I’d been holding back on making this video for a long time but knew that I had to talk about it eventually and I’m glad it’s also given many the chance to share their experiences in the comments. We have to be real about things, not just the good things but the not so good things too if we want to be better. Thanks for taking the time to check the video out!
As an Ecuadorian American I have heard about this through my Ecuadorian family and it has been the hardest to deal with. Although this can also be experienced In other parts of the world, I‘ve never experienced it so deeply rooted to the culture. Something else I’ve experienced culturally as a returned Ecuadorian who left at 8-1/2 years old and returned to retire here in Ecuador two years ago at 63, is the “returned syndrome,” which is when Ecuadorians treat “gringos” better than other Ecuadorians, last the returned Ecuadorian. It’s like the Ecuadorians feel that they have to cut our “returned” legs off, to bring us down to size, sort of speak, to show us we are no better than they are. It is quite daunting. At first I thought I was overly sensitive, until my gringo friends also were noticing and unprompted by me, point it out or mention it to me. I have other “returned Ecuadorians” who also experience it.
Everyone I’ve encountered in Mexico has been very friendly and helpful. I accidentally left my phone in an Uber and the guy went out of his way to get it back to me.
This is on point. As an Ecuadorian, viveza criolla is the only thing I hate about my country, no wonder why we have so much corruption- it’s rooted in the culture. Latinos complain all the time about our corrupt politicians but can’t see that they’re just a reflection of us. I have very strong principles that don’t go with Ecuadorian culture, for example, I would never ever bribe a cop, like most people do in Ecuador (I really mean it when I say MOST people do that) I even moved to Europe because of this, NOT because of the crime!
Well, if you're stopped at random checkpoint in Manabí (and you live in Cuenca), and the transito cop there refuses to let you leave without a bribe, there are only a few limited options -- especially if your vehicle has any sort of noticeable defect. I had a burnt out brake light that I was unaware of, and I either had to pay the bribe or get towed away. That could have been a bluff, but being 7 hours from home kinda puts you in a tight spot. By the way, I've been hit up there at that same spot three times, and each time I had to give them something or I wasn't going to be allowed to continue on my way.
I so appreciate and respect your honesty. You’re 100% correct and until now, I never had a name for it. As someone who has lived and visited Ecuador many times, I have seen these examples many times. I can also attest to the fact that it also exists in Brazil where I have similarly lived and worked. Doesn’t make me appreciate these places any less but these insights help to explain dismaying behavior that we sometimes see. Thx you again, ace.
I lived in Manta, Lima, and I'm in Medellin right now. Whenever I see a motorcycle on the sidewalk, I say it out loud. "If you don't like my driving...Stay off the sidewalk." I lived on Flavio Reyes across the street from the park, and people would drink at the park all night and play their music with no regard for the people sleeping who had to work the next day. I would lose it at 4am
WOW, Excellent teaching, I love your definition of “viveza criolla” rooted in your American/Ecuadorian life experience. Few people talks about it, and I understand their reasons. I have studied cultural anthropology, sociology, psychology in Ecuador as well as in the states and I never heard from any of my professors about the “viveza criolla”
Im glad you are talking about this. I’m Ecuadorian-American and this is something that is rampant in our culture and in Latin America as a whole. What’s worse is many immigrants bring that same frame of mind to the countries they migrate to when that’s one of the problems of their countries of origin to begin with. Great vid, Ace! Saludos desde NYC! I’m subscribed!
I've traveled a good bit in S America and plan to retire in Panamá. As a gringo, I see viveza criolla as a local version of what I see in most countries, certainty in EEUU. I appreciate your integrity in declaring this acceptance of corruption as deplorable.
I would not agree that this is part of all cultures. In my experience, this is definitely a Latin American thing. I have seen it and heard many of my in-laws discuss it in frustration.
@kenswindle4860 I didn't see any such behavior in Japan. I think it may stem from a mistaken belief that others deserve the mistreatment because of resentment for unspecific past behaviors. This kind of thinking has been greatly inflamed by academically endorsed cultural Marxism, a retreat into tribalism.
Finally an honest talk about Latinos that everyone has been turning a blind eye to. I live in Southern California and I have been dealing with Viveza Criolla everyday and it wears down on your spirit. I am seriously considering moving away from the Latinos concentrated area because of this negative energy. Thank you very much for your sincerity and courage to speak about it. We can only fix things when it is put into light. You get a thousand thumb ups for me 👍 👍 👍 👍
"viveza criolla" just seems like a romantic way of saying "selfish, rude and inconsiderate to others". Whether it's being late, playing music while people are sleeping, driving fast through a neighborhood, or cutting in line...
I use the words "Reliable Corruption". It's how we get anything done. This is also a "favor" economy which is how we make and keep "friends in good places". Great video, brilliant.
It's certainly alive and well in Costa Rica. I moved here 30 years ago and speak fluent Spanish (according to people here and in Medellin that I know). I didn't know there was a term for it. People talk about "tico time" (Costa Rican time), but I think that's all a part of it. I get so sick of people meeting me and because I look so Northern European, they assume I can't say a word in Spanish and 30 seconds later they're looking for a way to take advantage of me. It has made me very leery of trusting people, that's for sure. A real emotional drag.
The reason no one talks about this term is probably because there is nothing specific to Latin America about it. You will find most of what you described in Russia and other post-Soviet countries, as well as in Southeast Asia, the Middle East, etc.
Fascinating concept. I’ve only been here a little over six weeks and I’ve seen cases of where I was “gringoed” at the Mercado. Just yesterday a lady charged me a dollar for two tiny limes and a small red pepper. I know it was only a dollar and it wasn’t like I couldn’t afford it…but I know the previous day I bought a lime three times the size for a dime. My lesson is I won’t go back to her. She might have the most beautiful limes in the mercardo but I’m going to avoid her produce booth. I remember giving the previous woman that charged me a dime for the bigger lime a fifty cent piece and when she gave me .40 cents back in change I told her to keep the change . I did it because to me the ten cent lime was worth way more to me than a dime. And looking back her respect for me in that case was worth way more than the forty cent tip.
Overpaying for something small like that doesn’t earn respect in this culture. If you pay 50 cents when the price is 10 cents the vendor will think you’re silly and asking to be taken advantage of next time.
@@FallofftheMap Silly? Ignore that his forty cent tip brightened that woman's morning. You should change the name of your channel to "I moved to Ecuador because I'm a cheap bastard"
@@scarlettjewell8092 exactly. Folks that criticize expats for being cheap because they don’t overpay don’t understand Ecuadorian culture and the negative effects of overpaying.
Great video thank you for your honesty 🙏. We retired here in Costa Rica 3 years ago and are residents. I totally relate to everyone you said and most RUclipsrs are just promoting the paradise side of living abroad. Even with the negatives of living abroad we except it , live among it and Emersing ourselves into the Culture, people and History. We live in an all local Tico Neighborhood and all our friends are locals and we know all our neighbors and we do celebrations with them ❤ and they are always so helpful to us and they always let us know when we are getting Gringo priced with Labor and will stand up for us !! We love the Latin American People and we Love our lives here. However we are NOT the gringos that hang around all the foreigners and bring our American lifestyle here. We left all that behind us and living here simple in a beautiful Tico home we purchased 2 years ago among all local people. This was a Blessing for us to learn the language 🙏and the Locals!! We still are not fluent in Spanish but we have learned alot from living here with our Local friends and neighbors. They always want to practice their English with us and we want to practice Spanish with them. The driving gives me anxiety however if we just have the mindset that everyone is going to pull out in front of you or the Motos are splitting lanes on all sides and they are going to run the red lights and stop signs then it makes us more cautious and you need FLY EYES 😆 that can see all around 😉. We are here to stay because this is our home and Country we feel is home to us and the people we want in our lives. Thanks for sharing this topic 🙌PURA VIDA 😊.
