The Misunderstood Narrative of Ultimate Custom Night (FNAF Theory)
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- Опубликовано: 20 июл 2024
- Everyone thinks they solved Ultimate Custom Night. What if I told you that your understanding of it was off?
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Biggest problem with this theory is that the amount of voice lines coming from different characters that implies you are in fact the killer is heavily stacked up against the few lines you're focusing on which was only said by a single person.
Pretty much, no offense to this guy but he's just working off of confirmation bias the whole time.
The other animatronics are like animals, only the puppet is aware that their victim is not William but the similarly looking Michael Afton
not that im disagreeing (im not very versed on fnaf lore myself so tell me if im wrong) but if micheal looks like william could that not explain why they might thing he is william?
I have one line to address: "They didn't recognize me at first, but then, they thought I was you." I'm not saying the theory is correct, but this line gives a lot of leeway. Also it might help explain why he is attacked at every location he works at. Regardless, I feel I'd need to do a lot of my own research before I dismiss or accept this theory.
Very true, I could think of a couple more lines that could apply to micheal.
First, assuming the animatronics and vengeful spirit does confuse micheal for william. (Could still apply to william since a lot of their tragedys were shared)
Puppet: "i don't hate you but you need to stay out of my way" theres no way she does not hate the man who killed her, but 5 or more kids and left her up to the task of reclaiming there souls. That does feel strong for micheal. Especially with the context that golden freddy(cassidy) controls all the characters, there's no way.
mid gray area
Mangle: "Now I get to play take apart and put back together! You won't feel a thing..." so assuming micheal probably been around mangle when kids took them apart constantly and put whatever on it(fnaf2), micheal could be one of those kids doing that. Tho william obviously builds mangle at one point in a finished model(probably showtime foxy) so he's just at likely.
Nightmare bonnie: "i am your wickness, made of flesh" micheal killed his brother and helped his father abit, willaim kills kids
Nightmare freddy: "i assure you, i am very real" william made the illusions disc, but the illusions themselves are conjured from the mind of micheals pyche.
Ones going agaisnt this (70 william/30 micheal, for me since the fans guide the story), could apply to michel still since he still is a afton raised in the same home with the same tragedie, but more than likely are for william.
Every character that mentions the one you should not of killed. "greetings from the fire, and the one you should not of killed" unless crying child holds a grudge over micheal for killing him, its more than likely its the 5th kid killed by William that wants to torment him.
Ballora:"why do you hide in your walls?" "Admint it: you wanted to let me in"
Easily could look at this as "Ms.afton"(someone we've never seen ever) and apply this to william getting depressed and away from the family. As well as micheal, he killed his brother and had to deal with the guild, disappointment and hatred of his father and shut himself out, only his mom to help him out. More than likely tho, it was aimed at William.
Puppet:" i reconize you, but im not afriad of you anymore" "seeing you powerless if like music to me" william killed charlie and she inhabited the puppet, she would recognize her killer. I could see it with micheal since she doesn't hate him, and warns to stay out of her way.
Nightmare freddy: "let me put you back together, then take you apart all over again" "this time, there is more than an illusion to fear." "We know who out friends are, you are not one of them" william says to crying child on his deathbed "let me put you back together". Then again crying child might not know william said it to him and just his plushy, and now uses it on micheal to torment the way he died. Both william and micheal abused him so I would not blame him for hating both of them.
Nightmare puppet:"this time death won't save you" "this is a nightmare you won't wake from" this could apply to micheal easily (scooped and lived, nightmare punishments); william died in the springlock, and made the nightmares.
This is already long enough, but there is a decent amount of evidence on both sides.
If its cassidy, then its william they are tormenting. If it's crying child then it could be micheal they are tormenting.
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Nice idea, but it has some pretty big contradictions.
1. Nightmarrionne describes himself as the 'fearful reflection' of what the player as created. This line could ONLY be referring to William, as the puppet and Mike have next to no connection, let alone a way for Mike to have 'created' the puppet.
2. Nedd Bear's hidden voiceline (spoken by the vengeful spirit) begins with 'this is how it feels.' This is the Vengeful spirit saying that what the player is experiencing and feeling is similar to how they felt from something the player did, aka, being in horrible agony from being teared apart. The line is said directly after a jumpscare or in other words death, Mike never hurt anyone aside from assisting in the fire, which was pretty much Henry's fault anyways, so it can't be Mike.
3. Baby says 'I guess you forgot about me.'... There is literally no way Mike could have forgotten about Baby after the scooping room. It caused him to live as a literal living corpse, I don't think he would forget about who caused it.
4. Nightmare describes himself as 'your wickedness made of flesh'. Mike ain't exactly 'wicked'.
5. The MANY times 'the one you should not have killed.' is brought up. Mike has killed NO ONE.
I could also explain pretty much every point you made against William, but I'm lazy.
Anyways, great theory! >:3
Mike did kill C.C by accident but honestly, this would be more of a Cassidy thing, she refuses to move on until her killer suffers.
I think Cassidy mad because their suit is in the safe room somewhere since it the spring lock suit, and if it is in suit. mode they can't even move around
personally i think its still william. most of the stuff in the video i still think arguably fits william pretty as well
about the puppet's lines
-i think they still fit pretty well if being talked to william,
-with the main objective of hers being to save the children's souls,
-as well since the puppet saw william in fnaf 2 also.
-i think the awareness part might stem from phone guy calling the puppet "always thinking".
-id say the "i dont hate you" line is pretty strong, but it might actually be how charlie genuinely feels as henry paints her to be super altruistic and doing what she does for the kids, we technically dont have much confirmation on charlie's true feelings for william. there actually might be some tiny bit of hate for the ucn protagonist cuz she does say "seeing you powerless is like music to me", usually william overpowers the animatronics and gets in the way a lot
about omc
-the reason why these animatronics, that some of which only micheal has seen, might be after william under willheck because its all the animatronics and stuff in faz ent that hurt people, stemming from william's actions coming back to haunt him in the afterlife, just speculation on why they'd be here
-i think these guys being william's demons could make sense, and i think omc's lines might make sense to cassidy even if she's one of william's demons because there's other demons to haunt william (the other ucn candidates)
-cassidy would no longer be considered a demon of william if they decide to rest
-we play as a bear which might indicate some relation to golden freddy/vengful spirit
-i think we only know that fnaf world characters are 100% confirmed able to visit omc in that pond area, so cassidy is for sure a possibility
-i dunno if this is a myth but pretty sure the background audio is something like "mIiIIIIIcheeeal, henrrryyyYYyy, heEEeEELppp" or "IIiiIIi hAaaAAate MiiiKe" i seen it covered on a lot of theorist channels like game theory or swanky box i think was the name of that theorist channel?
