Disproving Midnight Motorist
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- Everyone talks about the most probable scenario when it comes to Midnight Motorist. What if I told you that it wasn't even possible?
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I feel like your first point immediately falls apart when you consider that Elizabeth could literally just be in another room in the house, you know, where children usually are at night. Like we only see one bedroom, but this house has clearly been 'squished' to be concise considering we know at least three people live there
Oh yeah, I forgot about the multiple windows and trash cans.
Yeah, by that logic where do the parents sleep. Where is the kitchen? The bathroom?
@@XimiBell Simplified minigame exploding head!
Yeah, it was a massive stretch for Cryonide to say that Vanessa and Elizabeth are the same person. You don't need a perfect timeline to see that this wouldn't even be possible.
I actually think orange guy is a robot because we never see him eat or go to bathroom.
I think that Vanessa is a symbolic parallel of Elizabeth but not to that extent. I do not think that just because Vanessa's mom killed herself and such after a nasty divorce that Vanessa was forced to testify in, does not mean that is what happened to Ms.Afton. Vanessa's parallels to Elizabeth are, IMO, just symbolic.
So basically, Elizabeths mom is divorced but not dead
@@wirginiamobillio Or she could be dead bt not divorced. Maybe rather than committing suicide after a custody case went against her, she did it after she "lost" her child/children another way- like one or two of them dying horribly or going mysteriously missing. It was even because of similar reasons, specifically her husband's scheming and one of her children acting in a way she couldn't have predicted (the last part is a bit of a stretch to be fair)
If that's legitimately what Scott is trying to imply (that losing her two younger children kind of broke her and she eventually ended it all) then having her be the person in the chair who gives a rather half hearted and somewhat perfunctory attempt to stop orange guy storming in to yell at Michael but does nothing to actually stop him would show how disconnected she had become and how dysfunctional things are.
This video has had an almost perfect timing with the B2-7 leak, which would explain that Midnight Motorist means that William kidnaps children to take them to the fake house of FNaF 4 and experiment on them and the mound could be the entrance to Circus Baby Entertainment and Rentals
Hear me out: William is only purple in minigames when he’s in uniform, because the security uniform is purple. In Midnight Motorist, he is no longer wearing the uniform because he is home from work.
I *think* Scott said the purple represents William hiding in the shadows. He’s not doing anything malicious in MM so he’s not shadowy
@@kauricebell >He’s not doing anything malicious in MM so he’s not shadowy
Or.... because we *are* him, and you cant hide from yourself?
Or because the lore is inconscistent with character designs *coughs* scraptrap *coughs*
The whole point of William having 2 different sprites in FNAF 2 is one has a badge to represent he’s now the night guard and one doesn’t
Actually guys in the new Fnaf movie trailer Michael wears an orange tie so he could be Mustard Man
What calls my attention in this minigame is that it is internally called "later that night". Later what night? There are plenty of pivotal moments in fnaf that we have no idea how far spread apart they are. The rain and car suggest William getting away after killing Charlie, but it's narratively unsatisfactoy. This is the night after the first/biggest kill and he just drives home and wants to yell at his kid? It can't be. After CC dies? It's even weirder. "He's had a rough day" is completely dismissive of "killing your own brother by acident" and why wouldn't he be around sooner if one of his kids had just died? If this game is about William, it has to be about him killing Suzie, not Charlie.
Conversely, if this is not about William, a good narrative compels that this minigame is about someone we would have heard about. And the only other candidates are either Henry or the family of one of the missing kids. Henry was never shown to be this kind of abusive. So maybe it is about how William lured kids that had troubled families because that would make them easier targets?
Everyone dismisses the springlock suit being the one outside the window because of the rain, but the footsteps wouldn't have lasted in the rain. It probably *just* started raining.
JR's is also a very weird addition. If the orange guy was already driving the wrong way (drunk) to get home, JR's can't be counted on to be a bar. It's also mental gymnastics to justify it as a Freddy's location, because think about it. The place that the kid is running to is oftenly infered to be one of two things: A Freddy's or a Gravesite. Either would be to the right while the kid runs north.
I don't think we ever had all the pieces to figure this one out.
As a side note: I see people constantly taking it for a fact that Michael is the player character in FNAF 4. I don't know that I buy it. "He had to be because he knows Nightmare". Sure but it has always caught my attention that the player in FNAF 4 is SMALL. Like really small. Height of the doorknob small. Climbing down the bed small. All of Michael's traumatic events are supposed to have happened to him after he was already a teenager. Even in a dream, for him to dream, even if just the final 2 nights after CC dies, why would he be dreaming himself as a kid hiding from Fredbear? It's weird even if you think about it being some kind of projection or remorse. He'd rather dream himself being bitten or doing the biting if that was the message.
😮 ive never thought about it being how William lures his victims
Bruh what if dreamed he was short?
Not reading allat
William didn't kill any member of the Emily's in the games. Henry Emily murdered his son because:
"Puppet Minigame" (restaurant is locked for outsiders) > "Midnight Motorist" (the killer's son runs to Freddy's) > "Take cake to the children" (The Midnight Motorist son dies)
Henry knew where his victim was the whole time.
FNAF4 heavily implies that the night sequences are nightmares of either Michael or some other security guard. The bedroom is a childlike mirror of the security office, with a similar fan and toy telephone. Some believe FNAF4 is the punishment Mike subconsciously inflicts on himself for what he did to his brother. The Logbook features a detailed sketch of Nightmare Fredbear, and it's Mike's name on the cover in the same red ink, so that theory seems rational.
Regarding Midnight Motorist, my running theory is that OrangeMan is Mike's stepdad and BiteVictim's bio dad. The grave was BiteVictim's. It totally adds up that Mike would bully his half-brother especially if Mike's stepdad was favoring the little brother. I think the animatronic outside the window was one of the more powerful spirits that can apparently teleport like Golden Freddy or one of the Shadows. I could totally see the stepdad referring to place that Mike's bio dad works as That Place.
I think one of the main reasons the fandom clings to the Afton family explanation despite its many flaws(such as timeline placement the color of Mustard Man the footprints etc) is that without the Aftons its hard to tell what Midnight Motorist is actually trying to say, both Fruity Maze and Security Puppet give very clear showings of how Susie and Charlie died, and the idea that Willaim tried to lure a kid from their own house, while matching a lot of evidence, doesnt explain the focus placed on Mustard Man, why is the fact hes banned from Jrs important? Why is Jrs important(because if its just a normal bar its not even important if it IS William(ignoring the fact that the bar explanation makes no sense since alcoholism has never been mentioned before or since MM)) What would be the significance of the unmarked mound of dirt or "that place"
The mini game is so cryptic BECAUSE of all of these mini mysteries and most of them lose any potential significance if Mustard Man isnt William.
Midnight Motorist almost feels like some of the Security Breach details that end up going nowhere, like the Therapy CDs that really dont mean much for SB's plot.
I believe the reason we see yellow guy being turned away from JRs is to establish that he is drunk, which further shows that he is an abusive father. The child that was lured back to Freddy's clearly hates his family life, so would take any chance he could to escape it. This is further supported by the fact he runs off there often. All this just makes the MCI more tragic
@@Gunthorpe63210 this could work but the idea of why the animatronic is there in the first place is confusing, maybe if you put in some security breach logic and the animatronics have some personal will and a conscious then there's a possibility that it mayyy have made friends with the kid and it's trying to get him out of the house, but i think that would be leaping in too much for such a cryptic minigame. hope scott releases a chapter in the book series in the future where he at least addresses part of this minigame bc its getting too frustrating atp TT
@@reginah5603 well the other 2 minigames are about how William lures and kill the kid this could be the same the animatronic footprints are spring bonnies
@@reginah5603the footprints could have been left by william’s Springbonnie suit
@@Nome140why would william lure in random kids into freddies from random houses in the area?
I like how you presented this theory, and think the video is really well-done, but I think there are some major flaws in the theory. I'm glad that you're looking at it from another angle, as that's something the community needs more of though. I'll start by answering the questions you present at the end directly with what I believe.
1. Why is Orange Guy not purple?
To me, this is actually a really simple answer. Scott has never really made much of an effort to keep character designs consistent, and this goes as far back as FNAF 2, where the character we then knew as Purple Guy had two separate sprites. This was such a big sticking point that there were people theorising that there were two separate murderers - the Pink Guy and the Purple Guy. Sure, at the time of FFPS' release, we knew William as the Purple Guy specifically, but like you said, Scott likes to confuse. Changing the colour I think was the more confusing choice. It's also entirely possible that orange was chosen as it stands out more against the dark backgrounds, thus making it a lot easier to actually see what's going on more clearly. Just a thought.
2.Which of the Aftons are the two other people who live in the Midnight Motorist house?
The two we see/hear about in the mini-game, I believe, are Mrs. Afton and Michael Afton. Mrs. Afton being the one sitting on the chair watching TV, coldly telling William to "go easy" on Michael, and Michael being the one who busts out of his own window and runs away.
3.Where are the other two Aftons?
The Bite Victim is likely dead at this point, and this is where I think a flaw in your theory shows through. Elizabeth Afton is probably in her room, asleep. The house's layout in the mini-game likely isn't meant to be taken 100% literally, and only exist for the practical purposes of telling the story of the mini-game. If it were meant to be a literal layout of the house, where is the kitchen? Why is there only one bedroom? Where are the bathrooms? These are somewhat vital things to a family of 3 or more, even if they're living in a slightly more secluded area.
4. Why was there an animatronic in the backyard?
I don't believe it was an active animatronic. It was more than likely either the sunken footprints of a springlock suit that was frequently utilised in that spot, or was a scarecrow-type construction that William made to terrorise Michael. Either way, the explanation for it being there is quite simply the idea that William thought it a fitting punishment for Michael to be constantly tormented after causing the death of his younger brother.
5. Where did the animatronic go?
If it was a springlock suit, it's likely that it's off somewhere else. Either at Freddy's, in the bushes, or in another place we don't see. If it's a scarecrow-style thing using animatronic parts, it's very likely that Michael busted out, took it, and tossed it off somewhere out-of-sight or destroyed it because it was driving him insane.
6. Why was the window broken instead of just being opened from the inside?
It's very possible that William sealed the window somehow. Whoever you believe Orange Guy is clearly isn't very happy, and doesn't seem to typically treat whoever the Runaway is with much care. The person on the couch asks Orange Guy to go easy on him, since he had a rough day. When he discovers the door is locked, he gets angry and barges outside to find a broken window, human footsteps that he acknowledges with, "Ran off to that place again. He'll be sorry when he gets back." This is a regular occurrence. So it's likely that prior, Runaway had been opening the window to get out. But when William figured this out, he sealed the window shut to keep him from running away.
7. Where's all the glass on the ground?
It's an Atari-style mini-game. Taking every detail (or lack thereof) at face value is a bit ridiculous, at least in my opinion, because of things like the house layout in Midnight Motorist itself, as well as the layout of the house in FNAF 4, and the Fredbear plush's strange locations in that game as well. Orange Guy doesn't mention the mere idea of a break-in, and so I'm going to assume that he knows the window wasn't broken into, because that world is more real for him. The Atari-style mini-games are a mere representation to us.
8. Where is the missing child?
This is THE hardest question to answer properly, but it could be any number of places. It could be JR's, like was mentioned, but it also could be somewhere that William wouldn't want to go back to after having just murdered Charlie, if you assume that Orange Guy is meant to be William. It could also be somewhere we never entirely see, though I wouldn't really say that's the most likely place. People think JR's is a bar, but I think it could also be a different type of place. So I think JR's is a real possibility, even if it's Michael who's run away. That's actually something I had never considered before, and I thank you for pointing out that possibility. Hence why it's good to approach this stuff from different angles.
9. What is the mound of dirt?
I think it's probably the body of the Bite Victim. A sorrowful reminder that William has to drive by every day. One of how his own failings as a parent, his own neglect, caused the death of his child just as much as Michael's recklessness. He won't let himself forget it just as he won't let Michael. Just as sombre as he is wicked.
With that, while I like the approach from a different angle, I believe that there are some major questions that you don't answer that do need answering:
1. Why is Orange Guy driving down the wrong side of the road at blistering speeds in the middle of a rainy night? That level of reckless driving can only come from someone who's incredibly intoxicated, is trying to get away from something, or both in my opinion.
2. If this mini-game isn't about the Aftons, who is it about and why are they important? That's something I really feel like should have been touched on in this video. I like that you presented evidence to it not being the Aftons, but you provided no alternative within the same video.
3. Based on your theory about it being a break-in, why is Orange Guy so dismissive of it? Furthermore, why is Orange Guy convinced that the Runaway broke out of their window and ran off, rather than being concerned that someone broke in and kidnapped them?
4. Why would character colours and designs, something known to be very inconsistent, be of more value than the only two times we ever see a car in this series? We only see a car represented twice in any of the FNAF1-6 mini-games. A purple car in SAVEHIM from FNAF2, and a purple car in Midnight Motorist. I don't believe this to be an Achilles' heel of the theory or anything, but rather, I just feel it's an inconsistent logic to value the thing that appears and subsequently changes more frequently over the thing that very rarely appears and is slightly more consistent. Both are inconsistent, and I think either way they're not the greatest evidence, I was just curious about the logic.
5. Why do we have to see Elizabeth to know she exists in the household? The house is very clearly not representing the actual, literal house in terms of layout. Why can't it just be by design that we don't see her room? We don't see the room of either Orange Guy nor the person on the couch, so where do they sleep?
I know this is quite the beast of a RUclips comment, and I didn't expect it to turn out this way when I started writing it, but I wanted to attempt to thoroughly answer your questions at the end of the video, and pose some of my own for you. Ultimately, I think that looking at this from a wildly different angle is ultimately what's gonna help us as a community solve this thing. So regardless of who is correct, I appreciate the fact that this video was made. Even with the holes I was able to poke in your perspective, I'm sure you can poke plenty in mine as well. This mini-game is just so damn frustrating to figure out!
Sorry if this came off as mean-spirited, angry, or excessively blunt in any way. I did genuinely still enjoy the video, and liked seeing this perspective. Keep up the good work!
Ngl so many of these points are things that were bothering me while watching this video, and I'm very glad you laid them all out here! I did want to answer your question about who other than the Aftons this family is specifically though. This RUclipsr made this video as a follow up to a video where they claimed that Cassidy is the child who went missing in this mini game. In my opinion, that video made a better case for itself than this one did, because it focused more on story elements rather than nitpicky details. I highly recommend watching it because it gives very crucial context to this argument.
