Jedi Council on Dantooine After M4-78
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- Опубликовано: 3 авг 2024
- Here's the follow up to my M4-78 vid • KotOR 2: M4-78 (the Dr... .
I cut out all the normal dialog regarding Katarr, so this would fit the time limit.
It's pretty sweet, and I've never seen Atton here before. ;)
KotOR 2 belongs to Obsidian Ent. and LucasArts.
mods:
"M4-78" by Dstoney64
"Bastila PC Head" by Miles Edgeworth (Indiana_Revan77) 
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Did...did this game just make the experience system connect with the story?!
Best game.
Kardel While I agree, this is nothing really new. Baldur’s Gate did this 20 years ago!
Those Jedi deserved it. The had the perfect opportunity to understand what happened to the Exile, but instead they blamed her for bringing about the death of all Jedi and the Force. The arrogance.
***** They learned nothing from what they did before. And the hypocrisy of Master Kavar, he completely changed his attitude from when you saw him at Onderon
Sigurd Torvaldsson Zez-Kai Ell did too. In fact, when you talk to him on Nar Shaddaa he seemed to realize more-so than Kavar that they royally fucked up somewhere (and the fact that he basically turned around and said "Nope, it's all your fault" when you gather them all on Dantooine irritates the hell out of me). Kavar realized they fucked to a lesser extent, but he and the Exile were apparently friends, so the fact that he turned around and said "Nope, it's your fault" is like a stab in the back. As for Vrook, well, I've hated him since KotOR I, so fuck him.
***** My thoughts exactly
+HEXcellerate Agreed, unlike other Star Wars games like Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy and The Force Unleashed i don't feel bad at all playing a dark side character and killing all the Jedi Masters or even being a light side character and killing the Jedi Masters.
Because most Jedi Masters other than maybe Master Zez-Kai Ell were very arrogant and/or Paranoid and even complete assholes(looking at you Vrook), if Master Yoda was alive in this time he would be facepalming during this scene and bashing his head against the wall.
"How could hope to know the threat you face, when you have never walked in the dark places of the Galaxy, faced war and death on such a scale?!
If you had travled far enough rather than waiting for the echo to reach you, perhaps you would have seen it for what it was."
- Kreia, which actions pretty much saved the galaxy from certain doom.
You're Spying
I don't remember that acually lol .. well that further proves my point lol.
The Jedi council are not only displaying arrogance but also a deep seated fear of the events of The Great Sith War with Exar Kun, and the event's that followed. In this fear they twisted it to arrogance and with it an air of sanctimoniousness in their own actions. In it's own way, they fell, and it is a quiet thing to fall.
Their fear of what happened before with Exar Kun led led to anger against Revan, and hatred for the Exile, which led to them suffering a terrible death at the hands of Kreia.
Lonna Vash Is Humble, Now She Is Arrogant And Five Times Worse Than Vrook Lamar!! First She Was 100 (Very Light), Now She Is 30 (Dark).
WHY CAN"T WE HAVE MORE OF THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
+Caius Marius yeah what happen to these type of games!!
ordinaryrapper08. Call of Duty happened. Overwatch happened. Minecraft happened.
Cuz Obsidian isn't big enough.
Arrogance, impotence, and cruelty. Arrogance: the Jedi admit that they do not understand the Force, yet are arrogant enough to use it to play God by cutting people off from it. Impotence: when the Galaxy crumbles beneath them, the Jedi decide to wait and see what happens. Such was also the case in Attack of the Clones, and that was what caused many of the Republic systems to cheer for both the clone troopers and formation of the Empire. Cruelty: In their arrogant view that Meetra was beyond hope, they cruelly attempted to cut her off from the Force.
REMAKE THIS GAME!
wish for kotor 3 still. thumb up if you agree
The sad part is that they did a set up for third part... It was supposed to be Revan and Exile joining forces to battle the unknown new power coming from beyond the edge of their galaxy... sort of like Mass Effect was.
It could have been the best game ever :( I'm so sad.
@@MrKosobi I agree what you all said.
@@MrKosobi It was because many kids those days came to the forums with question: "Who killed Laura Palmer?"... oh, sorry... "Where Revan wanders now?" Those kids didn't ever read a book. They didn't realize what happened to Revan so the game producers decided to proceed making money. Thanks God there was no KOTOR 3 and no "new power". For those who did not understand the story line of the original KOTOR I say go read some book, Dostoevsky maybe. Then you will need no explanation of what happened to Revan.
