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I have a RX 7700 XT & I5-14400F, 2x16GB RAM DDR5, 1 TB SSD nvme 2.0 corsair, and the AGL850 PCIE power support in my pc, how does it compare to a PS5 & PS5 Pro?
u cant compare something that is not out yet all are happy with ps5 pro except some pc nerds and xbots pc gaming is pain in the ess with all the crashes and fixes and most annoying if those pc hackers and cheaters and is 3 times more expansive then what pro is and even then u will have to keep getting new cpu gpu to keep it up
i have a better idea for u to get more likes on your video without talking nonsense to build a pc without usb c / windows OS /hdmi cables /controllers /wifi 7 /motherboard that dont support gen 4 gpus no keyboard & mouse and pc desk all these things need to play on pc so MY idea is how about making a video for all the pc gamers who still playing on 1080 and 1660 and 2070/2080 gpu pc and below PCs and those who dont want to waste 10000s of cash to get latest gpu every 2-3 years and why they should be getting ps5 pro instead of building over expansive pc ? if they only game but if they do other things with pc then its a different story
@@mutha_fnmikey2325 I find it funny that you call 4080 or 4090 as "true 4K gaming cards" when Nvidia is pushing technologies to render in a lower resolution to upscale it to 4K. It is the same thing what PS5 Pro will be doing but in lower FPS against the compared 1000-2000€ cards
I dont really know what you are trying to say, ofcourse console has similarities to pc. Consoles are just watered down pc's. Upscaling has existed for way longer than you think the Xbox one would upscale 1440p to 4k if you wanted that "4k" experience.
@@irsshill4502It's not even that , I think a 3060 ti is 16.2 tflops which should be about what PS5 PRO actually is when you cut its 33tflops in half down to real world performance.
As an owner of a PC and PS5 i feel like there is a good portion of people who should just by a used PS5. Alot of folks just play 2 or 3 of the same games because thats all they have time for .99% of big games that release will be on the PS5 .
Not having ownership of my PC games is what causes me to buy all the new big AAA games on PS5. I solved the subscription problem by not paying for it. I wish I could have ownership though, I'd buy all my games on PC (which I still have).
@@AgagaSnsns There are very few games on modern consoles that are contained 100% on disc. You still have to download and install additional content for most games. That means the disc is just a proof of purchase and not the whole game.
@@AgagaSnsns brother u can get everything for free and own it permanently if you want to in pc , dont even try to say ps5 is better. and the fact that u miss out on countless pc games on ps5 , while u can still run most of the ps5 exclusive games on pc and imaging having to pay to play a game online that you already spent 60$ on , the only reason why i moved on from consoles.
Dangerously close to an equally powerfull 1000$ USD PC. Except with paid online, no mods, no steam sales, no emulation, no productivity tools and fixed 60fps.
Here in the UK, the disc drive costs £100 and the vertical stand is £25. Total of £825 (about $1,083) just for the console! Then there's the PS+ cost which is £60/year for essential, £100 for extra or £120 for premium. And there's also the fact that new games cost £70. Depending on which PS+ tier you go for, you could be talking £1,000 ($1,300) FOR A CONSOLE! At that point you may as well just put that money towards a new PC. I'll just stick with my base PS5 and my 4070 PC.
@@dahnleycabreros4151but we can't throw it away in our calculations either. Cloud saves and online gaming are important to many people so Sony squeeze an extra penny for that too.
@@dahnleycabreros4151 So does ps4, and it works fine not paying for ps+ lol. What's unfair about it? Not like anyone keeps people from buying computers, most places in the world. 😂
From a PC enthusiast perspective, I really don't understand much why it is a big deal. For me PS5 pro is a "optional" upgrade and PS5 also exist for those who don't want to spend more. Can anyone from the Console community give their perspective and a detailed points why it's not good? I'm just curious.
People just like to complain. Sony is giving us exactly what we asked for. The same great image quality that we were getting at 30 fps but now with double the frames. I’m not sure why people thought that would be cheap. But you said it perfectly. It’s optional. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy the Pro. Buy the regular one if you don’t care enough about the upgraded performance. It’s not being discontinued.
They're just crying cause they can't afford it , they want Sony give them the last tech available on console for 50 bucks more, these people are seriously stupid. I ain't buying the PS5 PRO cause I already have a standar PS5 ,Sony ain't putting a gun on my head to buy their products , people thinking that PC is "cheaper" have 2 braincells digging for 3rd place in their head.
Yea I think people just like to complain honestly. lol But this does show where prices are heading with consumer electronics. Consoles used to hold a good value proposition at one time but now that we know how much a PS5 pro is, its not so much the case anymore. When you look at the price of the console, plus a disk drive, one game, etc, your hitting the thousand dollar and beyond mark and thats no even including the subscription you need to pay on top of that so you can play online. I can find used gaming PC.s on market place in my area with 3 series and 4 series GPU,s for the same amount, or even cheaper. In my opinion, its better to wait and getting second hand or find a used standard edition model if you want to go the console route.
I get the Pro will be compared to different PC hardware. But I really think it’s incorrect to compare a Custom AMD APU to a discrete Nvidia GPU. The APU is custom, it can never really be one to one. Hope your doing well, always great content
It doesn't have to be one to one. Why should it be one to one? That being said while 7700XT might indeed be like PS5 Pro in rasterisation , I feel the Raytracing capabilities of PS5 Pro could be like 7800XT or better. If it's indeed up to 3x , that smells like 7900XT territory, but I could be wrong. Regular PS5 is somewhere around 6650XT-6700 in Raster. Not sure about RT, but I doubt 7700XT is 300% stronger in RT than regular PS5 .
@@devilsnightgaming kinda, think of it as an SOC - system on Chip. The CPU and GPU are on the same foundation(die). I call it Custom APU bc it’s not available to purchase independently.
@@Kapono5150 Accelerated Processing Unit (APU) is CPU and GPU in the same chip. To my understanding the pro has both a gpu and cpu built into the PCB like a laptop, not in the same chip. Is this wrong?
I love consoles and I love PCs.. and I've been building PCs since the 90s and always have fun doing so. I remember magazines declaring "PC gaming is dead" several times over the decades and it just keeps on keeping on. One of the best things about PCs is just how scalable and customizable it is. There's a PC for every budget out there. My motherboard /CPU on my main gaming PC is over 12 years old now but still performs great(Intel i7 Skylake). I've upgraded the GPU about 4-5 times now and each time it felt like I bought a new console equivalent.
so you know how easy it has become.... everyone talks like building a pc is just putting all of the parts together..... most build this 500 dollar pc vids don't include the price of an OS. just put the parts together and 'it just works'. no driver installs, no bios updates, no trouble shooting....
@@caliginousmoira8565 Yeah, all those are important things to consider, which is why I said that love both consoles and PCs. The plug and play nature of consoles is a massive plus.. however, I'm very used to tinkering and I enjoy setting up and tuning the PC experience which not everyone is going to be comfortable with. The OS can be obtained really cheap on various OEM cd key stores legally for less than $20 bucks. If you play a lot of games online, you can't beat the fact that you don't have to pay for that service like you do with Xbox Live and PSPlus
it likely depends on title. the cpu that has good price to performance balance with a partner gpu will often be limited by the gpu, even at 1080p. if they have been keeping games capped at 30 and 60 fps, then it is unknown how limiting the cpu ever will be, since the utilization of all hardware will be lower. if for example the gpu is pegged at 100% then the cpu could be running at 60% utilization. by upgrading the gpu, the cpu would be able to stretch out a bit more, it may actually get pushed to 90%.
Whats great about pc is seamless upscaling on steam where it just puts in frame gen onto any game ever so you get 120 fps when you can only run 60 fps.
The Pro will be using Pssr and Frame Gen to even try and reach the 60fps mark. and anyone who knows how frame gen works would know, that it does not work well with low initial frames. You need good high frames to start with. DLSS is proven with years of use and updates and PSSR is not. PlayStation has allot to prove for the 700 dollars they are asking. This is not a 200 dollars upgrade you are paying 700 for PSSR and Frame Gen. Are the upgrades worth 700 dollars, more than likely not. Not to mention the untouched CPU (The Bottleneck)
The Zen 2 CPU is not really a bottleneck. That CPU is still really good. And people forget that Sony and MS built a lot of custom hardware that offset and handled a lot of extra
"to even try and reach the 60fps mark" - That's not the Pro, it's the devs. I have 60fps games here wich run on the Gamecube, Wii and Switch. That's what you can do when you optimise for the specs of the platform. If you don't optimise you upscale from 720p or even lower and deliver a blurry mess. But that's the dev's choice.
There's so many ways to get a very capable PC for well under that. Even a 1080p PC experience gives you more control over your gameplay than any console out there.
@@x8jason8x I agree that there are better options if you mostly care about performance, but an idiot proof plug and play console like experience right out of the box is what Handheld PCs do. Prebuilts, mini PCs, or building it yourself all require setup and are not as idiot proof.
I'm for PC all the way, but understand PC AREN'T for everyone. Consoles are meant to bring convenience and PC is all about freedom. But Sony has made the convenience a LOT LESS accessible and more costly.
Wow, $860 USD, that's quite a lot. Here in Australia, the PS5 Pro plus stand (sold out here), and disc drive (also sold out here), would be a bout $1350 AUD or $905 USD, keeping in mind, our prices include all taxes. However, I'd suggest, Sony knows, similarly to Apple and Nvidia, people will be happy to pay those prices for the latest and greatest, so whilst they may not be aiming at the average gamer, I'd suggest they're aiming at the enthusiast FOMO type of game.
