The Hybrid provides solid value, given it is $5k less than the Civic Hybrid They ask for less, but give you less. I'm sure they are waiting for a redesign to give you a hybrid in league with the new Civic The more expensive Civic Hybrid is really competing with the Prius and Camry LE, based on price
NO it is not! The Toyota DEALERS and DISTRIBUTORS (scum) add all kinds of “forced add ons” to the car, and the dealers don’t budge on the price. The Honda is brand new, but in a few months there will be “deals” to be had, actually making it a better buy in terms of REAL WORLD PRICING!
@@747-pilot Yes!!!! THIS!!!! I have been looking (Nationwide) for months for a 25 Camry. Every Camry I find is loaded with at least $1,500 to $3,000 of extra F'n CRAP by the SCUM Distributors/Stealers only designed to F us. It has been extremely frustrating. I can't believe so many consumer are ok paying these SCAM fee's for 10 cent crap that only makes the car worse! I'm beyond livid, and may decide to not go Toyota this time around. Really chaps my a$$, as I rented a 2025 Camry a few months back for a week, really liked it.
@@wyw201 Yeah, they sell for MSRP, but tack on 2-4k in crap like mats, paint protector, lit door sills, edge guards, dash cams. JUNK that isn't worth 10 cents!
@naveenthemachine exactly and they don't have features like heated seats are not standard and u need as a package where as it is standard in subaru impreza sport that is only 2k more than corolla hybrid le awd and has a lot more to offer. Only 8inch screen in 2024 is unacceptable for almost 30k.
I wish Toyota made blind spot monitoring standard in the 2025 Toyota Corolla. It's frustrating because Toyota claims they care about safety but yet they want you to pay more for a convenience package to get what I consider an essential safety feature. OK I don't mind paying extra but here in Texas, it's impossible to find a base Corolla LE with the LE Convenience Package! So if I want a base Corolla LE, I have to forget about blind spot monitoring! 2025 Jetta, 2025 Sentra, 2025 K4, and 2025 Elantra all come standard with blind spot monitoring despite having a lower MSRP than the 2025 Corolla! Do better Toyota!
The Corolla Touring Sports Rules!!! Strangely, they don't off AWD with the British-built Corolla wagon as they do with the Corolla Touring wagon in Japan.
@@rightlanehog3151 How many Uber drivers need AWD ? 🙂 Uber and Taxi drivers driving Toyota Hybrids has become a bit of a meme. There again taking Taxis in Spain we had a Camry Hybrid from the Airport to the Hotel and a Corolla Wagon Hybrid on the way back.
I just got home from a round trip to Savannah from Philadelphia in my 2024 Corolla LE non hybrid w/convenience package. I averaged 47mpg. Car was comfortable for 12 hours behind the wheel each way😎
We have the Corolla in hybrid version in Europe for years now, extremly efficiënt car, up to 180 hp and very refined. Our Corolla's are build in the UK and sedan in Turkey. If I see the video's of Us spec Corolla's the materials interior are far behind the quality materials for European Corolla's.....far behind. That said, our Corolla's are priced like your Camry.......
Gas Corolla makes sense if you drive low annual mileage and plan to keep the vehicle for a very long time past the hybrid battery warranty expiration. If you buy the hybrid under this scenario, after 15 years, you would have saved very little on fuel and maintenance, yet will still be due for a several thousand dollar replacement hybrid battery. The battery will deteriorate with age even if you don’t put many miles on the vehicle. The hybrid battery might even go bad faster if you don’t drive it enough. The gas vehicle will be a better deal in that scenario
@@Tractshun that's so far off base. I bought my daughter a used 2013 ct200h in 2016. That car has performed flawlessly and reliably. I've been driving a Subaru and the cost of fuel and repairs far exceed the hybrid.
I just picked up a 25 hybrid Corolla le, so new they have to manually put it into insurance company. I'm older and I appreciate the simplicity and layout. Just enough and fits well. I'm 6'2
@@AlexAlex-gs1xh not sure, LE doesn’t even come with power driver seat and comes with 205 width 16” wheels .. not sure how is Civic lacking features here
@harrytej first the sport costs 27800 before tax which only has a 7inch screen amd no heated seats for heated seats u need to buy a hybrid and u need the second hybrid model for 9inch screen but at the end I said both toyota and honda are overpriced for what they offer. Subaru impreza sport costs the same as a civic sport and has more features.
@@AlexAlex-gs1xh Not a hybrid. Not an apples to apples comparison. Folks that buy these cars want extremely fuel efficient (50mpg plus) daily commuters, not features.
Toyota has a 25 year experience of making high volume hybrids with long lives. Honda hybrids in the same time were low volume with shorter lives, and lesser reliability. Reputation drives demand/prices in cars.
If it was available with a manual transmission I would prefer the non-hybrid, because I really like manual transmissions. But, if I can't get a manual transmission and it can only be automatic, then the hybrid car is absolutely the way to go.
Echoing what Kirk has said, does anyone else feel the Toyota has de-prioritized Lexus? The 2025 Toyota Corolla has Safety Sense 3.0 and the Lexus ES has 2.5! REALLY?
Toyota has one of the strangest distribution of features among its models. For example, for VAG first new innovations are presented by Porsche and Audi, then they will end up in a Golf/Passat years later. On Toyota/Lexuses, some flagship Lexus models such as LS will have innovations such as first LED headlights on LS600H in 2006, night vision, adaptive cruise and etc but then you have the first LED headlights on 2014 Corolla instead of Avalon, or Land Cruiser which doesn’t even make sense. Then you have pano sunroof that dims automatically on Toyota Venza and Lexus RX doesn’t get it. Or you have auto high leveling and adaptive LED headlights on Corolla Cross but not on Crowns, or other cars. So it is not necessarily pushing Lexus behind on purpose but Corolla brings them money, as does the RX at least in US/Canada. So they kind of are investing money where they can milk the most.
