Autism Trauma and PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder) - What's The Overlap?
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- Опубликовано: 24 мар 2021
- The symptoms of autism trauma and PTSD (post traumatic stress disorder) can look very similar.
So what's the overlap? And how are they different? Can childhood trauma cause autism? (Hint: No, there's a very important distinction)
In this video we'll explore complex trauma and how the polyvagal theory and principles of trauma informed care can help improve autistic mental health.
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Blue Knot Foundation Guides to Trauma Informed Care: www.blueknot.org.au/resources...
ICD-11 Complex Trauma: icd.who.int/browse11/l-m/en#/...
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I had a shrink ask me if I'd been through any traumatic experiences and I told him that I generally found LIFE to be a traumatic experience.
well put
I have to be honest and admit I let out a massive snorty laughter and thought 'Yeah.. This sounds like my whole life too, where life = traumatic existence!' I'd also said this many a time to a doctor, consultant or other bods from the medical zone trying to decipher us!
As for laughing and a bizarre sense of humour, if I didn't laugh at stuff (inappropriately at times) I don't think I'd be alive hear today typing this.
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The thing with this question, at least as a female if you answer yes, typically they will then diagnose Borderline Personality Disorder without taking in any other information and subsequent answers to questions will be colored by that answer. There needs to be way more knowledge and research into personality and way less stigma and knee jerk responses to women and trauma. Also, trauma doesn't mean you're an idiot and it also doesn't mean you are a hurtful, spiteful person. Someone with Mensa level IQ could come from a traumatic background... it doesn't mean they are flawed or broken... but for whatever reason we seem to think people who went through trauma to be less than, regardless of evidence otherwise.
@@danicastein7660 Funny thing you mention this here. Back in 2005 when I was 17 I was diagnosed correctly with Asperger’s syndrome (ASD wasn’t a thing back then). But then I had a different therapist give me the dreaded Borderline Personality Disorder diagnosis in 2008 because she said “Females can’t have Aspergers.” It then took me another few years to reclaim my correct diagnosis but even then it was back and forth. Now my medical shed has both. And it’s vague too. It says Autism Spectrum Disorder and Personality disorder (no specific one mentioned) mood disorder nos, generalized anxiety disorder and my personal favorite complex PTSD. I don’t think I have a personality disorder since I don’t think I have anything that goes with Borderline Personality aside from being a former self harm but it was head banging and not cutting and I have never felt suicidal and in fact I have thanatophobia.
THIS!! THIS is what I've been waiting for as I grew up in a mentally & emotionally toxic environment where I was traumatised and yet victimised for another persons problems as well as my own autistic problems and made to feel ashamed for how I was hence the reason I suspect I also suffer with cPTSD. The shame and blame was enough to make me feel suicidal... even as a kid.
I think autistic people are a very easy target for abusive people in general and abusive parents in particular. In my case I had a narcissistic mother and an alcoholic borderline father. As I was very gifted when I was a child I got much attention from my father and this caused my mother to be jealous and try to destroy everything I was and she was not.
paulo c my dad was not like yours but the same patern here ! A narcissistic mom and a dad who gives me a lot of attention (at first) and the jalousie of my mom !
@@paulocl2 - I, unfortunately, had two selfish and narcissistic parents who could barely look after themselves, or each other, never mind 3 kids and my parents divorced when I was 5 yo. Even back then I thought 'Ah so my Dad's leaving, at least the fighting and arguing will end and the doors and walls won't get kicked in after big fights!' Little did I realise that that was the beginning of the *REAL PROBLEMS* my life would endure - a bit like the calm before the storm that lasted for 20 years until I felt so crushed and destroyed that my only way ahead was suicide, so I pushed against so much and decided I'd rather be out and alone rather than with people who still hated me.
My mother simply went off the rails, making my fragile young life even more terrifying with me thinking 'If she can't look after herself, how can she look after me!?' That's the type of thinking no 5-6 year old needs to be concerned with. So with her going off the rails, and cos I wasn't out playing like my older brothers (7 & 9 yo,) as I was 5 years old, a lot of my mother's anger and aggression was directed at me and I was called clingy, mocked & bullied for being shy, told to snap out of it, mocked over my behaviour, repeatedly told in a vile and aggressive manner that there was something wrong with me and the other usual things people say when they've ruined their own lives and seek to blame others.
I went thru my whole life feeling and knowing something was wrong with me but my issues were always nullified by someone I felt hated me hence the reason I felt suicidal on and off from the age of 6-7. It's only in the last few years I have realised that my problems were a lot more than just depression and anxiety and a lot deeper. So I spent a lot of time combing my life and did a fair amount of reading, to ensure I wasn't barking up the wrong tree, and found my conditions closer to autism and complex PTSD. I'd even brushed off the concept of it as I felt other people had it a lot tougher than me but I thought that way cos I'd been programmed to think that way, from my mother, and then I decided to look deeper into all concepts of what was wrong with me.
As for my mother, she died February 2020, and I have to say I felt little to nothing over her death and had not been it touch with her for over 7 years. I even tried to force myself to cry and feel emotion but I got no more that a few tears and then my mind would simply say 'Forget her!!' My girlfriend, at the time, cried more than me and even she knew how bad I'd had it.
As for my Dad, he's still the oblivious boomer he's always been, still selfish and narcissistic, still happily tears strips off people but if you offer it back up to him he's whinging and saying 'But what have I done to you!?' I ask him for nothing and keep my distance and only give enough to satisfy his needs even tho it kills me to do it.
Anyway, hopefully we're in better positions in life and not having to suffer any more!
I can absolutely relate, and we are def more vulnerable to narcissistic abuse (bullying) and then some
One thing I would add (which isn't often touched on or mentioned) is that many autistic children are born to autistic parents. For me meeting other families, this is a very common experience - many of the dads are often what was referred to as 'Aspergers', and many of the mums are undiagnosed autistic (only because there is still little understanding on how autism presents in females). This being the case, it's more likely that autistic parents might feel overwhelmed and anxious. As a result, they could be more angry and frustrated or just strugge to cope generally with the additional responsibility (which is how their anxiety could present), potentially causing their child/ren trauma or cPTSD.