So many people are saying “you don’t need a blue ray drive or the stand. This isn’t a fair comparison.” But your comment proves otherwise. If no one needs it, then why has it sold out in your country? This confirms my statements regarding the price point. Thank you.
Laptop is easy to use, you can bring it everywhere, games are super cheap like a couple of dollars during steam sale, supports controller, and you need one anyway for work/school/entertainment.
Vote with your wallet people. You let them get away with this, you are telling them you will take infinite price increases, subscriptions for _any_ network play, devs who favor microtransaction programming over gameplay... Nintendo's been trying for decades to force the other consoles into that model, it's beginning to work. Build a PC, experience the games in real time resolutions with minimal controller latency!
Kind of off-topic, but I don’t know why tech companies do this to them selfs. When the Quest 3 released with its new chip set it was released with no new games or even tech demo that took advantage of the new hardware as a result, a lot of people did not upgrade. It did release with a bunch of other feature, so not apples to apples, but as a result, I think it definitely hurt sales
It did include a very fun mixed reality game called First Encounters which blew my mind when the first little spaceship landed on my sofa and aliens hid beneath furniture.
@@taptoplayde it did and that’s kind of the point it came with a demo to demonstrate the new mixed reality, but didn’t come with anything to demonstrate the new chip set. I thought it was definitely worth the upgrade, but you’d be surprised how many people own a Quest and have no idea what the GPU or CPU is.
You can't get the same level of performance for the price from a PC, unless you already have a decent PC and you only need to upgrade a few parts. Starting from scratch, there's no way you'll get compatible performance
I’m aware. I never said you could get the same performance for the same price. But with a PC you get a lot more for your money. Consoles keep you as a consumer. You just consume over and over again. A PC allows you to consume and produce. You can create with a PC.
@@ErockOnTech Computers are nice to have, absolutely. We have several at my house. I'm not limiting myself to waiting years to play games though. I'd rather buy a relatively cheap PS5 pro, that has performance of a $1000-1200 PC , and play Spiderman 2, Stellar Blade, GTA, and so on, when they release. That's just my opinion
@@B-U-T-C-H-E-Rsomeone made a list and you can buy a brand new PC for a similar 800€ price in Europe. The pro is kinda overpriced for something that can't even guarantee the 45% GPU increase. With most games still being on PS4 having a pro variant is kinda pointless.
If you started from scratch this time though next time you wouldn't be starting from scratch and likely the time after that. When you also factor in the hundreds the sub costs over those years total cost of ownership over 2 to 3 console generations is roughly equal or PC is cheaper, depending just how long it takes to get CPU bottlenecked. And that's before you consider the added value of being able to get gamepass.
Disc drive is essential because you will save more money buying used games than the disc drive costs . Digital doesn’t work on console because on ps6 most likely your ps5 games won’t transfer over , on Pc it works bedcause your steam account is more stable
@ErockOnTech, my PC specs are: Ryzen 7800X3D Radeon RX 7900 XTX 32GB - 6000Mhz DDR5 RAM 850 PSU What is the comparison to the PS5 Pro? Maybe I will miss out on AI upscaling because it will be limited to Radeon RX 8000 GPU's with FSR 4.0 but overall it will be way faster in comparison to the PS5 Pro. So in that case i"m i'll hope my pc will last until when the PS6 comes out
I fucking love the honesty with your channel sponsor 😂. Legit RUclipsr right here! We all got bills to pay no hate. FWIW I built a $1,600 Intel PC last year. I’ve been victim to the instability issues of my i14700k, and driver/software issues of my ARC A770. It was brutal, after about a month of issue free gaming no regrets. That said, my PS5 is rock solid, no issues. Granted, I could have made a more cost effective PC build that was less cool looking, with more performance, for about $1,300. So basically, unless you’re willing to drop 2x the price for a PC, console is the way to go. But yeah, If you can afford to build a $1,500 PC, don’t mind trouble shooting, and really want that extra 15-20% FPS/Graphics quality upgrade, then go for it. If $2,000-$3,000 isn’t a lot of money to you, then PC no question.
So you built a rig that had a chip with known issues, and console is better because of it? Your only advantage in console, and I mean only, is the fact so many people think, like you, that you have troubleshoot PC all the time, so they buy consoles. No hate, but that's because you picked a bad cpu, and a gpu in development. You'd have been fine if you built an AMD platform, and it would have cost you less. When you say "built", do you mean selected from drop down menus on an SI's site? On no continent do you have to spend 1500 USD to build a computer capable of beating this Zen 2 bottlenecked, 30fps locked, microtransaction laden pocket emptyer. You don't even have to spend 700$ if you buy used, you can find plenty of rigs that stomp this thing's specs! Your gpu/cpu combo cost 900$ at peak, you spent another 700$ on the platform... to have it fail... it's okay to make mistakes man, but don't cry about getting roasted on cross platform play by kids on GTX1060 cards with 1080p screens with that PS5. They're better prepared for it than you'll be, simply on controller latency alone... never mind proper ports not broken by PSN. 15-20% better graphical fidelity? Lol... this makes me wonder if you've ever actually used a good pc, on a good monitor. There's no comparing the two... it's fine if you like Sony, M$, Nintendo... whatever, just stop trying to tell people who can play better quality versions of everything consoles do, in one place, that these crapboxes are better in any way. Consoles are the iPhones of gaming, made for people with no patience, or interest in dealing with computers. Again no hate, it just is what it is.
@@x8jason8x Look kid, I’ve been PC/Console gaming since Atari 2600 and Commodore 64. I’ve had top of the line gaming PC’s and almost every console imaginable. My uncle thought me how to build PC’s he’s an engineer who served as a technician on a nuclear submarine. Hardware issue are a fact of life no matter what brand your a fan of. At the time AMD was having issues with their memory controllers being fried by bad BIOS firmware. Intel 14th gen was essentially the same as the very stable 13th gen. Things change fast in technology. The issues are resolved and I do enjoy my PC. But you do need to step up to about a 4070 or 7800xt for an appreciable difference besides frame rate. I only play single player games on my PC so as long as I get a solid 60fps at 1440p ultra wide I’m good. As for multiplayer it’s PS5, cross play turned off. Script kitty’s and their hack subscriptions make multiplayer almost pointless. I get the feeling you finally got yourself a rig and just can’t wait to act like it makes you superior in some comments section. Nobody’s crying here, I enjoy my PC and Consoles for different reasons. Touch some grass and have a great day my dude.
@@richardbixler Whoops! Nothing you said means anything, you're making it clear that you have no argument, and despite the fact I said I wasn't hating on you, you just had to cry. You're projecting like a drive in grandpa, go take your metamucil, it's 4:00pm, time for your nap!
honestly the price is not that bad despite of what youtubers says, if you consider how much pc parts cost now. I think sony got tired of selling ps5 on a lost and now they want to break even.
@ErockOnTech Well my friend this is a common topic between gamers, even developers at Microsoft and Sony talked about this, they sell their consoles systems on a lost profit, they make profit on their own store front, Gabe newell talk about this with the steam deck. Look at the cost of pc parts now and Look to what happened to the microchips. Sadly console gamers think that Sony and Microsoft are their friends.
I have just switch to PC a friend that builds PC´s have build a Ryzen 7 - 5700X , Ram 16 Gb´s SSD 512 Gb , RTX 4060 i have also buy a External SSD 1 Tb . It have cost 860 euros and 100 euros the external 960 euros + a Xbox Pc controller because i can´t play with mouse and keyboard ( yet ) 1060 euros . The Ps 5 Pro in the country that i live with disc drive and stand will cost about 1050 euros . And of course the difference from my Ps5 to my Pc it´s out of this world . Mod´s , free online , more games that play and look so much better and they are also cheaper on steam . Definitely value for money and if we consider that the Ps6 that will come in about 3-4 years will not cost cheaper form the Ps5 Pro Pc it´s the only way form now on . Of course i don´t know much about Pc tech yet but learning it´s also fun .
great breakdown! thanks for this video it kinda helps in giving clarity to a lot of people trying to make the decision of whether getting the ps5 pro or getting/staying with PC
I wonder what ps6 is going to cost. Is it going to be like 800 usd because ps5 pro is already 700? And thats without disc drive mind you and keep in mind another reason some people prefer consoles over pcs is physical copies of games. With time they are getting less and less benefits over pcs. Back in the day consoles benefits over pc were: a lot of exclusive games, much cheaper, physical discs that you could just pop in to console and play straight away without needing to install or download anything. Now you have to install and patch games even when you have physical copies which are slowly going away even on consoles, there are barely any console exclusives anymore and now with the ps5 pro price it seems like the price of consoles will eventually be almost close to a price of a pc. So at this point I dont even see a point in console since they dont even have benefits over pcs they used to have anymore.
@@ErockOnTech Yeah well even then everything I said still stands. 700 is getting close to a price of a pc. Youll probably still pay slightly more for a pc with equivalent specs but if we factor in that you have to pay for playing games online and console games are typically more expensive that alone will even out the price in the long run.
One thing I've learned is that PC gaming looks more attractive from a price point. Consoles used to sell at a loss, i guess scalpers showed Sony that they'd still sell with a larger profit margin
Well we are assuming it is a rx 6800. But it’s not full a rx 6800. It is a custom GPU. So my guess is that it’s on par with a rx 6800 in terms of rasterization but it has extra ray tracing tech built into it. So once the GPUs drop that have the official tech this has, it’ll likely be $1,000.
