As a RUclips that deals a lot with those Chinese watches (my channel was formerly known as My Chinese Watch Collection) I agree with every word you said. The hate, the QC issues, all of it. But there is just so much value in some of the watches coming from China these days, it's a shame to miss out on that market. And my Seagull 1963 is my favorite watch in my collection, Chinese or not. And I got it new for under $150.
My Affordable Watch Collection - True Words. Where I grew up in the '70's , the term 'Jap Crap' was ubiquitous. It referred to all the cheap Japanese imports - from toys to cars. Now 'Made in Japan ' carries some caché. Is China the new Jap Crap'? I think so...
Awesome knowing that your birthday is in June because mine is also (June 30). I have a Seagull watch as well, it's not the model you have though. I love your channel, it's very informative and I get to see a lot of watches with a different perspective. When it comes to watch conversations, I advise people to wear what you love and love what you wear!
Anthony Smith it’s not only in the watch world, either. The budget knife market has exploded in just the past couple of years with tons of high quality stuff coming out of China. It’s really pretty similar to, say, how people are starting to take notice of all the materials and features these Chinese brands can offer at the price and wondering why Seiko still acts as if sapphire is an luxury feature, for example.
I have a Rolex Oyster Datejust and a Seagull 1963. The only advantage of the Rolex is that people will pay crazy prices for the Rolex. Otherwise, the Seagull is pretty much just as accurate and reliable.
I have a Lilienthal-berlin Zeitgeist Automatik, which I purchased second hand from someone who got it as a gift, and is not a watch person. I paid a fraction of the cost, I will put the accuracy of that watch against anything anybody makes, it is impressively accurate.
The ST1901 movement is not as nicely finished, but it's only a tiny fraction of the price of a Swiss movement and it keeps the time accurately. And it's really nice to look at, too, as long as you're not looking at it under a microscope. I'm quite happy with my Seagull 1963. It gets a lot of wrist time. And I do own a bunch of Omegas and other Swiss made watches.
I have more watches than is rational from Chinese to Swiss and, as long as you buy from better brands, the Chinese pieces will go Toe to Toe, with Swiss pieces at 10x the price. Now, the Chinese do need to up their movement game and then it's not even close. A San Martin with a St2130 would beat any Swiss watch under 5k.
I have a Seagull1963 Icon and it is superb in every way. I wear it more than my Swiss watches. If the Seagull was finished a little nicer, it would be better than Rolex or Omega. Just my humble opinion.
im temped to buy something like this www.wish.com/product/5d77884e08b8bc412ef5ed4e?hide_login_modal=true&from_ad=goog_shopping&_display_country_code=NL&_force_currency_code=EUR&pid=googleadwords_int&c=%7BcampaignId%7D&ad_cid=5d77884e08b8bc412ef5ed4e&ad_cc=NL&ad_lang=NL&ad_curr=EUR&ad_price=57.00&campaign_id=8704015860&retargeting=true&gclid=CjwKCAjw_-D3BRBIEiwAjVMy7Ipf17pCKTg1pVU2L-aq8IIKaXOMJ-9dFkz0nLXuwTxfEKsd3ft6-BoC2YcQAvD_BwE&share=web but it looks to good for the money important thing is i want the buttons to actually work.
I bought an Addiesdive Tuna homage. It has a Seiko Nh35a movement. The loom is outstanding. It gains about 5 seconds a day. Not too shabby and really well made watch
Nicely said Jory . I dont see many people complain about their Chinese made iPhones. Ignorant people . Thank you for the vids informative and good fun . Congratulations on the gains in viewers. :)
I worry when I see the Seagull 1963 recommended. Nothing wrong with the watch mind you but in a few years the cost of repair/servicing is going to be over twice what was paid for the watch. Be warned.
I've had a Seagull 1963 for over 6 months and it's great. My friend who's a watch guy, likes it after seeing it and trying it. It's not all about the cost as real watch nut like me knows. I wear the 1963 and then the next day wear the Day-Date. It's fine they're both top notch.
60% of the components for the swiss watch industry are made in china. The same factory that produced that Chinese chrono watch most likely makes parts for your favorite swiss brand. But they don;t tell you that. They show you the picture of the old swiss watchmaker and most of you are happy :)
Swiss watches are better because they use Swiss engineered movements rather than Chinese knockoff movements. You are using the no true Scottsman fallacy. Here is what I mean. Lets say Tesla uses a steering column made in China. Does that make a China made EV equivalent to a Tesla? Of course not. By the way, China mftrs are not interested in making heirloom quality watches that last a lifetime, so if durability is important to you, buy Swiss or Japanese.
I own the same Seagull 1963 watch. What a watch for $375.00! Yeah I realize the screws are painted blue and not cured, yeah the decoration is not what you would get in a GENUINE Swiss for WAY more money, but look at the movement! Column wheel! works as smooth as butter. And it keeps better time than most of my "Swiss" watches! I own Rolexes, Breitlings, Ulysse Nardin, etc. But this watch is just amazing for the price! Good job Time Teller sticking up for watches that are made well no matter WHERE they come from! If you love watches, you love watches. Not just name brands but watches that are designed and made well with thought behind them no matter where they come from.
If the screws not being heat blued bothers anyone ......remove em one at a time .. after replacing the one u just took out...n heat the screw up with a propane torch until near glowing then.pick it up with pliers n drop it in oil of any kind...you'll have naturally hardened n blued screws... And they will be done the ol fashioned way....lmao...I'm kidding ..don't ever take screws out of your movement...though u can ask your watch maker too do it when servicing the watch...peace
I love my Cadisen with Seiko movement inside. Looses just a few seconds a day and works perfectly fine. Craftsmanship is also on a high level, no flaws or badly placed indexes whatsoever
Firstly, congratulations on almost reaching the 100k mark! I've never owned a Seagull 1963, but it definitely opened me up a whole new genre of wristwatches. I subsequently did buy an Atelier Wen Odyssey Hao (which is absolutely gorgeous), and hopefully will be able to acquire a Ming 17.01 sometime in the future. For those of you that have been conflicted by stigmatized opinions, you may just be missing out on enjoying some really good timepieces.
Mines a bit shitty . Gains 8 seconds a day, the chrono minutes hand is bent. And the lumed one has a communist hammer and sickle on the chrono seconds hand. A star is one thing but hammer and sickle is about 80 million dead too far. I won't wear it, its going back.
The 1963 is actually a swiss-made movement by Venus (Venus 175). They bought the rights and added two more jewels and that's about it. It's a Chinese case with a swiss movement.