Actually it's darker yellow not orange. And yellow is the opposite of purple so to represent William before he went crazy with murders. He killed Charlie while he was drunk, drunk driving car, drunk going back to a bar, drunk yelling at family members for not listing to him. It can very well be his wife house before they got new 2 kids. The Restless and Importal aren't for nothing. The run away is Michael.
I was looking for a comment like this. It's a very nice video but I also felt some parts where nitpicky. Specifically the Elizabeth part.
Good points, but I feel like the house layout thing doesn’t hold a ton of weight when taking into account how the FNaF 4 house is laid out. THAT game felt that Elizabeth’s room was important enough to show there, even though Elizabeth herself never appears. Plus, that house is also lacking a bathroom and kitchen.
So if this really is the Afton’s house, I don’t get not including Elizabeth’s room here, if they did in the FNaF 4 house. Especially considering that Elizabeth is a much mode important character in FNaF 6 than FNaF 4, so not referencing her feels weird. These are just my thoughts tho.
@@cravenpizzadude110 tbf Elizabeth's room wasn't MEANT to be Elizabeth's room when FNAF 4 came out. FNAF 4 was thought to be the end.
Year later,
Bro has been lapped.
This might be the most thorough and enjoyable dissection of Midnight Motorist I've heard yet. Going into depth about the details of FNAF lore while still applying enough common sense to not start sounding like a lunatic is a lost art many (myself included) have lost in the FNAF community.
He doesn’t really apply much common sense tho. He assumes that Elizabeth is out of the picture in the mini game when she could very easily just be in another room that isn’t shown in the minigame. Remember it is just an 8 bit game, she likely wasn’t included because she wasn’t relevant to the story put forward in midnight motorist. There is obviously gonna be more than one bedroom in the house, not to mention a bathroom or a kitchen. The game omits details that aren’t important and in this context, Elizabeth wasn’t and so she isn’t there.
Personally I always assumed the color change of William was for 2 reasons.
1. Multiple purple people.
The context for this game in particular was just after Scott had made the decision to make Micheal a literal walking corpse, a literal purple man. Recall the fnaf world update dialogue of "Dont confuse me for the actual purple guy, I'm just a game sprite."
Micheal is a literal purple man, and William is only purple because it best represents a shadowy figure in an Atari style mini game where having it as a black shadow wouldn't work well visually.
So scott chose to give William his own color here to differentiate between the two so people wouldn't be debating on whether it was William or Michael in this scene. (And of course in true scott fashion, instead caused a debate on whether or not this was an afton at all-)
2. Narrative story telling.
Going back again to why Williams color was purple to begin with. Its because purple is meant to portray shadow, a figure unknown lurking from the dark.
Every time weve seen the purple sprute used to represent William in these games, it's through the eyes of characters who only really know him as the shadow figure.
(Foxy gogogo is from foxys POV.
Save him and save them is from Freddy's pov.
Every single fnaf three cutscene featuring the Purple guy is from the pov from one of the victims.
And fnaf 4 being from the pov of the crying child [I know that doesn't make sense since that should be his son, but there is the line of "what is scene in shadows is misunderstood in the mind of a child." So its possible CC just didn't recognize his dad since he was, again, covered in shadow.])
Purple is used to convay mystery and unknown that purple guy was to his victims.
But Midnight Motorist (assuming for a second this is true) is from Aftons pov. Thus there is no shadow. There is no mystery. We know William, and William knows himself. Just a drunken father stumbling home.
Why the choice of orange then? Well, is argue the color chosen is actually closer to gold. The color of Spring bonnie, the suit he would go on to use to commit all his murders.
So id say its a clever narrative tie to show us that he's not a mysterious figure anymore. We know who this guy is and what he becomes, and the game is showing us that he's already too far gone now.
So that's what I'd argue for why he isnt his usual color. But we don't need him to be purple for us to say its William. Theres a ton of evidence that points to it being such.
For one, his car is purple, matching the color of the car that drove by and killed charlie outside.
That and the minigame in the files is titled "later that night" implying this happens directly after something else. And the only thing we know for sure happened being chalries murder, where tire tracks can be seen by her body.
We can say that Micheal is the runaway since its not in character for the crying child to go as far as to break a window.
Micheal on the other hand, yeah I wouldn't put it passed him.
As to where is Elizabeth. Well, she could just be there.
Minigames dont always give us direct literally showings of reality. Only the necessary bits.
The house we're shown only has a living room that leads to a hall with a single bedroom. No other bedrooms, no kitchen, no bathroom, no anything.
Its silly to assume that what we're shown is a literal 1-1 with the actual house. So we can say Elizabeth is simply asleep in her bedroom and thus not shown to us. Remember this is through Williams pov.
He's completely focused on Micheal at the moment, likely still angry over the death of CC, so it makes sense that from his pov, at the moment, Michaels room is the only one that exists for him.
Hope that clears some things up though.
This wasn't made to tear down the video, just to give my own thoughts.
Also, artistically isn't the color purple tied to the idea of death in our story? If I understand the timeline, William hasn't murdered anyone as of this minigame, so he's colored as a 'regular guy'.
@@masonrockwood7732 well a lot of people think the "later that night" (the game's name in files) is referring to the night charlie is killed since it is also raining then.
@@annabelle2523 And it's the same car under that rain too
@@masonrockwood7732 Theoretically, this minigame takes place a meer hour or so after what most (myself included) believe to be Williams first murder.
So not sure if this artistic view theory works out of "Purple = death" but I'd definitely like to do some more thinking about it!
@@JDH109 I was unaware of the 'later that night' info. This is the first minigame from William's perspective, so he's framed as a person instead of a shadowy monster. That's what I think at least.
Midnight Motorist is the single most confusing minigame in the entire series. I have never found an interpretation that completely satisfied me. If there was one thing in the series I could get a clear, elaborated answer on exactly what was supposed to be happening, it would be this minigame. I agree with the multitude of questions that need to be answered in order to make Orange Guy being Afton and company make sense. (Realistically, most people say it's Afton because there's so few adult characters it could be. Who else could it be, Henry? Phone guy? doesn't suit either of their personalities.) However, there is one question that is actually very easy to answer.
If the person in the chair was a babysitter, then there was no vehicle/bike or anything because someone else dropped them off.
Dunno about anywhere else, but in the rural US that's just a thing. Teens/young adults who don't drive will be dropped off at friends' houses to watch the younger kids so the adults can go out and do things. The teen either spends the night or gets picked up and taken home when the adults get back (depends on how close the families are). Dunno how common it is nowadays, but it likely would have been common during Scott's childhood as it was during mine, and I'm younger than him.
I don't think the person in the chair is a babysitter--but it's a really easy question to answer with a plausible explanation if you wanted to argue that. Particularly if you're not trying to imply that said 'babysitter' is an important character themself. Which would almost be weirder, why introduce a babysitter who never appears or is mentioned ever again?
I also think the lack of glass is easy to answer with "because Scott didn't feel like trying to draw it in a pixel format." Perhaps he felt that a random assortment of specks/triangles on the ground would be easy to misinterpret, and/or believed that the shattered window was sufficient to get his point across of the window being broken. This absence of details that are considered irrelevant would also work for a babysitter interpretation as well, with no vehicle being shown because 'how they got there' wasn't considered important. The minigames are pixelated, and very simplistically at that. Details that appear are SUPER IMPORTANT, like the very prominent animatronic footprint, but details that aren't there likely aren't there because they were deemed unnecessary UNLESS it's specifically pointed out to be absent (like the kid not being in his room.)
I feel like this minigame was supposed to explain SOMETHING, but it was so obtuse that no one figured it out.
>This absence of details that are considered irrelevant would also work for a babysitter interpretation as well
This is also why a home has *two* rooms, with nothing that you'd really need in a Home, too, the other rooms are irrelevant :V
>The teen either spends the night or gets picked up and taken home when the adults get back (depends on how close the families are).
There's also the idea of, if Michael's the Runaway, and Henry is at William's house...
They're coworkers, they go to the same place. It's not too unlikely William simply picked up Henry and dropped him off.
Also assuming they *dont* share the same car, too, which honestly could be possible.
The more i think and watch about midnight motorists the more i think scott just made up random details that contradict themselves and add up to nothing just to confuse us and that maybe we should disregard this entire thing altogether
Also if the window was broken from the outside how? There’s no footprints going up to the window only ones going out and away
If this dude is going to agrue Willam broke it what did he throw a brick threw the window and then leap in there fnaf 2 style kill the kid and then come out of the room with no traces of blood from ether himself or the corpse somehow?
I find it most likely that Henry Emily was the monster/killer and William Afton was there to take Sammy Emily to Freddys. William could walk to Henry's house from Freddys and Sammy could walk to Freddys from Henry's house.
The reason why we found a rabbit hole in Midnight Motorist is because William Afton is the one hiding underneath it (as revealed in Fruity Maze). He hid there because he could not get his spirnglock suit wet. Because he had to cover himself up during the rainstorm, Sammy Emily had no way to get inside of Freddys.
Thus meaning, "Midnight Motorist" is the prequel of "Take Cake to the Children" and the boy that died in the minigame is Charlie's brother. AKA, the fake "William Afton" we haved followed throughout the fnaf series, Springtrap/Burntrap/ShadowBonnie. The real reason why Sammy "always comes back" is because his sister always brings him back to life. Killing Sammy Emily is pointless if his sister remains active.
@@justice8718 Oh, this guy again.
>The reason why we found a rabbit hole in Midnight Motorist is because William Afton is the one hiding underneath it (as revealed in Fruity Maze).
Holy shit William Moleman Afton (real)
Literally just melts into the surface when things get moist (Florida is his Prison, let him sleep with the Big Water Doggies)
In regards to #3 about Orange Guy being William, the intro cutscenes of Pizzaeria Simulator depicts a man who resembles what could be William who wears a purple suit, what looks like a security guard's uniform (an old school one at that), and an orange suit.
And that thing about William now being orange so his depiction here wouldn't be too confusing: we like a good challenge when it comes to solving the lore, yes. But, at times, the way that it's told can be very frustratingly vague and convoluted (remember FNAF 4?). The fanbase was practically on fire when Michael resurrected as a literal "Purple Guy" as that made the story a needlessly convoluted mess in the eyes of many when the identity of Purple Guy was already set in stone.
It really confused the fanbase as to who of the Afton men was *the* "Purple Guy" who murdered the kids and/or who possessed Springtrap in FNAF 3. Miketrap vs. Willtrap was the debate IIRC. Apparently, it got so bad that many people left the fanbase because of it. And Scott took notice and decided to do another game to hopefully clear up any confusion in the previous game (as he did in SL in regards to the Bite of '83 of FNAF 4. And FNAF 4's lore is *still* contentious to this very day).
Sadly scott made the worst thing to made the fnaf 6 lore more confusing , made a "canon" retcon to springtrap design just to make the fandom believe that it has a explanation for his design change
The lore of ALL FNAF is confusing as hell and gets retconned with every ""final"" new instalment.
Do I enjoy the story? Yes.
Do I enjoy the way the story was told? Hell no. Nobody on a regular playthrough of all games could figure out even 10% of FNAF lore.
The simple explanation as to why there’s no glass on the ground is that Scott simply thought a broken window was more than enough detail to show what happened in the scenario. It’s an 8-bit mini game after all. Whether the person broke out or something broke in doesn’t really matter unless you know the rest of the situation. He would want to give enough info for theories but not enough info to confirm them.
21:30 Wouldn’t it be more confusing to make William orange instead of purple? If he was purple in the mini game, the fans could get confused on wether it’s Michael or William, but that still narrows it down to only two suspects. If Scot made William orange, it opens up a whole possibility of who the orange man could possibly be. If he was purple, it’s really only between two people, but since we’ve never seen an orange man before this…it could be anyone. Making him purple would be easier to understand than making him orange, so I agree that this point doesn’t make sense
I think the entire point of Midnight Motorist was to act as a vague epilogue to the death of Charlotte. Because as you said in the video, the community loves a mystery and Scott is more than happy to provide them. We saw this with FNaF2 when the community debated whether the game took place following the conclusion of FNaF1 or preceding it. William not being portrayed as purple can be ruled as perfectly logical as the entire purpose of this minigame was to be as vague as possible.
The Orange Guy's car being purple is more than enough to infer that the character we are playing as is William. He is the only character to my knowledge to ever be associated with a car, let alone a purple one. The rest of the cars being depicted as purple in the main Midnight Motorist minigame is totally irrelevant. As soon as you take the secret exit hidden in the minigame (thus removing you from the minigame itself and its established context) you are transported to a much more detailed environment with entirely different conditions. For instance, we see additional cars parked outside of JR's. None of them are purple. This is entirely deliberate.
This logic can be applied to every other confusing instance in the minigame. The building the Orange Guy travels to provides no insights into its nature. It is literally only named "JR's." Junior? To whom? Or in this context, to what? Was there an establishment that predates the one visited by the Orange Guy? If so, where is it? Is it even still in operation? If not, what happened to it? And why isn't the Orange Guy allowed to inside? These questions are important as this is an obvious red herring and reference to the FNaF2 and the missing children incident. The Purple Guy was not allowed on the premises due to the ongoing investigation. Unless we are to conclude that this was entirely coincidental, it is more than safe to assume that this is a deliberate parallel between the Orange Guy and the Purple Guy.
The setting itself is equally as important. The Security Puppet minigame as well as the Midnight Motorist minigame take place during the night in the midst of some sort of rainstorm. Those elements of the setting were placed there specifically for the observer to create a connection between the two events. After all, Midnight Motorist happened "later that night."
Even the very name of the minigame ("Later That Night") should raise major red flags. Scott is not referring to some random night. He is referencing "that" night. It implies that we have already seen the events he is referring to. If Scott was not referring to an event we have already witnessed, wouldn't he have named the minigame something else? Such as "Midnight Motorist?" So, which night could he be referring to? Well, what other night do we see depicted in FFPS? The night Charlotte is killed. While I do agree that Scott most likely added tire tracks to make the connection between the "Save Him" victim and Charlotte, I also think it was placed there deliberately to act as a cliffhanger. Almost as if it say "to be concluded..."
Making William not purple is a strange and unusual choice. If this is William, why isn’t he purple? In every other minigame William is purple, so why is this one different?
In the main MM minigame, the car is pink. Every other car is purple, but the one we drive is pink. In the “Later that Night” part, the brighter part of the car is more blue than purple, but definitely has a bit of purple it there. While the bottom part is either a desaturated pink or purple or somewhere in between. The car can be read as purple, but it might not be. And as far as I’m aware, William is the only person we have previously seen with a car.