generally speaking about other things i still think there's a lot of other evidence that this is william like all the other lines which are really hard to fit with micheal:
-nightmarione "i am the fearful reflection of what you created" (fearful reflection of the possessed puppet)
-ballora "admit it, you wanted to let me in" (which wouldn't make sense for micheal since he doesn't know much about the sl animatronics, but makes more sense for william if he built her with the purpose of being similar to ms afton, which wouldnt really be a stretch since most sl animatronics parallel the afton family)
-nightmare fredbear "this time, there's more than just an illusion to fear" (i think this hints at it being william, since he might know how the nightmares work)
-the whole burning thing, orville elephant "He tried to release you, he tried to release us, but I won't let that happen, I will keep you here, I will hold you here, no matter how many times they burn us." (the people starting fires trying to set the william and the spirits free wont save him, the protagonist is being spoken to as if theys were separate, if micheal was being spoken to i think it shouldve been you or something and william doesnt really start fires to set free spirits unlike mike and henry, the releasing part also implies that their spirit was trapped, it could work for micheal but it works better for it being william since henry originally didnt intend on burning micheal)
-circus baby "i guess you forgot about me" (elizabeth in her sister location circus baby form, i think it fits better with william being the forgetter since he abandoned her in the rentals as circus baby, it could for mike if it was just elizabeth, or just for the gameplay specifically, but it fits best with william as he abandoned circus baby entirely)
-puppet: "i recognize you" sorta parallels scraptrap saying "you may not recognize me at first"
-although i will say, william making the nightmares is debatable so most of the lines about the nightmares being created originally by the protagonist could fit with micheal, but yknow since most of them seem to stem from bad actions taking physical form, maybe they did just originate from william, and whatever mike "brought home (fnaf 4 trailer)" was from william, and caused the nightmares
about andrew:
-i dunno, i think this is pretty big confirmation in the faz frights that willucn might be the case, i think it might be the main reason why i've never seen mike ucn discussed as much, andrew is an evil spirit wearing an alligator mask attached to the dying founder of freddy fazbear's pizza himself, who was brought to the hospital after being involved in a fire. the nurses sense evil and try to kill that mysterious dying man but andrew stops them by protecting william and keeping him alive. he torchers william a lot and william is in a lot of agony.
-1 spirit killed by william haunting him
-refusing to let him die or move on
-constantly harassing william
-the one being kept alive being william
-there's also a lot of metaphors to the underworld like greek stuff, i dunno something about that cerbus dog as a statue or the name of the hospital idk
-all around it seems pretty similar to the game's version of events and seems to highly suggest william is the one being torchered by his murder victim, as a parallel to cassidy in game, or litterally stating its andrew causing ucn, this might be the strongest piece of evidence yet, i think to really be convincing about mikeucn, u gotta tackle the man in room 1280 next (there may be differences but the general premise and parallels are there)
honestly i think lots of lines could go either way and it could really be either mike or william, but since man in room 1280 shed some light on it, and some of the lines fit better with william, overall im still will heck
Precisely, great comment.
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Amazing comment, even though I like the theory
A lot of the stuff you said is as flimsy as the theory because it's purely based on speculation, like Ballora being similar to Ms Afton even when we know NOTHING about her, or Baby and her "I guess you forgot about me" that line sounds spiteful, and we know well that Elizabeth didn't feel angry about William for leaving her behind considering she was working for him in Pizza sim
The audio that plays during Old Man Consequences game in UCN says something along the lines of, "Henry! Mike! Help! Mike! Help! Mike! Henry! Henry!" With your theory, Mike visiting purgatory, being told William will suffer on his own, and moving on from it, becomes a lot more meaningful knowing he can hear William calling for him.
Honestly its been really interesting listening to your theories so far. I have loved listening to the different perspectives you have brought up. I think Andrew is supposed to be a stand-in for Cassidy in the books, but I haven't read them so I could be incorrect. Keep up the fantastic work!
I think it's a little ignorant to instantly assume The Puppet not hating the player wouldn't make sense if the player is William. William and the Puppet don't directly oppose each other, they're not bitter arch enemies the way most characters in these two roles are. Wiliam kills people, and Charlie/The Puppet responds by giving them life, then leading those lost souls in attempts to stop William. The Putter isn't fighting what they hate, they're saving what they love, and then hoping to use those they save to stop the hurt. They don't help the kids out of spite towards Will, but out of an established sense of protection and benevolence The Puppet is known to have, we know that for certain because of the way Henry describes Charlie, "It's in your nature to protect the weak and innocent."
All this to say, it's perfectly reasonable to imagine that The Puppet doesn't outright despise William, she just wishes he'd stop killing people.
I agree
6:55 I find this a silly counter tbh.
“Demons” could refer to Williams’s personal troubles, like regret, sadness, anger over all him crimes. This would imply that in the afterlife youre just left with what you died with, and have to “live” with your decisions for eternity.
Demons could also mean demons from hell, implying that he is supposed to go to hell and VS is keeping him from going, which also forces other spirits along with itself to not pass on.
Wish you offered more counters because the entire video hinges on essentially this point that you brush away quickly, without looking at many alternatives.
On top of all that, there’s literally a voiceline in the OMC section that sounds like “Henry! Mike! Help!” I dont think it gets more clear cut than that, William is being tortured.
As much as I wish this was true because the Puppet’s lines fit so perfectly, The Man In Room 1280 definitely contradicts this. It’s made clear that the body in the room is rooted in evil and Andrew the spirit is keeping it there tortured. The characters can sense that the man is the evil one. Hyperdroid has a video recap of the book, which is what I watched, so I don’t know how many liberties were taken when translating from book to video, but in the video, Hyperdroid states as if it is said in the book that the man IS the one who killed Andrew.
Now I would say that this theory could have a chance of being correct still, and that this book could be building to an epic plot twist. Andrew, a spirit who is not as aware as the puppet, and like the other animatronics is like an animal. He could be mistaking Michael for William much like the animatronics of the past have in the other games.
The thing that trips me up is the feeling that the nurses in the story get from the man. They are confident that he is evil. They try to dissuade another character from bringing the man to where he can be released. They urge him to let Andrew continue punishing him, not to grant the evil man’s final wish to be released. All of this conviction makes me think that all of this could be looking too deep into it, and it might simply be William.
On an unrelated note: another point of evidence, both for and against this theory, is the distorted screaming that is commonly deciphered as “MIKE!!! MIKE!!! HELP ME!!!”
Just another thing I thought I’d mention.
Also the final cutscene in UCN is Golden Freddy shaking as if Cassidy/Andrew is not resting.
Plus the fact that we get those images of Cassidy when we die and the Mediocre Melodies have Cassidy talking through them.
Sorry I just don't buy it being Michael.
I personally subscribe to the theory that Puppet's line "I don't hate you, but you need to get out of my way" is not directed to the player but rather to Cassidy.
And the cutscenes is an argument going on between Charlie and Cassidy, with the Fox and the Bear being Charlie's argument, and Toy Chica being Cassidy's argument.
Plus in Old Man Consequences we control a lightly colored bear.....come on he's clearly talking to Cassidy aka Golden Freddy
"Leave the demon to his demons" makes so much sense with Mike!
