base PS5 are merely choice between stable framerates or more pronounced particle effects. If these games tap into PS5 Pro, several might have no path forward but to simply omit the dichotomy because they can hit stable maximum framerate and the desired effects at the same time, being rare occasions where features are removed for the better. And I'm saying this because it did happen with a Switch game that was brought to 9th gen, Gris, which was released natively for both Series consoles and PS5 not too long ago. The Series X version had a choice between a 60fps mode for 4K res, or a 120fps mode for 1080p; the PS5 version has no graphical selection, because it CAN run 120fps at 4K, plus haptics, the devs probably have no point aiming higher in any aspect. If the Pro is as capable as Cerny advertise it, I think a lot of games, mainly outside the mainstream AAA realm, would get this "omission of graphical modes" on the machine. Edit: got switched on the 60fps/4K and 120fps/1080p
Can’t wait to get the ps5 pro! Hearing all this fake outrage makes me think I’ll have a better chance of getting it day one but in reality I know it’s gonna be tough
😂😂😂 bro what is that thumbnail ? 😂 Anyways, personally, i'm hoping the current negative sentiment persists until i secure my preorder ( i'm selfish like that 🤷♂️) . I still remember my base ps5 preorder experience... it was a battle royal and i don't want to through that again lol.
Great video this even happened with the ps4 the gtx680 launched at $500 in 2012 then in 2013 the gtxtitan launched for $1000. The ps4 was $399 console gamers did not run and tell pc gamers that upgrading wasnt worth it.
I think you need to be careful comparing how washed out some shots look compared to others. Sometimes its just how the game was captured that makes it look washed out. Sometimes its youtube compression or twitter compression that causes it.
Well, that’s ALSO what’s had me SMFH at a lot of this stupidity is that people are trying to compare RUclips screen captures and use that as an ULTIMATE point of contention like, “OMG, see?! YOU CAN’T EVEN TELL THE DIFFERENCE!!!” Which I’m just like, “….Jesus Christ. You’re NOT going to really see that in a RUclips video, bud.” I can BARELY TELL what TF Digital Foundry’s trying to show when they do those “side-by-side” multiplatform game comparisons when watching it in a RUclips video (hell, in some of those without OBVIOUS “substantive gaps” in framerate and resolution between one version and another, I doubt you’d even be able to SEE THE DIFFERENCE if both versions were running side-by-side RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU at home on identical TVs/monitors sitting RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER).
1:05:48 preach! When you switch to quality mode from performance depending on the game the graphics improvements are big. Thrash is 100% right, I’m sure the devs would be bummed out knowing that people are instantly going the performance route and not experiencing the hard work that went into details and really crisp image quality for their games. Hell when you see these high quality game trailers You know for a fact it’s really quality mode you are looking at and when you finally get the game and play on performance you can just feel that you’re playing on the lesser version of what you saw. Can’t wait for the release of the pro, looking forward to playing Monster Hunter Wilds in the best way possible on console!
People don't understand it's gonna cut out the fidelity performance mode and just have both on titles that can support them both while at the same time given the devs the opportunity to make games run more smoothly then to chose fidelity or performance. Thumbs up west coast homie from the south north Memphis
@@360Kingthrash yeah bro and on my 120 hz tv GOWR plays at 90 fps. I'm hoping it can be bumped to 120 fps with the pro. What I will admit however is I didn't know we couldn't see that many frames.
The frames look identical on the PC comparisons cause youtube won't show you frames above 60 FPS. you can see above 60 FPS with the hardware and a monitor that allows it like it's blatant at 120FPS. anything above that tho it's diminishing returns from my experience i will say.
@@360Kingthrash No like i'm trying to tell you RUclips is only capable of interpreting 60FPS you can look it up. so you're comparing 60FPS from consoles to 60FPS on PC it's gonna look the same unless you do it personally. Then there's youtube's compression playing a factor in quality depending on the codec and bitrate of the video....i'm not trying to be negative it's just i'm a pretty good video editor i know these things.
The fact that everyone talking bad about the ps5 pro. Not just the xbox user but even the pc gamers says alot about the ps5. Next month, The same xbox sx new galaxy edition with 1tb extra for 600$ will be release, but nobody going to talk about that because its not that important.
With how promising PSSR sounds, they will iterate on it greatly, add a next-Gen CPU, a RDNA 6 type GPU, go with 24 GB Ram and a faster SSD. It will be glorious...$599. Book it.
You are wrong to say that the human eye can only see 60fps. It is scientifically proven that a typical person can see about 200 fps, in a fighter pilot this number can reach up to 300 fps.
It's funny how the pc dudes say a lot of things about ps5 pro... But they have no problem building 2-3k rig, playing only 1 to 2 games, and using it mostly to brag in social media rather than actually playing and beating games. Pc elitists are the vegans and the karens in the gaming community. 🤣🤣🤣
1 to 2 games there's PS5 games on PC didn't you know that have a look on steam you can make an account too. Also Sony will release more games on steam in the future 1 to 2 games you joker😂
@Colin-ej6oy did I say that there's only 2 games on pc? Please... read and understand. Oh right.. bots just react they don't try to understand the context.
The SAME PS5 I BEEN PLAYING RE-RELEASES AND REMASTERS ON??? STFUUU Yall forgot about the last 8 generations of gaming. We are in a gaming crash rn when it comes to consoles. People are so stupid
@@FuzzyWuzzy-u4c I understand now I didn't build a PC to just play a few games ok and I'm not a bot chill bro. And that PS5 pro cost $700 because of concord it's blatantly a scam
All this hate proves PS is King of Gaming, haters either can't afford or just don't have PS studio games day 1, god forbid PS touches PC performance or 60fps 😂😂
90 and 120 feel the same to me. I can feel tge difference between 60 and 90. Tge higher you go the less you will see. But 60 definitely not the limit for our eyes. 90fps is my limit.
I can't afford a ps5 pro. I am in so much debt. 😂 I had to use my credit card years ago to get my ps5 and xbox series x. If I was rich i would get it. But I'm broke af.
