I want my automatic watches to keep reasonable time, of course. But if accuracy was the most important issue, I'd wear quartz watches. I could not care less about chronometer certification. I enjoyed the video, though.
I've got a COSC chronometer from Mido (based on a 2824 movement), and it is insanely accurate (using Toolwatch for timing, I've never been more than +/- 2 seconds with it, and it's hit 0.0 several times). That being said, I have several watches that, on wrist at least, run in the -4/+6 range, and cost much less to buy (and, eventually, service, as one is an NH35, and one is a 9015). Does it matter? Well, it means that I might have to reset the time on the chronometer once a month, while I might reset the time on the accurate non-chronometers once every 3 weeks or so? And that's assuming I care about being a minute early or late by my watch.
The same I bought a Mido ocean star 600 Chronometer and it’s so Accurate it’s 0-1 + I never have to set the time after not wearing it it’s my 1st Mido let alone a chronometer watch I have like 10 watches and after having a non cosc watch I think you get what you pay for with that being said my next watch will be a chronometer.
THANK YOU for the educational part on why the chronometer was invented in the first place. I own both chronometer certified and non-certified watches. In terms of accuracy? Get a quartz watch if it matters to you. What the certification gets you is the consistency and resilience when it comes to time keeping, it does not mean it is always more accurate. Hell, some people have an skx running at +/- 0.0 spd but the question is how long it will hold that accuracy. In order to get accuracy, it is dead simple, regulate it. But to get resilience, you need the quality and the precision, and the engineering to ensure that the watch will hold its accuracy in all conditions. I will say this, if you daily drive an automatic and travel to varying temperatures frequently, say a hot desert today and arctic the next and for the whole time? It is worth getting a chronometer certified one as it has been tested to work in such conditions. If not, don't be put off by a watch not being certified, and definitely don't be a snob just because you have one. And if your life depends on dead accuracy and reliability? Get a DECENT HIGH QUALITY quartz piece.
1. Super informative! I didn’t know anything about the actual marine chronometer. 2. Yes, Chronometer testing definitely matters. Watchfinder did a cool bit about that a few times. 3. Marketing is totally a part of it it, but at the same time that shouldn’t cheapen the value of the certification. Awesome video, Jory! Thanks
Proud of you for getting through that mind-bender, Jory;) "Longitude" by David Sobel, about the invention of said Marine Chrono was pretty entertaining. Recommended.
I never really thought much about accuracy until I unknowingly got a watch with a high frequency quartz movement. I set it, wore it a bit then moved on to some mechanical watches and eventually cycled my way through my collection back to it, only to realize it was still spot on to the second correct months later. Was briefly super interested in adding more yet ended up shifting focus back and now it's my goto precision watch (it's also a moonphase chronograph) that I can potentially set my others to when I don't want to go load up a website. As for chronometers, accuracy is nice, but I hear lots of non-certified movements can be just as accurate and even have a basic ETA that was pretty consistent. That doesn't mean I'm against them, but it's not something I just have to have either. A couple of my watches don't even have visible second hands, so, except for the handful of tasks that require spot on timing, it's generally not that big a deal to me.
Good episode! I just thought I would give my opinion about your question, NO it doesn't matter because if I need a really accurate watch I use a quartz watch. I don't see a point in paying for their selling point.
OK, Jory, you'll love this...because I have two COSC Chronometers (Mido Ocean Star 600 and Formex Reef), and my PADI Turtle usually keeps better time than both of them:) I definitely value the COSC certification just because there's so much smoke and mirrors around what grade of movements various brands use, and what accuracy to realistically expect beyond factory specs. That said, I'm an even bigger fan of brands like LIV which will just say their automatics are adjusted to +/-5 seconds and they'll stand behind that with two years of warranty! I really wish more brands would just do that, because to me, it's the best of both worlds.
Great video!!! I'd love to have a chronometer certified watch. Or at least one that I can rely on without having to change the time every 2 weeks. My Orient Mako 2 USA is within manufacturer specs but gets 5 minutes fast every 2-3 weeks. I still like it, but would love an automatic watch that I don't need to worry about setting the time.
Great answer once we FINALLY got to it. Like 4 times, I forgot why I was watching this video and was lost in the attempts at humor. Very informative, very knowledgeable. Way to long, in my opinion, or I would watch more videos.
