@@PrezidentHughes it’s crazy, I keep hearing on the news that average pay in the country has grown by …% each year but nobody I know is seeing it in their pay packet.
@@PrezidentHughes Same. I plan on getting on mine in a bit to play NBA Street. They're getting expensive because people are noticing how good the games really are and how rare they are to find.
@@CNTconnoisseurThat's a bit of a stretch, emulation for those systems is far from perfect, phones aren't a home console, no online with those games, plus he's probably referring to the status quo of that the current systems are doing.
Oh, we definitely realized how good we had it, we just never expected how bad it'd get! Even the 7th gen was great for the most part - it wasn't 'til probably 2009ish when we really started to see how much the internet was truly going to change the gaming landscape in terms of digital distribution, completion of games (or lack thereof), micro transactions and DLC, etc. It wasn't BAD in 2009, but we started to see glimpses of where the industry would eventually go...and here we are...
no we did not. not in terms of the prices of consoles and video games. not in terms of the quality of said games. not in terms of the game design philosophy. not in terms of the creativity of said games. and not in terms of the completeness of said games. it was truly a special moment in history.
@@zainebrown1351 It's not just inflation, AMD use TSMC for manufacturing their silicone and TSMC demand is at an all time high. I still think they're ripping it with the price tho. Like PSSR AI gpu upscaling to 4k? So just a Sony version of AMDs FSR. I just don't see this gen lasting 3 more years it'll be 4 years already in winter. Fair enough as people buy 4090 for their pc and that's overkill so i guess even though i see it as not that great value it's just an option like the PS4 Pro was (which never became the defacto PS4).
Damn at least the PS3 had a disc drive and was backwards compatible with PS1 and PS2. Price is too high. Completely agree that Sony didn’t read the room.
the PS3 was a technical marvel. It did everything playstation at the time, had an HDD, blu-ray, hdmi, optical audio, free online play. It was worth drooling over.
@@grizzlybearking1878 I keep hearing about this inflation argument. But ask yourself have you factored in how stagnant wages have increased. Not a good metric.
Launch model PS3 was the last console I ever bought and I still play it almost daily. Servers going down literally gimps most if not all games which is why I stopped supporting new consoles. Yet I can still pop in Double Dragon 2, Super Mario RPG, Final Fantasy 7, Mario Kart 64, and get the original intended experience.
The great reset, the new world order whatever you want to call it will take away all ownership. They want us to rent or subscribe everything. If we don’t wake up and fight back the world is gonna be very different sooner than we think.
The argument of "I played it once, I don't care" doesn't even make any sense... It should be an argument for physical media, not for digital, since you can sell the physical copy after playing... These people are so dumb.
@@DrNioky No kidding. I lent a guy a copy of one of the God of War Games and he only needed to play it once; didn’t have to buy a copy himself. Buy it digitally, and your stuck with a game that you can’t simply lend and get your money back if you u change your mind.
As someone who buys PC Digital, I mainly buy on sale only. So I'm paying prices where for most games, if I lose the game it's unlikely that I'll miss it. (And if I do, _I know where to find a copy anyways)_ And now that I think about it, I don't think I've ever lost a game that I wouldn't have lost if I had bought physical. Like I lost Overwatch, because _everyone_ lost Overwatch. Similar to Destiny 2 (disc / OG content) or MAG, it being physical doesn't save it.
It isn’t the fact the drive is sold separately that I find the dealbreaker, but that it requires a DRM check to install. There’s a future where some people who buy a PS5 Pro AND the disc drive won’t be able to play their physical games without jailbreaking the system.
I fully moved to PC thanks to the Steam Deck. Because this is ridiculous. If they are going all digital it is no point. I'd rather have the steam deck where i have all my games from decades
@@Wano_9 he was arguing Ppl calling ppl autistic, retards, ponies all types of derogatory names because of Xbox. Trolling and stealing people’s pictures.
Sony's greediness really makes you appreciate Sega's affordable Dreamcast. Physical media was always on sale back then as low as $19.99 for Shenmue at Target a few weeks after it released in late 2000.
Yeah, I miss playing on the Dreamcast. Oh, wait. No I don't, I still play on it to this day! Wonder if PS5Pro with it's PSSR (pi-s-s-er) upgrade can do that in 25 years? 😂
Don't worry, Switch 2 has us covered!! I'm betting Sony is gonna drop discs altogether in PS6, but tbh, what they're asking for the 5 Pro can buy you a 1TB Steam Deck.
I'm still mad Sony took away your ability to freely and easily transfer individual games saves to and from USB drives. You can do it with PS4 games but with PS5 games you either have to subscribe to PSN to upload them to the cloud or do the painful (and not the least bit fast or convenient) process of backing up all your PS5 saves at once. So yeah that alone has made me stick to PS4 versions of games and it is increasingly looking like my "fat" PS5 will be the last console I'll own. I vehemently hate this new process of having a detachable disc drive you pay separate for and having to go online to pair it with a console.
@@jsc315 Aren't they? Last I checked saves were locked to the Switch as well. At least saves on WiiU were annoying by flawed system design. Switch and PS5 is just corporate greed over consumer goodwill.. 😮💨
No disc, no plastic stand and no games for $700, it finally happened, Sony has lost their mind. Even the PS3 had a disc drive and backwards compatibility but it was still too expensive.
No offense to Sega, but the way Sony is selling this PS5 Pro feels like the Genesis + CD + 32x to get the ultimate gaming setup charged three ways and won't be the best thing still after maybe a year or two.
What the hell is the point of the ps6 now? Games arent even optimized for base ps5 and top end pc games are barely distinguishable from ps5 games… sony and xbox are really painting themselves in a corner with this endless chase for graphical fidelity, i didnt see it then but nintendo’s approach of offering gamers new and interesting ways to play games is gonna pay dividends next gen.
@@JoppheimerIt’s not asking a ridiculous question at all it’s a very valid question. Will PS6 be $700 also cause if so then you’re really getting into non mass market territory for a console. It will definitely not sell well out of the gate and then the PlayStation brand would be big trouble especially if the software continues at a snail’s pace like it has been for PS5.
a $30 stand isn't that big of a deal, compared to Apple charging $1,000. I mean, yeah it's crappy that it's not included - but it's pretty much always been like that with few exceptions.
Nintendo announces the next switch with capabilities similar of a ps4 pro, that still plays 98% of the current gen games, Mr. Bowser go to the stage, he says, 399, and leaves.
I wasn't interested in the PS5, I'm absolutely not interested in a £700-£800 PS5 Pro. And for what? Minor graphical improvements? Wasn't the base PS5 meant to do what they say the Pro can do? The continuing decline and sadly seemingly envitable end of physical games sucks and I won't support any part of it. Though I hadn't thought about what all this might do to DVDs, Blurays, & CDs in general, guess I better ramp up my collecting.
My concern is what happens when the PS6 comes out? Do people buy it day one? or do they just wait for another Pro model? Will this move have a backlash in Sony's sales in the future?
It will be like in this gen - for years people will stay on ps5 and everything will be crossgen. Especially that the difference in performance will be even smaller.
@@IamMrLebanon "Well, I really don't believe that there will be a bright future waiting for the so-called next-generation consoles that Sony and Microsoft are advocating right now. As you may know I was developing games until quite recently myself, I know how it is, and if any of these developers come to me and say, look, CPU or processing power is ten times as much as today, graphic capability is twenty times, then I will say, that means wore workload and slight difference with the current system in terms of letting people understand how improved the graphics shall be. So just as we have established with handheld gaming with the DS, just for example, if we cannot change the user interface of the current home console systems, and let consumers understand we are changing how the games are being played, then I am sorry, but it must be difficult for anyone to persuade people to purchase so-called next generation consoles."
In this current moden day for everything I really don't think there's going to be price drop. in the past with playstation consoles the Playstation slim was a cheaper alternative but it's not this gen, so what i the world would make u think the pro would drop in price.