Trade that x and PS5 in and it will probably pay for the pro, supposedly game stop is offering $410 for the PS5, don't know how much for an x, also if you got a PS4 you can trade in to PS direct for $150, also PS direct has karma which lets you make payments
@magfam9980 not worth it, ps5 ain't got enough new games out for me to do all that. I'm not going to buy a ps5 pro just for it to collect dust. Not selling my Xbox series x, I use it for gamepass and I use the disc drive to watch movies and tv shows on Blu-ray.
PC dudes paying thousands for performance you cant see.
Lol but want to give purchase advice.😅😅 they the dumbest gamers in gaming
“700 is a rip off omg!!!11111” meanwhile their pc’s, cellphones, tablets, all cost way more. I don’t care what pc gamers think they’re hypocrites.
PS messed up with no disc drive, not supporting tell they bundle it or slap one on before shipping, for same price too, physical is king, PC gamers are port beggers for console games, PS needs to stop porting to PC and start porting to PSvr2, exclusives sell consoles, example Xbox why it's failing
PeeCee gamers make xbots look like Mensa members.
Thrash the PS5 pro has started a new war against these butthurt pc dudes
you paying $700 for a console for "performance you cant see."
I swear to God, this past week has validated just how stupid, reactionary, and hypocritical most of the internet is.
Also, people have REALLY WEIRD concepts of “price scaling.”
You mean to tell me you were OKAY with $400-$500 for a base 9-10TFLOP PS5 and OKAY with a $600 12TFLOP Series X with an extra 1TB of storage, but make it $700 for a roughly 30TFLOP PS5 Pro with 2TB of storage and suddenly everyone’s, “OMFG, GO EFF YOURSELVES”?
Do you realize how STUPID and RIDICULOUS that sounds? It’s OKAY if you don’t think you’re going to buy it but don’t sit there and tell me that THE PRICE is the problem when every LAST one of these people trying to construct this argument know DAMN WELL that they’ve went and bought PLENTY of NEW PRODUCTS (a new phone, TV, car, PC, dishwasher, etc) when your older and cheaper one still ACCOMPLISHED THE TASK more than adequately (so the value IS MORE THAN THERE regardless of whether or not they’re willing to see it).
Pure HYPOCRISY at its finest.
Sony is actually held to standards unlike Microsoft.
Do you think PlayStation could go almost two decades without a first party exclusive getting a GotY nomination and still have a fanbase?
“Sony is held to EXTREME standards”
Fixed. It’s like the SAME BS as people being “hyper-partisan” with their politics.
“You expect PlayStation to somehow be BETTER THAN PERFECT but don’t even expect your OWN favorite platform to be halfway DECENT.”
@@jaythomas468oh absolutely, and that comment about politics is especially topical in this environment.
@@ThomastheDankEngine8900
Idk if SICK was the first one to say it, but it’s something I’ve EQUALLY NOTICED over the past several YEARS: bots and PC refugees are DEFINITELY like the MAGA of gaming.
Roughly 30 TFLOPS?
Lol no, its 16 TFLOPS... 😂
There's people who bought multiple switches this generation suddenly having a issue with buying the pro
I got two nintendo switch oled. One for home and one for on the go 🤣🤣🤣. I love nintendo
@@geraldonunez1183
Ehh, no smoke to you, good sir. 👍
That would be Blandrew’s WEIRD ASS that bought like 4 or 5 Switches but has the nerve to complain about buying a SINGLE PS5 Pro.
@@BrokenMessiah1 I would also buy multiple switches if I have kids getting into gaming because it's price is very nice, especially the switch lite
Hey bro these xbots turned PC nuclear engineer physicists have now explained to me a PC can be built without using any RAM.
You only need the GPU's RAM!
Thank you Colt! You are wise beyond your fish face years, who knew all your years of console warring will soon win you the Nobel prize in electric engineering.
Lmaoooo facts
He also made an error years ago with the lan cable. That's why console fanboys shouldn't talk about pcs unless they built and understand
They just being stupid on purpose now. They need our attention 😂
Hate is validation
Don’t understand people crying about the 700-800 price when they’ll buy a 1000+ dollar phone
And it is not mandatory console on top of that.
@@yanayana5408yup, if you don’t want it you don’t need it. Sony isn’t forcing anyone to upgrade. The regular ps5 is fine.
Gaming alone is an expensive hobby if u complaining u out of touch.
Because a phone is just that much more useful and is used (by the vast majority of people) a lot More. Plus miniature technology is expensive on its own and people understand that.
A console is none of that.
Right if someone got a thousand dollar phone why would they get a ps portal? That’s crazy 😂
I can’t wait to pick this up next year PS five pro is going to be epic
Whatever PlayStation 5 you buy your buying greatness.
PC guys and other clowns did not know how to build a good PC for $700 until the PS5 pro was announced. What a joke
people are sleeping on the decima Engine That's the same engine that kajima Use for Death stranding the same engine for death stranding 2 And there's only a few games that look better than horizon
I'd say there is still no game looking better than Horizon and barely any open world game that comes close to on a technical level
The only ones i can think of are Forspoken and Suicide squad kill the justice league
In certain areas, Death Stranding comes PRETTY CLOSE but I still think Horizon generally has A LOT MORE GOING ON in its “open-world.”
@@Pointman11111 thats a stretch. theres tons of ue5 games upcoming and already out that looks better than horizon or just as good as that game.
yall just barely played anything.
@@smwfreak1647 List em
People can complain all they want, the PS5 Pro is an OPTION, not a requirement to get into 4K gaming. I'm perfectly happy with my current PS5 fat.
So many videos popping up with PC players building “$700” dollar pro killers. They either missing a 2tb ssd, a weaker gpu, no power supply or no OS 🤣 plus the price is always well over 700 without tax hilarious.
Don't forget your PC needs no RAM, the GPU RAM is enough.
@@mutalixThat’s cap every PC needs ram
Yea, doing it for real and just admiting the PS5 pro is a $1000 PC for $700 should be enough because the PS5 was at least a $1200 PC at $400. Definely less of a deal. I don't know why one need to lie about it.
