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JEANNEAU 410, No BullS*%T, just a sailboat tour
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- Опубликовано: 8 апр 2024
- We are not strangers to the Jeanneau Sun Odesy 410, yet this boat surprises me every time I step aboard. No matter what you think about production sailboats today, Jeanneau has been re-writing the rule book for the last few years.
Ive been watching your fantastic videos for a while now, so much so that you have inspired me to get out on the water......I start my comp crew course on Monday.
That's great news, I hope you have a great time and soak up every minute. Comp crew is a good introduction to sailing and if there is a yacht/sailing club near you you can sign up to crew for people. This is always a good way to meet people and get out on the water. I think it's brilliant that you are going to get out sailing and thank you for following our channel. Let us know how you get on, please.
Hi! A very interesting boat, loved the internal configuration, specially the main cabin's bed. Very clever and better for sleeping on a passage, I believe. I found great it has a space for everything and the two cabin seems interesting even for longer passages, with an extra freezer and storage. That'd be my version. Maybe an extra fuel tank too. The kitchen is very nice, I don't know why so many boats feature a giant saloon and a small kitchen. They probably don't cook and only est biscuits :) The cockpit space is also very nice. The only point I found can be somewhat difficult to use is the emergency rudders placing. But the idea is not to use it :)
TRhanks for the video, nice as always! Fair winds and all the best!
Not having a waste disposal unit in a very large single sink frankly to me is one of the biggest failing of nearly all boatbuilders tbh.Add in a trash compactor, and issues for liveaboards then largely disappear imho.Best Wishes. Bob. 👍🌟🌟🌟😊
Two cabins would be our choice, with extra space for kit and toys. Nothing wrong with biscuits but yes most Gally's nowadays are set up with just a microwave and a hot plate, which is no good to man or beast. I like hot food on passage and normally something that I can put in a sandwich the next day with the leftovers, ( don't tell anyone but I once put left-over pasta in a wrap for lunch when on watch).
@@SVTONICBoatWives Hmmmm... I'll try it :) Food will be nice the day we're on the same boat!
@@SVTONICBoatWives generally two cabins make sense though there are some Sailboats where nothing is lost in reality by having three Cabin’s but you gain a cabin that is easily converted into a workshop, space for a freezer, a washing machine etc. Those ones I actually prefer to the two cabin versions, as a single cabin refurbishment tends to be easy, fast, and relatively cheap, with the bonus of generally being able to fit in an extra house bank of batteries as well. Speaking of batteries, there’s a real Game Changer Lifepo4 battery now on the Market which has a terrific Construction and BMS . Now its capabilities are such that for a very long service life and reliability, those capabilities MUST NOT Be USED. They can be both charged an discharged at 200 amps ! Built by Li Time, in various sizes, the perfect one to me is the 12v 230 ah Plus as it only ways less than 65 pounds. That means if there’s a fire, they are easy to chuck over the side before the fire gets to them. As is normal with Lifepo4 they need to be charged at 0.1 to 0.2 C, where C is the total capacity of the battery Bank. Discharge needs to be at a low rate, and definitely NOT on the scale of disastrous Fas charging, so me, I’m aiming for a bank of three 230 ah Olus, and a limit of 75 amps total charge and discharge rate ( that means an extremely low stressed 25 amps per battery. All electronics hate being stressed, from cables, to equipment to batteries, and I think these Li Time ones are the first Lifepo4 that are capable of providing a service life of over Twenty Years ! Barring accidents like Lightning strikes or charging them at sub freezing temperatures I’m really looking forward to testing a Bank of these tbh. Best Wishes, Fair Winds, and safe travels.Bob. 🤔👍🌟🌟🌟⛵️❤️
PS another plus is shaft drive, though issues with the Yanmar Saildrive are now over as far as I’m concerned anyway. Bob.🤔👍🌟🌟🌟❤️⛵️
Prop Shaft is always preferred i am with you on that, but there are exceptions like with the Allures 45.9 as their saildrive (depending on keel option) is very well protected with the centreboard skeg.
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Bravo!
C’est excellent! Tu es excellente!
Cheers!
Oh merci beaucoup !
Many interesting aspects but it does make me realise how good our Jeanneau 39DS is. Be interesting to see what the two cabin is like. I suppose it has two heads like the 42DS used to have. There is no doubt that when you only need accommodation for two there is the opportunity for more storage.
I like the older DS line, and back in the day my Day skipper ticket was done on a Jeanneau 36 so I do have fond memories of them, You can have just 1 head on the 2 cabin option if you wish.