Leave your father alone cause the animatronics are hunting him.
imo, the simplest explanation of the game is that you're only playing as Mike in the Old Man Consequences section; you probably play as William in the rest of the game.
I think the biggest problem with it being Mike is that, if it's William, a few lines of dialogue seem weird; but if it's Mike, a few lines of dialogue make sense... and everything else is weird.
Being tormented by animatronics makes sense as a punishment for someone who used animatronics to commit horrible crimes - it's ironic and feels like justice.
Mike got a kid killed definitely by accident decades earlier, was tormented by animatronics, was killed by animatronics, was resurrected, and mostly tried to make amends from that point on. Him being tormented by animatronics doesn't feel like ironic justice; it just feels cruel.
I think what clinches it for me is that, if someone is using this method to punish William, that person's motives are understandable and even sympathetic. I can see a reason why a storyteller would want to show me that. If someone's punishing Mike in this way, apparently knowing his story? That isn't particularly understandable, and it certainly isn't sympathetic.
So yeah. I err on the side of the story being at least somewhat satisfying.
There's definitely theories that Mike is or was helping William for a while, which would explain why he would get punished.
Okay, this theory is FAR better than ypur Midnight Motorist one. You have a lot of potential, and I would love to see more of your theories. Just telling you two advices: Catch up with the books, at least investigate what important things happen in there. The books are clearly important nowadays, that's where William's name was revealed before any game, that's where the idea of Cassidy and Crying Child being in the same animatroc comes from, and that "Andrew" part is not actually an in-game character, it's from an story that works as a comparison of Golden Freddy.
And my second advice is do theories like this one: Picking up ALL evidence. Your Midnight Motorist theory has the same errors that the Orange Guy=William Afton theory, you choose which evidence you acknowledge and which evidence you just say "Nah, I'll just play blind".
Anyways, great work! I already suscribed, so I'm surely gonna see your next theories.
100%
What about the: "Mike, help!" Voice lines hidden in the game?
And also; in the old man consequences mini game - your represented as a Freddy silhouette. (When Mike was introduced in FNAF 4 - he wore the Foxy mask.)
I think that the puppet's voiceline is a direct callback to The Living Tombstone's "I Hope You Die In A Fire"
"I really hate you / stop getting in my way"
I have a bit of additional evidence!
One of the tracks in UCN is titled the phobia of "your reflection".
And Micheal struggles seeing his own reflection through Ennard's takeover of his body in SL. The eyes, not his.
Not to mention, Micheal literally says "They thought I was you"
Over the course of the minigame in SL, he turns into more spitting image of his late father. With his same purple complexion.
Also weirdly enough, Springtrap quotes Micheal in AR saying "I've been living in the shadows."
He increasingly becomes more like his father.
A father like son dynamic.
I realize I'm late to the party, but counter argument: Eisoptrophobia could be because two of the demons or ghosts or manifestations or puppets or whatever they are, are William himself. He now gets to be one of his own victims. He now gets to experience being murdered at his own hands as though he were someone else. He gets to see himself as he is to others. He gets to see himself exactly for what he really is. Hence, the fear of reflections?
@@hoovy5147 Didn't realize that was a phobia
@@TrifectShow Oh, I think you'll find there's a fear for much everything, however rare some of them may be.
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Agreed
I came across your "I solved Midnight Motorist Theory" was recommended to me tonight that and this video are very interesting and well done. You gained your 26th subscriber. Looking forward to that longer video you're talking about.
"I don't hate you, but you need to stay out of my way" could be very well a message to cassidy.
If you think about it, Cassidy is the one that supposedly created this hell for William tormenting him even when he's supposedly already "dead", like he did to her body (this is a link to your previous theory). However in order for the other souls to really rest William needs to STAY dead for them to have their happiest day, but they are also trapped in this hell cassidy created as she perhaps wants them to be there as a reminder of what he had done, BRINGING constant torture to the point he himself is powerless to stop it.
Charlie might be enjoying watching him suffer as she tells cassidy she doesnt "hate" her, but she knows its best to put William to rest in order for the others to move on?
Since she's supposedly the one looking after them: "The others are under MY protection"
Which could be a combat force agaisnt cassidy but cassidy is equally as powerful (or more) due to her insight to wanting vengefulness.
Okay I have a lot of thoughts about this, I’m pretty sure if Charlie even knows Cassidy exists she’d want her to rest too and I’m pretty sure that this is just two people being Afton and Cass.
@@LeaveMeAlone3omgIgotloggedouta I understand the way you thought of this. But honestly, I've seen people talk about Cassidy and she doesnt seem willing to rest while afton is around, but its a good thought
Sister location be like:
"they thought I was you"
“I dont hate you” she’s a child.
“You need to stay out of my way” you just said it, she’s trying to give them their happiest day.
“I recognize you, i was afraid of you.” Because William murdered her…..
“Im not anymore” he’s (supposed to be) dead, and stuck in a bunny suit ?? What is there to be afraid of now?
I %1000 believe this is William literally no one else makes sense in this situation
Old Man Consequences could easily be talking to golden freddy . “Why would OMC say leave the demon to his demon, rest yours own soul.”
“Leave the demon to his demons.”
Leave William to his own doings
“Rest your own soul.”
Literally REST and stop putting this man through hell and REST. Because Cassidy is literally putting William through hell.
Hey, I have a theory for you… somewhat.
I don’t really have a way of connecting these two figures, but wouldn’t it be possible to draw a connection between old man consequences and Young Michael Afton?
They both have the Foxy styled head and narratively it would make sense…
Michaels actions have consequences.
So maybe it’s his conscience growing older? That’s why old man consequences? Idk but I found it interesting and just now thought of it.
Could it be Michael talking to himself?
I always thought it was Michael. Male pronouns for the vengeful spirit, he killed Evan, he is the reason his brother died and became fredbear/golden Freddy. I think it makes sense that he is getting a revenge on his brother
It makes for a FAR better narrative.
I was thinking about it, and I'm probably wrong here, but the puppet's line about not hating us and how we need to stay out of their way could be a reference to the song "it's been so long" by the living tombstone
The song itself is about one of the dead kids, the puppet is brought up multiple times, and the diolog here is really close to the opening lines
Like the theories man, keep up the good work. Really enjoying seeing a different perspective on these.
Hello again!
One thing that's not that important, but I still wanted to mention is that as soon as you bought up the puppet's voice lines I was chanting Michael lol
Onto a more serious note, I really love this theory! As someone who likes to write, the ending with the three siblings is the perfect book's close ending for those characters! Especially when the alternative is that Micheal and the crying child are in Glamrock Freddy and Gregory respectively. Don't get me wrong, MattPatt brings up good evidence for it, but it just doesn't feel right to me. When we look at the game alone not once do they bring up people making child animatronics to bring their dead kids back, it's always child souls hunting the animatronics. Honestly I think that's what I'd like to see a theory on, sister location and what or who you think is Gregory. You know keeping on the theme of people thinking we play as one character when we actually play as another lol
I think the only other thing I want to bring up is how you say it doesn't make sense for old man consequences to be talking to the vengeful spirit, but I think it does. You bring up, what demons should he be referring to if the vengeful spirit isn't the one torturing William, but the vengeful spirit isn't a demon just a kid who's mad about how they died and wants revenge. At the end of the day though, they still deserve peace, to walk into the light sorta speak. However, that doesn't explain away the picture of the three people which is why, after everything I just said, I still think your theory makes the most sense!
