Spyro the Dragon Prototype (June 15th 1998) - Machinists
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- This footage is of the June 15th 1998 Prototype, an NTSC "Preview Version" of the game built just under two months before the final (NTSC) build date of August 12th 1998. I've been lucky enough to obtain this build, and I'm releasing it for everyone else to play.
A full write-up of the differences can be found at tcrf.net/Proto.... Further information, and a download link, can be found at hiddenpalace.o...
Can you see any differences I've missed?
Please excuse the audio popping heard in some of the earlier levels. Part way through recording I discovered that some background processes were hogging a large amount of my CPU, causing the issue. It goes away in later videos.
Note that, for later levels, I used some hacks to retain Spyro's health, in parts. Later levels seem to be missing fodder in this build, so this was done to work around this issue. As such, the footage may not be totally accurate to the real gameplay experience.
Extra thanks to gdias / Darkaiser - without their help this would not have been possible.
There is something incredibly hilarious about a portal named "The End" literally being blocked off by an invisible wall
I made lots of codes for the original ps1 version. A level mod to acces it if it exists would be an easy thing to do. If possible I am going to try and port my Super God Mode than enables flying without any issues going trough portals and walking on water, not being hit by enemies etc.
On second hand, I can not find the game id's (SCUS-U etc), When using ePSXe with Gameshark Codes that will be needed. I did find most codes but seems a lot of stuff is not even there in this proto-type version. Moonjump, Fast Running, Flying, Infinite Health, Invincibility (Enemies can not touch you) are some of the things I found. Also some strange menu that could be part of a debug, it contains some empty lines so I suspect something is close. I also found that some animations are missing. But as an alternative to those who are interested here's a cheat engine cheat table for it we.tl/t-zibUnheDyb just remember in settings to set hotkey and freeze interval to 1ms
@FingeredDonut The offsets differ at some points, some are dead on. So I guess some features are simply not there. These are the codes I made for the retail gamehacking.org/game/89892?hacker=Unicorngoulash. The God Mode one makes you able to do insane things, including flying, also into portals, it won't crash. The info note explains it. I don't know how adept you are at code conversion but by all means give it a go.
The problem is converting it to gameshark because it has no Scus ID which ePSXe needs. For other emulators it might not be a problem because they allow importing of cheats.
@@LUMINIZEDOG gamehacking.org/game/131784?hacker=Unicorngoulash Name the text file SLU__020.79 (We're on the same discord page btw, I'm unicorngoulash"
CrystalFissure is going to be doing flips off the walls when he sees this. lmao
This was just 2 month before the release? Wow they fixed so much in such a short time
Legend says they stayed up all night to work on the game
Absolutely no way that's the case
So Gnasty's World was originally supposed to be a gauntlet of levels (with each one having a portal at the end to the next one and the balloonist being at the start of Gnorc Cove)
Pretty stressful tbh lol
^your user name lol
I dunno, it really seems like a thing they'd put in to limit testers or the press from seeing the unfinished final boss.
That raft ride o_o dear god
The raft, however was cut from the retail version of the game. and gnorc cove is a regular level. not the hubworld.
It’s like the box raft wants you to die.
Lol
Glad they nixed that!
@@NicholasBarton2005 Steady on.
The box is nightmare fuel
This is amazing! But may I ask, how did you obtain this prototype? Prototypes of games like this are so hard to find.
he googled it
@@blob5907 err, nope, lol
@@Hwd405 So it isn't from the most undiscovered place of the Internet known as second page in Google?
@@kacperkowalski8151 lmao, if only it were that easy, woulda been a lot cheaper too
I know I'm a bit late on this one but there is a website called hidden palace which has prototypes for a few original consoles.
Suddenly that long blue tunnel at the end of Gnorc Cove in the final version makes a lot more sense now. Thanks for sharing.
what long blue tunnel?
@@Jroobelucios 7:38
There’s something interesting about the Machinists World not having a hub. Wonder if the final world was supposed to be a gauntlet run from Gnorc Cove to the final boss.
true
That would have been so cool
I can imagine game overs being more frustrating here. If you die at any point in Twilight Harbor onwards, you have to run the gauntlet again with no shortcuts to the end portals.
The moving crates seem so out of place. I love it
Ever since I first spotted a screenshot of the early Gnasty Gnorc design in an old magazine, I've wondered if I could ever get to see it up close. This is absolutely gorgeous.
And on the topic, I know from that magazine that there must have been a later build of the game where that level was textured(at least more so than this) AND still used the beta Gnasty model.