Anyway, the more important part. If JR’s is supposed to reference the FNaF 2 investigation. Then, no one was allowed in or out of the building; that didn’t just apply to William, it applied to everyone. Also, what investigation is happening at JR’s? If we are playing as William and “Later That Night” refers to Charlie’s death. Then this can’t be where Charlie died as we don’t drive home from JR’s. So, what investigation is happening? Someone else died at JR’s and an investigation is going on, so Orange Guy can’t be let in; and that only exists as a reference to FNaF 2? That doesn’t make any sense.
@@Ishoulddeletethis William being Yellow/orange could be a reference to the Fredbear plush in Fnaf 4. Because of Sister Location we know that most likely he was the one who talked to the Crying Child through the plush and since both of them are sort of yellow, it's a clear parallel.
Btw pink and purple are basically the same in this franchise. In Fnaf 2, in one of the minigames William is pink, but he is still the same person
@@marcellmolnar8205 If thats the case then why is this minigame specifically referencing the Fredbear plush? There is no answer you can give that would actually answer: “Why is he orange?” It doesn’t make any sense for him deviate from purple in this specific minigame.
I do understand what you’re saying about the pink and purple thing. However, it is a design choice, so I thought to point it out.
@@Ishoulddeletethis Probably to not make it so obvious, I'm guessing, And also, the uniforms for Freddy's staff are purple, so he probably took it off because the blood would have been noticeable.
@@Oneandonly-xg6iu Ok, but what is the problem with it being obvious? What motive is there for not making him purple? Also, where is it said/shown that the uniforms are purple?
Your comment on Mrs. Afton and the custody case gave a me an idea too;
It could be possible that at some point, Mrs. Afton decides "Nope, I'm just gonna leave William" maybe due to the MCI or some other factor, and William wins the custody battle, which explains why there is no mother around to be with Elizabeth. Just a hypothesis.
I’m happy someone is actually breaking down how most people’s ideas of Midnight Motorist aren’t right, it just goes to show how much this community considers the general consensus as gospel rather than really thinking about the implications. It’s a problem I’ve had with Matpat’s fanbase for a while, so it’s nice to see so many newer theorists in the scene start to set things straight.
EDIT: I’m realizing in the replies to this comment that I may have come off a bit harshly towards Matpat. I don’t hold any grudges against him and I think he’s a solid theorist, even if I tend to disagree with a lot of what he says.
ANOTHER EDIT: Thinking more about this, and talking with other commentors made me realize the whole “not taking the minigames at face value” idea kinda kills this theory. I mean, Circus Baby wasn’t *literally* running through a field throwing cupcakes at children. So that logic can be applied to other games too, and it makes sense to me at this point that Elizabeth could just be somewhere else in the house that we can’t see.
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its hard not to take stuff as gospel when we confirm so much of the timeline, its nice to see someone try and think something new every once and a while
Could you elaborate on what other things matpat takes for gospel that you disagree with? I like hearing counterpoints to theories
It's more MatPat's fans' problem that they take his word. Not really a MatPat issue. After all, he starts and ends every video stating that it's just HIS theory.
@@blackwhitestudios5953 The one everyone brings up is Gregbot, which he mostly believes because of the CRT-style lines that go over his vision whenever Vanny’s around, and the whole Afton family connection thing where Vanessa = Elizabeth, Freddy = Michael, etc. I’ve not seen his newest Ruin theory yet, so maybe he changed his mind about the idea. But I feel like there’s so much evidence against it at this point that there’s no reason to believe it anymore. GGY clearly shows us that Gregory has an actual life and parents and stuff, and never at any point in ANYTHING, be it the Tales books, Ruin, or anything else in base-game Security Breach, is Gregory even slightly hinted at being a robot. The CRT-lines is most likely just a stylistic choice in the same vain as Moon with the stars, while I feel like the Afton family connections at this point don’t really impact anything in Ruin, implying they may not have really meant anything at all.
If I missed any evidence for or against Gregbot, someone feel free to correct me.
Really loving the point you made about orange guy not just being able to go get him "from that place" and thus connecting it to juniors since he's unable to go there. Also I think making the player orange in this minigame could have been done entirely to stir up more debate. If the character was purple the community would immediately know it was either Michael or William. By making him a different color it adds more confusion to the situation, which as you stated is what the fans love. I believe in a previous video you mentioned the link between the color of orange and Cassidy which I still find compelling and one of the most fascinating points made about Midnight Motorist. That and the course of action the missing "he" would have had to take in order to break the window to sneak off to that place again without having any glass on the ground outside. Excited to see what the Ruin video has in store!
it's hard for me to imagine that "later that night" could mean something other than it being the same night Charlie was murdered and that this is Afton coming home afterward. it's raining, it's a purple car like William's, and the title being "later that night" heavily implies midnight motorist being the events that happen after William kills Charlie. at the same time, you really have me stumped as to what combination of characters involved would work. i can only imagine it being the Aftons residence but at the same time seems impossible given what you've presented. i will also note that the house in the fnaf 4 minigames and the house here in midnight motorist seem to be in different locations, the former in a neighborhood and the latter in the forest, so unless the Afton family moved in some short period of time then either the Aftons residence's location is inconsistent or as you said it's not the same family. my other thought is that if it ISN'T the Aftons, then who is this family and why is this minigames presented as something important? why show some random family and give practically no more context? honestly i just think the whole minigame itself may be inconsistent, not just the family in it
New idea:
Due to Ruin’s Candy Cadet story, Midnight Motorist might literally just be the aftermath of the story
RUIN's candy cadet story specifically calls out a mother and a little boy who live alone in the woods, Midnight Motorist shows a family of three.
@@Cryonide the candy cadet stories are famously symbolic. If the gender is changed, the core idea or story can still apply
I think he more means the numbers.
@isaacswoyer9820 this isn't applicable to the candy cadet story in ruin because he says a mom and a son. no other children are mentioned in the story. yes gender is interchangeable in fnaf but the story just doesn't align with midnight motorist.
The Candy Cadet story is paralleling the Mimic, it's irrelevant to Midnight Motorist.
3:30 Ah toxic peer pressure at its finest. Don't give in!
There's a big problem with dream Theory
That being
Scott was already thinking about the color pallet of Sister Location during the making of FNaF 2.
Dream Theory was never canon.
Hot take: William could still be IN Midnight Motorist, just not as Orange Guy. What if the animatronic footprints outside the bedroom and the broken glass come from the same thing: William breaking in and kidnapping someone in his good old Spring Bonnie suit? If Orange Guy knows William (say, if it’s Henry and he knows some of what’s been going on at this point), then the line “he ran off to that place again. He’ll be sorry when he gets back” could take on new meaning, as it’s referring to William messing with Henry’s family and the “he’ll be sorry” is Henry seeing this as the last straw and deciding to confront William directly
>William breaking in and kidnapping someone in his good old Spring Bonnie suit?
One. Where the hell did William kill a kid by abducting them from their home??
There's not a SINGLE victim that fits this.
Two. It's raining, this is practically *suicidal* for a Springlock suit.
Three. So nobody raised a question when someone walked off with one of their expensive mascot costumes, and came back far muddier and soggier with a screaming kicking child, before dragging them to the saferoom or something?
@@higueraft571he would have lured the child away, but probably still would have had to break the window. This would actually explain the lack of glass on the ground because the window would have broken inward. He also either A) might have used a cloth mascot suit instead of a spring lock suit, or B) this happened earlier when it wasn’t raining. That said, I think it’s a stretch to say that it would be Henry, because that begs the question of who is the kidnapping victim? As far as we know, no version of Sammy is an Afton victim, and it’s debatable if he exists in the games at all. My guess would be that this is the family of the second MCI victim, since one of the newspapers suggests that there were two at first and later three more. Also consider that the Chica’s High School days scenes give clues to how William lured each victim, and one of them involves going to their house.
@@c.r.blankenship9040 >he would have lured the child away, but probably still would have had to break the window.
This still doesnt really scream "i am a friend", it typically means "i'm a kidnapper" :V
>My guess would be that this is the family of the second MCI victim, since one of the newspapers suggests that there were two at first and later three more.
"Two local children were reportedly lured into a back room during the late hours of operation at Freddy Fazbear’s Pizza on the night of June 26th."
"Five children are now linked to the incident at Freddy Fazbear’s Pizza, where a man dressed as a cartoon mascot lured then into a back room."
There's also kind of just the common sense aspect to consider:
What makes more sense? That he lured 5 kids within the location into the back rooms during opening hours, with two immediately identified and 3 noticed after review/when parents reported their disappearances around the same time? (or generally, two parents reported to the police immediately, while three were delayed)
That he walked out into the night, AWAY from the vulnerable children, towards some random house, convinced a kid to follow him, smashed their window (instead of opening it), then led them BACK to the pizza place, straight into the back room to kill them?
It doesnt really make sense to go for a target SO far away and potentially bust his own ass (by walking out of the place as conspicuously as possible, with one of their mascots, not to mention getting mud/dirt and debris all over it), just to get 3 kids when there's a billion RIGHT next to him.
>Also consider that the Chica’s High School days scenes give clues to how William lured each victim, and one of them involves going to their house.
Please god stop using this as direct evidence.
When you look at that in this context, it falls apart *completely.*
First, the Characters:
- Chica is hardly related to William at all, aside from MAYBE being Yellow.
- The Victims dont match, even if we count Charlie (which, again, if this is the MCI, doesnt work). Like, why is it *Pigpatch* of all people? Why The Wolf? Funtime Foxy? There's like 3 separate "could be foxy"s in there for seemingly no reason.
- The order doesnt match in the slightest. If we considered this...
Gabriel (Freddy) dies first, then whoever the fuck The Wolf is supposed to be (i guess Suzie??), then Jeremy (Bonnie), then Fritz (Foxy) maybe (unless that's 2nd), then Charlie (despite likely happening prior to the MCI, possibly by a while), then i GUESS Cassidy (GFreddy) (despite nothing lining up aside from being a free slot/most brutal?)
- The methods to kill. Why would William Afton need to do Homework. What about the fire thing? The Hostages?
I'll also add, the specific victim you're talking about *isnt even an MCI victim,* theoretically.
It'd be Charlie.
"Look at those strings, those long beautiful strings! He'll be mine by the end of the day, I just know it. I told him to come over later. That should be enough. And if he doesn't show up, I'll just go to his house! And if he doesn't open the door, I'll just find a window! Chimney's always a option. Or, I could set the house on fire, and wait for him to run out! Then he could run into MY arms!"
When you look at it critically, the *only* thing that lines up is that one of them has a dead dog who was ran over (although one HAD a dead dog, and the other was told it), and that they're being killed.
On the other hand... it completely throws all orders of deaths into chaos, and it even contradicts ALL the other theories of "who was first". The Help Wanted 2 Tombstones? Different order (even if i dont believe that at all). Chica's line in UCN? She wasnt the first, unless you count the killer as "first", at best she's second (which IS closer to the "Charlie was first, but Suzie was the first MCI" theory, but still not there). Charlie being first? Doesnt work, she's practically last besides what might be gfreddy.
Generally, the theory i like most about it is "this isnt any specific incident, but it's closer to how Afton's mind works"? It gives SOME sort of explainable reason for it to exist, fits closer to what we know (scheming, misleading), and doesnt pull completely contradictory info compared to the rest of the game :V
As for there not being glass on the ground? Why would there need to be? The window was shattered, a child walked/ran away (again), and there was an animatronic that was standing there infront of some bushes.
Actually, this raises another point:
Why would the supposed MCI parent be so casual? There's animatronic footprints, and the window is shattered. He knows where the kid is going ("that place") and makes it clear it's a reoccurring issue,, and that he'll make sure the suffer for doing it this time.
If we were to pay attention to details (or the lack of, like the broken glass), why would "William" have absolutely 0 footsteps aside from the two just standing there? He isnt walking with the kid to lead him, only two prints standing at the window. Does William have teleportation powers or such? Why dont we see him walk away?
Generally, this theory has a bunch of holes, even compared to a good few other options, and it even contradicts the pre-established lore to a degree...
19:29 I have a theory about MM that no one's really been able to poke any serious holes in as of yet, and I've been sharing it around YT in hopes it can make it deeper into the theorist community. I'll try and answer all those questions you're asking and you can decide if it fits.
To preface, I think where people go wrong with MM is assuming that this is William's house. I do believe orange guy is William, but I'd argue that the house is Henry's. The kid running off is Michael, with the animatronic being Golden Freddy. I'll elaborate through answering the questions.
--How Mike escaped: The window was already broken (hence no glass; it's been cleaned up), or it was broken from the outside.
--How Mike got past/got rid of the animatronic: He didn't need to. Golden Freddy wasn't there to attack him (when has GF ever actually been aggressive towards Mike? He literally just shows up and says "it's me"). GF is there to warn Mike that William is almost home, so that Mike can run off to JR's.
--Where the animatronic went: GF can teleport wherever he wants. That's part of why it's got to be him; there's only a single pair of pawprints in the spot where he showed up. He's likely with Mike, or went back to.... the mound. Yeah we're getting there.
--Why Mike broke out: Either William broke the window in a drunken rage, or Mike broke the window in a previous escape because it was his only option (William is just as scary to Mike as an animatronic). Some windows are locked with a key, and if that's the case for that window, Mike wouldn't be able to just open it. Heck, maybe the lack of glass is to imply that it was broken from the outside by GF to help him escape.
--What the mound of dirt is: It's where Henry buried the Fredbear suit (aka Golden Freddy). He feels ashamed after one of his inventions kills his business partner's kid, and so he buries the suit to forget about it.
--Who's in the chair: Henry. It's his house. William and Mike are staying for a few days while they find an apartment (even if you have money, that takes time). They've left the Afton house because William and Mrs. Afton are getting divorced. Henry lets them stay with him because he feels kind of obligated to since he was part of the cause of the Crying Child's death and the subsequent deterioration of the Afton marriage.
--Where the rest of the Afton family is: Crying Child is dead, Elizabeth and Mrs. Afton are still at the Afton house. Custody battle hasn't started yet but Mrs. Afton blames both Mike and William for the Crying Child's death so she makes William take Mike with him.