Don't forget that even the pro enhanced games can't even run at 60 fps... Lmao like what's the fucking point in releasing the PS5 pro nobody was asking for one...
I wonder how different the response would have been if the PS5 Pro had shipped with a 1TB SSD instead of a 2TB SSD and either (a) included the disk drive or (b) cost $100 less. I think either of those options would have gone over much better with fans.
There would have been backlash regardless. I don’t know if you noticed but people can’t help but whine and moan all day online about whatever the hottest controversy is
Consoles are just too expensive now and lower prices have been the selling point of them for the longest time lol. (Canadian prices, tax not included) -PS5 Pro $950 -Disk Drive $100 -Extra Controller $95 -Vertical Stand $40 -1year of online $95 -A game $80 Just buy a PC at this point lol, Sony brings their games there now.
Just a quick aside per the Playstation wanting to replace PC at one point. About 8 years ago I went to a linux expo and one of the events was helping people get linux installed on their laptops. A substantial portion of that group were actually scientists and researchers who said they used PS3s running yellow dog linux for their work and were disappointed when Sony patched that feature out of the system. Also if I remember correctly there used to be an option on PS3 where you could donate some processing power to Universities to help them for research.
The PS5 Pro has lines across the middle of the console which are a nod to the lines Sony executives were doing when they priced the thing. - Someone on the internet
I can see going digital for retro 'mini' consoles as ROM files are small enough to fit 1000s on a hard drive, but I can't imagine these 100gb-500gb games taking up 10, 20, 30%+ of your space just for that one game.
3:10 first of all thanks for the clarification, me as an European and German is still baffled by the low taxes. We get slapped with 19% in the hole country, the prices of electronics like the ps5 pro or apple products are quite a bit more expensive here even with taxes subtracted and than the fact that the € is more worth than the converted $. PS5 pro costs here with taxes 883$ and the disc drive unit alone 133$, makes added = 1016$
Physical media is clearly on its way out. Been to stores lately like Walmart, BestBuy, Target. There is no denying, physical media is going out but keep up the good fight. Hell, movies now go from the theater right into streaming services. Life will continue...
Woah, this is the first time your channel appeared in my recommendeds in a looong time. I remember watching your console cleaning videos like a decade ago if not longer lmao. Was super nostalgic hearing the "figure it owwt" lmao. Glad to see you're still at it and doing quite well!
I feel a Sony is going to take out the PS5 slims out of stores and put in pros so your forced to pay the 700. Just how you can’t get original ps5 in stores anymore. What a time we live in.
I didn't realize that I was only subscribed to your channel on my original channel. So glad that the algorithm blessed me today. Good yo hear from you dude!
I have a ps5 and I haven’t put more than 40 hours on it. There are hardly any games I would want to play on it, mostly just ps4 games I’m still trying to play
Hardly any games? Dude Stellar Blade, final fantasy 7 rebirth, rise of the ronin, spider man 2, helldivers 2, Astro bot, black myth wukong.. are all awesome games give them a try
@@zainebrown1351if these are good and desirable games for you fine 👍 But can you imagine there are people out there who do not consider these good and desirable games? I’m certainly one of them 🤷♂️
@@zainebrown1351 I’m pretty sure every game you mentioned is just a another 3rd person / over the shoulder game, they all feel and play the same, no variety
I only buy physical so I went into this gen knowing it would probably be the last gen of me buying new games, seeing it actually happen though has been tough.
I couldn't even tell the difference in the footage. Mind - I have no screens in my home that could show off everything the Pro is capable of even if I were watching the highest bitrate stream possible. I'm still using the 1080p TV I bought in 2014. I have no interest in upgrading. The only benefit I'd see from the Pro is more detail - and I didn't even notice the increase on the graphical details until I watched a video where somebody zoomed in really close on objects in the distance. We need to have conversations about digital ownership and consumer rights in this arena; digital makes a LOT of sense for games, to the point where as a matter of practicality, pressing discs and cartridges doesn't really make sense. But how I see digital ownership is, "I buy the product and have unlimited use of it so long as the files are on my drives" and companies do not seem to want to give me that. To this day, when I buy digital music, I get it through a service that lets me download MP3 or FLAC files to my harddrive and back them up or burn them to discs as I please - GoG is the only service willing to provide that for gamers, and that's the problem. But I will say - if things go all-digital anyway, I have zero reason not to just get everything on PC where at the very least platforms like Steam make it easy to get a lot of games cheap. If I'm going to have little in the way of consumer rights, at least don't fleece me in the process. And that's where Sony and other console manufacturers are going off the rails. Why should I buy digital when there's no savings for me and no ability to get some of the money I spend back as credit when I'm done with the game or if I don't like it? I'm not married to physical media because of things like disc rot and day one patches. Like it or not, backing games up to harddrives and jailbreaking any patches and DLC is the only way we get actual preservations; they've been chipping away at our consumer rights even with the physical copies they sell. I see very little benefit to physical media anymore outside of being able to resell it or let someone borrow my games. As a whole, we need to start having the consumer rights conversations now that we should've been having yesterday because the format and method of distribution guarantees us nothing in this current climate - and stuff like Adobe's been pulling is exactly why this needs to happen. What's going on with games has implications on any form of digital ownership in any ecosystem - people who are happy to trade their rights for convenience today are not gonna like it when the only option to watch their favorite movie is a $29.99 per month subscription where you still have to pay $5 to rent specific titles and you can only get a censored or heavily altered version from the one they remember ala Star Wars. We can't afford apathy in this space. So not only am I not getting a PS5 Pro - with what Sony's shown off, it's very likely I'm not buying another console ever again if this is the direction they're going with it.
For that price you could buy an almost top of the line graphics card and you're not locked into Sonys store. I think it's madness, but they must have some market research that tells them it'll sell. They have done well with hardware that's not VR so we'll see
My biggest issue with the PS5 Pro is the fact that even when you compare the differences on the Pro, it's not a big enough jump to pay extra for it. It's such a small jump in graphics that the average console gamer will look at it and say it's not worth the price. The biggest advantage with the Pro is with PSVR2 and we all know how well that sold. Everything else about it with the disk drive and kick stand just seems like Sony is nickel and dime the customer.
Good point about Sony not shipping PS5 Pro games on disc, everything will be downloadable patches. Was unsure if I’d pick up one, but this insight made me decide against. Good to have Adams point of view to clarify the situation!
The mid cycle refresh made sense during the PS4/Xbox One era because those systems were notoriously underpowered at launch. This is just a blatant cash grab and pointless when you consider the next gen Playstation will likely arrive in 2027 at the soonest.
This makes me glad I went directly to PC gaming after building my very own gaming PC, I even included a disc drive. The PS5 & Xbox Series X just doesn't appeal to me. I prefer the Switch over those two.
Astrobot apparently was well liked but isn't selling well at least in Japan...Sony is out of their minds with a $700 PS5 Pro in this economy...it would only be worth it is if Sony contracted Mike Chi to integrate Retrotink technology inside it with 100% backwards compatibility with PS1-PS3 physical discs.
The arrogance of Sony right now is painful. The price & extra costs of extras is what put me off the 360 once upon a time. PS3 has everything built in, while the 360 needed a separate HD-DVD drive & wi-fi adapter before the slim model. Now PS5 wants you to buy the disc drive separately & now the stand too! 🤦♂️ Screw you Sony!
If no one buys it they will be forced to drop the price. Then they will likely need to drop the price of the standard PS5 as well. Figuring out how to include enhanced upgraded backwards compatibility to the majority if not all PS4, PS3, PS2 and even PS1 disc games and also including the disc drive in a package deal and allowing disc games to be fully ripped to the hard drive or external storage drives might help save the whole situation though.
I think the situation would have been far more egregious if you COULDN'T buy a disk drive separately. Better for physicality to be an optional extra than non-existent.