I don't like to discredit MatPat's theories since he's been doing this for a long time and he gets enough hate from everyone else, but yeah, I never liked the idea of Glamrock Freddy and Gregory tying back to the Crying Child and Michael. There are some parallels, sure, but it feels reeeaaaaally unsatisfying from a narrative perspective.
Sister Location is a game that I *really* want to dig into, to be honest. Honestly that entire game's existence feels kinda crazy to me, since Michael's monologue at the end of the Custom Night always gave me the vibe that he was aware of what was gonna happen to him if he went down there, and yet he willingly went anyway. Makes me wonder what his motivations really are, but that's a huge rabbithole that I'd need to spend a lot more time thinking about. And when it comes to making a theory on Gregory, I think I'll hold off until Ruin comes out, since it's gonna be pretty soon and, knowing Scott, that game is gonna throw a wrench in everything I think about him.
As for Old Man Consequences potentially talking to the Vengeful Spirit, while I do agree that they deserve peace and that they're just a kid angrily lashing out, I also think that they're the one holding this entire thing together. I think everyone else who William killed already got their peace at this point, and that the Vengeful Spirit is the only one left. I could be entire wrong about that though, it definitely *could* be the Vengeful Spirit that Old Man Consequences is talking to. But yeah, I like how the picture of the three people that we never got an explanation for finally has something that makes sense. That's a loose thread that's bothered me for a loooong time now.
@@Cryonide Oh absolutely no disrespect to MattPatt! I was there for his first theory on FNAF all the way back when I was 14. Everything I learned about theorizing I learned from watching him! I'm 23 now so that's 9 years of being subscribed and a big fan of Matthew Patrick. I just don't agree with everything he says, especially when it comes to Gregory being a robot. Or that time on gtlive that he kept calling Molly and Edward, from the Walton files, high schoolers when if you do the math they are actually 9 and 12 respectfully. It's also why I like watching a bunch of different peoples theories, though most tend to follow the same line of thinking as MattPatt.
Natively speaking, William doesn't necessarily need the vengeful spirit to hold everything together. So far whenever we talk about someone being set free or brought into the light it's been because they were either the kids being set free by Michael, in the FNAF 3 mini games, or Michael himself facing the Consequences of his actions ultimately redeeming himself. William on the other hand, has yet to even admit he was wrong. Whenever he comes back, he always goes back to killing, or rather trying to kill, anyone he can get a hold of to further his investigation into remnant even though he himself is now being kept alive through the stuff. I think William himself is keeping himself here by not accepting the consequences of his actions. Of course as soon as he does that we're not going to have a franchise anymore so he always comes back!
With all that being said though, there's one question that I've been thinking about, why do we see that scene with Old Man Consequences twice? One that leads to a family photo and the other a black screen. My thought, is that Michael got to Old Man Consequences first and got his book close ending with Emily and the crying child. Then the vengeful spirit went, but they still had anger in their heart. They weren't going to forgive William just to save their own soul hence why the black screen. Either that or the vengeful spirit didn't have anybody waiting for them like Michael did which left them alone when they passed on.
Oh I just remembered something else I was going to ask in the comment above but forgot about! I was wondering what your thoughts on Emily's room being empty in FNAF 4 is about? I know some people say that she's already dead in FNAF 4, but personally I don't agree. Not only does that mean Baby would've had to be made already, but it implies that William had the urge to kill way before his youngest kids die. And if it was the case that she's dead then why did we not see Ms. Afton as well? Personally I think there's a simpler answer for Emily's room being empty.
@@Cryonide I just re-read the first part of your comment and I realized I misread discredit as disrespect... Sorry my dyslexia makes me dumb sometimes 😅
If you're correct then that'd destroy the story from a narrative perspective. Playing as William put a nice little bow tie on this games if you don't recognize the proceeding games.
I think this is a good plot, but I the evidence for it being William fits a bit better with other events and whatnot imo. A lot of the evidence seems more like how it being Michael would recontexualize certain things rather than being evidence. Even if I don't believe this theory, I love seeing what people come up with and I look forward to what you make next!:)
This theory was amazing and i am very interested in what your third idea is but man you gave me something that i can best describe as a flashback
And it's because of fnaf help wanted curse of dreadbear having Old man consequence's lake and we know the area we play as is his lake since theirs an Easter egg of the sky turning red at first i thought it was just a easter egg as it only has appeared in the other game with animatronics with characters from other games until you look at another easter egg of dreadbear walking out of the lake and if you don't know dreadbear represents the bite victim for multiple reasons
one: dreadbear used to tower over what looks to be the Fnaf 4 house
two: The only other new animatronic that is in curse of dreadbear is grim foxy a combination of foxy and the grim reaper like how Michael with the foxy mask killed his brother while wearing a foxy mask
three: in the survival log book we see that in one of the pages where we rate 1-10 one of the lines is "existential dread" but it's changed in one of those pages to "it was for me"
I'm going to be honest i don't know how true what I'm about to say is but i think the unc old man consequences was trying to help the bite victim let go of his vengeance and rest his soul and yes this would mean that he most likely is the vengeful spirit
But I'm really tired and just put all of this theory together after i watched the video maybe it gave an idea
(Also maybe another quick idea for a future video in fnaf 4 one of the kids ask's where your plushie is while the fredbear plush is looking at use behind a car witch could mean that the fredbear plush is moving and their for possessed or william is moving like a remote control toy car)
When it comes to Curse of Dreadbear, that's actually one of the entries in the series that I'm the least familiar with, only behind the AR game. I didn't realize they referenced Old Man Consequences in that game, that's actually really cool. I was scared he'd just get discarded after FNAF World and that UCN was just a little cameo Scott gave him to fill out a slot.
When it comes to FNAF 4, I'm trying to save a lot of my theories on that game for now since it has some moments that I really wanna address in the big video that I'm working on. I am interested in how Plushbear works though, I always assumed it had to do with Illusion Discs but I've never looked too deep into it myself. Could actually be a pretty interesting thing to research 👀
@@Cryonide Yeah it's okay not knowing curse of dreadbear since theirs a lot of obscure/rare easter eggs and i don't even know all of them i think at least
And glad i might have given something for you to research for your next theory/other theory
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I really like this perspective!! It was very interesting and actually well thought out - really like your view on stuff . keep up the good work man :)) also I’d love to see you talk about fnaf 3s protagonist and your ideas on the mini games ?