Forgot to put ram and one said integrated GPU is enough 🤣🙈
Pc gays $700 pc copium, Lol
If PC is so great and PC is the master race, why are these clowns complaining about consoles? Make it make sense
They don't have any games, their PC games are ancient and run on 300fps now thats it that's PC gaming.
@@NeominousDI had people tell me bg3 was early access in 2020 meaning we let it sit in early aces for 3 yrs until it was ready for consoles
@@zenvultra great point. Why are they even joining the conversation about consoles. Karens of the gaming community. That's what they are. 🤣🤣🤣
@@zenvultra great point. Why are they even joining the conversation about consoles. Karens of the gaming community. That's what they are. 🤣🤣🤣
we're not complaining we're laughing at ponies
They just tight ps5 pro coming out but why is nobody taking about the series x coming out with a extra terabyte and charging 599 for no performance upgrade at all smh 🤦♂️
Hey they skipped that part 💯
That's a ripoff too but flew under the radar. It's not like there was some big reveal of it. Most people aren't aware of it's existence.
Guys pretending like they're playing games at the 4k120 Ultra setting are lying their asses off, and if they truly were playing at 4K120, the PC they're playing on would be $5K+.
There is no such thing I have a 4090 and all new games can't be played without dlss at 4k 60fps they are lying scumbags.
Bravo.
So now think about it. If you need top of the line PC to run that shit that high, what a 700 usd 200w console can deliver?
Yes, it's all a marketing lie.
Anyone with COMMON SENSE knows that consoles outpace PC per pound of relative horsepower because they’re “specialty devices” meant to do ONE THING REALLY WELL and it’s why you’ve ALWAYS generally needed a PC that’s 40-60% more powerful “on paper” because all that extra horsepower inevitably ends up “bogged down” by ALL THE OTHER STUFF it has to do.
PC players will LIE TO THEMSELVES AND EVERYONE ELSE like this ISN’T the case (because they don’t want to feel STUPID for spending hundreds more on a product that ultimately ends up in the same “performance and fidelity ballpark” as the $400-$500 console).
Though take it from someone who GREW UP ON and played on PC YEARS AGO; if your ENTIRE philosophy behind building a PC is just to MERELY “match” or “edge out” a $400-$500 console in the first place, you’ve ALREADY LOST that battle.
Go big or go TF home. Make it something that could direct an ICBM from space while doing your taxes and playing music, otherwise, you’re WASTING YOUR TIME (unless you just plan to do work on it AS WELL or want to make it into a dedicated “virtual machine” or “emulation hub”).
@@randalldraco3822 What are you talking about you just want to hate because it is cool
@randalldraco3822 I'm playing Spiderman 2 in balanced mode. Open world with raytracing. Show a PC that can run that game at the same settings as the PS5 at that price.
Bro, your vids are long, but when I have the time to listen it’s always the best content out there. Keep up the good work
I appreciate that
42:54 in addition the PC heads complain about the PS5 Pro not having a disc drive.
I’d like to know when was it the last time they’ve used one in their fuckin PC. They can’t even fathom the idea of having a disk drive in their PC’s. And their bitchen about the Pro has it as an option.
PC has dozens of digital stores to choose from while on console you're locked to one store unless you have a disc drive.
@@acf8888 your saying we PC heads have multiple stores that we use to purchase digital games. So why the pro doesn’t have a disc drive…!
Are you ok ?
@@mediaage What's so hard to understand? PC gamers don't need a drive because we have lot's of digital stores to buy games from. The only way for a console gamer to have lots of stores to choose from is having a disc drive. Wukong is digital only so even PS 5 owners with drives have one store to buy it from. PC gamers have dozens of stores to buy it from and it's on sale for 15% off at GMG and 10% off at Fanatical right now. PSN probably won't have it on sale until the winter sale. Now if the game were physical you would already have used copies at a reduced price. You say it's pc gamers who complain about it having no disc drive. So you're saying all console gamers are fine with it having no disc drive? A PS 4 owner with PS 4 physical games doesn't care that PS 5 pro has no drive? PS 5 owner with physical games looking to upgrade to Pro doesn't care about having to buy a drive separately?
they putting training wheels on for devs. so that below Average devs can make average games, Average devs can make better games, the takented devs can go crazy with it. Genius on Sony part
Bingo.
It’s funny how everyone “frames” this as a PlayStation L, though, when they’re just GIVING THEM the extra horsepower they wanted, it’s ultimately UP TO THEM to make use of it.
@@jaythomas468it’s actually a W.
People look at the price, say it’s too expensive, and that they’ll build a PC.
Then they realize how much more PC costs, and then they realize, you know what?
The PS5 Pro is actually a solid deal.
@@ThomastheDankEngine8900
Again, it’s like this epiphany I had years ago; it’ll seem AMAZING AT FIRST and then it just becomes your “default experience” and then sometime later on, you’ll end up playing something on a console LATER ON and realize, “wait a minute, this isn’t THAT DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT. Why TF did I pay all that extra money again?”
Sony should hire you this is insane
I wouldn't take the job
Damn
PS5 Pro got these people questioning their existence as PC gamers 😂
Exactly, they freak out when a console reaches pc performance.
On the contrary.
Ps pro will push many people to pc gaming.
@@aaronwalsh8469Are you for real? PC gamer here laughing at the specs of the PS5 Pro, I have a PS5, but my PC does everything better.
@@Chrissage-Gamingthen why are they getting their panties in a bunch?
@aaronwalsh8469 No idea, bro. I think a lot of them really want you to build a similarly priced PC instead, which would perform better. I'm a massive gamer: PC, plus PlayStation and Switch. Consoles were always supposed to be the cheaper option. Now, we're approaching the price point where you can just build a better equivalent PC, especially when you factor in having to pay each year to play online with a console.
PC players shouldn't have picked this fight, who would have thought that the master race is so insecure.
They really gunna hate this video
@@360Kingthrash everyone from Steve to Jay to Linus building a PC with cheap parts for 500$ to 700$ to find out it can't compete with the Pro. 😂 PS5 pro creating revenue for PC content creators because they got nothing to do exept wait for PS games and sales.😂 very boring out there on PC streets without PlayStation .