Lots of people think the difference in price for the hybrid needs to be made up for in direct fuel savings, but most of that price difference holds in the value of the car as time passes. In 10 years a used hybrid Corolla will likely have a higher average price than a non hybrid.
Hybrid battery is a consumable, there’s no getting around it. If you plan on keeping the car, a gas Corolla is probably a better choice vs a hybrid Corolla. That being said .. hybrids are quieter and smoother and now more powerful with the Camry and Civic .. so a purchasing decision is no longer about maximizing gas mileage and saving money.
Kirk, I see a bright future ahead for you in the auto biz. Who else brings us all the information about the Japanese car market). Perhaps the CEO of Toyota USA!🤩 Besides you'll get a free parking place for the Grome! If not, you always have US!
6:35 We have a 2020 SE CVT made in Mississippi and a 2024 Hybrid LE and the quality difference is apparent. I would buy a Northern KY Toyota over Miss., bc being from that area, I think the midwest has a stronger work ethic and more attention to detail than the deep south, but Japanese quality does make a difference. None of the panels on our Miss. Corolla are aligned very well and there are gobs of adhesive where they put too much and squeezed the parts together and then just painted over the "ooze." There is on gob underneath the center rear that is very visible from behind and it looks like the little SE is pinching one off.
The Civic drives so much better. It’s fast, dynamic and the gearbox is excellent. I find it too hard to pick between the two i just wish one of them had 360 camera. Atleast you get 10 year warranty on corolla.
Not just for fuel economy but the engine noise and cabin insulation on the hybrids is so much quieter than the non hybrids. Getting out of a Rav4 ICE and into a rav4 hybrid.. so much quieter.
If you're planning to keep the vehicle long-term, which is one of Toyota’s main selling points - reliability. Hybrids can potentially lead to higher repair costs over time.
@@AlexanderY18 Actually, Despite what you may think toyotas main calling point for hybrids.. is the fact that they’ve proven over the last 20 years and multiple hundred thousand miles that their hybrids last longer than their 4 cylinder ICE counterparts. Hence why toyota feels confident enough only seeking hybrids. There’s no lack of trust in their technology. It’s korean hybrids that are expensive after a few years
@@AlexanderY18 nope, no starter no alternator no belts , brakes are regen so they last 3x as long , Ecvt not regular transmission so less service required, Only extras on a hybrid are a few more litres of coolant and an air filter under the back seat. It's proven hybrids are less maintenance even after 10 years when the hybrid battery warranty is over.
@@mikej238 I agree with all of that. Up until the hybrid system starts to fail and you have a huge repair to do. It won't be a problem until 10 years, but it will arrive somewhere down the road. 10+ years old Toyota's are really popular in the used car market, it may no longer continue to be so with hybrids.
I’ve been enjoying my 2024 hybrid nightshade all wheel drive. On a five hour trip at a steady 65 miles an hour I am getting exactly 50 mpg so long as I keep the AC turned off. Not bad for my used case but I hope future Corolla models beat the Camry on mpg. The 225 width tires feel nice as well and the slightly more sporty suspension feels solid.
It’s coz the Canadian models have more standard features for an ok price. I have a 2020 LE here in Canada and it’s ok for what it offers, I will be finishing paying it off in a year from now
Hatches are less secure for storing things, for example after work you go somewhere and leave your laptop in the vehicle. I would rather have a locking trunk to secure it in vs. the openness of a hatch. I guess everyone has their own personal preference.
Only issue with the hatch is it takes headroom away for backseat adult passengers. I almost bought a Civic Sport Touring hatch last year but the back seat felt cramped compared to the sedan without a hatch. If you don't need adult size humans sitting in your backseat for anything over 10 minute drive, then the hatch is a great idea.
I want a rwd, 3.0 L, naturally aspirated, port-injected, non-hybrid, inline 6, with no stop-start, no cylinder deactivation, manual transmission Toyota Camry. Is that too much to ask for?
Kirk, You just got back from a Civic Hatch test drive, is it true the Corolla actually fits inside the Civic? 🤔 But seriously, the Corolla desperately needs a TNGA-C wheelbase that matches the TNGA-C wheelbase of the Prius. In the meantime, increase the monthly car payments by the cost a of a large pizza 🍕 and buy a Camry LE. Not only will you get a better car but you will cut calories by using part of your pizza budget for a superior automobile. 😉🤩
Consider you're driving routes before assuming a hybrid would be better for you. Myself for example almost all my driving is hwy driving and almost no traffic at those hours. The hybrid didn't make sense to spend $ on. My neighbors do the same drive (we work together) and got the camry hybrid. Great car. But....they couldn't understand why they weren't getting WAAAY better gas mlg than I did lol
The Corolla FX was a missed opportunity to make an affordable sporty alternative to the GR Corolla comparable to the Civic Si with a manual transmission.
I am not a hybrid person but honestly if I absolutely wanted to buy a Corolla or a Civic and the only transmission option is a CVT then I would buy a hybrid. For me it would be either a gas only and real transmission (or a mild hybrid and real transmission ) or full hybrid with a CVT. Maybe I am off base but the non hybrid Corolla with a CVT does not make sense? I know Kirk as a reviewer you have to put a positive spin on your reviews but a CVT just erases any sort of driving character a car has then on top of it mate it to a hybrid engine, at that point it just becomes an appliance to perform a function and not something you drive. 😢. Unfortunately I have resigned to fact that is where we are headed esp if we get to an all electric era.