I was speaking with an advocate the other day and I explained to her how having autism as a child allowed my brain to survive years of abuse. I don't think I would have survived with my sanity if I had not been on the spectrum.
@Dahl L I feel that the lack of "normal" emotional content and response when I was a child that accompanied the ASD actually helped preserved my core identity. I lacked emotional response in a lot of instances, and always seemed to be able to recuperate in my inner cognitive sanctum. It was still quite a difficult journey and lots of therapy, but I strongly feel if I'd had "standard" emotional function I would have been much more vulnerable to sociopathy, suicide, etc, the types of outcomes often seen with severe childhood abuse.
I agree with this and can relate to that- but I also think it made me more vulnerable. I did present with the "signs" of trauma growing up, outside of my standard behavior that was already regarded as "odd". Even though Autism may have brought me some resilience, I would have liked it if I could community something was wrong so an adult could intervene...
@@skyesaxon6423 very much agree--my ASD vulnerabilities were running parallel to residual trauma issues like PTSD, and both are still a factor to a fair degree for me, though I have been enabled through much of the current focus on helping ASD individuals, esp as they become adults, where the social support seems to drop off in the past and is only really being addressed now. I made a path through to a semi normal life, can support myself, but a price was paid that might have been softened had social support been in place esp around the high school and college years to help ensure a good launch. I had a lot of misfires, as many of us do.
I feel like if i was NT i would become extremely mean and resentful.
That is quite interesting. I happen to find myself in the same situation and I’ve never thought in this way
You probably already know you’re doing an objectively good thing, but I just have to thank you personally for your channel. It mayyyy have saved my life, and I doubt I’m the only one. Thank you. So much.
You are not at all the only one. I can easily say the same!
Yes I’m one
me too
Same. This is one of the very few calming spaces where I feel accepted. I am eternally grateful for Paul and this community.
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You seem to have such a sweet personality and are so generous to make these videos and inform people . And you do it so well.
I believe that as an autistic individual himself he shares from a place of empathy, maturity and intelligence. You don't see yourself as being super generous when it's something you genuinely want to do.
@@cass8330 I agree. Seeing yourself as generous is an ego thing. It's for other people to see and think of you. Although I admit, when people call me generous or kind, I don't necessarily enjoy that. It almost implies that I've done something for that reason. But in this case, I genuinely mean it. It's very giving for him to do this. But when you see something as your duty, you definitely don't see it that way. I'm just letting him know that his actions are very much appreciated and valuable.
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@@cass8330 He may not see himself in that way, but for those of us struggling, this really does makes a difference, and I at least (as does the original poster) do see him that way. It isn't an ego thing. It's the choice to share your journey with others, rather than just getting through it yourself.
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@@a_diamond exactly 💓💓
When you said “endless chain of broken relationships”, that sums up my life so far, unfortunately. I am really trying to break out of some of the unhealthy patterns I have developed over time through trauma. When I was a young kid, I was distant from other people but was so happy. Interpersonal and family trauma has burnt out my trust and emotion regulation. I never really learned to set boundaries or manage conflict so I feel like I have to build from the ground up :(
We are on the same journey. Keep going we are going to make it
I'm so bad with relationships that i had to cut my family out completely from my life. It was tough to do at first, full of shame and guilt, but necessary.
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My son has suffered autism spectrum since childhood and has battled with it all his life. But recently taking Dr Oyalo herbs have helped him get rid of it completely, his speech is vital and his social skill is perfect. I'm so glad and happy now
@Pateck Aaron right, maybe he's just getting older and developing.
I have tons of both - my father chose me as the scapegoat child - and signed me out for extra abuse - *because* I was autistic ... my hypersensitivity made tormenting me more "fun" for him ... However, in the years since his death, my C-PTSD symptoms have slowly receded - and a much more cheerful autistic personality has begun to emerge - though I still have anxiety about how I will fit in with the rest of the world ...
Same for me. I suspect my dad is a narcissist and has chosen my as a scapegoat due to my autism just because it doesn't fit his "ideal family" vision. I've heard from several family members that this was the reason he didn't and still doesn't like me. At least I know not to trust him anymore.
my sympathies, to you Mary.
@@Stephie2007 well, there is a 50% chance the traits came from his genetics, so he doesn’t have a leg to stand on.
I was blessed with my two most abusive adult children abandoning me last month.
They do not understand.
Wanting me, begging me to be Normal.
What a relief I can BE and grow unsupervised.
Autism really is a curse a life of so much abuse etc
I spent the first 36 years of my life thinking all my issues were due to trauma from growing up. But since my last breakdown in summer 2021 and the assessment I had with a mental health nurse, I am now on the pathway to diagnosis for autism. This mental health nurse was the first person in my entire life who looked at my history, looked at ME and revealed that he saw autism in me. Since then every piece of autistic information I have read is like a lightbulb going off in my brain. How many times my “weirdness” or character traits have been ignored or misunderstood. It makes me feel like I am finally beginning to understand who I am and that there was never anything “wrong” with me! That all my life feeling different, now means that I understand I am different! Not in a frustrating and scary way, but in a way that I now know wasn’t my fault.
I was treated terribly by my father especially growing up. Really hatefully and terribly, so I’ve spent my life thinking it’s just the trauma from that. I now understand whilst yes that was traumatic, I was also grossly underestimated and misunderstood.
It’s videos like these that make me feel like I’m not alone. Thank you ❤
wow i feel like you're describing my own life
Same story, different person = me, but it was actually other "type-1" channels on youtube like this that made me take pause, say, "hey, that sounds eerily exactly like me," write out a big list of my lifetime of symptoms, and arrive at the conclusion that there's simply no way that I wasn't autistic; it's too off-the-charts.
Same here - also realised in 2021. I was 40. My therapist was at a loss because we were working to neurotypical goals. Such a relief to know.
Same story....