The Seagull ST1901 Movement is an absolute monster when it comes to quality. my 1963 runs with less than 3 sec/day on average. This was the pilot chronograph for the chinese military, and still people think the military would have giveen their pilots garbage watches...
@@vertugallery7099 The movement is still made by the same company Sea-Gull. However, my understanding is that the QC they are applying can vary greatly depending on who they are selling to. Anyway, I believe Blackout's point is that it is a good design.
@@vertugallery7099 Well, the Sea-Gull company (or its legal predecessor) bought the movement from Venus, including the machines which made it. As I understand it, the original 1963 movements were made in China (not Switzerland), with these machines.
I literally just bought the Seagull 1963 fifteen minutes before this video came out! I saw the title and got scared that T3 changed his mind on it, but I'm glad he still likes it!
I wasn't looking for validation, I was worried that his ended up having mechanical or quality control issues that caused it to not hold up. I can also value other people's opinions who have more experience than me without blindly following them.
I have Swiss, Japanese and Chinese watches. I just got a Chinese bronze watch that is outstanding. There are some good Chinese Microbrands ;). San Martin, Cronos, Heimdallr and others.
Just as the AliExpress sale was ending, I was deciding between a Seagull 1963 Reissue or a CIGA Design Z. I went with the CIGA Design Z watch. Gotta love that RM style skeleton watch for under 150 USD!
The additional improvement to tighten regulation is called the swan neck and was introduced in some of the Seagull ST21 and other Seagull movements, that improved more precise regulation of the balance staff.
Jori, I enjoy all of your videos for several reasons - most of all because of your authenticity! In this particular video, as I'm sure you know, the 1963 Seagul movement is steeped in Swiss heritage! And the Swiss seem to know how to build a movement. Just sayennnnnnn.... Thanks for all your great work!
I bought the Seagull 1963 a few weeks ago and payed 215€ for it on Amazon and i love it, Chinese watches have a bad rep yes but Seagull and Fossiel produce pretty good watches and i don't care what other ppl think about it, i love it :P
Two months ago I bought a Mido Multifort that fell apart the same day I received it. The entire internal mechanism was broken. Similar experiences have occurred to me with Tissot and Alpina.
Nice video & info. I appreciate your honesty & straight-forwardness. If people don't like what you shared in this episode, then they can swing on the sack, bro! Continued success, my friend!!
You really got me into vintage seiko and other brands I never considered. I just bought a Brew watch, and I hope to buy an Autodromo before the end of the year.
As a Chinese viewer of yours, I think you made a very fair comment on Chinese watches, people should know what they're getting into, do their research, judge watches based on the watch themselves, don't expect to get $20,000 quality out of a $200 Chinese watch or anywhere else in the world, also if you only have $20, Chinese watch is the only option you could even possibly buy a watch for $20, don't take it for granted. Sea-gull is a very honorable and wellpriced Chinese watch brand, good to know there's people appreciating it from overseas, good work as always
Recently got a 1963 with the swan neck regulator. Out of the box, I am amazed how accurate this watch has kept time being fast only by 4 secs over 24 hours. Honestly had couple of Omegas that were 4 to 5 secs faster in a day. Seems like I got lucky or Seagull really does a good QC job.
The quality of products out of China vary widely. There are some world-class manufacturers there. Experts like you can help us a lot by sorting out the wheat from the chaff
I must say, I own two Japanese watches an Orient Kamasu & The Seiko 5 Sport SNZH60K1. I just bought a chinese watch, The Jinshidun 8718 all Gold champagne dial Automatic 24 hr sun dial watch for under $100 and I absolutely love it. It keeps better time than my Seiko SNZH60. And I must say it's beautiful. Not only that, it's no longer available. So I have a rare watch.
Up to the 1970s, Japanese products were considered cheap and nasty. Most were just knock-offs of Western products. I can still remember the Datsun 120Y (old name of Nissan), its body panels were so thin, you could dent it by just pushing it with your finger! And it was so light, it drove like it was floating on the road. However, the Japanese went on a quality drive when they realised quality mattered. Nowadays, most people equate Japanese products as of high quality and reliable (especially for Japanese cars). In fact, I still remember the Japanese bashing that was prevalent in the USA during the 1980s, similar to the Chinese bashing now. China products are at the same stage Japanese products were during the 1970s. They have started to improve their products and still able to sell it cheaper than many Western counterparts. Give them another decade or so, and they will be able to produce high quality products which are reliable and probably still cheaper than their counterparts. In fact, you only have to look at mobile phones and see that the majority are now designed and built in China. Huawei being a prime example. Oh, and Apple products are all made in China.
I love the irony of people commenting on the "crapness" of Chinese-manufactured watches, whilst using their (probably) Chinese-manufactured phone/tablet/computer to do so. Whilst also ignoring the fact that premium, "serious" watch manufacturers like Rolex or Tudor have not been without their own quality control issues. Hell, even my Seamaster 300 isn't that consistent at time keeping, but I know that's a symptom of owning a mechanical watch. Sure, ignorance and perception plays a huge part in some people's comments, but...like, reading and some basic research is a pretty good cure for this, and we're all capable of that, right? Love the video Jory. Thanks.
if you love watches, you love watches, period. watch snobs makes me laugh. been studying and collecting watches for over 20+ years. I take the time to learn and appreciate watches from everywhere. they are wonderful things... and fun!
I have a Guanqin homage of a Longine and it's ticking no problem, keeping time accurately and it was like U$48. There's this other from Pagani Design that has a VK67 movement and it's damn good. It was $51. Both Chinese, and both way better than more expensive counterparts.
Time teller does the narrative of describing the qualities that these Chinese watches offers, its good to try and experience Chinese timepieces, tried plenty of those, and they still work, their quality is good, and they are repairable as well, when you know to repair them. Replica watches are not fake, since they have permits to make the versions of the originals. As for parnis and some of the "Chinese brands" they are genuine Chinese brands, that makes them special, same thing with qualities when you bought swiss made or Japanese timepieces. Learn to appreciate versions of creativity in many parts of the world, sharing their best products produced. They are not cheap, they are for the "ables" regardless of their economic strata's they are at. Ciao, enjoy quality and quantity in many parts of the world. :)
I bought the cheapest Chinese watch I could find for about $1.20 (including shipping). It's an extremely basic looking watch and the strap as you can imagine is horrible. But you know what, the damn thing keeps the time. It's an accurate quartz movement inside and the second hand is properly aligned with the second markers. Yes, there's an audible tick with each passing second, but it's no louder than any of the more expensive quartz watches on the market and I love the simplicity and non existent branding on the dial. It's also extremely light from being so cheap, so easy to forget that it's even on the wrist. For $1.20 lol
It's quite a coincidence that today I'm wearing my Seagull 1963 chrono!! 😂 It's the 38mm, acrylic dome version. Just like the original from the 60's. This watch has such a rich history... It may be chinese, but has a lot of pedigree.