--Why animatronic outside: Crying Child wakes up as GF in the mound. Starts wandering around. One day, he runs into Mike, who has just moved into the house and is trying to run off to JR's to escape William. Or GF finds the house and starts lurking outside Mike's window. Or Mike visits the mound since it's the closest thing to a grave for his brother that he can visit. Whatever you like. GF remembers Mike's last words to him, about how he was sorry. He misses having a family and wants to have a better relationship with Mike. Mike is scared of GF at first but once he realizes it's his brother he starts spending lots of time with him. GF sees how Mike is suffering at the hands of William (or Mike tells him) and so GF starts coming to the window whenever William is almost home so that Mike knows when to leave.
Oh, and about the lack of another car. Well, Charlie is at Freddy's, and someone had to drive her there. She probably has a mother? Or it's that brother of hers from the books that drove it? Or Henry prefers public transportation lol. Whatever the way she got there, if she was at Freddy's w/o her dad, it would've been because Henry is trying to protect Mike while also keeping Charlie out of the house and away from violent William.
(And by the way, In the illustrated opening and endings of Pizza Sim, a character in a purple suit with accents of orange is depicted. That's probably meant to connect William to orange guy as being the same person.)
Anyways, that's pretty much everything, so if you have any questions, I'll do my best to answer them. I hope this was a brain teaser, at the very least.
@@timonelfert 1) When your window breaks, you hire someone to come replace it with a new one. It can take a couple days since first they have to visit your house and take measurements, as well as give you a pricetag.
2) GF is also haunted by the Crying Child, not just Cassidy. That's why GF says "It's me" to Mike, because CC is also haunting it. Cassidy doesn't need to be there for GF to do stuff.
3) The FNAF 4 house presented in the minigames and in the nights isn't the one on the menu. The map of SL shows that all of FNAF 4 takes place underground, and Dittophobia confirms it (but I don't like to talk about the books so I digress).
4) GF could've broken the window, or Mike could've. It doesn't have to be GF who broke it. This is mentioned in my original comment.
5) GF is still a real suit, he can just teleport around. He doesn't float or anything. When he teleports to outside the window, he leaves a single set of footprints on the ground.
6) It's normal in many places for windows to have locks. Henry just bought a house that happens to have locked windows. This especially makes sense for a house in the middle of the woods, it's a good safety feature.
7) Why Henry would bury the suit and why Mike would visited are both explained in my original comment.
8) The whole reason for it not being William's house is so that Henry can be the person in the chair, because it makes far more sense for Henry to care about Mike's wellbeing than Mrs. Afton, who probably hates Mike for killing CC, if she even exists. And of course, Henry wouldn't bury CC on his property. In fact, would William bury CC on his property? Surely he'd want his child buried in a nice cemetery.
9) If not JR's or Fredbear's, Mike could've well run off to the mound (he's just not arrived yet when William visits it).
10) When GF speaks through Nightmare Fredbear in UCN, there are three voices. A girl, a boy, and a man. Girl is Cassidy, boy is CC, and the man is probably Phone Guy since in FNAF one when he dies we hear a GF jumpscare sound at the end of the final recording. Easydub they're all in there. Also the logbook has Cassidy and CC and Mike all talking in it.
11) When it comes to the wife, I assume you mean Henry's wife not William's here. But yeah Henry has like a dead wife in the books I think? But he doesn't have to have a wife, pretty much anyone like a friend of Charlie could've picked her up and taken her to the party. Are you trying to say Vlad and Clara are Henry and his wife though? Because it's definitely William and a woman. In fact, recently someone pointed out that Clara is referred to as Vlad's "mistress" (affair partner) and this might be a hint that he had an affair baby with someone. And the affair baby would likely be Cassidy since that would give her more of a reason to be TOYSNHK. In fact that means she could've been killed and stuffed BEFORE CC even died, to hide the evidence he cheated because William would do that. And then you have no trouble with GF not being at all possessed yet.
12) 5th MCI victim is still Cassidy.
13) Fredbear's makes more sense for Charlie's death, you're right. But I wasn't really concerned about the specific location where she died when I wrote this post, I just said Freddy's because it happened somewhere with a bear animatronic IDK.
14) Dittophobia moment. THE WHOLE AREA IS AN UNDERGROUND RECREATION 🤪 FNAF 4 is literally just Mike dreaming the jumbled-up memories of CC and whoever William was torturing in the bunker, whether it be Mike or someone else. Somebody pretty prominent made a video on it so if you're curious I'd go looking at people's Dittophobia videos.
15) Doesn't matter if MatPat got almost everything right. Scott changes things that aren't explicitly canon plenty. Ain't no way the Mimic for example was planned from the start.
16) FFPS is the box?? I need more of an explanation on that one. Oh and BTW the other locations shown on the FFPS map are places like the Plushtrap room.
@@timonelfert I'm reading your response and realizing the trouble here is that you're talking about what might've been canon a while back and I'm talking about the state of canon today, with the newer books being very closely tied to it. The books aren't 1:1 but most people agree they give you pieces of the lore due to stuff like the Mimic being explained in the books. Some even believe the newer books are 100% canon (which I think is crazy but I digress).
Dittophobia is really hard to explain (just watch a video on it) but basically it's the whole story of FNAF 4 put into context. In it a boy is being terrorized by night terrors only to find out it was all an experiment in an underground area connected to the SL bunker. The kid was hallucinating due to gas leaks (sound familiar?) and it's possible he was the person found dead in the vents in Sister Location the game??? It's actually insane.
Multiple people possessing the same animatronic is also seen in the books during the Stitchwraith series, which may possibly parallel the story of GF but who knows 🤪
The FNAF Security Logbook is a puzzle book that's probably just straight canon. It's Mike's security logbook and in it he communicates with CC and Cassidy (you can figure out through the puzzles their conversations).
Honestly you and I are basically arguing about different versions of canon, the version that existed at the end of FNAF6 and the version that exists now, so there's no point.
(Also I was talking about the screen in Funtime Freddy's room, my bad lol! Two very different things :P)
Ok so here's what i think:
-Orange Guy is William
- Person in the chair is Michael
-Elizabeth is dead
- Mount of dirt could be Elizabeth or Mrs Afton if she killed herself after the court case
- Runaway is the Crying Child
-The foot print is an animatronic made by William to scare him to protect him after Elizabeth died
- We dont have enough information about 'that place' although I like your theory about it being Jrs
- I have no idea why there isnt glass on the floor, maybe the animatronic broke the window?
-The "Dont you remember what you saw" could be refering to Elizabeth's death (maybe the crying child saw it) and not to the runaway
Idk if i forgot anything, feel free to comment
>Person in the chair is Michael
Doesnt fit his behavior or color, he's more often associated with Purple after the Bite, and even before... many MANY characters use Grey, including Charlie in that same game.
>Mount of dirt could be Elizabeth or Mrs Afton if she killed herself after the court case
Too early for Elizabeth, and Mrs Afton almost certainly never had that court case.
>Runaway is the Crying Child
Again, most CERTAINLY doesnt fit his behavior, and why would he be running away repeatedly?
>I have no idea why there isnt glass on the floor, maybe the animatronic broke the window?
Likely because the broken window gives enough of an idea, without adding in piles of extra effort, much like how the house has only 2 rooms, but we KNOW it has more than 2 for a fact.
>The "Dont you remember what you saw" could be refering to Elizabeth's death (maybe the crying child saw it) and not to the runaway
"What is seen in shadows is easily misunderstood in the mind of a child." implies there was a misunderstanding. Seeing one thing and thinking another.
Like, say... a man being put in a Springlock, and thinking he's being EATEN by the Springlock. Why do you think Michael specifically focused on shoving his brother's head *in* Fredbear's mouth? A lot of hints towards them "eating" him?
Seeing a corpse or a murder doesnt leave much room for misunderstanding what's going on, especially when it still scares the everloving shit out of him...
The only answer that I think I may be able to answer is the mound of dirt... In The Twisted Ones novel, the animatronics literally buried themselves during the day. What's to say they didn't do the same when they noticed that it was about to rain? I'll leave with that thought...
That actually seems like the answer. It makes perfect sense why there are no more marks and just a pile of dirt. He should see this
I never thought of that, u got a good memory.
@@Deadman7600.I just re-read the original books recently actually lol
@@thegodzachieveThank you, and I hope he does see this. Hopefully, it will help in solving this confusing minigame
It might not have been raining when the mascot took the kid. This is "later that night"
Since you are basically giving me the challenge, I will try to basically provide the reasons to some of the questions.
Firstly, lets make a very bold assumption. The MCI takes place in 1983. This contradicts two things. The tales books, and Henry’s words in fnaf 6. However, it is possible for both of these to be explained away. The tales books are pretty clearly in a separate continuity and the ball bit time travel thing isn’t even real its an illusion by Eleanor. As for henry, its weird, but there are a few explanations for it, i.e, susie, jeremy, gabriel, fritz, cassidy being his kid, henry being a self centered douchbag, etc. I have a whole reddit post about this, but besides these two pieces of evidence, there is an abundance of evidence for the MCI to take place in 1983, which I won’t go into right now. Ok, lets go with the assumption MCI83 for now. In that case, everything else is explained.
The animatronic outside? A dummy put up to scare his kids. Why would william want to scare his kids? He wants to keep them away from his killing ground.
Where did the runaway go? Jr’s, the location where he’s been banned by henry. Who’s in the chair? It could honestly be either micheal or Ms afton in this interpretation.
i like to imagine these videos as meister just lecturing all the floormasters
None of them can keep up with it
Especially Ranger
@@Cryonide Pink Hinako isn't even in the conversation but she's contributing heavily
so the "midnight motor" is aftons car.
womp womp.
Well with the last book... CONGRATULATIONS YOU WERE RIGHT ITS NOT THE AFTONS
MM confirms that it's the Aftons. Take a closer look at the route that the orange guy takes to get home from JR's. Take a real close and tell me if it looks familiar.
Alright, I’ll have a go at the questions, I think I’ve come up with good explanations.
1. Why is the Orange Guy not Purple, assuming it’s William Afton?
I think this is to represent that William is drunk right now, and that he got drunk at JR’s, proceeded to get kicked out, went and killed Charlie, and drove back to his house.
2. Who are the 2 people in the house?
I believe that the missing child is in fact Michael Afton, as I think (as I’ll explain later) that both other kids are already dead by this point. As for the person sitting in the chair, I believe that to be a teenage babysitter WITHOUT A CAR.
3. If the person sitting in the chair is a Babysitter, how did they get there?
The reason I specify a teenage babysitter without a car, is for this question, as I don’t think it unreasonable that A: a babysitter would a 17 to 19 year old, and B: a late teenager babysitter’s parent would drop them off if they don’t have a car, thus solving as to why there is no car parked outside the house.
4. Where are the other 3 Aftons in that scenario?
I believe that, by this point, both Elizabeth and the Crying Child are dead, as I’ll explain later, and also that this is after the Afton Divorce, meaning Mrs. Afton is staying in her own house, or more likely a relative’s house.
5. Why is there an Animatronic in the Backyard?
I hadn’t really thought about it until you gave the suggestion that it was a Scarecrow, which, to me, makes sense. In this case, William knows Michael killed CC (Crying Child), and hates him for it. So, he constructs a crude fake of Fredbear and puts it outside Michael’s window before leaving for the night, in order to torment him.
6. Where did the Animatronic go?
Until Michael had got outside, he had forgot entirely about the Scarecrow (I’ll (once again) explain why later), and then realised it was there and a fake, and so trashed it and threw it into the bushes.
7. Why was the window broken instead of opened?
I think that it had been locked by William earlier in the day, in order to prevent Michael from having a proper look at the Scarecrow Animatronic. As to why Michael would want to escape anyway, he perhaps did not want to be around when William came back, scared he might hit him or something, and so broke through the window with such desperation that he didn’t even notice the Scarecrow Animatronic. This went unheard by the Babysitter, who was watching TV at a load volume.
8. Why was there no glass on the ground if the window had been broken from the inside?
I also have a question: Why is there no blood by the dead kids in the Foxy Minigame, Give Life Minigame, or the Give Cake Minigame from FNaF2? I’ll tell you why, because not all details are represented in the 8bit Minigames. Even in FFPS, there’s no blood by Charlie in her Minigame. What I mean to say is, not all minute details are going to be included in these 8bit minigames. Plus, it would probably be pointless to add glass shards on the ground if there were already footprints coming from the window, heavily implying whoever broke the window was doing so to escape.
9. Where did the Missing Child (Michael) go?
Considering what I’ve come up with, the safest place for Michael to go at this point in time would be his mother’s house, as this is post-divorce.
10. What is the mound of dirt?
I believe this is the amateur grave of CC, as I doubt William would just let it get out that his child died at Fredbear’s, due to an animatronic. I think it much more likely that he instead claimed CC simply disappeared, perhaps abducted, at Fredbear’s, still forcing the place to eventually be shut down. As to why Michael wouldn’t say anything about this, William would more than likely threaten Michael with suggesting he might reveal Michael’s involvement with CC’s death. He would also hide it from his wife, but a child’s disappearance at one’s spouse’s animatronic diner would probably still result in divorce.
Extra detail:
Nightmare Fredbear’s design was made while Scott was still acting under Dream Theory, meaning he could not have based its design off of Elizabeth’s death (In fact, it’s more likely the reverse is true, basing Elizabeth’s death off of the Stomach Teeth of Nightmare Fredbear). As for an actual explanation, the mind is a strange thing. If FNaF4 is Michael’s nightmares, then it’s possible that Fredbear having Stomach Teeth is just Michael’s brain being fucky, as dreams and nightmares aren’t exactly realistic.
Timeline of Events:
Crying Child Dies
William covers this up, claiming it was abduction instead
William buries CC
Mrs. Afton files for Divorce
Elizabeth is forced to testify against her mother by William, perhaps unintentionally
William wins custody of Michael and Elizabeth
William the learns that Michael essentially killed CC, thus begins to hate him
Michael, at multiple points, goes to his mother’s house, perhaps for comfort or to comfort, without William’s knowing, William does not like this
William sets up the Scarecrow Fredbear outside Michael’s window (which he also locks) while Michael is not there
William hires a teenage babysitter to look after Michael
Babysitter is dropped off by their parent
William heads off to Circus Baby’s Pizza World for its Grand Opening in the evening, as it essentially functions as an overnight childcare facility
Elizabeth dies soon after it opens
William is the first to discover Elizabeth, pulls the fire alarm in order to force everyone to flee the building, stores away Circus Baby and puts Elizabeth’s body somewhere no-one will find it, to be later buried alongside CC
William drives to JR’s Bar to get drunk, causes a ruckus, and gets kicked out
William drives to the still-open Fredbear’s and kills Charlie whilst drunk
William starts to head back to the house
Michael, fearing William will hurt him, breaks through his bedroom window, momentarily forgetting the Scarecrow that he’s been seeing all night
Michael realises the Scarecrow is there and that it is fake, thus decides to trash it and throw it into the bushes
Michael then runs off to his mother’s house
William arrives at the house
Michael is forced to go back to William’s house as per the Custody Agreement
Later on, Mrs. Afton dies (probably suicide)
Then, everything else after Charlie’s and Elizabeth’s deaths
Thanks if you’ve read all of this, I don’t mind if you disagree, since we’re all wrong about all of this in some aspect, but I hope I might’ve been able to convince you
I feel like it makes more sense that the person in the window is being lured out the window
I HIGHLY doubt a babysitter would talk to a (possibly) drunk, aggressive father like that lol
I read through the whole thing, and even though I’ve never played the games, I’ve seen lore videos through the wazoo.
