other problems with plastic skid plates: (i) plastic does not age well compared to steel, especially when exposed to the elements, and (ii) it becomes more brittle in cold / freezing weather.
I think this is the only channel with detail conditions with a manual. And I agree, the fancy features are awesome af but bear bone manual you can’t beat! Hopefully Toyota upgrades the manual to hold more torque.
@stevenpeterson7234 I had the same truck as you, and I traded in for a 2024 tacoma off-road because I have now more ground clearance and also the ride is way better.
I can’t believe that differential skid plate is now plastic. That’s ridiculous. First they convert their gas tank skid plate to plastic and now this. 🤦♂️
@@lillianachannel yes. That’s why I said first the gas tank and now this. What’s strange is the 5th gen 4Runner is steel both front and gas tank skid plate.
You can get a ZR2 for $44k USD after dealer discount. That's the best off roader for your money.....since 2017. Considering I paid $41k for my 2018 (7 years ago), that's not bad
@@robertedwards3822 I’d give that award to the Nissan Frontier instead. You can get a Pro-4X for even under 50 grand. And even better with the 2024 models since those will have discounts as the 2025 refresh models roll into dealer lots. Plus it’s made in the USA like the ZR2 but, unlike the ZR2, it has a V6 and it’s naturally aspirated.
Thats why prefer the trucks we get in the rest of the world. Diesel engines, non hybrid, more payload and towing, way more simple and cheaper even though 30k for a truck is still a lot
Glad to finally see these tires in some real world testing! I’ve been thinking these could be a better fit for my actual daily driver uses case on my 4Runner. Great to hear they were largely a pleasant surprise
Thanks for the great review. It also has a somewhat useable back seat vs the TRD Pro with the weird seats. The manual has a built in anti theft device as well.
Having a standard is unique, but the automatic has a lot more features. Sport shifting and crawl control give you options. The 3rd generation standard transmissions uses a keyed ignition vs start button.
I've driven the 2023 and 2024 off-road tacos for long periods of time, and I loved the fun i had in the 2024. The 2024 ride was so smooth, quick, better acceleration, easier to drive, better interior, and was amazing off road. The turbo sound was great. The 2023 acceleration was slow, drove hard, loud, and felt like i was driving a tank. It was rough driving it in Colorado. The 2024 will be mine in 6 months.
Because measuring at the highest point gives you more impressive numbers than measuring at the lowest point. 11 inches sounds better than 8 inches in the marketing brochure. They teach this stuff in Business School. 😃
The payload capacity would be severely reduced with the bed rack installed. There should have been a sticker added in the door jamb showing the reduced amount.
That TRd Off road is about equivalent to my Nissan Pro 4x, for the same price. But for their base price is what I got a fully loaded truck for. And my Nissan has metal skid plates underneath, and a a bunch of cameras. Maybe the cameras aren’t the best quality but they work well. And with the reliability issues with the new Toyotas, I’m glad I passed.
@ the old tacos are more reliable. I don’t know what you’re smoking but I’ll try some. The new Tacomas and Tundras are full of recalls, motor,transmission, and front differential issues. They are way over priced for what you get.
Reliability, fit and finish and plastic composite under body protection are my only concerns. It is a really nice truck, and I love manual gearbox. But the troubles Toyota have been experiencing as of late make me hesitant about handing over my hard earned money. Great offroad review. TK.
1:08 yeah quite strange that not only does it lose a few hp and tq, but the RPM that torque peaks at is pushed out considerably from the automatic model. I think the auto makes peak torque (317lb-ft) at 1700rpm while the manual doesnt hits "only" 310lb-ft at 2800rpm.
Good to see you didn't pop one of those front internal bump stops 😁. Seriously though, great review and breakdown of the manual version of the new Taco. I'm personally gonna wait till they fix a few issues for the mean time though I really wanna test drive the new Ranger Raptor as well. Going back and forth on these 2 trucks.
Yes, if I were going to get a Tacoma that is the exact truck I would get. Even though the Trail hunter is cool I would never pay the price being asked for it.
Also there's more room between the front and back seats because it's manual transmission is not taking up to much room!!!!!!!!! As the automatic for some reason takes away 2" of room
Steve, superb review my man! If I would be on the market for a Tacoma I would go for the Off Road manual but with the disconnecting sway bar option. All the plastic bumpers and skid plates would be replaced with steel parts. No bed rails though. Great review!
