What can Godzilla do next?
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- Опубликовано: 18 июн 2024
- After Minus One, Godzilla is on top of his game. But other than just beating up King Kong, where else can he go from here? Let's see what other genres are doing...
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“I don’t want this video to essentially be me writing fan-fiction ideas.”
*furiously writes down fanfic ideas*
"Write that down, WRITE THAT DOWN!"
It's worth mentioning that Pacific Rim addressed "what do you do with a kaiju's body?" And "how can a kaiju be used for profit?"
They touch on it but they don’t explore it beyond the initial introduction. However, it’s much better than anything we’ve gotten from the MV so I’ll give you that.
@@geomy3814except they do? The first movies plot literally revolves around a dude using a kaijus brain.
Unless you specifically mean the environmental impact.
@@doverboi-lv3bbmore that Pacific 1 has so many ideas it doesn't get explored fully . Like the Kaiju cult
God Pacific Rim was so good. It fills a niche of mechs that just doesn't exist anywhere else. There are big walking tanks and there are gundams which are just fighter jets with feet, but theres nothing else quite like Pacific Rim.
So does KotM
You finally realized that the J in Kaiju isn’t silent
“And that’s why Godzilla: King of the Monsters (2019) is the best Godzilla movie ever!!” Wow I never thought I’d hear UHC say that!!
I can't agree with this opinion unfortunately. While the Kaiju Action there scenes are honestly peak of all cinema and certain ideas are Very interesting. It just can't Juggle the human cast correctly to make it worth it salt .
@@sufnskanne469 the cast matches the themes of the movie and the monsters very well, you should rewatch it and pay more attention. The corny jokes are only a way to grab kids attention
Wait did he really say that?
@@alcyon7536 I especially like how the father character is as an audience stand in for the big elephant in the room that kaiju regardless of alignment are very destructive and people who have lost loved ones to acts of god will generally resent that "god"
@@sufnskanne469Mark, the center human, isn't all too bad. The side characters for what they are could be worse, the real crime of a human character is Emma Russell, she is actually awful, but besides her they're not quite garbage tier. Probably like D tier average, with Mark rising to low B tier and Serizawa high C tier
I personally enjoyed godzilla x kong quite a bit, but undoubtedly the biggest flaw the movie had in my eyes was making the kaiju seem normal sized. The first time i saw Kong on the skeleton I thought it was cool, but ive come to think that it just looks silly. "Oh you thought these kaiju were big? Well there was something EVEN BIGGERER that lived here!"
I thought GxK is okay. Don't get me wrong, there are fun moments, and at least the Titans are treated like animals instead of monsters, but there are a lot of questionable things, the human characters are meh, and the story could've been better, and I can see why critics didn't like this movie.
@@prehistorichero2755This film is good at doing what it wants to do compared to most Godzilla films
@@sufnskanne469 You worry about your opinion, I worry about mine.
"There's always a Bigger Fish."
Honestly I loved the movie, but yeah that skeleton would be such a massive kaiju that it almost feels like it takes away from the weight of Godzilla being the “king” of the monsters, unless you go the giant herbivore route with it. Or hell, maybe they can make the excuse it was a giant sea serpent kaiju, so deep sea giantcantifcation on the kaiju level.
You have the uncanny ability to upload a video right when I'm thinking about your channel.
I know right? I would say it’s weird but I’m not complaining
Think about him more often i cant get enough of him talking biology
The fact that there's no Cold War focused Godzilla story is kind of shocking to me considering that he is largely a symbol of the post-World War II era. If Godzilla emerged at the end of World War II, the USSR and the US would fiercely compete for specimens and would rigorously study the animal's ability to generate, absorb, and expel nuclear energy. Any animal that can survive and thrive in nuclear fallout would take center stage in that era.
What about Godzilla 1984, Godzilla almost started a nuclear exchange between the US and USSR by blowing up a soviet sub. The US and USSR both want to use Japan as a testing ground for their nuclear weapons because Godizlla is headed there.
Godzilla 1984 lol
@@beedrillbot121 I guess my general concept revolves around the idea that Godzilla himself would be a strategic asset. Like the US and Soviets would harvest broken fragments of his dorsal plates to make more powerful bombs or intentionally lure him towards military targets to avoid direct confrontations. In 1984, Godzilla was more of a threat that both sides actively tried to dispose of. In my vision, Godzilla would be a natural resource that the USSR and the US would try to exploit.
@@samuraispartan7000 That movie sounds awesome, and I would love to see stuff in that setting.
@@ASpaceOstrich Well if we got a Vietnam King Kong movie we could always explore it someday
Kaiju do need to be big. Honestly for all its joek worthy content. Godzilla vs Megalon had one of the coolest sense of scale, with Megalon harassing a truck near a damn, while his feet reach the gorge
I'm tired of people acting like Godzilla vs Megalon isn't great. Some child drew an edgy verison of ultraman in the hopes that it would team up with godzilla, and by golly gosh gee willickers they also completely changed his design and character but they still teamed up to save the day against an evil Atlantian Beetle and Godzilla's greatest villian. Rest in peices Gigan.
You know what's funny? When you mentioned the human plot I remember exactly why I'm starting to love ultraman/ultraman franchise in it's entirety. Tsuburaya productions are the only people that can make kaiju fights and human conflict not only the centre of attention but they also managed to make me feel sad unlike any other property. I remember watching ultraman mebius when I was a kid and seeing the kaiju jashrine beating mebius almost made me cry. And I'm a huge fan of godzilla which is why I think ultraman should get the spotlight next since the kaiju franchise is getting popular.
and this is why the monsterverse don’t have any excuses anymore
when making sh!tass human characters all the time!!..
great comment btw
@@joshuagonzalez4183 thanks for the reply, as far as the monsterverse is concerned. We need more characters that can understand and interact with the monsters, like serizawa Gia and Brian Cranston. But with the current direction the monsterverse is heading, only time will tell.