I don't see the value of a Hybrid Corolla in my case. I do lots of highway driving, and if I was getting 58mpg on the highway, it would be a no-brainer, but you mentioned it goes down to 40mpg, which is what I can get on my current gas model Corolla on a good day. The extra expense and long-term maintenance costs for the Hybrid make the gas models much more attractive for my use.
I get 48 in my 23 Rav 4 Hybrid...on the highway . Ratings on Toyota hybrids are well under rated. There is less maintenance on a hybrid. Get your head out of 1999.
I own a 2024 Corolla SE Hybrid FWD. I drive a lot of miles for work, highway and suburbs. If you stay under 70mph you will get over 50mpg on the highway on avg. The moment you start accelerating in the left lane, driving to get somewhere in a hurry, is when the mpg drops down to the 40’s. Put the car in its amazing cruise control mode and cruise. If you want, go 55 or 60mph in the right lane and you will get into the high 50’s. You have to drive these cars like you are not in a rush so the battery is pushing you more often. Unlike gas cars, there can be 15 - 25mpg swing in efficiency when you are not in a rush. Sometimes in the suburbs or city, you can get into the 60-70s if you really game the system. I have gotten 99.9mpg driving 5 minutes to target because I kept my momentum!
@@ManCaveStudio when I first got my car I was not acclimated to it and would drive like I’m in peoples way and get on the highway at 80mph thinking it will still be efficient. I used to drive this way in my Tacoma which would get 18-23mpg. After driving my Corolla for 15,000 miles it became second nature to cruise around and ignore people passing me. Most people just drive their car however they want and have no regard for efficiency. I don’t blame them, especially if your car doesn’t reward you for it in a significant way. All I am saying is there are big rewards for learning how to drive these cars and it takes longer than a couple thousand miles swapping between many cars. If you do a little bit of research many owners of these cars claim big reward for learning how to drive a hybrid. Listening to 1 reviewer is just not good enough to get the whole picture.
Idk why toyota doesn't make a solid Civic SI competitor. We had the 2ZZ and the 2AZ powered XRS' then the got axed. Then we got the APEX that ALSO got killed off a year or two ago. ik they have the gr corolla but why not have a civic si competitor. they have the parts and 0 r&d needed.
My daughter still drives a 98 Corolla, and I still own an 86 4Runner. You can easily do it with proper maintenance. No more than 5K oil change intervals, and use a Toyota Oil Filter, not that Fram junk.
Hope they launch a pickup truck crossover version aswell for corolla to compete against the Ford maverick and Hyundai crossover pickup truck cause it's gonna sell like hotcakes baby
A simple manual transmission would make better use of the power it does have. I used to work at a Toyota dealership years ago and the manual Corollas always felt quicker than the automatic models.
in real world the hybrids aren't a $1400 difference because the hybrids usually sell at msrp while the gas models are discounted. so if you mostly drive highway save like 3 grand and get the gas only.
I am not a big Hybrid fan but I once rented a Sienna Hybrid to drive one way from Georgia to Virginia. I was surprised that we only had to stop to refuel once!
But… will they only be 1500$ with markups? I was looking a year ago and the math would have taken 4 years for gas cost alone to of break even with the extra price.
In Puerto Rico 1980's RWD Corollas are highly sought after. It's the only place where you will seen them still running around fully restored in pristine condition. A car will last as along as the owner is willing to maintain them and restore them.
So the Corolla will keep using the old Gen-4, rather than Toyota's newer, and much more powerful Gen-5 hybrid system. Which means there's no comparison at all with the '25 Civic Hybrid - especially the Civic Hybrid Hatchback with much better rear seat and cargo space.
They really need a complete design overhaul. It’s been the same for 6 years and it’s for the most part the same general shape and look since 2012. It’s time for Toyota to compete in styling with Honda.
I rented a 2023 model, it was the worst car I ever drove. The seating position was too low and had absolutely no power. The CVT transmission was so underwhelming. I then rent the Corolla Cross, same problem, even less power, the car just couldn’t accelerate. And all the switch gear was so cheap and flimsy.
toyota sold a matrix (hatchback) with damry engine .... wonder how mpg /grip couldve been given camry mpg better than corolla (hybrids) at least in highway
I would love a more affordable sporty Corolla hatchback with a manual transmission and LSD that slots between the regular hatchback and the GR Corolla.
@@mikej238 they already have partnered with BYD before. Also most governments provide subsidies for their car companies. this is not a new practice. not only for car manufacturers this applies to other industries
@@justifiedmasagony3635 No such thing as a BYD Corolla. Stop repeating nonsense. Every BYD sold loses over 10k USD. That's why Canada and the US will slap massive tariffs on them. Move to China comrade.
😂 no its based on car price, you think 1500 on a 27000 car is going to be noticeable. Don't repeat falsehoods . I bought a 23 Rav 4 Ltd Hybrid. Premium was 14 bucks a year more than the non hybrid which was 1800cdn less price. That's less than 1/4 tank of gas...
@mikej238 Sir, you live in Canada. I live in the U.S. We have different laws and regulations from which you are from. My sister is an insurance agent, and she has written premiums for cars with high insurance rates on hybrid vehicles than non hybrid vehicles. The reason is that hybrid batteries are expensive to maintain than ICE vehicles.
@@jraheemjefcoat429. My daughter lives in New Jersey, drives a 24 Kia Sportage Hybrid. Same story you're full of 💩. Insurance is actually higher in Canada . Get a better agent. There is no " maintenance " on a hybrid battery and Toyota hybrid batteries have 10year warranties.
I personally would only buy a 2018-2022 hatchback because those were the only years it was available with a manual transmission. I won't settle for CVT even if it's the only option.