I just bought a 19' frontier pro4x with 51,000klm that cost me 35 thousand PLUS, less than this truck. I was originally considering a new tacoma but changed my mind. Zero regrets.
Hey Steve, you need to do another video with the 2024 Nissan Titan Pro-4x and actually do a good Video for the last hoorah!! Actually go throught the woods and hydroline with it!! Prove to everyone it can do it, don't just stop like you did before and say it's stuck!! Ive went through worse and it did amazing!! Don't lie to the people!!
I feel likke thsat price is way too close to the colorado zr2 and thats before discounts. Colorado has more power, front lockers, nicer interior, better tires, etc... Thats worth the small increase in price.
These are robust and very well powered trucks. The so called “4 banger” works very well, with all of its torque around 1800RPM, you have gobs of power at any speed. I’ll put it up against a “DATSUN” anytime👍
I say in a new Tacoma SR5 at dealer last week. I have a 2022. To me quality of interior was sorely lacking. Interior door covers in top were so flimsy and moved would make 1980s GM proud. Shift level jiggled in place. Glovebox was moving in place. They have a lot of work ahead to make this one as so,I’d as prior Gen. disappointing to say the least.
I have yet to see a TRD off road down here in the states for less than 50k. Even in a manual. Would have been interesting to see an automatic tested at the same time. My guess is the difference in gearing would make a big difference.
@@is6566 Actually, to my amazement, he got a Ridgeline thru the left hook in a comparison against the Maverick Tremor. It struggle to get thru way more than the Maverick, which had much better angles and clearance. But still, it made it.Can't remember if it made it across the ditch or not.But I was amazed it did as well as it did.
@@sinister184the video proved he DIDN'T miss the gear. At that speed 1st great would've pegged the RPMs. Toyota tuned the engine down so the transmission could handle it.
@@treverlebarre5502 I’m not arguing all this shit again. There’s threads of very thorough analysis on why it did what it did. Go read it. They f’ed it up.
Make sure not to downshift it😂 man growing up we would be beating the S out of all our old manual trucks and cars and no one ever broke their transmission and I never once changed the fluid back then 😂
You can get all 3 extra skid plates for about 1500 CAD, just went and priced this out, doing it right would be about 63k CAD (the rack is 4400 and I would much rather go for an ORO over a purpose built if its double the price) That being said, Ranger Fx4 fully tricked out is still 6k less after taxes and 3% less on financing at this moment in time if not paying cash
Sad to see a historically great truck becoming more expensive with plastic skids and a turbo that's gonna be a headache to fix with any problems. Cost to benefit with Toyota getting slim.
Love my first gen. Still running strong 25 years later. I wouldn't consider anything made after 2017 with Toyota's hybrid crap, turbo engines, and plastic joke skids. Come on Toyota get it together.
Crazy to think I paid 35k for my almost fully loaded 17 Trd Offroad 7 years ago....I'll wait until these manufactuer's feel the pinch of gouging before I pay that much for a truck, especially for a midsize. That's a 30k truck....not a 50k+ truck.
Besides the plastic skid plates which is totally ridiculous to put on a off-road truck this is the truck to get if you want a Toyota. At 43,000 you can put better tires on there add some real skid plates and you have a fairly equited off road truck. All that extra stuff like cameras and drive modes is nice but not necessary. Older guys like myself got along just fine back in the day without all those wiz bang gizmos that trucks have today
What Toyota did for me with their new trucks pricing and uncertain reliability...Made me invest in my 195k kilometers 2010 FJ , new suspension and brakes...
Taking a 60,000 dollar truck (tax plus tags)in the mud and up hills , doesn’t make much sense any more, sxs do the same. Most vehicle insurance will not cover the type of driving you show when damage happens, 60 k not something to burry in the mud. With all the accessories great for areas of snow and job commute.
Thanks Steve good review , but at that price point it puts the Nissan pro 4 x into play that has about the same off road features which one is the better value?
The biggest positive for this truck is that its the only one left in its class that offers a manual transmission. And that's the only reason its on my short list for my next purchase. Still way over priced but a lot simpler then all the absurd nonsense offered on the other models. As a side note according to some of Toyotas engineers on as to why the stick has less power its because they can't control how much power goes to the drivetrain components. Which tells me on the auto while its higher rated it doesn't mean a lot if the computer is pulling back on the power. Just my2c.