The fact the thing it’s 700$ like holy moly especially in this economy it’s insane and without a disc drive why I get saving cost but if the thing it’s too expensive to make and sell why make it the PS5 it’s just 4 years old and keep in mind the switch it’s half of that price and has a bigger library insane of Sony to release a updated version of a console that exist and that update doesn’t even looks impressive at all unless you absolutely love graphics
I won't be buying any more consoles. PS4 was the last I bought. Now I'm using a killer build of Batocera. I've gradually built this Batocera so damn awesome.
What gets me is the fact that this "pro" console has net negatives. The Nintendo Switch OLED got criticized by many for being an unimpressive upgrade, and many passed on the PS4 Pro. However, both of those console were objective upgrades, there were zero downsides. The PS5 Pro lacks the stand and disc drive, they took stuff AWAY and not little tiny things. The literal primary way to USE THE CONSOLE was taken away. Sony committed to the disc drive for the PS5 generation, sure someone can make the "digital is the future" argument if this was a hypothetical PS6, but it's not. You have just been given the "finger" if you dared invest in your consoles PRIMARY use, DOUBLY so if you're an existing PS4 customer who also spent the generation amassing many physical games. Putting that extra cost on the customer on top of the $700 tag? Absurd, plain and simple. It's that Apple-like mentality of removing primary features to sell them back.
My guy, you are having an epic rant of hot air. There is no difference between the slim and pro as far as physical is concerned. The disk drive is available to buy like it is for the slim. They use the same drive.
@@grizzlybearking1878 There is quite literally a difference. One is $700 and does not have the drive included. Even if it is compatible, like I said it's that annoying Apple mentality.
I don't know what you consider "expensive" but not really. As long as it's a 4K 60Hz TV, not even HDMI 2.1, and you have a reasonably close viewing distance, you should see much clearer 60 fps performance modes, basically quality at 60 fps. The nicest TVs would still of course be nicer for everything, PS5 Pro included, but the benefit would be clearly visible on any 4K TV. If PSSR is anywhere near as good as DLSS games will have much bigger leeway for better image quality, better settings and ray tracing at a 60 fps target. PSSR allows the game to be rendering at a lower resolution internally but output very close to 4K native image quality, meaning you can approach 4K with much better performance. This has been done on PC for 6 years now at this point and is crucial for accommodating good ray tracing (ray tracing at native 4K kills even a 4090). For last-gen games with PS5 versions like God of War Ragnarok, that already are crisp enough at dynamic res 4k 60 fps, there's less benefit. Those games could now be pushed closer to the 120Hz refresh barring a CPU bottleneck. There are quite a few PS5 games that have very rough image quality in performance mode, especially newer ones like FFXVI, FFVII Rebirth and Black Myth Wukong. Think about all of the upcoming UE5 games that now can run at 60 fps without looking like dogshit. Technically I think the PS5 Pro will be impressive and ensure a high quality 60 fps experience for visually challenging games. It's just that damn price and the lack of disk drive that kills it. Especially the disk drive is insane because it's intended for enthusiasts who obviously also would have a backlog of physical media. The disk drives are already selling out and being scalped by bottom feeders on eBay.
I think a problem is that the games just serve as installation discs and license keys at this point. I hate to say it but it does feel like physical games for modern systems are obsolete (not movies because the quality is better and you get more features). Sony wants a digital future and doesn't see the point of discs anymore and in some ways, they have a point. It reminds me of what PCs went through decades ago now. Once internet speeds got to a certain point, it didn't make sense to buy a CD copy of a game. It just served as a delivery mechanism and it was just as easy to download it. Consoles are at that stage now. All of that said, as a diehard Blu-ray/4K collector, I understand the ownership, trading and borrowing aspect. I personally won't be supporting the PS5 Pro or getting one. Not because the lack of disc drive but because the price is ridiculous and it feels like a pointless upgrade. It's diminishing the impact of console generations. PS6 won't feel nearly as special when you had a PS5 Pro come out just a few years prior.
So far this generation, even the original PS5 hasnt appealed to me due to the lack of exclusives compared to previous gens. So what makes Sony think a $700 machine will be any better? LMAOOOO this has been the worst gen by far. Best example is that we are almost 5 years into this generation, and we still dont have GTA6 yet because Rockstar wants to keep milking GTA5 endlessly. (Watch the Rockstar shills attack me and defend their daddy Rockstar by saying "RoCKsTaR iS tHe bEsT, yoU'Re juST a HaTeR". All those Rockstar shills should invest in some knee pads to service Rockstar with that gawk gawk 9000).
Not to go at length defending rockstar, but i honestly think these gigantic AAAA games just take too long to make. On 6th and 7th gen it took 1-3 years, on 8th it took 3-5, now top end 9th gen games take 5+ years to make. So starting a ps4 game will just roll into ps5 and ps5 games are gonna be ready by the time ps6 comes out. I think the idea of consoles having “generations” is becoming rapidly outdated because it takes a dev 6-7 years to make one game
@@michaelmcguire7526 Do games take longer to make now? Maybe so. But I know damn sure it doesnt take 10, 15 or 20 years to make a new game so dont try with the excuses. Everyone with common sense knows that the #1 reason that GTA 6 is taking so long is because Rockstar is still milking GTA5 for 11 years.
@@michaelmcguire7526 RDR2 came out in 2018, that was 6 years ago. Thats more than enough time for Rockstar to have put out another GTA game by now. And even if GTA 6 isn't done, we definitely should've had much more info on the game by now like a 2nd trailer or some deep-dive gameplay footage. Their lack of info on GTA6 is what makes the situation worse. On top of that, Rockstar barely even supports RDR2 anymore. They've literally abandoned the game in order to keep milking GTA5 dry. So using the "RDR2" excuse doesn't work anymore.
I hate this ($700 with the disc drive sold separately at around $80 and the stand sold separately at around $30, making the combined price of the console to be about $810... taxes not included. THIS IS INSANE and I hate it). Sadly, they are doing this because they have beaten Xbox to a pulp this generation. PS5 sold about 60 million units, Xbox Series X/S sold about 30 million. PS5 has 2024 exclusives like Astro Bot, Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth, Stellar Blade, Rise of the Ronin, etc, and PS5/PC combo exclusives during 2024 like Helldivers 2, Pacific Drive, the upcoming Silent Hill 2 Remake, Concord (granted, that last one doesn't count anymore due to it surviving for only 14 days. LOL. I actually had the chance to play Concord during the final five hours due to a physical copy I got off of someone the night before the shutdown while also using the official Concord controller . Now my physical copy is a glorified Frisbee. LOL. At least the after market value of it has gone up). Meanwhile... Xbox Series X/S had ONE console exclusive release during 2024: Senua's Saga: Hellblade 2... that's it (yeah, it's also on PC, but I'm ignoring that... I need to mention an exclusive for the Xbox Series X in 2024 and this is as close as I can get. LMAO. And it's digital only, not even a physical copy of it). I was going to mention that upcoming Indiana Jones game... but that is no longer Xbox Series X/S console exclusive and it's coming to Playstation 5 (Playstation's channel even had a trailer for it). And Avowed got delayed to 2025. Anyway... Point I'm trying to make is that the "fight" between the Playstation 5 vs the Xbox Series X/S is EXTREMELY lopsided. The Playstation 5 has gotten more exclusives during 2024 than Xbox Series X/S has gotten during it's entire lifespan. Even third parties are putting their games on Playstation 5 first and delaying the Xbox Series X/S version (Black Myth Wukong and the upcoming Forever Skies being examples). Point of this... I HATE the crap they are doing for the Playstation 5 Pro. It's horrible. However, this is all a result of Xbox not being credible competition anymore. The only hope is Nintendo's new console (which strongly appears to be coming sometime next year) being powerful enough to run all the third party games PS5 gets in a respectable way (I'm guessing it will only be about as powerful as a Xbox Series S, but that's still a lot better than the current Switch which is having problems running a lot of third party games in a respectable way, causing a lot of third parties to skip the Switch. I hope the new Nintendo console is awesome).