Me too. However Toyota really needs to make another sporty affordable alternative that slots below the GR Corolla. The FX model was a missed opportunity to do this with a manual transmission, LSD and tweaks to the engine and transmission gearing to make it feel quicker. Then it would be comparable to the Civic Si.
They need to make a new GR Corolla that's not over $60. Scrap the AWD system and special 3cyl engine for a FWD hybrid system that's 220hp and under $40K. I'll buy one.
I totally agree. The FX model was a missed opportunity to make a more affordable FWD sporty alternative with a manual transmission, LSD and tweaks to the engine and transmission gearing to feel quicker. I recommend looking up a video review of the old FX16 on a RUclips channel that reviews older cars called - 1987 Toyota Corolla FX-16 review The 80's Hot Hatch the world forgot.
@@KirkKreifels what if you lift the sedans aftermarket to get the lower end structure to hit the same such structure of the taller sitting cars. it may also handle better than the equal weighing suv ?
I wish they brought the wagon version to the States
I wish I bought a corolla wagon or camry wagon or Mazda6 wagon when I was younger.
“wagon” is a taboo word here
Which Corolla wagon do you want? There is a Corolla Touring, a Corolla Touring Sports and a Corolla Fielder. I would like one of each.
We could only be so lucky. I would buy two.
I would LOVE the Corolla hybrid e-AWD Touring wagon
The Hybrid provides solid value, given it is $5k less than the Civic Hybrid
They ask for less, but give you less.
I'm sure they are waiting for a redesign to give you a hybrid in league with the new Civic
The more expensive Civic Hybrid is really competing with the Prius and Camry LE, based on price
NO it is not! The Toyota DEALERS and DISTRIBUTORS (scum) add all kinds of “forced add ons” to the car, and the dealers don’t budge on the price. The Honda is brand new, but in a few months there will be “deals” to be had, actually making it a better buy in terms of REAL WORLD PRICING!
@@747-pilot There are Toyotas hybrids that sell for MSRP, seems to be an issue with Toyota dealers in your area
@@747-pilot Yes!!!! THIS!!!! I have been looking (Nationwide) for months for a 25 Camry. Every Camry I find is loaded with at least $1,500 to $3,000 of extra F'n CRAP by the SCUM Distributors/Stealers only designed to F us. It has been extremely frustrating. I can't believe so many consumer are ok paying these SCAM fee's for 10 cent crap that only makes the car worse! I'm beyond livid, and may decide to not go Toyota this time around. Really chaps my a$$, as I rented a 2025 Camry a few months back for a week, really liked it.
@@wyw201 Yeah, they sell for MSRP, but tack on 2-4k in crap like mats, paint protector, lit door sills, edge guards, dash cams. JUNK that isn't worth 10 cents!
@@truthserum5310 We have dealers that sell for MSRP, no add ons.
Corolla needs a redesign
Agreed
Come on man it’s Toyota 😂
@naveenthemachine exactly and they don't have features like heated seats are not standard and u need as a package where as it is standard in subaru impreza sport that is only 2k more than corolla hybrid le awd and has a lot more to offer. Only 8inch screen in 2024 is unacceptable for almost 30k.
@@naveenthemachine no I mean it’s Toyota, as in its typical of Toyota to not change styles for YEARS
I like the exterior, but the interior needs a complete overhaul.
I wish Toyota made blind spot monitoring standard in the 2025 Toyota Corolla. It's frustrating because Toyota claims they care about safety but yet they want you to pay more for a convenience package to get what I consider an essential safety feature. OK I don't mind paying extra but here in Texas, it's impossible to find a base Corolla LE with the LE Convenience Package! So if I want a base Corolla LE, I have to forget about blind spot monitoring! 2025 Jetta, 2025 Sentra, 2025 K4, and 2025 Elantra all come standard with blind spot monitoring despite having a lower MSRP than the 2025 Corolla! Do better Toyota!
I want a 2.0 hybrid hatchback
My Uber in Berlin was a Corolla touring. Ride was great and the interior quality for the rear seats seemed very nice.
The Corolla Touring Sports Rules!!! Strangely, they don't off AWD with the British-built Corolla wagon as they do with the Corolla Touring wagon in Japan.
@@rightlanehog3151 How many Uber drivers need AWD ? 🙂 Uber and Taxi drivers driving Toyota Hybrids has become a bit of a meme. There again taking Taxis in Spain we had a Camry Hybrid from the Airport to the Hotel and a Corolla Wagon Hybrid on the way back.
I just got home from a round trip to Savannah from Philadelphia in my 2024 Corolla LE non hybrid w/convenience package. I averaged 47mpg.
Car was comfortable for 12 hours behind the wheel each way😎
At what speed?
@@HVAC_Jae 75
47mph with 4-cycle gas 1.8L? that great. so basically non-hybrid is very close to the hybrid? hybrid I thought get around 50mph.
47 average 😂 my butt. I get 88 on my hybrid
" average" 😂
@@mikej238 We're talking miles, not kilometers.
You are absolutely correct about XLE Corolla vs Camry LE. definitely people will prefer Camry over that.
We have the Corolla in hybrid version in Europe for years now, extremly efficiënt car, up to 180 hp and very refined.
Our Corolla's are build in the UK and sedan in Turkey. If I see the video's of Us spec Corolla's the materials interior are far behind the quality materials for European Corolla's.....far behind. That said, our Corolla's are priced like your Camry.......
I mean that Prius snaking the record with 93 mpg is crazy
Gas Corolla makes sense if you drive low annual mileage and plan to keep the vehicle for a very long time past the hybrid battery warranty expiration.
If you buy the hybrid under this scenario, after 15 years, you would have saved very little on fuel and maintenance, yet will still be due for a several thousand dollar replacement hybrid battery. The battery will deteriorate with age even if you don’t put many miles on the vehicle. The hybrid battery might even go bad faster if you don’t drive it enough.