@@user-oj6re6ju9tUltraman Nexus is deffinitly the best example of what you just said
The Kaiju's are great but dear god the Human plots are actually super interesting
It's Ultraman Gaia for me, as I was born at his time... If I'm not mistaken, he is the first (and only maybe) Earth-borne Ultra hero in alternate universe, manifested as the will of Mother Earth. I love the series as Gaia delves into the concept of Earth-bound kaijuu vs cosmic invaders. Besides the nostalgic bias, I was mesmerized by the allegory of dying environment as the Earth-kaijuu wreaks havoc and be cared by Gaia. Unfortunately, my love is stuck with the trio Heisei (Tiga, Dyna, Gaia) and the new century Cosmos.
Well Ultraman has the luxury of being a tv series with a lower manageable budget compared to CGI.
That is the Ultra franchise's strength that Toho Godzilla can't quite achieve yet as they prefer making standalone movies for most of the modern era
I’m excited to see what they do next, Godzilla is something my whole family likes watching which is pretty rare
I like that the Monsterverse and movies like G-1 and Shin G co-exist, giving two different "flavors" of Godzilla and Kaiju
It is nice to have the movies that are on different ends of the "fun" spectrum
Big G has a history of being a goofy reptilian superhero AND one of being a terrifying allegory for some of humanities worst actions
While I don't think that means that the Monsterverse movies need to be bereft of merit in an artistic sense, I would be fine if they continued to tell simple stories focused on Kaiju action, just doing the narrative better
And I think G-1 showed you can have an incredibly serious kaiju film be full of spectacle
The scene in the city alone is amazing
TL;DR I like the movies are in different lanes, but there is nothing wrong with mixing some peanut butter and jelly if it is done well
A big one a lot of people overlook is what 2019's King of the Monsters set up. Corny jokes and family drama aside, a good number of these points are brought up. The people do react negatively and then positively to monsters being real. Ghidorah's simultaneously an embodiment of climate change and a terrifying evil it takes Godzilla (nature) and humanity coexisting to defeat. Godzilla's reign as king of the monsters should be explored more, as it was in the Dominion graphic novel. Adam poisoned the well for quiet stories I think for now, but Godzilla's daily routine and relationships with other creatures and humanity should be explored more, especially since Godzilla has always being a character not just a metaphor or a beast.
As for the comment about size, frankly we've seen that a lot of past creatures in the MV were even larger. But it doesn't take the deepest powerscaling dive to remember that Godzilla is king for a reason. He earns that crown with blood and sweat every single day. With how powerful Shimo, Godzilla and Ghidorah are it seems likely that mile long monsters traded power for their vast size.
I agree with the Hollow Earth though, the oceans, mountains, jungles, canyons, etc make perfectly fine Kaiju habitats without something that stupid being made.
In the first 10 minutes of the movie,it is a discussion between Dr.Serizawa and the Council of World Leaders, where they try to make policies about Godzilla, and how to use or kill Godzilla. In the movie at the first opportunity they try to kill Godzilla and this attempt would have worked if Ghidorah hadn't escape unharmed from the explosion blast.
Yeah see the comment about Wingard really bites for me. I lovedthe first three MV films, and sorta liked GvK (its fights kinda sucked for a fight-based movie, ironically, the only genuinely kinda fun scenes were mg spiltting the skullcrawler and getting decapitated), I'd have a stroke seeing the new one. Ruined the design of godzilla, in my opinion, and yeah, knowing the direction wingards taking the series- making it all pure fun without putting any narrative weight behind the monsters (or literal weight, they feel tiny now), I don't think we'll be seeing much genuinely good Godzilla content from the MV, unless he somehow "sheds" his evolved form, so to speak. OR, what seems more strong, could be prequel films, maybe ghidorah's initial introduction to earth and it's guardian.
tldr: mv's taking lots of turns for the narrative worse, in my opinion.
Have you guys watched the Director Roundtable of the MVs directors at Fandango channel..? I'd recommend you check on that. It seems that they know what they are doing, moving the direction as the G-man itself evolves from the first contact to the goofy Showa era as inspiration. And, don't forget to watch Director on Director interview between Adam Wingard and Takashi Yamazaki at Imax channel. Adam also seems to genuinely respect Godzilla.
While it's nothing to the Godzilla policy, knowing the directors are fully aware of what they make, is reassuring. I think, regarding the cinema world, we can't deny the corpo's "policy" behind it, and not every directors/writers is on Scorsese-caliber to do their own vision in big cinema. It all comes down to exposure and money...just as this video said. Cheers guys!
Cheers to you, but I do feel like the MV's creative direction isn't super great for an interesting monster movie. If it was posed as more fantasy specevo I maybe could get behind it, but it unfortunately isn't. As UHC said in this video, the hollow earth makes the monsters feel too small, they lack the weight they used to have, that they truly need to feel like strange beasts. They feel a little too normal in the HE, if you ask me.
@@OsmolskaeVelo Monster Island would be a better choice. They still look huge but get their own place to hang out.
Y'know what I want. I want a Godzilla trilogy that is mainly focused on Godzilla himself. What I'm talking about here is something akin to a combination of the planet of the apes reboot trilogy with Caesar and the tonal maturity/gritty nature in Primal. Essentially the films would follow Godzilla as the main character with the first film being his rise to power fighting on primordial earth, the second film dealing with some form of extinction event where a majority of the kaiju die, basically in an unknown apocalypse, and the final film dealing with his resurgence during the dawn of human civilization ( as opposed to during the peak of humanity in the atomic age). And the films would essentially do what Primal did and just rely on the visual and audio cues to draw the audience in. But that's just one of the few new directions I wish to see the franchise take.