I have had a couple of Beneteau yachts over the years. Both a long time ago. One was 37 feet and the only new boat that I ever bought. That ended up in court because of a major delamination problem. The other was an ageing First 501 bought from a charter company in Saint Martaan, which gave years of fun. The build quality on both was so so. The second was cheap, so who cared? Where are Jenneau versus Beneteau in quality now. I was going to order a new Oyster until they told me that I would die some years before they could deliver. Oh, well, back to my Old Contessa or Molly as I call her. Or is that the wife? Nurse! Is it time for my pills?
I love the Benneteau first line, but I would take your Contessa any day of the week. 😁😇😘
Another great detailed video.
Not the boat for me but well shown.
Thank you,
Tyvm
your welcome,
Great timing for this look see tbh, as I might well end up with a SO 410 in shallow Draft and in mast furling.I’m no longer worried about the problematic Yanmar Saildrive, since the introduction of the upgrade kit for the formerly problematic Cone Clutch. Finally sorted and job done. The only thing left that would bugger up the purchase is if Jeanneau have ruined it for Cruising with the installation of Twin Rudders, maybe someone will start doing a single rudder upgrade kit, or I’ll get one of the single rudder earlier models I suppose.Other than that, it looks like being a comfy liveaboard.,Thanks again for the look see, and best wishes. Bob. 🙂🌟🌟🌟❤️⛵️
Ah nearly had you sold on that one Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh. I think you will see in the future that most yachts will be twin rudders as the beam gets bigger they will be forced to change just to stop people from killing themselves. Once you are used to twin rudders it is easy to see why they are so practical, I know you are old school and it has taken me a long time to convert but yes I am now on the dark side of the rudder debate. 😁😁🙃😇
@@SVTONICBoatWives Well anything is possible I suppose, and heck I have even come around to split Cockpit tables .🤣Best Wishes. Bob.👍
Thanks for the great video⛵️ Jeanneau 410 is one of the boats that i consider as a price/performance boat. Could you give us more info about current prices?
yes, sure, prices at the show may differ from today but a standard model Jeanneau 410 starts at around 260.000/280.000 euros and fully loaded will take you to 380.00 and upwards excluding VAT, This boat can be well optioned out with lifting keel and all sorts so it all depends on what you want to spend your money on. Glad you liked the video and I hope that helps?
@@SVTONICBoatWives Thanks for your detailed explanation 🙏
@@efegulbaahce You are welcome.
My favorite 40 footer is the Sirius 40DS. However, I assume the Jeanneau is much cheaper?
Sirius 40DS is one of my favorite boat too, but we are talking about 800 to 900K full equipped... and this one could be +-400k
@@marcoquiros1393 your not far out on that price, one fully loaded is around 380,000 before VAT.
Nor bad at all!
Sirius boats are really well built, lots to like about them use in cold Climates. However, if contemplating use in the Tropics, there are several serious issues unfortunately.As a Deck Saloon is basically slapping a fully glazed Greenhouse on top of a Monohull, Removal of Heat and controlling Heat can be a Real Problem. In the case of the Sirius, that problem is severely exacerbated due to the lack of interior Volume and lack of headroom which can badly compound things, as things are a bit tight, getting a big enough air conditioning unit on board, and a generator to run it lacks the needed space imho. The Jeanneau Sun Odyssey Deck Saloon is a Hybrid one though, lacks the “Greenhouse” as a result, plus has lots of internal Volume a,ing with excellent headroom, so is very easy to prevent he insides turning into a Sauna in the Tropics, fans can generally nove enough air, and there’s enough internal volume to easily fit air conditioning and a generator, the or batteries for large enough 12v systems. Fr places like the Baltic, the Pacific Northwest, and Northern Britain, the Sirius models to me, are about perfect and in their proper niche ? Unfortunately for me, those aren’t the places I’m headed for, as I badly need up to about Five Years in the Tropics, and perhaps need to stay for the rest of my life. 🤔 Best Wishes. Bob. 👍🌟🌟🌟⛵️❤️
@brownnoise357 Hi Bob, is that based on testimonials? And would you say the same about the new Moody's? I'm a bit skeptical for two reasons. First, the most popular sailing vessel in the tropics these days seems to be the catamaran, which is basically a deck salon sitting on two hulls. Second, because intuitively I would expect vertical windows, like in DS to reduce the greenhouse effect and also provide better ventilation than hatches. Not sure why a DS should suffer more from the sun than a regular one.
Hi! What about video Jeanneau 410 vs Dufour 41?
There will be one coming soon, I am working through all the boats we filmed at the BOOT Dusseldorf boat show first just to see what you guys want.