The gas vehicle will be a better deal in that scenario
Wrong
@@Tractshun that's so far off base. I bought my daughter a used 2013 ct200h in 2016. That car has performed flawlessly and reliably. I've been driving a Subaru and the cost of fuel and repairs far exceed the hybrid.
I just picked up a 25 hybrid Corolla le, so new they have to manually put it into insurance company. I'm older and I appreciate the simplicity and layout. Just enough and fits well. I'm 6'2
Are they made in Japan? I heard future hybrids will be made in Kentucky. Is that true?
@Fr3cles mine is Japan Fuji heavy industries.
I agree with your previous video - I'd spring the extra bit for a Camry LE.
Or civic Sport for same price
@@harrytej no features in that.
@@AlexAlex-gs1xh not sure, LE doesn’t even come with power driver seat and comes with 205 width 16” wheels .. not sure how is Civic lacking features here
@harrytej first the sport costs 27800 before tax which only has a 7inch screen amd no heated seats for heated seats u need to buy a hybrid and u need the second hybrid model for 9inch screen but at the end I said both toyota and honda are overpriced for what they offer. Subaru impreza sport costs the same as a civic sport and has more features.
@@AlexAlex-gs1xh Not a hybrid. Not an apples to apples comparison. Folks that buy these cars want extremely fuel efficient (50mpg plus) daily commuters, not features.
Toyota has a 25 year experience of making high volume hybrids with long lives. Honda hybrids in the same time were low volume with shorter lives, and lesser reliability.
Reputation drives demand/prices in cars.
They both build valid hybrids cut back on the glaze
Toyota sold its first hybrid in '94....30 years ago.
Older Honda hybrids had many battery failures. Very expensive repair.
If it was available with a manual transmission I would prefer the non-hybrid, because I really like manual transmissions. But, if I can't get a manual transmission and it can only be automatic, then the hybrid car is absolutely the way to go.
I appreciate your honesty and opinions. I agree on buying the hybrid. Thank you.
Echoing what Kirk has said, does anyone else feel the Toyota has de-prioritized Lexus? The 2025 Toyota Corolla has Safety Sense 3.0 and the Lexus ES has 2.5! REALLY?
Toyota has one of the strangest distribution of features among its models. For example, for VAG first new innovations are presented by Porsche and Audi, then they will end up in a Golf/Passat years later. On Toyota/Lexuses, some flagship Lexus models such as LS will have innovations such as first LED headlights on LS600H in 2006, night vision, adaptive cruise and etc but then you have the first LED headlights on 2014 Corolla instead of Avalon, or Land Cruiser which doesn’t even make sense. Then you have pano sunroof that dims automatically on Toyota Venza and Lexus RX doesn’t get it. Or you have auto high leveling and adaptive LED headlights on Corolla Cross but not on Crowns, or other cars. So it is not necessarily pushing Lexus behind on purpose but Corolla brings them money, as does the RX at least in US/Canada. So they kind of are investing money where they can milk the most.
Lots of people think the difference in price for the hybrid needs to be made up for in direct fuel savings, but most of that price difference holds in the value of the car as time passes. In 10 years a used hybrid Corolla will likely have a higher average price than a non hybrid.
Hybrid battery is a consumable, there’s no getting around it. If you plan on keeping the car, a gas Corolla is probably a better choice vs a hybrid Corolla. That being said .. hybrids are quieter and smoother and now more powerful with the Camry and Civic .. so a purchasing decision is no longer about maximizing gas mileage and saving money.
Kirk, I see a bright future ahead for you in the auto biz. Who else brings us all the information about the Japanese car market). Perhaps the CEO of Toyota USA!🤩 Besides you'll get a free parking place for the Grome! If not, you always have US!
I want to see a hybrid Corolla hatchback!
6:35 We have a 2020 SE CVT made in Mississippi and a 2024 Hybrid LE and the quality difference is apparent.
I would buy a Northern KY Toyota over Miss., bc being from that area, I think the midwest has a stronger work ethic and more attention to detail than the deep south, but Japanese quality does make a difference.
None of the panels on our Miss. Corolla are aligned very well and there are gobs of adhesive where they put too much and squeezed the parts together and then just painted over the "ooze."
There is on gob underneath the center rear that is very visible from behind and it looks like the little SE is pinching one off.
They painted over "ooze" on the outside of the car?
Mississippi is the lowest IQ state in the country. That should tell you something.
The Civic drives so much better. It’s fast, dynamic and the gearbox is excellent. I find it too hard to pick between the two i just wish one of them had 360 camera. Atleast you get 10 year warranty on corolla.
Warranty doesn't really matter when a company like Toyota doesn't honour them
@@BigAltimaEnergy719 they are very good here in UK. Vw group are awful here.
The Civic is also available with an even better manual transmission in the Sporty Si trim that the Corolla FX should had been.
You really have to be nuts to buy a non hybrid Toyota. Just buy the bloody hybrid even if you drive mostly freeway/highway.
Not just for fuel economy but the engine noise and cabin insulation on the hybrids is so much quieter than the non hybrids. Getting out of a Rav4 ICE and into a rav4 hybrid.. so much quieter.
If you're planning to keep the vehicle long-term, which is one of Toyota’s main selling points - reliability. Hybrids can potentially lead to higher repair costs over time.