21:53 it's not just 'a measure' of convenience, it is an IMMENSE convenience. I don't have to go to the store, I don't have to wait for my game disc to arrive in the mail, I don't have to get off my couch and go to a shelf or a disc binder to swap games. Hell, I don't have to buy shelves or binders to store new games, and I don't need a larger and larger living space to store my games. In some cases I don't even need to by external hard drives to store the games. There are MANY benefits to digital content.
As someone who still doesn't even have a normal PS5, I can say with absolute certainty that I will be skipping the Pro and probably this generation as a whole at this point. They just increased the price of the base model here in Japan after years of it being out of stock, and now that they've raised the price by 12,000 yen (about $80 USD), suddenly they're magically back in stock? I don't think so. Might possibly pick up a normal PS5 when the PS6 comes out, but I'll be sticking with my PS4 for the foreseeable future.
The thing about inflation is that wages haven't gone up to match it. So we are getting paid less relative to the cost of living. There's a chance the pro will massively boost psvr2 game performance and that makes a huge difference for immersion, so I might get it eventually, but a part of me will feel dirty.. coz yea.. the disk tray.. bad joojoo
Feel like 9th generation console are going be last physical media platform system, everything going be digital & Streaming. Ps5 pro hint about PlayStation 6 (10th generation) As I doubt PlayStation 6 will have the option to add a disc drive to play Ps4-5 DvD, 4k Blu-ray, but All PS6 Game will be 100% Digital. For Xbox 5th (10th gen), the gaming system will be the same as ps6, but mostly Digital & Streaming Microsoft into Gamespass.
I consider GoG to be ownership because I can back the games up as much as I want. It's basically on the same level of having all of your games backed up on a hacked console.
Even though the PS3 at launch was $600, at least it made up for it with backwards compatibility with PS1 and PS2 games, Blu-ray support, and at that time decent storage space.
In my opinion the biggest problem with the PS5 pro is it does not include a disk drive so it does not support physical media, if it doesn't support physical media I'm just going to buy a PC I'm not going to waste my time with the console. I buy consoles for physical media if it doesn't support it I don't want it
@@jwdickieson but it has the means, that's the point I'm making, it's not like the original PS5 digital machine that was 100% digital only, no option to upgrade.
@@RetroGamesBoy78 yep you're right at least this version of the PS5 has the ability to connect a disk drive to make it physical but for me that is an ending point not a starting point I should not have to pay at least 80 extra dollars to stick my disc into the system it's a damn console not a PC, have you watched videos the PC Master race fools, they are just shitting all over the price point of this console
@@jwdickieson I agree, having to buy the disc drive separately is a joke, there should have been two versions of the Pro just like the original and Slim versions.
@AdamKoralik According to the shipping data we've been tracking for Switch 2, it does indeed have a new card reader, physical media continues with one platform. I also wonder if the $700 price point, opens the door for Valve to introduce a steambox console for that price with similar performance, it would just be another model of their Steam OS platform, but Valve entering the home console market could be very interesting.
I’m the odd one out and am interested in getting one. I play on a 70 inch OLED so I can clearly see the difference between performance and fidelity. Looking forward to having the best of both worlds.
Not buying the PS5 Pro. Way too expensive. Also I am gaming on my Nintendo switch with games I play & like on there. There's no need to play games on the PS5 when games on the switch are a lot better.
The problem with adjusting for inflation is that most salaries haven't adjusted for inflation.
Hundred percent true.
That part. Many in the auto industry (manufacturing jobs) should be making $40+ an hour.
@@PrezidentHughes it’s crazy, I keep hearing on the news that average pay in the country has grown by …% each year but nobody I know is seeing it in their pay packet.
I'm still on the PS2 so this PS5 news doesn't affect me directly, unless it makes PS2 titles become more expensive for some weird reason. 😅
@@PrezidentHughes Same. I plan on getting on mine in a bit to play NBA Street. They're getting expensive because people are noticing how good the games really are and how rare they are to find.
We really didn't realize how good we had it during the 4th, 5th, and 6th generations of gaming, did we?
We got it good now. You can easily emulate all of those games on your phone now.
@@CNTconnoisseurThat's a bit of a stretch, emulation for those systems is far from perfect, phones aren't a home console, no online with those games, plus he's probably referring to the status quo of that the current systems are doing.
@@DuckAlertBeats For the 4th, 5th and 6th generation? They run great on my phone from 2 years ago. I think you're thinking about the 7th generation.
Oh, we definitely realized how good we had it, we just never expected how bad it'd get! Even the 7th gen was great for the most part - it wasn't 'til probably 2009ish when we really started to see how much the internet was truly going to change the gaming landscape in terms of digital distribution, completion of games (or lack thereof), micro transactions and DLC, etc. It wasn't BAD in 2009, but we started to see glimpses of where the industry would eventually go...and here we are...
no we did not. not in terms of the prices of consoles and video games. not in terms of the quality of said games. not in terms of the game design philosophy. not in terms of the creativity of said games. and not in terms of the completeness of said games. it was truly a special moment in history.
I feel Sony is reaching that level of cockiness they had right before the PS3 release.
Absolutely and it's gonna hit the harder when reality sets in
Sony really has been making a lot of big mistakes this last year
I glad I'm not the only one thinking that.
So….. does that mean PS6 will be awesome lol?
Yeah, every time Sony becomes the market leader, this happens. Same with PS3 after PS2.
No disc, no GAMES, no plastic cheap stand, no backwards compatibility…hell no!!!
The stand is $30 alone😅
I am saying already hell no to the PS5 1st gen in general.....
Am I the only one who wants ether Microsoft or Nintendo to announce a new model and just say 299… just to reference how Sony did that years ago
Unless they want to lose money and have more layoffs because parts for consoles haven’t gone down. Thank inflation
One of them needs to seize the opportunity
@@zainebrown1351 It's not just inflation, AMD use TSMC for manufacturing their silicone and TSMC demand is at an all time high. I still think they're ripping it with the price tho. Like PSSR AI gpu upscaling to 4k? So just a Sony version of AMDs FSR. I just don't see this gen lasting 3 more years it'll be 4 years already in winter. Fair enough as people buy 4090 for their pc and that's overkill so i guess even though i see it as not that great value it's just an option like the PS4 Pro was (which never became the defacto PS4).
The regular PS5 model is still there. They're not discontinuing it. How are people this braindead?
Not happening. This will also be you base playstation 6 price.
Damn at least the PS3 had a disc drive and was backwards compatible with PS1 and PS2. Price is too high. Completely agree that Sony didn’t read the room.
Free online too
It was also the cheapest Blu ray player
the PS3 was a technical marvel. It did everything playstation at the time, had an HDD, blu-ray, hdmi, optical audio, free online play. It was worth drooling over.
And is almost $1000 adjusted for inflation. So that's not saying much
@@grizzlybearking1878 I keep hearing about this inflation argument. But ask yourself have you factored in how stagnant wages have increased. Not a good metric.
Launch model PS3 was the last console I ever bought and I still play it almost daily. Servers going down literally gimps most if not all games which is why I stopped supporting new consoles. Yet I can still pop in Double Dragon 2, Super Mario RPG, Final Fantasy 7, Mario Kart 64, and get the original intended experience.
In 2 weeks I've seen a major retailer of physical games dissappear overnight and am seeing consoles with no disk drive release for 800 euros
you will own nothing and be happy... because all the big corpos want you to rent/stream
What a time to be alive, ehh?
The great reset, the new world order whatever you want to call it will take away all ownership. They want us to rent or subscribe everything.
If we don’t wake up and fight back the world is gonna be very different sooner than we think.
A true conspiracy if I ever have seen one, ooops, yes, I forgot 2020 for a second, sorry guys. But yes, they are all sleeping on the same bed here.
It's a good thing i sail the seven seas....