I remember the HELL out of MapQuest. When it comes to COSC certification, I think that a good way to look at it is as some would view ISO standards compliance. Personally, I don't care about ISO compliance in a dive watch - I took my Orient Ray II swimming plenty this summer, and were I a proper diver, not only would I entrust my life to proper modern dive gear, but I'd have no issue bringing along my Ray just for fun. Speaking of my Ray, it has never run outside of -2s/+1s per day. That's within Rolex standards. I have a watch with a Seiko movement that run very consistently at around +3s/+4s per day. I don't want to say there is a degree of superficiality to such things as ISO standards and COSC certifications, because there isn't. A watch compliant with ISO standards is a tough chunk of wrist candy, and a watch with a COSC certifications is a damn accurate watch that is guaranteed to be accurate in a multitude of conditions. Some people will live and die by these ISO and COSC labels, but I think that's foolish. One should be able to acknowledge the merit such labels grant a watch without viewing such things as the be-all-end-all of watches worth one's money.
Good explanation of the marine chronometer. The one I used was built as you described. It was important to shoot the sun or stars with an accurate time. A few seconds could place you miles off your course. It was key wound every afternoon and synched with the US Atomic clock, every midnight.
Two things: 1st. Back in the 90's, TNT produced a very good film about Harrison and his son decades long quest to develop the chronometer. Oddly enough, it was called 'Longitude'. 2nd. I would GREATLY appreciate an explanation of the meaning of "different positions" in the testing of watched for COSC certification. Thanks ;)
Interesting because a certified Chronometer needs to meet strict accuracy parameters within various stringent operating conditions...something an Atomic GPS G-Shock is unbeatable at. That's the real question. If only Casio made a genuine Atomic G-Shock field watch
Yes it is very important, my watch is also meta certified, less than half a second per day, Omega and Rolex, along with other alpha brands watches are always attempting the high degree of accuracy and reliability, it’s an art.
I do have a chronometer certified watch, a C60 Trident Ombre LE and is losing a second a day and coming from having radio controlled or satellite watches for the last 5 years I can tell you that makes a big difference when the watch is losing a second during 24 hours compared with a watch which is losing or gaining more than 10 seconds a day, (decent also for a mechanical watch.... ) therefore I would go for a chronometer watch anytime as I don’t like to have to adjust it every single day....
If I was a 1 watch kinda guy, I would like for it to be COSC certified, but seeing its rare for me to wear the same watch for a 3rd day in a row, I don't see where the added expense would do me any good.
COSC, and ISO such as 6425, matter a lot. They indicate either the manufacturer's mastery of machining tolerances if product rejection is low, or the manufacturer's commitment to high quality control. e.g. one requirement of an iso-6425 watch is that it must be tested at its rated water resistance*1.25. Water resistance, by default, are batch tested. This is one reason why you hear stories about non iso-rated watches that get water damage despite being new and rated at 200 m, especially made-in-china micro-brands.
New Suscriber and French here. You pronounced "contôle Officiel Suisse des Chronomètres" very well. Good accent, And very good chanel. You made me love watches even more. keep the good work
I have a couple of Oris watches, the worst time keeper of the bunch is +5. Not one of them is "COSC" certified. I have an Orient Ray II that is -1 per day. I had a COSC certified Omega (that i loved!!) that i had nothing but trouble with it keeping time(3 trips to Switzerland for my watch). There are some great watches that aren't certified and some dogs that are and quartz BLOWS them all away. Buy what you like keep what you love and damn the rest... and Steinhart makes a great watch (controversy!!!)
I think these labels matter to a point. For instance, if I buy a $50 g-shock, I’m not going to care if it has the label. It’s a $50 watch people. However, if I’m buying a Rolex and dropping $6000 on like an air king, you better believe I want that label. If I’m dropping that kind of money I’m not going to just take the manufacturer’s word on it. Just my 2 cents though
I don’t own any COSC certified watches. Would I like to: hell yeah! I do have a collection of watches that allows me to enjoy and affordable watches and also have an appreciation for luxury timepieces. I say if you can afford it, why not grab one?
I'm sorry, did you say my watch was hot and had a nice COSC? It does have a big screw-down crown! But seriously, it would be great if you'd outline some of the relevant details about how watch movement designers & watchmakers make and adjust their watches to stay within COSC standards until the parts get too worn down that they need to be replaced. Also, it would be great if you could explain the most common ways of how watches actually get out of adjustment when it comes to some of the most popular movements in the mid and upper-range watches.
MAPQUEST... LMAO. I have two chronometers. Realistically (in my daily life), the fact they are chronometers doesn't really matter. Kind of like with sports cars, it's a cool spec to talk about with other nerds.