The closest your going to ever get is the Fist of the North star parody manga. Legendary's usage of what they can go with his character is heavily restricted and who knows when the next toho flim is and if its another reboot or not.
@@diegodankquixote-wry3242it's probably gonna be a Minus One sequel, to my dismay because Minus One is so good it didn't need a sequel or sequel set up
Your MH content is awesome, but my favorite content is when you branch out! You have such a great presentation style and way of framing speculative biology while teaching real biology
i will say, GxK did better story wise than either GvK and King of Monsters in my eyes. As the main character stuff in GxK revolved around Kong, so the plot didnt feel like it was just there to get to the spectacle, which Id say was the case in the previous films, which lessened the movies as a whole (especially in GvK), but instead with a kaiju being truly the main character we got a more cathartic arc/end for Kong. Doesnt need heavy themes to be a better story. And I also appreciate that they dont have shame in just being dumb fun.
I adore Minus One, but I appreciate GxK
"And another film coming out financially successful." Bro that is the most savage, subtle burn.
I don't like the Minus one fans who bash on the Monsterverse for existing and embodying an equally valid side to kaiju genre and Godzilla, if its financially successful people like it, if so many people like it its valuable
@@kennethsatria6607 That's a logical fallacy called 'Argumentum ad populum.' The Michael Bay Transformers movies, which are almost universally thought of as terrible, are also financially successful.
The monsterverse movies are terribly written. Full of plot holes and contrivances. Does that stop me from watching them and enjoying what they offer? No. Do I appreciate them as good movies? Also no.
@@Deadsnake989 I get the contrivacies, but I don't really recall a significant plothole.
@@Deadsnake989 have you considered that you're simply wrong and that they're only "universally" considered bad in your insular internet bubble? They were just incredibly effective with their target demo
@@broadclipcii4010 Learn reading comprehension, I said "almost universally." As for the rest of your comment. No, because my opinions are objectively correct, and everyone else is wrong. Even when they agree with me, they're wrong.
Friendly reminder that a serious movie about two monsters fighting was made in Godzilla raids again. It is actually a pretty good movie
I think you should have grandfathered Godzilla 1984/85 in the 'Godzilla: First Contact' category since it started the Heisei era and debuted a new Godzilla.
In any case, it's still a solid video.
I dunno, 84 is aware that 1954 happened so it wouldn’t be the first contact
@@mlgodzilla4206 It would be for that particular Godzilla.
I think the first pacific rim tackled delving into a world where kaiju exist really well. When the first jaegers rolled out they monetized and merched the heck out of them, watching the politicians bicker on where to place anti-kaiju funding and settling on the wall, the church in hongkong of kaiju worshippers, and of course the black market on kaiju goods where Hannibal Chow eludes to collecting selling even kaiju dung. I love pacific rim so much we could have gotten a whole prequel series and a while set of movies they literally skipped the first contact movie and yet every encounter is with a new kaiju so the fights in the whole movie is basically a series of the best parts of first contact movies
Godzilla's impact on the ecosystem it inhabits would be nice. I can't be the only one that would like to see a Kaiju movie without a single human in it. (People in rubber suits don't count for that) like what he doesn't get barnacles on him? No algae growing on him? Does he go to a cleaning station? Does he burn it off? What happens if he poops in the ocean? Does he shed skin like most reptiles? Does he have a dewlap? And mating displays? Does he clean his spines? Stuff like that.
the Monarch TV show did address some of the worldbuilding and difficult questions about how a world with Kaiju would look like, with Kaiju Bunkers and alarm systems incase Godzilla made an appearance and what would the radiation and damage done after the attacks look like
Although we do know unlike older kaiju and Pacific Rim kaiju these Titans actually are very energy efficient so the deadly radiation doesn't really last and we see in many cases Monarch simply uses it as a tool for covering up incidents and protect the public from the reality they're studying
Bro has an uncanny ability to honly publish videos when I can't see them
I personally found that GxK:TNE was very engaging when it focused on monster-driven storytelling, and I think this is the right approach. Rather than necessarily create the next great human drama which can be pigeon-holing as far as Godzilla critiques go when you get to a franchise-driven series like the Monsterverse, you go the opposite direction and make the next great monster drama, continuing to build on the stars that people really wanna see.
You can't have enormous scale forever as we get acclimated to things not feeling as giant nowadays, so what do you do to make the monster battles more impactful? You give said battles emotional stakes, by making them fights driven by characters we love and get invested in. The characters in question just so happen to be giant skyscraper-sized beings who end up having a huge impact on our world as a result.
I think more solo outings are better suited to human-centric stories, whereas the action packed fight-driven ones are better suited to monster-centric stories. This is why I was fully in support of Adam Wingard's idea of the next Monsterverse film exploring Godzilla's character the same way his 2 films explored Kong's, and I dearly hope that idea is kept in mind and capitalized on by Grant Sputore now that he's the director helming the next film.
I don't want to hear anything from George RR Martin until he finishes Winds of Winter...
If
At this point its not a matter of when but a matter of if.
Elden ring was worth the sacrifice.
I can vividly imagine a post-kaiju movie that’s basically Threads but with lasers and giant monster carcasses.
Personally I’ve always liked Godzilla being a mailable character he’s always been. Which is to say Godzilla can pretty much represent whatever the writer wants with varying degrees of success.
While I prefer minus ones more dark and gritty elements the Monsterverse is something I don’t mind either.
It’s the type of movies you watch with your mates on a Friday afternoon but I wouldn’t necessarily say they’re bad just a bit meh is all.
Fantastic as always.
this is the first video you made that i heavily disagree with, the whole point of GODZILLA x KONG is to put the audiences on the MONSTERS PERSPECTIVE, to give the series something new to spice things up, being able to give this CGI CREATURES their own personality and character moments without a single dialogue is amazing.
simply going to another MINUS ONE or another human perspective is going to saturate the film faster than MCU.
