Why Doesn't the Catholic Church Support Gay Marriage? W/ Trent Horn
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- Опубликовано: 18 авг 2024
- Trent goes over the reasoning behind the Church's definition of marriage, and how the modern public consensus is based on a confusion of sex and love. In the full episode Trent goes into more detail responding to LGBT arguments, and clarifying the Church's position on same-sex relationships.
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A favorite quote: “To love is to will the good of the other.” -St. Thomas Aquinas
And therein lies the rub. We live in an age when no one either knows or cares what the good is anymore....not even those charged in particular with that care.
Ginny and Eric can you guess where Thomas Aquinas probably got that inspiration? From the Bible! Luke 6:27-31
"27 “But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. 29 If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also. If someone takes your coat, do not withhold your shirt from them. 30 Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. 31 Do to others as you would have them do to you."
In my opinion, this is probably the verse St. Aquinas got his inspiration from. Pax Christi to you!
joseph jackson Thanks for sharing; love it and think you’re right. God bless you! 🙏🏼😄
define good now...
@@GinnyandEric And who are you to tell others what is good for them? If I were to chastise you for publicly flaunting your sexuality in your profile image and the title of your channel, how might you react? If I were to tell you that your relationship was invalid, unholy, damaging, and ultimately worthless, would you continue listening to anything else I had to say about my religious beliefs? Consider how the message comes across to real people in real relationships. How could you ever possibly hope to convince a gay-married couple who have been together for over 50 years that their relationship wasn't important or loving or meaningful or moral? Who are you to tell them this is not good for them or for any LGBTQ+ people?
I think marriage should last until one spouse dies, hence "till death do us part".
Jesus thinks so too
@Moritz Kleineidam Because Christianity isn't about pleasing yourself. It's about unconditional love, self sacrifice, reconciliation, long suffering and carrying your cross.
Same for the gays
@@Tatiana-cp1fc this is so depressing clearly you don't understand what marrige is.
@@helenhamilton692 clearly you don't understand.
I think it is better to start by separating out the sacrament of marriage from civil marriage and then ask people why the govt has any business recognizing certain relationships, elevating their status, and forcing everyone else to recognize those relationships? Put religion aside and you will end up showing why Catholicism is right on this issue, i.e. children's rights.
So many advocates for same-sex L marriage” making pointless remarks here.
I’ve had two long-terms homosexual relations before turning to Jesus and I lived as a gay man for thirty years, so they can’t fool me: homosexual relations are never the same as straight ones. Already the choice to purchase or adopt children is totally different from a real, heterosexual couple.
And Jesus can heal from SSA, if someone really believes in Him. I know it, because I’ve lived it.
From being gay unhappy atheist I am now a Catholic, burning of love for my Lord Jesus Christ… quite an improvement! Wish on all the gay advocates the same experience.
I was once what you still are, one fine day you shall become what I am now.
You understand people in 1950s, Catholics included, also said Jesus can cure you of interracial attraction as well. It’s why interracial relationships didn’t gain majority approval until 1994.
I want to come into union with these strong arguments
@Goggle products How old are you? 12? If you are, you need to go find something else to do. If you aren't, you should be embarassed.
Trent brings up an even a more interesting point. Why is the marriage vow eternal, why not say I love you for 10 years, 5, or even 2. We know that it sounds crass on an gut level, but the implications are there
The Church itself says that the marriage vow is not eternal. You won't care, because you will have no memories of this life in Heaven. Otherwise, how could Heaven be Heaven for you, if the people you loved were not there?
@@efandmk3382 We aren't brainwashed when we die; we still have memories of this life.
Jesus said What God joins let no man pull apart. 1 man and 1 woman joins together to become 1 flesh.
@@andrews5997 How could my mother ever possibly enjoy eternity in Heaven knowing that I am being tortured in Hell forever for falling in love with a man? How is that supposed to make sense?
@@kylejhartman you will eventually be saved, son. I was healed from SSA at 48! Now I’m a real Catholic (NOT the Biden kind), lead a normal life and I shudder at the thought of how empty my life as a gay man was, how many lies I had to put up with.
Now I’m true to the Lord, with all my flaws and sins.
Jesus makes me happy. I pray for you to experience the same joy in this earth and in your future eternal life with the Lord.
Why did the pope decide to support same sex marriage?? The Bible (apostle Paul) states that homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God. The pope is directly going against what the Bible states… why do Catholics still trust the Pope when he clearly goes against the word of GOD? Is he really someone to be trusted to give and teach Gods word? I personally see that he is not a man who is inspired by the holy spirit.. (I would love to get a Roman Catholics response)
The Bible condones if not explicitly sponsors slavery. Is everyone who is against slavery going against the will of god.
Leviticus 25:44-46
The Holy Family pray for us!
Just wandered on this podcast....amazing content! Thank you.
more info based on facts & love If you are gay or know someone who is, this is important information! Sexual orientation is determined in the womb during fetus development. Various hormones are introduced at specific times to accomplish this .The fetus plays no part in this process. A person is, therefore, born with a predetermined attraction. It is, therefore, not a choice & consequently not a sin & not immoral. It is a natural expression of our species & found commonplace in nature. Intelligent research in this area clearly explains this process. If you are truly interested in truth, based on knowledge, the book Gay, Straight & the Reason Why by Dr. Simon Levay shows this with numerous research articles. If you want to understand the truth & have respect for yourself & others, this book will help. It also has, unlike the bible written over 2000 years ago by men that had no understanding of science, an extensive bibliography. I strongly recommend the book. The public must be exposed to facts & knowledge. It is an obligation for those who know the truth & must defend it. Don’t let the religious pull you down to their level of ignorance. Peace
The whole purpose of recognizing same-sex "marriage" is to receive employer or government benefits.
“I’m not directly comparing incest to same-sex marriage, but...”
And he is surprised anyone is indignant at that old slur.
Same sex marriage or incest? I don’t recognize either of those as being slurs.
@@xander4043 constantly comparing and conflating the two. Such thinkers can’t show same sex marriage to be inherently wrong, and so keep running to the well of comparing it to incest or even bestiality. I mean, imagine if Fradd was expected to take someone seriously if they constantly compared priestly celibacy to rape. It’s intellectually uncharitable to put it mildly.
Yes it is often used John, but that’s because in the Catholic POV- both sexual relationships between two of the same sex and two people of the same close family or of human and animal are all disordered.
This is not a slur, just a belief about ordered and disordered attractions within the Church.