In a 5-day workweek I wear 5 different watches. Each needs to be wound and set prior to wearing it for the day. I don't really care if it is 1sec short or 40sec short by the end of the day since it won't get "wrist time" for another week.
Three ship officers would "shoot the sun" using sextants at noon and determine to the best of their ability the exact moment the sun reaches it's zenith then independently record the time then they compute for the average. If, for example, they record exactly 1pm then they would know they are exactly 1000 nautical miles or 15 degrees west of the prime meridian. That is why it was crucial to have an accurate timepiece. Ten seconds off each day would translate to more than an 80 nautical mile error over a month.
Is it true that cosc only certifies swiss brands? Because seiko destroyed them in the swiss chronometer competition in the late 60s. They shamelessly used a quartz just to stop seiko from totally annihilating them only to be crushed again totally by seiko astron.
I wear a chronometer and over the past four days (I'm testing its accuracy), I have lost a total of four seconds. That means my watch loses 6 minutes and 5 seconds every year. I think I can handle that. It's WAY more accurate than the Seiko NH35A that it replaced. WATCH MAKE AND MODEL: Tissot Seastar 2000 Professional Movement: ETA Powermatic 80
MapQuest still exists. Now it is also an app that has turn by turn directions and does recalculate “on-the-fly”! It’s not your father’s MapQuest!😆. IMHO, COSC certification definitely matters!
Unfun fact: Back in the 18th century, since chronometers required extremely precise gears and there was not much advanced machinery to manufacture the parts required, children were usually hired to help carve out the gears, thanks to their tiny hands being able to produce parts with painstaking precision
While I won't pay more for COSC, I get the point. However, my Orient Ray II Raven has been averaging less than +3spd right out of the box. The point of COSC was to ensure quality. At this point, nearly every decent manufacturer makes a watch close, if not equal to, COSC certification.
@@nukadog1969 It's all about where one cuts costs. Seiko watches look better but Orients have better specs. Seiko makes the better dials and better looking movements, but uses inferior materials and doesn't regulate the watches as well. Orient dials usually don't look as good at the same price point and their movements may be the ugliest in the market, but those watches use better materials and are better regulated.
@@hasininan5501 I'm aware of the differences. And we can agree to disagree on several points. For me, there are Seikos in my future, but for a neophyte looking to get into something good an value-oriented, I have to hand it to Orient.
@@nukadog1969 I am considering an Orient for my next purchase since I already have a Seiko. What are their best value offerings in your opinion? The Kamasu seems great. Also, I liked their GMT models but it's their GMT hand that can be adjusted in 1 hour increments, not the hour hand so it's not all that useful as a travel watch. Anything else you can suggest?
MapQuest made me amazing with direction. The car would be filled with old MapQuest pages. And you had to print with certain settings so it didn't waste paper and mom smack you for wasting ink and paper.
The elephant just off camera is the mechanical vs quartz issue. Even the most accurate mechanical watches perform at a level that would be disappointing in a $20 Casio.
Much like that 1730 chronometer I still like regular maps ... and if you "miss a direction" no problem just look at the map :) old school I know but hey it works and is fun.
Hey put a strap on that 1730 chronometer in the mahogany box and PRESTO you are back on wrist watch topic .. if a very heavy and cumbersome wrist watch.
I always thought a that to be a chronometer the watch had to beat at least 10 times per second and maintain it by the mentioned circumstances of temp and position etc, like the basic rule of thumb in measurement systems, that the measurement tool has preferably able to measure 1/10 of the intended measurement, like to measure a meter you'll have something that measures at least cm that way you'll know if its 0.9m or 1.1m. I mean, if the cert is not meant to assure you have a measuring tool... then why care for it LOL.
My watch is swiss made Cosc Certified and it's limited edition Tag Heuer Carrera Watch. I have a issue here I can't figure out how to use the chronograph or how to know the direction with the chronometer of this watch one more thing can you help me get the Tag heuer button seal to fix it's water resistant seal. I'll pay for that button just help me if you can jazakallah.