As a US expatriate who's lived in Ecuador for over 10 years, I agree with your assessment 1000%. The lack of a sense of personal responsibility and the inability to admit guilt when they do something wrong is probably the most frustrating. Then there's what we expats refer to as the "Gringo Tax," meaning that we typically pay more for everything there. Because I speak Spanish, I can (and do) negotiate prices for things, and local Ecuadorians tend to respect you more and be willing to negotiate when you can speak the language. Thank you for your openness and honesty regarding this topic.
In India, we have a similar term: "Jugaad" Same issues that you mention are prevalent in the Indian subcontinent, and it was only when I was exposed to a Western Society (The Netherlands and Germany) in my early adulthood that I was exposed to a completely different world! - Price hike for foreigners (especially for Westerners), sometimes, even within India, since we are a nation of extreme variety of cultures - Adherence to the law only to avoid repercussions! - Lack of responsibility - inability to take responsibility - Corruption (connections/"pahunch" and money/"rishwath") We have other problems, like, apparent different treatment (in practice, of the Law) for the elite compared to the poor or simple! Just last week, a rich man's "elite" son at 17 runs his Porsche at 160 km/h through busy streets after midnight and kills 2 adults! And he got a VIP treatment from the Police, until the people (through social media and the almost "lap-dog" media) raised their protests, so that the Police started becoming serious!
About the working topic, it’s called “palanquear”. Very common in the public sector in all Latin America. Happens EVERYWHERE in the world but in latam is like 10 times worse!
Hello GM Ace! Ace, I truly appreciate your candor and honesty in describing a horrid trait that you identified while living in Ecuador after spending your formative years in the USA. From someone that has lived and traveled in several countries - I can tell you that what you call 'viveza criolla' is more of a moral flaw deep within our human nature. I have personally seen it rear its ugly head in different cultures and settings. It is not, by far, localized to Ecuador, Latin America or the New World for that matter. Please note that I am not defending Latin American culture nor stating that it may not be endemic in Ecuador or in other countries BUT as they say, the truth will set you free. 😉 Be safe
This is a very frank and honest explanation. Good job Ace. Just got back from two weeks in Ecuador and had an amazing time. We didn't make it to the coast, but I found that engaging in conversation and getting to know people really dispels a lot of the misconceptions and potential hazards. Thank you as always for all the effort you put into your work.
This is one of the main reasons that gringos leave Ecuador or chose to not make it their home. Viveza criolla is why immigrants are Gringo'd (cheated) and why such kind, loving people are not always trusted, as their lies are expected to be accepted. & yes, these are lies. Choosing to allow viveza criolla to be such a major part of the culture, is so disrespectful. For instance, the incredibly loud music played all night, so one cannot sleep or showing up 2 hours late, or not at all without a valid reason or apology. I, one who loves Ecuador and Ecuadorians, am having second thoughts about moving to such a culture.
In 2002 I went to Quito for the first time, to take Spanish classes, and my teacher told me about Viveza Criolla. I thought it was very interesting (and still do 22 years later ha ha).
Hahaha it’s pretty cool that your teacher told you about it. When I got here (back after having living in the states) I had to learn about it through the actions and interactions with people and of course the people who complain about it.
Wow, thanks for putting a name to what I’ve observed in my almost two years of residency in EC. Still enjoying EC and just appreciate life as it is here.
Thanks a million GM Ace.... Haven't seen you for a while in here but, what I just hear you say now is, what I've experienced in many European countries as well.. I think it has more to do with humanity than nationality.. Many years ago, I did a job in Osló, Norway and, I was there for roughly 6 Months.. I met this Brazilian guy and we spoke about our differences and similarities in our countries. - Before we finished our talk, we had come to the agreement, that most of our experience is very much the same and, we are all raised to believe things about our countries which often, are more lies than truths.. I could write a novel about this dear Ace but, I prefer to travel to the countries I find interesting instead and, I know I'll find out on my way, what I like and what I don't like.. ❤️❤️❤️ Thanks a lot for sharing and, I still look so much forward to Ecuador and all her people 🤗🌹
This has been happening for a very long time but like you said it has never been talk about. Great video Ace. Can you update on how things are in Ecuador. Is it ok to visit now?
I love Ecuador but this is DEFINITELY true. It is also definitely EVERYWHERE in Latin American culture. Price hike we all "El Precio de Gringo". I am 6'5" tall and blonde and blue eyed. So, I like to use humor to lower the price "No soy Gringo! So Ecuatoriano!" I say indignantly. They laugh heartily and about 50% of the time lower the price. But not to a Non-Gringo level usually.
Thanks for this video. I’m from the USA and love the Spanish language and latin culture and never heard of this term before although heard of some of the actions you described as existing and somewhat common in Latin America.
The last time me and my Ecuadorian born & raised wife were in Ecuador was May/June 2022. At the airport, the Ecuadorian immigration official at passport control tried to solicit a bribe from my wife. He asked her for her Ecuadorian cedula when she handed him her US passport; she told him that she does not have a cedula, as she is a US citizen…he responded stating that she can’t depart the country without a cedula because she was born in Ecuador and that he was willing to overlook it….while motioning with his hand that he wanted money. My wife took out her phone and simply responded that she was calling the US Consulate in Guayaquil (whenever we travel we always make sure to notify beforehand and have the US Embassy and local US Consulate #s on our phones). He handed her passport back to her and told her she needs to get a cedula next time she visits Ecuador….. But, she doesn’t have to and can’t…because of the job.
Are the "locals" even aware of viveza criolla? It's really a way of life, an attitude that is reinforced by society. It's important that expats coming to Latin American countries don't romanticize the culture and hear about the negatives too. So this is a must-see video (it was recommended to me by the channel Flynn's on the Fly). For another perspective, I have lived in Japan for over twenty years now. Patience, honesty, politeness, punctuality, and social harmony are emphasized here. It's a safe place to live with very little crime. But for someone from a different culture, this "you go first" mentality can be annoying. I have been stuck behind Japanese drivers who eagerly stop to let in cars coming from a side street, who stop for a pedestrian on a sidewalk when he/she isn't even close to the crosswalk, and the classic is when a driver is distracted and doesn't go when the traffic light turns green. No one will honk his/her horn (until I do) because that would be impolite. Even in my realtively small city of about 150,000, there seems to be traffic lights at every intersection with wait times up to 90 seconds, so you really can't plan on getting anywhere fast. The only people who display the viveza criolla attitude here are the bicyclists who consider themselves vehicles or pedestrians depending on the situation!
A great analysis. Interesting that it is not talked about much. You hit the nail on the head. Viveza Criolla destroys the possibility of trust and that is a National or Continental tragedy - because there are so many people who deserve to be trusted and deserve to trust.
Merci for this important video. Retirees are normally from the middle class in the USA who didn't save enough for retirement. Others come to Ecuador to achieve a lower cost of living to rid themselves of the heavy debt they accumulated while continue working in the states via the internet and also make videos for money too. Others are just plain lowlifes. There is no video but yours who have informed prospective visitors or residents. I came to Ecuador. It is a lovely country but not good for the elderly for all the reason you mentioned. They do not speak Spanish and are too trusting. Too many are relieved of everything they own. This includes international health insurance canceling their insurance the first time it was needed. My suggestion is go to a decent country like France where you do not need to speak French, healthcare is universal and the best in the world. France doesn't tax your Social Security or Pensions.