@@Chakra_king So it's not a slur, as long as my intentions are genuine? Damn, that's convinient.
is this truth or fiction ?If you are gay or know someone who is, this is important information! Sexual orientation is determined in the womb during fetus development. Various hormones are introduced at specific times to accomplish this .The fetus plays no part in this process. A person is, therefore, born with a predetermined attraction. It is, therefore, not a choice & consequently not a sin & not immoral. It is a natural expression of our species & found commonplace in nature. Intelligent research in this area clearly explains this process. If you are truly interested in truth, based on knowledge, the book Gay, Straight & the Reason Why by Dr. Simon Levay shows this with numerous research articles. If you want to understand the truth & have respect for yourself & others, this book will help. It also has, unlike the bible written over 2000 years ago by men that had no understanding of science, an extensive bibliography. I strongly recommend the book. The public must be exposed to facts & knowledge. It is an obligation for those who know the truth & must defend it. Don’t let the religious pull you down to their level of ignorance. Peace
I’m in the process of becoming Catholic. I am also a gay man. This is really the one subject that has never made any sense to me. And not because it applies to me.
The arguments against consensual, loving, committed same-sex relationships just don’t hold up. Jesus said that we shall know them by their fruits in regards to theological teaching. Studies have shown that denying your sexuality and participating in conversion therapy leads to increased depression, anxiety, and suicidal thoughts. Those are obviously bad fruits from a bad theological tree.
I will be the first one to stand with the Catholic Church to call out promiscuity. But there is a clear distinction between promiscuity and a loving, committed relationship.
It seems that the church has put these standards of living that are just impossible to uphold. Priests are required to take a vow of celibacy. But a recent study shows that most priests break that vow. And a decent proportion break it many times (both heterosexual and homosexual priests).
I am falling more and more in love with Catholicism and it’s core values. But I also pray for discernment. It’s healthy to wrestle with these things. I think blindly following along is quite dangerous and detrimental to one’s being and faith. To wrestle and question oftentimes leads to a deeper faith.
this info should make sense. Based on knowledge not dogma. If you are gay or know someone who is, this is important information! Sexual orientation is determined in the womb during fetus development. Various hormones are introduced at specific times to accomplish this .The fetus plays no part in this process. A person is, therefore, born with a predetermined attraction. It is, therefore, not a choice & consequently not a sin & not immoral. It is a natural expression of our species & found commonplace in nature. Intelligent research in this area clearly explains this process. If you are truly interested in truth, based on knowledge, the book Gay, Straight & the Reason Why by Dr. Simon Levay shows this with numerous research articles. If you want to understand the truth & have respect for yourself & others, this book will help. It also has, unlike the bible written over 2000 years ago by men that had no understanding of science, an extensive bibliography. I strongly recommend the book. The public must be exposed to facts & knowledge. It is an obligation for those who know the truth & must defend it. Don’t let the religious pull you down to their level of ignorance. Peace
Can you link that study? No one is saying they can’t have committed and affectionate relationships, they just need to be plutonic and chaste. The fruits argument isn’t strong because by it other lifestyles contrary to Church teaching can be rationalised and also a good argument can be made that it actually produces bad fruit. The Catechism doesn’t say they should deny their sexuality, but rather that ‘By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.’ (2359). The basis for the Church’s teaching is in sacred scripture, Apostolic tradition and natural law, so it won’t change. Jesus spoke against sexual immorality, the Greek word porneia, which is basically any sexual act outside the covenant relationship between a man and a woman. If I can offer one positive note to a life of celibacy, or singleness, is that you can devote yourself fully to the service and will of God, and great will be your reward in the life to come, because God will know the greatness of your sacrifice and your trial. It’s possible to gain self mastery. Many great saints have achieved it, St Paul, John, Augustine, Aquinas… the list goes on and on, not to mention Jesus himself. A man named Becket Cook, though evangelical, might be a source of encouragement to you. I’m glad your considering Catholicism, it’s sacraments and devotions especially will be a great source of supernatural strength for your journey home to heaven.
@@peter_hobbs Thank you for your thoughtful reply. We can agree to disagree on this subject. Take care.
@@connorbrown4633
If i were you i would not convert. You will never be accepted by them. The Church and Christianity in general are deeply homophobic. Same with the 2 other Abrahamic creeds. My advice to you is to seek a more inclusive,sex positive path.
Why aren't priests allowed to marry, they did in the old testament as well as early church bishops?
They were,but due to futher councils they found out that clergymen are supposed to completly given to God and be celibate.
@@tryhardf844 And the REAL reason is that Priests used to be like Protestant Clergy. They married and had families and jobs. Many Priests were dying and leaving the responsibility of their families to their Parishes. So it was decided it might be better if Priests were Celibate.
@@efandmk3382 Paul Blackburn. It stems from the development of our understanding of Jesus as Celibate and the bridegroom of the Church. Jesus gave His all for the Church his bride to the last drop of his blood. The new priesthood and I am one is about being configured to Christ the bridegroom and giving oneself totally to the bride the Church. That is the real reason.
I don't know in The Bible said you should not forbid to marry, but the catholic church teaches that priest should not marry but they are teaching false doctrine.
@@michaelbarsness8509 Or maybe it was because priests would die and their wives would inherit Church property. Can't have that! ;)
4:16 you won’t regret it
Wrong
God is love. With out God there is no love. If u are outside the will of God u are outside of love. Homosexuality is outside the will of God. There is no love in it. God said marriage is between a man and a woman period no EXCEPTION.
Bearing false witness is one of the top ten. Gay couples love one another. Since civil unions have been legal, the divorce rate among gay couples is less than 1/4 of that among heteros. They used to separate black families saying "They don't really feel love like we do". Nothing ever changes. The BS is just directed at different victims.
You have the intellectual integrity of a child.
@@efandmk3382 Incorrect
“Overall, same-sex couples reported shorter relationship lengths than different-sex couples (Joyner et al., 2017). And male same-sex couples experienced significantly higher rates of dissolution than female couples or different-sex couples.”
www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/meet-catch-and-keep/201710/are-same-sex-or-heterosexual-relationships-more-stable
Arguments based on definitions are a waste of time as the definitions chosen often limit what people are talking about. In this case the discussion focuses on a dumb definition of marriage offered by a proponent of gay marriage. The discussion then goes on say how dumb it is and then comes up with a more traditional idea of what marriage is.
The reality is that marriage is two things. It is a type of contractual or legal arrangement. In addition in the Catholic Church it is a sacrament. Now one can understand that Catholics do not want their religious idea of marriage tampered with. Makes perfect sense. However this does not mean that you should stop others from being married in a civil sense. Before Christianity marriage in the Greek world was far more commercial.
The reality is that non Christians will get married all the time. Catholics have no objection to Hindu's or Buddists getting married. Why the problem with gays?