Christian Rodriguez - I chose the acrylic domed crystal over sapphire even though the cost was the same - for that exact reason; its heritage and to ensure that my watch was as close to the original issue as possible. I'm a bit of a fan of acrylic crystals.
Dude , all your videos are great & I really appreciate. All you've said have been well said & I totally agree with you. Nobody will want to grab your hand while you are walking on the street & see what watch you are wearing. We can only wear whatever pleases us & not others. People out there need to make some good research on Chinese Seagull watches history before making bad critics as honestly aside from owning some Swiss watches, I do also own some very & very good Chinese watches. Needless to say, most of the times, I find myself wearing many of my Chinese watches on a day to day basis & this has been going on for nearly 5 years now. They are damn good watches. After 5 years, till date, all my best Chinese watches are still working fine without any problem. Whatever my hard earned money can buy me is what pleases me & not what others think.
I bought the Seagull 1963 and it confirmed everything I thought I knew about Chinese quality control. It arrived broken. What DID surprise me was the relatively fast customer service, and the ease of the return process. Once this issue was sorted out, I've become a very pleased owner of a watch which is FAR more accurate than I expected, reliable, and looks great. Very pleased with the purchase, but it's not altered my opinion of Chinese quality control * or lack of it.
I’ve had one for years. It looks fantastic on a quality NATO strap. Brilliant movement, open back. Beautiful watch. True story, I went in two expensive watch shops at the weekend, security on the door and you have to be buzzed in expensive. Both remarked on my £300 watch, in one shop they took a photo of it. I didn’t buy anything, just looking. But man did I see a nice Omega Aqua Terra, small seconds. But £6300.00, I can’t bring myself to spend that, and you get 0% finance. I’ll buckle one day though. I crave a nice Omega.
There's not much coverage of Vintage Chinese mechanicals Jorie, and there's a fuck ton of deals there. Tons of great watches from the olden Chinese brands with history like Seagull, Beijing and Shanghai.
I love your channel it’s very helpful in my constant vigil for another watch on my wrist. I do have a suggestion. You have a really nice full beard I wish I could have one as full. But why don’t you keep it in trim it would look so much better. When someone first meets you a neat trimmed beard is their first impression of how you feel about yourself. You wouldn’t go out in public with an inside out shirt it’s the same with an untrimmed beard.
Indeed. My late 90s Casio MTD-1003 says Japan Mov't. My '70s Seiko SQ 4004 says Japan on the dial ... Japanese watches. But if it says Made in China on the back, as my modern Casios do, it's a Chinese watch.
Great summary, well done for not being prejudice....I've bought a few good watches like that by buying without looking at where they are from. Some chineese parts in them like Thomas Earnshaw. Thanks for this video cliff
Thanks for making another informative video! I asked a question during your Saturday live video,I know you get better questions than I asked. You answered my question with this video,thank you!
I'm currently trying to purchase my first Seagull 1963 but my research has shown that there are so many variations of it that I don't know what is real and what is not?? Anyone has any tips or links to provide to purchase an authentic Seagull I would be really appreciative
The Swiss watch industry has been sourcing parts from Hong Kong and mainland China for 60 years. Any 'Swiss Made' watch under $1000 is pretty much entirely Chinese. It's all 100% legal under Swiss law.
I have an Amazfit GTR by Zepp Health in Hegel, China. It is a smartwatch with a Li ion battery which stays charged for as long as 20 days. I really like the way it works, looks, and stands up to abuse. I like it much better than my over-complicated Apple Watch Ultra.
I have a boutique watch I bought off eBay for $100. There are maybe a few dozen in circulation. It was an amazing value. It has a sapphire crystal, stainless steel case with a PVC coating, screw down case and crown, and a military style dial. The Seiko NH38 movement is accurate to about 6 seconds per day.
Here some great brand name for Chinese Special 1. Seagull 2. Cadisen 3. San Martin 4. Starking 5. Pagani Design 6. Reef Tiger Always enjoy your channel...keep it up
I have a Disney watch. It’s a seagull. In my eyes it’s a really nice watch, I love being able to see the internals working, the subtle little Mickey Mouse thrown in is not easily noticed so it doesn’t scream Disney. It keeps time, really that’s all that matters.
Seiko is assembled in other countries though right? On most of their watches it says Japan movement. They simply say made in Japan unless it’s the higher end ones. There are a couple I was/am interested in that even list, Malaysian movement. Citizen is typically less made in Japan.
I'm on my 3rd Chinese watch. The Pagani dropped the ball in the lume department. I have no complaints re: the Sharkey (Heimdallr), and now the Gustav Becker (Sea-Gull). Search the forums, do you research, and buy with confidence.
I’ve recently started my own micro or better yet nano watch brand and I primarily use the Seagull movements. Some miyota and seiko too but the Chinese movements have been great and I can keep my watch price reasonable. And the beauty of some of the Chinese movements I use is they’re direct copies of ETA’s. So if a customer wants genuine Swiss I can easily use my dials and cases. I especially like the st19xx chronograph movements like in your review watch here. Love the channel.
Not true that Swiss watches have better quality control. Years ago, like more than 10 years ago, I bought an Omega Seamaster. Happy with the purchase, I wore it the next day to work. Colleagues at work asked to see the watch and one spotted that the second hand in the watch has a dent. I thought it was maybe a reflection of light to make it looked like a dent. But on closer inspection, it really was a dent. I brought the watch back to the authorized retailer of Omega watches and after 3 days they returned the watch back to me with a new 'seconds' needle. I thought how did this pass quality check?
Not that it matters where but, I’ve read that most of the G-shock watches are in fact made in Chinese and Thai factories but for premium lines like G-Shock MRG, MTG, there is a Yamagata factory in Japan.
I was just going to congratulate You for the 95k subscribers, didn't realize this was a older video! 250k? now? lol.. You thanked US for subscribing and helping You but You've been supplying us with Fantastic content dialed right in for us ('scuse the Pun) ..it's appreciated, Thanks Jory.
Great video, thanks again! I own a Red Star Mechanical Chrono and love it. For under $300 you can't go wrong. BTW the worst part of your video was having to watch a Vencero Watch commercial part way through. Congrats on 95K!!
Jory I've heard a lot of people saying that the official Seagull 1963 has mineral glass and all the others are fake or Frankensteins. Do you know if that's true?