70 Intense years !
Age 50, finally treated for ADD/ADHD. Depression, anxiety. No good results
Age 65, yes you have CPTSD, but can't seem to figure it out, maybe just due to Cult upbringing and escape with chronic pain at 19.
Now 70, Yes you = HSP. So the sadness, anxiety, burnout, meltdowns, anorexic silent despair was not me just being 'hi-strung' an crazy !!
Mother said I was like an alien, never Normal ...
Now find out, WHAT 😮
Hello, it has a name, deal with facts, so put this label on it:
AuTISM
Yes, be GOB-SMAaacked
"Recognise that a person's "problematic" behaviors and responses may be their attempts to protect themselves and to cope with stress." Wow... how life could have been if this was recognized, and how much less "problematic" one would feel. Because that has always been the key word hasn't it, we're "problematic". I always thought, why am I problematic, I am just doing what I can to cope. It's so up-side down. You already struggle to cope, and then you have to go on and defend yourself for doing that, because it's problematic to most others in most situations.
@Pateck Aaron nobody here has that level.
But I have been given superpowers by my Healing teacher, and I have developed an actual interest in others. Can converse somewhat better now.
But maybe we will never be Normal.
Would we want to e?
Not me.
Word❤
The part of the video that clicked for me was realising that the more I heal my trauma, and live in a way that is supportive of my anxiety and depression, the more I experience the ability and safety to have self-stimming behaviours, engage in my special interests, and communicate with others in a way that works for me.
Thank you for this video.
A good topic. I remember a video with Tony Attwood speaking of what he called' "Autism Pure" and then how through stress and circumstances, various disorders can pile on. This can be particularly the case for those of us not diagnosed early.
Intriguing. At 57 I’m late learning, but not too late!
Yeah. My last therapist called my situation a "quagmire"
@@SuperLotus - Definitely sounds like the perfect word to describe my life too, but the quagmire would be blamed on me and my brothers with neither of our selfish, narcissistic parents willing to take any of the blame for the war zone they created.
@@melaniewarren8540 - Better late than never but more importantly, you are not alone.... there's many of us. Now we can see it and are standing side by side.
@@SuperLotus I bet that made you feel great lol!
This makes sense to me. I was diagnosed just before I turned 60. I had blamed my difficulties in life on my difficult upbringing, even though we appeared to be a model family without “problems”. But I never felt nurtured. Now I believe my mother was also autistic, but possibly she just suffered trauma herself as a child which impinged on her ability to mother. In hindsight I’d say her trauma and my autism affected how she mothered and today it is difficult to see where one starts and the other finishes, but the Venn diagram makes a lot of sense.
Even though we are far apart in terms of age, I understand you very well. I’m 21, was very recently diagnosed with both autism and cPTSD, and my mother was abusive. While she might be autistic too, I know for sure that she suffered a lot of trauma herself, making it really hard to tell whether autism is actually in the picture. I feel you.
My story is very close to yours but it was my father who was affected...
Due to varied and extreme trauma during childhood, I struggled with CPTSD to such an extent that I tried to kill myself in my teens. I felt incredibly disconnected from my body and was perpetually exhausted emotionally from having to constantly mask how little I understood or was understood by my peers. I've grown fascinated by the shocking similarities between my character traits and those of Aspies.
@Pateck Aaron - That's wonderful news! So happy for your son and for you.
What helped you through CPTSD?
@@shitukabir1635-- That's wonderful. I'm very glad for your child. Luckily, the majority of my CPTSD symptoms have resolved and those that haven't, fully, are in the process of doing so.
I was late diagnosed because I have c-ptsd and it was a lot more recognized than autism. I didn't get diagnosed until I had a total breakdown. The burnout was severe. I'm wondering now if autistic burnout could actually be the way ptsd shows up for us.
That's a very good question.
I wasn't diagnosed until I was 35.
i think they tend to follow each other, but would say from personal experience the trauma developed before the burnout. but then the burnout in itself has become a trauma in and of itself because it was left untreated and left me dysfunctional and isolated for so many years.
I also got my autism diagnosed after c-ptsd and burnout, which was treated as depression. I had depression before and knew that this was different. I believe that the biggest trauma was caused by myself as I was masking and pleasing people and just couldn’t take it anymore. If I knew how to stay away from the wrong people and set my boundaries, a lot could be saved. I just wanted to be accepted.
I feel like burnout is a stage of ptsd. It is our body’s response to trauma.
It’s like you’re telling my story... wow
Always remember that if the world treats you like you're weird, you can always treat them like they're the ones who are weird or we can all learn to accept that there are different people in the world.
This is what I do, lol. I am fiesty now. I just shoot right back to them my criticisms of their method of socialization.
We’re looking into this now too. Pretty sure I have cPTSD issues. Besides the fact that autistic people can feel traumatized by even “lesser” events, I’ve had a few actual traumatic events in my life, and along with the late diagnosis AND I am very likely ADHD TOO, I figure I’m pretty much a shoe-in for the PTSD stuff. I’m thinking I’m going to start adding all the acronyms I’ve accumulated after my name in emails etc. Maybe people will confuse them with with accreditation initials and think I’m just insanely intelligent and educated. 🤪
Lol
You totally should
Hahahaha that's great! Thanks for the giggle... We could look very impressive if we started doing that HAHAHA! :)
🤣 Omigoodness I love you & this sooo much! This is EXACTLY my experience & situation too & I mean, man, the acronyms...LOL Thank you for making me smile-You have not idea how much I needed that right now...💕
That's a good idea!
And I feel you. You are non alone.