@@NeominousDLet's assume that PC gamers and XBOX gamers got every game they wanted day one as there were no more PlayStation exclusives as Sony went bankrupt. I mean that is secretly what they all want. They expect to get games made by the studios which Sony used to own before its bankruptcy and those would be multiplatform titles with no online fees on the PC. This can't work and I don't see why they don't realise it. Sony sell their big AAA games at a loss because they know they are system sellers. They make only a slight profit on the SKUs but more off the ecosystem as they charge 3rd party publishers a royalty to sell their game through their store. That is why PlayStation Marketplace games are more expensive than the same game when it eventually comes to PC. _Spider-Man 2_ would not have been made if the PC market had to fund it themselves in advance. No single publisher is rich enough for that. You would get _GTA VI_ from Take 2, but that is about it.
@@____uncompetativeI recently said something close to this a company that has been forced to not sell its products won’t start giving them up they’ll just completely stop
@____uncompetative now this is the best comment I've read on a looooooong time, speaking straight FACTS what's yur psn my dude gotta friend you
Hey, some real talk. I'm all day nintendo man but after yo analysis I'm now jumping on the pro. Got 10 sealed ps4 games ready to upgrade
I feel like beating horizon forbidden west for a third time once I get my pro 🤣
Hope this is satire lol
What I find funny is Xbox launched with no games but they said it has gamepass, best deal in gaming etc but when Sony show the pro it’s “where’s the new games to show it off” “why they showing old games” as if the new games won’t have the same enhancements when they actually are shown?! Gaming media are not slick and the sheep that follow them and listen to their bs don’t think for themselves. I can’t wait to get my hands on the pro and yes I will play the old games again at their full potential along with all the new goodies like wolverine. Great video thrash.
Bit cloud has officially turned into a pc fanboy 😂
Sad times....he don't even like pc
The funny thing about this whole thing is how it exposed how console players actually know more about PCs than "PC" dudes
Exactly
It's ridiculous, you won't get a PC equivalent to a PS5 Pro with 700, or even 1000 dollars. Yet many PC RUclipsrs are gaslighting their audience.
@@kaisersoymilk6912are you sure. Do you know how is it is?
I built PCs and I can't send you parts and list, all new parts for 850
@@kaisersoymilk6912plus with a PC you can do so much more than just gaming. yes gaming might be your first priority but so much can be done. Like productivity tasks.
Funny thing is that's complete bullshit.
Let's hear some of that PC knowledge then...
There are a few builds that are within range of the PS5 PRO.
It's a but more expensive, $750.00 to $800.00 is the average.
46:21 This is what the PC players that are obsessed with consoles matters will never acknowledge
cope console peasant 😂 you don't even know what 1% lows are
Good job showing the difference if sony did this from the start hermits would of kept their mouth closed
I dont wanna hear shit from a PC dude unless you can build a PC at the same or better power of the Pro at a cheaper price. You will never see this though.
Exactly.
And EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE “PC propagandists” fails to ACKNOWLEDGE that you OFTEN NEED to build a PC much BEYOND what the equivalent console’s “power level” is, because a PC is designed to do A LOT OF THINGS and just simply isn’t AS EFFICIENT per pound of relative horsepower (so to meaningfully “match” or “exceed” just a base PS5 at 9-10TFLOPs, you probably need to end up building a PC in the 20+ TFLOP “range” unless you ALREADY HAVE a dedicated case, power supply, CPU, motherboard, and RAM, so you’re just upgrading the graphics card which is the ONLY WAY you could DISINGENUOUSLY make the argument that you could do it “for cheaper”).
And honestly, if your entire philosophy behind building a PC is merely to “match” or “edge out” what the “economy option” of a console is doing, you’ve ALREADY LOST.
You’ll never see a pc cost 500$-800$ for the same power of the pro (brand new) just like I proved colteastwood wrong when he recommended a 864$ pc without RAM lmao it was the RX 7700 XT gpu now I seen a comparison video with a RX 7700 XT with a RX 7800 XT with 32gb RAM mind you the RX 7700 XT couldn’t do 4k/60fps on ultra lmao it only did 35fps so anyone saying buy a Walmart 900$ pc are only playing 1080p/1440p ultra and getting 57-89fps maybe lmao
ps+ is 80 dollars a year and controllers are 75 dollars that start to stick drift in a bout a year, do you count that into the price? If current gen lasts for atleast 4 more years that is 470-620 dollars on top of 700 dollar console. You can build more powerful pc than pro for over a thousand.
@@SD-vp5vo
PS+ is actually a good thing, I’ve realized, because it establishes a simple “barrier of entry” to help keep a lot of the cheating/hacking d-bags that run rampant on PC out (and seriously, you’re talking the price of ONE GAME over 12 months; I ain’t happy about paying for it but it is what it is).
Are you factoring in your keyboard and “loss of time spent” having to troubleshoot and set stuff up as money spent as well?
Seriously, we’re complaining about buying the accessories/peripherals now to drive up the price argument?
Stop coping.
@@jaythomas468 that's not how cheating works on ps network. You can buy cheap keyboard, plug it in and it will just work, nothing to troubleshoot. I built my pc myself and in 2 hours everything was set and running. It literally updates all of the drivers by itself like a ps5 software update does. I know cause I own both.
You lost me at the PC benchmark potion of the video. The 3090 and 4090 will not display a difference in image quality if set to the same quality settings.
I've been gaming on both PC and console for a long time and you can see and feel the difference between 60 and 120hz
You can't physically see past 60fps. You can only trick yourself into thinking you can
@@360Kingthrash You can definitely see past 60fps, competitive fps gamers can see/react to 300+fps. But 60fps is smooth enough for most things. The only way you can't see past 60fps is if your eyes are busted, same way some people can't see past 30fps
@@360Kingthrash Sorry King you can see the difference. Got my first high referesh monitor back in 2011 or 12, a BenQ XL2420T and upgraded a few times along the way and ended up with a 280hz Alienware AW2723DF. I agree with regarding some PC guys downplaying the PROs upgrades, most are remnants of the old Xbox army.
PC gamers constantly getting schooled by Thrash.