its nice to have a chronometre grade watch but i dont think it really matters. FP Journe doesnt certify nor does Patek anymore but we all know they are great watches that are regulated to standard without actually being certifed. as long as it runs close to it i dont think it matters. that said - having chronometre on the dial is nice
8:26 finally happened to hear the answer as I had just started looking for another video to tell me what a chronometer watch is... do something about that beard and your “jokes” if you don’t want this comment left
I have a mickey invicta automatic a tudor black bay 41 and a rolex explorer 2 new style a oyster perpetual a two tone submairener and a datejust and got to say the invicta with the myota movement is at the same level as all the rolex and the tudor for a non swiss movement non chronometer grade watch so I dont think it really matters
"No, I'm a horologist" "So was me mum, but she didn't go crying about it as loud as you." "You're saying your mother was acidemically inclined?" "More like horizontally reclined." "Horology is the study of time." "And she was always looking at her watch." Gotta love Pirates of the Caribbean
COSC testing is kinda disingenuous since non-swiss watches aren't allowed to be tested. For instance, grand seikos are regulated to a better spec than COSC. It's basically just a marketing gimmick.
COSC doesn't matter. The el-cheapo 7S26 in my SKX runs at +3 on the wrist. If you REALLY care about the second hand being bang-on, you shouldn't buy a mechanical watch at all. Something like a Grand Seiko quartz will be exponentially more accurate than any COSC certified mechanical. Mechanical watches are about enjoying the charm of a tiny wrist machine, and an ETA that runs at +10 has just as much charm as a Rolex 3135 chronometer.
Ah, looks like a Just One More Watch fan. You buy the Tevise? No, they are not the same - there's no such thing as a "perlative ceronometer". What you bought is a cheap homage trying it's damnedest to look like a true Subby, right down to the dial text. They just crammed some words that wouldn't get them sued onto the dial to make it match the Rolex.
T3 you friggin killed it. Hilarious, educational and well put together. Loved this episode! So glad you do what you do the way you do what you do
What you doo doo
Took nearly 10 minutes to get my answer. He’s more interested in being a ‘RUclipsr’ as opposed to getting you the information you need.
Well, you’re on RUclips now… Just if you didn’t know.
He’s dull, often procrastinates, tries too hard to be entertaining, ultimately increasing the cringe factor.
8:34
Skip to this part, all you need to know.
thank you for this
Lol, you called it. Nice!
Thank You! This Guy Started becoming annoying after 2 mins
@@Jadia09 I actually like T3, he is probably my favor watch youtuber. Probably the best to listen to when you speak over vintage watches.
I want my automatic watches to keep reasonable time, of course. But if accuracy was the most important issue, I'd wear quartz watches. I could not care less about chronometer certification. I enjoyed the video, though.
But if you enjoy automatic watches you must like your watch to be more precise and better engineered isn't that a part of it?
Oh lord Mapquest. I remember printing out Mapquest directions to get to all sorts of places in the early 2000s. Nostalgic
I've got a COSC chronometer from Mido (based on a 2824 movement), and it is insanely accurate (using Toolwatch for timing, I've never been more than +/- 2 seconds with it, and it's hit 0.0 several times). That being said, I have several watches that, on wrist at least, run in the -4/+6 range, and cost much less to buy (and, eventually, service, as one is an NH35, and one is a 9015). Does it matter? Well, it means that I might have to reset the time on the chronometer once a month, while I might reset the time on the accurate non-chronometers once every 3 weeks or so? And that's assuming I care about being a minute early or late by my watch.
The same I bought a Mido ocean star 600 Chronometer and it’s so Accurate it’s 0-1 + I never have to set the time after not wearing it it’s my 1st Mido let alone a chronometer watch I have like 10 watches and after having a non cosc watch I think you get what you pay for with that being said my next watch will be a chronometer.
THANK YOU for the educational part on why the chronometer was invented in the first place. I own both chronometer certified and non-certified watches. In terms of accuracy? Get a quartz watch if it matters to you. What the certification gets you is the consistency and resilience when it comes to time keeping, it does not mean it is always more accurate. Hell, some people have an skx running at +/- 0.0 spd but the question is how long it will hold that accuracy.
In order to get accuracy, it is dead simple, regulate it. But to get resilience, you need the quality and the precision, and the engineering to ensure that the watch will hold its accuracy in all conditions. I will say this, if you daily drive an automatic and travel to varying temperatures frequently, say a hot desert today and arctic the next and for the whole time? It is worth getting a chronometer certified one as it has been tested to work in such conditions. If not, don't be put off by a watch not being certified, and definitely don't be a snob just because you have one.
And if your life depends on dead accuracy and reliability? Get a DECENT HIGH QUALITY quartz piece.