I dont have problem gay people marrying each other. But i have a problem when gay people forcing me to accept that their ideology is okay. I have my belief and they had their own. If we don't talk about it we can be good friends. But that's not the case on
most lgbt people. They want people to accept them and their ideology when they can't even accept other people belief. I had no problem having conversations and becoming friend with a gay man. But if that gay man force me to support his marriage and his sexuality , then we had a problem
Marriages between pagans, even if not sacramental, are in accordance with at least one of the natural ends of marriage, which is procreation. Gay "marriages" don't. Even more, the aspect of the physical union, which is intrinsic to marriage, would always constitute an act of sodomy in this case, and the State cannot promulgate laws which promote sin.
@@megannail8172 You got gay marriage because of the Supreme Court did you not. That suggests limiting marriage to a man and a women is against the constitution
You speak in too many platitudes to make any concise argument for or against marriage. If you make something legal, it doesn’t mean that it will be helpful to you. Banning something or making it illegal have to have an enforcement metric for people to abide by the laws. You can’t force people to accept something that goes against what they were taught or have come to believe. Hinduism and Buddhism have established religious perimeters in marriage. A homosexual so-called marriage is not defined by anything other than what an individual makes it out to be at the time. You have to think about how individualisation has affected the concept of marriage as well because it is not about self gratification or pleasure solely for yourself.
@@willsoo8470 "I'm okay with white people marrying the blacks, but don't force it down my throat."
The language of prejudice never changes, does it not?
No, you're just a bigot, sis; that's it.
You're just mad that I can go marry a homie now because MY SKY DADDY SAYS NO.
Stay mad.
I think it's also worth differentiating the legal definition of marriage from the Biblical definition. There are countless things that a Christian might find legally permissible that are not Biblically permissible. Ought not alternative marriage arrangements be one of these? (so long as churches are not asked to acknowledge/host/promote such unions)
Read some other comments which address this in full measure to show how, not only is that not permissible, but not even what is happening in real life.
Because I believed that God stablished marriage and mandkind don't have the authority to modify it as society wants. For that reason, there is no such a thing as gay marriage, and supporting or being against something that simply doesn't exist is nonesense.
Constitution may say whatever people want, but God's word doesn't. That's why, even today, gay marriage doesn't exist.
So you deny the obvious reality that gays get married?
Do you live under a rock? Gay people do get married
Imagine being this delusional lmao.
Read the writing on the wall, hun.
You lost, and you are losing.
Did you honestly believe that you could keep the wool over people's eyes forever?
Whether you like it or not gay people are getting married! And you don’t have any right to deny it to us
Maybe gay marriage doesn't exist in Catholicism or Christianity in general, but it most definitely exists legally.
This is why the Holy Father's recent comments that civil unions for homosexuals are permissible are so disturbing. There are absolutes and Objective Truths to matrimony.
@@g.Raider How can the Pope not know what he's doing? I thought he had Papal Infallibility?
@@joemen3332 Point taken!
Francis is perpetually disturbing.
@@g.Raider Actually, you are incorrect on two points. First, Pope Francis told the U.S Conference of Catholic Bishops this very thing at their 2020 Ad Limina visit, as testified to by Archbishop Cortileone of San Francisco. Second, the notion that civil unions bear no impact on the institution of matrimony in nonsense. The very Sacrament of Matrimony is rooted in the witness of the community, which is what civil union confers. It's a name change without a distinction. Semantics aside, the constant teaching of the Church, including the Catechism itself, gives no credence to material cooperation or allowance with an Objectivity Sinful act. To suggest that civil unions is possible is to suggest that one form of practitioners of homosexuality is preferable to another. It isn't. All forms are Greviously Mortal Sin and not possible for a practicing Christian.
@@everfaithful9272 Papal infallibility is only present when teaching authoritatively from the full weight of his Office and only on matters of Faith and morals. He isn't doing that here. He is offering his personal opinion as pope, not exercising his Petrine Office as binding on the Faithful.
what about the church being ok with older man marrying young kids back in the day when we had arranged marriage?!
what about the contemporary secular society being ok with old rich men marrying 18-19 yo girls? tolerance doesn't mean approval.
@@luigibonini Lol, are you comparing "arranged" ( forced ) marriage with Rich people and gold diggers?!
Marriages happening under the arms of the church.
And what about those old men and 19 years girl marrying, on the church at least some cases, what about those, secular as well?
You dont tolerate this, the church endorses.
@@tiagomesquita6980 well, you should bring some proof of your claim, first. From what I know, in the Middle Ages girls used to marry at 15-16 with 25-26 guys (when they were settled off economically), on average, so it is inappropriate to talk about "young kids", almost like they were all pedos.
Second, you should distinguish cultural practices (subjected to human errors and changes) from magisterial documents, and show if the Church officially teached/teaches that it is appropriate for old men to marry young kids, as you say.
Then we can discuss.
Gay Activist: Why do you wanna stand in the way of love?
Me: I love my dog but I don't wanna marry it.
God says what love is, not men. The Church only repeats what God makes known through Sacred Scripture, revealed Christian Tradition, and exercised through the Authority of Jesus Christ. It is up to the individual to either be faithful or reject what God has made known.
@@jamesmartello1 I agree with you. But the Gay Mafia in the culture, would label you and me "homophobic" for speaking truth. The world is in a sad state because its lacks faith in our Lord.
@@pchuck1439 I think Kri S "barked" up the wrong tree by taking you on. You're right, and they do call us homophobic...and that's fine, just so long as they also call us Christian. 👍
@@jamesmartello1 Agreed!
Right on but that is next u will c the day when people will want to marry their pets. There are men Wright now fighting for the right to marry little boys. Google the nation association of man boy gay love. Then look up the amazing Devon on u tube.
I deeply love my friends. I don't get butterflies in my stomach and clammy hands thinking about my friends. There is a unique kind of love that is expressed romantically and sexually, and these feelings grounded in sexual attraction can be a basis for a deep and rich love that goes beyond mere sexual attraction yet is expressed sexually. That's why there's a sexual component implicitly to marriage. The fact that there is a sexual component to marriage does not entail marriage must be tethered to a reproductive purpose.
2:15 - methinks you grant Corvino too much credit. That's a definition you could expect from a layperson. A philosopher should be laughed out of academia for proposing such a loose, wide-ranging and simplistic description.
Perhaps that was just a summary of his position, but if he was so reticent in providing an explanation, that's all the more reason he should be given little credence on the matter.
The denial of the right to express the exact same love as someone else based on a single detail like the sex of the person you love is one of the most disgusting things about fundamentalist religion.
Christianity is a revealed religion, if it had not been so then there would be no Christians as a religion. And that everyone just got punked for the last 2000 years by Jesus.