Excellent video as always, regarding this 410 I think it is a great design, both in performance and layout, my option would be two cabins and one head and that large space for toys and so on. But my big concern is the quality of the assembly and the materials used, it is a big complaint from the owners of this new generation of the Sun Oddysey, panels that fall off, poor finishes on the wood, even an incident in the Baltic where one of this 410 lost the bow thruster completely and the ship sank. What do you think about it? (considering she is a production boat and not a Sirius 40DS or HR 40C etc.)
Ah, the great production boat quality test, not many people know this of me but when we moved to France 20 years ago I was employed by a company that made grain silos, to manage a team to produce moulded parts for Jeanneau I:E the deck for the DS range and all the heads etc. I can be objective because I understand they are built to a price point and today the materials used are very different ( glues and resin, etc) than even back 15 to 20 years. Still, the main problem is the quality of staff isn't what it once was and as these bigger production manufacturers contract out a lot of the build processes, there is no way they can keep an eye on quality. Today things at Jeanneau are different I believe but don't quote me on that.
The hard choice for new owners is not only what to buy but budget as well, nordship has a great DS too and in June we are test sailing the Alubat 370, which is a similar price to this 410 and I would take the 370 over the 410 any day of the weak, but as you know 85% of the production boats will be in charter and the rest will be weekend sailboats.
It's a nice boat and I think it's about time Jeanneau let us test one and Beneteau, Hanse, Dufour, etc so we can really let you know what these boats are about. Would I buy one? well if I was looking for a small boat for coastal sailing then maybe.
I believe that the problem these days is not so much the outsourcing of production, many companies do it and I am not only talking about shipyards, the problem is the competitiveness in prices that causes standards to be taken to the lower limit just to pass a certification. or so that it fulfills its useful life limited to the years of service in charter companies in the cases of sailboats. while second-hand consumers or better yet, that 15% of consumers who are looking for a sailboat either for their needs or tastes, to live on them as a cruiser or even to spend the odd weekend on it, feel relegated. , there are already certifications (A,B,C,D) that supposedly tell you what the boat is capable of, but there is nothing that tells you how many years of use that boat is capable of lasting, and I give you an example, Me! My boat is now 23 years old and the parts of it have definitely reached their useful life or are in that process. I have taken care of her with love and dedication but I already spend more time repairing her than sailing. and it's frustrating because you see boats from the 70's with less maintenance in better shape than mine! I think that with your experience you should make a video about that and how the market is these days for that 15% that is marginalized by the market. I mean, there is nothing on the Internet that deals with it... is there?
@@marcoquiros1393 A very valid point, and yes it would make a great discussion for a video. I topic that hits the mark is the A,B,C,D etc ratings for me it is like the emissions ratings on cars, completely worthless unless you are looking at true blue water manufacturers. So I think we shall dive into that as well.
I don’t think the situation is assisted frankly, by the number of Sailboat users who pay no regard for the stresses they on boats by driving everything at 100% or More?As ifvthey are sailboat racers or something. Then things start breaking and wearing out extremely fast and very expensively. Start adding in things like lightweight hulls and extra tall Masts and extra sailcloth area,and a strong gust of wind can instantly up forces on sailcloth and suddenly stresses are way over 100%. Frankly that’s a big part of why I’ve become a convert to in Mast Furling, and all furling headsails with powerful electric winches, and sails with solidly built Triradial construction reefing points. To Favour Reef Early and Reef often to depower hopefully before needed and alerted to do so via single rudder weather helm. Jence my strong emphasis on Cruising and abhorrence of anything associated with Sailboat Racing, which doesn’t mean that the boat you sail is travelling unreasonably slowly. Somehow, apart from after being sunk by wreckers, I’ve always managed to get where I have intended going to, but then for me, Sailing has always been about the journey, and the destinations are a very pleasant bonus tbh. Adjusting to newfangled things does end up happening. Heck I’ve never had a Sailboat fitted with a Bow Thruster for example, and have never needed one. Then it dawned on me, what a brilliant bit of kit for emergency steering ! I like backups of backups, so I might well have one fitted to the next boat. 🤔 Best Wishes. Bob in Wales.👍🙂🏴❤️⛵️
Cabine de proa, com desenho diferente.
Obviously ......
yep, obviously;)
Great vid girls but, why have designers decided that it’s ok to “hide” the life rafts??
It seems it’s more important to have a glorious clean lined boat without the safety!!!
Crazy!!!
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It’s mostly for practical reasons for the charter market as I suppose life rafts are not very nice to look at. Most of these yachts will never go more than 25 Nm of the coast. I understand where you are coming from though as I would always want my life raft easy to deploy.
The life raft stowage is brilliant, as you just slide it out into the sea without having to lift a heavy device. Definitely a great feature.