The argument of "I played it once, I don't care" doesn't even make any sense... It should be an argument for physical media, not for digital, since you can sell the physical copy after playing... These people are so dumb.
@@DrNioky No kidding. I lent a guy a copy of one of the God of War Games and he only needed to play it once; didn’t have to buy a copy himself. Buy it digitally, and your stuck with a game that you can’t simply lend and get your money back if you u change your mind.
As someone who buys PC Digital, I mainly buy on sale only. So I'm paying prices where for most games, if I lose the game it's unlikely that I'll miss it. (And if I do, _I know where to find a copy anyways)_
And now that I think about it, I don't think I've ever lost a game that I wouldn't have lost if I had bought physical. Like I lost Overwatch, because _everyone_ lost Overwatch. Similar to Destiny 2 (disc / OG content) or MAG, it being physical doesn't save it.
Well you can't get spec ops the line anymore unless it's physical now....
@@bobtom1495jailbroke your console and you can get it digitally
@@adamthiry868 Nobody asked you.....
It isn’t the fact the drive is sold separately that I find the dealbreaker, but that it requires a DRM check to install. There’s a future where some people who buy a PS5 Pro AND the disc drive won’t be able to play their physical games without jailbreaking the system.
Modern gaming is pushing me to go full retro. The industry is going a direction I'm not interested in following.
Catching up on my 40 year backlog!!
I'm kind of hoarding 360 games right now. Pretty much the last console gen where you could install a working game from the disc without going online.
My income hasn't inflated the past few years...
Same son.
I fully moved to PC thanks to the Steam Deck. Because this is ridiculous. If they are going all digital it is no point. I'd rather have the steam deck where i have all my games from decades
Nah buddy I’ve seen you on twitter making crazy comments on twitter/X you should get help… professional help
@@zainebrown1351 I am very critical with Sony's track record, if that offends you and upsets you you should get help.
@@zainebrown1351what did he say ?
@@KarimJovian Hahaha the guy must be in love with you if he finds you in a random comment on RUclips. May God protect you of crazies, amen.
@@Wano_9 he was arguing Ppl calling ppl autistic, retards, ponies all types of derogatory names because of Xbox. Trolling and stealing people’s pictures.
Sony's greediness really makes you appreciate Sega's affordable Dreamcast. Physical media was always on sale back then as low as $19.99 for Shenmue at Target a few weeks after it released in late 2000.
Though I’m pretty sure they sold the Dreamcast at a lost for selling it at $199, brilliant as that was.
Well thats because nobody was buying DC games or hardware lmao
Yeah, I miss playing on the Dreamcast. Oh, wait. No I don't, I still play on it to this day!
Wonder if PS5Pro with it's PSSR (pi-s-s-er) upgrade can do that in 25 years? 😂
@@elmarakovideo I feel this is why it's actually healthy for them to get their teeth kicked in ever other gen or so, just to keep them on their toes.
I will also quit console gaming if they ever end physical media
Same here
Don't worry, Switch 2 has us covered!! I'm betting Sony is gonna drop discs altogether in PS6, but tbh, what they're asking for the 5 Pro can buy you a 1TB Steam Deck.
if you do not own something why buy it?
same
I'm still mad Sony took away your ability to freely and easily transfer individual games saves to and from USB drives. You can do it with PS4 games but with PS5 games you either have to subscribe to PSN to upload them to the cloud or do the painful (and not the least bit fast or convenient) process of backing up all your PS5 saves at once. So yeah that alone has made me stick to PS4 versions of games and it is increasingly looking like my "fat" PS5 will be the last console I'll own. I vehemently hate this new process of having a detachable disc drive you pay separate for and having to go online to pair it with a console.
cry about it
Even Nintendo isn't that bad
@@jsc315 Aren't they? Last I checked saves were locked to the Switch as well.
At least saves on WiiU were annoying by flawed system design. Switch and PS5 is just corporate greed over consumer goodwill.. 😮💨
@@Joppheimerwe will see who cries when you pay $100 a game with no second option.
@@Joppheimergo to hell
No disc, no plastic stand and no games for $700, it finally happened, Sony has lost their mind. Even the PS3 had a disc drive and backwards compatibility but it was still too expensive.
No offense to Sega, but the way Sony is selling this PS5 Pro feels like the Genesis + CD + 32x to get the ultimate gaming setup charged three ways and won't be the best thing still after maybe a year or two.
What the hell is the point of the ps6 now? Games arent even optimized for base ps5 and top end pc games are barely distinguishable from ps5 games… sony and xbox are really painting themselves in a corner with this endless chase for graphical fidelity, i didnt see it then but nintendo’s approach of offering gamers new and interesting ways to play games is gonna pay dividends next gen.
ps6 gonna be a couple of years not now. stop asking stupid questions.
@@JoppheimerIt’s not asking a ridiculous question at all it’s a very valid question. Will PS6 be $700 also cause if so then you’re really getting into non mass market territory for a console. It will definitely not sell well out of the gate and then the PlayStation brand would be big trouble especially if the software continues at a snail’s pace like it has been for PS5.
Sony: 700$ for the PS5 pro ... Stand not included
Apple: your welcome Sony
a $30 stand isn't that big of a deal, compared to Apple charging $1,000. I mean, yeah it's crappy that it's not included - but it's pretty much always been like that with few exceptions.
@@brandenluceroshut up
Nintendo announces the next switch with capabilities similar of a ps4 pro, that still plays 98% of the current gen games, Mr. Bowser go to the stage, he says, 399, and leaves.
It would be like poetry.
That would be so poetic.
Releasing the PS5 Pro without a Disc drive is criminal and daylight robbery:-))
I wasn't interested in the PS5, I'm absolutely not interested in a £700-£800 PS5 Pro. And for what? Minor graphical improvements? Wasn't the base PS5 meant to do what they say the Pro can do?
The continuing decline and sadly seemingly envitable end of physical games sucks and I won't support any part of it. Though I hadn't thought about what all this might do to DVDs, Blurays, & CDs in general, guess I better ramp up my collecting.
been watching your videos for years now. love it. dont stop
My concern is what happens when the PS6 comes out? Do people buy it day one? or do they just wait for another Pro model? Will this move have a backlash in Sony's sales in the future?
It will be like in this gen - for years people will stay on ps5 and everything will be crossgen. Especially that the difference in performance will be even smaller.
Me in Sweden with 25% sales tax: 😀🔫
damn they get you coming and going
gotta love that so called free healthcare lol
@@cal2127 that's what happens when you live in a communist utopia.. unicorns and rainbows lol..
@@WoozyPolarBear yes, but you're still paying a sales tax lmao and the amount is public knowledge.
Just 25%? That's the dream, here in Brazil is 93% and the goverment think it still kinda low, and next year will be around 110% :D
Iwata was right. God bless his soul.
Could you please remind me what he said ?
@@IamMrLebanon "Well, I really don't believe that there will be a bright future waiting for the so-called next-generation consoles that Sony and Microsoft are advocating right now. As you may know I was developing games until quite recently myself, I know how it is, and if any of these developers come to me and say, look, CPU or processing power is ten times as much as today, graphic capability is twenty times, then I will say, that means wore workload and slight difference with the current system in terms of letting people understand how improved the graphics shall be. So just as we have established with handheld gaming with the DS, just for example, if we cannot change the user interface of the current home console systems, and let consumers understand we are changing how the games are being played, then I am sorry, but it must be difficult for anyone to persuade people to purchase so-called next generation consoles."
@@itsasecrettoeverybody Thank you ! Wow indeed he was right ! R.I.P 🫡
@@IamMrLebanon RIP...
No problem. 👍
The king. Man, we really need a guy like that these days.
Ps5 slim should be $399
And the ps5 pro $499
$700 is way too much, especially without a disc drive. I'll just wait until it's cheaper
Lol😂
Dream on.
These companies no longer slash prices. They only Jack them up.
It's not gonna get any cheaper faster and by the time it gets cheaper the PS6 will be out anyways so there's no point in getting it at all.