These guys are far from fundamentalists lol
@@monkeymode7529 They lean to that side of the spectrum; they certainly aren't progressive Christians.
@@dinohall2595 because progressive Christianity isn’t proper Christianity just as fundamentalism isn’t, both seek to do something good but sacrifice other aspects of the faith in their attempts
@@monkeymode7529 they express same lack of knowledge, filling ignorance with self rightousness, faith, sometimes outright expressing disdain for knowledge, authoritarian leanings, not to mention quite literal interpretation of sacred scripture. Yes, a lot of people here are fundamentalists.
If Christianity is a religion of multiplication, what is the purpose of the same sex marriage if from this union new life will not be created?
I’m more curious to see what will happen when Pope Francis makes gay marriage acceptable within the church. Will Trent go with his “doctrine can change” route, or will he stand up for truth and the faith, even if it costs him his employment.
That won't happen. Sure he may be very liberal (you can read it as modernist if you want), but he isn't that foolish to go against the view of at least a half of the Church, that would cause a major split that he cannot afford.
@@filipschweiner1989 That sounds a lot more like politics than seeking the truth and doing the right thing.
@@kylejhartman Seeking the truth and doing the right thing consists of keeping the faith of the past while clarifying it and presenting it in a understantable way. I merely noted that those who wish to change the faith, and therefore do not follow truth, can be kept from doing so by the sheer amout of expected backlash that would occur. But yes if you look at the curia and college of cardinals there is and always was tons of ecclesial politics.
@@filipschweiner1989 "Seeking the truth and doing the right thing consists of keeping the faith of the past." No, that's an appeal to tradition which is a logical fallacy.
You all, mariage is not Christian from the beginning so stop being entitled to control who can be married based on your holy book. The word has a meaning for people who are not religious at all and they should have the right to have one if their relation is not punishable by the law.
@@loicgrossetete9570 but it has its base in nature, and it was never intended as an homosexual union
@@sciking8756 nature is plenty homosexual so I don't see your point, you even have things like snails where they do orgies and try to impregnate each other
What about children of divorced parents? There are probably hundreds of thousands of such children. Yes, the church doesn’t believe in divorce either, but there’s also kids born out of wedlock. For this reason, it’s ridiculous that the church thinks that the sole purpose of marriage is to procreate. Clearly, procreation can and does happen outside of marriage. There are also kids of gay parents, divorced parents, and unmarried parents and orphaned kids that need loving parents to adopt them, gay or straight. These ideas are dumb and outdated. Not to mention the harm this sort of talk causes to gay kids and teens who are not equipped to handle people treating them like second class citizens. I wonder what Jesus had to say about that.
hear are some ideas that should help If you are gay or know someone who is, this is important information! Sexual orientation is determined in the womb during fetus development. Various hormones are introduced at specific times to accomplish this .The fetus plays no part in this process. A person is, therefore, born with a predetermined attraction. It is, therefore, not a choice & consequently not a sin & not immoral. It is a natural expression of our species & found commonplace in nature. Intelligent research in this area clearly explains this process. If you are truly interested in truth, based on knowledge, the book Gay, Straight & the Reason Why by Dr. Simon Levay shows this with numerous research articles. If you want to understand the truth & have respect for yourself & others, this book will help. It also has, unlike the bible written over 2000 years ago by men that had no understanding of science, an extensive bibliography. I strongly recommend the book. The public must be exposed to facts & knowledge. It is an obligation for those who know the truth & must defend it. Don’t let the religious pull you down to their level of ignorance. Peace
You're defending marriage just as Lester Maddox defended fine dining from integration.
I'm a Catholic who happily supports equal marriage.
how can you hold that position as a catholic with Paul's writings, Leviticus, and the unbroken chain of church tradition regarding this notion?
And God blessed them. And God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it, and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth."
*Genesis **1:28** ESV*
*The first commandment God ever gave man kind...*
This isn't a great argument. Celibacy is a gift from God, but it doesn't produce children either.
For f sake it doesn’t matter if ur gay or not, the Bible doesn’t control your life and your decisions, if u let it control u, then will u ever be yourself? Yes u can follow it, but don’t ever let it take over u
@@bababoyer There's the thing tho, how can you be yourself if you don't even know yourself, what's the purpose of your creation, and what's your destiny? The Bible contains all of that, that's why we read it every day to know more about our Creator who created us.
I see myself as a scissor talking to the one who created me, and making sure that I will only cut things that won't break me apart.
@@raymk I do know myself. I don’t need religion to guide me. Although I am thankful for the gift to have guidance. Idc if god is real or not. I don’t fear him. But I don’t hate him either.
@@bababoyer Well, good luck with that. I hope for the best for you.
5.28
I would have no moral problem with such a arrangement
do you have a moral problem with facts knowledge & love ?If you are gay or know someone who is, this is important information! Sexual orientation is determined in the womb during fetus development. Various hormones are introduced at specific times to accomplish this .The fetus plays no part in this process. A person is, therefore, born with a predetermined attraction. It is, therefore, not a choice & consequently not a sin & not immoral. It is a natural expression of our species & found commonplace in nature. Intelligent research in this area clearly explains this process. If you are truly interested in truth, based on knowledge, the book Gay, Straight & the Reason Why by Dr. Simon Levay shows this with numerous research articles. If you want to understand the truth & have respect for yourself & others, this book will help. It also has, unlike the bible written over 2000 years ago by men that had no understanding of science, an extensive bibliography. I strongly recommend the book. The public must be exposed to facts & knowledge. It is an obligation for those who know the truth & must defend it. Don’t let the religious pull you down to their level of ignorance. Peace
It does in Germany.
You guys spoke a lot without really saying anything of substance
here is info based on knowledge , did this help ? If you are gay or know someone who is, this is important information! Sexual orientation is determined in the womb during fetus development. Various hormones are introduced at specific times to accomplish this .The fetus plays no part in this process. A person is, therefore, born with a predetermined attraction. It is, therefore, not a choice & consequently not a sin & not immoral. It is a natural expression of our species & found commonplace in nature. Intelligent research in this area clearly explains this process. If you are truly interested in truth, based on knowledge, the book Gay, Straight & the Reason Why by Dr. Simon Levay shows this with numerous research articles. If you want to understand the truth & have respect for yourself & others, this book will help. It also has, unlike the bible written over 2000 years ago by men that had no understanding of science, an extensive bibliography. I strongly recommend the book. The public must be exposed to facts & knowledge. It is an obligation for those who know the truth & must defend it. Don’t let the religious pull you down to their level of ignorance. Peace
So no conclusion 🥱
There are different kinds,of love,notably erotic and platonic love. Platonic love applies to universal love, example love for children, parents, relatives and friends. It is not erotic. There are relationships that are taboo according to the holy scriptures, the bible. Erotic relationships between 1. Parents and children. 2. Siblings and close relatives 3. With dead persona 4. With married people . 5. With people of the same sex. Items 1 and 2 is incest. Item 4 is adultery. The term love and love wins is a misleading statement. It's purpose is to confuse, notably the youth and the children. That is clear as stated n the bible starting from the book of Genesis. What is happening now is partly the negligence of parents who refuse to guide their children, do not care at all or is afraid to oppose new ideas that are contrary to God's design the natural law. I think the term equality and human rights has been misused. Reak Christians must make a stand and not just keep quite otherwise secularism will dominate our values and our youth will go to a wrong direction.