1. Super informative! I didn’t know anything about the actual marine chronometer.
2. Yes, Chronometer testing definitely matters. Watchfinder did a cool bit about that a few times.
3. Marketing is totally a part of it it, but at the same time that shouldn’t cheapen the value of the certification.
Awesome video, Jory! Thanks
Proud of you for getting through that mind-bender, Jory;) "Longitude" by David Sobel, about the invention of said Marine Chrono was pretty entertaining. Recommended.
I never really thought much about accuracy until I unknowingly got a watch with a high frequency quartz movement. I set it, wore it a bit then moved on to some mechanical watches and eventually cycled my way through my collection back to it, only to realize it was still spot on to the second correct months later.
Was briefly super interested in adding more yet ended up shifting focus back and now it's my goto precision watch (it's also a moonphase chronograph) that I can potentially set my others to when I don't want to go load up a website.
As for chronometers, accuracy is nice, but I hear lots of non-certified movements can be just as accurate and even have a basic ETA that was pretty consistent. That doesn't mean I'm against them, but it's not something I just have to have either. A couple of my watches don't even have visible second hands, so, except for the handful of tasks that require spot on timing, it's generally not that big a deal to me.
Always in a good mood when I'm learning something from T3!
Good episode! I just thought I would give my opinion about your question, NO it doesn't matter because if I need a really accurate watch I use a quartz watch. I don't see a point in paying for their selling point.
Can anyone recommend a channel that straight out gets to the point and educates?
OK, Jory, you'll love this...because I have two COSC Chronometers (Mido Ocean Star 600 and Formex Reef), and my PADI Turtle usually keeps better time than both of them:) I definitely value the COSC certification just because there's so much smoke and mirrors around what grade of movements various brands use, and what accuracy to realistically expect beyond factory specs. That said, I'm an even bigger fan of brands like LIV which will just say their automatics are adjusted to +/-5 seconds and they'll stand behind that with two years of warranty! I really wish more brands would just do that, because to me, it's the best of both worlds.
Fantastic video! Great summary of the history and clear breakdown of the metrics used to certify chronometer watches.
Great video!!! I'd love to have a chronometer certified watch. Or at least one that I can rely on without having to change the time every 2 weeks. My Orient Mako 2 USA is within manufacturer specs but gets 5 minutes fast every 2-3 weeks. I still like it, but would love an automatic watch that I don't need to worry about setting the time.
Great answer once we FINALLY got to it. Like 4 times, I forgot why I was watching this video and was lost in the attempts at humor. Very informative, very knowledgeable. Way to long, in my opinion, or I would watch more videos.
I remember the HELL out of MapQuest.
When it comes to COSC certification, I think that a good way to look at it is as some would view ISO standards compliance. Personally, I don't care about ISO compliance in a dive watch - I took my Orient Ray II swimming plenty this summer, and were I a proper diver, not only would I entrust my life to proper modern dive gear, but I'd have no issue bringing along my Ray just for fun. Speaking of my Ray, it has never run outside of -2s/+1s per day. That's within Rolex standards. I have a watch with a Seiko movement that run very consistently at around +3s/+4s per day. I don't want to say there is a degree of superficiality to such things as ISO standards and COSC certifications, because there isn't. A watch compliant with ISO standards is a tough chunk of wrist candy, and a watch with a COSC certifications is a damn accurate watch that is guaranteed to be accurate in a multitude of conditions. Some people will live and die by these ISO and COSC labels, but I think that's foolish. One should be able to acknowledge the merit such labels grant a watch without viewing such things as the be-all-end-all of watches worth one's money.
I remember opening an atlas and finding your state and follow their map.
Good explanation of the marine chronometer. The one I used was built as you described. It was important to shoot the sun or stars with an accurate time. A few seconds could place you miles off your course. It was key wound every afternoon and synched with the US Atomic clock, every midnight.
John Harrison, longitude calculating legend.
Two things:
1st.
Back in the 90's, TNT produced a very good film about Harrison and his son decades long quest to develop the chronometer.
Oddly enough, it was called 'Longitude'.
2nd.
I would GREATLY appreciate an explanation of the meaning of "different positions" in the testing of watched for COSC certification.
Thanks ;)
The "whoosh... whoosh" when Jory brushed his hair had me rollin'. Cheers to your cheeky editors!
Keep up the great work, T3!
Interesting because a certified Chronometer needs to meet strict accuracy parameters within various stringent operating conditions...something an Atomic GPS G-Shock is unbeatable at. That's the real question.
If only Casio made a genuine Atomic G-Shock field watch
Yes it is very important, my watch is also meta certified, less than half a second per day, Omega and Rolex, along with other alpha brands watches are always attempting the high degree of accuracy and reliability, it’s an art.