49:43 that’s crazy and they really do talk about it being unlocked for what you can’t tell the difference
How come one shot is in high resolution, another is at 480p, and then it drops to 160p?
You make a lot of great points, nothing really I can point out besides some of these:
16:00 - 18:00 PC games-at least most of them-offer an auto-optimize feature that helps you get the best balance between graphics and performance based on your system's specs. I rarely have issues (maybe with one or two games), and I can typically play at the highest settings. PCs tend to handle hardware evolution well, especially since CPUs and GPUs keep advancing-often faster than consoles. That said, you don’t always need to upgrade your GPU or CPU constantly. I've had the RTX 3060 for almost five years now, and I can still run Ready Or Not on Ultra settings. The only thing I’ll need to upgrade soon is my CPU to stay up-to-date.
32:30 - 35:30 Oh, I noticed the difference without the slow motion.
41:55 - 45:00: The price wasn't the biggest issue, but having to buy the stand and disc drive separately brings the total to almost $900. The price is high in other places too, so the PS5 Pro might cost around 9000 NOK here in Norway-cheaper than a proper gaming PC but still quite expensive. Honestly, if you want to play games, the PS5 Pro is a great value for what you need. I do think upgrading a PC is more expensive, but it usually lasts longer. For example, my laptop from 2010 still runs high graphics, while my PS3 is starting to die, even though I’ve cleaned and fixed both.
As for the RTX 4080, it’s not really much of an upgrade compared to the 3080 or 3090, but your comment is still valid. Depending on where you buy, you could get a full PC for the price of just a graphics card. I went with a custom build, so mine was extra, but without the additional parts, it would be around $1500-almost the same price as a gaming PC with an RTX 3080 that could last you forever.
46:10 Yes you can lock it at whatever frame you wish.
46:40 It is hard to notice but thanks to the slow-motion I can kind of tell the difference, I mostly look at the gun lol
48:70 - 52:40 If we are talking about graphic it is harder on this game to tell, I would maybe use games like Cyberpunk, Ready Or Not or Kingdom Come. (Then I see Cyberpunk afterwards but they don't have RTX on.)
53:20 I mean the difference is clear as day.
For me overall, you make a lot of great points that I agree with, and I often find myself thinking, 'That’s fair.' For me and many of my friends, two things are most important: good graphics and good performance, both of which the PS5 Pro delivers on. If I can spend an hour just admiring the background in Kingdom Come, enjoying the rain in Ready or Not, or diving into the gameplay of Cyberpunk, I’m happy.
Will I get the PS5 Pro? There's a chance, but I’m leaning towards not getting it because most of the games I want are already available on PC. Even though I like physical discs, I’m currently about 40:60 on whether I’ll get it.
Fair points.
What kinda annoys me about a lot of this is all the gaming media/RUclipsr “gaslighting” where a lot of them are just sticking their respective fingers in the air to determine WHICH WAY the wind is blowing and then making their videos REFLECTIVE OF THAT rather than their OWN “privileged” circumstances or whatever (what I’m saying is MOST OF THEM LIKELY already have top-of-the-line PCs for their “jobs” and then they also game on them, so of course a PS5 Pro ISN’T going to seem like a “necessary upgrade” coming from THAT “privileged” standpoint, but that’s NOT WHAT THEY’RE ARGUING, they’re acting like they’re John Q. Moneypenny who can barely afford his rent and groceries each month).
End of the day game the way you want. I've just really started getting into PC gaming and I see my going in that direction. Sticking with the based PS5 and invest more in my PC set up.
Dude you are a comedian ! I love your break downs lol
Lmaooo thanks🫡
My steam deck was 800 bucks. That's basically the power of a base PS4. Im definitely getting the Pro. My tv has all the bells and whistles to take advantage of all of this.
@DeniedANull
You ain’t wrong about that, lol.
That said (and I’m not directing ANY SMOKE at the OP), I have been seeing some DUMBASS MFs trying to use like the ASUS ROG Ally as a point of contention against the price of the PS5 Pro (where I’m just like, “BRO, TF are you even doing?”).
More exclusives on the steam deck too
@@rocketmagnet427
No one LEGITIMATELY cares about the Steam Deck except the weirdos whose mouths are wrapped firmly around Valve and Steam’s balls, the PCMR crowd who brags about how beastly their towers are while playing on a 540p handheld, and/or the people who plan to use it to pirate everything.
Anyone who built a $2,000 PC shouldn't talk about how expensive ps5 pro is
that $2,000 PC is probably as powerful as the PS6 will be and its 5+ yr old hardware.
For a decent build, you need 1000 dollars. The thing about a PC is that once can't provide the required performance, you only replace the GPU if the CPU you have is strong enough.
So a 800-1000 dollar pc now and in the future you only replace the GPU for 500 to 600 dollars
... I'm starting to realize that most people that fanboy for consoles are really just poor... Because other than financial reasons, why would anyone ever purchase this product?? Certainly not for the games... Or for the pro dual controller that's not included... To watch DVDs or Blu-ray or use the disc drive that's also not included...
@@LadyBits2023Only poor people have $700 to waste on a console with no games and no disc drive? That logic doesn't really make any sense.
@@cameronramey9667facts
PRO DAY 1 👍 that’s if a scalper doesn’t snatch it away 😂
Hopefully, since they’re SUPPOSEDLY DOING THEM EXCLUSIVELY through PlayStation Direct on September 26th until opening them up to OTHER RETAILERS on October 10th, that’ll AT LEAST give a lot of us a “fair shot” at getting one.
I’m guessing they’re going to have a State of Play right before they open up, too (unless they do one THIS WEEK).
Thanks for sharing! Been on the fence about getting the PS5 pro but now I think I am getting one! I used to be a pc gamer but I am tired of stuttering and not being able to play a game at launch. Also pc gaming has become too expensive. I build computers and 700 bucks is way cheaper than a comparable build that would match the PS5 pro.
Simply a great and entertaining video Thrash 🤜🏽🤛🏾
🫡🫡🫡🙏 appreciated sir!