For sure. Still need to figure out what magazine that is though because so far I've only ever seen that one rubbish photo
@@Hwd405 ruclips.net/video/XzRFQIaPf9w/видео.html
NoBoDy_61 wait wait wait what the fucking hell
@@Hwd405 I found it in a magazine called PlayStation Ultimate Solutions Guide. Here's a link: fav.me/dbs9qbt
It also contained a screenshot of an alternate crystal dragon model.
@@Hwd405 If you don't know what he says, I could translate it for you
This version of Gnasty's boss stage hits kinda different
The final is a faceoff with a terrible monster in a decrepit dungeon, but this one, with the bright sky and tan stone, feels more like you're challenging a King on the battlements of his castle.
huh.... they ditched that weird ass moving platform lol
It looks like it doesn't like having him on there.
I still have the original trilogy after so many years. I'll never get rid of it; same goes for my PlayStation 1 (if you want to call it that). I've now got the reignited trilogy but you certainly can't beat the classic Spyro. Some of the characters in the reignited version look creepy.
Who looks creepy in reignited?
@@Gorilla-r4g Handel & Greta look creepy to me, but that's just my opinion.
When you've played the old games for so long, it's hard to accept some changes. Spyro is still adorable; Sparx is cute; and Hunter looks HOT😊!
@@LethalSaliva what about Elora and Bianca?
@@Gorilla-r4g I think Elora looks cuter in Reignited. I also like her personality when she and Spyro first meet.
As for Bianca, I prefer the original. The way I see it, her buck teeth & bunny snout don't really do her justice.
That's just my opinion; I'm sure others will disagree with me.
What do you mean "if you want to call it that"? Is it a hardware clone?
This needs to be a skin in CTR for Gnasty Gnorc
There is now!
@@emilycoffey8264 wait what?
@chris robson I literally just loaded up the game to check, there is not...
brucifer are you talking about the original one of the new remade one, because you can unlock him though the pit stop :)
Emily Coffey They're not asking for Gnasty to be in the game, they're asking for this particular design for Gnasty to be a skin in the game
Omg, the last world was so unfinished, and there were just two months remaining for the final release!
So when, in the Reignited Trilogy, Sparx refuses to pick up some random gems, it's actually a reference to this early build?
No, TfB wouldn't have known about this build (and even if it was a reference it would be a reference nobody got and would just frustrate players unnecessarily)
Sparx is quite consistently able to pick up gems correctly in this version but he fails in this particular level for some reason, I'm not sure why
Unless you're just making a joke idk
@@Hwd405 I was joking but thank you very much for answering and uploading these videos
@@Hwd405 They could have known about the early spyro 1 build if they talked with insomniac.
@@Tyrik73 No, not likely. Not only were there many early builds (not just "the" early build) but the games were released 20 years ago and many of the employees have moved on and only know remember a few details. Insomniac almost certainly does not still own early versions of this game.
LOL! Easter Egg for the hardcore fans.
Spyro The Dragon really came out at the perfect time. Saving your game had gotten good enough and it fully supported the dualshock. It's graphics still look just good enough.
Gnasty Gnorc looked extra badass here!
what fond memories i have with this game.
Alpine cliffs. That moving box platform is so weird XD The big comando frog just shooting straight. I wanna walk on water. Gnegaitve Gnasty looks badass!
Thank you for the footage! 😃
Edit: Also thank you for dumping it!
At least now we know what happened to Machinists
DUDE I FUCKING LOVE YOU! THIS IS A DREAM COME TRUE FOR ALL SPYRO FANS!
Seriously! You’re amazing dude, I have no clue how you got access to this but by all means I’m really glad! I’m a huge fan of spyro 1,2,3 and I am very interested in video game prototypes and betas, this is a fucking godsend! Thank you so much and please make more content and never stop! AAAAA
August 12th 1998, my 4th Birthday!
you are exactly ten days older than me!
The shiny version of gnasty gnorc looks awesome! Also, I’m glad they didn’t use the name “gnasty palace” for the final level 😂
The End just gives my imagination such a ride..
I wonder if the last world was supposed to be a straightforward level maraphon, like Dr. Wily's castle in Megaman games.
I see Twilight Harbor and Gnorc Cove already had their names switched by then.
Is it just me, or does Sparx seem incapable of picking up the gems in this level?
hes just a fucking slacker is all
Lmao yea. Iseen him grab a few
Spyro Is AWESOME
Looking forward to His New game’s coming in development hope they add in Spyro’s Free Flight Ability Anytime Any Level No Limitations but NEW Upgrade Able Qualities
💜🔥❄️⚡️💧✨✈️ 🙏⭐️🍀🔮
This is awesome thanks for getting everyone the demo!
If I ever get the chance to play this beta I am so taking the opportunity to explore Twilight Haurber at much as I possibly can.