Maybe the chair person is the teenage babysitter, and the lines are said in more bored teen way than aggressive and William maybe took a mint and is acting nice and “sober’ish” for the babysitter “Nah I’m not drunk, just had a beer at JR’s, I would NEVER drink and drive!”
Let’s say there’s some DV happening in Afton family, how many times have we heard about those situations in true crime and real life and people closest say “I didn’t notice anything, they were THE PERFECT FAMILY!”. And then one of the parents snap. Of course Bill would be nice to a babysitter, if he was creepy or acted like a jerk, who would want to babysit his kids the next time he gets all murdery?
This was a good breakdown of the mini game, but I feel like the story of fnaf used to be something, changed, retconned, changed again, retconned because people guessed it etc. and that’s why we have the stupid mimic and nothing can be decoded correctly anymore. Because anything can be “the mimic was mimicin it” from now on :(
@@yallaintit Thing is, the person in the chair doesn't look away from the TV, meaning that, if it is a babysitter, they would have no idea William was drunk, just that he had arrived home. She does probably know about William being violent though, that's fair.
One note before i start...
How would Vanessa possibly be talking about a Divorce?
She was in her early 20s by Help Wanted, which takes place after FNAF 6 in 2023.
How the fuck would William have a daughter past the year *2000* when he died in 1994-ish?
Let alone have her be old enough to potentially testify against her mother who'd also need to survive into the 2000s?
Assuming HW were exactly 2023 (which it almost certainly isnt), and Vanessa were, say... 5-8 by this time. William would have needed to go to court a full *decade* past when he got Springlocked, 2005-2008 or so.
Anyways:
>William covers this up, claiming it was abduction instead
Why would he need to? CC got bitten in front of a crowd of people, it wasnt a murder, it was a pure accident. It'd bad PR for sure, but there's really NO hiding it.
>William the learns that Michael essentially killed CC, thus begins to hate him
How would he only find out AFTER the case? Especially if he'd been monitoring CC through Fredbear, he'd been encouraging it constantly.
He'd know nearly *instantly* (being one of the owners, and it during business hours) that Something Went Wrong, assuming he doesnt have a direct view of his child getting ate by Fredbear as well.
>Michael, at multiple points, goes to his mother’s house, perhaps for comfort or to comfort, without William’s knowing, William does not like this
Personally, i suspect he's been going to the place he Did The Act, although the Hospital where he died is another valid option (if far less likely due to distance).
>William hires a teenage babysitter to look after Michael
I suspect the "Babysitter" is Henry here. They're coworkers who would know each other pretty well. Possibly even sharing the same ride potentially, or simply just giving eachother lifts pretty often.
Asking your coworker to look after a troublemaker while you're at work isnt that unlikely :V
>William heads off to Circus Baby’s Pizza World for its Grand Opening in the evening, as it essentially functions as an overnight childcare facility
If this is 1983-1984, and Charlie isnt dead yet. Then a Freddy Fazbear's Pizza location CANT have closed yet.
The earliest (successful) one that we know of closed in 1985, *after* the MCI. This also implies he knows about Remnant already, when he almost certainly discovered it (at minimum, likely much longer) days after he killed Charlie. I personally place CBPW's events at 1986, between the events of 2 and the MCI. About one of the ONLY points in time you could place it...
>William drives to JR’s Bar to get drunk, causes a ruckus, and gets kicked out
Didnt Scott state that this wasnt a bar, at one point? I'm not too certain but this does pose a minor issue if that WAS something he said...
>William drives to the still-open Fredbear’s and kills Charlie whilst drunk
I suspect he simply killed her in the heat of the moment, as he was leaving work. Rather than driving TO work to kill her, then leaving.
If you pull out from the lot, and see his kid outside, alone, as you're pulling out? Might as well stop by...
>Michael, fearing William will hurt him, breaks through his bedroom window, momentarily forgetting the Scarecrow that he’s been seeing all night
I suspect he doesnt fear William, but instead just has *INCREDIBLE* guilt over, y'know, murdering his brother? It'd be why he's repeatedly visiting "that place" again.
>Later on, Mrs. Afton dies (probably suicide)
While this MAY be correct in a sense, it's definitely much much later on in the timeline, *and* a different Mrs Afton :V
ORANGE GUY: i think the reason purple guy is not purple in the minigame is because this is the FIRST and only time where WE control william in a minigame, and also the minigame is from his perspective, the other minigames with william on it depict him in shadow/purple, Just like the shadows from springbonnie and Fredbear on the wall in fnaf 4... since this is from his perspective there is no reason for him to be pruple, excluding fnaf 4 all the opther minigames are from the perspective/we control an animatronic and if the minigames are memories, we can assume the dead children depict him in pruple (ALSO he may not be in an employee suit, the employees may be wearijng purple but since he is not working/pretending to be an employee in midnight motorist, he may not be purple)
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Or...
The window is locked.
Like the door.
Because on previous occasions you have calmly left through the window, but now as you "go back to that place again" you're father has locked the window, leaving no other choice.
@@henryapplebottom7231 I’ve never seen a house window lock from the outside.
@@Cryonidemany windows have locks you need a key for
Yes, I've heard about Rory. I don't know the full implications of the story yet--I've read some Twitter threads on it but I don't want to blindly trust anyone else's interpretation of it without my own research. Just know that I plan on bringing it up when I get around to making that follow-up video.
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3:00 Admittedly, i DO have a bit of a problem here...
If Vanessa *is* an Afton, *Michael* must be the Father, *not* William.
William died in '94, while Vanessa doesnt match a 35-41 year old in age, if SB takes place in 29 or 35. She seems much closer to her *20s,* maybe around 30 on the higher end.
We know Michael had a massive gap of *30* years between 1993 and 2023, one long enough to say...
Hook up, get married, have a daughter, have a divorce, have said daughter graduate, then SL to occur, 3/6, etc
EDIT: 20:50 Admittedly one point here... This technically extends to MANY things.
Why arent the animatronics purple, why arent the dead bodies purple too? Why is his badge orange, if it too is in shadows?
I suspect a good reason WHY he's orange is, unlike pretty much every other minigame i can think of, we *are* him. You cant be shadowy and mysterious to *yourself* right?
Obnoxiously, i wouldnt mind if you were able to find the SOURCE of the "in the shadows" quote from Scott (since i wanted to figure out WHEN it was said in particular), because i cant find shit, aside from wikis repeating it (with no source), and them leaping to "oh he's a corpse like Michael"
And, of course why the other person isnt purple? Presumably for said "to prevent confusion" part :V
Personally, i DO believe Henry is the Couch Guy here...
Why doesnt he have a car outside? A few possibilities:
- He doesnt have a Car, and walked there. Henry's Built Different. (Highly Unlikely)
- He *does* have a Car, but it's not shown in the minigame, much like the several rooms we KNOW have to exist, but arent shown at all.
Like damn, imagine living in a 2-room house with no kitchen, no bathroom, and ONE bedroom, with one chair to fight over for the TV, that'd suck.
- He *does* have a Car, but William simply gave Henry a ride/they share the same car. Honestly not that unlikely if they're close enough to run the company together. Especially after the Bite would've happened...
And, at least in terms of timeline here:
CC > Charlie (MM is Here) > MCI > Elizabeth > FNAF 2 > etc
Either way, Henry being the babysitter WOULD explain how he responds to William, and why Charlie would be alone the night she died.
One other point to consider would also be: Where is William even *coming* from, exaclty?
Its unlikely the springlock suits are used since:
1. They can snap into place from moisture
2. Its raining during midnight motorist
Wouldn’t it be likely to assume that any animatronic would have been decommissioned in the rain just like the puppet? I think it would be more likely to assume that than the opposite.
@@Ishoulddeletethis Honestly, also a good point...
It'd have to be designed as Waterproof, or simply be something that isnt affected by water.
“I’m willing to look past the purple car,”
“When it comes to the fact that the rain at the end of the security puppet mini game looks the exact same as the rain in midnight motorist, this is another thing I’m willing to look past.”
“I still have no reason to believe that this window was open from the inside, because, as I said in my previous Midnight Motorist video, there’s no glass on the ground.”
I can’t fathom how these conclusions about the evidence are drawn. I know, I know. It’s very hard to discern which evidence should or should not be considered when theory crafting, but come on! Why do people always cherry pick evidence in this community?
I do agree with you on this: it is hypocritical to use the car’s colour as evidence but also ignore the colour of the character we play as. However… it’s hypocritical to turn a blind eye to the colour of the car while also calling out the lack of glass outside a broken window. There’s just no winning, is there?
Well, maybe there is. If one were to say that the colour of the car is significant, the colour of the driver should be too. Why isn’t the driver purple? That would be too easy, and Scott never makes things easy. If we can narrow down who we’re playing as in this mini game to only two characters, it takes away the mystery.
Why is he yellow/orange specifically? It’s not like William has ever been represented with those colours; he’s only ever been purple …is the conclusion most people draw, but I’m not most people. Remember what colour his Spring Bonnie suit is?
Except we do explain William being orange. And the explanation is that he is out in the open, not confined to the shadows like he is every time he's appeared in the minigames prior to MM.
This is also the idea I subscribe to. The only person who would willingly follow or challenge a huge fucking murder-bot as a child (we know Crying Child HATES Freddy's and we can only account for 3 people in the household, William, Michael, & Elizabeth-- or wife) is Mike. Kid probably has a death wish after killing his brother, why else would he sign himself up for Freddy's time and time again, only to kick the bucket in Pizza Sim on his own volition? Who else would WANT to die young other than a literal walking corpse who isn't given the mercy of death after having his guts scooped out? Mike. Survivor's guilt, lost his whole family, on top of that its his Dad and himself who are ultimately guilty for the tragedies. If Afton is willing to torture Baby with controlled shocks post-mortem, willing to torture multiple kids with gas experiments during FNAF 4 (confirmed in SL), plus murder 10+ kids, he is most definitely willing to torture Mike.
Well well well...
So, there's a person in a chair, that because of them not saying anything just...didn't hear a huge window break? Are they even alive?
This video is amazing. You are very perceptive. You've earned a subscriber! I would like to give a less popular theory that most people don't talk about.
I believe that Midnight Motorist is showing the aftermath of one of William's victims. The player character and the couch person being parents of the child that ran away. William would have been the "animatronic" standing outside the child's window, luring them away from the house. Whether this child is one of the kids from the MCI is still debatable.
A possible hole in this theory is that William being in a springlock suit in the rain wouldn't make sense, but what if it wasn't a springlock suit? SImilar to what Matpat proposed, it could be a handcrafted suit of springbonnie. Still speculation, I believe in it, but I don't think it is what actually happened.
I don't think the person in the chair is Mrs.Afton, but I do feel like some of your points against it were weak.
Like, why would she babysit for William? Well, because they're her kids, too. Why wouldn't she babysit her own children? You yourself said we know next to nothing about her, so how can you assume she's so bitter about William winning the court case that she’d just throw away her entire relationship with her kids? I mean, if she no longer has custody of the kids, you'd think she'd be even more happy to babysit them since this would be her only chance to see them.
I feel like assuming she's dead makes more sense.
I would like to point out that there are no windows depicted in the Crying Childs room in the FNAF 4 minigames, which is why the runaway in Midnight Motorist is likely not the Crying Child.
Also: there are no footprints at the mound of dirt, so the runaway likely didn't run there.
On the house layout: From outside you can see windows in the south and in the west, indicating more rooms that we don't see from the inside.
On the glass shattering: I found this in a different comment but considering the orange guys dialouge, he doesn't seem to concerend with a break in. In fact, he is the one wanting to break in himself from the outside. Opon seeing the broken window, he instantly assumes a runaway situation, rather than a break in.
I think the color of afton changing is to represent the mind of a childs perspectives.
From one perspective hes his dad whose representated "normal"(orange) from another percpective he doesnt know its his dad and sees a man lurking around in the "shadows"(purple) of the pizzaria doing odd/bad/sketchy things.
Or or he realizes and seperates his dad between two distinctions, being the person he loves and the evil person he also is. Just to cope with having to live with him.
Could be simple as Dad life orange, work life purple. Or just a plain ol curveball to mislead and make us discuss something that is honestly probably irrelevant.
23:55
1. To confuse people. In the early first ffps cutscene purple and yellow are interchangeable.
2. Crying child and Mike.
3. They're dead.
4. skip
5. skip
6. Funtime freddy standing here and trying to do it's programm - lure and catch the children.
7. Burried himself, like the twisted animatronics in the Twisted novel.
8. Because Freddy just broke it.
9. skip
10. in Funtime Freddy's stomach.
11. Funtime Freddy.
12. Jr's.
The fact that the mini game is named “later that night,” has the same rain as the puppet death mini game, we know William used a purple car when he killed her, there’s tire tracks in the mini game, and he’s speeding on the highway there’s just no way that william afton isn’t the orange guy. But I just don’t understand why Scott would make him orange. Maybe it was because he wanted to make William stand out from the rain and black background?
He’s had no problem putting William against black backgrounds before.
He also had no problem putting a purple car behind a black background, so I don’t see why a person would be any different.
The colour that the character is portrayed with, in the rainy dark of this minigame, is meant to be a similar gross shade of yellow that Springtrap is. The presentation of the character is initially vague, but all of the details you just listed off are to put it lightly VERY OBVIOUS narrative anchors meant to bombard your brain from frame 1 of the cutscene starting with logical connections to not just other material in FN@F 6, but prior games too (a la the Puppet minigame), which all point to the Yellow Fellow being Afton. Once you put aside the theorycrafting lens of trying to find any solutions that don't outright conflict with what's been shown and look at this as a piece of a story trying to convey an idea, the intent becomes very apparent (and now inarguable, as of Five Laps).
i can hear your frontal cortex microwaving thinking about midnight motorist regardless of your conclusion you did gave a thought about it so you earned a sub, i'm looking forward to your explanation because i can't even tell if that window was destroyed from the outside or inside.