The (modern) history of the Seagull 1963s is pretty long and confusing. There are a lot of different models. There are 38mm cases and 42mm cases. There are also some differences with the bezel heights in some models. There are some with display case backs and some with solids. To the best of my knowledge, seagull does not officially make the 1963 reissues anymore (www.sea-gullmall.com/). Although some middlemen who sell other legit seagulls are still selling them. For example, I have even seen a new 2020 edition (www.seagullcanada.com/products/seagull-1963-hand-wind-mechanical-chronograph-38mm-watch-re-issued-edition-d304b-with-series-number-on-case-back-total-650pcs?_pos=1&_sid=76aa5f549&_ss=r). Long story short, get what you like.
TwentySixAnd - That Limited Edition version is VERY interesting. Lume'd hands. Textured ring around the outer dial. Different text above the 6. Different font. It looks beautiful. My understanding is that the 1963 design has been made by a substantial Chinese watchmaker under license (using the SeaGull ST1901 movement ). This is how they ended up on Aliexpress for under $100USD recently. To your knowledge, is this correct?
@@anthonysmith2982 to be completely honest it has been some time since I did a deep dive. If I was to tell you details I couldn't give them with certainty. All I can say for sure is that their are so many out their with so many small variants that nobody, short of a handful of people in the whole world, could tell you how 'authentic' it is. I would probably spend more than 100$ if it was me though. Seems a little too good!
TwentySixAnd - Yeah! That's what I thought! In fact it was $90! ...with a khaki nato & (a pretty crappy) leather strap & a 2nd stainless steel embossed and printed case back (although they emailed me after I'd paid to tell me the 2nd case back would not be included). I bought it out of...morbid curiosity perhaps ? I was fully expecting it to be a 'fake' of dubious quality - & I could always give it to one of my daughters... It arrived much quicker than Aliexpress orders usually do. I buy straps from Aliex. They have some genuinely good leather for around $20-$25 BTW! Anyway. I compared it to my "genuine" 1963 - well at least one I've owned from new for maybe 8 years. They looked identical to me and I decided to take it to my watchmaker. He laughed at the price and said 'as far as I can tell it's genuine!' So I don't know what to make of it. It's obviously not made by SeaGull but it is definitely a genuine ST1901 movement. So...I don't really care who made it! It's extremely well made. They were all over Aliexpress - all for around $110 - $120 and then I got an email telling me that I had 24hrs to buy it at $88, so I did. Immediately. I'm honestly not sure whether to pinch myself or wait for it to explode! Either way. It spent a week on my wrist, ran like a champ and went back into the watch box. I think I might give it to the first person in the family who compliments me on it! So make of that what you will. I'm still a little bewildered . Cheers and stay well. Anthony.
China also has a bad rep for using slave labor like the Uighur Muslims, and prisoners of conscience Christians, and so forth. You just never know if an actual slave is making your watch.
I bought a Forsining for 100 AUD. Fabulous dial, reminding me of the Breitling I couldn't afford. Auto, self wind, day and date dials, moon phase. It's not a fake replica and it gives me so much satisfaction, I don't care that it's chinese.
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As a RUclips that deals a lot with those Chinese watches (my channel was formerly known as My Chinese Watch Collection) I agree with every word you said. The hate, the QC issues, all of it. But there is just so much value in some of the watches coming from China these days, it's a shame to miss out on that market.
And my Seagull 1963 is my favorite watch in my collection, Chinese or not. And I got it new for under $150.
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A tongji automatic that sells for $12 shipped is not a bad watch for the money, because what did you expect for $12?
My Affordable Watch Collection - True Words. Where I grew up in the '70's , the term 'Jap Crap' was ubiquitous. It referred to all the cheap Japanese imports - from toys to cars. Now 'Made in Japan ' carries some caché.
Is China the new Jap Crap'?
I think so...
Awesome knowing that your birthday is in June because mine is also (June 30). I have a Seagull watch as well, it's not the model you have though. I love your channel, it's very informative and I get to see a lot of watches with a different perspective. When it comes to watch conversations, I advise people to wear what you love and love what you wear!
Anthony Smith it’s not only in the watch world, either. The budget knife market has exploded in just the past couple of years with tons of high quality stuff coming out of China. It’s really pretty similar to, say, how people are starting to take notice of all the materials and features these Chinese brands can offer at the price and wondering why Seiko still acts as if sapphire is an luxury feature, for example.
I have a Rolex Oyster Datejust and a Seagull 1963. The only advantage of the Rolex is that people will pay crazy prices for the Rolex. Otherwise, the Seagull is pretty much just as accurate and reliable.
I have a Lilienthal-berlin Zeitgeist Automatik, which I purchased second hand from someone who got it as a gift, and is not a watch person. I paid a fraction of the cost, I will put the accuracy of that watch against anything anybody makes, it is impressively accurate.
The ST1901 movement is not as nicely finished, but it's only a tiny fraction of the price of a Swiss movement and it keeps the time accurately. And it's really nice to look at, too, as long as you're not looking at it under a microscope. I'm quite happy with my Seagull 1963. It gets a lot of wrist time. And I do own a bunch of Omegas and other Swiss made watches.
I have more watches than is rational from Chinese to Swiss and, as long as you buy from better brands, the Chinese pieces will go Toe to Toe, with Swiss pieces at 10x the price. Now, the Chinese do need to up their movement game and then it's not even close. A San Martin with a St2130 would beat any Swiss watch under 5k.
I have a Seagull1963 Icon and it is superb in every way. I wear it more than my Swiss watches. If the Seagull was finished a little nicer, it would be better than Rolex or Omega. Just my humble opinion.
I'm happy and satisfied with my $60 Guanqin dress watch. The longer I have it, the more I'm convinced I didn't waste my money.
John Christian De Guzman where did you buy it? Thanks
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@@cuestion-de-tiempo Gearbest.com has hundreds of this any many other brands of Chinese watches. They start a $2.00 a watch and go up.
im temped to buy something like this www.wish.com/product/5d77884e08b8bc412ef5ed4e?hide_login_modal=true&from_ad=goog_shopping&_display_country_code=NL&_force_currency_code=EUR&pid=googleadwords_int&c=%7BcampaignId%7D&ad_cid=5d77884e08b8bc412ef5ed4e&ad_cc=NL&ad_lang=NL&ad_curr=EUR&ad_price=57.00&campaign_id=8704015860&retargeting=true&gclid=CjwKCAjw_-D3BRBIEiwAjVMy7Ipf17pCKTg1pVU2L-aq8IIKaXOMJ-9dFkz0nLXuwTxfEKsd3ft6-BoC2YcQAvD_BwE&share=web but it looks to good for the money important thing is i want the buttons to actually work.