Your humour really tickles my funny bone some times.... this was a good episode.
I do have a chronometer certified watch, a C60 Trident Ombre LE and is losing a second a day and coming from having radio controlled or satellite watches for the last 5 years I can tell you that makes a big difference when the watch is losing a second during 24 hours compared with a watch which is losing or gaining more than 10 seconds a day, (decent also for a mechanical watch.... ) therefore I would go for a chronometer watch anytime as I don’t like to have to adjust it every single day....
Awesome video! Royal Canadian Navy warships still carry marine chronometers for navigation.
If I was a 1 watch kinda guy, I would like for it to be COSC certified, but seeing its rare for me to wear the same watch for a 3rd day in a row, I don't see where the added expense would do me any good.
Sure there's a lot of good info in this video. But the #1 reason I liked it? The Age of Empires II ship launching sound
I love your enthusiasm Bro !
My Hamilton Khaki Field Titanium with the H-10 movement is consistently 1 sec. fast in 24 hrs. Good enough for me.
COSC, and ISO such as 6425, matter a lot. They indicate either the manufacturer's mastery of machining tolerances if product rejection is low, or the manufacturer's commitment to high quality control. e.g. one requirement of an iso-6425 watch is that it must be tested at its rated water resistance*1.25. Water resistance, by default, are batch tested. This is one reason why you hear stories about non iso-rated watches that get water damage despite being new and rated at 200 m, especially made-in-china micro-brands.
Thanks for the video and can you compare a chronometer, an automatic and a quartz wach for a 48 hour?
New Suscriber and French here. You pronounced "contôle Officiel Suisse des Chronomètres" very well. Good accent, And very good chanel. You made me love watches even more. keep the good work
Thanks it was helpful to understand what a chronometer watch is.Great .
I have a couple of Oris watches, the worst time keeper of the bunch is +5. Not one of them is "COSC" certified. I have an Orient Ray II that is -1 per day. I had a COSC certified Omega (that i loved!!) that i had nothing but trouble with it keeping time(3 trips to Switzerland for my watch). There are some great watches that aren't certified and some dogs that are and quartz BLOWS them all away. Buy what you like keep what you love and damn the rest... and Steinhart makes a great watch (controversy!!!)
I think these labels matter to a point. For instance, if I buy a $50 g-shock, I’m not going to care if it has the label. It’s a $50 watch people. However, if I’m buying a Rolex and dropping $6000 on like an air king, you better believe I want that label. If I’m dropping that kind of money I’m not going to just take the manufacturer’s word on it. Just my 2 cents though
8:23 is when he starts to tell you what a chronometer is . . . I know right, I be like ''WHAT! WHAT THE FUCK!''.
Yes they do matter!
T3
Should i buy a Mido watch cosc certified i think the commander is a chronometer
Or should i have a longines heritage ? That would you pick ?
I don’t own any COSC certified watches.
Would I like to: hell yeah!
I do have a collection of watches that allows me to enjoy and affordable watches and also have an appreciation for luxury timepieces.
I say if you can afford it, why not grab one?
T3 dropping knowledge ! 🎙
I'm sorry, did you say my watch was hot and had a nice COSC? It does have a big screw-down crown! But seriously, it would be great if you'd outline some of the relevant details about how watch movement designers & watchmakers make and adjust their watches to stay within COSC standards until the parts get too worn down that they need to be replaced. Also, it would be great if you could explain the most common ways of how watches actually get out of adjustment when it comes to some of the most popular movements in the mid and upper-range watches.
I've got a Tudor black bay 58 it's the only chronometer I have and I didnt know what a chronometer was till now lol
MAPQUEST... LMAO. I have two chronometers. Realistically (in my daily life), the fact they are chronometers doesn't really matter. Kind of like with sports cars, it's a cool spec to talk about with other nerds.
In a 5-day workweek I wear 5 different watches. Each needs to be wound and set prior to wearing it for the day. I don't really care if it is 1sec short or 40sec short by the end of the day since it won't get "wrist time" for another week.
MapQuest with a dot matrix printer FTW!
Well, I'm so old...I've actually use a map! In paper!
Jory you have multiple rolexes but couldn’t afford a Tom Tom before google maps came out...