Nothing like a good cry on a Sunday morning because someone finally describes and understands your experiences. One way that I feel alien is that I need to cry to release my intense feelings, whether from PTSD or just being Autistic. People are upset by tears and are always either raising the fire alarm or doing anything, including being harsh, to get you to stop. Crying makes people uncomfortable and I need to cry to release energy and emotions, whether they are mine or ones I feel from empathizing to intensely with another being--so I constantly make people uncomfortable. I have two stims that society views as symptoms of anxiety and depression: I need to bounce one of my legs or I need to cry or shake my body. Most of my adult and adolescent life, even before I felt "generalized anxiety" and the paralyzing effects of my PTSD, I was told I was "anxious" and "nervous" because of my bouncing and also "dramatic" or a "crybaby" and "too sensitive." Because I was so easily upset, I quickly became a scapegoat for a variety of bullies in my life, including my older brother, my boyfriends, my friends, my teachers. I don't know how many times people told me how much "fun" it was to give me a "hard time" and tease me because I got so upset.
I have found pockets of relief when my "symptoms" can become superpowers, such as showing up for others who are in distress. I don't always get it right, but my ability to just hang out and let others feel negative feelings without trying to fix them has definitely helped others and made me feel like I was worth something.
I also don't know how to give short comments, or not overshare! Oops. I was curious if you use any sort of mindfulness practice for working some of the symptoms or characteristics you describe in this video. More specifically, I have found the most healing from reading the works of American Buddhist nun Pema Chodron, starting with _When Things Fall Apart: Heart Advice for Difficult Times_. I am currently reading _The Places That Scare You: A Guide to Fearlessness in Difficult Times_ for the fifth time in six years I think. I appreciate her teachings because you can listen or read a short chapter or teaching and "chew" on it in your soul and mind for months, it doesn't have to be something you sit down and read in a few weeks, or "check mark done" learn it and "I am fixed."
I am curious what other Autistic folks or folks with PTSD may find helpful or not about her work: I find that as the world grows ever stranger and more uncertain, learning to have compassion and unconditional kindness towards all my thoughts, feelings, and experiences, really has helped me to heal myself from the constant trauma of living in a world "not designed for me." I have to keep returning to the lessons I learn, but she offers that sort of "trauma-informed" teachings that you speak about in this video.
I will stop this short novel on your comments section now and hope it isn't the end of the world because you understand.
I love this. I love this. I love this so much.
I relate so much to your comment, its content, length and depth of sharing, which I personally value and see as your power of courage to be who you are in a world that devalues sincerity and vulnerability. I value those highly and find them so very rare, like hidden gems in a rough and caustic world. You shine. Don't let the bullies tell you anything less.
This is perhaps the most relatable comment we've ever come across! For real for real!
Ironically enough, you said everything so well (and my bed meds are kicking in hehe) so I don't actually feel the need to write a sequel to your wonderful little "novel"! People have regularly commented on my comments just to say I wrote a whole book.... Which tends to be true, but it always seemed like such an odd thing to go out of their way to just state that I wrote a long comment! I know people judge me for it. A lot.
And I just wanted to say that I really really enjoyed someone else on the interwebs saying so much relatable! It's funny, we have DID and EDS so we've been happy to find others like us online but kept feeling like we still hadn't found anyone else who loves to share like we do and writes long comments tehehes... We suspect now that we are autistic, it would make so much more sense of things, but yeah, it's just so refreshingly wonderful to stumble upon someone else online who writes seeking to share and otherwise relatable! It really makes us glad inside our soul to know we aren't the only human in existence who loves to share ;)
Thanks so much for sharing your comment! :)
Thank you @Jennifer Reisch this was totally relatable... yeah bullied for being too sensitive and easily distressed when younger, especially by one of my brothers. My naivety a source of amusement and my empathy and compassion for others meant I was quick to defend and advocate for them but not myself. I just could never comprehend how people could have bad intentions because I didn't and if I'd done nothing to them why would they be mean to me? I've been confused my whole life. I've had a massive awakening the last few years and have learnt to very painfully face the truth about human beings, about my childhood and repeated traumas and wounds I carry; about the people I attract who deliberately set about taking advantage of me and just don't care about the consequences. I've woken up and it's been a bitter pill to swallow and I wonder if I could ever process, integrate and release these traumas I've experienced, I'm seeing a Psych but I've seen plenty before and no help really. I'm concerned I may never really step outside my door again beyond appointments and shopping and making friends, meeting someone like-minded, even having a relationship with someone genuine all seems like fantasies now...
Thank you to Paul too, I appreciate your channel and I feel less alone reading the comments here🙏💜🌸
I feel about the comment about others finding my crying to be anxiety inducing. I finally had to tell someone close to me to please let go of any anxiety and/or feelings that they had to 'fix' me or the situation, and please let me cry as it can be so incredibly cathartic... all I wanted was them to be present with me. I apologized and asked them the best I could to just sit with me and listen, hug me, and just reassure me it's going to be OK. I know deep down that it will work out, but the emotions can be so incredibly overwhelming and intense it's so hard to see that light at the other end of the tunnel. I'm trying to find the right combination of things to make me not quite as sensitive/emotional, but the sensitivity has always been a part of me... I've learned to just feel it. Bottling it up, suppressing it... to me feels more severe long term than to acknowledge it and release it... and sometimes I just need someone there to validate me, as strange as it may sound to them. I need to feel heard and I need to feel seen. (I would of thought this was a given, but perhaps we are all conditioned on a very subconscious level to withhold it for fear of it damaging our reputation. I wish we all could feel free to be our authentic selves.)
I thought I just had PTSD but looking back I've been realizing I was also autistic from birth with that PTSD compounded upon me. It's such a confusing path, but this channel has been helping me a lot, thank you.
@Pateck Aaron u should be banned 🌿 only cannabis helps
My son has suffered autism spectrum since childhood and has battled with it all his life. But recently taking Dr Oyalo herbs have helped him get rid of it completely, his speech is vital and his social skill is perfect. I'm so glad and happy now
Okay the two comments above me are awful by the way
@@stillnotstill Report them as spam - their variants seem to target this channel.