@@highbird4986 I see
One question. Why was kreia not so overpowered when she fought along side me?
She was still cut off from the Force herself, thanks to Nihilus and Sion.
Lol she's still OP as Jolee from KOTOR1. Consulars are quite OP, you know
If you build her to buff yourself she becomes the strongest member of your party.
Canon wise she was cut off from her power like the exile. At this point she was probably just holding herself back because she wanted to make her move when they were all gathered in one place.
Gameplay well she should have the highest force bar of everyone so just make her spam her powers.
Its not kreia who is strong its the Jedi who are weak who decided to ignore the world arround them.
That's the point. It's called a deconstruction, it takes apart the traditional elements of an RPG and forces them to serve the story. It's a brilliant line, imo.
By the Force how I HATED that part.... when I meet all those masters (except Vash since I never get the droid planet so she died on Korriban) they welcomed me back with almost open hands... until that freaking "reunion" in the enclave... no matter if you are at that moment a walking essence of the Light Side or borderline psychotic Sith the outcome is ALWAYS the same... leaving me with a question... why did i saved thier sorry three letters if at the critical moment they show me a middle finger?
Are Jedi really SO STUPID and BLIND to not see that Jedi Code *COULD BE WRONG* in many aspects and it's *OVER FUNDAMENTALISTIC INTERPRETATION* might be a straight road to DISASTER?.. o_O
Yes. The Jedi believe that strict adherence to the Code, and obsessive study of academia means that they can't be wrong. Hubris.
Cuz Avellone hates the Jedi.
gcHK47 "If a planet is not in our records it does not exist."
My wisdom as the exile is often above 30, dumbass lower wis "masters."
I mean, that's how they fell in the movies. If the Jedi were competent, it wouldn't be Star Wars
Only a sith would think this lolololol
Vash’s death made me bawl so loud that Revan died! Vrook’s death made me cough while laughing.
that's why this games writing kicks ass, it explains everything from starting as weak and shitty, to how you get stronger and gain xp
Wow, thank you for posting this! It really adds a lot more depth to what really happened to the Exile.
One thing though. Poor Vash. Kreia scolded the other three, but kept silent about Vash, who had mostly kept silent, herself. Still, she paid for just being there.
played this with the Extended Enclave Mod and it seems that exile brings on basically a reformation of the order via Kreia's manipulation.
In my light-sided, canon playthrough I could not save Master Vash on M4-78. She was killed by M4-78 and there is nothig you can do about it. This really made me go nuts because playing through M4-78 is tedious as fuck, and after enduring this for some hours just to save Master Vash, after she is saved, she is just killed off. WTF?
Fabian Fischer hey i’m angry too about M4-78 EP only master Vash is alive in other mod Its called m4-78 droid planet thats rather interesting becouse there is a more scenes and also when sion kill exile
Pride goes before destruction and a haughty spirit before a fall. Proverbs 16:18.
I'm happy im not the only one who live this game. This game is very important to me. It makes me who i am now
Dresqus same here, I wouldn't be who i am without this game
"Have you wondered why you got stronger after all the deaths you caused? "
Me: I dunno, maybe because THIS IS AN EFFIN RPG!!!
It is so obvious that Kreia intervened since cutting off the Exile's connection to the Force would have done the same to Kreia.
kreia was revans first master and whe revan had nothing to learn from her hes went in search of many masters he learned everithing he could from them and at last he returned to kreia to know how to leave the order how to leave the jedi forever
I fucking hated how arrogant the Jedi were in the kotor storyline that's probably why they didn't survive.. The Jedi afterwards were much better :)
The Jedi afterwards were just as bad, if not worse. They were generals in a war, even though they say that they're not soldiers. They killed sentients with flame-throwers, yet say that they fight for peace. The Jedi are as evil as the Sith, they just don't admit it.
Amazing!! Simply love your videos and kotor ii is awesome ^^
Keep them coming!
The subtitles say she but the audio says he.
Wow I'm speechless that was much better than the rushed KOTOR 2 version. Thank you for putting this on.
And the Jedi council once again shows how little they really know.
Council: We cannot fight this threat so we will hide.
Exile: Just watch, by the end of this game I'll have killed three sith lords!
Council: That's ridiculous!
Exile: Oh yeah, and all of you will be dead before this cut scene is finished.
Council: Wait what?
@davidwie Well kotor 2 production was rushed, so Obsidian had to cut alot of content, like the droid planet M4-78, where Master Vash would have been hiding.