Three ship officers would "shoot the sun" using sextants at noon and determine to the best of their ability the exact moment the sun reaches it's zenith then independently record the time then they compute for the average. If, for example, they record exactly 1pm then they would know they are exactly 1000 nautical miles or 15 degrees west of the prime meridian. That is why it was crucial to have an accurate timepiece. Ten seconds off each day would translate to more than an 80 nautical mile error over a month.
Just ordered and got a Resco
Jory goodman is " The man " . period .
Way, way, way back in time... I thought you were going to the Summerians....turns out it's just a couple of hundred years ago.
I have a Omega Constellation that is Chronometer certified. I got it for the tuning fork, not the certification.
Is it true that cosc only certifies swiss brands? Because seiko destroyed them in the swiss chronometer competition in the late 60s. They shamelessly used a quartz just to stop seiko from totally annihilating them only to be crushed again totally by seiko astron.
Camera is not level but still a good entertaining vlog!!
Thank you,
Cesar
I remember mapquest. and i did that and printed And got lost anyway
Chronometer used for measuring time or
Longitude....?? Please make it clear for me
Do I appreciate mechanical timepieces? Yes. Do I appreciate accurate mechanical timepieces? A resounding YES.
I wear a chronometer and over the past four days (I'm testing its accuracy), I have lost a total of four seconds. That means my watch loses 6 minutes and 5 seconds every year. I think I can handle that. It's WAY more accurate than the Seiko NH35A that it replaced.
WATCH MAKE AND MODEL: Tissot Seastar 2000 Professional
Movement: ETA Powermatic 80
One word, just one word, quartz. Dava Sobel’s longitude May be of interest to oat horologisti .
Hi Walt , i have a COSC quartz which is ssssuper accurate, 10 secs a year !
MapQuest still exists. Now it is also an app that has turn by turn directions and does recalculate “on-the-fly”! It’s not your father’s MapQuest!😆. IMHO, COSC certification definitely matters!
I have two watches both are chronometers Rolex Day Date and Omega Seamaster professional 300 Co-Axial
Unfun fact: Back in the 18th century, since chronometers required extremely precise gears and there was not much advanced machinery to manufacture the parts required, children were usually hired to help carve out the gears, thanks to their tiny hands being able to produce parts with painstaking precision
Educational and entertaining, thank you for another excellent video Jory :)
While I won't pay more for COSC, I get the point. However, my Orient Ray II Raven has been averaging less than +3spd right out of the box. The point of COSC was to ensure quality. At this point, nearly every decent manufacturer makes a watch close, if not equal to, COSC certification.
Except entry level Seiko
@@hasininan5501 Yeah...interesting that, huh? Their sibling group manages what the older sibling doesn't...
@@nukadog1969 It's all about where one cuts costs. Seiko watches look better but Orients have better specs. Seiko makes the better dials and better looking movements, but uses inferior materials and doesn't regulate the watches as well. Orient dials usually don't look as good at the same price point and their movements may be the ugliest in the market, but those watches use better materials and are better regulated.
@@hasininan5501 I'm aware of the differences. And we can agree to disagree on several points. For me, there are Seikos in my future, but for a neophyte looking to get into something good an value-oriented, I have to hand it to Orient.
@@nukadog1969 I am considering an Orient for my next purchase since I already have a Seiko. What are their best value offerings in your opinion? The Kamasu seems great. Also, I liked their GMT models but it's their GMT hand that can be adjusted in 1 hour increments, not the hour hand so it's not all that useful as a travel watch. Anything else you can suggest?
I love the history! Thanks for the great content!
MapQuest made me amazing with direction. The car would be filled with old MapQuest pages. And you had to print with certain settings so it didn't waste paper and mom smack you for wasting ink and paper.
Great video! But you should be asking the audience “Do you even lift bro?”
People who don't own chronometers be all like 'iTs jUsT MArKeTiNg'
The elephant just off camera is the mechanical vs quartz issue. Even the most accurate mechanical watches perform at a level that would be disappointing in a $20 Casio.
Much like that 1730 chronometer I still like regular maps ... and if you "miss a direction" no problem just look at the map :) old school I know but hey it works and is fun.
Very helpful
Hey put a strap on that 1730 chronometer in the mahogany box and PRESTO you are back on wrist watch topic .. if a very heavy and cumbersome wrist watch.
Is Hot horology is the website with the Ulysee Nardin pixelated watches you had an episode on?
Starting 6 minutes of the video you can write in discription, move forward and save time.
Would every quartz watch ever pass the certification easy? Yeah. Just marketing bullshit so Rolex's can sell for 2000% the production cost.