The church overlooks heterosexual couples sin daily and marry cohabitating couples daily or couples having sex not living together. This has been for many decades. I don't like when the church tries to say their rules are for gay and non gay couples. It's not. You will never meet gay people where they are when you pretend it's their not being heterosexual that is the problem. I've known so many friends, coworkers and acquaintances who are gay since I was in my teens. I really think some of this talk is from really not knowing or understanding anyone different from them.
hope this helps them understand ?If you are gay or know someone who is, this is important information! Sexual orientation is determined in the womb during fetus development. Various hormones are introduced at specific times to accomplish this .The fetus plays no part in this process. A person is, therefore, born with a predetermined attraction. It is, therefore, not a choice & consequently not a sin & not immoral. It is a natural expression of our species & found commonplace in nature. Intelligent research in this area clearly explains this process. If you are truly interested in truth, based on knowledge, the book Gay, Straight & the Reason Why by Dr. Simon Levay shows this with numerous research articles. If you want to understand the truth & have respect for yourself & others, this book will help. It also has, unlike the bible written over 2000 years ago by men that had no understanding of science, an extensive bibliography. I strongly recommend the book. The public must be exposed to facts & knowledge. It is an obligation for those who know the truth & must defend it. Don’t let the religious pull you down to their level of ignorance. Peace
Interesting
reminds me of end times warning of GOD the last chapter of the Bible REVELATION Chapter .(ALSO ARE YOU NOT WARNED YET FROM THIS POPE MAKING ALL RELIGION AS ONE WHEN GOD IS ONLY ONE?!).
GOD LOVES YOU !
Then I heard another voice from heaven say: “’Come out of her, my people,’ so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues;(Revelation 18:4)
Her means Roman Catholism who worship idol and Mary and Catholic edited HOLY
BIBLE to distract GOD'S children to know him to save their own souls and of others...
Matthew 7:15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves
John 14:6Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7If you really know me, you will know b my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.”
John 14:15 “If you love me, keep my commands. 16And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever- 17the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be c in you. 18I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 19Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. 20On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. 21Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”
John 14:23“Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them. 24Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.
John 14:25 All this I have spoken while still with you. 26But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name,
Marriage is romantic, sexual, and to an extent spiritual. It does not matter what is between their legs.
do you think this will help those who are focised on what is between their legs ?If you are gay or know someone who is, this is important information! Sexual orientation is determined in the womb during fetus development. Various hormones are introduced at specific times to accomplish this .The fetus plays no part in this process. A person is, therefore, born with a predetermined attraction. It is, therefore, not a choice & consequently not a sin & not immoral. It is a natural expression of our species & found commonplace in nature. Intelligent research in this area clearly explains this process. If you are truly interested in truth, based on knowledge, the book Gay, Straight & the Reason Why by Dr. Simon Levay shows this with numerous research articles. If you want to understand the truth & have respect for yourself & others, this book will help. It also has, unlike the bible written over 2000 years ago by men that had no understanding of science, an extensive bibliography. I strongly recommend the book. The public must be exposed to facts & knowledge. It is an obligation for those who know the truth & must defend it. Don’t let the religious pull you down to their level of ignorance. Peace
Why do we need to explain Scripture....Church does not bless sin . No debate
There is no such thing as Sin ok all it is is the original way of saying offend & am using a silly book to justify my ignorance & hate / fear. (Time to grow up baby girl)
can you drbate these facted facts ?If you are gay or know someone who is, this is important information! Sexual orientation is determined in the womb during fetus development. Various hormones are introduced at specific times to accomplish this .The fetus plays no part in this process. A person is, therefore, born with a predetermined attraction. It is, therefore, not a choice & consequently not a sin & not immoral. It is a natural expression of our species & found commonplace in nature. Intelligent research in this area clearly explains this process. If you are truly interested in truth, based on knowledge, the book Gay, Straight & the Reason Why by Dr. Simon Levay shows this with numerous research articles. If you want to understand the truth & have respect for yourself & others, this book will help. It also has, unlike the bible written over 2000 years ago by men that had no understanding of science, an extensive bibliography. I strongly recommend the book. The public must be exposed to facts & knowledge. It is an obligation for those who know the truth & must defend it. Don’t let the religious pull you down to their level of ignorance. Peace
God bless
Because it’s gay...?
Don’t call he can’t answer the real questions. The phone girl refused to put me through on a question about gay teens. They only newer what they know and that is nothing. Definitely no he’s a convert.
Because its a civil issue ! Not religious! No one business who you marry, you'll end up unhappy anyway!
The Church is part of society and those in the Church have the right to be heard on the issue. Marriage isn't something in a vacuum. It is something with rights extended by society, recognized by society, and therefore has impacts on society. It very much is "the business" of society how these civil unions are contracted.
@Kri S
Yes there is.
The aramaic text finds that man and women should be as one.
@@jamesmartello1 When the Church gets involved in government, it's is always the church that is the big loser. The RC Church has learned that the hard way. And in the U.S., like it or not, freedom of religion also means that I have the right to ignore your religious values, if I like.
@Kri S
But christianity was first introduced in aramaic.
Not english,or do you believe Jesus spoke in english too?😂😂
Save you the time. Reason is procreation. Yeah, it's a reason, not a valid reason to be not accepting of it.
Why isn’t it supported? Because God made 1 man and 1 woman to be married so they can become ONE FLESH
You're welcome to your delusions, but do not say that other people of different beliefs and orientations don't deserve the same human rights you have.
@@turksungerbob728 yhea these people are so full of s*it
My question becomes what's the difference between a marriageable relationship between a same sex couple and male + female couple which can't have a baby?
Marriage is Gods union of 1 man and 1 woman. Nothing else is marriage and sex outside of Gods marriage is sin.
@@therock3942 And 2 people of the same gender.