In this current moden day for everything I really don't think there's going to be price drop. in the past with playstation consoles the Playstation slim was a cheaper alternative but it's not this gen, so what i the world would make u think the pro would drop in price.
No disc drive, No stand... and NO GAMES!
No backward compatibility
No shame
☮️
Sounds like a you problem because I have a huge backlog
So true
It absolutely has games. They just happen to be PS4 games 🤔
Heads are rolling, people are going to be fired.
I do appreciate that I wasn’t the only one who thought about the 3DO when the price tag was revealed.
Don't forget that even the pro enhanced games can't even run at 60 fps... Lmao like what's the fucking point in releasing the PS5 pro nobody was asking for one...
If you Don't want one then buy a Playstation 5 pro stop Whining like bunch of babies honestly
If you Don't one
So you’re just blatantly lying, cool
this dude a straight up lying grifter
.....huh?
PS5 Pro 700 - Disc Drive 80 - Stand 30 - extra controller 75 - new game 70 = $955.00 usd (I could build a great rig for that price)
You'd also need to throw in having to pay for online
Good to know that PC still sucks
I wonder how different the response would have been if the PS5 Pro had shipped with a 1TB SSD instead of a 2TB SSD and either (a) included the disk drive or (b) cost $100 less. I think either of those options would have gone over much better with fans.
There would have been backlash regardless. I don’t know if you noticed but people can’t help but whine and moan all day online about whatever the hottest controversy is
Hahaha perhaps.
Consoles are just too expensive now and lower prices have been the selling point of them for the longest time lol. (Canadian prices, tax not included)
-PS5 Pro $950
-Disk Drive $100
-Extra Controller $95
-Vertical Stand $40
-1year of online $95
-A game $80
Just buy a PC at this point lol, Sony brings their games there now.
Give me a price break down of a comparable pc
@@NTsiya I don't mind if a game is $80 because I buy switch games for that price. It's everything else that's too expensive.
Agreed and that’s what console gaming is supposed to be a cheaper option to PC gaming.
Just a quick aside per the Playstation wanting to replace PC at one point. About 8 years ago I went to a linux expo and one of the events was helping people get linux installed on their laptops. A substantial portion of that group were actually scientists and researchers who said they used PS3s running yellow dog linux for their work and were disappointed when Sony patched that feature out of the system. Also if I remember correctly there used to be an option on PS3 where you could donate some processing power to Universities to help them for research.
Folding@Home, definitely still a thing on PC.
@@Fay7666 Interesting! I didn't know that it still existed in some form (I also forgot the name of the program) I appreciate it!
I was looking forward to the pro, but that price coupled with no disc drive? Nope. Will stick to my launch PS5
The PS5 Pro has lines across the middle of the console which are a nod to the lines Sony executives were doing when they priced the thing.
- Someone on the internet
😂😂😂
Over here in Australia it is $1200. The disc drive is $159.95 and the stand is $49.95. So over $1400 AUD all up. ($940 USD) 😂
That's because the Aussie dollar is only worth around 66 U.S. Cents.
I can see going digital for retro 'mini' consoles as ROM files are small enough to fit 1000s on a hard drive, but I can't imagine these 100gb-500gb games taking up 10, 20, 30%+ of your space just for that one game.
good point
I stopped at base PS4 and XBox One, when many game discs started to become download launchers rather than actual playable games.
3:10 first of all thanks for the clarification, me as an European and German is still baffled by the low taxes. We get slapped with 19% in the hole country, the prices of electronics like the ps5 pro or apple products are quite a bit more expensive here even with taxes subtracted and than the fact that the € is more worth than the converted $. PS5 pro costs here with taxes 883$ and the disc drive unit alone 133$, makes added = 1016$
Reminds me of the 599 USD PS3 announcement
Physical media is clearly on its way out. Been to stores lately like Walmart, BestBuy, Target. There is no denying, physical media is going out but keep up the good fight. Hell, movies now go from the theater right into streaming services. Life will continue...
Hold out for a year at the minimum, so they can fix all the launch issues and inevitably ship a version with the disk drive.
Woah, this is the first time your channel appeared in my recommendeds in a looong time. I remember watching your console cleaning videos like a decade ago if not longer lmao. Was super nostalgic hearing the "figure it owwt" lmao. Glad to see you're still at it and doing quite well!
I feel a Sony is going to take out the PS5 slims out of stores and put in pros so your forced to pay the 700. Just how you can’t get original ps5 in stores anymore. What a time we live in.
I didn't realize that I was only subscribed to your channel on my original channel. So glad that the algorithm blessed me today. Good yo hear from you dude!
You’ll have to buy the controller separately soon
Sony is smoking some good shit, i know that much
I have a ps5 and I haven’t put more than 40 hours on it. There are hardly any games I would want to play on it, mostly just ps4 games I’m still trying to play
Hardly any games? Dude Stellar Blade, final fantasy 7 rebirth, rise of the ronin, spider man 2, helldivers 2, Astro bot, black myth wukong.. are all awesome games give them a try
That's less than 10 games, and it's halfway through the generation.
@@zainebrown1351if these are good and desirable games for you fine 👍
But can you imagine there are people out there who do not consider these good and desirable games? I’m certainly one of them 🤷♂️
Why did you buy it?
@@zainebrown1351 I’m pretty sure every game you mentioned is just a another 3rd person / over the shoulder game, they all feel and play the same, no variety
I knew we were screwed when Wii U games stopped coming with an instruction manual. I absolutely hate the direction of the video game industry.
I only buy physical so I went into this gen knowing it would probably be the last gen of me buying new games, seeing it actually happen though has been tough.
Just another reason to be a retro gamer.
I don’t understand the people that are saying physical media is holding technology back, how exactly is it doing that?
I agree with you.
I couldn't even tell the difference in the footage. Mind - I have no screens in my home that could show off everything the Pro is capable of even if I were watching the highest bitrate stream possible. I'm still using the 1080p TV I bought in 2014. I have no interest in upgrading. The only benefit I'd see from the Pro is more detail - and I didn't even notice the increase on the graphical details until I watched a video where somebody zoomed in really close on objects in the distance.
We need to have conversations about digital ownership and consumer rights in this arena; digital makes a LOT of sense for games, to the point where as a matter of practicality, pressing discs and cartridges doesn't really make sense. But how I see digital ownership is, "I buy the product and have unlimited use of it so long as the files are on my drives" and companies do not seem to want to give me that. To this day, when I buy digital music, I get it through a service that lets me download MP3 or FLAC files to my harddrive and back them up or burn them to discs as I please - GoG is the only service willing to provide that for gamers, and that's the problem.
But I will say - if things go all-digital anyway, I have zero reason not to just get everything on PC where at the very least platforms like Steam make it easy to get a lot of games cheap. If I'm going to have little in the way of consumer rights, at least don't fleece me in the process.
And that's where Sony and other console manufacturers are going off the rails. Why should I buy digital when there's no savings for me and no ability to get some of the money I spend back as credit when I'm done with the game or if I don't like it?
I'm not married to physical media because of things like disc rot and day one patches. Like it or not, backing games up to harddrives and jailbreaking any patches and DLC is the only way we get actual preservations; they've been chipping away at our consumer rights even with the physical copies they sell. I see very little benefit to physical media anymore outside of being able to resell it or let someone borrow my games. As a whole, we need to start having the consumer rights conversations now that we should've been having yesterday because the format and method of distribution guarantees us nothing in this current climate - and stuff like Adobe's been pulling is exactly why this needs to happen. What's going on with games has implications on any form of digital ownership in any ecosystem - people who are happy to trade their rights for convenience today are not gonna like it when the only option to watch their favorite movie is a $29.99 per month subscription where you still have to pay $5 to rent specific titles and you can only get a censored or heavily altered version from the one they remember ala Star Wars. We can't afford apathy in this space.