When it was cut, they made it so Vash was dead.
I think people found the cut content and started to restore it really just have a new areas, people and alot more to play
KREIA IS VICIOUS!!!!!
woot go darth traya!! quite beastly
She has bought the truth and you condenm it.The arrogance.
Wow...thanks for putting this up Princess ^_^!
Great! Hopefully I'll see something like this when I get to Dantooine.
I Love The Jedi Theme Song.
kriea is just the most amazing person ever cuz she has all these deep quotes that r sometimes cheesy and sound liek a gurl in teh hood should say but ANYWAY she is just simply AMAZING
hadnt seen this before and ummm....WOW. thanks for posting
Lonna Vash (before Council): Humble, Very Light Side, Kind, Gentle
Lonna Vash (after Council): Arrogant, Dark Side, Selfish, Cruel (Thanks To Vrook Lafuck)
an echo in the force is what happens when any human dies but it is light and cannot damage but jedi can sense it but when thousands die it causes a massive wake which will kill anyone who can hear
THE AWESOMENESS!!!!!
TheprincessJ you rock! :)
And also xD: At 10:47 instead of She kreia says he :p
in a sort kreia's words are good
I loved getting to see the extra attacks kreia infliicted on the other masters much better than the original scene!
Off topic I know but I cannot listen to Master Vrook talk without thinking of J Jonah Jameson from Spiderman The Animated Series.
I still don't know how save Lonna Vash.
Giovani Comin The mod automatically saves her, she ends up alive, finding her on M4-78 instead of Korriban.
Wait I thought after I find all three masters I should go to Korriban then I receive a message to go M4-78.
She was killed there when I used the mod.
HawaiiKnut
Yeah she dies on MR-78 because she's not supposed to be on Dantooine. If she still died on Korriban, then either something wrong happened to the mod or you had already met the other three masters, doing that also negates the mod.
epic kotor moment
the scene that was shown never got to the smoothin stage. It was adjusted since M4-78 and thus 1 jedi master was left out. thats why you see and hear a lot of bugs
yes, carth and bastila make a short appearance only
When ever a living being dies it sends a wake in the force the sith thrive on it and jedi don't
@JM1980s the funny part is after i saw your comment i played some Dragon Age Origins and when Duncan wanted to recruit me there was a dialogue option saying "A Grey Warden? This is madness!"
at 10:46 when Kreia says " Endure what she has endured " .... Instead of saying she, she say he.........
"you were deafened"
"at last you could hear"
"you were broken"
you were made whole"
you were blinded"
"and at last you saw"
+Chris Kocho On M4-78, using the restored content mod she ends up alive instead of dead on Korriban.
@Foursworn Yep. Vash did nothing... and doing nothing is apathy... and, like the vision of Kreia says in the tomb on Korriban, apathy is death.
What the Masters were going to do to the Exile was overly harsh and just plain wrong. They being Jedi should have known this.
Vash or any of the other Masters should have spoken out against what was happening, but didn't. Vash paid the price for her silence! :p
This scene is after completing the restored content on the droid planet (through a mod).
wow that was awsome...I like the dialogue I havent heard
@Jartarf he wasnt kept in the crystal cave until the point that the exiles come across him, he probably just retreated to the Enclave sublevel which is intact by KOTOR 2 during the bombing
im so pissed that they cut this content
As I've said, this is a follow up to my M4-78 vid. On M4-78 (a modded planet), you find Vash alive, and can free her or kill her. I freed her, and thus, she showed up on Dantooine with the other masters.
I freed her too but she ends up dead anyway.
6:50 is why this game is amazing.
an Echo in the force can be so powerful that it can instantly kill a jedi when heard it can kill even those deaf to the force
sometim wierd was that master Vash spoke like only twice through that 10 min speech while the others were just never stopped jabbering
Originally she was on M4-78, the droid planet. She was killed off so they didn't have to make new voiceovers for her on Korriban when M4-78 was cut.
I always wondered what would happen if I saved Dantooine for last and killed Vrook but not the other two Jedi Masters, Zez-Kai Ell and Kavar...
The Jedi Council never understood that it was not the force tht made the exile such a great leader. Th Exile is a natural leader. the wound they sense in the exile is his/hers alone. Malachor V echos threw out the galaxy because it is strong in the dark side. Kriea Is a great master. he saw the corruption and arrogence in the council. they would not listen so she made them see.
Why do I always get the feeling that the jedi masters were being controlled by the dark side in this scene?