Great video, that 3090 4090 comparison was eye opening. Pc folks be spending thousands of dollars for basically negligible differences
😂😂😂
What? The ps5 poo have 16 TFLOPS of power for $700+everything.. 😂
@dusermiginte4647 the base ps5 has 9 tf and it runs games better than the 12tf Xbox x. Yall already lost that battle 🙂
@@Cameracat89 the console sales yes, and its like 30M sold is very little..
However...
..Xbox is winning everything else and you know it. sony knows it and jim ryan knew it..
@dusermiginte4647 if xbox winning means more games come to Playstation then I'm for it 👍
@@Cameracat89 more games will be ported but bot all, maybe 1/3 of all Xbox first party games..
And yes, MS First Party games making insane money right now..
Look at COD BO6...
Cerny said raytracing is what makes current gen better then last gen and he said its going to be the best upgrade this gen, pro makes raytracing even better, I akways pick raytracing mode when available
Yeah, the biggest idea of the Pro upgrade is to allow the "ray tracing mode" to go up to 60fps, same as the performance modes usually go (with little to no work from the developers, which is paramount here - most likely just unlocking the framerate limiters)
All these pc guys are xbots that went to pc so they could beat PlayStation are pissed because the pro is at or near whatever pc they bought.
For me it would have been cool if the pro had a built in psVr
If they could tell the difference in frames there wouldnt be any need for a frame rate counter on the screen
Exactly
RUclips only displays 60fps, to view 120fps and above you need 120hz+ monitor
I slowed the video so you can see the frames
@@360Kingthrash Slowing down would work 60fps against 30fps but 120fps gets exported into 60fps on youtube and wouldn't represent what actual live display would, also we can see more than 60fps, it just gets less noticeable from 244hz and upwards
but how come it doesn't make me a coffee whenever i am playing.🙃
I like the observation i've been seeing that people are using pcpartpicker to build PCs that they themselves wouldn't by and certainly wouldn't use. I can take it a step further
PC people say frame rate is of paramount importance. The also say response times are vital. Graphics are unimportant. That isn't reflected in what they build.
To maximize frame rate you take the best CPU and balance it in an acceptable graphics like 1080p med. If you wanted to do that the ideal build would be a mix a 7800x3d with about a 6800 for ~$1200-$1500 getting around 200 fps in most popular single player games and 500+ in Esport titles. Adding to the GPU would just make it prettier not increase the frame rate. People are instead going for 1440p 144hz ultra machines for a similar price with a drastically lower frame rate. Their actions don't follow their mouth. Visuals matter to them.
Also if response times are vital an OLED would would also be vital at 30 microsecond response time. Console players have a higher adoption of OLED. They are also buying 1440p 144hz LED monitors.
They are just console waring and poorly at that.
@DeniedANull yea, they build what they want the most and they sacrifice a ton of frames for visuals while saying visuals aren't important and frames are huge. Do i have to say "Not all" beause no claim hits 100% of people obviously.
@DeniedANull It is very very rare that a pc person maximizes frame rate. Nvidia wouldn't be the one of the richest company in the world if visuals wheren't so important and intel wouldn't be circuling the drain.
I wonder if the people in comment section complaining about the price realizes that the price of most goods in the world are increasing
The Pro renders the graphics 45% faster than the base PS5. The gpu is more than double the raw power .The PSSR upscales similar to DLSS on nvidia gpus. The whole point is improved image quality at higher frame rates and improved Raytracing
The thumbnail is diabolical 😅😅😅
Lmaoo
Fidelity mode is dead on PS5 Pro. Performance mode with better-than-fidelity looks day one on PS5 Pro. Indiana Jones in Performance Mode will look better than the standard 4K upres 30 fps XBSX version.
I was waiting on this one and it dropped on my bday thanks thrash
Happy birthday!!!
@@360Kingthrash thanks bro
PSSR can wait……:.If you game on a Sony mid tier + tv and lose resolution on a game due to performance mode, just bump that “Reality Creation” tool under clarity tab and you’re back to eye candy.
I have it on max nonstop with max shsrpness if the game can handle it why would i downgrade that much in quality just to get more fps thats ridiculous fuc fps 😂
PS5 Pro is gonna destroy Series X in GTA 6 😂
😂 in Japan not in America. Ain’t nobody about to pay 800 dollars for a ps5 pro and gta. That’s how it’s gonna go. People here gonna get a 399 series X with gamepass at the same time buy gta 6 PlayStation just destroyed there self here but in Japan they just like Nintendo. Matter a fact Japan is roasting ps5 pro they don’t even want it
@@rodeyrevengeYour comment is edited and it is still full of grammatical errors. I would hate to have seen the unedited version.
Bought or not, PS5 Pro would decimated XSX still.
@@balaam_7087that's your way of admitting defeat
You do realize the pro isn't that great right? Digital foundry has already broken it down.
You have basically convinced me 100% now.
Good video Thrash! I can tell you exactly why these PC dudes are doing all this. They have NOTHING in their lives except the PC. They sit in the dark basement of mum&dad's house for 18 hours a day and want to feel ‘special’ when they spend over $1,000 on a GPU. 😂A normal person who has other hobbies and/or family besides gaming would never be as toxic and annoying as these fanboys. The worst in gaming dude.
There’s a reason WHY these PC gamers love playing these “simulation games” with survival, crafting, and all that other BS.
They NEED A GAME to simulate the drudgery and tedium of having an everyday life: something they don’t have.
@@jaythomas468 FACTS 👍🏻
@@razor_no1 😁
I want to be clear, though: if you game on PC and just kinda “stay in your lane,” I got no problem with whatever you choose to enjoy.
It’s all the WEIRD MFs that come into “console conversations” with this “fake sense of superiority and elitism” which, you know, is usually reserved for things that BOOST the PERCEPTION of your “social status” (driving a Corvette, wearing an Armani suit, having a Rolex, etc).
You know, things that help GET YOU LAID.
Despite all the “faux elitism and superiority complexes,” I’ve NEVER ONCE HEARD of someone getting laid by showing off their beastly PC rig (hell, IF ANYTHING, it would make the person they’re trying to impress and clap cheeks with RUN THE OTHER WAY because the perception from them would MOST LIKELY end up being, “aww GREAT, this is probably some DORK that plays WoW”).