I also think if parents expect and put pressure on their child to be and act in Neurotypical ways, it is very traumatizing . There can be so many issues that overlay an individual such as sensory integration issues, ADHD, asd, trauma, bipolar, bpd etc
I grew up in an abusive household, I was bullied in school, I developed narcissistic personality traits that I mostly healed through finding good friends where I learned how to take care of relationships, . during my upbringing I had recurring depressions and I began to think I might be bipolar. It wasn't until I had nervous breakdown a few years ago my difficulties became so many and my coping skills vanished completely that I began searching for serious help. After many years of misdiagnosis (bipolarism, borderline, mentalization based therapy that didn't help and loads of different medications that didn't help we finally arrived at autism and ADHD, but I have been questioning it's accuracy because of how some of my issues became visible because of the serious trauma I experienced, and it took a long time for me to see the internal problems I had before my breakdown. So I have often thought maybe I was sub threshold autistic during my upbringing, but because of my severe burnout I entered diagnosable autism territory. either way I finally have the hope I might be able to live a bearable life, and maybe even might be able to thrive. Life is still not easy, I'm still struggling with the most basic things and I seem fully normal and functioning to most people I know, even my closest friends, masking is a grey area where I'm not sure I'm even fully aware at what level I mask. i'm at home alone 95% of the time, I just had my mother over and I felt physically ill while she was here, but after a while of engaging in my interests in hyperfocus I was back to baseline.
Try spiritual work, our intellect can only take us so far. I'd recommend the work of a Trappist monk Fr. Thomas Keating.
Thank you for sharing, I can relate to a lot of what you said. But what kind of narcissistic traits are you talking about? I'm curious because they're usually very contrary to autistic traits. .
Damn. I have lived a very similar story. The different thing is i went with the bipolar diagnosis and take lithium since
@@mrboobiesrider9212 I am bipolar and take lithium also.
@@Catlily5 and how is it this far?
My mother has undiagnosed ASD and ADHD and I wish I could to talk to her, but she isn't comforting. I have been officially diagnosed with both. I feel so sad and frustrated because I live where trauma has happened and can't move away because it's too expensive. I feel so trapped and helpless.
What do you do for a living?
Keep going!! Find friends t9 share with, new or existing friends. You will get there. I know how you feel about living there and relationship with your mom. Its tough but you can do it.
My son has suffered autism spectrum since childhood and has battled with it all his life. But recently taking Dr Oyalo herbs have helped him get rid of it completely, his speech is vital and his social skill is perfect. I'm so glad and happy now
I hope things are a bit better for you now
I loved this. Especially the part about what a happy and healthy autistic person could look like where I felt like maybe I could imagine a future for myself where *I* am happy and confident while still being as weird and wacky as I am now! Plus, as someone who has been through trauma it was a wonderful reminder that trauma can be healed.
I really only found my autism to be a problem when it was undiagnosed. That took 30+ years but it is what it is. Oddly, I had to figure it out for myself. I personally have little faith in modern day medicine. Especially, with the behavioral sciences.
I was diagnosed with anxiety, depression, and PTSD before Aspergers (now ASD-1). So yes, having that my whole life definitely led to the others. Mostly, it’s how other (neurotypical) people react to you and treat you as less than because they can’t possibly try to meet you halfway even though you attempt to meet them all the way every time. I think schools need to start teaching neurotypical people empathy.
Neurotypicals have little empathy. Wehn they accuse autistic people of having none, they are merely projecting. Any empathy they have is usually superficial.
I have been diagnosed with depression & anxiety, then bipolar, then BPD, then a year later complex PTSD. Last Saturday I met with a mental health person I hadn’t seen before and she suggested I get tested for autism, if I felt comfortable doing so. I’m a 37 year old woman and for the first time ever I feel like I finally have answers for why I’ve spent my life feeling the way I feel…it’s as shocking to me as being told told I’m adopted and that’s not to make light of people in that situation…that’s how shocked I feel.
Cant wait! If we can add the epigenetics, cluster-b and autoimmune paradigm/models, my work here is done. It’s all simultaneously true and mythological. We humans love making patterns. But I’m trying not to get trapped in a definition. Spiral growth, everyone!!! We are doing this!! Whoohoo!
That was a lot to digest. Is there some suggested reading that could save me (and maybe other commenters) scouring Google for accurate answers?
There really is something relieving about hearing "you're the expert of your own life". That sentiment is rarely affirmed in my experience.
I've seen first hand the lack of knowledge and consideration of others, including "professionals". Some are great but so many of them don't take the time to really understand our inner workings.
I appreciate the person who told you that and you for sharing it 🙏🏽
"When I read those words" I burst into heavy tears. Wishing so hard that the world was indeed full of people like this. It is so fXXking heavy!
This is such an important topic. Being a person that has been raised with lots of trauma I questioned for several years whether or not I had autism.
I hear you. I’ve had friends tell me they were pretty sure I was an Aspie, and I thought maybe I was, too. But I asked my therapist (an MD) about it, and he said I’m not…it’s just that I have a lot of the same symptoms because of constant childhood trauma.
My son has suffered autism spectrum since childhood and has battled with it all his life. But recently taking Dr Oyalo herbs have helped him get rid of it completely, his speech is vital and his social skill is perfect. I'm so glad and happy now
Where my current source of therapy keeps falling short, you're here always to pick up the pieces! I feel very lucky for the parts in my journey to acceptance that you have been able to help me fill in, and made me help bridge this period of coming to terms with my conditions, especially where my therapists had nothing to offer me. Thank you immensely.
Best of luck / keep moving forward
We are the solution to our challenges
👁🧚🏻👁
I have to be honest and say I laughed at Ill Gill Bates, if it was a reference to Bill Gates. There's one thing *NOT WRONG WITH US* and it's our sense of humour that is unique, different, a little broken (mine) and probably been leant on to survive thru the times.
@@reggiep75 Amen to that quirky sense of humor helping a lot!!
@@reggiep75 ay bro lemme teach u da truth about autism
My son has suffered autism spectrum since childhood and has battled with it all his life. But recently taking Dr Oyalo herbs have helped him get rid of it completely, his speech is vital and his social skill is perfect. I'm so glad and happy now
As a child I was quiet and disconnected, had a tendacy to wander off. Wandering off got me into a serious traumatic incident, afterwhich I completely went into a shell, did not speak and I remember feeling lost and having difficulting processing what was going on around me.