I've lived in Bogota for years. It's probably an exception but I find that Colombians do talk about this and criticize it. They call it "vivos y bobos."
I suppose I've started to notice a tendency to avoid or deny responsibility for something at any and all cost. Or to start by flatly denying that a product or service is ever offered even if you had just bought it there a day or two earlier. Or conversely to say that something is fine when it is clearly broken. These blend into each other sometimes. Am I imagining it?
as a colombian who loves my country and people, you are spot on that this is pervasive in the culture with destructive consequences. However, I think what you described could be a characteristic of any person on earth. The reason it's pervasive here is because a lack of rule of law. Everywhere where rule of lack is lacking and the law is permissive, you will find that individuals that have such characteristics thrive. If you believe in an evolutionary aspect of culture, individuals that adopt this behavior do better and those than don't get taken advantage of, so with these types of structural characteristics the incentive on individuals is to effectively behave like this. I think you should consider doing a more well-rounded structural analysis of why this is the case and how institutional factors play into the culture. You could say that the culture comes first and then the institutions, but i think the relationship is more complex than that.
solid vid. I do not miss this lol...I was in my 2nd day ever in the country and had to pay off cop on the street lol... it got worse from there ....Ecuador is so corrupt that it permeates every aspect of life there... 2 years of that was enough. For me the only reason people keep coming is because its so cheap. I used to ask expats if they could live the same way ( meaning the costs ) back home...would they have moved to Manta? 80% said they would not have moved. Is what it is.
🙏🌍✨ Thank you for shedding light on such an important topic about Latin American culture! This video was eye-opening and informative, providing insights that are often overlooked or not discussed openly. Your courage in addressing "Viveza Criolla" and its impact on society is truly commendable! 🙌💬🔍 In future videos, do you plan to explore more aspects of cultural nuances and societal challenges within Latin America? 🌎🎥 How do you envision continuing these insightful discussions while maintaining a balance between showcasing the positive aspects of Latin American culture and addressing the realities that need attention? 🤔💡
I live in Quito, Sector Basilica, Centro Histórico, Quito Sur. Every price in S. America can be negotiated. You do need some knowledge of Spanish to barter. Being a man has an advantage in Ecuador. The Latin culture is a paternal culture. If you're a strong man and hold to your convictions you're going to have little trouble. I am here as a missionary, and I have no problem telling anyone "No." You focus your time, attention, and resources on those in your inner circle. I do not allow myself to be taken advantage of.
In Taiwan, I just recently encountered a "viveza criolla" moment with a restaurant owner originally from Mexico. I understand that immigrating is never an easy thing, especially to an East Asian country, where it's near impossible for us Westerners to fully assimilate. However, while making me some damn good, authentic, carnita tacos, the owner was explaining how the government closed his restaurant's bathroom because it was "illegal". Not much else was said. I didn't think too much of it then, other than having pity for the hombre. But after watching this video I came back to reflect upon this moment. Due to his manner of speech I can't help but feel that he was subconsciously victimizing himself for what happened, which contrasts starkly with the usual East Asian mindset that I have grown so accustomed to. Where latin peoples may be on the extreme in blaming outwardly factors even when they are fully in control of the outcome, East Asians typically go out of their way to avoid making others feel bad or inciting conflict, so they will bear the brunt of others' actions themselves. Both have their ups and downs. BTW The psychological term can be called locus of control.
Another problem that some in my group has tried to warn you and other Ecuadorians about is the Expats that are coming here and have been here for years. You are not asking yourself WHY? Why are they leaving their own countries? Are they trying to escape something? Were they difficult or failures in their own countries? Most Expat men are coming here marrying or dating Ecuadorian women that the women themselves are tryng to latch onto Expats out of desperation mostly. Why? Were they difficult to live with in their own countries? Do they feel the need to make others think they are more than what they are? Many very popular Expats living in and running or on Facebook groups here are not what they seem and if you dont tow the line they will remove you from their groups as we have seen this practice for years. The Cuenca groups are the worst but so are others. They will make up lies to remove people simply for having differences in opinions. These are so called well respected people but really they are not what they seem. But when our group tries to warn others they go running back to the very people we are talking about because the Expats and Ecuadorians trust them. We have been here for years but feel that maybe its time to either go home or move elsewhere. So you decide. Sadly people are not all that they seem and its not just the Ecuadorians though we do understand what you are saying. Goodluck
Merci for your comments. Much appreciated. It is often the case that Americans on Facebook and RUclips are there to sell, make money, and get more for themselves while throwing everyone else under the bus.
@@ParisianThinker you obviously missed the whole point and no where did we mention Americans making money. In fact its usually the Latinos that latch onto the Expats wanting to make money. We can think of one couple in particular where the man is Ecuadorian and the wife is American. They act like everyone's friend but when they see that they cannot get money from you they disappear yet everyone seems to think that they are so great.
I want to start this by emphasizing that not every Ecuadorian or expat is like what's been described here, and we've definitely met some amazing people from both groups here. These are people we never would have crossed paths with if we stayed in the USA, and I love that we've had that opportunity. That said, you are absolutely correct. The types of people you're describing are definitely around, and tbh, I've been very shocked by how many there are, especially in the expat community. I'm not terribly surprised that people like that have been filtering down from North America, but to see a concentration like this in one place is a sight to behold 🤣
@@dgdw you would be surprised the ones that so many like here are the ones screwing people over...like I said in another post its like a cult. If you speak out you will get banned. A few years ago they were banning anyone that spoke out against the vaccine...but this week they allowed it. These male run groups seem to especially target women I was told. A lot depends on who you are but what they do is accuse you of stuff to ban you but refuse to show proof. Now we heard that they are on some groups talking about this video subject. They need to take a look in the mirror as they are as bad or far worse. My wife wants to leave. We will see
Viveza Criolla definitely exists in the USA (and throughout the world I'm sure) but I've seen it quite a lot more in Ecuador since moving to Cuenca full time. 😵💫
@@ParisianThinker exactly ... it might exist, but I dare you to try to bribe a traffic cop with $50 - $100 when you're about to get a DUI anywhere in the Developed world, not just the USA ... and let's see how that works out for 'ya
This is something that happens in every country around the world. it's a shame but i just don't associate those people with the actual society of that country
My parents are Mexican but am American and do not follow the my family's culture " Drinking, smoking , getting so many relationships, play loud Spanish music " Do not travel to Latin America so basically only travel to Canada or East Asia I made my own thing " Do not drink, work out, isolation , follows the franks culture,listening to Jpop
I have lived across South America, Africa, SEA, and the middle east. What you're describing is common place in almost every developing country that I have lived in. The phenomenon is not unique to South America. The only thing that differentiates South America vs other developing countries is the level of violent crime.
I’ve asked around and it would seem that it is not mandatory. It’s kinda funny to me though that having a fire extinguisher in your car is mandatory for when you get it checked but car insurance is like “meh”.
I think favoritism and corruption go hand in hand in most cases, and they are almost everywhere in every country. Unfortunately, it's embedded and It's part of the economy.
Not to generalise but this is actually may be true in former Spanish colonies. This is also true in the Philippines but as far as I can remember it was more rampant in the 80s and the 90s. I’m not pretty sure if things have improved for the good but I still know of people getting gov positions without having merit. We call it the ‘padrino’ system. I must agree that if one looks local and able to communicate in Spanish or Portuguese you should survive the streets of Latin America. My Spanish aint perfect for a heritage speaker but I did survive the streets of South America.