Nice coverage on this topic. Was wondering why everyone says you cant possibly make a pc for that price point but then again most people aren't the most technical. Heres another build I just quickly made that should match it pretty well too, if not surpass it cause of gpu tweaking with adrenaline. Its X4zywg on pc part picker with all new parts, a more updated cpu, and even 32gb of ram. Sony flew too close to the sun on this one in terms of raw value. Now if this was a 600 dollar console, it would for sure be hard to beat.
@@ErockOnTechhere's the list in plain text in case that link is still messed up: CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600 3.5 GHz 6-Core Processor - $114.81 (Amazon) Motherboard: Asus PRIME B550M-A WIFI II Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard $99.99 (Amazon) Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory $53.99 (Amazon) Storage: Kingston NV2 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive $56.99 (Amazon) Video Card: ASRock Challenger OC Radeon RX 7700 XT 12 GB Video Card $389.99 (Amazon) Case: Fractal Design Pop Air ATX Mid Tower Case $58.98 (Newegg) Power Supply: MSI MAG A550BN 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply $58.99 (Amazon) Total: $833.74 This is very close if you factor in a disc drive, which consoles really do need for the used game market, (otherwise its only the sony store and thats it. They dont even really sell keys like that anymore there either :/) and one year of ps plus.
Holy crap, your tax costs are insanely low, we in Germany pay 19% on everything witch results in 1053$ for all three things combined after taxes… actually the US price is in comparison a good deal
I think the $700 is a joke lol Love my gaming PC I built this May, the Ryzen 7 7800x3d cpu with a Radeon RX 7900 GRE 16GB gpu is amazing! I own a PS5, PS4, PS3, and PS Vita too... but not gonna pay no $700 for a console. Sony is smoking crack if they think that's ever happening. lol
"This is the only system that will play GTA 6 at 60 FPS" Say it. Mean it. That would have been it. I'm a musician. Why is this so easy for me to figure out and so hard for people getting paid hundreds of thousand dollars for publicity?
For those that say why not just get a PC, well I have a good PC (CPU) for work stuff and I can just upgrade the GPU and I should be set. But, I'm an adult with kid and at my current age, I like doing work stuff in my home office (not anywhere near my 65" TV but I do use a 42" 4K screen) and play stuff in my living room or bedroom. This PS5 Pro will replace my launch day PS5 in the living room and my OG unit will go to my bedroom attached to another 65" TV. One thing that playing on a couch in front of a big TV that you can't get playing with a PC at a desk is family spectating and couch coop. Yes, you can have a PC attached to a big screen in a living room but not all of us want to go with the logistics involved (in my case) and the hell am I going to be tech support for family when they want to play and I'm working. Another thing about PC vs PS5 Pro, I'm a patient man with games but when it is a game /franchise I really like, I ain't waiting 1-2 years for it to show up on PC. For the next Xbox though, that is another matter. I have both XSX (living room) and XSS (bedroom) and because of the existence of PC GamePass, maybe a new GPU in 2027/2028 will make more sense than the XSX replacement.
Idk why YT absolutely ethered my response to you, but that's weird, because I didn't say anything even remotely rude. LOL! Anyway I reject your argument, on the basis that I am responding to you on my wife's rig, which is sat on the couch @ a 70" Vizio M705. Lmao! We also have the benefit of all of our media being network available, so we just have a rig at every TV, we don't have to use thumbdrives just to move media across the house. Wireless peripherals, and it's all set! It's a 5600x/3080 combo, and it will absolutely shred any console, including the PS5 and Pro. She's never had an issue with anything, including local multiplayer, splitscreen, plus has the added benefit of being able to run any video game we own, from any era or console. Yes, _that specifically_ can sometimes take some effort, but google is easy.
@@tgreg9542wait a second.. that reply you got from me was meant for someone else. Not you.. what is going on? Dude my bad. I didn’t mean that for you
I made an educated guess on the GPU. No one fully knows what the GPU will ultimately be. It’ll be some custom solution not sold directly on the PC market. We will have something similar. But that exact GPU will be custom to the PS5 PRO. I also would encourage you to not get your hopes up. The PRO will be more powerful than the base PS5. But it’s not a generational leap. It’ll be a marginal improvement.
The GPU is somewhere in between RDNA 3 and 4. It looks like a downclocked 7800xt. The PS5 Pro is supposedly a 32 teraflop console while the 7800XT is 37 teraflops.
I build a gaming pc in 2019 knowing i wasn't going to get one but out of luck now i have a ps5 and a pc i play both but moving forward. Not going to stay a with system anymore.... i at point ill be building my 3dr pc am5 windows 11 Ryzen hopefully a batter RTX card
I also used to hate to game on PC. In the past PC games were buggy and you could not use an Xbox controller. From the PS4 era PC games are stable and you can use an Xbox controller. Now I like to play games on PC. After Sony announced the PS5 pro I have to accept console gaming no longer affordable anymore. It is sad to think that the PS4 is my last game console. I'm going to build a gaming PC in the future when my video card is too outdated to play games anymore.
I can guarantee that the pc in the pcpartpicker list will beat the PS5 Pro. The cpu has the full range of its boost clock. The boost clock in the PS5 Pro tops out at 3.85 GHz. The consoles will lose out to the same spec hardware on pc simply because they had to neuter the clock speeds in order to mitigate heat issues.
Getting a Radeon 8000 Series GPU budget next year which won't have a weakling CPU like the PS5 Pro. That's the problem with the PS4 Pro and upcoming PS5 Pro.
I built a Sabertooth X99 years ago, maxed it out and threw in a 3090TI thats gotten me through multiple consoles gens. This is probably going to be my last go with consoles. I have a backlog that will keep me busy until I die.
I have been a PC and console gamer for years now and putting a PC in my living room does not work, I have tried it twice. Also there are certain types of games like platformer's and FIFA that i do not want to play on my PC. For me at least i see them as two different animals, they have different vibes and should never be compared.
Pretty sure it was confirmed that the PS5 pro uses RDNA3, so I don't think you are correct about the 6800 being used. It's a hybrid generation GPU as the raytracing is RDNA4 tech. We'll know for sure in November, but it's probably just shy of 7800 xt performance but with a few extra tricks.
I think the CPU situation is bizarre, the exact same CPU that is running 10% faster and that is still slower/same than the Rysen 4400 out of the box in 2019.
This launch has proved: 1 - That PC building youtubers do not know how to build PCs. 2 - That the tech press and youtubers do not know how a CPU works (it is not 1978). 3 - That the tech press and youtubers do not know how a GPU works (This is not a Wii). 4 - That PC building youtubers do not know how a PC or a Console work. 5 - That when you give people exactly what the want (And will not shut up about) they will say that you are not listening. The response to the launch has been far worse than the launch itself.
@@ErockOnTech When you build a PC the main components either the CPU of the graphics card should determine the amount of ram you have. With a PC you do not have the ability to program any hardware directly apart from the CPU. So windows will decide what is done with the physical memory and even the graphics drivers have no influence here. To have a graphics card work efficiently you need to be able to mirror the VRAM in system RAM so you will need to have at least double the VRAM in order to actually have the chance of fully utilising the GPU. Without this there is an increased chance of stuttering and of visual artefacts. Building a PC with 16GB or RAM and a GPU with 12 GB of VRAM means that you will only have 4GB Available to the engine if you get the best outcome but as often as not Windows will limit your ram so that you effectively only have 8GB of practical VRAM. If you have only added 16GB of ram and are then considering add a GPU with 16GB of RAM ... I have seen at least 5 systems with too little RAM to guarantee efficiency and a lot of the systems that were sufficient in this regard never took this into account and came close to making this mistake. This is not the only error I have seen but it is a major one as it can guarantee poor performance.
First off, still waiting on that robo vacuum review. Secondly, At this point it’s definitely worth a look for console players to consider a pc. I mean why not? You get all the games from every console outside of Nintendo. Plus you get to game at native settings if you want a better version of upscaling. All around pc is worth a look at that price range.
I have to say that upscalers on consoles is not something new, even right now on base PS5 and Xbox Series FSR is being used on multiple games. Prior to FSR existence PS4 had checkerboarding and dev studios had their own upscalers like Insomniac's temporal injection. Pretty sure upscalers were also used during PS3 to bring games to 720/1080p, but all these console upscalers were and are software. What's new to PS5 Pro is custom dedicated hardware for PSSR which even Mark Cerny mentions in the presentation so similar to DLSS (we'll have to see how the quality is but DLSS got better over time too). Same goes for frame gen. Right now on base PS5 Black Myth Wukong uses frame gen on the performance mode. Other than that great video btw.
honestly for what it is, at least in the U.S. at that 700 dollar price point, it is pretty good deal. you can't build a pc that cheap. also, fsr is not ai.
No, I can't match it's power. Sony created something that no one has ever seen before. That is why Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart could only ever be on the PlayStation. But somehow I have it 100% completed in my Steam library.