@@AlexanderY18 Actually, Despite what you may think toyotas main calling point for hybrids.. is the fact that they’ve proven over the last 20 years and multiple hundred thousand miles that their hybrids last longer than their 4 cylinder ICE counterparts. Hence why toyota feels confident enough only seeking hybrids. There’s no lack of trust in their technology. It’s korean hybrids that are expensive after a few years
@@AlexanderY18 nope, no starter no alternator no belts , brakes are regen so they last 3x as long , Ecvt not regular transmission so less service required, Only extras on a hybrid are a few more litres of coolant and an air filter under the back seat. It's proven hybrids are less maintenance even after 10 years when the hybrid battery warranty is over.
@@mikej238 I agree with all of that. Up until the hybrid system starts to fail and you have a huge repair to do. It won't be a problem until 10 years, but it will arrive somewhere down the road. 10+ years old Toyota's are really popular in the used car market, it may no longer continue to be so with hybrids.
I’ve been enjoying my 2024 hybrid nightshade all wheel drive. On a five hour trip at a steady 65 miles an hour I am getting exactly 50 mpg so long as I keep the AC turned off. Not bad for my used case but I hope future Corolla models beat the Camry on mpg. The 225 width tires feel nice as well and the slightly more sporty suspension feels solid.
GOOD LUCK FINDING ONE!
I would like to know how to put the date on ? Thanks
That 10" screen looks out of place in the FX
I’m in Canada and have a 2023 Corolla LE Hybrid. It already has the 7” MID, 4 usb C, safety sense 3.0 and blind spot monitor. 😀
It’s coz the Canadian models have more standard features for an ok price. I have a 2020 LE here in Canada and it’s ok for what it offers, I will be finishing paying it off in a year from now
The bigger hatchback Civic is better. I would get Civic Hybrid Hatch over Camry.
same bro. love hatches
Hatches are less secure for storing things, for example after work you go somewhere and leave your laptop in the vehicle. I would rather have a locking trunk to secure it in vs. the openness of a hatch. I guess everyone has their own personal preference.
Only issue with the hatch is it takes headroom away for backseat adult passengers. I almost bought a Civic Sport Touring hatch last year but the back seat felt cramped compared to the sedan without a hatch. If you don't need adult size humans sitting in your backseat for anything over 10 minute drive, then the hatch is a great idea.
If somwone wants in your car they are getting in your car lol@@BrianNC81
@@sn4rl277 Exactly. "Hatchback" is marketing nonsense. It's a liftback sedan with compromised rear headroom.
toyota couldn’t do anything nicer to corolla design and space.. the civic always wins for overall options.
Something else to consider when comparing Corolla and Camry is safety. Camry will be a safer choice. Safety matters.
What are differences between the 24 and 25 Corolla le?
I want a rwd, 3.0 L, naturally aspirated, port-injected, non-hybrid, inline 6, with no stop-start, no cylinder deactivation, manual transmission Toyota Camry. Is that too much to ask for?
Buy a Toyota Supra!
@@lucasnoritomi-hartwig3928 Why didn’t you get the Supra or Z4?
Yes. That would cost Toyota billions to produce, wouldn't be legal in many markets for long due to emissions regulations, and would sell very poorly.
@@johnkonde1975like from the 90's, maybe.
Fo whaaaa?
I'm sure the Corolla, Corolla Cross, Rav4, Civic, Accord, HR-V, CR-V will be 100% hybrid for the next generations
Kirk, You just got back from a Civic Hatch test drive, is it true the Corolla actually fits inside the Civic? 🤔 But seriously, the Corolla desperately needs a TNGA-C wheelbase that matches the TNGA-C wheelbase of the Prius. In the meantime, increase the monthly car payments by the cost a of a large pizza 🍕 and buy a Camry LE. Not only will you get a better car but you will cut calories by using part of your pizza budget for a superior automobile. 😉🤩
with how super tall you are, you definitely need the Camry LE LOL! Us shorter folk can fit inside the Corolla just fine!
The Civic hatchback top trim is over $34,000, that’s insane!
That's ridiculous. The Honda Jazz needs to come back to the US.
They need to add the 2025 GR to the site already
"need"? I think they'll survive if they don't.
Consider you're driving routes before assuming a hybrid would be better for you. Myself for example almost all my driving is hwy driving and almost no traffic at those hours. The hybrid didn't make sense to spend $ on. My neighbors do the same drive (we work together) and got the camry hybrid. Great car. But....they couldn't understand why they weren't getting WAAAY better gas mlg than I did lol
The Civic hybrid does 0-60 mph in only 6 seconds. The Corolla hybrid does it in 9 seconds. If you want performance, go for the Civic.
@@naveenthemachine Two days in a row your comments have been deleted. What is happening Naveen?
Civic looks better and drives way better, I would take the Civic.
I like the FX style... wouldn't mind getting it
The Corolla FX was a missed opportunity to make an affordable sporty alternative to the GR Corolla comparable to the Civic Si with a manual transmission.
Why do auto makers think we want a bigger screen? Its nothing more than a big distracting device especially at night with the glare in you face.
So they can add 1550$ to msrp
Especially when it sticks up from the dash like a sore thumb, bigger isn't better.
Yes boycott the stick out screens... We want ergonomic cars to drive not watch a screen all day long...
Majority of ppl do want a biggier screen
@@tigerskone2945 That stick out from the top of the dash like that??
I am not a hybrid person but honestly if I absolutely wanted to buy a Corolla or a Civic and the only transmission option is a CVT then I would buy a hybrid. For me it would be either a gas only and real transmission (or a mild hybrid and real transmission ) or full hybrid with a CVT. Maybe I am off base but the non hybrid Corolla with a CVT does not make sense? I know Kirk as a reviewer you have to put a positive spin on your reviews but a CVT just erases any sort of driving character a car has then on top of it mate it to a hybrid engine, at that point it just becomes an appliance to perform a function and not something you drive. 😢. Unfortunately I have resigned to fact that is where we are headed esp if we get to an all electric era.