Dude! Bro thanks for really breaking this sh** down to a digestible level! I’m locked in✨ and you got a SUB
PC dudes spend $500-$1000 on just a card to upgrade their rig just to achieve the same amount of gains
Fake PC gamers and their feces, 😂 real PC gamers really don’t engage with consoles, they busy playing CS, DOTA etc.
Pc Gaming died for me in 1995 October when i get the First Playstation 🎉30 years of Action and fucking fun 💣💥
I’ll definitely get PS5 Pro if I could afford it but being on my own on disability can’t afford it.
Hey King Great Video, I think it would be even better if you were able to upload it in 4K/2160p maybe someday I'll help you out so you can upgrade your stuff so you can upload your comparison videos in 4K with a ultra high bitrate
Yeah, I was thinking of looking into it tbh I'll hook it up one day
@@360Kingthrash Unfortunately you need a really expensive PC to upload a video in 4K to dogshit on the PC Master Race Peasents that PRETEND they have a computer more powerful than the PS5 Pro (but they actually don't OR they do but for some reason their monitor is 144Hz and maxed at 1440 or 1600p and cant even go up to 4K/2160p. Meanwhile we have 4K OLED TVs) I hope that Sony makes a Work& PlayStation 6 as a computer companion to the PlayStation 6 with their own operating system and PC programs and apps to do everything PCs can do but has a PlayStation 6 built inside of it.
@@WilliamRAguilarthat is an excellent idea actually.
@@giminaza007
Honestly, that was part of Microsoft’s FEAR that spurred them to get into the gaming space to begin with, because Sony wanted NOTHING TO DO with their software in the PS2 and PS3 and FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, opted to go for an OpenGL “software environment” rather than DirectX (obviously NOW DirectX is pretty much THE STANDARD but at the time, it WASN’T that clear-cut).
You shown this better than digital foundry. Can see the difference with your videos.
Pc killer?? Comeon fam im a 30 yr playstation fan myself but we not gonna do this thrash.This is getting ridiculous
Definitely going to expose them 1600 chips
Well, actually its not 700$, it's 810$ starting price, and then 80$ for PS+.
Just because they making an Apple move doesn't fool me.
You sound dumb.
Go digital.
Or don't buy.
The funny thing is, there probably would still be games that would already have a bedrock graphical ceiling because of their art style, game structure and such (say, modern Metroidvanias, Indie adventure games, or cell-shaded anime style games), and the graphical modes available on the Base PS5 are merely choice between stable framerates or more pronounced particle effects. If these games tap into PS5 Pro, several might have no path forward but to simply omit the dichotomy because they can hit stable maximum framerate and the desired effects at the same time, being rare occasions where features are removed for the better.
And I'm saying this because it did happen with a Switch game that was brought to 9th gen, Gris, which was released natively for both Series consoles and PS5 not too long ago. The Series X version had a choice between a 60fps mode for 4K res, or a 120fps mode for 1080p; the PS5 version has no graphical selection, because it CAN run 120fps at 4K, plus haptics, the devs probably have no point aiming higher in any aspect.
If the Pro is as capable as Cerny advertise it, I think a lot of games, mainly outside the mainstream AAA realm, would get this "omission of graphical modes" on the machine.
Edit: got switched on the 60fps/4K and 120fps/1080p
Can’t wait to get the ps5 pro! Hearing all this fake outrage makes me think I’ll have a better chance of getting it day one but in reality I know it’s gonna be tough
PS5Pro got PC dudes in the wall 😂😂
No it doesn’t they tryna save y’all 😂🙏🏽
My bro, it really doesn't. We're trying to save you from being scammed, just build a better PC for similar price.
My bro over here is happy to get scammed....... At this point you might as well fall victim to the Indian macafee scam....... 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@Chrissage-Gaming Seriously, PS 5 Pro is a lot less bang for the buck than PS 5 was in 2020
😂😂😂 bro what is that thumbnail ? 😂
Anyways, personally, i'm hoping the current negative sentiment persists until i secure my preorder ( i'm selfish like that 🤷♂️) . I still remember my base ps5 preorder experience... it was a battle royal and i don't want to through that again lol.
Lmaooo
Once youve seen the improvement ps5 pro does, you cant unsee it. Now base ps5 looks wash out to me
😅
Great video this even happened with the ps4 the gtx680 launched at $500 in 2012 then in 2013 the gtxtitan launched for $1000. The ps4 was $399 console gamers did not run and tell pc gamers that upgrading wasnt worth it.
Ive seen xbots on VGfightschool saying the series x is as powerful as the pro 😂
Its not, its a 4 TFLOPS difference between the Series X and the ps5 poo (for $700+everything).
@dusermiginte4647 it's 2 tflops difference between the sx and ps5 😂 look how that turned out 🤦♂️
@@tristman8413 that all UE5 games plays better on the Series X?
@dusermiginte4647 no they don't lol
@@tristman8413 what ever makes you sleep better, Im right tho..
Great video king, good info.
I think you need to be careful comparing how washed out some shots look compared to others. Sometimes its just how the game was captured that makes it look washed out. Sometimes its youtube compression or twitter compression that causes it.
Well, that’s ALSO what’s had me SMFH at a lot of this stupidity is that people are trying to compare RUclips screen captures and use that as an ULTIMATE point of contention like, “OMG, see?! YOU CAN’T EVEN TELL THE DIFFERENCE!!!”
Which I’m just like, “….Jesus Christ. You’re NOT going to really see that in a RUclips video, bud.”
I can BARELY TELL what TF Digital Foundry’s trying to show when they do those “side-by-side” multiplatform game comparisons when watching it in a RUclips video (hell, in some of those without OBVIOUS “substantive gaps” in framerate and resolution between one version and another, I doubt you’d even be able to SEE THE DIFFERENCE if both versions were running side-by-side RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU at home on identical TVs/monitors sitting RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER).
1:05:48 preach! When you switch to quality mode from performance depending on the game the graphics improvements are big. Thrash is 100% right, I’m sure the devs would be bummed out knowing that people are instantly going the performance route and not experiencing the hard work that went into details and really crisp image quality for their games. Hell when you see these high quality game trailers You know for a fact it’s really quality mode you are looking at and when you finally get the game and play on performance you can just feel that you’re playing on the lesser version of what you saw. Can’t wait for the release of the pro, looking forward to playing Monster Hunter Wilds in the best way possible on console!