In gringo circles, Ecuadorians are spoken of as kind, helpful, welcoming, lovely, etc. Live here for awhile and you will see what lies beneath the surface. viveza criolla is everywhere and within every Ecuadorian. Of course, there are many lovely individuals, but the culture itself is poison. The complete lack of thought for your fellow citizen is obvious everywhere and everyday. I love this country and plan to stay for the rest of my life, but I certainly no longer wear my rose-colored glasses.
All you have said is ubiquitous here in EC, for sure, and it's not comprehensive. But it's not like Latin America is unique in having cultures with wonderful things, and loads of shadowy crap. That is true everywhere... humans are multi faceted everywhere and commonly are in denial about the low vibe side of our characters, there is no Shangri La. Do your due diligence and pick your poison.
Latin Americans embody deep traditions and a strong adherence to cultural norms (conformity). Their conservatism often sparks a rebellious streak within me. LOL!!!
The reason why I left is more so because I was a kid when I came here and didn’t have a choice. If I had to give an advantage of living in Ecuador it would be the cheap cost of living. I may talk about this later on in more detail but for now this is what I think
@@GMAceM It is scary to leave the country of my birth, however, it feels so has-been after the Democrats have literally ruined the USA. If I can somehow afford a better nicer house than I have in the States, that to me is a huge incentive to make the move to Ecuador. In the States, I am practically trapped, not enough money to move to anywhere. It sounds like the people are so much more friendly in Ecuador, plus not all the political drama? If the Democrats manage to steal yet another one of our elections, even Trump warns us that it could be our last election. Maybe the USA was not the "wrong" country to be born in when I was born, but things change and the USA is seriously in decline. Causes me concern that Ecuador also uses the U.S. dollar. Yet inflation is far less in Ecuador? Maybe less corporate greed? I am currently trying to save up a bit more money, perhaps I can do the Investment visa, since I need a place to live anyway. I am thinking near Cuenca, hopefully around the expats. Until I can become fluent in Spanish, I would like to be around similar people who speak English and who can assist and give suggestions to help me to adjust to being a real Ecuadorian. I have no intention of hopping all over the world like many expats seem to do. But I just do not understand the showing-income part. My income stops just as soon as I move, if not before, as I can no longer report to work. In a few years, I could collect Social Security, however it doesn't appear to be quite enough for the Retirement visa. I should easily have enough to live in Ecuador, once I can get established. I tend to be rather frugal anyway. Is it true that I will not need any voltage converters? Is it actually 120 volts 60 hertz? Your power outlets seem to look identical to what we have in the States. Should I bring my clothes washer and dryer? Some video said that she likes her American washer and dryer, as the local stuff is too small. I hardly even care if I have a dish washer, as I can hand-wash dishes. My house in the States is 1400 square feet, I need similar space, for all my stuff. I plan to ship and perhaps even buy a container. Too much culture shock if I can not bring all of my stuff. I wonder how much that will cost? Are there places that I can just park a container and take my time unloading it? Maybe even keep it for storage? What sort of "foundation" would it need? Do I have to worry about zoning, or can I do what I want with my place? So far, I have not seen any properties affordable, even though I checked a couple of websites for places near Cuenca. I am nowhere near handy enough to buy a "fixer-upper". I need a home that is low-maintenance. Perhaps I could hire a gardener so that I am not getting behind on the mowing and trimming bushes? Any suggestions you have for me would be much appreciated. I have listened to many of your YT videos, I like to hear honest talk of what it is like in Ecuador, all the pros and cons and alternatives. I have little idea whether I can reasonably do an exploratory visit anytime soon? I wish to "cut corners" and just get it done somehow. Can I possibly buy a place in Ecuador from the States, or do I have to be there in person to do the deal? I often binge-watch these sorts of videos for hours and hours, because I feel so much like I do not belong anymore in a has-been USA where the corrupt politicians literally seem to hate us. I feel like a stranger in my own country, as my own unfaithful USA has left me, or acts like an unfaithful harlot, not true to her founding principles anymore. I might even renounce my American citizenship, but that looks to be a decision to be made later on after I leave the country of my birth, very possibly to never return not even for a visit, once I have better outside-the-USA perspective and have some options.
With the exception of Costa Rica most Latin America countries were controlled by appointed representatives from Spain or Portugal in the 1700 and 1800's and favorites controlled the nations, Some of the practices of today are a reflection of the past. Can the current or next generation change? Your actions in the classroom can help inspire change.
That its simply untrue as one of my childred married a Puerto Rican and now he is suffer for it. You many one you marry the whole dam family and they will always be asking for money etc
We were dirt poor in the US growing up but we didn't screw people over to survive. No its mostly Latin American Culture. They will always be third world countries for these reasons. But to them its normal behavior and do they dont see a need for change
@@MeMe-DGAF You were dirt poor in the US, but you also had opportunities to get out of poverty. In many third world countries people don"t have that chance.
@@MrXR77 are you really that obtuse? Growing up in Appalachia or the ghetto especially years ago exactly what "opportunities" did we have exactly? Be specific...waiting
As an Ecuadorian American I have heard about this through my Ecuadorian family and it has been the hardest to deal with. Although this can also be experienced In other parts of the world, I‘ve never experienced it so deeply rooted to the culture. Something else I’ve experienced culturally as a returned Ecuadorian who left at 8-1/2 years old and returned to retire here in Ecuador two years ago at 63, is the “returned syndrome,” which is when Ecuadorians treat “gringos” better than other Ecuadorians, last the returned Ecuadorian. It’s like the Ecuadorians feel that they have to cut our “returned” legs off, to bring us down to size, sort of speak, to show us we are no better than they are. It is quite daunting. At first I thought I was overly sensitive, until my gringo friends also were noticing and unprompted by me, point it out or mention it to me. I have other “returned Ecuadorians” who also experience it.
This is a video that desperately needed to be made. This is the reality of living here, both for Ecuadorians and for us expats living here. Thank you.
I’d been holding back on making this video for a long time but knew that I had to talk about it eventually and I’m glad it’s also given many the chance to share their experiences in the comments. We have to be real about things, not just the good things but the not so good things too if we want to be better.
Thanks for taking the time to check the video out!
Just a mere refection of the extremely corrupt governments of latin America 😂
As an Ecuadorian American I have heard about this through my Ecuadorian family and it has been the hardest to deal with. Although this can also be experienced In other parts of the world, I‘ve never experienced it so deeply rooted to the culture.
Something else I’ve experienced culturally as a returned Ecuadorian who left at 8-1/2 years old and returned to retire here in Ecuador two years ago at 63, is the “returned syndrome,” which is when Ecuadorians treat “gringos” better than other Ecuadorians, last the returned Ecuadorian. It’s like the Ecuadorians feel that they have to cut our “returned” legs off, to bring us down to size, sort of speak, to show us we are no better than they are. It is quite daunting. At first I thought I was overly sensitive, until my gringo friends also were noticing and unprompted by me, point it out or mention it to me. I have other “returned Ecuadorians” who also experience it.
Everyone I’ve encountered in Mexico has been very friendly and helpful. I accidentally left my phone in an Uber and the guy went out of his way to get it back to me.
This is on point. As an Ecuadorian, viveza criolla is the only thing I hate about my country, no wonder why we have so much corruption- it’s rooted in the culture. Latinos complain all the time about our corrupt politicians but can’t see that they’re just a reflection of us. I have very strong principles that don’t go with Ecuadorian culture, for example, I would never ever bribe a cop, like most people do in Ecuador (I really mean it when I say MOST people do that)
I even moved to Europe because of this, NOT because of the crime!
France was my choice. I rejected Latin America due to their corruption even though I speak perfect Spanish.
@@ParisianThinkergreat choice 😂 people dont realize how extremely corrupt latin America is unfortunately.