I have dealt with this the rest of my life slowly emerging out of it but as you can imagine I have struggled with all aspects of life.
I have learned to hide my disconnection with my surroudings but sense that people perceive that something is wrong.
This video is extremely well done. You've done your research. Thank you for putting this out there!
I’m a 54 year old veteran and I’m listening to you describe aspects of my life like you were there.
there's a link between us.
you are more than twice my age, and yet we have a connection despite so little else in common. we don't need to explain ourselves, and can be ourselves openly here where we are understood where it matters most.
thank you for your service, sir-- in MORE than the military. you have been a warrior your whole life, sir.
I've been diagnosed with c-ptsd, but not autism and ADHD, which I've now come to realise, I fit the bill for. This came about after years of trauma recovery therapy and following the clues through other family members getting diagnosed with Autism and/or identifying with the symptoms of ADHD. I'm going to pursue diagnosis. Although I had a chaotic, frightening and neglected childhood and grew up with parents with disordered attachment (which I inherited), I have worked so hard to mask, (which I got severe burnout from, and yet helped me develop socially, as well) to get my frontal lobes online ( books are probably how I survived my childhood and how I ended up as sane as I am) and to create a life that isn't so overloading that I cannot function. I now have a fullfilling relationship with another neurodiverse and trauma-recovering person. I I love your channel. Very comforting and informative. Thank you.
I think I might have trauma as a result of speaking out against ableism years ago and all of my friends dismissing me. I feel very humiliated and let down. Often very angry. Sometimes suicidal about it. I just think of their smug declarations of "This isn't a big deal." As if I didn't research for years before even opening my mouth and I need them to tell me what's a big deal and what's not. I feel villified and awful. And they think they are right and I am just having a tantrum out of nowhere. It's so isolating.
Thank you for helping me imagine my authentic autistic self.
My sister and I are identical twins and we are perfect personifications of this diagram. She's had life long trauma, not autistic. I've had trauma too, but I've healed (mostly) and cope fairly well as an autistic/aspie. Excellent presentation! Thank you.
This is such a great topic. And one that I've been obsessing about a little, too. Having read Pete Walker's CTPSD. From Surviving to Thriving, I started having doubts whether I was autistic at all. Maybe I'm just traumatized, and a huge nerd, but otherwise typical? Not that it makes any difference, but I just looove to know stuff, just for the sake of it. And you are absolutely right, traumatic experiences we may have had as children, whether we are autistic or not, are not always connected to a clear memory of one, particular, "big T" traumatic event (one reason being, like you said, people may not remember the "big T", and the other that they underwent a series of micro-traumas, i.e. exposure to some adverse circumstances). Thence the concepts of "cPTSD" and "emotional flashbacks", not very academic but pretty handy! Somehow, I find it hard to imagine an autistic person without a level of complex trauma baggage. All humans have had traumatic experiences, even ones that seem small from the adult perspective, like falling of a bike or your pet dying, and all the more so sensitive individuals, which would include people on the spectrum. For example, as a kid I was bullied because of my quirks, disregularion and poor communication skills, which was a huge stressor for me because I yearned to be accepted - so was the issue here autism- or trauma-related? Could be both, intertwined.
Im so confused i don't know whether i just have cptsd or both cptsd and autistic or both cptsd and highly sensitive person. Cptsd Autism and HSP kind of similar. What im sure i have cptsd due to childhood sexual abuse.
@@reinas9666 it's better to be Undiagnosed.
The NIHI people will take our BRAINS for study after we die....for "research's..."to help us, and peoe like us"
No! Thanks!
It's a law.
My son has suffered autism spectrum since childhood and has battled with it all his life. But recently taking Dr Oyalo herbs have helped him get rid of it completely, his speech is vital and his social skill is perfect. I'm so glad and happy now
I don’t even remember a lot of my childhood. It’s all a blur with flashes of some things here and there, mostly in 3rd person as if I was dissociated the whole time.
There was trauma, but I only remember generalities and not specifics.
Love Pete Walker's book, saved me
I think I might be autistic and am feeling very overwhelmed by the possible symptoms stacking up so I could really use this video! Great topic; just what I need!
Hope you’ll have more good than bad days my friend, take care 🙂
My son has suffered autism spectrum since childhood and has battled with it all his life. But recently taking Dr Oyalo herbs have helped him get rid of it completely, his speech is vital and his social skill is perfect. I'm so glad and happy now
I have CPTSD and got misdiagnosed through mental health services for years, then just recently had my autism assessment and got abused as part of it. I was dismissed based on ignorance and pseudoscience because the services in my area are underfunded and under investigation for extremely low diagnosis rates. So frustrated but going to keep fighting (sadly) to get what I deserve. This dynamic is reflective of the abuse I've experienced for being autistic - i.e. not believed, not listened to, dismissed. I'm so sick of fighting. I'm documenting the journey on my channel anyway so I just hope it can help others in the future who will inevitably end up in the same position. Thanks for your content Paul.
Hi, I also have CPTSD, but since my kids got diagnosed with ASD, I've wondered if I could be dealing with both.. I realize neither of us are experts, but since you also deal with this kind of stuff, what do you think?
@@a_diamond It’s my understanding that many parents get diagnosed after realising their child has ASC (ASC = Autism Spectrum Condition - I made the distinction because disorder pathologises it). Have a look at the diagnostic criteria and take some online tests. It’s certainly a strong possibility that the trauma you experienced was because you were different. There’s nothing wrong with being autistic. If that’s the case, you can understand yourself better and your children. Hope that helps!
My son has suffered autism spectrum since childhood and has battled with it all his life. But recently taking Dr Oyalo herbs have helped him get rid of it completely, his speech is vital and his social skill is perfect. I'm so glad and happy now
The more I learn about PTSD the more I’m sure I’ve been through it.
I had a traumatic injury had flashbacks for years.
I’m talking suddenly gasping back into reality after spending 10 seconds just hearing my screams and _feeling_ the snow start to burn my skin from over exposure.