PCs only real problem is the studios that refuse to use Steam. Besides cost and exclusives the main reason people buy consoles is ease of use from a sofa in front of their TV. Steam can do this which is great when you're only using steam. But those other studios are popular and pissing about with different launchers and having to use a keyboard and mouse is not user friendly to the use case consoles are typically used for. PCs could do with an Xbox mode that let you use them as if they are an Xbox. One massive thing to remember about PC is if you purchased a brand new one now whilst it might cost more everything except the GPU should last years if you game at 4K on a TV. So your next gaming "machine" is just a GPU upgrade. And its easy to sell your previous card. If you do total cost of ownership between the 2 over say 5 years, PC is cheaper. The playstation sub over that period is something like $700 just on its own. Not to mention PC gives you access to gamepass. A $1500 PC now when it comes time to upgrade will cost you net around $300 if you go midrange. The cost of the playstation sub over around a 5 year period alone is enough to upgrade your graphics twice assuming you sell your previous cards.
"3700X which may or may not be able to get in your area" . So you are effectively recommending it. I mean,seriously? At that price? 5700X cost about the same. 5600 and 5600X cost some 30$ or so less , yet they crush 3700X with strong enough GPU. 7700X@1440p may not need anything better and at 4K especially , but even so. At 1080pLow(for competitive games)7700XT might require stronger CPU for maximum fps .
Hello I'm a PC enthusiastic person but I still play on my PlayStation 5, I have a gaming PC 4060 TI 16gb 14700ks. Before I have buy the PS4 I was a PC player, and my last PC was not Bad for the time I have build it GTX580 Matrix Platinum end a phenom AMD Phenom II X6 1090T. But I still love play on console you have less problem with cheaters, yes I hated you can't Setup all settings in your games like a PC. But many other things are important, for me is important a good audio have in front of my a 55" Samsung qd-oled and sitting on a big nice couch or any other position I want to be on my couch wenn i play games. And when I want I can play on my TV with my PC.🤷♂️
Base ps5 with 2 tbs of storage for years was 600 dollars and in a better gpu and boosted cpu it’s easy to see how they got to 700 they could have released a 1tb model for 600 if it had a disc drive
I think the price is perfect, scalpers won’t be able to f anyone over, and $700, the value is there for someone like me who loves fidelity mode and will also get great frame rate also.
I think my rtx 4070ti super along with my ryzen 7800X3D will blow the ps5 pro out of the water! If you want a real ray tracing experience with the best upscaler and AI capacities Nvidia is the best.
Its pretty clear they didnt want to make base PS5 look too bad in that presentation 😃 thats the big seller afterall and Sonys own games happen to be ones that already look great on base console. There will be many 3rd party games that will have huge improvements in image quality. Why didnt they mention PSSR applies to all existing games that are under 4k resolution i will never know . Anyways i have to say its not so black and white overall.. there is absolutely huge audience out there who will never want to or care to build a pc that cant be understated. Also as a "livingroom" box console is just so much more convinient than PC . I know you stated your mindset which is cool but there are soooo many people out there who only see their perspective and completely fail to understand not everyone thinks like them 😁
I saw that after I posted this video. I was confused by this interview. Digital foundry has another video on their DF clips channel saying the same thing I said which is a Rx 6800. It seems like they don’t really know either and they are trying to be diplomatic about it. It’s a custom GPU. So to be fair, unless you’re a Sony engineer, you’re not gonna know. It’s all educated guessing.
Yes a PC is more expensive depending on the build you do BUT you save money from no yearly subscriptions and on MOST games not all but most!! It feels like it was at a balance but PC can do sooooo much more
As a pc enthusiast, I’ll likely only get it for it’s technical capabilities for comparison to see how far tech has come. Most are casual plug n play users, but us PC gamers are built different
What do you think of the PlayStation 5 Pro?
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I have a RX 7700 XT & I5-14400F, 2x16GB RAM DDR5, 1 TB SSD nvme 2.0 corsair, and the AGL850 PCIE power support in my pc, how does it compare to a PS5 & PS5 Pro?
@@ErockOnTech Imagine paying 700 bucks for a 45% performance increase. Ur not gonna find no such insanity on PC, lol.
u cant compare something that is not out yet
all are happy with ps5 pro except some pc nerds and xbots
pc gaming is pain in the ess with all the crashes and fixes and most annoying if those pc hackers and cheaters
and is 3 times more expansive then what pro is and even then u will have to keep getting new cpu gpu to keep it up
i have a better idea for u to get more likes on your video without talking nonsense to build a pc without usb c / windows OS /hdmi cables /controllers /wifi 7 /motherboard that dont support gen 4 gpus no keyboard & mouse and pc desk all these things need to play on pc
so MY idea is how about making a video for all the pc gamers who still playing on 1080 and 1660 and 2070/2080 gpu pc and below PCs
and those who dont want to waste 10000s of cash to get latest gpu every 2-3 years and why they should be getting ps5 pro instead of building over expansive pc ? if they only game but if they do other things with pc then its a different story
55 new and current gen games will be having ps5 pro enhanced versions dumb ess its not all for BC games day 1 dumbo go read at PlayStation blog
Simple truth is: Until RDNA 4 is out there is no REAL GPU comparison
You are correct.
Exactly and that's the actual truth.
And if you have a 4080 or 4090 it doesn’t matter anyway because it won’t come close to those true 4K gaming cards.
@@mutha_fnmikey2325 I find it funny that you call 4080 or 4090 as "true 4K gaming cards" when Nvidia is pushing technologies to render in a lower resolution to upscale it to 4K.
It is the same thing what PS5 Pro will be doing but in lower FPS against the compared 1000-2000€ cards
I dont really know what you are trying to say, ofcourse console has similarities to pc. Consoles are just watered down pc's. Upscaling has existed for way longer than you think the Xbox one would upscale 1440p to 4k if you wanted that "4k" experience.
Some people were comparing the Pro's power to a 4090, dream on😅
I saw that. Absolutely ridiculous.
It's barely a 3080.
A 3080 based PC would actually annihilate this thing.
@@x8jason8x more like a 3070 ti with a severe bottleneck
Not somebody. It was said by digital foundry it wasn't a random idiot. It was digital foundry
@@irsshill4502It's not even that , I think a 3060 ti is 16.2 tflops which should be about what PS5 PRO actually is when you cut its 33tflops in half down to real world performance.
As an owner of a PC and PS5 i feel like there is a good portion of people who should just by a used PS5. Alot of folks just play 2 or 3 of the same games because thats all they have time for .99% of big games that release will be on the PS5 .
This is sound advice. I can’t knock it.
The regular PS5 makes more sense.
@@KhoasD17 if you have a pc a ps5 just doesn't make sense at all lol not even for gta 6
@@farazsiddiqui1312depend on what kind of PC
@@farazsiddiqui1312 They just recently stopped making games for the PS4 so I'm confident that the PS5 will get GTA 6
Not having a subscription fee is what caused me to build a gaming pc. I sold my xbox series x and dont regret it sumply because of this reason.
Very similar story to me.
and you can play most of the games on pc game pass😊
Not having ownership of my PC games is what causes me to buy all the new big AAA games on PS5. I solved the subscription problem by not paying for it.
I wish I could have ownership though, I'd buy all my games on PC (which I still have).
@@AgagaSnsns There are very few games on modern consoles that are contained 100% on disc. You still have to download and install additional content for most games. That means the disc is just a proof of purchase and not the whole game.
@@AgagaSnsns brother u can get everything for free and own it permanently if you want to in pc , dont even try to say ps5 is better. and the fact that u miss out on countless pc games on ps5 , while u can still run most of the ps5 exclusive games on pc and imaging having to pay to play a game online that you already spent 60$ on , the only reason why i moved on from consoles.
It will be $1000+ here in Norway once taxes are included. That is just insane for a console.
I agree 100%!
skip the console year? has come
Play switch then .
@@KenjiEspresso or switch to PSP Pro
Agree its totally fun to build your own PC and watch it boot on. Great feeling!!
For real! I find myself craving to build a new PC just because it's fun haha.
@@ErockOnTech *_AHEM_* 🤣
I wish I could say it was still fun for me. I do love talking about parts and hardware development though! 😅
Agreed 💯
the fun starts after the heart attack when your AMD based rig takes 4 min to finish memory training and finally posts. lol
I’m so glad I switched to PC gaming!
Me too!
is your pc only for gaming.....? mine is my other pc is for every thing else
Dangerously close to an equally powerfull 1000$ USD PC. Except with paid online, no mods, no steam sales, no emulation, no productivity tools and fixed 60fps.
Fixed 60 fps if they are lucky. A lot of games are still 30 fps sadly.
Here in the UK, the disc drive costs £100 and the vertical stand is £25. Total of £825 (about $1,083) just for the console!
Then there's the PS+ cost which is £60/year for essential, £100 for extra or £120 for premium. And there's also the fact that new games cost £70.
Depending on which PS+ tier you go for, you could be talking £1,000 ($1,300) FOR A CONSOLE! At that point you may as well just put that money towards a new PC.
I'll just stick with my base PS5 and my 4070 PC.
I agree. It’s not worth it. It’s ridiculous. Your current setup is more than fine.
Its pretty unfair to use the subscription price as a negative though coz even the base ps5 uses the same subscription
@@dahnleycabreros4151but we can't throw it away in our calculations either. Cloud saves and online gaming are important to many people so Sony squeeze an extra penny for that too.
@@dahnleycabreros4151 So does ps4, and it works fine not paying for ps+ lol. What's unfair about it? Not like anyone keeps people from buying computers, most places in the world. 😂
@@x8jason8x my point is why is the subscription only bad for ps5 pro? But the subscription is good in the base ps5 or the ps4?.