I definitely think the Hollow Earth and Alien Monsters is where the Kaiju films will go next, exploring how humanity copes with no longer being the apexes of earth, and sitting on a literal second world full of energy and resources, and having to contend with Kaiju. Biollante is my personal hope, as it ties all of these in a nice knot as its man made, a threat to kaijus and humanity, and has a greater connection to the overaching themes of the natural world and our place in it
GxK actually talk about oppressive rulers and government over reach and colonialism . Does it do to well ? Is another question but these questions are asked .
But, if Kaiju aren't part of a supersized mega ecosystem, what the heck are they supposed to eat?
That's a good question
Fish, according to Toho!
@@unnaturalhistorychannel ...but Toho never put the kaijus in an ecosystem
@@unnaturalhistorychannelUHC, love you man
But kaiju consuming fish as a trope last I checked started with Godzilla 1998, which isn't Toho but rather Tristar
I'd love if Legendary took the route of the Games: King Ghidorah was from space, I want a space invasion using kaiju. Give me Gigan. Give me Orga. Screw it give me MEGALON. All the alien ones.
ORGA MENTIONED GRAAAAHHHHH
(Also Megalon isn't an alien he's from Earth the only reason he's an alien in Unleashed is probably because he has close ties to Gigan. Megalon is a subterranean "god" of seatopia)
@@IndominusRex-wc1ey put em in there regardless
@robertfaucher3750 nah, not with the aliens. Megalon should be a hollow earth "god" worshipped by a distinct sect of Iwi, who goes insane over a gluttony for nuclear energy, leading him to Kong (who he should promptly defeat), resulting in him drilling to the surface, being met by Godzilla and put down either for good or for the time being
GXK is not without a good story, maybe it has a hard time telling the messages but Alastair of Dangerville puts into perspective a beautiful story about the Kong species. The King of the Monsters movie brings up climate themes as you mentioned, maybe a bit too shallow but it is there.
Bernie god Forsaken as he is is used to ask the ideas of Colonialism and if something should be known because it's likely hood of exploitation.
You know am glad their are two Godzilla for different people on one side theirs ones that can serioes and dark and other is films that’s just to entertain people cause Godzilla is such a versitile character
Where can Godzilla and the genre go? Absolutely anywhere that requires him to be plot relevant
I hate when people say The Boys is "what superheroes would actually look like" as if the idea the people would use power to help others is some childish, unbelievable fantasy
Superman IS what superheroes "would actually look like" because a good man using them well is just as "realistic" as a bad man using them poorly
The Boys shows some superheroes trying to help people though. A bad man on a power trip using his powers poorly - and people supporting this - is as realistic as a good person trying to make justice. Both archetypes can exist.
@@RajastegaIMO the boys just feels as celebritys with superpowers being horrible or good
I understand what you are saying, there's a lot of people like "yeah, people as selfless doesn't exist" wich is totally false and they are just reflecting themselves.
But at the same time, I think it's more difficult than that. Superman is childish in some way because the world doesn't work like that, you don't have supervillains. What would Superman do in Gaza? In Ukraine? If he only works in the US did he intervened in the "January 6 United States Capitol attack"? (I'm not from the US so I use the therm in Wikipedia) He does something in violent protests? When people are being evicted by the police?
I think most people won't do what superman does, at all. What does rich people do with their money? Famous people usually go against the system with their influence? I think most people would try to be in a job with their superpowers, in the government or an entreprise, and would help citizens but like any other job.
What I'm saying is, while I'm with you that there would be people trying to do the good thing I think it's very difficult in the real adult world to be as selfless and not affected by difficult things like politics etc as superman is.
@@Lanval_de_Lai And then that brings up the issue with vigilantism
The Incredibles is the most realistic depiction of Super Heroes, powerful individuals brought low by a system designed to put down the individual.
"First contact films include the very first Godzilla, G98.."
I'm still of the firm opinion that G98 hardly even qualifies as a Godzilla movie.
You’ll be coping for the rest of your life
@@Mrcryptidsarereal Quite the opposite, actually. Already made it past the acceptance stage of grief.
@@Mrcryptidsarereal Well, since Toho doesn't recognize G98 as Godzilla, it looks like you're the one who'll be dealing with a lifetime of coping.
On one hand, I agree that there's a lot you could do with the worldbuilding, but it's also true that most people thought the exposition dumps were one of the worst aspects of the previous movies.
That being said, I disagree that the newer movies haven't really addressed these questions.
For example GvK shows that there are bunkers for specifically titan attacks, while in GxK we hear that verious governments aren't too happy with Godzilla, while Monarch insists that they must let him do his job.
And in both movies we also see that Monarch closely monitors the situation whenever a titan shows up.
1:58 Well, I don't think that's necessarily true. It's really more that each "first-contact" movie is a remake of the original, which is a moody film.
God I wish we’d get a Godzilla movie like this
Because I love the series, I should mention the web serial 'Worm', as it does indeed answer the question of 'what is our Godzilla policy?'
Unexpected to see another video so soon buts it’s welcomed
I recently rewatched Kong Skull Island and I have to appreciate the fact that they went all in on the South East Asia setting with various species native to the region like massive water buffalo, or a giant Pacific Octopus which do come into shallow waters occasionally. Kong appears to be based on the older outdated models of gigantipithicus when they believed it was a hominid, which were native to that region. Even the skull crawlers appear inspired by Asian monitor lizards and Komodo dragons, which fun fact was the original rival to King Kong in early production. No seriously he wanted to record a real gorilla fighting a Komodo dragon on a sound stage and then he was told that was stupid and unethical and that if they did stop motion kong could fight a T-Rex. And that's how we got here, so I appreciate the homage to the stupid idea
I'm surprised you didn't include shin godzilla. A movie about just how unstoppable nature and human policies created godzilla the embodiment of a disaster.