@@cliffordbunin3278 Stay away from wish!
Loving my Sea-Gull watches, one genuine, one Parnis, and a Timex diver with a power reserve ..
Timex is an american company(made in China).
I got a seiko tuna for my 14th birthday last November and my dad gave me a Submariner when I was 10 and had no watch knowledge
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I bought an Addiesdive Tuna homage. It has a Seiko Nh35a movement. The loom is outstanding. It gains about 5 seconds a day. Not too shabby and really well made watch
Nicely said Jory . I dont see many people complain about their Chinese made iPhones. Ignorant people . Thank you for the vids informative and good fun . Congratulations on the gains in viewers. :)
Big difference between making a phone that will need changing within a few years and a mechanical watch built to last a hundred years.
Agree to some extent. But they are backed up by IPhone quality and warranty. 10$ chinese quartz watch isn't.
So true. Most of the stuff they own is also made in China.
I worry when I see the Seagull 1963 recommended. Nothing wrong with the watch mind you but in a few years the cost of repair/servicing is going to be over twice what was paid for the watch. Be warned.
@Garnet Newton-Wade I keep seeing Warnings about that movement . I guess it's luck of the draw with that .
I've had a Seagull 1963 for over 6 months and it's great. My friend who's a watch guy, likes it after seeing it and trying it. It's not all about the cost as real watch nut like me knows. I wear the 1963 and then the next day wear the Day-Date. It's fine they're both top notch.
60% of the components for the swiss watch industry are made in china. The same factory that produced that Chinese chrono watch most likely makes parts for your favorite swiss brand. But they don;t tell you that. They show you the picture of the old swiss watchmaker and most of you are happy :)
Swiss watches are better because they use Swiss engineered movements rather than Chinese knockoff movements. You are using the no true Scottsman fallacy. Here is what I mean. Lets say Tesla uses a steering column made in China. Does that make a China made EV equivalent to a Tesla? Of course not.
By the way, China mftrs are not interested in making heirloom quality watches that last a lifetime, so if durability is important to you, buy Swiss or Japanese.
@@PETERJOHN101the expensive sea-gull watches that cost 500€+ have the same quality as the Japanese counterparts from seiko or citizen
*Sees the video.*
*Sees the date.*
*Hears reasonable arguments.*
I'm so confused right now.
I own the same Seagull 1963 watch. What a watch for $375.00! Yeah I realize the screws are painted blue and not cured, yeah the decoration is not what you would get in a GENUINE Swiss for WAY more money, but look at the movement! Column wheel! works as smooth as butter. And it keeps better time than most of my "Swiss" watches! I own Rolexes, Breitlings, Ulysse Nardin, etc. But this watch is just amazing for the price! Good job Time Teller sticking up for watches that are made well no matter WHERE they come from! If you love watches, you love watches. Not just name brands but watches that are designed and made well with thought behind them no matter where they come from.
If the screws not being heat blued bothers anyone ......remove em one at a time .. after replacing the one u just took out...n heat the screw up with a propane torch until near glowing then.pick it up with pliers n drop it in oil of any kind...you'll have naturally hardened n blued screws... And they will be done the ol fashioned way....lmao...I'm kidding ..don't ever take screws out of your movement...though u can ask your watch maker too do it when servicing the watch...peace
When you have a original sea-gull, then they are cured.
But they cost nearly 2x as much.
I love my Cadisen with Seiko movement inside. Looses just a few seconds a day and works perfectly fine. Craftsmanship is also on a high level, no flaws or badly placed indexes whatsoever
A "few" seconds a day is 24 min. a year. My old Eterna Matic lost 2 min. a year.🕧
@@bafattvahetere really tho?
Firstly, congratulations on almost reaching the 100k mark!
I've never owned a Seagull 1963, but it definitely opened me up a whole new genre of wristwatches. I subsequently did buy an Atelier Wen Odyssey Hao (which is absolutely gorgeous), and hopefully will be able to acquire a Ming 17.01 sometime in the future. For those of you that have been conflicted by stigmatized opinions, you may just be missing out on enjoying some really good timepieces.
Impressed with my Seagull 1963..decent quality, pretty accurate & ridiculously cheap. 👍🏻👍🏻
I got a Orient Maestro greenish blue dial for really cheap and it's the best automatic watch that I wear daily
The accuracy of this was a huge surprise to me. Have the Sugess version under $200
Mines a bit shitty . Gains 8 seconds a day, the chrono minutes hand is bent.
And the lumed one has a communist hammer and sickle on the chrono seconds hand.
A star is one thing but hammer and sickle is about 80 million dead too far.
I won't wear it, its going back.
The 1963 is actually a swiss-made movement by Venus (Venus 175). They bought the rights and added two more jewels and that's about it. It's a Chinese case with a swiss movement.
I think you mean Swiss designed. The movement is made in China.
The Seagull ST1901 Movement is an absolute monster when it comes to quality. my 1963 runs with less than 3 sec/day on average. This was the pilot chronograph for the chinese military, and still people think the military would have giveen their pilots garbage watches...
It is not the same watch or the same movement. It is a replica of the watch that was used by the Chinese military. Learn.
@@vertugallery7099 The movement is still made by the same company Sea-Gull. However, my understanding is that the QC they are applying can vary greatly depending on who they are selling to. Anyway, I believe Blackout's point is that it is a good design.
@@luke-alex My friend, the movement in the original of this watch was a Swiss Venus movement, used by Breitling etc.
@@vertugallery7099 Well, the Sea-Gull company (or its legal predecessor) bought the movement from Venus, including the machines which made it. As I understand it, the original 1963 movements were made in China (not Switzerland), with these machines.
@@luke-alex The modern movement is not the same quality; it is a totally different movement. Go do some more homework.
Very nice video! And I’m glad to see something great from my home town 天津. I bought one myself recently, can’t wait till I go back and pick that up.
I literally just bought the Seagull 1963 fifteen minutes before this video came out! I saw the title and got scared that T3 changed his mind on it, but I'm glad he still likes it!
You don't need validation from anyone to like anything
lmao you got scared? insecure much?
Did you go with the sapphire crystal variant?
I wasn't looking for validation, I was worried that his ended up having mechanical or quality control issues that caused it to not hold up. I can also value other people's opinions who have more experience than me without blindly following them.
@@discingaround yeah I decided to get the sapphire variant because I tend to accidentally slam my watches on door ways 😅
I'm watching this with a Seagull 1963 on my wrist. Super happy with it.
I’ve been eyeing the sea-gull 1963 for a while! Thanks for the vid!