1. if Scott had shown the orange guy as purple, this minigame wouldn't be so controversial. Scott probably confuses people, and in order not to reveal all his cards so easily, he made it orange. if it were purple it wouldn't make any sense at all. there would be no riddle, no meaning to this minigame
2. Crying child escapes through the window, and Michael sits in a chair.
3. Elizabeth is already dead. This could explain that very mound; it could be her grave. William loved his daughter Elizabeth. and Mrs. Afton is a really unimportant character. There’s no point in even showing her, even in the Fnaf 4 minigames there is no hint of Mrs. Afton, which may hint that she has already left the family.
4. I don’t think this is a babysitter
5. This animatronic is Shadow Freddy. Shadow Freddy also has 3 toes, and Crying child by the time of Midnight Motorist could well have highlighted the agony that became Shadow Freddy. On Crying child, William had already conducted experiments with the participation of nightmarish animatronics (as he did with Rory). And moreover, we see that William is a rather rude person, he could treat his children poorly, which could also help create agony. it even explains what Crying child could see (Plushbear's phrase). he could see Shadow Freddy and be very scared of it.
6. We don’t even know if the window in this room opened. it could very well be a window that doesn't open, given the fact that the Aftons were poor. Henry cut off business with William, and they may have become even poorer. especially considering their small house in the middle of the woods
7. Scott could well have missed the fact that there should be glass left there. He could simply not pay attention to this detail. Moreover, we see that the glass is gray, its color could merge with the color of the earth beneath it and be invisible
8. The child went to the pizzeria. He could run to Fredbear and Friends, or Juniors. does not matter. This restaurant could very well be Fredbear and Friends, considering that the classic animatronics (Freddy, Bonnie, Chica and Foxy) perform there. and Crying child also had toys of these four animatronics, so he obviously loved them and even more so called them his “friends.”
9. The mound is dedicated to Elizabeth. this is quite possible. considering that William loved his daughter more than anyone else
This reminds me of the court episode of the Beverly hillbillies
"This is what happened the night Mrs. Afton said 'leave him alone, he's had enough tonight'"
"Objection, there's no evidence Mrs. Afton has anything to do with the story"
"Yes, maybe now we'll *get* some"
I have yet to hear the perspective of an actual child of an alcoholic…yes, a drunk parent coming home could be a lot scarier than a nightmare (or any) animatronic. I imagine he left immediately once dad got home, which is why there are fresh prints.
William was never purple, just purple is his trademark and in the game to explain it, Scott gave a purple car which means that William was driving it and did something wrong because where William was, there was evil and he showed him as a normal person
do taxis or parents driving someone not exist? why does the babysitter HAVE to be a driver? her parents could drop her off, or a friend, or she could live close by and just walk! i don’t think it’s a babysitter, but ur reasoning to prove it’s not is flawed. amazing theory video!
Dang what a great point he just brought up 1:21 I’ve always not believed that it was a different person outside of the aftons but I was never able to give evidence as to why. Amazing point man❤
Has anyone put together that both nightmare Fred bear and Freddy from security breach have mouth stomachs?
I had a thought IF the orange guy is Henry. If we assume this is the case, MM can still be Later That Night after Charlie's death (the reason Henry is speeding is to get home to check on Sammy). In the original novel trilogy, Henry had twins, Sammy (a boy) and Charlotte (a girl) If we go by this logic but don't assume they're twins here and simply brother and sister, then it could be Sammy running to JRs since Orange Guy mentions a he when referencing the runaway. This would leave Henry's wife to be the person watching TV and Henry would have right to be angry since his daughter has just been killed. The only thing I can't explain is the Animatronic outside. Unless it was William in his Springlock suit, luring Sammy to Charlie's Body as this time frame doesn't give Henry cause or time to place an Animatronic outside to deter Sammy. The only problem I see is why Henry wouldn't be allowed in JRs and I'm not completely sold on the William part either but I haven't seen anyone else go into this angle besides saying that Orange Guy is Henry.
>the reason Henry is speeding is to get home to check on Sammy
As far as we know, Sammy isnt canon to the games.
Additionally, this kind of just introduces a PILE of characters who ultimately are meaningless, and only appear once in the series with no real introduction OR impact, or anything like that.
William's really the only one who DOES fit. Especially with Henry being Couch Guy.
What if the reason he's not purple is because William has yet to kill anyone yet? As in him being "clean" in a sense. Or maybe it's because of how other people view him as opposed to how he views himself. He is purple in all the scenes where we see him from someone elses perspective as he is viewed as evil, but is orange in this case because we're seeing him from his perspective, if that makes sense. I don't really know if this works but i guess its food for thought
1. If he hasn't killed anyone yet, then this can't take place directly after the death of Charlie.
2. If he's only purple when we see him from the perspective of people who think he's evil, then that would imply that the Crying Child thinks he's evil during the FNAF4 cutscenes.
@@CryonideOr hear me out, maybe Scott was telling the truth and William is purple when he's in the shadows and the reason he's yellow/orange is because he's out in the open and you also can't hide from yourself?
@@CryonideNo response, I see.
i truly believe it the windows was broke out and not in, there would be glass. in fnaf4 chica break was literally two pixels but it was “important” enough to be called out by scott. i dont think it was just an oversight or design choice
Literally since when is William abusive of crying child and alcoholic?
Wait until you see people who believe he planned his children's deaths...
Oh boy time for my daily MM rant. So I believe you're right about it not being about the Afton's. My strongly believe that the yellow guy is the father of an MCI victim (I believe it is Jeremy, but you could also argue that it's Fritz), and that Jeremy is the runaway child, but was lured to Freddy's on the night of the MCI. Here's why:
1. The MCI are a key theme of FFPS. We get their gravestones in the lorekeeper ending, we get the Candy Cadet stories all talking about 5 things. Henry makes reference to them in the insanity ending, and we see GFGL in the completion ending. There's also the incredibly high likelihood that the MCI souls are within Molten Freddy. But the biggest connection of all is:
2. Fruity Maze. Fruity Maze is showing us how Susie was lured away by William, so it would make sense that MM is telling us how William lured another kid. MM and FM have identical arcade machines, are next to each other in the magazine, and have similar stats, so it would make sense that they are telling two parts of the same story.
3. The piece of evidence for this theory comes of the Toy Chica the High School Years cutscenes from UCN. In them, we see the methods William used for luring children. In the second episode, Chica lures her target by running over their dog, which is a clear connection to FM. Well the fifth episode has Chica lure her target by going to their house and going to their window, which is a direct reference to the house in MM.
4. Out of all possibly candidates for the animatronic footprint outside the child's window, it most closely resembles a rabbit foot.
5. The purpose of JR's is to show that the father is alcoholic. Imagine you're a child with abusive parents, but you absolutely love Freddy's and find it to be a great distraction from your home life. This is why the child followed William back to the pizzeria, since he would be escaping his home before his drunk father got home.
6. We know from the FNaF 1 newspapers that the MCI happened in the "late hours of operation" at Freddy's. The title of the secret minigame is "Later that Night", thus the title of the minigame matches up.
7. One newspaper in FNaF 1 states that 2 children were lured away at Freddy's, with a second newspaper saying that 5 children have now been liked to the MCI. To me, this means that two children went missing at the pizzeria, with 3 other children going missing from the local area, since otherwise the first newspaper would've mentioned all five children.
8. This part can still be up to interpretation, but I believe the dirt mount is Elizabeth's grave, and that Scott included it to help establish a timeline, since the placement of CBPW was still relatively unknown at this point. I believe this is so since William wouldn't want to draw attention to Elizabeth's death, as it could potentially expose the funtime animatronics for what they really are, so he buried her in an unmarked grave in a small clearing off the side of the road.
9. Think about the context that MM appears in. FFPS is all about tying up loose ends and giving clear definitive answers. Scott would not want to make a vague minigame in FFPS about the Afton's, but instead tell a simple yet tragic story. To ensure there would be no confusion, Scott made the yellow guy not purple, to show that this is not William, and added the rabbit foot print outside the window to show that this is just a child being lured away by William, just as FM shows. But nooooo, because that doesn't satisfy our desire for answers. We want every detail in these games to mean something, when most of the time it doesn't mean anything at all, and we just end up believing something we're not meant to believe. When you take a step back, and remove all preconceived theories and beliefs you have about the franchise, many parts of the story start to reveal themselves as you realize that we've all been overcomplicating many parts of the story. Everyone talks about the FNaF franchise as being convoluted, but it's only that way because we believe it is.
>My strongly believe that the yellow guy is the father of an MCI victim
Except we *know* they were inside the location, and were lured into the Saferooms.
>The piece of evidence for this theory comes of the Toy Chica the High School Years cutscenes from UCN.
Personally, i've never really agreed with this, as it DOES directly contradict how the MCI is mentioned. Not to mention it involves several unrelated characters.
If it's talking about the MCI, why is "Charlie" there? Infact, not only is she there, she's next to LAST in the order...
The specific order is:
Freddy > Twisted Wolf > Toy Bonnie > Funtime Foxy > Puppet > Pigpatch.
Specifically *Charlie* is the one that you quoted about the house.
If this were the MCI/murders in general, you'd have to disregard the order AND characters, and just haphazardly assign random murders to each of them...
>it most closely resembles a rabbit foot.
It really doesnt? It looks like a generic animatronic foot, aside from having 3 toes.
>The purpose of JR's is to show that the father is alcoholic.
Not certain, but didnt Scott confirm JR's isnt a bar?
>since otherwise the first newspaper would've mentioned all five children.
No? It's simply reporting on the Missing Children as they crop up.
You could have two parents report a disappearance to the police, while three more try to go through Fazbear, before seeing that report and ALSO adding theirs in later.
And, as far as we know, ALL 5 were willingly lured by William into the Saferoom, and shoved in the robots.
A kicking and screaming child is going to raise *far* more attention, than one simply following the Yellow Bunny Man into a staff-only room.
>I believe this is so since William wouldn't want to draw attention to Elizabeth's death, as it could potentially expose the funtime animatronics for what they really are, so he buried her in an unmarked grave in a small clearing off the side of the road.
While i disagree with the timing, as CBPW almost certainly was 1986, i DO agree that he absolutely would have done this, either way.
CC was a freak accident, Elizabeth was a direct murder which we know had a coverup.
>FFPS is all about tying up loose ends and giving clear definitive answers.
Unfortunately, it really, REALLY didnt do that all that much :V
It explained a bit, but of course we have one question like "Where the fuck was Henry the entire time??"
@@higueraft571 I've always interpreted the final victim as being Andrew, who was kidnapped while coming home from school, taken to the pizzeria, and killed.
@@umargul6048 >who was kidnapped while coming home from school, taken to the pizzeria, and killed.
Yeah, this just kind of makes no sense though, why would he SPECIFICALLY target some child outside the location when ones inside are easier?
Especially when this is in the middle of the location being open (And the papers implying all 5 were within the location initially), it'd be pretty much impossible to drag a screaming/kicking children into the location past dozens of people while wearing a mascot costume (making you stand out like a sore thumb), and somehow dragging him into the back rooms to THEN shove him into a suit.
You'd somehow have to avoid the *entire* room noticing this.
Now children leaving their parents' side and following the mascot around of their own free will? That's normal.
@@higueraft571 I believe Andrew was killed after the other MCI victims in a separate murder.
@@umargul6048 >I believe Andrew was killed after the other MCI victims in a separate murder.
Who's the 5th child then, if he's not an MCI kid?
We've got CC and Charlie for pre-MCI deaths, then Susie, Gabriel, Jeremy, Fritz, and ???, then i guess Andrew whenver after, some time before or after Elizabeth dies, i guess
Personally I think mustard man is Henry
You've seen Henry drive a Purple Car does he?
I dont believe Henry is, as you put it, mustard man, because if I remember, the person watching the TV says "leave *him* alone" thus meaning whoever is in the locked room is male, and as far as we know, Henry does not have any sons, only a daughter.
but hey, you do you
same i feel like it could be after henry find out about what happened idk tho
@@TheGreenManiac10We haven't seen Henry drive any car at all. He could actually have a purple car.
@@dealwithit8323henry actually has a son, sammy, in the novel trilogy. and there’s nothing disproving that he exists in the game timeline so it’s still possible for the orange man to be henry and the runaway boy to be sammy
The animatronic is Golden Freddy, possessed by BV, as we can see he is more ''ghostly'' and can teleport in the games. We know it's likely BV is one of the spirits posessing him.
I believe Michael broke out because of that, he saw his brother.
The mount of dirt is BV's grave.
The person in the chair could very well be Ms. Afton, and we simply don't see the Elizabeth in this minigame bc she's not important to it, and Scott didn't wanna give it away easily. The Vanessa court case story is not hard evidence that was what in fact happened with the Aftons, perhaps it was completely made up, and fnaf ar is scrapped content, it is a good theory but it is far from hard evidence to completely rule out Ms. Afton in here. Or maybe it is Henry.
Personally, I want to say it's more likely to be the Emilys (though I'm sure there's plenty of holes in that too), but everyone hates the idea that Henry is... not so great a person/father.
Off topic, I had this video playing and then walked out of the room for a bit. I can running back because you sound so damn close to Hand Unit it was trippy 😂
I like the Theory someone (I don't remember who) came up with that the mystery animatronic is the haunted Golden Freddy/Fredbear, somehow being able to stand for once, puppeteered by the crying child. He despawned again instead of walking away, that's why there's only those footprints. It would also explain why Michael might desperately run after an animatronic moreso than like, any other member of the cast.
Similarly, I like the theory that couch person is Henry, indeed babysitting, being here instead of at Freddies, where he could help out his daughter with things. Mostly because unlike Mrs. Afton he's actually a character instead of just a statistical likelihood, and because unlike Michael he wouldn't be another case of "how the hell are these sprites so terrible at conveying which character is which, your series has like three human characters"
I guess in this interpretation there is no shortage of people whose grave the dirtmound could be, since every Afton except maybe couch person is dead.
Edit: Noting that the window appears to be broken from the outside in, I guess that might mean either Crying Child as Fredbear broke it, or that detail is there because breaking a window is dramatic and writers sometimes forget about dramatic scenarios having more sensible alternatives when they come up with one.
The big issue is "being able to stand for once" since we never see that happen and don't have an explanation for it.
I also still don't understand how a babysitter could get there in the first place.