I mean, even the orginal Gamera tackles the fact that because Gamera is an ever present threat that can show up anywhere, along with him making drastic climatic changes by messing with the oceans currents and the nuke that woke him up changed the earths axis. People not directly attack by him are being affected by him.
I think that a new Kaiju movie that expands upon Gamera or Godzilla would be great. Though given that the company that owns Gamera is going into bankruptcy again and Monsterverse being allergic to the concept of telling a good story. I don't think we will get a movie that tackles that soon.
I feel like kaiju and mecha media are making a slow return as genres and I love it. I hope the momentum builds until it can legitimately rival superheroes in the box office, though that's probably too optimistic.
I think alot of the cut godzilla movies have good ideas on what else could be unexplored ideas on what else to do with godzilla. Godzilla is a pregnant and must return to her planet to lay her eggs and her son rebels against the planet's evil tyrant, or Godzilla is a tool of God going to used a weapon to wipe off human in a biblical judgement, or godzilla has to fight a giant insane city which is a new verison of jet jaugar for some reason, etc. I think there's a lot of compiling ideas for Godzooky still left to do.
I feel like Minus One can kinda set up something like that. A Cold War era setting, it’s already been established that large, prehistoric animals are roaming around, and it’s during the heyday of atomic testing. It’s ripe for its own cinematic universe.
The main thing is the Cold War. The US and USSR scrambling to get their hands on these huge monsters to get a leg up over their rivals and simultaneously cover up that they were probably involved in their creation or mutation.
TL;DR, I wanna see Rodan fight fighter jets in Vietnam, goddamnit
I do like the idea of Kaiju just being really big animals we have to find a way to coexist with, they don't want to destroy us they're just so big that they're a hazard to us just going about their daily business. You can also bring up some ethical arguments with the Kaiju being here first before we built highways on their migration paths & shopping malls in their breeding grounds...
Think of Monster Hunter mixed with District 9...
He COULD be in the background being badass. But he SHOULD be in the front ground being badass. Like… HAVING THE OR EQUAL FOCUS IN THE MOVIES WITH HIS NAME IN THE TITLE. Monke is a proper character but… Godzilla’s cool to, people come to see the Kaiju fight not get character development. And Godzilla does the fights, so give him more focus in the movies. Simple as that
I've always wanted to see the hollow earht tackled a bit harder, see the ecosystem and maybe some other civilization that made it down there that isnt a dinosaur island movie but with an occasional matte painting.
That last argument about scale cannot be understated: the only way to establish scale is by showing the _difference_ between two things, where one of those things (e.g. humans) is an objectively known quantity.
Otherwise, "if everything is kaiju-sized, _nothing is!"_
Godzilla!
Real
Godzooky!
I think why we see these giant skeleton in GxK, is that it’s supposed to imply that these beasts and can get *Much* bigger and the proof is there as Godzilla is actually getting bigger. But I can understand you plight, I just thought it would be cooler to know. I mean hell, Kong is a whole lot buffer than he was in GvK
I think the idea of a heist movie featuring Godzilla would be a cool idea for a movie. Godzilla is manipulated into attacking the city, and the robbers rob Fort Knox or some equivalent after the city is evaluated.
This would have been a solid Showa era plot
All of what you describe fits Godzilla vs Biollante to a T. It delves deep into how Godzilla’s existence affects every day life and has fantastic worldbuilding that Legacy of Monsters wishes it has.
Godzilla..... IN SPACE
A Space Godzilla is peak fiction, it should never been cancelled. It would have been the best star wars rip off ever.
Thats actually been done. Twice.
Already done.
(don't know if you mentionned that in the video, hasn't start yet)
One cool idea for future Monsterverse Godzilla would be to make him & the humans even more radicalized to build a true conflict between them :
a guardian trying to keep the peace, slowly getting fed up of everyone's selfish desire, destroying the world, HIS world. Staying on the track, not to fall into hate, being merciful and still getting backstabbed. I would love to see Godzilla having an Injustice Superman arc and going full dictator on the planet, being too strict in his way to protect Earth. Heck if Godzilla could roast humanity, i could see him saying this line from Miguel O'Hara (spiderverse) : "And all this time i've been the only one holding it together"
World governments seeing too many of their cities destroyed (San Francisco-Boston-Hong Kong-Las Vegas-Washington D.C-Honolulu-Janjira) while still being mostly powerless. But among these catastrophe the worst one might be Rio De Janeiro from the last fresh movie : 4 Titans destroyed Rio in a span of a few minutes. Millions died here because of them. No one had time to evacuate. I want to see in the next film the magnitude of destruction these titans did to the city & the retaliation of humanity against the titans. Like shutting down Monarch (cuz they could be far more competent) or at least fully controling them like a sort of mcu Sokovia-accords. Invading the Hollow Earth (like the GxK novelization seems to incite)
We have a good base for a Kaiju Godzilla-solo movie with a sauce of geopolitical thriller.
In regards to a film with no dialogue, Valhalla Rising is a favorite of mine that would fit that description. This is also the movie that introduced me to Mads Mikkelson, a good actor.
GUYS HES TALKING ABOUT GODZILLA!!!
+Unnatural History Channel
@Unnatural History Channel
I've love to see you do a video on the lifeforms of Hoxxes 4, from Deep Rock Galactic- examining the various "Kingdoms" of life on an alien world, as well as how the world might be responding to invasion by the Company (DRG), and perhaps some examination of the Rockpox Plague.
One thing is for certain. I don’t want to see a movie of only monsters, humans are intertwined with the franchise
This is a pretty good video, even if I have some minor problems. But first, I am going to talk about some of the potential the Godzilla franchise has for discussing climate change and other serious topics. With the potential being actually born of what you call Godzilla et al movies, with Hedorah being perfect for being reimagined as a allegory for climate change for example.