Well the civic hybrid doesn't have a cvt
@@tyhyhhneither does the Corolla Hybrid. It's an Ècvt
I don't see the value of a Hybrid Corolla in my case. I do lots of highway driving, and if I was getting 58mpg on the highway, it would be a no-brainer, but you mentioned it goes down to 40mpg, which is what I can get on my current gas model Corolla on a good day. The extra expense and long-term maintenance costs for the Hybrid make the gas models much more attractive for my use.
I get 48 in my 23 Rav 4 Hybrid...on the highway . Ratings on Toyota hybrids are well under rated. There is less maintenance on a hybrid. Get your head out of 1999.
I own a 2024 Corolla SE Hybrid FWD. I drive a lot of miles for work, highway and suburbs. If you stay under 70mph you will get over 50mpg on the highway on avg.
The moment you start accelerating in the left lane, driving to get somewhere in a hurry, is when the mpg drops down to the 40’s.
Put the car in its amazing cruise control mode and cruise. If you want, go 55 or 60mph in the right lane and you will get into the high 50’s. You have to drive these cars like you are not in a rush so the battery is pushing you more often.
Unlike gas cars, there can be 15 - 25mpg swing in efficiency when you are not in a rush. Sometimes in the suburbs or city, you can get into the 60-70s if you really game the system. I have gotten 99.9mpg driving 5 minutes to target because I kept my momentum!
@@mikej238 I am only going by what he said in the video. Thanks for the clarification. However, the insult is lame.
@@robob221 Thanks for the clarification; this helps a lot. I wonder why he only got to the 40s on the highway. Maybe he was hitting too hard?
@@ManCaveStudio when I first got my car I was not acclimated to it and would drive like I’m in peoples way and get on the highway at 80mph thinking it will still be efficient. I used to drive this way in my Tacoma which would get 18-23mpg. After driving my Corolla for 15,000 miles it became second nature to cruise around and ignore people passing me. Most people just drive their car however they want and have no regard for efficiency. I don’t blame them, especially if your car doesn’t reward you for it in a significant way. All I am saying is there are big rewards for learning how to drive these cars and it takes longer than a couple thousand miles swapping between many cars.
If you do a little bit of research many owners of these cars claim big reward for learning how to drive a hybrid. Listening to 1 reviewer is just not good enough to get the whole picture.
Idk why toyota doesn't make a solid Civic SI competitor. We had the 2ZZ and the 2AZ powered XRS' then the got axed. Then we got the APEX that ALSO got killed off a year or two ago. ik they have the gr corolla but why not have a civic si competitor. they have the parts and 0 r&d needed.
Make it not ugly and I’m sold
Video starts @ 1:36.
Crazy how long the Corolla and rav4 have had the same design for so many years... could've sworn they barely just came out 😭
I'll keep driving my 2012 Corolla for another 20 years or so . . .
My daughter still drives a 98 Corolla, and I still own an 86 4Runner. You can easily do it with proper maintenance. No more than 5K oil change intervals, and use a Toyota Oil Filter, not that Fram junk.
My 2001 Corolla still going strong....only 60k miles. I'm 71 so it will outlive me!
I wish they make the bigger screen available on the GR Corolla
Hope they launch a pickup truck crossover version aswell for corolla to compete against the Ford maverick and Hyundai crossover pickup truck cause it's gonna sell like hotcakes baby
wish they gave us no screen Bluetooth options or some alternative. I think they kill the look of cars interior. wish Lexus still kept that option too
Needs to be as quick as the Civic hybrid or its doa.
My first car, will never forget , it also saved my family from a huge accident with a Hummer driven by a school kid, it needs little more power.
A simple manual transmission would make better use of the power it does have. I used to work at a Toyota dealership years ago and the manual Corollas always felt quicker than the automatic models.
in real world the hybrids aren't a $1400 difference because the hybrids usually sell at msrp while the gas models are discounted. so if you mostly drive highway save like 3 grand and get the gas only.
Cool
Hybrid good if you only drive around a city, you get on a highway and the gas will get better mpg. My 23 Corolla gas gets 43 hwy mpg at 80 mph...
I am not a big Hybrid fan but I once rented a Sienna Hybrid to drive one way from Georgia to Virginia. I was surprised that we only had to stop to refuel once!
What changes did the 2025 Corolla hatchback receive?
None, the 2025 Corolla hatchback came out 4 months back
Hatchback info not released with the sedan because the 2025 hatchbacks have already been on sale for several weeks.
I wonder what the redesign will look like?
Corolla LE Hybrid, Civic LX, or Camry LE Hybrid. The Civic Sport Hybrid only for the hatchback.
Have been waiting for the all new model for too long
Kirk would you take the the civic hybrid touring or Camry le as a daily?
This. My dilemma as well.
Bring us a Corolla Touring wagon hybrid.
That would actually bey top choice but as a GR Corolla or sporty FX with a manual transmission.
I'll buy one if they make the rear leg room equal to the Elantra's
But… will they only be 1500$ with markups? I was looking a year ago and the math would have taken 4 years for gas cost alone to of break even with the extra price.
Civic is going to eat Corolla’s lunch in 2025.
I had two corolla, and those lasted more than 15 years. MIss that car.
In Puerto Rico 1980's RWD Corollas are highly sought after. It's the only place where you will seen them still running around fully restored in pristine condition. A car will last as along as the owner is willing to maintain them and restore them.
@@evoman44 ya those are popular like the 1986, i know a guy with 550000 miles
You are right Kirk, Hybrids are so much better all around.
So the Corolla will keep using the old Gen-4, rather than Toyota's newer, and much more powerful Gen-5 hybrid system. Which means there's no comparison at all with the '25 Civic Hybrid - especially the Civic Hybrid Hatchback with much better rear seat and cargo space.
camry more mpg than corolla?