@@CryonideI believe the souls, or just Golden freddy can actually stand, but since most people believe that Cassidy and crying child both possess Golden Freddy, I being one of them. I think that Cassidy is the one who can see and control the upper body (arms and head) while CC(crying child) controls the lower body (legs and lower torso/waist). CC constantly crying would make sense as to why golden Freddy sits down so often, while there's the aggressiveness of Cassidy
@@Cryonide He does stand in the Fnaf 4 minigames so being able to stand shouldn't be impossible. I think his UCN jumpscare might have him standing up, but my brain might just have replaced the actual footage with a fan render. Though, remember that this is before he's been sitting in some random backroom for decades, and he was in animatronic mode when FNAF 4 ended, so it would just kinda make sense if they left him with his endo intact, at first.
If that seems too farfetched for you, well, I sure hope you either found a different teleporting robot, or your alt theory involves it either flying away or climbing on top of the house.
As for the second point, Wdym? Babysitter was there before the minigame even started to watch the kid, sucked at watching the kid (which seems like a consistent thing for Henry), then stayed in place for at least as long as the minigame happened.
Americans sometimes leave their front doors unlocked, and people are known to either lend house keys to babysitters or let them in personally, if that's the problem.
Of course, even if everything I outlined was intended, it is still excessively obtuse, but I like my version specifically in part because it adds a bit to Henry's and Fredbears/Golden Freddies/Crying Childs character (specifically their relationships to William/Michael respectively at this point in the timeline), and in part because in this version, William wasn't the one in control of the situation, for once, and I feel like that works well thematically considering the ending.
Why does Golden Freddy have to stand to leave footprints? In all his renders he sits with both his feet planted flat on the ground.
@@cythulhubuthebegamin4902 I was mostly thinking so because the feet don't come with a matching assprint but I guess that's a fair point
Midnight Motorist was no doubt really interesting, and it did spike a lot of mystery to the story.
one detail I haven't seen mentioned yet is that it's raining during the night of midnight motorist. This could have complications with the idea of the tracks being a springlock suit, since we know they can't work in rain (i.e. FNAF3). it's entirely possible that someone could've came earlier in the day in the suit before it was raining, but if it does occur on the same night as charlie's death (where it is also raining), then that wouldn't leave much time for the suit to both be used at night, when its not raining, and also while the driver is away from the home to not observe what happened (assuming that this hypothetical person in the suit wouldn't be doing this in broad daylight).
Don't bother bringing reasonable evidence up. This dude straight up ignores it.
Some things to consider:
1. The cars are going the wrong way for it to be in the US. There's no way this isn't intentional. It's most likely this is in the UK, where the Aftons are from.
2. The footprints aren't necessarily an animatronic or a springlock suit. If this does take place in the UK, it's infinitely more likely it's a person in a regular mascot suit than a person in a springlock suit (not invented yet) or an animatronic, rogue or not.
3. I don't have much of an opinion on the shattered window yet, but the person in the chair's dialogue could imply that the orange person is abusive, and therefore maybe the kid couldn't open the window because it's locked or sealed closed by the orange guy. The line about "gone to that place AGAIN" implies the kid has a habit of going there, and the orange guy has tried locking them in to prevent them from going.
I didn't finish the video before posting this so if these are addressed by the end ignore me lol
I always thought it's Afton before went crazy with murders. Yellow is the opposite of purple. And his car was driving crazy on street just to park next to Junior place and then house and yelling at kid to open his door and saying he will punish him when he run away. And It's all titled "Later that night". It's obvious William killed Charlie while he was drunk after everything he sufffered to this point. I lived with drunk father, I know how they behave on street and in family.
Even if it doesn't make any sense and is based on an arbitrary thing, as well as him acting incredibly out of character, I kinda feel like its Henry for no other reason than I remember learning orange is opposite to purple on the color wheel, and Henry is kinda sorta maybe the opposite of William slightly, I still kinda think im wrong with that but it feels like a parrellel, with one being purple and the other being the opposite color
Something that always annoyed me is that there is only one set of animatronic footprints. We dont see anymore going forward or back, so where did it go? Even if it was william and he got out, we'd see footprints going to the window. Then, after grabbing the kid, he'd CARRY spring Bonnie away leading to no more tracks?
And what about the guy watching tv? He says the kid had a long day meaning he has been in contact with the kid after a decent amount of the day has passed, but he didn't hear the window break or any sounds of struggling?
I will always find this minigame mad interesting. I don't even know why. I don't know if Pizzeria Simulator was meant to be the conclusion of the story, but it sure as hell seemed like it. If that's the case and it was a game meant to tie up loose ends (what seems to be the case), then the minigame probably explains something pretty big. It's meant to be a conclusion, something that explains a piece of lore. That's why I don't think it would just be a way to further show William's bad parenting. There needs to be more to it. We don't need a whole ass minigame to know child-murdeding-Afton was a bad dad, and that his kids disliked him lmao.
Again, I think orange guy is William because of the name of the minigame. I just haven't heard any explanations I find satisfactory or realistic enough. The lore is meant to be complex, but if this game was meant to tie up loose ends, "later that night" is practically yelling in our face that it's later in the night that Charlie died.
This is really interesting, I love how you dissect everything in a whole new way, and really give in-depth reasons as to why, instead of just nah uh, like a lot people. :)
I heard a theory that the mound of dirt was one of the animatronics that hide in the dirt (from the books, I don’t remember the name…) and perhaps it was hiding in there after grabbing the child from the room?
Sorry I’m really new to the fandom, and trying to speed run as much lore as I can before the movie, and tend to get confused quickly 😂
The reasoning that I've concluded on why Afton isn't purple but is yellow in the minigame is that he hasn't truly cautiously murdered anyone yet. He killed Charlie earlier that night but was drunk and wasn't totally cautious about his actions, but after he commits his first murder in Susie his person is forever embed with purple making him the purple guy and also signifying that there is no going back from what he's done. This also parallels to Mike becoming purple in that when his skin rots he should be dead but he can't die because of the remnant in his body, and now there's no going back to fix his body, and he's forever purple, literally this time.
There are some holes with this theory however like how he appears purple in the cake minigame in FNAF 2 and the minigame in FNAF 4, but I think it's interesting enough to be given a look.
I feel like people trying to theorize that the family we see here is the afton family are focusing to much on the williams. What if this family is a completely different family? Maybe there the father of the missing girl we see in the maze game? Maybe his hate for jrs is from his grief and anger over the loss of his daughter so to try and prevent that from happening again he forbids his remaining son from going to jrs? The timeline of the events between games leaves a big gap of possibilities that we may not see in the games themselves. Im sure fazbear entertainment has had more locations than the ones we see along with spin off locations. Like how we build are own pizzeria in pizzeria sim there may be hundreds of restaurants in various different states with completely different animatronics and possibly even more casualties and deaths. At this point fazbear entertainment could have hundreds of lives on there hands and from the sounds of the ar world in the ruin dlc it really sounds like theres a ton of ghosts in the pizzaplex… then again maybe this is the family of one of the former nightguards or workers? They would see first hand the real horrors behind the scenes and would reasonably want there own kids to stay far away.
20:22 he is not even canonically purple 😭
he's not a rotting corpse like Michael
you have to ask most of those “Why” questions about the crying child anyway. like William is already trying to scare CC for whatever reason, whether you include midnight motorist or not.
I've been under the impression that Henry is no better than William for a while now so Charlie dying first may have been an accident
19:34 I have simple, straightforward answers to all those and then some. First off, to srt the scene - the kid who broke out is Foxybro, and no kids have died yet. Foxybro is Henry and "Sharon"'s son. Shafon left Henry for William and took Foxybro, but not Charlotte. Foxybro hates living with the Aftons, so he starts breaking out and going to Jr.'s. Jr.'s is the "sister location" mentioned in the springlock training tapes. That's where Henry has been working most often because it's his newest location. William tries to stop Foxhbto from breaking out anymore by locking the window from the outside and having a nightmare animatronic stand outside.
1. He broke the window and climbed out.
3. The nightmare animatronic that NORMALLY stood outside his room went inside because it was raining.
2. He just walked away.
4. Personally, I think he broke out THAT NIGHT to go meet his friend Cassidy at Jr.'s. But he could just as easily gone there to see Henry or just to get away from his drunk abusive stepfather for a while.
5. The animatronic went inside the house or down into the sister location bunker, which we know is below the Afton house.
6. See #4
7. The dirt mound is EITHER the ginal resting place of the FIRST Mrs. Afton, Crying Child's mother, OR its the entrance to the aforementioned Sister Location bunker, which is pretty massive, reaching under ths Afton house AND Fredbear's, plus having all its own rooms and facilities.
8. The person speaking from the couch is "Sharon."
9. Crying Child and Elizabeth are either sitting next to Sharon, out of view because it's 2d and we're looking at it from the side, OR they are in some of the many rooms in the house we don't see. We only see what was important for Scott to show us when dream theory was the canon answer. We don't see a bathroom, a kitchen, a laundry room, or the parents' room, but we can assume they exist. The same is true for the kids' rooms.
10. What else do you want to know about the animatronic outside? I'd say it's probably an almost exact match to the Twisted Ones, a fairly plain blank animatronic that seemed huper terrifying due yo illusion tech. When he said he'd make him regret it, he DID too. When Foxybro got home, all his stuff was gone. Step daddy Will moved all his things into a room in the bunker that he finished oug to look like part of the rest of the house above. His new toom had no window he could break out of, and a door leading to a hallway on both sides guarded by a nightmare animatronic that isn't in danger of ever being rained on. And two plush dolls projecting nightmare illusions - one on his bed snc one in his closet. Sound familiar? If you think Vanessa IS Elizabeth, then this wouldn't match up with Vanessa's story about her parents' divorce. But I don't think she is Elizabeth. Her dad's nams being William A. shouldn't be ignored, but Elizabeth would be like 50 by now. But she could be a grand daughter Afton. Personally, I think she's a Charliebot yurned Elizabot. The mimic too. And Cassie... OF COURSE Baby is an Elizabot for sure. The OG Elizabot. They're all Charliebots turned into Elizabots. I also think we're about to meet a BRAND NEW 4th and final Charliebot turned Elizabot in Help Wanted 2. Hmu if you ever want to just chat man, I know these games like the back of my hand.
The craziest thing to me that was brought up was the holes in the 'William is purple because he's in shadows' explanation. I have only ever watched Matpat's theories, and he never brought up those problems. Thanks for clearing it up!
Didn’t the incident happen in 87’
At the beginning of FNaF 6, we get to see three kind of suits in the introduction cutscenes. We see a man in a purple suit, a man in a orange, and finally a man in a purple suit with a orange tie. With the context of William Afton being orange guy, this makes sense. With the context of William Afton not being orange guy, this could mean that purple suit is William Afton, the purple and orange suit is Michael Afton, and the orange suit is Henry Emily. We only get one image of Henry’s official design, and the outfit he’s wearing is orange.
Huzzah! It wasn't the Aftons. It was Rory, everyone! Who's Rory, you ask? Good mf'ing question... lol
This channel is on the way to blowing up, love the content man keep it up!
Everyone and their grandma knows that you cant piss on the springlocks. Having heavy rain in the scene makes no sense if it was a springlock with a guy inside.
MatPat brought it up in his most recent FNaF timeline video, but he believes that Elizabeth must've died after the Crying Child. We know that the Funtime animatronics were built to collect children so William could study remnant, but this wouldn't make sense for William to do BEFORE the Crying Child died. He was inspired to study remnant after learning about the core 4 animatronics moving around the restaurant at night. This means that William created the Funtime animatronics some time after 1985, which is already after the Crying Child passed away.
the real question is, what is the game trying to show us? the other two minigames are about how a child was killed. Charlie is important, it makes sense to feature her death, but Susie? She's never been more important than any of the other children. Maybe this is really just showing a glimpse into the death of another one of the children, and we are all overthinking it assuming it must be important. I like this idea just because it would be so much simpler XD If it's the Aftons, things get a lot more complicated. Which child broke out? Who lured them? There's an animatronic luring kids out of their houses and William Afton isn't behind it??? WHY
Acctualy, I belive that the crying child is the runaway and here is why, 1° "later that night " the name of the minigame, clearly refers to Charlie's death, since fnaf 6 don't just make a enormous point about it in many ways during the game, basicly putting Charlie's death as the catalyst of all the series, why it started and why its ending, 2° William is the yellow guy and Henry is the green one, and I can prove it, first for the yellow guy, the violet tendencies were only seen in basicly 2 named caracters in the games (at that point) that aren't animatronics, William and Mike (and yes I'm not bringing the books into this one), taking in consideration that, the purple car, it's color (and I will explain that while I talk about the green guy as well) and the position of the house in relation to jr's (consirering the "U" like, strait lines from the path of the house to jr's, and henry is very much the green guy, because in the same way that William in this game have he's color changed to it's negative (purple fo yellow) Henry, that I think we all can agree is represented by the old man consequences, is also in he's inverted color, from red to green, and yes I think that is valid since William's color is inverted, and he is the only person to EVER be seen driving not just A car but a PURPLE CAR, and since it would be Henry's daughter, he could be still in the place (since he provably was the one that called the police in the first place) and William (the guy that was driving the exact same car a little while back, before and after the killing, and btw police could at least link him to the case because of the tire marks we can see on the security puppet minigame) couldn't stay ther (and yes I see the tracks beeing enough to make him one of the suspects but not enough to put him in jale, and he would be prosecuted and liberated posterioly after the mci since even with both cases, a guy in a costume with no identification, with nothinh but 1 corpse found, Charlie's btw, his first victm, and some tire tracks on the ground wouldn't put anyone in jale, ever), 3° the animatronic out the window is shadow bunny, first because its like it just appeared there and simply vanished, the animatronic beeing shadow Bonnie is very plauseble also because he have 3 toes, just like the footprints, fnaf 2 would already existe in the timeline, since the survive logbook make reference to the crying child was there "was you're favorite ride the carousel?" and I belive that both shadows are an representation of the crimes of Afton, shadow Bonnie for Charlie's death, the birth of the killer bonnie, and shadow Freddy the mci, because of nightmare's death lines in ultimate custom night, "I'm you're wickedness made flash" and the fact that the shadow freddy lead them to Afton "with the same old tricks", as said by henry in fnafs 6 end, and the couch person is probably Mike just trying to ignore his father's lack of interest for him, and one more thing, there are cases when divorced parents lead to separation of the children, and yes I belive that it is possible that william and misses Aftom are already divorced, bill got mike and tge crybaby, and their mothers, stayed with Elisabeth, till William made her lie in court because he couldn't stant the fact that his ex still have the guard to one of their childs, and he as an incredibly horrible persom, would no doubt make his ex wife lose Elizabeth's guard, making space for Elizabeth not being with them in the fnaf 4 time, but the bite of 83 could be the catalyst for William trying to take Elizabeth back, and after that she can die for suicide, and mike that provably wouldn't want to be far from his little sister till he assumed that there was no animatronic danger in the area, remember im baby's counting in sister location, ther is only one person with Elizabeth before the claw happens, probably mike, that saw nothing wrong till he goes away and she dies, he provably saw it happen while he was going away, explaining why nightmare freedbear has a mouth in his boddy, bacuse mike did not let 1 od his siblings die, he let both
Holy CRAP what a wall...