Well, if you're stopped at random checkpoint in Manabí (and you live in Cuenca), and the transito cop there refuses to let you leave without a bribe, there are only a few limited options -- especially if your vehicle has any sort of noticeable defect. I had a burnt out brake light that I was unaware of, and I either had to pay the bribe or get towed away. That could have been a bluff, but being 7 hours from home kinda puts you in a tight spot. By the way, I've been hit up there at that same spot three times, and each time I had to give them something or I wasn't going to be allowed to continue on my way.
I so appreciate and respect your honesty. You’re 100% correct and until now, I never had a name for it. As someone who has lived and visited Ecuador many times, I have seen these examples many times.
I can also attest to the fact that it also exists in Brazil where I have similarly lived and worked.
Doesn’t make me appreciate these places any less but these insights help to explain dismaying behavior that we sometimes see.
Thx you again, ace.
I lived in Manta, Lima, and I'm in Medellin right now. Whenever I see a motorcycle on the sidewalk, I say it out loud. "If you don't like my driving...Stay off the sidewalk." I lived on Flavio Reyes across the street from the park, and people would drink at the park all night and play their music with no regard for the people sleeping who had to work the next day. I would lose it at 4am
WOW, Excellent teaching, I love your definition of “viveza criolla” rooted in your American/Ecuadorian life experience. Few people talks about it, and I understand their reasons. I have studied cultural anthropology, sociology, psychology in Ecuador as well as in the states and I never heard from any of my professors about the “viveza criolla”
Im glad you are talking about this. I’m Ecuadorian-American and this is something that is rampant in our culture and in Latin America as a whole. What’s worse is many immigrants bring that same frame of mind to the countries they migrate to when that’s one of the problems of their countries of origin to begin with. Great vid, Ace! Saludos desde NYC! I’m subscribed!
Exactly.
I've traveled a good bit in S America and plan to retire in Panamá. As a gringo, I see viveza criolla as a local version of what I see in most countries, certainty in EEUU.
I appreciate your integrity in declaring this acceptance of corruption as deplorable.
I would not agree that this is part of all cultures. In my experience, this is definitely a Latin American thing. I have seen it and heard many of my in-laws discuss it in frustration.
@kenswindle4860 I didn't see any such behavior in Japan.
I think it may stem from a mistaken belief that others deserve the mistreatment because of resentment for unspecific past behaviors. This kind of thinking has been greatly inflamed by academically endorsed cultural Marxism, a retreat into tribalism.
Finally an honest talk about Latinos that everyone has been turning a blind eye to. I live in Southern California and I have been dealing with Viveza Criolla everyday and it wears down on your spirit. I am seriously considering moving away from the Latinos concentrated area because of this negative energy. Thank you very much for your sincerity and courage to speak about it. We can only fix things when it is put into light. You get a thousand thumb ups for me 👍 👍 👍 👍
"viveza criolla" just seems like a romantic way of saying "selfish, rude and inconsiderate to others". Whether it's being late, playing music while people are sleeping, driving fast through a neighborhood, or cutting in line...
He just explained all the corrupt governments of latin America lol 😂
I use the words "Reliable Corruption". It's how we get anything done. This is also a "favor" economy which is how we make and keep "friends in good places". Great video, brilliant.
It's certainly alive and well in Costa Rica. I moved here 30 years ago and speak fluent Spanish (according to people here and in Medellin that I know). I didn't know there was a term for it. People talk about "tico time" (Costa Rican time), but I think that's all a part of it. I get so sick of people meeting me and because I look so Northern European, they assume I can't say a word in Spanish and 30 seconds later they're looking for a way to take advantage of me. It has made me very leery of trusting people, that's for sure. A real emotional drag.
That's the reason after travelling to every Latin country, I live in Europe and not there. Uruguay was the best out of the lot.
The reason no one talks about this term is probably because there is nothing specific to Latin America about it. You will find most of what you described in Russia and other post-Soviet countries, as well as in Southeast Asia, the Middle East, etc.
As an expat who is fluent in Spanish, currently in Argentina, this is why Latin America will always stay impoverished. Great video
How would someone react if you said that phrase when they give you a gringo price? I have said no, no precio gringo, precio vecino.
Fascinating concept. I’ve only been here a little over six weeks and I’ve seen cases of where I was “gringoed” at the Mercado. Just yesterday a lady charged me a dollar for two tiny limes and a small red pepper. I know it was only a dollar and it wasn’t like I couldn’t afford it…but I know the previous day I bought a lime three times the size for a dime. My lesson is I won’t go back to her. She might have the most beautiful limes in the mercardo but I’m going to avoid her produce booth. I remember giving the previous woman that charged me a dime for the bigger lime a fifty cent piece and when she gave me .40 cents back in change I told her to keep the change . I did it because to me the ten cent lime was worth way more to me than a dime. And looking back her respect for me in that case was worth way more than the forty cent tip.
Overpaying for something small like that doesn’t earn respect in this culture. If you pay 50 cents when the price is 10 cents the vendor will think you’re silly and asking to be taken advantage of next time.
@@FallofftheMap Silly? Ignore that his forty cent tip brightened that woman's morning. You should change the name of your channel to "I moved to Ecuador because I'm a cheap bastard"
@@luisdetomaso867 trolls will troll.
You should be getting at least 20 limes for a dollar. Just because we can pay afford, it doesn't mean we should.
@@scarlettjewell8092 exactly. Folks that criticize expats for being cheap because they don’t overpay don’t understand Ecuadorian culture and the negative effects of overpaying.
Great video thank you for your honesty 🙏. We retired here in Costa Rica 3 years ago and are residents. I totally relate to everyone you said and most RUclipsrs are just promoting the paradise side of living abroad. Even with the negatives of living abroad we except it , live among it and Emersing ourselves into the Culture, people and History. We live in an all local Tico Neighborhood and all our friends are locals and we know all our neighbors and we do celebrations with them ❤ and they are always so helpful to us and they always let us know when we are getting Gringo priced with Labor and will stand up for us !! We love the Latin American People and we Love our lives here. However we are NOT the gringos that hang around all the foreigners and bring our American lifestyle here. We left all that behind us and living here simple in a beautiful Tico home we purchased 2 years ago among all local people. This was a Blessing for us to learn the language 🙏and the Locals!! We still are not fluent in Spanish but we have learned alot from living here with our Local friends and neighbors. They always want to practice their English with us and we want to practice Spanish with them. The driving gives me anxiety however if we just have the mindset that everyone is going to pull out in front of you or the Motos are splitting lanes on all sides and they are going to run the red lights and stop signs then it makes us more cautious and you need FLY EYES 😆 that can see all around 😉. We are here to stay because this is our home and Country we feel is home to us and the people we want in our lives. Thanks for sharing this topic 🙌PURA VIDA 😊.
As a US expatriate who's lived in Ecuador for over 10 years, I agree with your assessment 1000%. The lack of a sense of personal responsibility and the inability to admit guilt when they do something wrong is probably the most frustrating. Then there's what we expats refer to as the "Gringo Tax," meaning that we typically pay more for everything there. Because I speak Spanish, I can (and do) negotiate prices for things, and local Ecuadorians tend to respect you more and be willing to negotiate when you can speak the language. Thank you for your openness and honesty regarding this topic.
In India, we have a similar term: "Jugaad"
Same issues that you mention are prevalent in the Indian subcontinent, and it was only when I was exposed to a Western Society (The Netherlands and Germany) in my early adulthood that I was exposed to a completely different world!
- Price hike for foreigners (especially for Westerners), sometimes, even within India, since we are a nation of extreme variety of cultures
- Adherence to the law only to avoid repercussions!