Gnasty level without texture looks like soul reaver.
teleport to the next level
hold L1, L2, R1, R2 for 3 seconds
Wait, there's no hub in this world?
I kind of like that there isn't and wish it really had just been one string of worlds with no breaks. That would have made the last "world" feel more tense, like Gnasty really didn't want you to be there. BOOM, barrel throwing gnorcs. BOOM, machine gun gnorccs. I would have been like, OMG, WHEN IS THIS GOING TO END? I would have LOVED that so much. 8 year old me would have hated it. xD
They love using Alpine ridge as a placeholder ost
For some reason, I kind of find this a bit creepy
Liminal space vibes
same
seems like they originally were planning more dynamic water?
Isn’t the moving raft from Super Mario 64?
It's not
Looks like TFB used this build of sparx for the reignited trilogy.
thanks
Spyro 2 build when👀
m.ruclips.net/video/s3Ve714-ugs/видео.html
Here’s an early intro cutscene shown in the Target Video game previews vhs video. No background music, No thunder sfx, no rain, Sparx eyes look like a snake and the biggest difference is the portal is not even activated yet.
m.ruclips.net/video/LdoJXQ8-CjA/видео.html
And this one is even earlier probably late 1998 Dec to early Jan 1999 that still has the pink fairies from the first game. And the different aim reticle and Spyro 1 Sparx design.
That's awesome! Very rare build. if only someone knows about where to find an iso of this
Christopher B. uhh, yeah no that's not from 1998 lmao. It's just early B-roll footage, the game wouldn't have been in anywhere near that state in late 1998. Most estimates put it at around March-April 1999.
One Fuzzy Lombax it's unlikely such a version ever made it outside of insomniac. The footage is b-roll that they sent round to a bunch of TV shows etc, as opposed to a build. As for the later version with the weird opening cutscene, again that's just B-roll, but it does seem like a build from around that point in development was sent out to a few different places.
Thank you for releasing it. This build surfaced years ago but the asshole that originally uploaded the videos of it refused to release it and sit on it.
this is an entirely different build
Why did he refuse to
So knowing what we know now, is it possible that this version of Gnasty isn't really a beta design, but rather was always just a glitch texture?
And that any magazine screenshots of it were just from builds prior to the developers fixing the graphical issues? Any downloaded versions of the game that show this Gnasty might be glitched because it's anti-piracy programming got confused.
No I don't think that's right, the textures can be ripped and they look perfectly normal - no trace of the final textures. It's 100% an early design. Furthermore, magazine screenshots that display it as well as versions of the game that have made it onto RUclips that feature this texture are provably after LXShadow's build (which uses the final texture) and in the latter case provably after the NTSC final build, suggesting it's just a leftover asset that made its way into early PAL releases somehow (perhaps the PAL codebase still had the textures for some reason? The Gnasty that shows in the opening cutscene is not the same object so it would not have to use the same object texture, especially since it was added after Gnasty's texture was initially changed to his final one). On top of that these early PAL versions feature more differences than just the changed texture so there's definitely another version out there.
8:50 that was just me in high school snoozing my alarm every morning.
I was late 91 times senior year.
I wonder if there's any data on the disc about Aquifiers Homeworld..
I doubt it; there's certainly no dialogue, level names or level models corresponding to the levels and this version would be way after any of the levels were removed, assuming they were ever in the game at all. There's no proof they ever made it past the conceptual phase currently.
@@Hwd405 I hope someone can recreate them. But nowadays, it's always a legal thing. Would be interesting to see how the homeworld and levels look like
I wish they had kep the last two worlds would have been interesting to see the levels, dragons and enemies.
Looks like gnorc is totally messed up
Hi so I am currently doing a let's play of the first Spyro game and I was wondering if I could use your footage for the bonus episode? I talk a lot about the beta of the first Spyro game and I literally just saw this today. I will give credit where credit is due
Sure thing, credit is preferred so go ahead
I’m looking for prototypes of a specific game myself. Did you contact developers to get ahold of this? I’m in contact with the developers for the game I play, but feel that it’s too much to ask them for it. If you have any tips of resources I would be very grateful 😊
I did not contact developers for this, it came from a seller who had purchased a lot of prototypes from someone who had previously worked at a publishing agency. In my experience going to devs directly isn't always the best solution (depends on the game) but if you're going to I'd recommend avoiding asking them directly - best to start a conversation with them so they're not scared off and the conversation happens more naturally.
Hwd405 Thank you for the response, I appreciate it! I have been in contact with one dev for a few months and has graciously even given me original document outlines of the game! As for prototypes I’m not aware that he has any. I have been sure to be respectful and start a conversation first as you mentioned. Super cool what you can find out about games from the devs :) Where would you suggest starting to find a publisher or someone who may have access to things of that nature? Like, are there websites for resources such as this, or is it more so looking into companies who may have worked on publishing the game?