For $53k those skid plates should be metal. Better value than the Pro? No doubt. But good value overall? No. As keeps being said the whole market is over priced. You can buy trucks in the used market, with low k's, for far less than new.
Too much cost cutting on materials while charging a premium for Toyota and TRD name plates. They’ll sell well off branding alone. I’d rather buy a used last gen or a fully loaded Frontier for less money on either.
Here’s something I’m wondering. If Trump makes good on his Tariff threat, will Canada still get Tacomas tariff free? I assume they travel through the states to get there. Or do they travel by sea somehow and skip the states? People complaining about the price now, probably haven’t seen the worst of it yet. 😮
Payload number is respectable considering it came with the ARB accessory from the factory. Anything under 1500lbs is painful though. The bed looks tiny so 1200 might be fine. Plastic skid plates are not good. I actually prefer alum as it's purpose to give before the rest of the permanent truck parts, it's a consumable. I'm sure I'll be disappointed in the price, but I'll wait until the end to be disappointed. Was pleasantly surprised that the price was not totally outrageous just normal levels of disappointment. Compared to the luxury trucks, it has solid value. Cameras: I have an F-150 and find have factory 360cameras lacking in clarity and while better than nothing, I'll probably want to add some aftermarket cameras that work at any speed. (ford prevents viewing some cameras at certain speeds) I like the conversation around value vs bling of high-end baja fast movers was balanced. That 30k savings gives you the liberty to spend on upgrades you actually want.
When pickup trucks start mimicking a childs battery toy version. It's time to stop buying them. What's wrong with metal bumpers? Having a hood that flutters because it's paper thin. $50 to $70K for a vehicle that's half plastic.
I could be wrong, but i think alot of toyota's are made in Mississippi Alabama and Mexico. None of them places are known for quality workers, especially Mississippi, which is consistently the worst in every category in the entire United states. Wonder why there having all sorts of major issues this could be the reason.
Maybe assembled in Mexico but alot of parts are being shipped from all over. Like the engines in the tacoma and tundras are now made in Alabama and are blowing up already.
Got my '24 Solar Octane OR 6MT in September. First time buying a new vehicle, first Toyota, no regrets.
other problems with plastic skid plates: (i) plastic does not age well compared to steel, especially when exposed to the elements, and (ii) it becomes more brittle in cold / freezing weather.
Not to mention Total designed it so if you have to remove the screen plate to do an oil change that may cost by about 100 bucks
@@seanh2390 just cheap corner cutting by Toyota. What a joke that is
@@robertedwards3822 Just get a Rival when they are ready (if not already)
I think this is the only channel with detail conditions with a manual. And I agree, the fancy features are awesome af but bear bone manual you can’t beat! Hopefully Toyota upgrades the manual to hold more torque.
Loving my 2020 TRD Off-Road more and more!
Love mine too, with the dual climate control and wireless charger.
My 23 Nissan Titan Pro-4x is the best truck!!
@@stevenpeterson7234not in Canada
@stevenpeterson7234 I had the same truck as you, and I traded in for a 2024 tacoma off-road because I have now more ground clearance and also the ride is way better.
I can’t believe that differential skid plate is now plastic. That’s ridiculous. First they convert their gas tank skid plate to plastic and now this. 🤦♂️
Gotta keep putting those micro plastics into our environment and ultimately into our bodies.
The gen 3 gas tank plate was plastic also. At least it is on my 2019 trd pro.
Cost cut.
@@lillianachannel yes. That’s why I said first the gas tank and now this. What’s strange is the 5th gen 4Runner is steel both front and gas tank skid plate.
They didn't scrimp on components on the 5th gen. 4Runner
Plastic skid plates for a TRD Off-road that costs $53k. Shame
These off road videos you do are the best. Hopefully you will run a lot more of them. Run a couple HD trucks through this course.
You can get a ZR2 for $44k USD after dealer discount.
That's the best off roader for your money.....since 2017.
Considering I paid $41k for my 2018 (7 years ago), that's not bad
44k in 2018 is the equivalent of roughly 55k today. Money lost a lot of value over the last few years.
GM sucks
He’s saying you can get a new ZR2 right now for $44k.