- Lack of responsibility - inability to take responsibility
- Corruption (connections/"pahunch" and money/"rishwath")
We have other problems, like, apparent different treatment (in practice, of the Law) for the elite compared to the poor or simple! Just last week, a rich man's "elite" son at 17 runs his Porsche at 160 km/h through busy streets after midnight and kills 2 adults! And he got a VIP treatment from the Police, until the people (through social media and the almost "lap-dog" media) raised their protests, so that the Police started becoming serious!
Merci for your comment.
Acknowledging the problem is the first step toward the solution. Thanks for your brutal honesty!
This is a good talk for so many aspects of life. Good one Ace.
About the working topic, it’s called “palanquear”. Very common in the public sector in all Latin America. Happens EVERYWHERE in the world but in latam is like 10 times worse!
I live in Canada and Chinatown restaurants have two menus, in English and in Mandarin. Different prices btw 😂.
Thanks for publishing this with Spanish subtitles Ace!
Excellent video! I'm like # 238.
Hello GM Ace! Ace, I truly appreciate your candor and honesty in describing a horrid trait that you identified while living in Ecuador after spending your formative years in the USA. From someone that has lived and traveled in several countries - I can tell you that what you call 'viveza criolla' is more of a moral flaw deep within our human nature. I have personally seen it rear its ugly head in different cultures and settings. It is not, by far, localized to Ecuador, Latin America or the New World for that matter. Please note that I am not defending Latin American culture nor stating that it may not be endemic in Ecuador or in other countries BUT as they say, the truth will set you free. 😉 Be safe
Wow. I appreciate your sharing openly. I hope my time in Ecuador this year will be ok.
Ace...come up to California and be our governor, Or at least our mayor. We all need your respect for law and order. ♡
This is a very frank and honest explanation. Good job Ace. Just got back from two weeks in Ecuador and had an amazing time. We didn't make it to the coast, but I found that engaging in conversation and getting to know people really dispels a lot of the misconceptions and potential hazards. Thank you as always for all the effort you put into your work.
Excellent. Thank you
Great video . All this is so true .
This is one of the main reasons that gringos leave Ecuador or chose to not make it their home. Viveza criolla is why immigrants are Gringo'd (cheated) and why such kind, loving people are not always trusted, as their lies are expected to be accepted. & yes, these are lies. Choosing to allow viveza criolla to be such a major part of the culture, is so disrespectful. For instance, the incredibly loud music played all night, so one cannot sleep or showing up 2 hours late, or not at all without a valid reason or apology. I, one who loves Ecuador and Ecuadorians, am having second thoughts about moving to such a culture.
In 2002 I went to Quito for the first time, to take Spanish classes, and my teacher told me about Viveza Criolla. I thought it was very interesting (and still do 22 years later ha ha).
Lucky for you!😇
Hahaha it’s pretty cool that your teacher told you about it. When I got here (back after having living in the states) I had to learn about it through the actions and interactions with people and of course the people who complain about it.
I’m Peruvian and in Peru, bring “criollo” means acting low class, being a scammer,or being fraudulent and milking the government assistance
You should run for prez. You got my vote.
Good video Ace
Wow, thanks for putting a name to what I’ve observed in my almost two years of residency in EC. Still enjoying EC and just appreciate life as it is here.
Thanks a million GM Ace.... Haven't seen you for a while in here but, what I just hear you say now is, what I've experienced in many European countries as well..
I think it has more to do with humanity than nationality..
Many years ago, I did a job in Osló, Norway and, I was there for roughly 6 Months..
I met this Brazilian guy and we spoke about our differences and similarities in our countries. - Before we finished our talk, we had come to the agreement, that most of our experience is very much the same and, we are all raised to believe things about our countries which often, are more lies than truths..
I could write a novel about this dear Ace but, I prefer to travel to the countries I find interesting instead and, I know I'll find out on my way, what I like and what I don't like.. ❤️❤️❤️
Thanks a lot for sharing and, I still look so much forward to Ecuador and all her people 🤗🌹
This has been happening for a very long time but like you said it has never been talk about. Great video Ace. Can you update on how things are in Ecuador. Is it ok to visit now?
I love Ecuador but this is DEFINITELY true. It is also definitely EVERYWHERE in Latin American culture. Price hike we all "El Precio de Gringo". I am 6'5" tall and blonde and blue eyed. So, I like to use humor to lower the price "No soy Gringo! So Ecuatoriano!" I say indignantly. They laugh heartily and about 50% of the time lower the price. But not to a Non-Gringo level usually.
Love the haircut, man.
Thanks for this video. I’m from the USA and love the Spanish language and latin culture and never heard of this term before although heard of some of the actions you described as existing and somewhat common in Latin America.
Gracias por comunicar estas cosas tan serias… parece que nada ha cambiado en las décadas
The last time me and my Ecuadorian born & raised wife were in Ecuador was May/June 2022. At the airport, the Ecuadorian immigration official at passport control tried to solicit a bribe from my wife. He asked her for her Ecuadorian cedula when she handed him her US passport; she told him that she does not have a cedula, as she is a US citizen…he responded stating that she can’t depart the country without a cedula because she was born in Ecuador and that he was willing to overlook it….while motioning with his hand that he wanted money. My wife took out her phone and simply responded that she was calling the US Consulate in Guayaquil (whenever we travel we always make sure to notify beforehand and have the US Embassy and local US Consulate #s on our phones). He handed her passport back to her and told her she needs to get a cedula next time she visits Ecuador….. But, she doesn’t have to and can’t…because of the job.
Are the "locals" even aware of viveza criolla? It's really a way of life, an attitude that is reinforced by society. It's important that expats coming to Latin American countries don't romanticize the culture and hear about the negatives too. So this is a must-see video (it was recommended to me by the channel Flynn's on the Fly). For another perspective, I have lived in Japan for over twenty years now. Patience, honesty, politeness, punctuality, and social harmony are emphasized here. It's a safe place to live with very little crime. But for someone from a different culture, this "you go first" mentality can be annoying. I have been stuck behind Japanese drivers who eagerly stop to let in cars coming from a side street, who stop for a pedestrian on a sidewalk when he/she isn't even close to the crosswalk, and the classic is when a driver is distracted and doesn't go when the traffic light turns green. No one will honk his/her horn (until I do) because that would be impolite. Even in my realtively small city of about 150,000, there seems to be traffic lights at every intersection with wait times up to 90 seconds, so you really can't plan on getting anywhere fast. The only people who display the viveza criolla attitude here are the bicyclists who consider themselves vehicles or pedestrians depending on the situation!
A great analysis. Interesting that it is not talked about much. You hit the nail on the head. Viveza Criolla destroys the possibility of trust and that is a National or Continental tragedy - because there are so many people who deserve to be trusted and deserve to trust.
Tu peluquero está haciendo un gran trabajo. ¡Avanza!
Merci for this important video. Retirees are normally from the middle class in the USA who didn't save enough for retirement. Others come to Ecuador to achieve a lower cost of living to rid themselves of the heavy debt they accumulated while continue working in the states via the internet and also make videos for money too. Others are just plain lowlifes. There is no video but yours who have informed prospective visitors or residents. I came to Ecuador. It is a lovely country but not good for the elderly for all the reason you mentioned. They do not speak Spanish and are too trusting. Too many are relieved of everything they own. This includes international health insurance canceling their insurance the first time it was needed. My suggestion is go to a decent country like France where you do not need to speak French, healthcare is universal and the best in the world. France doesn't tax your Social Security or Pensions.