So basically the ps5 pro is going to do what they claimed the original would.😂
Good point. Exactly!
And that's why I'm very cautious about that update. If the devs still use it to create 60fps blurmania there is no point in getting a Pro.
From a PC enthusiast perspective, I really don't understand much why it is a big deal. For me PS5 pro is a "optional" upgrade and PS5 also exist for those who don't want to spend more.
Can anyone from the Console community give their perspective and a detailed points why it's not good? I'm just curious.
People just like to complain. Sony is giving us exactly what we asked for. The same great image quality that we were getting at 30 fps but now with double the frames. I’m not sure why people thought that would be cheap. But you said it perfectly. It’s optional. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy the Pro. Buy the regular one if you don’t care enough about the upgraded performance. It’s not being discontinued.
They're just crying cause they can't afford it , they want Sony give them the last tech available on console for 50 bucks more, these people are seriously stupid.
I ain't buying the PS5 PRO cause I already have a standar PS5 ,Sony ain't putting a gun on my head to buy their products , people thinking that PC is "cheaper" have 2 braincells digging for 3rd place in their head.
Im more upset the a premium console is missing the premium features (disc drive, stand).
Yea I think people just like to complain honestly. lol But this does show where prices are heading with consumer electronics. Consoles used to hold a good value proposition at one time but now that we know how much a PS5 pro is, its not so much the case anymore. When you look at the price of the console, plus a disk drive, one game, etc, your hitting the thousand dollar and beyond mark and thats no even including the subscription you need to pay on top of that so you can play online. I can find used gaming PC.s on market place in my area with 3 series and 4 series GPU,s for the same amount, or even cheaper. In my opinion, its better to wait and getting second hand or find a used standard edition model if you want to go the console route.
@@GerardoPerezyou just contradicted yourself and explained why people are upset 😭
Gamers are unhappy, but will STILL buy, and then complain when sony release PS6 for 699. Best thing is to not buy, but people never learn.
You are correct!
Whales and hype. The deadly duo.
If you think they will stop at $699 i think you underestimate sony i bet it will be like $899 for ps6
Yeah, that worked with Apple and Nvidia really well! LOL
Ps6 is gonna be 899$
The way that the devs even create games for us to play and have it on these systems just blows my mind. And how easy building a PC is
I get the Pro will be compared to different PC hardware. But I really think it’s incorrect to compare a Custom AMD APU to a discrete Nvidia GPU. The APU is custom, it can never really be one to one.
Hope your doing well, always great content
I'm doing well. Thank you! Yeah everyone is making educated guesses here.
It doesn't have to be one to one.
Why should it be one to one?
That being said while 7700XT might indeed be like PS5 Pro in rasterisation , I feel the Raytracing capabilities of PS5 Pro could be like 7800XT or better.
If it's indeed up to 3x , that smells like 7900XT territory, but I could be wrong.
Regular PS5 is somewhere around 6650XT-6700 in Raster.
Not sure about RT, but I doubt 7700XT is 300% stronger in RT than regular PS5 .
Thought the pro had its own gpu not apu its just built into the motherboard for space saving reasons Maybe I misunderstood JayzTwoCents video about it
@@devilsnightgaming kinda, think of it as an SOC - system on Chip. The CPU and GPU are on the same foundation(die). I call it Custom APU bc it’s not available to purchase independently.
@@Kapono5150 Accelerated Processing Unit (APU) is CPU and GPU in the same chip. To my understanding the pro has both a gpu and cpu built into the PCB like a laptop, not in the same chip. Is this wrong?
I love consoles and I love PCs.. and I've been building PCs since the 90s and always have fun doing so. I remember magazines declaring "PC gaming is dead" several times over the decades and it just keeps on keeping on.
One of the best things about PCs is just how scalable and customizable it is. There's a PC for every budget out there. My motherboard /CPU on my main gaming PC is over 12 years old now but still performs great(Intel i7 Skylake). I've upgraded the GPU about 4-5 times now and each time it felt like I bought a new console equivalent.
Well said! Thank you for this comment and thank you for sharing your experience. You’re completely right!
so you know how easy it has become.... everyone talks like building a pc is just putting all of the parts together..... most build this 500 dollar pc vids don't include the price of an OS. just put the parts together and 'it just works'. no driver installs, no bios updates, no trouble shooting....
@@caliginousmoira8565 Yeah, all those are important things to consider, which is why I said that love both consoles and PCs. The plug and play nature of consoles is a massive plus.. however, I'm very used to tinkering and I enjoy setting up and tuning the PC experience which not everyone is going to be comfortable with. The OS can be obtained really cheap on various OEM cd key stores legally for less than $20 bucks.
If you play a lot of games online, you can't beat the fact that you don't have to pay for that service like you do with Xbox Live and PSPlus
Good video. You sealed my subscription and like by having the chapters broken down with time stamps in the description. Thank you sir!!!
Thank you! I appreciate it! I provide chapters every video. I know your time is valuable.
Im good with 5600 Ryzen + 7700xt + 32 Ram
If consoles could add mods it would at least be interesting but PC is still king.
Lets say sony ended up putting an 7800 xt equivalent in the ps5 pro. The cpu is still gonna be the same won’t that cause bottleneck?
Bingo. You are correct 😊
7900GRE in RT
it likely depends on title. the cpu that has good price to performance balance with a partner gpu will often be limited by the gpu, even at 1080p. if they have been keeping games capped at 30 and 60 fps, then it is unknown how limiting the cpu ever will be, since the utilization of all hardware will be lower. if for example the gpu is pegged at 100% then the cpu could be running at 60% utilization. by upgrading the gpu, the cpu would be able to stretch out a bit more, it may actually get pushed to 90%.
@@commonsense-og1gz make sense. We won’t know for sure until the actual thing comes out
Games are usually GPU bottlenecked at 4K. At least on PCs. Is the PlayStations "CPU" really THAT bad?
It doesn't compare PC will eat it and turn it into a EX2 grenade.
lol 😂
Whats great about pc is seamless upscaling on steam where it just puts in frame gen onto any game ever so you get 120 fps when you can only run 60 fps.
The Pro will be using Pssr and Frame Gen to even try and reach the 60fps mark. and anyone who knows how frame gen works would know, that it does not work well with low initial frames. You need good high frames to start with. DLSS is proven with years of use and updates and PSSR is not. PlayStation has allot to prove for the 700 dollars they are asking. This is not a 200 dollars upgrade you are paying 700 for PSSR and Frame Gen. Are the upgrades worth 700 dollars, more than likely not. Not to mention the untouched CPU (The Bottleneck)
Adding 1 tb ssd is 80$ so maybe they should've made it 620 people would still complain 😂
The CPU is NOT a bottleneck, Jethro.
The Zen 2 CPU is not really a bottleneck. That CPU is still really good. And people forget that Sony and MS built a lot of custom hardware that offset and handled a lot of extra
@@ByteMeCompletelyDigital foundry have seen cou bottlenecks in Multiple games this console generation. So you are wrong.
"to even try and reach the 60fps mark" - That's not the Pro, it's the devs. I have 60fps games here wich run on the Gamecube, Wii and Switch. That's what you can do when you optimise for the specs of the platform. If you don't optimise you upscale from 720p or even lower and deliver a blurry mess. But that's the dev's choice.
Remember the pro is going to be replaced in 4 years with ps6 700$ no way
Handheld PCs are capable of a plug and play console like experience. When your budget is anywhere near $800, then you have many Handheld PC options.
There's so many ways to get a very capable PC for well under that. Even a 1080p PC experience gives you more control over your gameplay than any console out there.
Won’t look anywhere as good as the pro
@@x8jason8x I agree that there are better options if you mostly care about performance, but an idiot proof plug and play console like experience right out of the box is what Handheld PCs do.
Prebuilts, mini PCs, or building it yourself all require setup and are not as idiot proof.
@@gamingguru2k6 so... the handheld pc's are consoles but the switch isn't......?
It's like a PC without any games or mods so who cares.
Built my PC in 2023 and never went back
Wise decision. 😎
Not even a bundle with any game (though there's a lack) or any PS plus trial just $700 for a locked down computer, PC gaming is still top tier
I'm for PC all the way, but understand PC AREN'T for everyone. Consoles are meant to bring convenience and PC is all about freedom. But Sony has made the convenience a LOT LESS accessible and more costly.
You are correct for sure.
Wow, $860 USD, that's quite a lot. Here in Australia, the PS5 Pro plus stand (sold out here), and disc drive (also sold out here), would be a bout $1350 AUD or $905 USD, keeping in mind, our prices include all taxes. However, I'd suggest, Sony knows, similarly to Apple and Nvidia, people will be happy to pay those prices for the latest and greatest, so whilst they may not be aiming at the average gamer, I'd suggest they're aiming at the enthusiast FOMO type of game.
I was one off them, just waiting the preorders open on 26 this month 😂💰
So many people are saying “you don’t need a blue ray drive or the stand. This isn’t a fair comparison.” But your comment proves otherwise. If no one needs it, then why has it sold out in your country? This confirms my
statements regarding the price point. Thank you.
Laptop is easy to use, you can bring it everywhere, games are super cheap like a couple of dollars during steam sale, supports controller, and you need one anyway for work/school/entertainment.
Vote with your wallet people. You let them get away with this, you are telling them you will take infinite price increases, subscriptions for _any_ network play, devs who favor microtransaction programming over gameplay... Nintendo's been trying for decades to force the other consoles into that model, it's beginning to work.