@@therock3942 You didn't answer the question. If the purpose of marriage is to unite the couple and to procreate, how can an infertile couple get married? And since the Catholic Church allows infertile people to marry without any test of procreation abilities, why can't they let gay people marry? There only seems to be a requirement for procreation when gay people ask to get married. Reeks of hypocrisy and discrimination.
@@kylejhartman It's the motive of people in charge forgetting the purpose of traditions they uphold. There were places at times apparently where such things would be controled. By today standards it would be pretty authoritarian, the church as of now, giving marriage to infertile and refusing to give it to same sex couble is just a weird middlestep. As if they got a little more progressive over the ages, and now they're in the process of being dragged all the way into modern era. As always.
@@Mish844 Same-sex sexual activities in Biblical times were always associated with gang rape, child prostitution, or pagan worship, all things that Hebrews and Christians obviously sought to avoid. But over the centuries, the context of these activities changed. A consensual, egalitarian same-sex relationship is never even mentioned in the Bible, because Biblical authors would have had no concept of such a relationship. It's weird to claim that the Bible means something today that it didn't mean then, at the time it was written.
It's good for society to recognize that same-sex relationships can be immensely beneficial for the people involved in them, as well as for the communities those people live in. Same-sex couples adopt and raise children together. Same-sex marriages have lower divorce rates than heterosexual marriages. And same-sex weddings have injected hundreds of millions of dollars into local economies. Same-sex relationships and marriages are good for many people in many ways.
No, it’s not.
@@Powerranger-le4up Why not?
@@Powerranger-le4up Hello? Why won't you explain yourself?
hope this helps ?If you are gay or know someone who is, this is important information! Sexual orientation is determined in the womb during fetus development. Various hormones are introduced at specific times to accomplish this .The fetus plays no part in this process. A person is, therefore, born with a predetermined attraction. It is, therefore, not a choice & consequently not a sin & not immoral. It is a natural expression of our species & found commonplace in nature. Intelligent research in this area clearly explains this process. If you are truly interested in truth, based on knowledge, the book Gay, Straight & the Reason Why by Dr. Simon Levay shows this with numerous research articles. If you want to understand the truth & have respect for yourself & others, this book will help. It also has, unlike the bible written over 2000 years ago by men that had no understanding of science, an extensive bibliography. I strongly recommend the book. The public must be exposed to facts & knowledge. It is an obligation for those who know the truth & must defend it. Don’t let the religious pull you down to their level of ignorance. Peace
@@kylejhartman
Agree Kyle,Christianity's whole sexual morality is extremely artificial. The good news is that their influence in the West is on steady decline and thats a good thing. More people,specially the young,are simply not buying into their outdated views
Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, Romans 1:26-28, Corinthians 6:9-11. That's why, because we follow the Bible.
@@chesssean Yes, he did say so. Is there a problem?
@@chesssean Lmao what verse? I've read most of the New Testament and the only thing I got from it, really, was that a servent must be obedient to his master, but his service must go to God, and not for earthly things.
@@chesssean I don't see a problem with that verse.
@@chesssean No, I do not. To me it is natural.
"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them, you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly." Leviticus 25:44-46
“Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.” Exodus 21:20-21
“And if anyone still prophesies, their father and mother, to whom they were born, will say to them, ‘You must die, because you have told lies in the LORD’s name.’ Then their own parents will stab the one who prophesies.” Zechariah 13:3
“If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.” Deuteronomy 22:28-29
“Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourself every girl who has never slept with a man.” Numbers 31:17-18
That's why, because we follow the Bible. :)
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you can support gay rights and be a christian. sure saying something mean is a sin but christians still usually allow freedom of speech
@@USNVA-yn6cp do you not support freedom of speech legally?
Genesis says “male and female He made them”. There’s not an assertion from Jesus about gay love, gay marriage or lgtbi. He always talked about heterosexual lov. Let’s be very honest. However, Saint Paul is cristal clear in Corinthians and Timothy about sodomy. He is one of the columns of the Church.
God made different kinds of people and Jesus never said anything... therefore it's wrong? Not a very compelling argument. Paul wrote against the pagan practices of child prostitution and sex slavery, not consensual, egalitarian relationships between adult partners. The sex wasn't the issue.(David and Solomon had hundreds of wives and nobody bats an eye.) The worship of pagan Gods violated the First Commandment, and that is what is being condemned.
@@kylejhartman What do you mean no one bats an eye? It's seen as a very bad thing that David tries to take in all of these wives. He intentionally has a Bathsheba's husband killed on the front lines just so he can bring her under his roof. It eventually divides his household and causes a civil war. The Bible does not point to characters in it and say act exactly like these people do.
@@loganleroy8622 Adultery and murder are not what I mentioned. Polygamy - having multiple wives - is perfectly acceptable in the Bible and several Christian denominations. In this regard, the relationships with hundreds of wives and concubines would likely not fall under a Catholic definition of that "heterosexual love" Guido mentioned.
@@loganleroy8622 "The Bible does not point to characters in it and say act exactly like these people do." Does that apply to the Jesus character too?
@@kylejhartman That's a misrepresentation of what I said. My point is that the Bible shows us examples of flawed characters who at certain moments, do great things. In these moments, these are the traits that we ought to try and emulate. However just because Abraham shows great faith in one moment, it does not mean we should try to emulate everything that he does. Christians believe that Jesus lived a sinless life, so it would follow that we should try to follow his example all of the time. Abraham's grandson Jacob is a great example of a character who has four wives and as a result, his family deals with huge divides, rivalry and jealousy amongst his twelve sons. The ideal image that is presented in the Bible is of one man and one woman who come together to form one flesh. In cases where there are multiple wives, it is always a major plot point that causes division, suspicion, and usually exile or death from the family.
A marriage in the Catholic Church called a *‘Josephite’* marriage does not have a sexual aspect to it. Although sex being permissible could still be applied to this perhaps, yet it is not the main idea of the union and to stand, that version - is a *celibate* marriage.
Agreed with all of the other points.
What about the point where St Paul states though, that there is no more Jew or Gentile and no more Man or woman yet only those in Christ?
Certainly though the actual order of marriage itself should be for and through and by G*d.
is thinking & loving people OK If you are gay or know someone who is, this is important information! Sexual orientation is determined in the womb during fetus development. Various hormones are introduced at specific times to accomplish this .The fetus plays no part in this process. A person is, therefore, born with a predetermined attraction. It is, therefore, not a choice & consequently not a sin & not immoral. It is a natural expression of our species & found commonplace in nature. Intelligent research in this area clearly explains this process. If you are truly interested in truth, based on knowledge, the book Gay, Straight & the Reason Why by Dr. Simon Levay shows this with numerous research articles. If you want to understand the truth & have respect for yourself & others, this book will help. It also has, unlike the bible written over 2000 years ago by men that had no understanding of science, an extensive bibliography. I strongly recommend the book. The public must be exposed to facts & knowledge. It is an obligation for those who know the truth & must defend it. Don’t let the religious pull you down to their level of ignorance. Peace
Lol, it is october 2020.