Didn’t realize how new your channel was until I realized you only had 400 subs! Looking forward to seeing more theories from you
as much as i still believe we’re playing as william, i love how your videos are so well thought out. You’re very underrated! subscriber added :)
I was always confused by the disappearance of the spirits from Fnaf 2, maybe there is something there. Also the happiest day needs some reexamination. Love this stuff man!
I think Happiest Day is not necessarily showing us something that has happened, but rather showing us Charlie's goal
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This theory was really nice to watch ngl - really makes you think about what you thought about FNAF lol.
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The issue with this is the hidden William screams calling out to Mike. Also doesn't make sense for Micheal to get tormented by Cassidy. Someone did a theory saying that some of the lines the puppet says are to Cassidy not to William.
i mean i suppose those screams could possibly just be summed down to michael’s memories of hearing william burning in the fire
@@ianternet9587 But that doesn't make sense if this whole game is about someone else torturing and not William's. If we are playing as Michelle, he gets wrongfully tortured, has gold freddy constantly say he shouldn't have killed him, and then in this scene with old man consequences hears his father's screams from before he died
@@ianternet9587 Just feels bad story telling because the wrong guys is getting tortured
The Vengeful Spirit isn't a demon tho, he's a young child who is keeping an evil man in a tormented state. OMC is telling the Vengeful Spirit to rest, they've suffered enough and should just ascend to heaven and in turn leave William to be tortured by actual demons.
I agree
I really like this theory and have also taken it into my own hands to also look at the voicelines of other characters in the game and a lot of them can fit Michael but a lot of them also contridict that and are pointing to how we may be playing as william. It is all very complicated and confusing, as fnaf lore goes, but it's still an interesting theory.
It seems pretty clear that the puppet doesn't care about William and vengeance as much as the others and is clearly focused on freeing the spirits. She's telling William to stay out of her way so she can just get the others to move on. This is why she doesn't hate him; she is a saviour who let go of her hatred and is trying to help the others do the same. Your previous theory is interesting and deals with some aspects of the franchise that aren't that clean, but I feel this game is pretty neatly tied up.
You didn't even mention the other voicelines that allude way more heavily to this being a purgatory, the first one that comes to mind is Orville's "I will hold you here no matter how many times they burn us". Or William's tortured screaming in the Old Man Consequences minigame. There's just far more evidence (to an almost certifiable degree, which is rare in this franchise) that this is William.
I don't really agree with any of your theories as yet, but I like them :)
As for suggestions, how about Sister Location timing? That seems to be the biggest mystery in the community atm which would solve many problems, I'm interested to hear your perspective.
I didn't mention the other voice lines because, as I stated, I'm of the mindset that the Puppet's voice lines, namely "The others are like animals, but I am very aware." implies that the Puppet knows something that everyone else doesn't--and in this case, I think it's who we are. As I said, animatronics confusing Michael and William isn't exactly a new trend in this series; the plot of Sister Location is centered around that point entirely. As for William being heard screaming in the background of the OMC minigame, I agree with you. I'm of the mindset that the two men who died in the same fire were dragged into the same purgatory, and that we're seeing the POV of the man who *wasn't* supposed to be here.
Out of curiosity though, and at the risk of sounding rude when I'm not trying to be, can you explain the inclusion of certain animatronics that, to my knowledge, William has never encountered before? Such as the Phantoms, arguably the Nightmares depending on your stance on FNAF4 (that's an entirely different topic), and Ennard? Throw Phone Guy in there too, since I don't think William ever heard any of those phone calls.
Also the two incarnations of... himself.
@@Cryonide I feel those details line up with this game being a literal hell. It's not something existing in the mind of any character, it is a physical (or spiritual ig? Idk) purgatory which this character has been placed into. These animatronics are summoned by Cassidy after the burning of PS to torture someone for eternity. I don't think it matters whether or not this character has actually seen them before because this is actually happening.
Another great piece of evidence is Henry's foreshadowing, "For one of you, the darkest pit of hell has opened up to swallow you whole." Given that UCN was supposed to be included in PS, it seems way too 1:1 to ignore.
As for Springtrap, it is odd, but given this game's status as a Ku de Gra to the franchise, it'd be pretty shitty for Scott to exclude an entire game from the franchise in what is supposed to be a celebration of FNAF.
Also, if you think this is Michael in his purgatory, where did William go? If these are his demons that we are leaving HIM to, then where is he? Why are the animatronics tormenting Michael if they could be tormenting William?
Also, why would Michael still be looking for his father? He just found Afton in PS. (And also in FNAF 3).
Additionally, whoever we're playing as is being *held* there, meaning they don't want to be there and are held against their will by outside forces. The person that Old Man Consequences is talking to is obviously the one in control of the situation, since they have the capability to let go. If Michael is the one being trapped, then either way the person sinking into the pond is still Cassidy, which means that Michael is not finding peace with himself, he's just trapped, which messes up all the vibes you set up in your scenario where he finds peace.
One thing I've never understood is that, if we're playing as William in this game, being haunted by his past victims, then why are both Springtrap AND Scraptrap here, when they're both William in the springlock suit? Is William haunting himself? Are they hellish reflections of him to make him fear as his victims did? Why would he tell himself that he "Always comes back?" or tell himself things that he would already know? No one to my knowledge has ever addressed these. Also, IDK if Springtrap and Scraptrap are spelled as 2 words, or one word, like is it Spring Trap, Spring-Trap, or Springtrap? Not used to seeing them written out.
They're meant to be reflections of his sins, and Scraptrap catchphrase is meant to be joke on how he only comes only once per night
Also, the name of the title theme means something like "fear of seeing one's own reflection"
they're demons
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Not even considering all other voice lines that point to us playing as William, the line from Old Man Consequences "leave the demon to his demons" is, from what I can tell, referring to Cassidy keeping William alive and in a constant nightmare (what UCN is) instead of letting him pass on and go to hell (assuming a parallel to The Man in Room 1280). The "demons" that Old Man Consequences is referring to are William's inner demons, which he will have to face in the great beyond (also maybe literal demons stabbing him with pitchforks, idc). The bear character going into the water by Old Man Consequences' pond represents Cassidy ('vengeful spirit') leaving William in the hands of God or whoever and finally passing on.
3:32 I do like that confirmation. "the others are like animals" just sort of the *lack of agency* the souls have over their own actions. That's what makes these things creepy.
But it almost serves to make the puppet even more creepy here. You know it just works really well. Good voice line.
That’s probably not what it means
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So what is that Bellora voiceline about? Also I could've sworn there is a scream in UCN that sounds like "Mike, HELP ME"
Who is the Mike referring to if we're playing as Michael? Or is that just Michael yelling at himself? Also what's that Baby line supposed to mean? Baby who was left behind by William and was realistically only released because of Michael, how is that exactly "forgetting about her" in any way?
"I'm not afraid of you. Not anymore"
You know when they'd be afraid of William? Oh you know, the night she got killed maybe?