Build a PC, experience the games in real time resolutions with minimal controller latency!
Well said! I agree 100%!
Kind of off-topic, but I don’t know why tech companies do this to them selfs. When the Quest 3 released with its new chip set it was released with no new games or even tech demo that took advantage of the new hardware as a result, a lot of people did not upgrade. It did release with a bunch of other feature, so not apples to apples, but as a result, I think it definitely hurt sales
Video games have always helped to sell hardware. Look at the OG Xbox and Halo.
It did include a very fun mixed reality game called First Encounters which blew my mind when the first little spaceship landed on my sofa and aliens hid beneath furniture.
@@taptoplayde it did and that’s kind of the point it came with a demo to demonstrate the new mixed reality, but didn’t come with anything to demonstrate the new chip set. I thought it was definitely worth the upgrade, but you’d be surprised how many people own a Quest and have no idea what the GPU or CPU is.
You can't get the same level of performance for the price from a PC, unless you already have a decent PC and you only need to upgrade a few parts.
Starting from scratch, there's no way you'll get compatible performance
I’m aware. I never said you could get the same performance for the same price. But with a PC you get a lot more for your money. Consoles keep you as a consumer. You just consume over and over again. A PC allows you to consume and produce. You can create with a PC.
@@ErockOnTech
Computers are nice to have, absolutely. We have several at my house.
I'm not limiting myself to waiting years to play games though. I'd rather buy a relatively cheap PS5 pro, that has performance of a $1000-1200 PC , and play Spiderman 2, Stellar Blade, GTA, and so on, when they release. That's just my opinion
@@B-U-T-C-H-E-Rsomeone made a list and you can buy a brand new PC for a similar 800€ price in Europe.
The pro is kinda overpriced for something that can't even guarantee the 45% GPU increase.
With most games still being on PS4 having a pro variant is kinda pointless.
@@D4C_LoveTrain1
Show me this list
If you started from scratch this time though next time you wouldn't be starting from scratch and likely the time after that. When you also factor in the hundreds the sub costs over those years total cost of ownership over 2 to 3 console generations is roughly equal or PC is cheaper, depending just how long it takes to get CPU bottlenecked. And that's before you consider the added value of being able to get gamepass.
Disc drive is essential because you will save more money buying used games than the disc drive costs . Digital doesn’t work on console because on ps6 most likely your ps5 games won’t transfer over , on Pc it works bedcause your steam account is more stable
@ErockOnTech, my PC specs are:
Ryzen 7800X3D
Radeon RX 7900 XTX
32GB - 6000Mhz DDR5 RAM
850 PSU
What is the comparison to the PS5 Pro?
Maybe I will miss out on AI upscaling because it will be limited to Radeon RX 8000 GPU's with FSR 4.0 but overall it will be way faster in comparison to the PS5 Pro.
So in that case i"m i'll hope my pc will last until when the PS6 comes out
Your PC will absolutely last until the PS6 comes out. Your PC destroys the PS5 Pro. Do not worry about it. Happy gaming.
@@ErockOnTech thanks man, i thought so, but was a little worried about the AI features and such other ray traycing stuff
I fucking love the honesty with your channel sponsor 😂. Legit RUclipsr right here! We all got bills to pay no hate. FWIW I built a $1,600 Intel PC last year. I’ve been victim to the instability issues of my i14700k, and driver/software issues of my ARC A770. It was brutal, after about a month of issue free gaming no regrets. That said, my PS5 is rock solid, no issues. Granted, I could have made a more cost effective PC build that was less cool looking, with more performance, for about $1,300. So basically, unless you’re willing to drop 2x the price for a PC, console is the way to go. But yeah, If you can afford to build a $1,500 PC, don’t mind trouble shooting, and really want that extra 15-20% FPS/Graphics quality upgrade, then go for it. If $2,000-$3,000 isn’t a lot of money to you, then PC no question.
Haha I appreciate it! That is my policy! Honesty!
So you built a rig that had a chip with known issues, and console is better because of it? Your only advantage in console, and I mean only, is the fact so many people think, like you, that you have troubleshoot PC all the time, so they buy consoles. No hate, but that's because you picked a bad cpu, and a gpu in development. You'd have been fine if you built an AMD platform, and it would have cost you less.
When you say "built", do you mean selected from drop down menus on an SI's site? On no continent do you have to spend 1500 USD to build a computer capable of beating this Zen 2 bottlenecked, 30fps locked, microtransaction laden pocket emptyer. You don't even have to spend 700$ if you buy used, you can find plenty of rigs that stomp this thing's specs!
Your gpu/cpu combo cost 900$ at peak, you spent another 700$ on the platform... to have it fail... it's okay to make mistakes man, but don't cry about getting roasted on cross platform play by kids on GTX1060 cards with 1080p screens with that PS5. They're better prepared for it than you'll be, simply on controller latency alone... never mind proper ports not broken by PSN. 15-20% better graphical fidelity? Lol... this makes me wonder if you've ever actually used a good pc, on a good monitor. There's no comparing the two... it's fine if you like Sony, M$, Nintendo... whatever, just stop trying to tell people who can play better quality versions of everything consoles do, in one place, that these crapboxes are better in any way. Consoles are the iPhones of gaming, made for people with no patience, or interest in dealing with computers. Again no hate, it just is what it is.
@@x8jason8x Look kid, I’ve been PC/Console gaming since Atari 2600 and Commodore 64. I’ve had top of the line gaming PC’s and almost every console imaginable. My uncle thought me how to build PC’s he’s an engineer who served as a technician on a nuclear submarine. Hardware issue are a fact of life no matter what brand your a fan of. At the time AMD was having issues with their memory controllers being fried by bad BIOS firmware. Intel 14th gen was essentially the same as the very stable 13th gen. Things change fast in technology. The issues are resolved and I do enjoy my PC. But you do need to step up to about a 4070 or 7800xt for an appreciable difference besides frame rate. I only play single player games on my PC so as long as I get a solid 60fps at 1440p ultra wide I’m good. As for multiplayer it’s PS5, cross play turned off. Script kitty’s and their hack subscriptions make multiplayer almost pointless. I get the feeling you finally got yourself a rig and just can’t wait to act like it makes you superior in some comments section. Nobody’s crying here, I enjoy my PC and Consoles for different reasons. Touch some grass and have a great day my dude.
@@richardbixler Whoops!
Nothing you said means anything, you're making it clear that you have no argument, and despite the fact I said I wasn't hating on you, you just had to cry.
You're projecting like a drive in grandpa, go take your metamucil, it's 4:00pm, time for your nap!
honestly the price is not that bad despite of what youtubers says, if you consider how much pc parts cost now. I think sony got tired of selling ps5 on a lost and now they want to break even.
This type of thinking will lead to a permanent price increase on consoles. The PS6 will be $699. Mark my words.
@ErockOnTech Well my friend this is a common topic between gamers, even developers at Microsoft and Sony talked about this, they sell their consoles systems on a lost profit, they make profit on their own store front, Gabe newell talk about this with the steam deck. Look at the cost of pc parts now and Look to what happened to the microchips. Sadly console gamers think that Sony and Microsoft are their friends.
I have just switch to PC a friend that builds PC´s have build a Ryzen 7 - 5700X , Ram 16 Gb´s SSD 512 Gb , RTX 4060 i have also buy a External SSD 1 Tb . It have cost 860 euros and 100 euros the external 960 euros + a Xbox Pc controller because i can´t play with mouse and keyboard ( yet ) 1060 euros . The Ps 5 Pro in the country that i live with disc drive and stand will cost about 1050 euros . And of course the difference from my Ps5 to my Pc it´s out of this world . Mod´s , free online , more games that play and look so much better and they are also cheaper on steam . Definitely value for money and if we consider that the Ps6 that will come in about 3-4 years will not cost cheaper form the Ps5 Pro Pc it´s the only way form now on . Of course i don´t know much about Pc tech yet but learning it´s also fun .
I'm happy to hear you are now on PC. Welcome to the family! Feel free to ask questions and keep on learning. I still have a lot to learn myself! :)
I will stick with my 4090/ 7800x3d/ 64 gig ddr5 pc.
Same 😎
Good video man I agree 100%
Thank you 🙏
great breakdown! thanks for this video it kinda helps in giving clarity to a lot of people trying to make the decision of whether getting the ps5 pro or getting/staying with PC
I’m glad it was helpful! Thank you 😊
This video explains everything perfectly, all valid points that should be mentioned was mentioned during this video
Thank you. I worked very hard on it.
I stay with my i9 14900KF, rtx4090, and my OLED 4k 240hz monitor.
Which monitor do you have?
@ErockOnTech I have an LG Ultragear (32GS95UE) 4k 240hz but also do 1080p 480hz 🤦♂️😅
I did enjoy Doom 2 RTX though. Even though I already played it, but then again, that’s a free mod. lol
I wonder what ps6 is going to cost. Is it going to be like 800 usd because ps5 pro is already 700? And thats without disc drive mind you and keep in mind another reason some people prefer consoles over pcs is physical copies of games. With time they are getting less and less benefits over pcs. Back in the day consoles benefits over pc were: a lot of exclusive games, much cheaper, physical discs that you could just pop in to console and play straight away without needing to install or download anything. Now you have to install and patch games even when you have physical copies which are slowly going away even on consoles, there are barely any console exclusives anymore and now with the ps5 pro price it seems like the price of consoles will eventually be almost close to a price of a pc. So at this point I dont even see a point in console since they dont even have benefits over pcs they used to have anymore.