Wait ‘till they find out about Queer Platonic marriages.
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This is nothing but free-floating presumption.
Marriage is more varied than we imagine it to be, as are love and relationships.
Basing your opinion upon presuppositions is flimsy at best.
@@kyleg.1085 why are you⸮
I’m here to check in on the conversations that are going to effect the safety and wellness of Queer people.
And I have to say, the quality of the conversation is poor.
What a narrow view, and weak argument of using your religion to justify biased views. All love is holy and sacred, God is love. God created everything so everything is God, making everything holy especially love of all things. Christ himself isn't the man most generally conservative people believe him to be. Christ hung out with prostitutes, drunkards, tax collectors, Leppards and treated everyone as a child of God, no matter how sinful. Can the people who want to control human rights and freedoms not see that all of humanity is one and we all want the same thing, love.
Christ himself called all those same people to repentance though.
Legal marriage is a civil contract. It's not your place to deny it to others. Churches should be banned from issuing marriage licenses. Issuing licenses is the province of the state.
Exactly. Religion should be separated from the State
Here's the thing! Catholic church doesn't need to support homosexual marriage or officiate such marriages in the church. Let same sex marriages have the legal status. Church should have no say there! Let church and state be separate.
To try to muzzle the Church is to muzzle all Catholics. That is unconstitutional and unethical. The Catholic Church houses, feeds, clothes, educates, provides medical care, buries, advocates for the poor, provides justice, and cares for the elderly more than any other institution INCLUDING the government. No other church, institution, NGO, or agency comes close...NO ONE. We have more than earned our seat at the table and our voice to be heard.
@@jamesmartello1 You can keep Catholicism intact, what we cannot do is shove it down the throat who don't wanna anything to do with it. Let gays be gays! I'm not telling to you to accept gay marriage as normal but you can try not to go out of your ways to stop those outside the church.
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@@st.mephisto8564 People who have same-sex attraction don't need the Church's approval have the feelings they have. Those feels are neither sinful nor non-sinful in-and-of themselves. It's acting on those feelings that become sinful and compel the Church to use her voice. It goes to the very nature of what and who the Church is. That is the function of the Church. To proclaim the Gospel and calls people away from sin so as to have Eternal Life. The Church in part of society as long as those in the Church are part of society. We do not check our faith at the doors of the church or as we leave our homes anymore than a homosexual stops being homosexual when they leave their bedroom.
@@user-ks3qr5fk6m That is the point, really, isn't it? You don't understand. Part of the reason you don't understand is that you choose not to. If you were willing to consider the possibility that Catholics cared deeply for the good for homosexuals and wanted what was good for them, you'd have to opened your mind to the possibility and your ears and really listen. That just might disturb your views or cause you some discomfort. You can't allow that, now can you?
Oups. Pope now is against your beliefs
Nah.
The pope actually still doesn’t quite agree with gay marriage, he advocated for acceptance and compassion of gay people but he didn’t necessarily say that the church should condensed gay marriage :/
Now, he said he can't bless same sex marriage!
very confusing, a lot of beating around the bush, and weird comparisons. If you don't like gay marriage look the other way just like the church did with all the sexual abuse of children.
you are on target here If you are gay or know someone who is, this is important information! Sexual orientation is determined in the womb during fetus development. Various hormones are introduced at specific times to accomplish this .The fetus plays no part in this process. A person is, therefore, born with a predetermined attraction. It is, therefore, not a choice & consequently not a sin & not immoral. It is a natural expression of our species & found commonplace in nature. Intelligent research in this area clearly explains this process. If you are truly interested in truth, based on knowledge, the book Gay, Straight & the Reason Why by Dr. Simon Levay shows this with numerous research articles. If you want to understand the truth & have respect for yourself & others, this book will help. It also has, unlike the bible written over 2000 years ago by men that had no understanding of science, an extensive bibliography. I strongly recommend the book. The public must be exposed to facts & knowledge. It is an obligation for those who know the truth & must defend it. Don’t let the religious pull you down to their level of ignorance. Peace
Read the books, No Basis: What The Studies Don't Tell Us About Same Sex Parenting by Robert Lerner Ph.D and Althea Nagai Ph.D(2000)
and, The Caricature Of Love: A Discussion Of Social, Psychiatric, And Literary Manifestations Of Pathologic Sexuality by Hervey Cleckley M.D. (1957)
Read the Bible: God, Creator of All Things Seen and Unseen, (Eternity)
None of these post-modern psycho-sexual wackjobs know the slightest thing about Objective Truth.
@@jamesmartello1
Those books are probably offensive to you because you love homosexuals and agree with them getting married. You're the wackjob son.
@@Elsupermayan8870 I try to love everyone, homosexuals, criminals, prostitutes, as well as those who obey the laws of society and even you. But I don't agree with same sex "marriage" or these psychological breeze jobs that use psychology to attack the Church and blame celibacy for bad behavior. It's called sin, not some psychological failure on the part of the Church.
@@jamesmartello1 can you try this ? If you are gay or know someone who is, this is important information! Sexual orientation is determined in the womb during fetus development. Various hormones are introduced at specific times to accomplish this .The fetus plays no part in this process. A person is, therefore, born with a predetermined attraction. It is, therefore, not a choice & consequently not a sin & not immoral. It is a natural expression of our species & found commonplace in nature. Intelligent research in this area clearly explains this process. If you are truly interested in truth, based on knowledge, the book Gay, Straight & the Reason Why by Dr. Simon Levay shows this with numerous research articles. If you want to understand the truth & have respect for yourself & others, this book will help. It also has, unlike the bible written over 2000 years ago by men that had no understanding of science, an extensive bibliography. I strongly recommend the book. The public must be exposed to facts & knowledge. It is an obligation for those who know the truth & must defend it. Don’t let the religious pull you down to their level of ignorance. Peace
The first time the word “homosexual” appeared in any bible was in the Revised Standard Version (RSV) published on February 11, 1946. In the RSV’s translation of 1 Corinthians 6:9, the word “homosexual” was used in lieu of the Greek words “malakoi” and “arsenokoitai.” Many researchers agree today these words translate more accurately to “effeminacy,” and “pervert,” or “sexual pervert.” The decision to use the word “homosexual” instead of the accurate translations was voted on by the RSV committee.