I have Swiss, Japanese and Chinese watches. I just got a Chinese bronze watch that is outstanding. There are some good Chinese Microbrands ;). San Martin, Cronos, Heimdallr and others.
Ordered my Seagull 1963 two days ago from Aliexpress for $165. It is the 38mm sapphire glass model. Sorry folks, that sale ended at midnight!
You got taste👍
Just as the AliExpress sale was ending, I was deciding between a Seagull 1963 Reissue or a CIGA Design Z. I went with the CIGA Design Z watch. Gotta love that RM style skeleton watch for under 150 USD!
MY GOD my seagull 1963 is 12 months old today and as i watch this it is on my wrist and going perfectly 👍♥️👍
Watch & Unwind Happy birthday to your watch!
The additional improvement to tighten regulation is called the swan neck and was introduced in some of the Seagull ST21 and other Seagull movements, that improved more precise regulation of the balance staff.
Honestly I always visually liked this chrono dial!
Just ordered a Seagull 1963 for 90 bucks on Amazon. Been wanting a Seagull for years.
Jori, I enjoy all of your videos for several reasons - most of all because of your authenticity!
In this particular video, as I'm sure you know, the 1963 Seagul movement is steeped in Swiss heritage! And the Swiss seem to know how to build a movement. Just sayennnnnnn....
Thanks for all your great work!
Thank you for cranking out so many videos lately and also such good content! Keeping me going in this “shelter in place” time!
I bought the Seagull 1963 a few weeks ago and payed 215€ for it on Amazon and i love it, Chinese watches have a bad rep yes but Seagull and Fossiel produce pretty good watches and i don't care what other ppl think about it, i love it :P
It wasnt probably a seagull if you bought it on amazon.
I have Cadisen, also a Chinese Watch but has Seiko NH36a movement. Runs perfectly fine. ❤️
Such a nice video as always. This year I bought three chinese watches, two Pagani Design and one Parnis, and I really enjoy them!!!
Jory, well said. Do your research and choose wisely.
China deserves more credit, Starking changed my opinion about them. They do have some decent products from their region.
Do you support Chinese concentration camps too?
Two months ago I bought a Mido Multifort that fell apart the same day I received it. The entire internal mechanism was broken. Similar experiences have occurred to me with Tissot and Alpina.
If a watch is bad or broken, it's bad or broken regardless of country. G-Shocks are made in China and are tougher than 99% of other watches.
You can get a nice Seagull 1963 with a swanneck regulator for $200. They are very nice, reliable and accurate.
Nice video & info. I appreciate your honesty & straight-forwardness. If people don't like what you shared in this episode, then they can swing on the sack, bro! Continued success, my friend!!
You really got me into vintage seiko and other brands I never considered. I just bought a Brew watch, and I hope to buy an Autodromo before the end of the year.
As a Chinese viewer of yours, I think you made a very fair comment on Chinese watches, people should know what they're getting into, do their research, judge watches based on the watch themselves, don't expect to get $20,000 quality out of a $200 Chinese watch or anywhere else in the world, also if you only have $20, Chinese watch is the only option you could even possibly buy a watch for $20, don't take it for granted. Sea-gull is a very honorable and wellpriced Chinese watch brand, good to know there's people appreciating it from overseas, good work as always
There's also HMT watches from India that sell in that same sub-20 USD price bracket, which I would definitely prefer over an equivalent Chinese watch.
Another great vid Jory. Currently waiting for my Kickstarter Traska summiteer to arrive - conceived in the USA, made in....China.
Recently got a 1963 with the swan neck regulator. Out of the box, I am amazed how accurate this watch has kept time being fast only by 4 secs over 24 hours. Honestly had couple of Omegas that were 4 to 5 secs faster in a day. Seems like I got lucky or Seagull really does a good QC job.
The quality of products out of China vary widely. There are some world-class manufacturers there.
Experts like you can help us a lot by sorting out the wheat from the chaff
I must say, I own two Japanese watches an Orient Kamasu & The Seiko 5 Sport SNZH60K1.
I just bought a chinese watch, The Jinshidun 8718 all Gold champagne dial Automatic 24 hr sun dial watch for under $100 and I absolutely love it.
It keeps better time than my Seiko SNZH60. And I must say it's beautiful. Not only that, it's no longer available. So I have a rare watch.
Congrats and all the best, T3! Onward to the 200K milestone!
Stuck in the US now and missing my Seagull 1963 left in my apartment in Shanghai. Great vid as always!
Congrats and I am now a new subscriber. You are a lovable character - I shall be tuning in regularly.
Great info! My Starking was $35 and still works fine after over a year. :-D
Up to the 1970s, Japanese products were considered cheap and nasty. Most were just knock-offs of Western products. I can still remember the Datsun 120Y (old name of Nissan), its body panels were so thin, you could dent it by just pushing it with your finger! And it was so light, it drove like it was floating on the road. However, the Japanese went on a quality drive when they realised quality mattered. Nowadays, most people equate Japanese products as of high quality and reliable (especially for Japanese cars). In fact, I still remember the Japanese bashing that was prevalent in the USA during the 1980s, similar to the Chinese bashing now.
China products are at the same stage Japanese products were during the 1970s. They have started to improve their products and still able to sell it cheaper than many Western counterparts. Give them another decade or so, and they will be able to produce high quality products which are reliable and probably still cheaper than their counterparts. In fact, you only have to look at mobile phones and see that the majority are now designed and built in China. Huawei being a prime example. Oh, and Apple products are all made in China.
I love the irony of people commenting on the "crapness" of Chinese-manufactured watches, whilst using their (probably) Chinese-manufactured phone/tablet/computer to do so. Whilst also ignoring the fact that premium, "serious" watch manufacturers like Rolex or Tudor have not been without their own quality control issues. Hell, even my Seamaster 300 isn't that consistent at time keeping, but I know that's a symptom of owning a mechanical watch. Sure, ignorance and perception plays a huge part in some people's comments, but...like, reading and some basic research is a pretty good cure for this, and we're all capable of that, right?
Love the video Jory. Thanks.
if you love watches, you love watches, period. watch snobs makes me laugh. been studying and collecting watches for over 20+ years. I take the time to learn and appreciate watches from everywhere. they are wonderful things... and fun!
Got my 1963 Seagull for under $200. It draws positive attention.
Is it still holding up?
@@csordaserik1016 runs perfectly
@@rickgreen7393what about now? im indecise if i want to buy the acrylic or the shapphire one..