PS6 will cost $699. The PS5 Pro is here to condition the market to get used to this price point.
@@ErockOnTech Yeah well even then everything I said still stands. 700 is getting close to a price of a pc. Youll probably still pay slightly more for a pc with equivalent specs but if we factor in that you have to pay for playing games online and console games are typically more expensive that alone will even out the price in the long run.
@@Marko-ij4vy Absolutely! I agree 100%!
as a pc gamer who also built pcs, how can you say building a pc to match a ps5 (rx 6800) would cost over $1000. its actually 700-800 dollars.
Exactly sony fanboys are dumb
One thing I've learned is that PC gaming looks more attractive from a price point.
Consoles used to sell at a loss, i guess scalpers showed Sony that they'd still sell with a larger profit margin
Cheaper?
It's a friggin gaming console , not a PC!!!!!!!!
@@clem9808 yes but wena gaming console becomes more expensive you have to look at the value.
Well we are assuming it is a rx 6800. But it’s not full a rx 6800. It is a custom GPU. So my guess is that it’s on par with a rx 6800 in terms of rasterization but it has extra ray tracing tech built into it. So once the GPUs drop that have the official tech this has, it’ll likely be $1,000.
Nice coverage on this topic. Was wondering why everyone says you cant possibly make a pc for that price point but then again most people aren't the most technical.
Heres another build I just quickly made that should match it pretty well too, if not surpass it cause of gpu tweaking with adrenaline. Its X4zywg on pc part picker with all new parts, a more updated cpu, and even 32gb of ram. Sony flew too close to the sun on this one in terms of raw value.
Now if this was a 600 dollar console, it would for sure be hard to beat.
I cannot find it. Can you share a link please?
@@ErockOnTechDon't know why but links are just not working so well. My comment gets filtered out.
Should be on /list/X4zywg
@@ErockOnTechhere's the list in plain text in case that link is still messed up:
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600 3.5 GHz 6-Core Processor - $114.81 (Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus PRIME B550M-A WIFI II Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard $99.99 (Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory $53.99 (Amazon)
Storage: Kingston NV2 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive $56.99 (Amazon)
Video Card: ASRock Challenger OC Radeon RX 7700 XT 12 GB Video Card $389.99 (Amazon)
Case: Fractal Design Pop Air ATX Mid Tower Case $58.98 (Newegg)
Power Supply: MSI MAG A550BN 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply $58.99 (Amazon)
Total: $833.74
This is very close if you factor in a disc drive, which consoles really do need for the used game market, (otherwise its only the sony store and thats it. They dont even really sell keys like that anymore there either :/) and one year of ps plus.
Holy crap, your tax costs are insanely low, we in Germany pay 19% on everything witch results in 1053$ for all three things combined after taxes… actually the US price is in comparison a good deal
I think the $700 is a joke lol
Love my gaming PC I built this May, the Ryzen 7 7800x3d cpu with a Radeon RX 7900 GRE 16GB gpu is amazing! I own a PS5, PS4, PS3, and PS Vita too... but not gonna pay no $700 for a console. Sony is smoking crack if they think that's ever happening. lol
"This is the only system that will play GTA 6 at 60 FPS"
Say it. Mean it. That would have been it.
I'm a musician. Why is this so easy for me to figure out and so hard for people getting paid hundreds of thousand dollars for publicity?
So I assume you didn’t watch the whole video. I mentioned an article and linked it in the video description that says GTA 6 will likely not be 60 FPS.
For those that say why not just get a PC, well I have a good PC (CPU) for work stuff and I can just upgrade the GPU and I should be set. But, I'm an adult with kid and at my current age, I like doing work stuff in my home office (not anywhere near my 65" TV but I do use a 42" 4K screen) and play stuff in my living room or bedroom. This PS5 Pro will replace my launch day PS5 in the living room and my OG unit will go to my bedroom attached to another 65" TV.
One thing that playing on a couch in front of a big TV that you can't get playing with a PC at a desk is family spectating and couch coop. Yes, you can have a PC attached to a big screen in a living room but not all of us want to go with the logistics involved (in my case) and the hell am I going to be tech support for family when they want to play and I'm working.
Another thing about PC vs PS5 Pro, I'm a patient man with games but when it is a game /franchise I really like, I ain't waiting 1-2 years for it to show up on PC.
For the next Xbox though, that is another matter. I have both XSX (living room) and XSS (bedroom) and because of the existence of PC GamePass, maybe a new GPU in 2027/2028 will make more sense than the XSX replacement.
Idk why YT absolutely ethered my response to you, but that's weird, because I didn't say anything even remotely rude. LOL!
Anyway I reject your argument, on the basis that I am responding to you on my wife's rig, which is sat on the couch @ a 70" Vizio M705. Lmao! We also have the benefit of all of our media being network available, so we just have a rig at every TV, we don't have to use thumbdrives just to move media across the house. Wireless peripherals, and it's all set!
It's a 5600x/3080 combo, and it will absolutely shred any console, including the PS5 and Pro. She's never had an issue with anything, including local multiplayer, splitscreen, plus has the added benefit of being able to run any video game we own, from any era or console. Yes, _that specifically_ can sometimes take some effort, but google is easy.
Bruh Sony reported 89% of games in 2023 were bought digitally
@@tgreg9542wait a second.. that reply you got from me was meant for someone else. Not you.. what is going on? Dude my bad. I didn’t mean that for you
@@tgreg9542I deleted it because that was NOT intended for your comment. My apologies on that.
Wow, a console with the performance of a GPU that costs half the money...
I made an educated guess on the GPU. No one fully knows what the GPU will ultimately be. It’ll be some custom solution not sold directly on the PC market. We will have something similar. But that exact GPU will be custom to the PS5 PRO. I also would encourage you to not get your hopes up. The PRO will be more powerful than the base PS5. But it’s not a generational leap. It’ll be a marginal improvement.
I'm glad I found your channel and subscribed awhile back!
Thank you so much for these words!
@@ErockOnTech please keep up the good work we PC Gamers Salute you!
@@Dnizzle25 Thank you so much!
The GPU is somewhere in between RDNA 3 and 4. It looks like a downclocked 7800xt. The PS5 Pro is supposedly a 32 teraflop console while the 7800XT is 37 teraflops.
Iim going to need that vertical stand also
I build a gaming pc in 2019 knowing i wasn't going to get one but out of luck now i have a ps5 and a pc i play both but moving forward. Not going to stay a with system anymore.... i at point ill be building my 3dr pc am5 windows 11 Ryzen hopefully a batter RTX card
Awesome! Sounds good!
PC for me outclasses the PS5 Pro, glad we are on the same level regarding the situation about the PS5 Pro.
Awesome! Yeah man, PC is the best.
@@ErockOnTech so true glad i have a pc just to play some amazing games.
I also used to hate to game on PC. In the past PC games were buggy and you could not use an Xbox controller. From the PS4 era PC games are stable and you can use an Xbox controller. Now I like to play games on PC. After Sony announced the PS5 pro I have to accept console gaming no longer affordable anymore. It is sad to think that the PS4 is my last game console. I'm going to build a gaming PC in the future when my video card is too outdated to play games anymore.
I agree. Well said!
I can guarantee that the pc in the pcpartpicker list will beat the PS5 Pro. The cpu has the full range of its boost clock. The boost clock in the PS5 Pro tops out at 3.85 GHz. The consoles will lose out to the same spec hardware on pc simply because they had to neuter the clock speeds in order to mitigate heat issues.
Getting a Radeon 8000 Series GPU budget next year which won't have a weakling CPU like the PS5 Pro. That's the problem with the PS4 Pro and upcoming PS5 Pro.
You are correct. CPU bottlenecks in those consoles.
I built a Sabertooth X99 years ago, maxed it out and threw in a 3090TI thats gotten me through multiple consoles gens. This is probably going to be my last go with consoles. I have a backlog that will keep me busy until I die.
With all the extra expenses for components that should have been included (stand, disc drive) they should have named it the 'PS5 Hoe'.
I love my RTX 4070 🤤🤤
Sony lost 100 million on Concord and no exclusive game for PS5 Pro: 😭😭
GTA 6: Dont worry 😉
The Concord situation was brutal.
Does it really need Ray-tracing when it can barely hit 30 FPS in future titles?
Exactly point.
A principios de este año compré una PS5 usada que tenia roto el borde blanco, lo que le dicen "plate", por 200USD. Y me divierto jugando GT7
pc or current console > ps5 pro not worth the money for ps5 pro
Yup, $799 PC is the best value you could ever find, for gaming.
I use Radeon Chill more than anything on my 7800XT i love setting my fps max and minimum in that and it works well for a nice smooth game play.
That’s awesome!
Kinda feels like we might be on the road to the death of consoles eventually
Currently content with my OG ps5 and my gaming rig (ryzen 7 5800x, 32GB of RAM, RTX 3060ti) the ps5 pro just isn’t worth it to me for the price 💯
I agree.
I have been a PC and console gamer for years now and putting a PC in my living room does not work, I have tried it twice. Also there are certain types of games like platformer's and FIFA that i do not want to play on my PC. For me at least i see them as two different animals, they have different vibes and should never be compared.