I’ve pretty much recovered from what I can tell but it feels good to have a label for it other than just “thinking about an injury too much.”
Complex PTSD, in my understanding, isn't due to one event. It's the result of repeated small traumas.
Watching this made me cry, I have long believed I have Asperger's but know one believes me. For the last year I have been seeing a councellor and found out that I also suffer complex trauma, I thought my childhood was different but it was normal for me!?!? I know that may not make sense to some of you....
I really really would like an official diagnosis but here in the UK it is proving to be extremely difficult and being a femal of 55yrs its vertual impossible but if I could get one it would help me accept myself for who I am and not just a hypochondriac that some doctors think I am?!?!?
Thank you for your video
I want to add that with CPTSD, the individual traumatic evend doesn't have to be usually traumatizing. It's the frequency and their compunding effects, that traumatize the person. For example, a parent losing their cool and yelling at their child is something most people experience once or twice growing up, but a parent yelling at their child daily or even multiple times per day can add up to become CPTSD.
thank you for speaking so eloquently and assertively on our behalf. I'm 51 and a failure in the eyes of my family and long gone friends. Your channel is helping me find myself after a lifetime of feeling misunderstood and bullied.
I'm so grateful for this video! I am not on the spectrum however you said trauma can lead to autism like symptoms and that explains everything! THANK YOU!
Same, thought i had asd til i learnt about cptsd.. its definitely cptsd lol.
A theory I have is that as autistic people, we are more likely to develop PTSD or cPTSD than non-autistic people. I'd be interested in what others here think?
Thank you so much for this! Recently discovered I was autistic after burn out 7 years ago, yet I found out on my own after I was told I 'just' had anxiety/depression/PTSD for no reason...
Yes, trauma doesn’t cause autism, but my undiagnosed autism was a huge factor in all of my lifetime of traumatic experiences.
I grew up in a loving environment and was diagnosed very early, but even then there were moments where I just wasn't respected and moments where I just couldn't function, especially on long journeys. It's really surprising to see a comparison made to trauma, and I hope I don't have any lasting issues from it, just life experience.
I'm just generally a happy person.
I'm incredibly frustrated. I fit the bill for ASD, ADHD and C-PTSD. I've been told that I have GAD, bipolar, potential BPD... but nobody has ever really narrowed it down. I've spent the past decade trying to figure myself out. I've largely healed from my trauma, but there are still difficulties with emotional regulation, stimming, self-confidence and other aspects. I just don't know, even after all this time, and I wish I could just work it out.
Awesome video Paul!
For years I've felt a strong affinity to people on the Spectrum, even though I've never been officially diagnosed. My parents refused to see the positive aspects you mentioned here. To them, my issues were just personality quirks that I should be able to overcome. When I tried to tell them otherwise, they told me not to be defeatist, and to just try harder. Toward the end of his life, my dad finally admitted that I'd had these traits since early childhood, but they never got me tested because they hoped I'd just outgrow them. Most probably they were also afraid of what a diagnosis would have meant for me, growing up in the 1960's when ASD wasn't nearly as well understood. I can't say I blame them for not having me tested, but constantly invalidating my attempts to share how I felt left me with very low self esteem that I still struggle with to this day. I know they meant well, but I wish they had simply taken me seriously and had my back as parents should.
Anyway, thanks so much for another excellent video!
Who dislikes this video, wtf??? What is there to dislike???
I ask myself that every time I see dislikes on a video like this.
Thank you. This is so helpful. I'm in my 40s, diagnosed with CPTSD about 6 years ago. I have worked through a lot of the trauma triggers, but I'm starting to realize how much I still struggle and how much relief I have gotten from addressing sensory sensitivities lately (reducing occurrence of panic attacks or a need to remove myself from uncomfortable places)-- wearing earplugs, using lamps in my office, etc. And as I've begun to explore more about my childhood, I wonder if I might be autistic. But my major point of confusion has been around the differences between CPTSD and Autism.
Fantastic video 🐝 Thanks!
Can't wait for this!
Thank you this shows me that I do have Autism (I have been diagnosed), but I’m also very traumatized from early childhood
So glad I found your channel. Thank you.
Thank you for this 🖤
Funny how when I came to the full realization I have Aspergers all the flashbacks of random events in my life and the guilt associated with them melted away immediately. Everything just suddenly made sense. I think it's because knowing WHY anything is what it is has always been an integral part of me feeling Comfortable with it.
It all makes so much sense now, It feels like you are speaking of everything I have not been able to explain for myself or others in a comprehensive summary way before.
It feels like I finally realize that I might have Autism, Adhd, Autism Trauma, and PTSD in a very complex way that I haven't been able to fully explain or understand and know for sure until now. Since I started to watch your videos it feels like I can relate to at least 99% of all the content I've seen so far on your channel.
Your sharing brings so much clarity and understanding and helps me (and hopefully a lot of others as well) to recognize, understand, accept, and heal deeper parts of my childhood, adolescence, and puberty that needed more attention, understanding, love, and healing.
Thank you for sharing this valuable helpful content and I wish that everyone that feels incapable, misunderstood, hurt, and traumatized in any way finds the best way possible to function properly, finds their optimal way to complete healing, and finds deeper understanding about themselves and others and finally be able to create and receive true love and acceptance in their lives.
Wish you all the best and thanks once again for sharing this mind-opening content!
Very well put together 🖤
Great vídeo Paul!!
I´ve really been waiting for a video about this subject. Paul, congrats...can´t wait...woooowww
Dang, Paul. You executed that perfectly. Thank you so much 🙏🏼✌🏼
Big thanks Paul !!!
Thank You for your work !
Huge thank you. You've saved lives. ❤
I really like the last two videos, it's clear that you're honing your craft at communicating complex concepts. Keep up the good work!
Wonderful video. Thank you.
Great job on this vid! Thank you!
You've really been putting out some outstanding video's lately. This was a particularly good one. Thank you.
Wooow! This is amazing. Thank you so much for this video.
Beautiful Video. Thanks!.