So not only am I not getting a PS5 Pro - with what Sony's shown off, it's very likely I'm not buying another console ever again if this is the direction they're going with it.
Very good post
700 bucks to not have blurry backgrounds in games.
I'm still playing PS4 anyway, and i'm playing Mega Drive, Sega Saturn, PS1, Dreamcast more than that so kinda says where we're at with gaming atm.
For that price you could buy an almost top of the line graphics card and you're not locked into Sonys store. I think it's madness, but they must have some market research that tells them it'll sell. They have done well with hardware that's not VR so we'll see
My biggest issue with the PS5 Pro is the fact that even when you compare the differences on the Pro, it's not a big enough jump to pay extra for it. It's such a small jump in graphics that the average console gamer will look at it and say it's not worth the price. The biggest advantage with the Pro is with PSVR2 and we all know how well that sold. Everything else about it with the disk drive and kick stand just seems like Sony is nickel and dime the customer.
Good point about Sony not shipping PS5 Pro games on disc, everything will be downloadable patches. Was unsure if I’d pick up one, but this insight made me decide against. Good to have Adams point of view to clarify the situation!
The mid cycle refresh made sense during the PS4/Xbox One era because those systems were notoriously underpowered at launch. This is just a blatant cash grab and pointless when you consider the next gen Playstation will likely arrive in 2027 at the soonest.
This makes me glad I went directly to PC gaming after building my very own gaming PC, I even included a disc drive. The PS5 & Xbox Series X just doesn't appeal to me. I prefer the Switch over those two.
The nostalgia is crazy rn, love your videos man.
Astrobot apparently was well liked but isn't selling well at least in Japan...Sony is out of their minds with a $700 PS5 Pro in this economy...it would only be worth it is if Sony contracted Mike Chi to integrate Retrotink technology inside it with 100% backwards compatibility with PS1-PS3 physical discs.
The arrogance of Sony right now is painful. The price & extra costs of extras is what put me off the 360 once upon a time. PS3 has everything built in, while the 360 needed a separate HD-DVD drive & wi-fi adapter before the slim model. Now PS5 wants you to buy the disc drive separately & now the stand too! 🤦♂️
Screw you Sony!
ADAM!!! I been WAITING for your vid about this!! lol Love your takes on console gaming!!
If no one buys it they will be forced to drop the price. Then they will likely need to drop the price of the standard PS5 as well. Figuring out how to include enhanced upgraded backwards compatibility to the majority if not all PS4, PS3, PS2 and even PS1 disc games and also including the disc drive in a package deal and allowing disc games to be fully ripped to the hard drive or external storage drives might help save the whole situation though.
What was definitely DOA was that weird AI Sony guy with the wig who was giving the whole presentation 😂
Sony has turned to the dark side! Dark day for physical media!
I think the situation would have been far more egregious if you COULDN'T buy a disk drive separately. Better for physicality to be an optional extra than non-existent.
The fact the thing it’s 700$ like holy moly especially in this economy it’s insane and without a disc drive why I get saving cost but if the thing it’s too expensive to make and sell why make it the PS5 it’s just 4 years old and keep in mind the switch it’s half of that price and has a bigger library insane of Sony to release a updated version of a console that exist and that update doesn’t even looks impressive at all unless you absolutely love graphics
Fun fact, it's actually 1k CAD with taxes in Canada
I fully moved to PC after the Dreamcast, I see no use of any of these newer consoles, and I'm saying this with a severly outdated PC.
I won't be buying any more consoles. PS4 was the last I bought. Now I'm using a killer build of Batocera. I've gradually built this Batocera so damn awesome.
When they release a disc drive option for the same price then I’ll probably get one. Rachet and clank rift apart will be unbelievable probably
It already looks amazing
I like the way you explain things to make it make sense. Great video.
It's like Sony is like wanting me to not upgrade my PS4 to PS5
This is like buying a $2000.00 phone with no MICO SD card slot😂
What gets me is the fact that this "pro" console has net negatives. The Nintendo Switch OLED got criticized by many for being an unimpressive upgrade, and many passed on the PS4 Pro. However, both of those console were objective upgrades, there were zero downsides. The PS5 Pro lacks the stand and disc drive, they took stuff AWAY and not little tiny things. The literal primary way to USE THE CONSOLE was taken away. Sony committed to the disc drive for the PS5 generation, sure someone can make the "digital is the future" argument if this was a hypothetical PS6, but it's not. You have just been given the "finger" if you dared invest in your consoles PRIMARY use, DOUBLY so if you're an existing PS4 customer who also spent the generation amassing many physical games. Putting that extra cost on the customer on top of the $700 tag? Absurd, plain and simple. It's that Apple-like mentality of removing primary features to sell them back.
My guy, you are having an epic rant of hot air. There is no difference between the slim and pro as far as physical is concerned. The disk drive is available to buy like it is for the slim. They use the same drive.
@@grizzlybearking1878 Get Jim Ryan's shlong out of your mouth before you speak.
@@grizzlybearking1878 There is quite literally a difference.
One is $700 and does not have the drive included. Even if it is compatible, like I said it's that annoying Apple mentality.
@DoctorMinjinx Read my words. No difference "as far as physical" is concerned. OBVIOUSLY, there is a difference as far as a price is concerned.
On top of the price of the damn thing you need one hell of a expensive tv to even get anything new and noticable out of it
I don't know what you consider "expensive" but not really. As long as it's a 4K 60Hz TV, not even HDMI 2.1, and you have a reasonably close viewing distance, you should see much clearer 60 fps performance modes, basically quality at 60 fps. The nicest TVs would still of course be nicer for everything, PS5 Pro included, but the benefit would be clearly visible on any 4K TV. If PSSR is anywhere near as good as DLSS games will have much bigger leeway for better image quality, better settings and ray tracing at a 60 fps target. PSSR allows the game to be rendering at a lower resolution internally but output very close to 4K native image quality, meaning you can approach 4K with much better performance. This has been done on PC for 6 years now at this point and is crucial for accommodating good ray tracing (ray tracing at native 4K kills even a 4090). For last-gen games with PS5 versions like God of War Ragnarok, that already are crisp enough at dynamic res 4k 60 fps, there's less benefit. Those games could now be pushed closer to the 120Hz refresh barring a CPU bottleneck.
There are quite a few PS5 games that have very rough image quality in performance mode, especially newer ones like FFXVI, FFVII Rebirth and Black Myth Wukong. Think about all of the upcoming UE5 games that now can run at 60 fps without looking like dogshit. Technically I think the PS5 Pro will be impressive and ensure a high quality 60 fps experience for visually challenging games. It's just that damn price and the lack of disk drive that kills it. Especially the disk drive is insane because it's intended for enthusiasts who obviously also would have a backlog of physical media. The disk drives are already selling out and being scalped by bottom feeders on eBay.
I think a problem is that the games just serve as installation discs and license keys at this point. I hate to say it but it does feel like physical games for modern systems are obsolete (not movies because the quality is better and you get more features). Sony wants a digital future and doesn't see the point of discs anymore and in some ways, they have a point. It reminds me of what PCs went through decades ago now. Once internet speeds got to a certain point, it didn't make sense to buy a CD copy of a game. It just served as a delivery mechanism and it was just as easy to download it. Consoles are at that stage now. All of that said, as a diehard Blu-ray/4K collector, I understand the ownership, trading and borrowing aspect. I personally won't be supporting the PS5 Pro or getting one. Not because the lack of disc drive but because the price is ridiculous and it feels like a pointless upgrade. It's diminishing the impact of console generations. PS6 won't feel nearly as special when you had a PS5 Pro come out just a few years prior.
Should be nice and quiet running, especially when turned off.
So far this generation, even the original PS5 hasnt appealed to me due to the lack of exclusives compared to previous gens.
So what makes Sony think a $700 machine will be any better? LMAOOOO this has been the worst gen by far. Best example is that we are almost 5 years into this generation, and we still dont have GTA6 yet because Rockstar wants to keep milking GTA5 endlessly.