@Holden… Clearly, in the GM world money didn’t lose as much value as in the Toyota world. 😃
@@paulm6481Hahaha... I'm a Toyota owner. Have you seen the Toyotas recently?
I still feel that 53K are overpriced - but you are right that this is the best valued Taco
But not the best value midsize. That would be the Colorado ZR2. Made in the USA not Mexico. Can’t wait for the Trump Tarrifs🤣
@@robertedwards3822 Best value midsize is not a 4 cyl Chevy...look no further than the V6 Frontier
@@robertedwards3822 You can't wait to pay a lot more? Let us know how you will be feeling in 6 months :)
@@robertedwards3822 I’d give that award to the Nissan Frontier instead. You can get a Pro-4X for even under 50 grand. And even better with the 2024 models since those will have discounts as the 2025 refresh models roll into dealer lots. Plus it’s made in the USA like the ZR2 but, unlike the ZR2, it has a V6 and it’s naturally aspirated.
Thats why prefer the trucks we get in the rest of the world. Diesel engines, non hybrid, more payload and towing, way more simple and cheaper even though 30k for a truck is still a lot
Glad to finally see these tires in some real world testing! I’ve been thinking these could be a better fit for my actual daily driver uses case on my 4Runner. Great to hear they were largely a pleasant surprise
Thanks for the great review. It also has a somewhat useable back seat vs the TRD Pro with the weird seats. The manual has a built in anti theft device as well.
Having a standard is unique, but the automatic has a lot more features. Sport shifting and crawl control give you options. The 3rd generation standard transmissions uses a keyed ignition vs start button.
I've driven the 2023 and 2024 off-road tacos for long periods of time, and I loved the fun i had in the 2024. The 2024 ride was so smooth, quick, better acceleration, easier to drive, better interior, and was amazing off road. The turbo sound was great. The 2023 acceleration was slow, drove hard, loud, and felt like i was driving a tank. It was rough driving it in Colorado. The 2024 will be mine in 6 months.
Great video in an honest evaluation of the TRD Off Road truck. Thanks Truck King.
Loving my 24 offroad with the manual 20k km so far
Why do manufacturers provide ground clearance at the highest point? That means nothing in off roading, you need to know your lowest point.
Because measuring at the highest point gives you more impressive numbers than measuring at the lowest point. 11 inches sounds better than 8 inches in the marketing brochure. They teach this stuff in Business School. 😃
The payload capacity would be severely reduced with the bed rack installed. There should have been a sticker added in the door jamb showing the reduced amount.
Call ME old school but 53 large is still A LOT of money lol. Great review tho, keep em comin!
PSA: Canadian price includes freight and fees. The US price is just the MSRP.
thanks player
I’d tell Toyota to Drop some of the gimmicks and make it more affordable
That TRd Off road is about equivalent to my Nissan Pro 4x, for the same price. But for their base price is what I got a fully loaded truck for. And my Nissan has metal skid plates underneath, and a a bunch of cameras. Maybe the cameras aren’t the best quality but they work well. And with the reliability issues with the new Toyotas, I’m glad I passed.
The Taco is more reliable than the Frontier. Nissan is about done. They only have a year left. Good luck getting warranty work.
@ the old tacos are more reliable. I don’t know what you’re smoking but I’ll try some. The new Tacomas and Tundras are full of recalls, motor,transmission, and front differential issues. They are way over priced for what you get.
The Frontier has a better reliability score than the Taco. The updates for 2025 are fantastic on the pro-4x
@@torquespec4721 It is still more reliable than the Frontier. They are not full of issues that you describe.
@@user-tb7rn1il3q the 2024 Tacoma is widely known for being junk...stop being a fanboy and accept reality
Where’s your old man to test the manual
Banned from manual Tacos. 😁
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!! 😂
Lol
Excellent video, I drove a 22 and a 23 TRD SPORT 6MT now I’m in a 24 TRD SPORT automatic. It’s nice but I miss the GEAR CHANGING
Reliability, fit and finish and plastic composite under body protection are my only concerns.
It is a really nice truck, and I love manual gearbox. But the troubles Toyota have been experiencing as of late make me hesitant about handing over my hard earned money.
Great offroad review. TK.
1:08 yeah quite strange that not only does it lose a few hp and tq, but the RPM that torque peaks at is pushed out considerably from the automatic model. I think the auto makes peak torque (317lb-ft) at 1700rpm while the manual doesnt hits "only" 310lb-ft at 2800rpm.