Cicada Shell you probably wanna focus on magazines that published articles on those games and the publishers they worked with. Alternatively you could look through old forum posts for any prototypes other people might have had and contact them about it though oftentimes it's been many years since they sold the games off. As for websites you can go to, all I can really suggest is making some posts on obscuregamers or something so that people know what you're looking for. The truth is that there's no easy trick to obtaining prototypes and even the things I've suggested are highly unreliable. We're kind of beyond the golden age of prototypes now, where they were all sold for dirt cheap and were much easier to find, so whichever method you use will require lots of time and patience and relatively low expectations.
Hwd405 I really appreciate all of your advice, this is great! I’m fairly new to searching for this kind of thing so any extra tool I am able to put under my belt is going to be put to use! I’ll definitely look into those sources and hopefully get something with it :) I’ve had much luck so far with contacting devs so I’m hoping some of that luck will rub off on finding a prototype haha. Thanks again, best of luck to you and your searches as well!
the cutting room floor link is dead? where is the differences?
TCRF is currently down so I was not able to upload the page I've produced before releasing this
Entering The End....
"Gnasty's Place" lol. Fond of beige?
lol it's quite literally "The end"
How recently has this pro type build of Spyro been found. Seems like it just appeared. An explanation would be nice.
Found someone selling it online so I bought it off him. Apparently he got it from someone that used to work at Future Publishing.
Thank you, that’s a cool story.
Spyruuuuu
I'm guessing you used Cheat Engine for the last levels. What are the level codes?
The End is level ID 61, Gnasty Place is level ID 63
@@Hwd405 Thanks. Hopefully there's more Spyro prototypes out there. I hope that the prototypes with the old HUD will be found some day
Took me awhile to figure out what memory address with for the level ID is set with Cheat Engine but somebody in a Spyro speedrunning Discord found a good method.
The level ID changes based on what level you're currently in. You can track it down by going to a levels with a known ID (Artisans ID is 10, Stone Hill is 11, etc). Changing the value it before entering a portal will take you to that level instead.
SpyroPS1iscool Since Sonic got his 2 prototypes last year (Sonic CD & Sonic 3) And the Crash 3 Alpha last year. I think it’s Spyros turn.
@@Hwd405 Do you have a list of all the levels as Hex? or a cheat table. I am turning everything into gameshark.
You mean it's first old version spyro yes?
I guess spyro 4 is coming soon with all these leaks
These aren’t leaks
@@Hwd405 I believe it was a joke :)
@@Jroobelucios doesn’t matter, people genuinely call these releases “leaks” which I don’t think paints a particularly positive picture. I’d rather not have those negative connotations associated with my releases
@@Hwd405 oh I see, sorry
Anyone been able to play this image on jailbroken ps3 with WebMan or Multiman? I've tried mounting original files, as well as image converted to .bin and .iso, but no luck. Or can this only be played on emulator? Or modded ps1 or ps2 w/ free mcboot?
I've heard of people playing it on PS3s but I'm not sure of the specific setup required
@@Hwd405 Thanks for quick response. I just figured it out. I was trying to play off external NTFS HDD, which works fine for ps1 games I've ripped from disc on the PS3. But it didn't like it this time. I needed to transfer original image files to internal HDD, works fine now! (No need to convert to .iso or .bin). Looking forward to playing, thanks for sharing!
how are you getting to twilight/gnasty? what codes?
I use cheat engine
@@Hwd405 we.tl/t-zibUnheDyb maybe these codes are of some use. (ePSXe 2.0.5 used) I am a very active Spyro hacker, I don't know the scus id (ELF) it's not on the disc image, else I would have made some gameshark codes. I'm actually the first to make the flying code work without crashing going trough portals (I made it into a super god mode code) On my youtube channel you can find some crazy Spyro hacks and this is my personal code page: gamehacking.org/hackers/Unicorngoulash/psx
Awesome work! Have you tried enable logs from epsxe main window? Log window should appear on next epsxe restart and then opening game will show SCUS code in log window at top.
@@kapteeni13 Sweet, I never used it, must have overseen it even after all these years haha. but it gave me the info I need, thanks! SLU__020.79 So once I'm up to it I can make some gameshark codes.
@@kapteeni13 I made the codes, I shared them here. They are also on gamehacking.org Thanks for the tip.
Not that it matters, but I managed to get 395 on Metalhead
I’m looking for prototypes of a specific game myself. Did you contact developers to get ahold of this? I’m in contact with the developers for the game I play, but feel that it’s too much to ask them for it. If you have any tips of resources I would be very grateful 😊