Pretty sure it was confirmed that the PS5 pro uses RDNA3, so I don't think you are correct about the 6800 being used. It's a hybrid generation GPU as the raytracing is RDNA4 tech. We'll know for sure in November, but it's probably just shy of 7800 xt performance but with a few extra tricks.
I think the CPU situation is bizarre, the exact same CPU that is running 10% faster and that is still slower/same than the Rysen 4400 out of the box in 2019.
Good vid man, I love that you pointed out the total cost almost being a grand. Its kinda insane, but... they will sell out.
Thank you man! Oh yeah they’ll sell out for sure. No doubt.
This launch has proved:
1 - That PC building youtubers do not know how to build PCs.
2 - That the tech press and youtubers do not know how a CPU works (it is not 1978).
3 - That the tech press and youtubers do not know how a GPU works (This is not a Wii).
4 - That PC building youtubers do not know how a PC or a Console work.
5 - That when you give people exactly what the want (And will not shut up about) they will say that you are not listening.
The response to the launch has been far worse than the launch itself.
How do PC building RUclipsrs not know how to build a PC? We do it daily. Do you build PCs?
@@ErockOnTech When you build a PC the main components either the CPU of the graphics card should determine the amount of ram you have.
With a PC you do not have the ability to program any hardware directly apart from the CPU. So windows will decide what is done with the physical memory and even the graphics drivers have no influence here.
To have a graphics card work efficiently you need to be able to mirror the VRAM in system RAM so you will need to have at least double the VRAM in order to actually have the chance of fully utilising the GPU.
Without this there is an increased chance of stuttering and of visual artefacts.
Building a PC with 16GB or RAM and a GPU with 12 GB of VRAM means that you will only have 4GB Available to the engine if you get the best outcome but as often as not Windows will limit your ram so that you effectively only have 8GB of practical VRAM.
If you have only added 16GB of ram and are then considering add a GPU with 16GB of RAM ...
I have seen at least 5 systems with too little RAM to guarantee efficiency and a lot of the systems that were sufficient in this regard never took this into account and came close to making this mistake.
This is not the only error I have seen but it is a major one as it can guarantee poor performance.
Sonys internet page says game need to be pro tuned to get up to 45%
Exactly. I talked about in my video that all these Pro features need to be patched into games.
@@ErockOnTech I know but PS fans dont listenig that small print. And it piss me off. I wait PS pros AI propartys some reason
First off, still waiting on that robo vacuum review. Secondly, At this point it’s definitely worth a look for console players to consider a pc. I mean why not? You get all the games from every console outside of Nintendo. Plus you get to game at native settings if you want a better version of upscaling. All around pc is worth a look at that price range.
lol on the robot vacuum. Yeah I agree. Thanks man!
I have to say that upscalers on consoles is not something new, even right now on base PS5 and Xbox Series FSR is being used on multiple games. Prior to FSR existence PS4 had checkerboarding and dev studios had their own upscalers like Insomniac's temporal injection. Pretty sure upscalers were also used during PS3 to bring games to 720/1080p, but all these console upscalers were and are software. What's new to PS5 Pro is custom dedicated hardware for PSSR which even Mark Cerny mentions in the presentation so similar to DLSS (we'll have to see how the quality is but DLSS got better over time too). Same goes for frame gen. Right now on base PS5 Black Myth Wukong uses frame gen on the performance mode. Other than that great video btw.
Correction:
PS5 Pro is a Digital only model. You will have to compare it to the digital/slim-digital version.
That makes it look even worse. Now instead of being $200 more expensive, it's $300 more expensive. Good logic.
@@ErockOnTech
More expensive but same functionality for PS5 pro vs PS5 Digital ✔
But the most important:
Accuracy and integrity for your video
honestly for what it is, at least in the U.S. at that 700 dollar price point, it is pretty good deal. you can't build a pc that cheap. also, fsr is not ai.
But what about PS5 magic SSD that can cure cancer? Can you beat that erock?
No, I can't match it's power. Sony created something that no one has ever seen before. That is why Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart could only ever be on the PlayStation. But somehow I have it 100% completed in my Steam library.
PCs only real problem is the studios that refuse to use Steam. Besides cost and exclusives the main reason people buy consoles is ease of use from a sofa in front of their TV. Steam can do this which is great when you're only using steam. But those other studios are popular and pissing about with different launchers and having to use a keyboard and mouse is not user friendly to the use case consoles are typically used for. PCs could do with an Xbox mode that let you use them as if they are an Xbox.
One massive thing to remember about PC is if you purchased a brand new one now whilst it might cost more everything except the GPU should last years if you game at 4K on a TV. So your next gaming "machine" is just a GPU upgrade. And its easy to sell your previous card. If you do total cost of ownership between the 2 over say 5 years, PC is cheaper. The playstation sub over that period is something like $700 just on its own. Not to mention PC gives you access to gamepass.
A $1500 PC now when it comes time to upgrade will cost you net around $300 if you go midrange. The cost of the playstation sub over around a 5 year period alone is enough to upgrade your graphics twice assuming you sell your previous cards.
"3700X which may or may not be able to get in your area" .
So you are effectively recommending it.
I mean,seriously?
At that price?
5700X cost about the same.
5600 and 5600X cost some 30$ or so less , yet they crush 3700X with strong enough GPU.
7700X@1440p may not need anything better and at 4K especially , but even so.
At 1080pLow(for competitive games)7700XT might require stronger CPU for maximum fps .
Gaming seems to be getting more expensive and less games to pick from. Some of the games are half baked. Looking at you Ubisoft.
also since you build pcs you could have given a sneak peak of pc components and the total cost.
I listed a basic PC parts list towards the end of the video. Did you not see it?
Hello I'm a PC enthusiastic person but I still play on my PlayStation 5, I have a gaming PC 4060 TI 16gb 14700ks.
Before I have buy the PS4 I was a PC player, and my last PC was not Bad for the time I have build it GTX580 Matrix Platinum end a phenom AMD Phenom II X6 1090T.
But I still love play on console you have less problem with cheaters, yes I hated you can't Setup all settings in your games like a PC.
But many other things are important, for me is important a good audio have in front of my a 55" Samsung qd-oled and sitting on a big nice couch or any other position I want to be on my couch wenn i play games.
And when I want I can play on my TV with my PC.🤷♂️
Base ps5 with 2 tbs of storage for years was 600 dollars and in a better gpu and boosted cpu it’s easy to see how they got to 700 they could have released a 1tb model for 600 if it had a disc drive
I think the price is perfect, scalpers won’t be able to f anyone over, and $700, the value is there for someone like me who loves fidelity mode and will also get great frame rate also.
Scalpers haven't been an issue for almost two years now. The logic is flawed. "Sony please charge me more so a scalper won't charge me more." ??????
I like the way Sony did the side-by-side comparison, but then shrank the image so you can't see the miniscule difference.
Yeah that was the best way to truly showcase the new hardware. Ingenious really if you think about it.
Also how they did only use very old games and not a single game which currently has issues like Black Myth Wukong or Space Marines 2.
I think my rtx 4070ti super along with my ryzen 7800X3D will blow the ps5 pro out of the water! If you want a real ray tracing experience with the best upscaler and AI capacities Nvidia is the best.
Oh for sure! No doubt about it. The PS5 Pro will still run some games at 30 FPS.
The Radeon RX 6800 is about 16.17 teraflops. Based on what Sony said, I was expecting somewhere between 16 to 17 teraflops.
So overall you think it lines up?
@@ErockOnTech I think so.
If they keep making gaming systems faster will it grow legs and run away?
Who knows?
But if you spend $700 + tax you're money will run away lol.
lol 😂
@@ErockOnTech Great video by the way and I am glad my comment got a laugh.
Its pretty clear they didnt want to make base PS5 look too bad in that presentation 😃 thats the big seller afterall and Sonys own games happen to be ones that already look great on base console. There will be many 3rd party games that will have huge improvements in image quality. Why didnt they mention PSSR applies to all existing games that are under 4k resolution i will never know . Anyways i have to say its not so black and white overall.. there is absolutely huge audience out there who will never want to or care to build a pc that cant be understated. Also as a "livingroom" box console is just so much more convinient than PC . I know you stated your mindset which is cool but there are soooo many people out there who only see their perspective and completely fail to understand not everyone thinks like them 😁
Look at Digital Foundry's interview with IGN. They believe because of the advanced Ray tracing and DLSS upscaler. It's closer to a RTX 4070
I saw that after I posted this video. I was confused by this interview. Digital foundry has another video on their DF clips channel saying the same thing I said which is a Rx 6800. It seems like they don’t really know either and they are trying to be diplomatic about it. It’s a custom GPU. So to be fair, unless you’re a Sony engineer, you’re not gonna know. It’s all educated guessing.
Yes a PC is more expensive depending on the build you do BUT you save money from no yearly subscriptions and on MOST games not all but most!! It feels like it was at a balance but PC can do sooooo much more
Wonder if they'll release GTA 6 with better graphics on the PS5 Pro
Graphics? Yes. Framerate? No. I expect 30 FPS.
You're welcome for showing you the errors of your ways and bringing you to PC gaming. Lol
lol. Yes, thank you 🙏
As a pc enthusiast, I’ll likely only get it for it’s technical capabilities for comparison to see how far tech has come. Most are casual plug n play users, but us PC gamers are built different
Yes we are.
You know these ponies won’t be listening? They are brain washed by the ps logo. They bought the portal so…..
You are 100% correct!