Excellent episode as always!!! 😁
Great review Steve!
Good to see you didn't pop one of those front internal bump stops 😁. Seriously though, great review and breakdown of the manual version of the new Taco. I'm personally gonna wait till they fix a few issues for the mean time though I really wanna test drive the new Ranger Raptor as well. Going back and forth on these 2 trucks.
Yes, if I were going to get a Tacoma that is the exact truck I would get. Even though the Trail hunter is cool I would never pay the price being asked for it.
Also there's more room between the front and back seats because it's manual transmission is not taking up to much room!!!!!!!!! As the automatic for some reason takes away 2" of room
Where did you hear that?
As far as suspension is concerned, I've heard no front bump stops on the new trucks?
In the past, when you added Toyota's "off-road" package, it meant metal skid plates... That's pretty disappointing.
30k will get you a great suspension, better tires and a lot of money left over.
All the plastic pieces including bumpers replaced with high quality aftermarket parts improving approach and departure angles etc. agree!
But what can you say about the hybrid option? Can you feel any difference?
this is the trim to buy
Colorado ZR2 all day long.
Curious if you're ever run a 2WD with a rear locker through your tests? Like the Ranger or Prerunner? Would be cool to see how far they could go!
Affordable? Omg thats funny.
Steve, superb review my man! If I would be on the market for a Tacoma I would go for the Off Road manual but with the disconnecting sway bar option. All the plastic bumpers and skid plates would be replaced with steel parts. No bed rails though. Great review!
I just like the ARB bed rack
I just bought a 19' frontier pro4x with 51,000klm that cost me 35 thousand PLUS, less than this truck. I was originally considering a new tacoma but changed my mind. Zero regrets.
Nice looking truck like the package but how expensive tho ...ill stick with my 08 trd sport
No A-Trac? Or does it just kick in automatically, no switch?
I would love to see a comparison of a 6 ft box and 5ft box for off roading in the TRD off road.
Hey Steve, you need to do another video with the 2024 Nissan Titan Pro-4x and actually do a good Video for the last hoorah!! Actually go throught the woods and hydroline with it!! Prove to everyone it can do it, don't just stop like you did before and say it's stuck!! Ive went through worse and it did amazing!! Don't lie to the people!!
They stopped selling the titan a few years ago in Canada
@MichaelRennie-pg5mo
Oh, well never mind then. That sucks!!
For $50,000 canadian not a bad deal. Like the basic design, old school stuff. Also great selling point. Gotta mind to trade my 2019 Honda CR-V.
I feel likke thsat price is way too close to the colorado zr2 and thats before discounts. Colorado has more power, front lockers, nicer interior, better tires, etc... Thats worth the small increase in price.
This truck with 30K to mod it. It would destroy the Pro or Trailhunter.
No 4 banger, over priced, bad trans trolls out yet.... shocking but they will be coming soon💯
We are here observing😂
These are robust and very well powered trucks. The so called “4 banger” works very well, with all of its torque around 1800RPM, you have gobs of power at any speed.
I’ll put it up against a “DATSUN” anytime👍
I say in a new Tacoma SR5 at dealer last week. I have a 2022. To me quality of interior was sorely lacking. Interior door covers in top were so flimsy and moved would make 1980s GM proud. Shift level jiggled in place. Glovebox was moving in place. They have a lot of work ahead to make this one as so,I’d as prior Gen. disappointing to say the least.
damn fine work here
It is still a V4 twice turbo craps, how long it will last?. It is overprice for sure.
Any bump-stops? Great work gents.
Great review. Does the manual transmission come available on the longer bed TRD Off Road or just the short bed?
Give it a goog!
Short only. Been that way for many years
Great looking truck.
How are the headlights at night?
I have yet to see a TRD off road down here in the states for less than 50k. Even in a manual.
Would have been interesting to see an automatic tested at the same time. My guess is the difference in gearing would make a big difference.
I’m in Tennessee and dealerships have multiple trucks from 43-46k
I'd like to see this truck compared to the much wider more bang for your buck Ridgeline
Ridgeline would not make it through that course.
@@is6566 Actually, to my amazement, he got a Ridgeline thru the left hook in a comparison against the Maverick Tremor. It struggle to get thru way more than the Maverick, which had much better angles and clearance. But still, it made it.Can't remember if it made it across the ditch or not.But I was amazed it did as well as it did.