But now, unto my problems. First, while I respect that you are discussing how GRRM does things differently, and I do respect him for that, his descriptions of politics has itself been critiqued for being vastly oversimplified when compared to actual medieval political structures, and his military descriptions of how things happen....are not as good as he would have wanted, with the ACOUP blog(a blog by ancient and military historian Dr. Bret C. Devereaux), pointing out that his descriptions of military tactics and strategy is actually less accurate then the way Tolkien did it. By the way, I do reccoment that blog, it has a lot of interesting articles.
Secondly, while the Boys show can be considered a good criticism of celebrity culture and police brutality, and it is a legitimately interesting take on the superhero media, the ways it uses superheroes as parts of the capitalist machine kind of needs a single origin for superheroes, one created by one corporations, and would not have worked if superheroes could appear without the influence of Vough, or if the creation of superhumans had a different source then one under corporate control.
Things can go vastly different depending on how superhumans originate.
Still, great video.
Grrm isn't perfect for sure, and I love Devereaux's blog as well. As well as his sometimes questionable tactics for battles, he can also misrepresent or ignore cultures he claims to draw inspiration from, and seems to have a jaundiced view of how lawless and violent things were in medieval times as well. Though I think Devereaux does also say Tolkien isn't perfect with some of his battles either, but perhaps more so with Jackson's more dramatic adaptations of them.
Agree re: The Boys too - I don't think all superheroes should be like the boys I should say. I still enjoy Batman and a lot of his interpretations after all.
Some brainstorms:
We can have period movies form monster universes like how Godzilla rage across time comics handled the story. Even maybe what if scenarios where we can explore different topics with underaged 20-40 min shorts (like Star Wars Visions) even with different art styles, we can have independent non Godzilla movies (maybe more for Toho) where classic monsters have minus one treatment and try to retell the topics covered in their source material. Monsterverse can have a pandemic movie cause by meganulas and megaguirus fleeing from hollow earth from rodan. Maybe hollow earth plants that make their way to the surface (kaiju poops) and have breeding activities that destroy cities (like legion plant in gamera 2) and mothra or other kaijus need to deal with it. A titan experiencing overcharge and starts contaminating earth with radiation (burning Godzilla topic but with other monsterverse monsters). Make the monarch timeline into movies or series (mothra discovery, rodan temple etc):
Theirs a difference between Godzilla blowing up Tokyo and Tokyo getting blow up while Godzilla is dealing whit another monster. hopeful we get some info on what Rome policy is since he seems to have made the coliseum his new home.I'm reminded of Godzilla during the millennium series were several plot points do deal with him being an existence that is know and understood but also policy regarding him. Godzilla 2000 follows the G preservation society that doesn't want Godzilla killed or destroyed in spite the extreme damage he causes as that they can learn so much from him. Godilla vs Megaguirus where his attacks sway domestic policy first is making Japan drop Nuclear fission then drop nuclear fusion since both attract him.And the two part Mechagodzilla where the Mechagodilla was made using means so against nature Mothra and fairy island offer for her to take over protecting Japan from Godzilla as long as Mechagodilla is no longer used. And lastly Godzilla vs Biolante where the value of the G cell leads the CIA to hold Japan hostage with threatening to release Godzilla against Japan if the Godzilla cells are not handed over.
I can't help but think about whaling when i am thinking about kajiu :
There is this historical event of a sperm whale that for some time terrorized the roman fleet in the late days of the western roman empire ,
Eventually they managed to make it beach itself and hacked it to bits ,
I feel like it shows how differently the technology of pepole will affect their ecology :
In roman times ships sucked , they where frail and unable to handle rough seas ,
In the modern period you had ships wich could circumnavigate the earth and that is also the time in wich humans became able to hunt whales full time ,
And stuff like spermaceti was now a regular shelf product ...
What was previusly either an elusive creature that could just avoid humans if it wanted or the thing that terrified the strongest empire in the world and warranted a concentrated effort in order to take it out , became a thing that was almost hunted to extinction , and it's blubber got burned for light or used to lube typewriters (it's no wonder a lot of really complex mechanical machines became mass produced around the 1800 , spermaceti was just that good of a lubricant)
But yeah it mostly feels like godzilla would turn back the clock : back before the british empire in when venturing out to see was veritably a gamble , and road travel with the silk road was the better way to do trade ...
But yeah this was a massively simplified overview of things ,
All our best efforts in the end always lay upon the biosphere , there is no conquering it anymore than you can conquer a nation or slaves : for a while you'll be in awe at what you'll be able to do , until the phisical limitations of what you have hit you , and by then you'll have forgotten how to be indipendent ...
In the same way surviving without fire , rope , flint or a groul is impossible for a human ,
We reach high because we stand on a lot of things ,
Whipping those things because they don't allow us to reach higher will make us fall the hardest
For an interesting take on the kaiju thing and some really excellent world (and kaiju) building, might I suggest The Kaiju Preservation society by John Scalzi?
Based on the trend so far, just add more back spikes
We have been living in a Kaiju renaissance.
Dude a video on the boys would be cool!
Will we ever get an ecology video for the Mutos? Out of all the MonsterVerse Kaiju, they're by far the most fleshed out in the regard.
Man... youtube doing you dirty... took them 2 days to push this notification. Gonna sit a while and listen.
You should make a video on the carnivores dinosaur hunting games. It takes place on an exoplanet where dinosaurs evolved independently from the earthling ones.
Crops grown with only the finest Kaiju manure.
I was just about to ask when the next video would be. Anyway GODZILLA
Didn't King of the Monsters (2019) show like a brief glimpses of answering those questions 11:05 throughout the movie?
the most critically acclaimed Kaiju Films always have there monster be a metaphor for a greater issue with humanity, just given corporeal form. Some of the highlights of the genre include, mostly, the two big ones:
Big G: Obviously a metaphor for the bomb and the horrors of war, but recently showcasing other facets of tragedy, like Shin representing the bureaucracy of disasters, and Minus One being representing Shame/Guilt, for those who fought in a war they lost. Another, lesser known facet is GMK, where Godzilla represents the flipside of Minus One, and a big inspiration for it as well, in that he is literally possessed by the ghosts of Japanese Soldiers and victims of their crimes, and wages war as vengeance for Japan whitewashing their history and sweeping the horrors they committed under the rug.