I have a Guanqin homage of a Longine and it's ticking no problem, keeping time accurately and it was like U$48. There's this other from Pagani Design that has a VK67 movement and it's damn good. It was $51. Both Chinese, and both way better than more expensive counterparts.
My best watch is made in Elgin, Illinois USA 101 years ago. Railroad grade pocket watch. It's a lot of fun.
Time teller does the narrative of describing the qualities that these Chinese watches offers, its good to try and experience Chinese timepieces, tried plenty of those, and they still work, their quality is good, and they are repairable as well, when you know to repair them. Replica watches are not fake, since they have permits to make the versions of the originals. As for parnis and some of the "Chinese brands" they are genuine Chinese brands, that makes them special, same thing with qualities when you bought swiss made or Japanese timepieces. Learn to appreciate versions of creativity in many parts of the world, sharing their best products produced. They are not cheap, they are for the "ables" regardless of their economic strata's they are at. Ciao, enjoy quality and quantity in many parts of the world. :)
Jory turning and burning the content!! Keeping me sane and from buying my grail watch out of boredom during this quarantine
Love my Alpha daytona, it's a gorgeous watch with great quality throughout. 100% Chinese and simply excellent.
Haters will be haters dude. Thx for this video. Just as you said.....I love watches......and I don't care where they come from
I bought the cheapest Chinese watch I could find for about $1.20 (including shipping). It's an extremely basic looking watch and the strap as you can imagine is horrible.
But you know what, the damn thing keeps the time. It's an accurate quartz movement inside and the second hand is properly aligned with the second markers. Yes, there's an audible tick with each passing second, but it's no louder than any of the more expensive quartz watches on the market and I love the simplicity and non existent branding on the dial. It's also extremely light from being so cheap, so easy to forget that it's even on the wrist.
For $1.20 lol
It's quite a coincidence that today I'm wearing my Seagull 1963 chrono!! 😂 It's the 38mm, acrylic dome version. Just like the original from the 60's. This watch has such a rich history... It may be chinese, but has a lot of pedigree.
Christian Rodriguez - I chose the acrylic domed crystal over sapphire even though the cost was the same - for that exact reason; its heritage and to ensure that my watch was as close to the original issue as possible.
I'm a bit of a fan of acrylic crystals.
Dude , all your videos are great & I really appreciate. All you've said have been well said & I totally agree with you. Nobody will want to grab your hand while you are walking on the street & see what watch you are wearing. We can only wear whatever pleases us & not others. People out there need to make some good research on Chinese Seagull watches history before making bad critics as honestly aside from owning some Swiss watches, I do also own some very & very good Chinese watches. Needless to say, most of the times, I find myself wearing many of my Chinese watches on a day to day basis & this has been going on for nearly 5 years now. They are damn good watches. After 5 years, till date, all my best Chinese watches are still working fine without any problem. Whatever my hard earned money can buy me is what pleases me & not what others think.
I bought the Seagull 1963 and it confirmed everything I thought I knew about Chinese quality control. It arrived broken. What DID surprise me was the relatively fast customer service, and the ease of the return process. Once this issue was sorted out, I've become a very pleased owner of a watch which is FAR more accurate than I expected, reliable, and looks great. Very pleased with the purchase, but it's not altered my opinion of Chinese quality control * or lack of it.
I’ve had one for years. It looks fantastic on a quality NATO strap. Brilliant movement, open back. Beautiful watch. True story, I went in two expensive watch shops at the weekend, security on the door and you have to be buzzed in expensive. Both remarked on my £300 watch, in one shop they took a photo of it.
I didn’t buy anything, just looking. But man did I see a nice Omega Aqua Terra, small seconds. But £6300.00, I can’t bring myself to spend that, and you get 0% finance. I’ll buckle one day though. I crave a nice Omega.
There's not much coverage of Vintage Chinese mechanicals Jorie, and there's a fuck ton of deals there.
Tons of great watches from the olden Chinese brands with history like Seagull, Beijing and Shanghai.
I love your channel it’s very helpful in my constant vigil for another watch on my wrist. I do have a suggestion. You have a really nice full beard I wish I could have one as full. But why don’t you keep it in trim it would look so much better. When someone first meets you a neat trimmed beard is their first impression of how you feel about yourself. You wouldn’t go out in public with an inside out shirt it’s the same with an untrimmed beard.
Love japanese motorcycles and watches, but design, Swiss hands down. That Epos 3440 big moon watch is just mindblowing...
Oh yeah, I also have the 1963 Chinese Air Force Chrono (in sapphire) that is cool as hell (on a nice semi distressed blonde leather strap).
Most seikos and casios are made In China just for clarification, only the high end pieces and older models are japan made
Indeed. My late 90s Casio MTD-1003 says Japan Mov't. My '70s Seiko SQ 4004 says Japan on the dial ... Japanese watches. But if it says Made in China on the back, as my modern Casios do, it's a Chinese watch.
My gshock is made in Thailand 🇹🇭 😅
My Red star 1963 is one of the prides of my collection along with the discontinued seiko sarbs.
👏👏👏👍 if it’s a good watch it’s a good watch regardless of where it’s made. I’m hoping to add the seagull to my collection one day.
Great summary, well done for not being prejudice....I've bought a few good watches like that by buying without looking at where they are from. Some chineese parts in them like Thomas Earnshaw. Thanks for this video cliff
Thanks for making another informative video! I asked a question during your Saturday live video,I know you get better questions than I asked. You answered my question with this video,thank you!
I'm currently trying to purchase my first Seagull 1963 but my research has shown that there are so many variations of it that I don't know what is real and what is not?? Anyone has any tips or links to provide to purchase an authentic Seagull I would be really appreciative
The Swiss watch industry has been sourcing parts from Hong Kong and mainland China for 60 years. Any 'Swiss Made' watch under $1000 is pretty much entirely Chinese. It's all 100% legal under Swiss law.
I have an Amazfit GTR by Zepp Health in Hegel, China. It is a smartwatch with a Li ion battery which stays charged for as long as 20 days. I really like the way it works, looks, and stands up to abuse. I like it much better than my over-complicated Apple Watch Ultra.
I have a boutique watch I bought off eBay for $100. There are maybe a few dozen in circulation. It was an amazing value. It has a sapphire crystal, stainless steel case with a PVC coating, screw down case and crown, and a military style dial. The Seiko NH38 movement is accurate to about 6 seconds per day.
I have a San Martin 62 MAS as a daily Watch and I can recommend this 100 %. Amazing Qualty for the price.
Here some great brand name for Chinese Special
1. Seagull
2. Cadisen
3. San Martin
4. Starking
5. Pagani Design
6. Reef Tiger
Always enjoy your channel...keep it up
After seagull....lol and lol and LOL and LOOOOL
If I wanted to buy your first Shanghai watch, where to start? Which chronograph/aviator/racing should I choose first?