They were
they were the "Arrogance" that Jedi Masters that did not know war...that why it was they had to die especially vrook then the others became the new Jedi Order ur companions the Lost Jedis......while u left to find revan. Atris,bastila,brianna,mical(diciple),atton,visas,bao-dur they all make the new Jedi High Cousil without the old arrogance from the ones that where killed.
Vrook is do blind to it all.
No. Kreia was Revan's master before the Mandalorian Wars. The Council believe it's her fault that Revan got so corrupted.
And is there any other ending, like even a mod, I was just a little saddened at this part
PFFFF... Looks like Jedi Council has become damaged with shity graphics after M4-78... what the heck?!
kreia was revan's first master if you didnt know.
Comprehension skills needed badly...
At 10:46 Kreia says: Endure what HE has endured...
Anyway great vid, 5/5.
Actually Master Vash is supposed to die trying to save you from Sion on Korriban or M4 .
I don't think I've ever seen that before...
im totally in awe hahaha
ROCK THE FUCK ON KREIA!!!
She's alive to torment you...
And after this, will anyone else say that Traya is weaker than Sidious?
Is there any to fight all of the Jedi masters here? I know you could fight some of them if you just kill one, but can you fight them all at the same time?
+Kibby116 If you save them all you won't get a chance to fight them, if you have killed one of them before you will have to fight the rest of them on Dantooine.
there should have been a big fight sene here bettween kreya and the jedi council
i always liked Kavar... thats why on Dark Side i kill all the masters except him!
but i kill him at the enclave... so it kinda renders the not killing him thing redundant
I never liked how arrogant the Jedi in this game were... Kriea is right, how dare they pass judgement on someone who came back to help them.
Technically she saves her own life like 3 times.
But Kreia is one powerful character.
5:18 ...
you were deafend...you could hear..
you were broken...you made whole..
you were deafend ..and at last.. you saw..
I'm actually a little disappointed that this wasn't preserved in the RCM-compatible M4-78EP. Has anyone managed to make a tweak to do that?
XD ATTON TALKING ABOUT PAZAAK LOL
Awesome.
However, why does Lonna Vash's mouth only move a little when she spoke? Didn't the modders use the Lip Sync Editor on her face to match the dialog? Or was it simply model limitations?
Vandarr is dead in Kotor II by Darth Nihilus.
zez kai ell dosint know about exp
Anyone know why they cut Vash? I mean, sure, they cut M4-78 to save time, but when you find her dead... that must've taken time, too.
i started screaming like a fan girl when Atton suddenly appeared
LOL
after they stop talking i tried to talk to them again but when i click on them they all died and keria said the dark sde ending so is that natrual or a glich
Damned self-important arrogant cowards, those so-called Masters. Good thing Kreia offs them all.
Wait the is a 4th Jedi master to be found? Where did you find her??
Been a long time but im gonna start another playthru i still have a my xbox and 360
@D3athROw100
This is what would have happened if the M4-78 content was still included in the game!
Which mod is this? I haven't played this game in a few years. This is VERRRRRRY interesting.
probably restored content mod
3:46 HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN!?!?!?!?!? lawl heavy ftw
You need to check your hearing and your sight...
Why the hell Lonna Vash is silent almost all the time?
And no specific phrase for Lonna Vash from Kreia as there was for others...
In the real version of the restored content mod combined with the M478 mod Vash ends up dead just like in the original version where she dies on Korriban. Several of the lines in the video appear to be cut from previous lines in the game (such as the "she deserves to know the truth" line being cut from the exile's trial on Courasant in that recording early in the game). This is all under the assumption you are playing on the lightside
Most likely because Obsidion simply didn't have time to record her lines. Most of the lines in TSLRCM are taken from the game files, lines that were recorded but never implemented. Vash most likely didn't have her lines recorded, since she dies in the final cut of the game.
Дмитрий Зеленский and when the lines came back because of the mod, there were multiple lines on M4-78 but only 1 line on Dantooine
i've not played kotor 2 but that looks a lot like bastila. i assume it's a mod or something, or are revan and bastila in kotor 2?
hehe... i thought vrook would never die
The link in this vid's description leads to the other vid I made (that this one is a follow up to). THAT vid has a link in it's description that will lead you to the M4-78 mod. ;)
How did you have vash survive though. When I did M4-78, I saved Vash only for her and her padawan to be killed by M4-78. How did you have Master Vash live?
can you even save the jedi master on korriban on the xbox version or is it immpossable?