The editing your doing is looking good. Nice touch!
This is the kind of information that is exactly what someone needs, but impossible to find. Thank you for putting it out there in a very digestible format on a very accessible site.
You've just describe my whole life... I've been looking for a video to explain what I am dealing with. Well I think I found it. Thank you!
Fantastic video, insightful.
Good video. Thank you for this.
On such a great video as this one my comments seem pathetic. The usual "good video, buddy" seems like an injuctice.
This channel is helping me unravel the lifelong mystery of it all and is giving me the spunk to share all this with my family. Well, I'm not quite there, but...in time, I hope. So a big "thank you" to the creator who put so much time and effort into a channel that deserves so much more love.
Aspees Eternum! 😁
This was a great video, Paul. Thank you so much for analyzing this subject so thoroughly. As someone who has been profoundly affected by PTSD since childhood and also unaware of my autism until later in life, this journey has been extremely tough. But watching videos like yours certainly helps put things into some sort of perspective and I would anticipate that this video can also be of good value to many other autistic people too. I watch your videos every week and you are doing a fine job. People like your good self do not grow on trees and are invaluable to the autistic community. As I'm sure you are fully aware, it is wonderful to discover someone who really gets it with regards to autistic related difficulties. Keep up the good work and thanks again!
More excellent content Paul, thank you.
Thank you for your videos.
This came a day after I spoke with my Doctor about trauma. This video was extremely informative and helpful. Thank you!
Just starting my journey of re-organizing my life filters and wanted to let you know that you're really threading the needle here and I want to commend you and encourage you on this path. You will save SO MANY lives, metaphorically and literally.
Thank you so much for this video
I've been needing more videos on this for myself
Thank you, Paul. Before I started school, I was happy, but then, once I started school, my life became very different. I was bullied by so many kids and I became quite anxious and upset by so many things. I remember, in my first week at school, kids would come up to me and roar like lions. I have complex PTSD issues, as well as autism and I find that engaging in my autistic special interests helps me.
Very helpful, Paul, from both standpoints separately as well as together. I also work with a lot of traumatized people, ASD or not. The trauma as well as the autism explanations are probably the most clear I've seen. This was much more clear than most trauma training. As someone also having ADHD, I had no trouble [well, I paused a couple of times] watching this long. The graphics helped, rather than overwhelmed me, which is usually a big issue. Your timing in speaking and in the visuals was also good, not at all overwhelming. I hope that some day you re-visit the ASD-ADHD comparison video after this same format!!! Thanks!
I love this! Very helpful!
Your channel has really come a long way over the years!
You are a wonderful ambassador for autistic community, with excellent resources and information. Thanks for your empathy and compassion. So appreciate it.
Excellent video. I started suspecting I was on the spectrum when I felt I had worked through complex trauma sustained in early childhood and again in my teenage years, and then again as a young adult yet to this day, at 31, I still run into problems with relating to people, maintaining friendships and the drain from what I have identified as masking. I still shut down in certain situations, I still feel overwhelmed at times, I still obsess over ultra niche stuff that brings me joy or stimulates me intellectually, I still do the happy heel bounce and hand flutter or can't seem to stop whistling/singing. But at the same time, I am worried that therapists will blame it all on trauma and won't take me seriously - as a trans man I am often seen as a tomboy and the "autism is a boy disorder" is still going strong.
I deeply needed this 🙏🏻 thank you
What an excellent video. Thank you!!
Diagnosis in Switzerland is still very backwards, and for me it was invalidating and shaming on top of that. I still hiss in frustration, whenever think back at this encounter, with "SO called" autism expert. Last year I was diagnosed with ONLY Aspergers Autism.
I know in other countries such as Canada, USA they do double diagnosis of Autism AND Ptsd, some even do a ACE Screening!! (Big Kaiser Permanente ACE STUDY By Felitti and Anda, almost 20 years ago!)
Because my report was such a disaster, riddled with mistakes and misrepresentations, I had asked for another meeting and I had prepared myself well, for this last meeting. I wanted my Trauma acknowledged in the corrected report, NOT swept under the rug)
So I did my presentation, stating all traumas
- developmental
- school
- relationship
- cult
but “autism expert” literally turned her body away, not wanting to acknowledge I had PTSD from all of that.
Refusing basically, to give me support where I needed it (so I could have access to necessary therapies)
She told me to my face, that she had asked me a few questions during the evaluation (regarding PTSD) but since I was no expert, I might not have even observed it (how can your PTSD be triggered by random questions, when only VERY SPECIFIC THINGS, THAT REMIND YOU OF YOUR TRAUMA, will TRIGGER A PTSD STRESS RESPONSE) and that she, with a supervisor comittee of other experts had discussed my case and decided, there was no PTSD (none of these supervisors had ever met me in person, they just heart “autism expert” perspective)
How is that objective???
Normally you have to fill out a SEPARATE questionnaire for PTSD TO EVALUATE your trauma.
I had none of that. Only Autism related questionnaires.
This is only a question of budget. They won't pay. You ask for money and the experts say no we have to keep the budget.
PTSD have very very conspicuous behaviors symptoms, flash backs and ruin your life.. it was my case . Your are literally hunted by your traumas like you were game. you shout, you run, or freeze, you dissociate . Intense emotions, dispair, this is overwhelming when you are triggered daily!
Thank you for your excellent synthesis of two complex topics and their interrelarionships. I appreciate how you have integrated polyvagal theory, and clearly defined your terms. As a clinician who has complex trauma on the spectrum, I find that the current offerings in the mental health community often further traumatize those on the spectrum because they deny or are unaware of the needs of autistic patients. My goal is to make constructive change, and that change begins by awareness of the issues involved. Showing us a glimpse of healthy thriving autistic people is a start. We can not only thrive, but go on to be valuable assets to our communities. I thank you for your insight, and for your courage to share your experience. It echoes my own.
@Pateck Aaron BS. There’s no illness or condition on earth that can be reversed with herbs. The only good use for herbs is seasoning food.
Thank you for making this video
Amazing video, keep up the good work