I have a Disney watch. It’s a seagull. In my eyes it’s a really nice watch, I love being able to see the internals working, the subtle little Mickey Mouse thrown in is not easily noticed so it doesn’t scream Disney.
It keeps time, really that’s all that matters.
Seiko is assembled in other countries though right? On most of their watches it says Japan movement. They simply say made in Japan unless it’s the higher end ones. There are a couple I was/am interested in that even list, Malaysian movement. Citizen is typically less made in Japan.
I'm on my 3rd Chinese watch. The Pagani dropped the ball in the lume department. I have no complaints re: the Sharkey (Heimdallr), and now the Gustav Becker (Sea-Gull). Search the forums, do you research, and buy with confidence.
I’ve recently started my own micro or better yet nano watch brand and I primarily use the Seagull movements. Some miyota and seiko too but the Chinese movements have been great and I can keep my watch price reasonable. And the beauty of some of the Chinese movements I use is they’re direct copies of ETA’s. So if a customer wants genuine Swiss I can easily use my dials and cases. I especially like the st19xx chronograph movements like in your review watch here.
Love the channel.
Not true that Swiss watches have better quality control. Years ago, like more than 10 years ago, I bought an Omega Seamaster. Happy with the purchase, I wore it the next day to work. Colleagues at work asked to see the watch and one spotted that the second hand in the watch has a dent. I thought it was maybe a reflection of light to make it looked like a dent. But on closer inspection, it really was a dent. I brought the watch back to the authorized retailer of Omega watches and after 3 days they returned the watch back to me with a new 'seconds' needle. I thought how did this pass quality check?
I was looking at the video wearing one of my Chinese watches, the Guanqin. My favorite Chinese watch is for sure the Seagull 1963.
Not that it matters where but, I’ve read that most of the G-shock watches are in fact made in Chinese and Thai factories but for premium lines like G-Shock MRG, MTG, there is a Yamagata factory in Japan.
I got a octo that my grandpa bought in hongkong in 1987. Still works but needs some maintenance. Pretty cool cuz it has the week in chinese.
Cant believe that we are 4,700 subscribers to finally now t3 watch collection! Been waiting for this more than the next book of G.R.R. Martin
Casio is a Japanese Company, but their products tend to almost exclusively be made in China. Similar to most other Japanese companies.
Great video
I was just going to congratulate You for the 95k subscribers, didn't realize this was a older video! 250k? now? lol.. You thanked US for subscribing and helping You but You've been supplying us with Fantastic content dialed right in for us ('scuse the Pun) ..it's appreciated, Thanks Jory.
I love all watches. My favorite is my Omega reduced speedmaster. I love all my watches with ETA 2824 movements
Great video, thanks again! I own a Red Star Mechanical Chrono and love it. For under $300 you can't go wrong. BTW the worst part of your video was having to watch a Vencero Watch commercial part way through. Congrats on 95K!!
What watch band are you wearing here? I’ve just bought this watch and I’d like to try this band
Jory I've heard a lot of people saying that the official Seagull 1963 has mineral glass and all the others are fake or Frankensteins. Do you know if that's true?
The (modern) history of the Seagull 1963s is pretty long and confusing. There are a lot of different models. There are 38mm cases and 42mm cases. There are also some differences with the bezel heights in some models. There are some with display case backs and some with solids. To the best of my knowledge, seagull does not officially make the 1963 reissues anymore (www.sea-gullmall.com/). Although some middlemen who sell other legit seagulls are still selling them. For example, I have even seen a new 2020 edition (www.seagullcanada.com/products/seagull-1963-hand-wind-mechanical-chronograph-38mm-watch-re-issued-edition-d304b-with-series-number-on-case-back-total-650pcs?_pos=1&_sid=76aa5f549&_ss=r). Long story short, get what you like.
TwentySixAnd - That Limited Edition version is VERY interesting.
Lume'd hands. Textured ring around the outer dial. Different text above the 6. Different font. It looks beautiful.
My understanding is that the 1963 design has been made by a substantial Chinese watchmaker under license (using the SeaGull ST1901 movement ).
This is how they ended up on Aliexpress for under $100USD recently.
To your knowledge, is this correct?
@@anthonysmith2982 to be completely honest it has been some time since I did a deep dive. If I was to tell you details I couldn't give them with certainty. All I can say for sure is that their are so many out their with so many small variants that nobody, short of a handful of people in the whole world, could tell you how 'authentic' it is. I would probably spend more than 100$ if it was me though. Seems a little too good!
TwentySixAnd - Yeah! That's what I thought! In fact it was $90! ...with a khaki nato & (a pretty crappy) leather strap & a 2nd stainless steel embossed and printed case back (although they emailed me after I'd paid to tell me the 2nd case back would not be included).
I bought it out of...morbid curiosity perhaps ? I was fully expecting it to be a 'fake' of dubious quality - & I could always give it to one of my daughters...
It arrived much quicker than Aliexpress orders usually do. I buy straps from Aliex. They have some genuinely good leather for around $20-$25 BTW!
Anyway. I compared it to my "genuine" 1963 - well at least one I've owned from new for maybe 8 years. They looked identical to me and I decided to take it to my watchmaker. He laughed at the price and said 'as far as I can tell it's genuine!'
So I don't know what to make of it.
It's obviously not made by SeaGull but it is definitely a genuine ST1901 movement. So...I don't really care who made it! It's extremely well made. They were all over Aliexpress - all for around $110 - $120 and then I got an email telling me that I had 24hrs to buy it at $88, so I did. Immediately.
I'm honestly not sure whether to pinch myself or wait for it to explode!
Either way. It spent a week on my wrist, ran like a champ and went back into the watch box. I think I might give it to the first person in the family who compliments me on it! So make of that what you will. I'm still a little bewildered .
Cheers and stay well.
Anthony.
Where does one get your band? I love the leather/nato combo
China also has a bad rep for using slave labor like the Uighur Muslims, and prisoners of conscience Christians, and so forth. You just never know if an actual slave is making your watch.
seagull 1963 is on my list of must haves.
What strap is that? Nice video.
I bought a Forsining for 100 AUD. Fabulous dial, reminding me of the Breitling I couldn't afford. Auto, self wind, day and date dials, moon phase. It's not a fake replica and it gives me so much satisfaction, I don't care that it's chinese.
"Hate ON" ? The "On" is superflueous!
Really necessary video!! Thanks!! There are wonderful machines on a lot of countries, including China!!