"I don't hate you, but you need to stay out of my way"
This still makes sense for William, considering that the Puppet has (even in your words) been trying to give all spirits their happiest day. That can't happen if Vengeful Spirit is tormenting William until eternity, which is why she's even here in the first place. They don't hate William as much as Vengeful Spirit hates them, and are more caring in nature than they are angry or cruel like Cassidy/Andrew. In that sense, William dying and even to some extent, Cassidy's torture (that leads them up to this point) is enough of a punishment for the Puppet to be content enough to not warrant any hatred towards them. But they still need William out of the picture.
How does that work with the "Seeing you powerless is like music to me" quote? Well it's simple really. William being powerless means no more work beyond the current set of kids, she doesn't need to shepherd more souls into the afterlife, and she doesn't need to fear that William will kill and hurt more kids. Her work is almost finished, which sounds like music to her.
"I am remade, but not by you. By the one you should not have killed"
So Michael made the nightmares now? And he also killed someone? Are we saying Crying Child is causing UCN now?
"i am the fearful reflection of what you created"
So Michael created the puppet? Or did he kill Charlie? I'm very confused by any of these to be interpreted.
"He tried to release you, he tried to release us, but I won't let that happen, I will keep you here, I will hold you here, no matter how many times they burn us."
Again, Michael doesn't make sense. Considering that Michael was part of the "burn the animatronics" gang. Hell he started that movement in FNAF3. If anything HE should be the one that tried to release Michael, not Henry.
This theory of yours falls apart at every corner.
As far as I believe, what happens in UCN isn't actual purgatory or whatever. It's inside William's mind. Cassidy is using all of these memories she has as tools and weaponizes them against Afton. Meaning that his interpretation of Bellora (that being she is his wife's standin) is just that; a memory. She isn't haunted. But she is still addressing him. "She" isn't talking to her son in this moment. Saying that "Only michael has seen animatronic X" is very unlikely. There is a decent bit of evidence about the mediocres being Henry's creation that William would have seen before (check out Matpat's video on that, it's also featured in his timeline video).
You seem to have completely misunderstood my point. The theory is based off of the Puppet’s awareness of who our player’s identity is, while the rest of the animatronics think we’re someone else. That doesn’t mean Michael did all of those awful things-that means that the animatronics are attacking him because they think he’s William, the person who did all of those things. Which, as I said, is essentially the plot of Sister Location, when Michael himself says: “They didn’t recognize me at first, but then, they thought I was you.”
As for Old Man Consequences, you’re right, that *is* someone yelling at Mike for help in the background. The point is that William is *also* down here suffering. They died in the same fire. They’re suffering the same fate. But the Puppet tells Michael to stop getting in the way and move on, and Old Man Consequences tells him to “leave the demon to his demons”. After saying that, the only option left available to you is to do the thing that closes the game, effectively doing exactly what Old Man Consequences tells you to do. That means that Old Man Consequences is either talking to Michael directly, and that the game ends with him moving on and leaving William to suffer, *or* it’s a meta 4th-wall break where he’s directly talking to us. I don’t know Scott for being big on those though, so I struggle to say that’s the case.
So no. This isn’t a theory that falls apart at every corner. I actually think it’s very self explanatory. You’re free to disagree if you want, that’s all well and good, but there’s no need for you to be so snarky about it, while ignoring the key points I made to try and make me look dumb.
@@Cryonide Scott talking to us and telling us to "leave the demon to his demons" is actually very on point with him telling us that we "smell" and that we "tampered with the animatronics" in FNAF 1 and 2 so for what that's worth, it works.
You're telling me that Cassidy, the BIG "demon" that is kind of orchestrating everything in UCN, ISN'T able to understand that the person they're tormenting is NOT William, but his son Michael? That doesn't make much sense at all to me. Cassidy and Charlie (or GF and Puppet) have always been the duo whose souls are the strongest and when it comes to targeting William, Cassidy is actually said to be linking their soul to him in order to torment him for eternity. It doesn't make sense for it to be Michael being tormented.
@@CaptainRickey Yes. I am telling you that Cassidy is confused.
I understand that it doesn't make much sense--admittedly, I have trouble believing it too. However, I still find it less illogical than the fact that Circus Baby--the animatronic literally possessed by a family member--didn't recognize Michael at first, either. Granted, over time she recognized him to some extent--but even then it's unclear whether or not she realizes it's Michael or if she also thinks it's William at that point. She's aware by FNAF6, but who knows when that happens relative to Sister Location itself.
Either way, my point is this: if the animatronic possessed by a life-long family member can be confused between Michael and William, then I don't think it's wrong to assume that Cassidy can be confused as well.
I think it mostly has to do with anger. Remember, at the end of the day, Cassidy is still a child, lashing out in anger. Charlotte is a kid too, but never appears to be anywhere nearly as angry as Cassidy, not to mention that she's been trying to soothe people's souls and give them life again, so I think it's reasonable for her to figure out who we're playing as before Cassidy ever could.
im pretty sure during the old man consequences mini game the Protagonist screams "MIIIKKE" as he goes down nearly asking for Micheals help with his eternal damnation, tho i could be thinking of another moment we see old man consequences maybe but im pretty sure it was this one that i was thinking off
I could see it being micheal, then again the animatronics have been known to attack the wrong person in thinking it was wiliam. And since its cassidy/andrew and not crying child, golden freddy assumed it was william.
Bro why does your avatar look like the Thin Man from Little Nightmares 2?
This is an interesting theory but I don't understand why would the puppet be happy because of Michael being powerless
Yeah apparently Charlie's just an asshole lmao
this video was great I'm excited to see your next theory. and the ending for the Afton kids are great and very fitting. (if what youre saying is correct and I hope it is too lol.)
Fan theory we are playing as some form of glitch trap and thus the puppet sees it isn't william (i am vary aware" but needs to "stop getting in the way. "
Matt patt @GAME Theroy helps confirm this theroy saying that the electrical lines look vary puppet like. The puppet fighting with glitch trap over control of the new animationics.
A shit that makes a lot of sense with puppet voice lines if it’s Michael being tortured, now it makes it more sad how Michael has to suffer beyond death too
But I’m confused how is Michael getting in the way he helped Henry kill William for good, and on RUclips people slowed down that scream and it was someone screaming Michael and Henry
This is the most confused and aimless theory video I've ever seen
this can be disproven with one simple thing, mike is still alive as of fnaf ar as shown with some unreleased emails being sent to mafton
and it's easy to explain why omc wants cassidy to leave, because she is keeping all the souls with her in there
plus, you know it was the case in fazbear frights so it's probably the case in games
Great video!
I think that if we realy are playing as Michael then the vengeful spirit might be the bite victim
how about a video on what could have scared the crying child into being afraid of fredbears? some people think it was seeing Elizabeth's death but it makes no sense because 1. there couldn't have been witnesses and 2. there was no reason for baby to have a scooper to kill if afton wasn't already going after kid souls. but what else could have been the incident to scare CC? and why?