Kong: Originally a lens for Imperialism/Colonialism, and yes, Racism as well. The Original has this portrayal of Kong representing the "Foreigner" who just cannot fit in with today's modern society, so why try? Better to leave them to their jungles and their squalor. I would Argue Kong already has revisionist takes in Peter Jackson's Adaptation and the Monsterverses' Skull Island. Jackson's is a lot like the original, taking Kong, this other, and exploiting him for entertainment, but the tone is very different, showcasing the wrongness of what is going on, through the hypocrisy of Jack Black's Character going on about proceeds to the families of the dead, and the main actresses horror at what is being done to Kong. Placing the Blame on Kong's Death not on "Beauty", but by the people who exploited him in the first Place.
Skull Island Takes this a step further, using the context of the Vietnam War to further the madness and hypocrisy of what Kong is. A general that cannot accept he lost the war going out of his way to kill this "Other" as retribution for what he could not kill, Viet Cong. The whole movie just practically screaming "Just leave Kong alone, he knows what he is doing!" In this sense Kong's Original Metaphor is reversed, bringing the historical context of Kong further in the future also allows the idea of colonialism/imperialism/racism that Kong Represents to move further along as well, and to see it as the abhorrent idea our current society holds it as, and allows the powers that be, politics aside, to just leave them alone, they can handle themselves.
So all this to say; Asking where the genre goes next is just a question of "What's the next metaphor that can be given physical, destructive form?"
Most modern audiences this day would say "Climate change/Pollution." There have been movies that have attempted to address this, like Pacific Rim and Godzilla 2019, but most agree the metaphor doesn't hold. That why I propose a simpler, more focused idea that can make it clearer to audiences.
Godzilla is Coal.
Picture this, taking into your account about GoT taking place after the happy ending, what about a film that takes place after first contact, but humanity won? Godzilla is dead, and we killed him. Now the area where his corpse resides is being harvested for profit. The Government claims is "clean energy" as long as you don't reside within a 100 miles of the body, as his corpse has irradiated everything and destroyed the environment, and everyone mining him is everyone that's left after everyone fled, and were the ones too poor to pick up and relocate. Godzilla mining is the only work in town.
You can still have action. Maybe Godzilla is actually still alive and escapes, or maybe another shows up different from the dead one. Either way, it ends the same. It dies again, and the government has a new source to profit and harvest. You still get kaiju action to put butts in seats, but ultimately the story follows human characters dealing with the ecological disaster of their community and location, and being used by the government until they go somewhere else, and realize the only thing left to do in the community was just taken from them, and they have nothing but ecological ruin.
Sorry for the essay comment, but your video mirrored a lot of thoughts I have had about the big G, and its one of my favorite franchises, Great video UHC!
*Godzilla is coal?* godzilla will always be a gem.
Also Godzilla, as a metaphor for nuclear energy, once fought pollution is the peak fiction that is Godzilla vs Hedorah.
@@diegodankquixote-wry3242Oh, Godzilla will always be a diamond in the rough 😊
But I was just using his name as a placeholder, doesn't have to specifically be him. It was more just about having the monster essentially being treated as a resource.
It helps shape the narrative a lot better, as all the points I listed about Big G in the beginning, all refer to specific parts of the War. The way it ended with the bomb. The PTSD of the Soldiers, the crimes committed in War. All more specific than just Godzilla is War.
Many have attempted to input climate change themes into Kaiju films, but haven't been done very coherently. As much as I love godzilla vs hedorah, I have to put that in that list as well. Narrowing down such a wide theme helps give the narrative structure, as seen in Minus One. Taking a real life situation happening in many parts of the globe, and applying a kaiju filter on it, will help give the idea many creators want to make more into focus I think.
what about the heisei gamera films? as far as i know gamera is not a clear allegory for something
Godzilla 1984- excuse you?!
I think there can be a way to remove people/people be a lesser part, still have Kaiju feel big, and a good story. A show that's in the vein of Primal. Dougherty has wanted to do Godzilla B.C, that harkens back to the days of Harryhausen.
Pacific rim does show off how the world reacts to kaiju is Pacific rim in uprising they show off a black market selling kaiju parts (the most interesting part of the film) and the netflix animated show pacific rim is all about siblings surviving in a quarantined Australia because Kaiju have overrun it
Wasn't Pacific Rim Uprising a fan film?
Speaking of Pacific Rim, I do think it has building blocks of the Godzilla policy. Obviously, the Jaegars serve as the deterents to the Kaiju. While I don't remember if merchandise is made from them I universe, as the Honest Trailer for Pacific Rim 2 said, "Watch as someone proclaim the mech's names as if they were in a toy commercial". Technology adapts, as it's a plot point (read: excuse) that Gypsy Danger is still nuclear powered unlike the rest, which were built after it. I do believe there was a plot point in PR1 about using the Hammerhead's blood for "research".
The point about removing humanity from the Kaiju view is especially poignant in my eyes. At that point, it'd just become a nature film with a peculiar set of ecology. That in of itself isn't bad, and fits the transliteration. But could you call it a kaiju film at that point?
0:45 you forgot 1984 and shin godzilla.
2:08 even the heisei movies got their goofy moments
16:57 that's the point of the hollow earth. It's so massive that it makes the monsters look small by comparison. But they're still massive.