Totally agree!!!!
Affordable at 50k+ is NOT Affordable. 10-15k is overpriced...
Totally agree.
50k IS affordable. Just how much do you bring home every year?
CORRECTION... THAT ISN'T THE ONLY ENGINE AVAILABE INT THAT TRUCK. I have the hybrid in my TRD OR. Mine came with Wildpeak AT3Wa tires.
Only one available with the manual
Plastic skid plates? Really Toyota?
Can't get the 6 speed manual with the long bed.
I think at this point I’m shopping used for Tacoma. 21-23 model year
This exact truck in Canada is cheaper than a base 2025 frontier
Surprise this one didnt break like the last one
It’s probably good. I’d rather buy a gently used 5.7 tundra TRD pro for less tho. But that’s me.
Great review. Happy Thanksgiving.
They gave yall another manual after you grenaded the last one? 🤣
@sinister184 I don't care what Toyota said. I watched that video, and the driver did nothing wrong. That was poor quality control by Toyota
Believe what you want. He totally missed the gear.
@@sinister184the video proved he DIDN'T miss the gear. At that speed 1st great would've pegged the RPMs. Toyota tuned the engine down so the transmission could handle it.
@@treverlebarre5502Now, now boy’s! Get a room already. 😝
@@treverlebarre5502 I’m not arguing all this shit again. There’s threads of very thorough analysis on why it did what it did. Go read it. They f’ed it up.
Compared to the competition its a bad value. A TRD pro is a terrible value when compared to its competition.
Ford Ranger Raptor for under 60k is possible. Sure it’s a Ford, but money in the bank and warranties make up for reliability to a point.
Make sure not to downshift it😂 man growing up we would be beating the S out of all our old manual trucks and cars and no one ever broke their transmission and I never once changed the fluid back then 😂
4 wheel high on the fly man. Your supposed to switch to 4 low driving slow reasons why you have to move the truck to get it to go into 4 low
I just want the same vehicle with manual, Xtracab and 6ft bed. Please offer that toyota.
Tacoma has been overpriced for a long time and the ridiculous mark ups by Toyota dealerships don’t help.
$43,000 for 2022 TRD sport 4x4 pretty well loaded. Not regretting it at all. After almost 3 years, zero issues, and rock solid.
$5k overpriced, maybe if it had the red skid plates? The fact that Toyota put plastic skid plates on an “off road” model is ridiculous.
You can get all 3 extra skid plates for about 1500 CAD, just went and priced this out, doing it right would be about 63k CAD (the rack is 4400 and I would much rather go for an ORO over a purpose built if its double the price) That being said, Ranger Fx4 fully tricked out is still 6k less after taxes and 3% less on financing at this moment in time if not paying cash
Sad to see a historically great truck becoming more expensive with plastic skids and a turbo that's gonna be a headache to fix with any problems. Cost to benefit with Toyota getting slim.
Love my first gen. Still running strong 25 years later. I wouldn't consider anything made after 2017 with Toyota's hybrid crap, turbo engines, and plastic joke skids. Come on Toyota get it together.
After 2023*, for tacoma
Crazy to think I paid 35k for my almost fully loaded 17 Trd Offroad 7 years ago....I'll wait until these manufactuer's feel the pinch of gouging before I pay that much for a truck, especially for a midsize. That's a 30k truck....not a 50k+ truck.
35k in 2017 is equivalent to 45k just from inflation which is higher than what this truck starts at
@@hunterfrog8678my 23 base trd off road was 40K so sounds about right. I still got a power sliding rear window, I think that’s an extra now.
Besides the plastic skid plates which is totally ridiculous to put on a off-road truck this is the truck to get if you want a Toyota. At 43,000 you can put better tires on there add some real skid plates and you have a fairly equited off road truck. All that extra stuff like cameras and drive modes is nice but not necessary. Older guys like myself got along just fine back in the day without all those wiz bang gizmos that trucks have today
What Toyota did for me with their new trucks pricing and uncertain reliability...Made me invest in my 195k kilometers 2010 FJ , new suspension and brakes...