Old man consequences: Michael’s old man’s consequences
It absolutely makes sense if old man consequences is talking to cassidy. William is already dead so it kinda doesnt matter if he suffers or not, old man consequences just wants cassidy to pass on and find peace
One thing that bothers me about this theory. Why do we play as (golden) freddy in old man consequences minigame?
I sort of understand this theory, but alot of evidence points that we are playing as William the killer, but as you said that the puppet is one of the important characters, so their line must have a some sort of importance, on the puppet lined, *the others are animals, but I am very aware* this would imply that the other just simply act by their emotion or negative emotions. So the puppet being aware knows who we are playing as, and also what about those Henry animatronics? Aren't their lines like non-aggressive, I suppose?
Well interesting one of the biggest things working agenst this theory is William's screams
In OMCS Lake you can hear a sound when you speed it up you can hear William screaming for Henry and Mike
What about the old man consequences audio?
Slow Clap!! Slow Clap!!!
You shouldnt have done it Mike!!!!
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Strong music choice
This feels like a confirmation bias
I like the idea that Michael was the protagonist of the entire original FnaF saga from FnaF 1 to UCN, in FnaF 4 he has to deal with the traumas of having killed his brother, This would also be the first time that his hallucinations would be generated, in the end Henry would be the one who would tell him to rest both physically and spiritually (in the case of Old Man C. being Henry)
My only dispute: The line 'leave the demon to his demons' dosen't make it so that we couldn't be Cassidy in that scene. While she is one of the tormentors she isn't a demon, nor are the other missing children's souls. None of whom I believe are actually present in Afton's hell. The 50 animatronics in UCN include a cast that never had souls in them, so it is not fit to say that Cassidy is the same as the rest of the animatronics.
Now, I could go either way on whether or not the rest of the Animatronics that did have spirits are still present in UCN. The puppet especially could still be Charlie, not leaving Cassidy behind. I choose to believe that UCN a nightmare of Cassidy's making and thus, everything else, maybe except the Puppet, is just a figment of her machinations. Hence the visual of just Golden Freddy, alone, twitching with rage as everyone else has moved on. She finally leaves William to suffer in hell alone after the Old Man Consequences scene.
Now, so far both William and Michael as the POV work, except; why is Michel in hell? It dosen't feel narratively cohesive to me that Michael's story ends with him going to hell and being tortured by the spirts that believe him to be William. Either Michael canonically suffers damnation, or the spirits *all* make a mistake and drag him into UCN to make him suffer for the sins of his father. A hell that he can leave of his own will somehow via Old Man Consequences. I'm not arguing Michael is a flawless person, obviously he was as shitty kid, but I don't enjoy the notion that this story ends with the protagonist getting a game dedicated to their damnnation while the villain is never shown to suffer anything similar.
When it comes to the villain never being shown to suffer anything similar, that's not entirely accurate. This is probably something that I should have brought up in the video itself, but you can hear William's screams for help during the Old Man Consequences ending, meaning that he is still down there suffering. In essence, what I think happens is essentially similar to what you said with Cassidy--Michael leaves William to suffer in hell alone and finally rests his own soul.
As for why Michael is down there in the first place, I chalk it up to the fact that he and William ultimately died in the same fire, and as a result, they were brought into the same realm that Cassidy created for William the sake of torturing William.
As for the potential of us playing as Cassidy in the OMC minigame though... I kinda struggle to believe that. I can't deny the possibility, but I can't say in good faith that the same vengeful spirit who created a personalized hell for William Afton would suddenly be content just leaving him here to suffer and not being there to witness any of it.
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I don't discount any theory so here's another argument for it. William and Michael have the same voice actor and it's not unusual for son's to look like their fathers. So the others confusing Michael for his father since they are running on instinct isn't outside the possibilities.
If Micheal is the one we are playing as then the vengeful spirit is crying child, if it was the other spirit in golden Freddy why would they keep Micheal in a hell, it would make sense for crying child cause you know Micheal killed him and tormented him, so the crying child is doing it back to Micheal. (But it just a theory idk)
makes sense since i never understood why afton would get jumpscared by afton
I mean, there are two iterations of William Afton in the game already (Springtrap and Afton). It doesn't make sense for there to be two in the first place if you think they're literally the characters from the story. I don't see why they can't just be bodies the Golden Freddy Spirit conjured to torment the actual soul of William.
@@lavenderlavender3952 i liked your post but i actually don't understand what you meant.
This is a really unique take on this.
Great theory all around, in the beginning it felt like a stretch but there are some great argumentative points, but I will point out however that in the books there is a story of a man who is stuck in a hospital room completely burned to a crisp but still barely alive, and how he’s only alive because of “something holding him back”. If I’m not mistaken it’s revealed that man is a parallel to William and that “something” is the vengeful spirit. Meaning that he’s alive and trapped inside his own personal Hell, that being UCN
you just became my favorite theorist
Still makes more sense that it’d be William. And if it is mike, I think it would make more sense that “the one you should not have killed” would be crying child, not Cassidy.
How are the nightmares in ultimate custom night if there just for c.c
to me, it simply makes zero narrative sense for Micheal to be punished so heavily for his literal ONE ACCIDENTAL incident. I don’t think you can use like, one? Voice line from the puppet to prove that all the other insurmountable evidence isn’t the case. Charlotte is in all likelihood probably just doesn’t have as large of a grudge against William as the rest of the dead kids. Micheal being “down there to find his father” doesn’t make sense either, he already did. And he died with him in ffps. You also just…. Completely gloss over OMC’s first line because it like… entirely disproves this theory lol
And how do you explain Cassidy/The Vengeful Spirit then? What reason would a victim of William’s have to keep his son trapped when she… has probably never seen him once outside of if she showed up when he was the nightguard in 1/2 but that seems like an INSANE stretch and has no reason to hate the guy either…like. The entire premise of the game is “the one you should not have killed” and Micheal didn’t kill anybody besides his brother, who is very obviously not Cassidy. I’d definitely need an edplana
explanation for that at least*
Leave the demons to his demons might just mean let William go to hell
as a huge fan of mike i love this theory. i love that he gets a good ending with omc
the midnight motorist video was amazing as well, the story works so well
I didn't want to believe you but you've convinced me.
What about that hidden voice clip in Old Man Consequence, the voice of William screaming for help? This also helps proving your theory, right?
Yep
William’s screaming for help in the background as Michael finally moves on
This is absurd, if the Puppet is aware that it's Michael down there, why would it still attack him? To stop him from getting to William? Why? Does it think Michael is somehow going to scoop him back to life or something?
And that's ignoring the fact that it's not actually the Puppet we hear speak, after all isn't Cassidy the only one that remained to torture William?