I always thought a that to be a chronometer the watch had to beat at least 10 times per second and maintain it by the mentioned circumstances of temp and position etc, like the basic rule of thumb in measurement systems, that the measurement tool has preferably able to measure 1/10 of the intended measurement, like to measure a meter you'll have something that measures at least cm that way you'll know if its 0.9m or 1.1m. I mean, if the cert is not meant to assure you have a measuring tool... then why care for it LOL.
My watch is swiss made Cosc Certified and it's limited edition Tag Heuer Carrera Watch.
I have a issue here I can't figure out how to use the chronograph or how to know the direction with the chronometer of this watch one more thing can you help me get the Tag heuer button seal to fix it's water resistant seal.
I'll pay for that button just help me if you can jazakallah.
05:25 leaved port? ... Left?
its nice to have a chronometre grade watch but i dont think it really matters. FP Journe doesnt certify nor does Patek anymore but we all know they are great watches that are regulated to standard without actually being certifed. as long as it runs close to it i dont think it matters. that said - having chronometre on the dial is nice
8:26 finally happened to hear the answer as I had just started looking for another video to tell me what a chronometer watch is... do something about that beard and your “jokes” if you don’t want this comment left
How come you never add a vintage 40mm watch? I love the watches you have had in your shop but they were all too small for me.
Only about 5% of vintage watches were anywhere near 40mm. 😂😂😂😂
@@thetimeteller well it seems I am in need of the 5 percent
nikhil sinha nice! I wish you luck on your search.
@@thetimeteller if I find more than one I'll donate to you so others may not have to go on this search
Before it ''leaved'' port! Left is past tense.
I’m pretty sure I meant “before it LEAVES port” 🤷🏻♂️
Thanks for bringing attention to the fact that I am human! 😂
@@thetimeteller It's just because I'm an English teacher lol! I forgot to say how much I enjoy your channel bro!
I have a mickey invicta automatic a tudor black bay 41 and a rolex explorer 2 new style a oyster perpetual a two tone submairener and a datejust and got to say the invicta with the myota movement is at the same level as all the rolex and the tudor for a non swiss movement non chronometer grade watch so I dont think it really matters
I wonder if a g shock dw5600 is a chronometer cause it’s only 45 bucks
Woohaaa..... Now I knew the purpose of that word written in my Rolex
Hot Whorology! It has wood? Different positions!
Damn this is the friggin Kama Sutra of watch vlogs.
"No, I'm a horologist"
"So was me mum, but she didn't go crying about it as loud as you."
"You're saying your mother was acidemically inclined?"
"More like horizontally reclined."
"Horology is the study of time."
"And she was always looking at her watch."
Gotta love Pirates of the Caribbean
So, are all quartz watches automatically chronometers?
Technically yes I suppose
Dang, would love to own that 1700s chronometer
Good video
COSC testing is kinda disingenuous since non-swiss watches aren't allowed to be tested. For instance, grand seikos are regulated to a better spec than COSC. It's basically just a marketing gimmick.
No I don’t care: my Sinn 104 doesn’t have COSC certification but runs at +-0 seconds a day
The Rolex superlative chronometer is a joke ! Rolex keeps the Results secret.
The chronometer did not calculate. It provided data so men could do the calculations.
Hey Jory,
Does COSC certify Quartz Watches?
Bernie Yes
To pass, I believe a quartz movement has to to accurate to +/- 0.07 secs per day.
COSC doesn't matter. The el-cheapo 7S26 in my SKX runs at +3 on the wrist. If you REALLY care about the second hand being bang-on, you shouldn't buy a mechanical watch at all. Something like a Grand Seiko quartz will be exponentially more accurate than any COSC certified mechanical. Mechanical watches are about enjoying the charm of a tiny wrist machine, and an ETA that runs at +10 has just as much charm as a Rolex 3135 chronometer.
HAUTEHORLOGERIE.......HAUTE HORLOGERIE....now how do u pronounce the last word exactly again..? horology or hor-lo-ge-rie..?? lol....:)
I bought one from AliExpress, the dial is written “ Ceronometer” is this have the same meaning??
Cerotoinly.
Ah, looks like a Just One More Watch fan. You buy the Tevise? No, they are not the same - there's no such thing as a "perlative ceronometer". What you bought is a cheap homage trying it's damnedest to look like a true Subby, right down to the dial text. They just crammed some words that wouldn't get them sued onto the dial to make it match the Rolex.
touch my lucas hahaha but the are super cheap
My watch is my android phone certified (mapc) :-) thanks