(Watch the Rockstar shills attack me and defend their daddy Rockstar by saying "RoCKsTaR iS tHe bEsT, yoU'Re juST a HaTeR". All those Rockstar shills should invest in some knee pads to service Rockstar with that gawk gawk 9000).
Not to go at length defending rockstar, but i honestly think these gigantic AAAA games just take too long to make. On 6th and 7th gen it took 1-3 years, on 8th it took 3-5, now top end 9th gen games take 5+ years to make. So starting a ps4 game will just roll into ps5 and ps5 games are gonna be ready by the time ps6 comes out. I think the idea of consoles having “generations” is becoming rapidly outdated because it takes a dev 6-7 years to make one game
@@michaelmcguire7526 Do games take longer to make now? Maybe so. But I know damn sure it doesnt take 10, 15 or 20 years to make a new game so dont try with the excuses. Everyone with common sense knows that the #1 reason that GTA 6 is taking so long is because Rockstar is still milking GTA5 for 11 years.
@@thechosenone2123 im not sure how the teams are split up but rockstar also made Red Dead 2 in between.
@@michaelmcguire7526 RDR2 came out in 2018, that was 6 years ago. Thats more than enough time for Rockstar to have put out another GTA game by now. And even if GTA 6 isn't done, we definitely should've had much more info on the game by now like a 2nd trailer or some deep-dive gameplay footage. Their lack of info on GTA6 is what makes the situation worse. On top of that, Rockstar barely even supports RDR2 anymore. They've literally abandoned the game in order to keep milking GTA5 dry. So using the "RDR2" excuse doesn't work anymore.
at least it isnt bethesda with new elder scrolls. Or nintendo with new mario kart. Or metroid prime 4. Or kingdom hearts 4…
I hate this ($700 with the disc drive sold separately at around $80 and the stand sold separately at around $30, making the combined price of the console to be about $810... taxes not included. THIS IS INSANE and I hate it). Sadly, they are doing this because they have beaten Xbox to a pulp this generation. PS5 sold about 60 million units, Xbox Series X/S sold about 30 million. PS5 has 2024 exclusives like Astro Bot, Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth, Stellar Blade, Rise of the Ronin, etc, and PS5/PC combo exclusives during 2024 like Helldivers 2, Pacific Drive, the upcoming Silent Hill 2 Remake, Concord (granted, that last one doesn't count anymore due to it surviving for only 14 days. LOL. I actually had the chance to play Concord during the final five hours due to a physical copy I got off of someone the night before the shutdown while also using the official Concord controller . Now my physical copy is a glorified Frisbee. LOL. At least the after market value of it has gone up).
Meanwhile...
Xbox Series X/S had ONE console exclusive release during 2024: Senua's Saga: Hellblade 2... that's it (yeah, it's also on PC, but I'm ignoring that... I need to mention an exclusive for the Xbox Series X in 2024 and this is as close as I can get. LMAO. And it's digital only, not even a physical copy of it). I was going to mention that upcoming Indiana Jones game... but that is no longer Xbox Series X/S console exclusive and it's coming to Playstation 5 (Playstation's channel even had a trailer for it). And Avowed got delayed to 2025.
Anyway...
Point I'm trying to make is that the "fight" between the Playstation 5 vs the Xbox Series X/S is EXTREMELY lopsided. The Playstation 5 has gotten more exclusives during 2024 than Xbox Series X/S has gotten during it's entire lifespan. Even third parties are putting their games on Playstation 5 first and delaying the Xbox Series X/S version (Black Myth Wukong and the upcoming Forever Skies being examples).
Point of this...
I HATE the crap they are doing for the Playstation 5 Pro. It's horrible. However, this is all a result of Xbox not being credible competition anymore. The only hope is Nintendo's new console (which strongly appears to be coming sometime next year) being powerful enough to run all the third party games PS5 gets in a respectable way (I'm guessing it will only be about as powerful as a Xbox Series S, but that's still a lot better than the current Switch which is having problems running a lot of third party games in a respectable way, causing a lot of third parties to skip the Switch. I hope the new Nintendo console is awesome).
21:53 it's not just 'a measure' of convenience, it is an IMMENSE convenience. I don't have to go to the store, I don't have to wait for my game disc to arrive in the mail, I don't have to get off my couch and go to a shelf or a disc binder to swap games. Hell, I don't have to buy shelves or binders to store new games, and I don't need a larger and larger living space to store my games. In some cases I don't even need to by external hard drives to store the games. There are MANY benefits to digital content.
Yeah, at the cost of rights.
I'm just like you, Adam. If physical media goes away so do I. 😣
As someone who still doesn't even have a normal PS5, I can say with absolute certainty that I will be skipping the Pro and probably this generation as a whole at this point. They just increased the price of the base model here in Japan after years of it being out of stock, and now that they've raised the price by 12,000 yen (about $80 USD), suddenly they're magically back in stock? I don't think so. Might possibly pick up a normal PS5 when the PS6 comes out, but I'll be sticking with my PS4 for the foreseeable future.
The thing about inflation is that wages haven't gone up to match it. So we are getting paid less relative to the cost of living.
There's a chance the pro will massively boost psvr2 game performance and that makes a huge difference for immersion, so I might get it eventually, but a part of me will feel dirty.. coz yea.. the disk tray.. bad joojoo
Feel like 9th generation console are going be last physical media platform system, everything going be digital & Streaming.
Ps5 pro hint about PlayStation 6 (10th generation)
As I doubt PlayStation 6 will have the option to add a disc drive to play Ps4-5 DvD, 4k Blu-ray, but All PS6 Game will be 100% Digital.
For Xbox 5th (10th gen), the gaming system will be the same as ps6, but mostly Digital & Streaming Microsoft into Gamespass.
Switch 2 announcement any day now…
I consider GoG to be ownership because I can back the games up as much as I want. It's basically on the same level of having all of your games backed up on a hacked console.
$800 for a marginal upgrade
Physical forever - hopefully
at least Nintendo keeps it alive
Even though the PS3 at launch was $600, at least it made up for it with backwards compatibility with PS1 and PS2 games, Blu-ray support, and at that time decent storage space.
Godzilla shirt is fire....Sony kinda got boring tho tbh
In my opinion the biggest problem with the PS5 pro is it does not include a disk drive so it does not support physical media, if it doesn't support physical media I'm just going to buy a PC I'm not going to waste my time with the console. I buy consoles for physical media if it doesn't support it I don't want it
But it does support physical media, you have to buy the disc drive separatelyl
@@RetroGamesBoy78 Right so the PS5 is digital only... unless you spend more money and buy this additional part sold separately
@@jwdickieson but it has the means, that's the point I'm making, it's not like the original PS5 digital machine that was 100% digital only, no option to upgrade.
@@RetroGamesBoy78 yep you're right at least this version of the PS5 has the ability to connect a disk drive to make it physical but for me that is an ending point not a starting point I should not have to pay at least 80 extra dollars to stick my disc into the system it's a damn console not a PC, have you watched videos the PC Master race fools, they are just shitting all over the price point of this console
@@jwdickieson I agree, having to buy the disc drive separately is a joke, there should have been two versions of the Pro just like the original and Slim versions.
@AdamKoralik According to the shipping data we've been tracking for Switch 2, it does indeed have a new card reader, physical media continues with one platform. I also wonder if the $700 price point, opens the door for Valve to introduce a steambox console for that price with similar performance, it would just be another model of their Steam OS platform, but Valve entering the home console market could be very interesting.
Sony ruined gaming.
I’m the odd one out and am interested in getting one. I play on a 70 inch OLED so I can clearly see the difference between performance and fidelity. Looking forward to having the best of both worlds.
Not buying the PS5 Pro. Way too expensive. Also I am gaming on my Nintendo switch with games I play & like on there. There's no need to play games on the PS5 when games on the switch are a lot better.