And why would OCM refer to the victims as "demons"? It would make so much more sense to refer to a normal afterlife where he gets punished for his sins by actual, non metaphoric demons like Henry said. In your line of reasoning that line implies a good chunk of the victims stayed behind to torment William, not just Cassidy which goes contrary to what the game presents.
My understanding is that it’s a personalized hell made by the vengeful spirit to torment William. The “demons” in question are the animatronics… I don’t see how you can get any other interpretation from that.
The theory is that Michael was brought here unintentionally, and the Puppet is saying “stop it, get out of my way.” I don’t think there needs to be an explicit worry or concern about what Michael can do for that. At the very least, the Puppet has infinitely more of a reason to attack Michael than the night guard you play as for a majority of FNAF2, assuming you only play as Michael on the custom night.
Yeah but why would Cassidy have a grudge against Mike?
The problem is, if you're saying that the vengeful spirit / the one you should not have killed is Cassidy / Andrew, then how can Michael be the one they're tormenting? He didnt kill them, he only (accidentally) killed the crying child.
Plus, its only really one line from the puppet (granted, theyre a very important character) that suggests youre not playing as william. But there are plenty of lines from all the other animatronics that suggests you are.
Idk, i know that as a community we do need to start looking at things in different ways but i think MikeHell is one of those theories that id be very shocked was correct. Still, i hope you keep up the videos because youre perspectives are very interesting.
I didn't think UCN like that, thank you for telling us this.
Would you mind lowering the music's volume? It makes it harder to listen to you 😅 Other than that, great video, keep at it! ❤
I always thought the whole William player thing was a bit of a stretch too
This video really made me appreciate Ultimate Custom Night that much more
You absolutely convinced me.
Love the yttd visuals and music
I do like this theory, but we know that its not true. The man in room 1280 basically confirms that we are william in UCN. Also, the evidence for this theory pails in comparison to the evidence for williamUCN. Every voiceline makes sense if we are playing as william, it is a fitting conclusion to his story, and, most conclusively I think, we hear him shouting for mike in the OMC minigame. You hear him saying either “MIIIKE HEEEELP” or “MIIIKE, HENRYYYY”, and in either case he is certainly speaking TO mike. Plus the evidence for this theory just isn’t strong. The OMC minigame is certainly talking to the vengeful spirit. “Leave the demon to his demons” would absolutely make sense if being said to the vengeful spirit. OMC is telling the VS to leave william to his inner demons, not his outer ones. This is a common meaning for the word “demons” in modern day(think the song). The puppet voicelines are super interesting to me, and definitely the best evidence I believe, but there are certainly ways to explain them that don’t contradict the huge amount of evidence from UCN and the books. My favorite interpretation is that the puppet is speaking to the VS when she says the “I don’t hate you” line. This line makes total sense in that case. The puppet, after all, wouldn’t hate the VS as they were both kids killed by william, but she is asking the VS to stay out of the way of the other children’s happiest day. The VS is keeping william here, which in turn, keeps the spirits from moving on. The reason they are like animals is probably because they have no autonomy and are basically completely controlled by the VS.
I love this theory, makes a huge amount of sense, (I’m not up to date with all the gameplay or lore yet, so forgive me if I’m wrong) but if you are Michael instead of Cassidy or “vengeful spirit”, why are you depicted as a bear?
I agree with this theory as I also thought about it before.
You shouldn’t listen to the people in the comments refuting your arguments with the arguments you had already mentioned, they are most likely the kind of people that take matpat’s theories as gospel and not for what they are: just theories.
So keep up the good work and thinking out of the box!
No one probably gonna see this but one line that I always found odd was michael saying “they didn't recognize me at first, they thought I was you'' which was said in one of the sister location endings in my opinion I think that in the end of pizza sim when Michael died and William also presumed dead they sent the wrong person there thinking it was William when in actuality they caught Michael. That would explain why the nightmares are there. And if were including the theory that nightmare is a endo with a broken illusion disk, how would William have any idea what he'd look like? how would the fnaf 3 illusions fit in? all of the things we see are things Michaels seen (side note the person were playing as in fnaf 3 isnt named its either henry or mike but its weird that the nightmares and the illusions are in the same game considering Henry hasnt seen the nightmares)
I've thought that Michael is the the character of this game for a while. I think the most interesting aspect is that it might imply that there arent two sould in golden freddy. It's just the crying child. The one Michael shouldn't have killed. The one who wants vengeance on him. Or at least Michael assumes his brother wants revenge. That's why the final ending is golden freddy still twitching. Whether it's all in Michael's head or an actual hell, Michael will always be haunted by the ghost of the brother he killed.
Interesting theory. I do think interpreting Michael as the PC in OMC has some promise, in addition to the idea of Michael's trying to find his father's soul in UCN. It also might make sense of the Japanese cutscenes, OMC, and even Security Breach in which Freddy represents Michael, not Henry.
But the whole theory that we are playing as Michael through the whole thing rests on the idea that every enemy in the game other than the Puppet and OMC have mistaken Michael for William again. This was plausible in Sister Location since that was human Michael, but after becoming literally purple and puking robot spaghetti, I think the physical similarities would have ended and it would be extremely unlikely only 2 of the 50+ characters weren't fooled again.
The "I don't hate you" line is a bit perplexing, but I think it's just showing Charlotte's motivation is and always has been giving gifts and giving life, not in vengeance for her own murder. Seeing him powerless would please her because he wouldn't be victimizing anyone else. That wouldn't need hatred.
The only video idea I have is the intepretation of fnaf 4 that I have (where the fredbear plush is cc and william). It's too much of a bother to write it here so if you want to hear more about it, we would have to arrange a discord call or smth. Anyways, here are the basics:
backgroung: CC is William’s son who has a hard time socialising. He cries easily when stressed due to his young age and personality. His friends are his toys, and the fredbear plush is his best friend. William knows that and takes advantage of it by inserting a walkie talkie inside the plush to let him communicate with his son better (as sometimes children tend to clam up to their parents and comfort themselves with toys, so speaking through the toys seems logical. It's possible, because CC takes his imaginary best friend very seriously, possibly not even knowing when it is William who speaks through it and when it’s all in CC:s head (the same way small children don’t recognise their dads playing santa claus)).
just before fnaf 4 minigames: CC's Bday is coming but cuz he lonely, his loving parent Will throws a party for him. Will invites all the kids in the neighbourhood (mostly Mike's friends, I imagine) to help CC get sum real friends. When CC hears that a huge party is coming for hem, he gets stressed and starts crying. Mike, being adolescent, doesn't understand CC's troubles and starts teasing/bullying CC because of that.
So, the fredbear plush is a channel for interacting with CC for both himself and William. What we see and read in fnaf 4 minigames strongly imply this. Plush duo isn't possible with any other character than CC + William, and plush uno (William) has so many problems with the lines as they don't make any sense. The plush could be Charlotte + William, maybe, but that would mean William killed Charlotte before CC dies, and I don't believe that.
Jeez I ain't doing this ever again lol.
oh hell yeah YTTD ost while i listen to fnaf discussion