Not for that price I’ll buy me a new frontier instead
frontiers are superior, if quality and durability is your goal
Taking a 60,000 dollar truck (tax plus tags)in the mud and up hills , doesn’t make much sense any more, sxs do the same. Most vehicle insurance will not cover the type of driving you show when damage happens, 60 k not something to burry in the mud. With all the accessories great for areas of snow and job commute.
I think all vehicles are overpriced. I do agree with you that the trd off-road is a better value compared to the trd pro.
2024 was never a good value. Does a new transmission come with the new truck?
Not right away. Sometime later in the ownership cycle.
Thanks Steve good review , but at that price point it puts the Nissan pro 4 x into play that has about the same off road features which one is the better value?
Nissan Frontier doesn’t have manual transmission.
The biggest positive for this truck is that its the only one left in its class that offers a manual transmission. And that's the only reason its on my short list for my next purchase. Still way over priced but a lot simpler then all the absurd nonsense offered on the other models. As a side note according to some of Toyotas engineers on as to why the stick has less power its because they can't control how much power goes to the drivetrain components. Which tells me on the auto while its higher rated it doesn't mean a lot if the computer is pulling back on the power. Just my2c.
I turned it off after you said 4 cylinder turbo
For $53k those skid plates should be metal. Better value than the Pro? No doubt. But good value overall? No. As keeps being said the whole market is over priced. You can buy trucks in the used market, with low k's, for far less than new.
Too much cost cutting on materials while charging a premium for Toyota and TRD name plates. They’ll sell well off branding alone. I’d rather buy a used last gen or a fully loaded Frontier for less money on either.
What the hell is Toyota up too? Overpriced is just the beginning of the issues on these updated trucks.
1200 pounds payload isn't enough to begin with, let alone at that price point for a pickup truck
You guys are definitely sponsored by Toyota. Just rename your site Toyota Kings. 😂
You should revisit this thought by first watching Stephen’s stress test of the previous gen 4Runner 5(??) years ago. Famous video.
@is6566 send me link if possible 😆
Here’s something I’m wondering. If Trump makes good on his Tariff threat, will Canada still get Tacomas tariff free?
I assume they travel through the states to get there. Or do they travel by sea somehow and skip the states?
People complaining about the price now, probably haven’t seen the worst of it yet. 😮
Payload number is respectable considering it came with the ARB accessory from the factory. Anything under 1500lbs is painful though. The bed looks tiny so 1200 might be fine. Plastic skid plates are not good. I actually prefer alum as it's purpose to give before the rest of the permanent truck parts, it's a consumable.
I'm sure I'll be disappointed in the price, but I'll wait until the end to be disappointed. Was pleasantly surprised that the price was not totally outrageous just normal levels of disappointment. Compared to the luxury trucks, it has solid value.
Cameras: I have an F-150 and find have factory 360cameras lacking in clarity and while better than nothing, I'll probably want to add some aftermarket cameras that work at any speed. (ford prevents viewing some cameras at certain speeds)
I like the conversation around value vs bling of high-end baja fast movers was balanced. That 30k savings gives you the liberty to spend on upgrades you actually want.
Everything you did with that truck other than the muddy puddles could have been done in 2 wheel drive.
I hit rocks with my skid plate, and it never cracked .It's not bad for a plastic skid plate temperature was -10c
bro just say the new Tacos are not worth the huge price bump over the previous generation.
Stephen, where's the child seat test?
He didn’t want to embarrass Toyota with that in a Tacoma. Child seats just don’t fit. 😃
We did test this previously, you can see it here ruclips.net/video/p1MV36Fy1b4/видео.html
Yeh yeh. Now you’re backpedaling Stephen. Just kidding. Happy Thanksgiving Day! Even in Canada.
Toyota, just bring back the good old fashioned manual transfer case lever. At least for 5k off road trims.
When pickup trucks start mimicking a childs battery toy version. It's time to stop buying them. What's wrong with metal bumpers? Having a hood that flutters because it's paper thin. $50 to $70K for a vehicle that's half plastic.
I could be wrong, but i think alot of toyota's are made in Mississippi Alabama and Mexico. None of them places are known for quality workers, especially Mississippi, which is consistently the worst in every category in the entire United states. Wonder why there having all sorts of major issues this could be the reason.
@rockie307 The Tacomas are made in Mexico
Maybe assembled in Mexico but alot of parts are being shipped from all over. Like the engines in the tacoma and tundras are now made in Alabama and are blowing up already.