Researchers Kathy Baldock and Ed Oxford discovered a letter written to the RSV committee by a young seminarian named David. In the letter, David points out the dangerous implications that could come with the mistranslation and misuse of the word “homosexual.” Dr. Luther Weigle, the head of the translation committee, wrote a letter back to David S. to acknowledge their mistake, APOLOGIZE, and commit to correcting their GRAVE ERROR. (These documents will be explored further in the upcoming documentary "1946: The Mistranslation That Shifted A Culture")
Unfortunately, the revised version of the RSV which replaced “homosexual” with “sexual perverts” wasn’t published until 1971 - 25 years after the mistranslation occurred. By then, other translations of the Bible had applied the RSV’s use of “homosexual” in biblical texts. The damage was done.
@@kyleg.1085 I'm not "blindly following" anything. I am evaluating the available evidence for a a proposition and reaching a logical conclusion. Also, you don't need to tell people to respond on RUclips comments. They either will or they won't, that's not under your control.
@@kyleg.1085 hey respond
The end of marriage is children, that's why
where did Jesus say if a woman is beyond having she cannot get married ?
truth If you are gay or know someone who is, this is important information! Sexual orientation is determined in the womb during fetus development. Various hormones are introduced at specific times to accomplish this .The fetus plays no part in this process. A person is, therefore, born with a predetermined attraction. It is, therefore, not a choice & consequently not a sin & not immoral. It is a natural expression of our species & found commonplace in nature. Intelligent research in this area clearly explains this process. If you are truly interested in truth, based on knowledge, the book Gay, Straight & the Reason Why by Dr. Simon Levay shows this with numerous research articles. If you want to understand the truth & have respect for yourself & others, this book will help. It also has, unlike the bible written over 2000 years ago by men that had no understanding of science, an extensive bibliography. I strongly recommend the book. The public must be exposed to facts & knowledge. It is an obligation for those who know the truth & must defend it. Don’t let the religious pull you down to their level of ignorance. Peace
@@dan69052 None of what you said is true. A very, very small minority are born with neurological disorders that make them this way, but the vast majority (three-fourths, at least) were made that way by childhood trauma.
@@RealAugustusAutumn read the book
@@dan69052 No, cope
Pretty sure that perhaps the LGBT movement and the actions that they are held accountable for are completely bizarre or for more or less “pronounced”. As in they make their sexuality their personality in such a way where the people of the church are repulsed by them. Think of just seeing a skinny, dyed - haired, screaming lunatic during a protest for gay rights... that gives the other side justification for their motives and following actions
Um no? Nothing gives the church the right to be homophobic
Homophobia is not a real thing. No one actually fears homosexuality or homosexuals. Anyone who pushes that narrative is brainwashed.
@@MissPopuri ah yes, even though we get killed in the street, hate crimed daily and bullied, of course homophobia doesn’t exist. Sweetheart, if you think that homophobia doesn’t exist even though it so obviously does, then YOU’RE the one whose brainwashed. Also, homophobia means a dislike or prejudice of gay people. Get your facts straight and do your research before trying to come for us okay ❤️
@@xx_blo0dy.valent1ne_xx Unless you can back that up with truth, I'd shut up about your own struggles. Everyone has struggles in life not just a sorry excuse for an LBGT.
@@MissPopuri you want facts, here they are bitch. Matthew Shepard was a gay student who was tortured, beaten and left to die in Wyoming 1998. 49 people died and 53 people were wounded at the Pulse Nightclub in 2016 during a hate crime that is the largest mass murder since FUCKING 9 / 11!!! A black trans woman named Breonna Taylor was beaten and killed by her boyfriend when she came out as trans. Discrimination against the LGBTQIA+ community has existed for so long. Please educate yourself, because saying this kind of stuff. You, as a non LGBTQIA+ person, have no right to say these things. And religion is no excuse babe
Marriage is the union of 2 people. Marriage AND homosexuality goes back thousands of years. Anti-homosexual views around marriage are spouted by Christians quoting the bible but we have evidence that shows homosexual sex dating back to ancient Greek times. It was never viewed as sinful, it was part of daily life.
More facts not dogma If you are gay or know someone who is, this is important information! Sexual orientation is determined in the womb during fetus development. Various hormones are introduced at specific times to accomplish this .The fetus plays no part in this process. A person is, therefore, born with a predetermined attraction. It is, therefore, not a choice & consequently not a sin & not immoral. It is a natural expression of our species & found commonplace in nature. Intelligent research in this area clearly explains this process. If you are truly interested in truth, based on knowledge, the book Gay, Straight & the Reason Why by Dr. Simon Levay shows this with numerous research articles. If you want to understand the truth & have respect for yourself & others, this book will help. It also has, unlike the bible written over 2000 years ago by men that had no understanding of science, an extensive bibliography. I strongly recommend the book. The public must be exposed to facts & knowledge. It is an obligation for those who know the truth & must defend it. Don’t let the religious pull you down to their level of ignorance. Peace
reminds me of end times warning of GOD the last chapter of the Bible REVELATION Chapter .(ALSO ARE YOU NOT WARNED YET FROM THIS POPE MAKING ALL RELIGION AS ONE WHEN GOD IS ONLY ONE?!).
GOD LOVES YOU !
Then I heard another voice from heaven say: “’Come out of her, my people,’ so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues;(Revelation 18:4)
Her means Roman Catholism who worship idol and Mary and Catholic edited HOLY
BIBLE to distract GOD'S children to know him to save their own souls and of others...
Matthew 7:15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves
John 14:6Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7If you really know me, you will know b my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.”
John 14:15 “If you love me, keep my commands. 16And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever- 17the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be c in you. 18I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 19Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. 20On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. 21Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”
John 14:23“Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them. 24Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.
John 14:25 All this I have spoken while still with you. 26But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name,
If God love all pople , why do you hate ?If you are gay or know someone who is, this is important information! Sexual orientation is determined in the womb during fetus development. Various hormones are introduced at specific times to accomplish this .The fetus plays no part in this process. A person is, therefore, born with a predetermined attraction. It is, therefore, not a choice & consequently not a sin & not immoral. It is a natural expression of our species & found commonplace in nature. Intelligent research in this area clearly explains this process. If you are truly interested in truth, based on knowledge, the book Gay, Straight & the Reason Why by Dr. Simon Levay shows this with numerous research articles. If you want to understand the truth & have respect for yourself & others, this book will help. It also has, unlike the bible written over 2000 years ago by men that had no understanding of science, an extensive bibliography. I strongly recommend the book. The public must be exposed to facts & knowledge. It is an obligation for those who know the truth & must defend it. Don’t let the religious pull you down to their level of ignorance. Peace