France is in turmoil right now because of all the illegals and very expensive
I've lived in Bogota for years. It's probably an exception but I find that Colombians do talk about this and criticize it. They call it "vivos y bobos."
I suppose I've started to notice a tendency to avoid or deny responsibility for something at any and all cost. Or to start by flatly denying that a product or service is ever offered even if you had just bought it there a day or two earlier. Or conversely to say that something is fine when it is clearly broken. These blend into each other sometimes. Am I imagining it?
as a colombian who loves my country and people, you are spot on that this is pervasive in the culture with destructive consequences. However, I think what you described could be a characteristic of any person on earth. The reason it's pervasive here is because a lack of rule of law. Everywhere where rule of lack is lacking and the law is permissive, you will find that individuals that have such characteristics thrive. If you believe in an evolutionary aspect of culture, individuals that adopt this behavior do better and those than don't get taken advantage of, so with these types of structural characteristics the incentive on individuals is to effectively behave like this. I think you should consider doing a more well-rounded structural analysis of why this is the case and how institutional factors play into the culture. You could say that the culture comes first and then the institutions, but i think the relationship is more complex than that.
First time hearing the term viveza criolla. Makes sense though. Makes me appreciate the U.S. Will our Latin American cultures ever change? Ojalá. 🙏🏽
solid vid. I do not miss this lol...I was in my 2nd day ever in the country and had to pay off cop on the street lol... it got worse from there ....Ecuador is so corrupt that it permeates every aspect of life there... 2 years of that was enough. For me the only reason people keep coming is because its so cheap. I used to ask expats if they could live the same way ( meaning the costs ) back home...would they have moved to Manta? 80% said they would not have moved. Is what it is.
🙏🌍✨ Thank you for shedding light on such an important topic about Latin American culture! This video was eye-opening and informative, providing insights that are often overlooked or not discussed openly. Your courage in addressing "Viveza Criolla" and its impact on society is truly commendable! 🙌💬🔍
In future videos, do you plan to explore more aspects of cultural nuances and societal challenges within Latin America? 🌎🎥 How do you envision continuing these insightful discussions while maintaining a balance between showcasing the positive aspects of Latin American culture and addressing the realities that need attention? 🤔💡
I live in Quito, Sector Basilica, Centro Histórico, Quito Sur.
Every price in S. America can be negotiated. You do need some knowledge of Spanish to barter.
Being a man has an advantage in Ecuador. The Latin culture is a paternal culture. If you're a strong man
and hold to your convictions you're going to have little trouble.
I am here as a missionary, and I have no problem telling anyone "No." You focus your time, attention, and resources on those in your inner circle.
I do not allow myself to be taken advantage of.
En mi ciudad hay cámaras por todos lados, por lo que no considero viveza criolla pasar en rojo un semáforo cuando después tenés que pagar la multa.
In Taiwan, I just recently encountered a "viveza criolla" moment with a restaurant owner originally from Mexico. I understand that immigrating is never an easy thing, especially to an East Asian country, where it's near impossible for us Westerners to fully assimilate. However, while making me some damn good, authentic, carnita tacos, the owner was explaining how the government closed his restaurant's bathroom because it was "illegal". Not much else was said. I didn't think too much of it then, other than having pity for the hombre.
But after watching this video I came back to reflect upon this moment. Due to his manner of speech I can't help but feel that he was subconsciously victimizing himself for what happened, which contrasts starkly with the usual East Asian mindset that I have grown so accustomed to. Where latin peoples may be on the extreme in blaming outwardly factors even when they are fully in control of the outcome, East Asians typically go out of their way to avoid making others feel bad or inciting conflict, so they will bear the brunt of others' actions themselves. Both have their ups and downs.
BTW The psychological term can be called locus of control.
Is this a problem in Argentina as well?
Another problem that some in my group has tried to warn you and other Ecuadorians about is the Expats that are coming here and have been here for years. You are not asking yourself WHY? Why are they leaving their own countries? Are they trying to escape something? Were they difficult or failures in their own countries? Most Expat men are coming here marrying or dating Ecuadorian women that the women themselves are tryng to latch onto Expats out of desperation mostly. Why? Were they difficult to live with in their own countries? Do they feel the need to make others think they are more than what they are? Many very popular Expats living in and running or on Facebook groups here are not what they seem and if you dont tow the line they will remove you from their groups as we have seen this practice for years. The Cuenca groups are the worst but so are others. They will make up lies to remove people simply for having differences in opinions. These are so called well respected people but really they are not what they seem. But when our group tries to warn others they go running back to the very people we are talking about because the Expats and Ecuadorians trust them. We have been here for years but feel that maybe its time to either go home or move elsewhere. So you decide. Sadly people are not all that they seem and its not just the Ecuadorians though we do understand what you are saying. Goodluck
Merci for your comments. Much appreciated. It is often the case that Americans on Facebook and RUclips are there to sell, make money, and get more for themselves while throwing everyone else under the bus.
@@ParisianThinker you obviously missed the whole point and no where did we mention Americans making money. In fact its usually the Latinos that latch onto the Expats wanting to make money. We can think of one couple in particular where the man is Ecuadorian and the wife is American. They act like everyone's friend but when they see that they cannot get money from you they disappear yet everyone seems to think that they are so great.
I want to start this by emphasizing that not every Ecuadorian or expat is like what's been described here, and we've definitely met some amazing people from both groups here. These are people we never would have crossed paths with if we stayed in the USA, and I love that we've had that opportunity.
That said, you are absolutely correct. The types of people you're describing are definitely around, and tbh, I've been very shocked by how many there are, especially in the expat community. I'm not terribly surprised that people like that have been filtering down from North America, but to see a concentration like this in one place is a sight to behold 🤣
Can you give examples of popular expats who run Cuenca groups that remove people ?
@@dgdw you would be surprised the ones that so many like here are the ones screwing people over...like I said in another post its like a cult. If you speak out you will get banned. A few years ago they were banning anyone that spoke out against the vaccine...but this week they allowed it. These male run groups seem to especially target women I was told. A lot depends on who you are but what they do is accuse you of stuff to ban you but refuse to show proof. Now we heard that they are on some groups talking about this video subject. They need to take a look in the mirror as they are as bad or far worse. My wife wants to leave. We will see
no one has to be perfcet because we can always be better is a great reminder
Viveza Criolla definitely exists in the USA (and throughout the world I'm sure) but I've seen it quite a lot more in Ecuador since moving to Cuenca full time. 😵💫
It might exist, but lawyers are there to sue you and to jail you too.
@@ParisianThinker exactly ... it might exist, but I dare you to try to bribe a traffic cop with $50 - $100 when you're about to get a DUI anywhere in the Developed world, not just the USA ... and let's see how that works out for 'ya
This is something that happens in every country around the world. it's a shame but i just don't associate those people with the actual society of that country
Hit n run is a problem everywhere especially FLORIDA!
Sad to hear that. Is it because of the Latins?
@@ParisianThinker no all ethnicities seem to feel above the law when it comes to hit n run in Florida.
My parents are Mexican but am American and do not follow the my family's culture " Drinking, smoking , getting so many relationships, play loud Spanish music "
Do not travel to Latin America so basically only travel to Canada or East Asia
I made my own thing " Do not drink, work out, isolation , follows the franks culture,listening to Jpop
I have lived across South America, Africa, SEA, and the middle east. What you're describing is common place in almost every developing country that I have lived in. The phenomenon is not unique to South America.
The only thing that differentiates South America vs other developing countries is the level of violent crime.
No laws for mandatory insurance?
😂😂😂Even if there was, who’s going to enforce it.
I’ve asked around and it would seem that it is not mandatory. It’s kinda funny to me though that having a fire extinguisher in your car is mandatory for when you get it checked but car insurance is like “meh”.