They really need a complete design overhaul. It’s been the same for 6 years and it’s for the most part the same general shape and look since 2012. It’s time for Toyota to compete in styling with Honda.
i'd rather buy these for under 20k.
Do I still need to pay extra for a eco mode?
Toyota Hybrids Need More Sound Deadening Materials surrounding the Outer Cabin of their vehicles 😮😊. Less interior NVH ❤😊.
Nice
I rented a 2023 model, it was the worst car I ever drove. The seating position was too low and had absolutely no power. The CVT transmission was so underwhelming. I then rent the Corolla Cross, same problem, even less power, the car just couldn’t accelerate. And all the switch gear was so cheap and flimsy.
This is why the new FX model without a manual transmission makes no sense to me.
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Why wouldn’t you give all-wheel-drive in the top trim? That’s almost ridiculous.
plenty of us don't want or need all wheel drive
When is the corolla redesign?
Corolla hatchback 2026 and the sedan is 2027
toyota sold a matrix (hatchback) with damry engine .... wonder how mpg /grip couldve been given camry mpg better than corolla (hybrids) at least in highway
I would love for toyota to bring the hybird hatchback to the states cry😭😭
I would love a more affordable sporty Corolla hatchback with a manual transmission and LSD that slots between the regular hatchback and the GR Corolla.
There is no more exciting car on the market than the Corolla. It touches my Soul.
Hybrid all day long. I own two 2021 Corolla hybrids and will never go back non-hybrid
Man the inside of that car looks cheap AF. Needs a serious redesign with more style, that dash mounted crappy display needs to go
BYD hybrid corolla or corolla wagon needs to come to the states
wth is BYD
@@mikej238 Chinese car company with arguably the most advance hybrid tech
@@justifiedmasagony3635 well that has nothing to do with Toyota or a Corolla. Go buy your Chinese gvt funded car
@@mikej238 they already have partnered with BYD before. Also most governments provide subsidies for their car companies. this is not a new practice. not only for car manufacturers this applies to other industries
@@justifiedmasagony3635 No such thing as a BYD Corolla. Stop repeating nonsense. Every BYD sold loses over 10k USD. That's why Canada and the US will slap massive tariffs on them. Move to China comrade.
There's an insurance premium for hybrid cars right now. I would rather take a non-hybrid to save money on already high cost insurance rates.
That's a really good point Raheem that I didn't even think about! Thanks!
😂 no its based on car price, you think 1500 on a 27000 car is going to be noticeable. Don't repeat falsehoods . I bought a 23 Rav 4 Ltd Hybrid. Premium was 14 bucks a year more than the non hybrid which was 1800cdn less price. That's less than 1/4 tank of gas...
@mikej238 Sir, you live in Canada. I live in the U.S. We have different laws and regulations from which you are from. My sister is an insurance agent, and she has written premiums for cars with high insurance rates on hybrid vehicles than non hybrid vehicles. The reason is that hybrid batteries are expensive to maintain than ICE vehicles.
@@jraheemjefcoat429. My daughter lives in New Jersey, drives a 24 Kia Sportage Hybrid. Same story you're full of 💩.
Insurance is actually higher in Canada . Get a better agent. There is no " maintenance " on a hybrid battery and Toyota hybrid batteries have 10year warranties.
@@jraheemjefcoat429 Hybrids are not that much more to insure in Canada. What’s happening in the US?
The 2025 Corolla hatchbacks are already out at dealers. So we basically already know that there are no updates between 24 and 25.
2025 Corolla hatchbacks have been out at dealers since May. Toyota even released a press statement back in May 14 about the 2025 Corolla hatchbacks!
I personally would only buy a 2018-2022 hatchback because those were the only years it was available with a manual transmission. I won't settle for CVT even if it's the only option.
After owning the same Honda and Toyota vehicle for 18 years Toyota wins hands down. If I want an "exciting" car I won't be buying a Corolla or Civic.
Civic. Corolla is like a tin can on wheels. I noticed the difference real quick.
“We’re here to talk about the 2025 Camry freak…..🤦🏻♂️” lol 😆
Redesign should come 2026.
AT 6:36 you just pointing to the Corolla and saying Civic sedan lol. See how deep an impression you have with the Civic hybrid lol.
The only Corolla I would buy is the GR, but it is way overpriced currently so I'm out.
It's not overpriced lol
Me too. However Toyota really needs to make another sporty affordable alternative that slots below the GR Corolla. The FX model was a missed opportunity to do this with a manual transmission, LSD and tweaks to the engine and transmission gearing to make it feel quicker. Then it would be comparable to the Civic Si.
They need to make a new GR Corolla that's not over $60. Scrap the AWD system and special 3cyl engine for a FWD hybrid system that's 220hp and under $40K. I'll buy one.
I totally agree. The FX model was a missed opportunity to make a more affordable FWD sporty alternative with a manual transmission, LSD and tweaks to the engine and transmission gearing to feel quicker.
I recommend looking up a video review of the old FX16 on a RUclips channel that reviews older cars called - 1987 Toyota Corolla FX-16 review The 80's Hot Hatch the world forgot.
Corolla almost never gets the car design right or the proportions! 2024 Corolla is very cramped and half the car of a Civic !
Screens are getting too big. No one needs to watch a movie while driving.
Hello 👋
Are you old enough to drive yet? ;)
@@KirkKreifels no but I will in 5 years 😁
@@KirkKreifels what if you lift the sedans aftermarket to get the lower end structure to hit the same such structure of the taller sitting cars. it may also handle better than the equal weighing suv ?
No. More room in a Civic.