The idea of Godzilla being just a glorified mesopredator is actually kinda interesting
Considering how Wingard portrays Godzilla this is a pretty funny conclusion to assert that Godzilla is portrayed in any way less of a king of monsters . Wingard actually portrays Godzilla as king of the monster's he is . The narrative is tied to his actions and he isn't beholden to humans and they're whims like monarch in 2019 or second fiddle to in the narrative like the military in 2014 . In the Wingard Films Godzilla is king of all monsters , shows up rips apart anything that gets in his way. Military Kaiju you name it . They're is no doubt about Godzilla handling a problem in these movies because Wingard portrays him as the king of kings .
I think the only reason why Kaiju fans hate human characters is, while some of you know it's just poor writing, in my opinion, because Kaiju characters are literally too big for human characters to be written as it made humans as nothing more than just ants to them regardless of the tone and cinematography. HP Lovecraft's Call of Cthulhu justifies it as the story focus on what happens if humanity encounters something that defies all reality, such as a monster the size of a building, and become more terrified that we can't even comprehend. When it comes to Kaiju movies, it's hard to balance the humans and Kaiju characters, which the Heisei and Rebirth Gamera films are the rare ones, and it's the definition of what happens if you try to make something "bigger" and "badder" than we've seen before. That's why fans freak out over the 2014 movie because Godzilla is written as an antihero battling dangerous antagonistic monsters that are too big for the human characters that are the main focus, which makes it hard for audiences to root for them. Sure, we've got Joe Brody and Ishiro Serizawa that people root for despite being killed, but that's because their motivations connect to the creatures audiences wanted to see. The reason why Ultraman is one of the most popular at the time is because we've got a protagonist the franchise focus on who can grow into Kaiju size which allows him to fight other giant monsters. Pacific Rim, while the movie does have its haters (and those who want to nitpick it) because it's the same thing how people feel towards alien invasion films like Independence Day and James Cameron's Avatar, is also a success because we have humans piloting giant mechs that merge with them and battle Kaiju that are basically biomechanical machines controlled by an alien race. This is why I prefer writing dinosaur stories because, for me, it makes the character development much easier, and if I make a story about colossal creatures while focusing on the characters, I would've write it as Cosmic Horror-esque and kinda like something out of Cloverfield (without the found footage cam).
I’ve just watched the entirety of The Future Is Wild which got me thinking of this question; could they survive on Skull Island (both the 2005 version and the MonsterVerse version)? Given that you’ve brought up this show a few times, but haven’t given it it’s own video yet (at least I think you haven’t), do you think maybe you could make a video about wether or not the creatures of The Future Is Wild could survive on both versions of Skull Island? And if so, how much of them would we have to change so they could fit the aesthetic of both universes?
I've always liked the idea of a kaiju's destructive path being used to symbolize organized abandonment of some neighborhood over others. maybe have the kaiju be easily repelled, but the tech to do that be reserved for gated communities until the third act?
Always makes me sad when I think about the monster verse kong design. If he looked like an actual gorrila it whoud have been great
I recomend you to check the Weird Birds ARG that was made kind in responde of JW Dominion
@Unnatural History Channel have you considered doing videos on the mutants of STALKER and Metro 2033?
i know it´s a bit of a Silly Thing to ask but, What about a video on the Topic of Animated Animals?
IDK With me haveing a Show Called Quoll Alone with 8 Episodes and likely After Getting another Project done i might focus on the 9th one i think it might be fun to see that, on another note i might also be about Talking Animals too in General.
My heart skipped a beat when you skipped Shin Godzilla at the "First Contact" lineup
WHAT A WONDERFUL DAY! :>
Are we thankful for the words of *CAESAR*
One thing ive wanted from monsterverse is to dive more into the hollow earth ecosystem, and why there seem to mainly be predators in hollow earth and no herbivore species of kaiju. For example, kong, warbats, drownviper, etc, all carnivorous species and we rarely see any herbivorous species. I would just like them to explain the hollow earth alot more, but thats just me, i suppose.
A lot of the creatures of skull island seem to also be native to the hollow earth, so things like sker buffalo and various others likely fill that niche of herbivores. And since Kong's species are apes its likely that they are also at least partially omnivorous, we just see Kong eating a lot of meat since it's rich in energy and he gets to fight more big monsters to get it.
great vid but i was hoping you would touch on pacific rim to really hammer in the point
You think we could make a video on how to train a Raptor/Dromeaosaur
I asked for your opinion on my hybrid dinosaurs after your Jurassic retrospective video, may I ask for your opinion on my Godzilla design?
Well now that we now he can go super sayin rose/ barbie hes either going to go back to his roots and go Oppenheimer and have the most devastating atomic brethe ever or go ultra ego
Spec evo short on giant animals?
This isn't related to the video, but seeing as the new movie just came out, would you be willing to talk about A Quiet Place and the aliens from that series?
Why hasn’t a MV movie had terrorist use a orca to have Godzilla attack stuff
That's pretty much already the plot of KOTM
Did you not watch the events of GVK?
Also the Orca is not exactly a common knowledge device, its literally why its such an important invention in KOTM that they can't just recreate.
@@matteomastrodomenico1231 Well technically its Ghidorah and Rodan being awakened to attack stuff not Godzilla whom the public has come to trust more
Like I said that would be GVK's plot and done by Apex, shady corperation instead of terrorists for a change
Fight.
I do appreciate the balanced view and giving the context around that infamous GRRM quote as the braindead mouthbreathers on twitter like to sperg out about for no real reason other than it's popular and the tv show ended like shit therefore all of it must be shit. I may have my own issues with martin but his writing is superb and going "bbut it's not as good as tolkein" doesnt mean anything. It's truly great writing but very different from what tolkein wanted in his books so they're not really comparable in the way the twitterites screech on about. I really love his books, some of my favorites, shame he cant get up off his ass to finish the series he started 2 decades ago.
Great video again.
Are you saying GxK New Empire isn't riddled with pathos?