I think favoritism and corruption go hand in hand in most cases, and they are almost everywhere in every country. Unfortunately, it's embedded and It's part of the economy.
Not to generalise but this is actually may be true in former Spanish colonies. This is also true in the Philippines but as far as I can remember it was more rampant in the 80s and the 90s. I’m not pretty sure if things have improved for the good but I still know of people getting gov positions without having merit. We call it the ‘padrino’ system. I must agree that if one looks local and able to communicate in Spanish or Portuguese you should survive the streets of Latin America. My Spanish aint perfect for a heritage speaker but I did survive the streets of South America.
Expats call it getting "Gringoed".
That's what it is. 😄
In gringo circles, Ecuadorians are spoken of as kind, helpful, welcoming, lovely, etc. Live here for awhile and you will see what lies beneath the surface. viveza criolla is everywhere and within every Ecuadorian. Of course, there are many lovely individuals, but the culture itself is poison. The complete lack of thought for your fellow citizen is obvious everywhere and everyday. I love this country and plan to stay for the rest of my life, but I certainly no longer wear my rose-colored glasses.
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All you have said is ubiquitous here in EC, for sure, and it's not comprehensive. But it's not like Latin America is unique in having cultures with wonderful things, and loads of shadowy crap. That is true everywhere... humans are multi faceted everywhere and commonly are in denial about the low vibe side of our characters, there is no Shangri La. Do your due diligence and pick your poison.
Merci for your comments. The difference is law and the ability to enforce it.
@@ParisianThinker not just the ability, but the integrity and willingness, applied equally.
Viveza criolla it's more like "Sapada" to me 😂
Latin Americans embody deep traditions and a strong adherence to cultural norms (conformity). Their conservatism often sparks a rebellious streak within me. LOL!!!
So why then did you leave the has-been USA and what makes it better for you to be living in Ecuador?
The reason why I left is more so because I was a kid when I came here and didn’t have a choice. If I had to give an advantage of living in Ecuador it would be the cheap cost of living. I may talk about this later on in more detail but for now this is what I think
@@GMAceM
It is scary to leave the country of my birth, however, it feels so has-been after the Democrats have literally ruined the USA. If I can somehow afford a better nicer house than I have in the States, that to me is a huge incentive to make the move to Ecuador. In the States, I am practically trapped, not enough money to move to anywhere.
It sounds like the people are so much more friendly in Ecuador, plus not all the political drama? If the Democrats manage to steal yet another one of our elections, even Trump warns us that it could be our last election.
Maybe the USA was not the "wrong" country to be born in when I was born, but things change and the USA is seriously in decline. Causes me concern that Ecuador also uses the U.S. dollar. Yet inflation is far less in Ecuador? Maybe less corporate greed?
I am currently trying to save up a bit more money, perhaps I can do the Investment visa, since I need a place to live anyway. I am thinking near Cuenca, hopefully around the expats. Until I can become fluent in Spanish, I would like to be around similar people who speak English and who can assist and give suggestions to help me to adjust to being a real Ecuadorian. I have no intention of hopping all over the world like many expats seem to do. But I just do not understand the showing-income part. My income stops just as soon as I move, if not before, as I can no longer report to work. In a few years, I could collect Social Security, however it doesn't appear to be quite enough for the Retirement visa. I should easily have enough to live in Ecuador, once I can get established. I tend to be rather frugal anyway.
Is it true that I will not need any voltage converters? Is it actually 120 volts 60 hertz? Your power outlets seem to look identical to what we have in the States. Should I bring my clothes washer and dryer? Some video said that she likes her American washer and dryer, as the local stuff is too small. I hardly even care if I have a dish washer, as I can hand-wash dishes.
My house in the States is 1400 square feet, I need similar space, for all my stuff. I plan to ship and perhaps even buy a container. Too much culture shock if I can not bring all of my stuff. I wonder how much that will cost? Are there places that I can just park a container and take my time unloading it? Maybe even keep it for storage? What sort of "foundation" would it need? Do I have to worry about zoning, or can I do what I want with my place? So far, I have not seen any properties affordable, even though I checked a couple of websites for places near Cuenca. I am nowhere near handy enough to buy a "fixer-upper". I need a home that is low-maintenance. Perhaps I could hire a gardener so that I am not getting behind on the mowing and trimming bushes?
Any suggestions you have for me would be much appreciated.
I have listened to many of your YT videos, I like to hear honest talk of what it is like in Ecuador, all the pros and cons and alternatives. I have little idea whether I can reasonably do an exploratory visit anytime soon? I wish to "cut corners" and just get it done somehow. Can I possibly buy a place in Ecuador from the States, or do I have to be there in person to do the deal? I often binge-watch these sorts of videos for hours and hours, because I feel so much like I do not belong anymore in a has-been USA where the corrupt politicians literally seem to hate us. I feel like a stranger in my own country, as my own unfaithful USA has left me, or acts like an unfaithful harlot, not true to her founding principles anymore. I might even renounce my American citizenship, but that looks to be a decision to be made later on after I leave the country of my birth, very possibly to never return not even for a visit, once I have better outside-the-USA perspective and have some options.
I know the culture, just ayuda me por favor tienes 10 dólares para mi. No tenemos nada
Lol you just explained all the corrupt governments of latin American 😂 thats the biggest example 😂
Nepotism is when you get a job because of who family or friends are.
“Enchufado” is what my husband calls it, to be “plugged in” He’s from Spain tho so I guess that one’s universal
isn't this the same behavior that has developed within the far right of all cultures globally?
With the exception of Costa Rica most Latin America countries were controlled by appointed representatives from Spain or Portugal in the 1700 and 1800's and favorites controlled the nations, Some of the practices of today are a reflection of the past. Can the current or next generation change? Your actions in the classroom can help inspire change.
You're biased. I don't think this is exclusive to Latin America. This is everywhere even in the U.S. and Canada. Maybe you see less often.
Not found in Puerto Rico, but endemic in the Philippines a long time Spanish colony.
That its simply untrue as one of my childred married a Puerto Rican and now he is suffer for it. You many one you marry the whole dam family and they will always be asking for money etc
I think you are Anti prophet
I would call it poverty. Applicable anywhere around the world.
We were dirt poor in the US growing up but we didn't screw people over to survive. No its mostly Latin American Culture. They will always be third world countries for these reasons. But to them its normal behavior and do they dont see a need for change
@@MeMe-DGAF You were dirt poor in the US, but you also had opportunities to get out of poverty. In many third world countries people don"t have that chance.
@@MrXR77 are you really that obtuse? Growing up in Appalachia or the ghetto especially years ago exactly what "opportunities" did we have exactly? Be specific...waiting
It is all that and more.That what makesouth america like almost africa.
I couldn't agree with you anymore,The moral bottom line here is rapidly declining
As an Ecuadorian American I have heard about this through my Ecuadorian family and it has been the hardest to deal with. Although this can also be experienced In other parts of the world, I‘ve never experienced it so deeply rooted to the culture.
Something else I’ve experienced culturally as a returned Ecuadorian who left at 8-1/2 years old and returned to retire here in Ecuador two years ago at 63, is the “returned syndrome,” which is when Ecuadorians treat “gringos” better than other Ecuadorians, last the returned Ecuadorian. It’s like the Ecuadorians feel that they have to cut our “returned” legs off, to bring us down to size, sort of speak, to show us we are no better than they are. It is quite daunting. At first I thought I was overly sensitive, until my gringo friends also were noticing and unprompted by me, point it out or mention it to me. I have other “returned Ecuadorians” who also experience it.