Day 1
Let’s go !
so many pc mr outed themselves as steam gamers lol, they doent even know what fsr does lol
We gonna laugh so hard when Indiana Jones and Doom dark ages will be best played on PS5 PRO
@DeniedANull Yeah, but I'm talking about console performance
People don't understand it's gonna cut out the fidelity performance mode and just have both on titles that can support them both while at the same time given the devs the opportunity to make games run more smoothly then to chose fidelity or performance. Thumbs up west coast homie from the south north Memphis
Damn PlayStation killed two birds (Xbox and PeeCee) with one stone.
PlayStation have broken their spirits 😂
You sure?
I really wonder how it will perform on wukong and Warhammer. They only displayed enhancements on older games, except Alan wake 2 and Hogwarts.
@@ShadyPlatinum777 PS5 pro has broken your brain
@@gillleehahn7451damn you really hurt by a $750 box. Sad 😂
So i should be able to play GOW at 120 instead of 90
Why? Did you not watch the video?
Did you not comprehend what the ps5pro does?
@@360Kingthrash yeah bro and on my 120 hz tv GOWR plays at 90 fps. I'm hoping it can be bumped to 120 fps with the pro. What I will admit however is I didn't know we couldn't see that many frames.
The frames look identical on the PC comparisons cause youtube won't show you frames above 60 FPS. you can see above 60 FPS with the hardware and a monitor that allows it like it's blatant at 120FPS. anything above that tho it's diminishing returns from my experience i will say.
I slowed the video for that reason guy...keep up
@@360Kingthrash No like i'm trying to tell you RUclips is only capable of interpreting 60FPS you can look it up. so you're comparing 60FPS from consoles to 60FPS on PC it's gonna look the same unless you do it personally. Then there's youtube's compression playing a factor in quality depending on the codec and bitrate of the video....i'm not trying to be negative it's just i'm a pretty good video editor i know these things.
Most people play video games. Vicky Bengali pretends he knows how to play video games. Let that sink in. 🤣🤣🤣
That bihh n199a 😂
Literally cocoa butter, famo always got me dying on the floor lol
The fact that everyone talking bad about the ps5 pro. Not just the xbox user but even the pc gamers says alot about the ps5. Next month, The same xbox sx new galaxy edition with 1tb extra for 600$ will be release, but nobody going to talk about that because its not that important.
You can see frames higher than 60 thrash. You know damn well if you wave your hand in front of your face it's smoother than 60 frames on the TV.
What up thrash 👍
What upppppppp
@@360Kingthrash cope levels are up! These ppl bashing the pro are in their feels for some reason 🤣
I don't class PC as a gaming device it's only something you can do with it it ain't a dedicated gaming platform.
“Ps5 pro is not for gamers its for developers, but gamers need the console that developers use to make the games”
wot
The consoles are made for developers, not gamers.
Games made by the developers are for the gamers.
@@360Kingthrash but the gamers HAVE to have the console to play the game the developers have developed
If, in fact, it is 2X more powerful than the base PS5, could we assume the PS6 will be 4X the base PS5? I can see Sony doubling the power every 4 yrs.
With how promising PSSR sounds, they will iterate on it greatly, add a next-Gen CPU, a RDNA 6 type GPU, go with 24 GB Ram and a faster SSD. It will be glorious...$599. Book it.
You are wrong to say that the human eye can only see 60fps. It is scientifically proven that a typical person can see about 200 fps, in a fighter pilot this number can reach up to 300 fps.
It's funny how the pc dudes say a lot of things about ps5 pro... But they have no problem building 2-3k rig, playing only 1 to 2 games, and using it mostly to brag in social media rather than actually playing and beating games. Pc elitists are the vegans and the karens in the gaming community. 🤣🤣🤣
1 to 2 games there's PS5 games on PC didn't you know that have a look on steam you can make an account too. Also Sony will release more games on steam in the future 1 to 2 games you joker😂
@Colin-ej6oy did I say that there's only 2 games on pc? Please... read and understand. Oh right.. bots just react they don't try to understand the context.
The SAME PS5 I BEEN PLAYING RE-RELEASES AND REMASTERS ON??? STFUUU Yall forgot about the last 8 generations of gaming. We are in a gaming crash rn when it comes to consoles. People are so stupid
@@FuzzyWuzzy-u4c I understand now I didn't build a PC to just play a few games ok and I'm not a bot chill bro. And that PS5 pro cost $700 because of concord it's blatantly a scam
@@FuzzyWuzzy-u4c Build a PC mate stop supporting these scammers
How would you have felt had you not eaten breakfast today?
All this hate proves PS is King of Gaming, haters either can't afford or just don't have PS studio games day 1, god forbid PS touches PC performance or 60fps 😂😂
It is touching PC performance. It's all contingent on the developer.
Hey Thrash, you have some great uploads and valid points alot of people need to pay attention to. 💯💪🏾
Great video king
Appreciate it
90 and 120 feel the same to me. I can feel tge difference between 60 and 90. Tge higher you go the less you will see. But 60 definitely not the limit for our eyes. 90fps is my limit.
I can't afford a ps5 pro. I am in so much debt. 😂 I had to use my credit card years ago to get my ps5 and xbox series x. If I was rich i would get it. But I'm broke af.
Trade that x and PS5 in and it will probably pay for the pro, supposedly game stop is offering $410 for the PS5, don't know how much for an x, also if you got a PS4 you can trade in to PS direct for $150, also PS direct has karma which lets you make payments
I traded in some old games and got most of the money, and that’s before selling my PS5.
@magfam9980 not worth it, ps5 ain't got enough new games out for me to do all that. I'm not going to buy a ps5 pro just for it to collect dust. Not selling my Xbox series x, I use it for gamepass and I use the disc drive to watch movies and tv shows on Blu-ray.
Dont trip bro get it when you can. Im not balling either but im trading in my old system and paying the difference