>basicly putting Charlie's death as the catalyst of all the series, why it started and why its ending
Henry said Charlie was the First Wound, because (to Henry, specifically), she IS. And in a sense, in general it IS true, even if CC dies first. CC simply provokes William into making his First Kill, and discovering Remnant. Causing the MCI and such.
>the animatronic out the window is shadow bunny
Which is implied to be a product of Agony... before any Murder Sprees.
And i suspect it was simply a Scarecrow he knocked over.
>and the couch person is probably Mike just trying to ignore his father's lack of interest for him
It doesnt fit his behavior (or even color technically) at all :V
Infact, speaking of, WHY is CC breaking his window and running off to "That place" repeatedly?
Why doesnt William comment on the footprints or such?
>and yes I belive that it is possible that william and misses Aftom are already divorced
How would Vanessa be born when she's 23 by HW. That implies she would have been born AT THE EARLIEST in 2000. 6-7 years after William died.
This implies said divorce would occur somewhere between 2005-2010, which, again, impossible.
Infact, it more implies MICHAEL is the Father, not William.
I think the only way for Afton Mid. Motorist to cleanly work, in terms of the current family dynamic, is if the Crying Child and Elizabeth just straight up aren't born yet, and we are dealing with a very very young Michael Afton going missing. However, I literally have no idea why an animatronic would show up at the Afton house so early in the timeline (when Charlie is killed). It's possible it's a creation of Henry's, but it cannot be any advanced model of a Charlie bot (Baby or the Mimic) because Charlie has only just now died. (unless a very early mimic model escaped, but that idea wasn't introduced until very recently in the lore; so I doubt Scott would set it up this early but it's not impossible).
The best guess I have is that this animatronic is Golden Freddy, because of the footprints going towards the house but not turning around. This implies teleportation, and GF is the only character in this series who we know can teleport. Then the Crying Child would need to be dead and Elizabeth being yet to be born or just not in this scene. In this case, the TV watcher would still be up in the air a little.
I also highly doubt that this animatronic is the Orange Guy's creation for one reason: they seem surprised at the disappearance of the child despite the fact that they should know that the robot was designed to either lure out a child or break into their room. The idea that this would cause a child to run away or escape would not be glaringly obvious to the creator of said robot makes literally no sense. The only way this robot belongs to Orange Guy is if the robot did this without them knowing AND they didn't notice the robot footprints in the mud.
I agree that Orange Guy thinks this missing person went to JR's, but I think it's possible that this person went somewhere different. However, this minigame on its own gives no hints as to any other alternate locations, so honestly I have no clue.
I have so many problems with this minigame. A lot of clues direct the viewer into believing that this family resembles the Aftons. You know, the only family dynamic we know much about in this series (a character who has a similar color scheme to Foxy Bro who is watching a TV in a way that reminds the viewer of Immortal and the Restless; a character driving a car in the rain with a single color representing them; a missing family member being haunted by creepy robots around their bedroom). Taking place on a night that has a lot of similarities to a very well established event in the series (the very presence of a purple car, the fact that it is raining at all). And if so, it is so early in this timeline that if sci-fi high tech is being used or hauntings are happening, it contradicts everything about our understanding of Afton's entire villain character arch!
So yeah, I think this mini game is stink, stank, stunk.
I would like to clarify that I wrote all this before watching the Cassidy Mid. Motorist theory. I was only responding to the points presented within this video. I would now like to put my thoughts about Cassidy MM here, though. It's a very solid concept that WOULD fix a lot of issues with this hell of a lore piece. In a vacuum it fits very well. However, I do find it odd that Cassidy's seemingly abusive relationship with their father, their father being banned from what appears to be a bar, and their mom watching T.V. by herself looking kinda miserable would be highlighted so clearly, since it seems like this Orange Guy is not a crucial character going forward.
Kinda feels like a level of world building and suspense we would find in the first chapter of a FNaF book. It would be very refreshing if this were actually the case though, because this form of story telling is very unique to anything we've seen Scott do within the games. Despite this, the lack of clarity that these characters (Orange Guy and the person watching the TV) are new and unrelated to what we are supposed to be focusing on in this minigame, if true, is unimaginably frustrating.
One question that I don't see enough people asking about Mid. Motorist is "What about this is so important to FNaF that it got it's own exclusive secret in FFPS?". Why include a random story about Michael breaking out of his locked window to chase after CC Golden Freddy? (I used this example because it's the strongest alternative theory) Why establish a mound or UNMARKED grave sight? I feel like the largest strength of Cassidy MM theory is that it makes perfect sense why it's being shown alongside Susie and Charlie's deaths. The theory isn't perfect (at all) but it's much more satisfying from a "Why include this?" point of view than a random epilogue from a murder that expands on William maybe being an alcoholic and Michael being abused.
@@cythulhubuthebegamin4902 >I think the only way for Afton Mid. Motorist to cleanly work, in terms of the current family dynamic, is if the Crying Child and Elizabeth just straight up aren't born yet, and we are dealing with a very very young Michael Afton going missing.
Why though?
>they seem surprised at the disappearance of the child despite the fact that they should know that the robot was designed to either lure out a child or break into their room.
This assumes it's more than merely a scarecrow, and broke in/attacked. Which... doesnt fit at all. Especially if said runaway broke OUT. There'd be more footprints than two right next to a bush, right? It has to go TO the window first.
Also note William doesnt even comment on the robot footprints, only that he went to "That place" *again.* This is a repeat occurrence.
>that if sci-fi high tech is being used
To be fair, said Scarecrow would only have to be a more Nightmare-styled Trash and the Gang that just... sits there.
honestly, i think using context clues and some common sense from a perspective of every minigame makes it extremely easy to figure out who the yellow guy is, which is obviously william, the context is that william could most likely be drunk from juniors, went to kill charlotte in a drunken rage, drove off in his purple car and speeds home to try to evade custody or come to his senses, this makes sense as it seems alot of pre charlotte death william is grounded within reality, william gets drunk and mad at henry, drives to and kills charlotte and then tries to speed home all drunk and stuff. after this however, is still kinda up to interpretation and im not sure what it means fully, but this first part does make sense and is realistic.
edit: actually its possible there a realistic explanation as to why william is orange aswell, its possible he just changed clothes to evade custody after getting his purple ones all bloody after charlotte, im not exactly sure how he would change in the car, especially when hes driving, but it could happen as he would be in a very frantic mood. Another explanation could just be scott doesnt want it to specifically be obvious that its william.
Also: i just realized that fnaf 6 was the game where scott specifically retconned/changed the original fnaf 2 charlotte death to try and explain it better and be more grounded, its possible that midnight motorist is explained in an entirely different way and doesnt use the currently known lore to explain whats happening inside it, and instead just trying to explore what happened after charlottes death.
Finally someone who has common sense.
I still believe the yellow guy is William and the Runaway is Michael Afton - I think dismissing Mrs Afton as the sitting woman because we know very little about her is hypocritical given your theory, as I recall, was built around Cassidy's family who we have even less information (correct me if I'm wrong though because I haven't seen your video since it's release)
Here's my answers to your problems with Afton Theory. I believe Midnight Motorist is post-bite of 83 but pre-Baby incident
Broken Window - The runaway has gone to that place 'again' implying this is a reoccurring problem. It seems plausible that William has locked Michael in that room, and Michael had to break out the windows. This is supported by the animatronic scarecrow theory if you choose to believe that.
The Animatronic - As this is post-83 in my mind, I believe the Animatronic is Golden Freddy / Crying Child appearing to try and reach out to Michael as we see they do later in FNAF 1. I don't have a concrete explanation for the footprints remaining beyond the fact that, as we see with Golden Freddy in FNAF 1 and 2 - he is able to interact with the real world enough to kill a man so perhaps he could leave real footprints in the rain. By extension the Animatronic had vanished once Michael fled.
As for why Michael fled, before this video I would've just said seeing the ghost of his little brother made him flee to his grave, the mound. But I actually really like your suggestion that he's fleeing to Jr's to hide from his father, which made me thing that the reason he smashed the window and fled was because he heard William arrive and left in a hurry. This would explain the broken window and potentially explain, if he is going to the Mound and not Jr's, why you can't find him there already when you go to the mound (I haven't played Midnight Motorist myself so if you're able to discover the broken window and THEN go to the Mound disregard this)
As for who is in the chair, Mrs Afton is still a viable candidate at this point in the Timeline IMO - as for the lack of Elizabeth - the Sister Location Bunker Map implies the house in MM is the house we see in the FNAF 4 mini-games. A house that we saw had additional rooms (and was overall a more detailed mini-game) beyond the three rooms that we could see in that layout. I think it's not beyond reasonable doubt to suggest that the two mini-games represent the same house but just don't include the rooms that would be irrelevant to their respective mini-games. This is why the Midnight Motorist home is seemingly 1 living room, 1 empty room, and 1 child's bed room. But if you prefer babysitter theory it isn't unheard of to say a late-teen babysitter was dropped off at the house and will be picked up later.
As a note on Michael's FNAF 4 Nightmares, I agree that for him to see Fredbear as presented in FNAF 4 he would logically have to not only already have lost Elizabeth, but be aware of Baby's scooping abilities, so probably post SL. I think FNAF 4 are nightmare's Michael has during/after FNAF 1 - hence why the animatronics have similar attack patterns to FNAF 1, you can hear a warped FNAF 1 phone call, and Fredbear has a SL inspired Stomach Mouth.
Final notes: If it is William then I think he was miscoloured intentionally because, as you said, the FNAF fandom is built on speculation and him undeniably being the Purple Guy would've made this far simpler to solve. Furthermore as you pointed out, yes I do think the glass was an oversight for the same reason you think the fact that the rain is exactly the same as the Puppet rain, it was a superfluous detail. And if someone *did* break in from the outside, where are their footsteps and why does Yellow guy not react at all to the fact that his home has had a break in?
>But I actually really like your suggestion that he's fleeing to Jr's to hide from his fathe
Alternatively:
He's grieving for his brother still. And he simply went to where It Happened. Either to Fredbear's, or perhaps to the Hospital.
We know he ABSOLUTELY is guilty as hell about it.
>As for who is in the chair, Mrs Afton is still a viable candidate at this point in the Timeline IMO
While POSSIBLE, i disagree it'd be her, as this would be our single only appearance of her in the ENTIRE series. Possible, but unlikely.
>But if you prefer babysitter theory it isn't unheard of to say a late-teen babysitter was dropped off at the house and will be picked up later.
Something similar. I believe Couch Guy is Henry, and either (as you said) the less-important details were Omitted, or William simply dropped him off to watch Michael while he's at work.
>and why does Yellow guy not react at all to the fact that his home has had a break in?
This as well, definitely good point. Doesnt even react to the robot, just "i'm gonna get his ass later" :V
For Elizabeth not being there... you ever think she's just... asleep?? It's the middle of the night and most kids her age would be in bed by now.
As for your questions: My current theory is that William is coming home form killing Charlie after BV dies of his injuries. Mrs. Afton is sitting on the chair and tell William to leave Mike alone for obvious reasons. Mike.. maybe sees Fredbear outside represent CC in like a vision. (Looks up Coming Home, it'll make more sense.) In a panic and with his window locked he busts out. (In SB there is an area similar to the MM house and there is glass on the ground on the outside area of the house.) Then Mike runs off to Fredbear's to try to make amends. The mound? Represents CC's recent death.
That's my view!
E: Oh! And to answer why Afton is not purple, it's the shadows thing but a little more than that imo. In every other minigame we know for a fact he is in cause yknow, purple guy, he has been a background character. He has been in the back, _in the shadows_. Here, he is front and center.
Or.... he's wearing a rain coat. /j
I think it’s obviously a bad argument 2 assume Elizabeth must b relevant 2 confirm the family is the Afton’s … as well the assumption that Vanessa is literally Elizabeth. Those r just assumptions. Elizabeth isn’t in Midnight Motorist … probably because she doesn’t matter. The house doesn’t literally only have one other room - no house has.
I agree with u & think that’s the most likely interpretation. I think RyeToast gave me that explanation & I think she was convincing.
I didn't know about the broken glass being outside the "MM house" I'm Security Breach. You're talking about the room that looks like Michael's house from Sister Location, right?
@@Takejiro24 No, the hidden daycare room.
@@Bearcolada Much appreciated 👍
You make a lot of good points and I'm not saying that you're wrong but if orange guy isn't William then there aren't a lot of other options for who he could be. Ignoring the more specific details like the rain and the color of his car, orange guy
a) Lives in a household with at least two other people (one of which is a male)
b) Is an adult (or at least old enough to drive)
c) Just returned home following a significant story event
Of the characters besides William who were established in the series at this time, very few fit all three requirements. It probably isn't Henry because the only family member of his we know about is Charlie, and it probably isn't some random Fazbear employee (Phone Guy, Phone Dude, one of the night guards) because we don't know enough about any of them to be able to make a connection to the minigame.
If you ask me, the only person it makes sense to be is William. We know he had two sons, a daughter, and at some point a wife so more than enough people to meet the first requirement. We've only ever seen him as an adult and one with a driver's license at that which meets the second, and in the same game we see the immediate aftermath of a significant story event (Charlie's death) that he had a direct role in which meets the third.
It's entirely plausible that orange guy could be the parent of one of the missing children (I think that was your theory from a past video. It's been a while since I watched it) but since it would be the first time and only time we ever meet that character and with all of the evidence pointing towards it being William it just seems intentionally misleading for no reason.
Discussing who orange guy *actually* is will be the topic of another video, along with all of the evidence I can put together for it.
Like I said though, it won’t be for a while.
we've all always tried to figure out what everything in midnight moterist is suppose to represent and mean.
But, the one thing that I always back to with this chain of events is: "Why tonight?"
Why is it tonight what Williom decide to kill Charile?
And why is it tonight that a child had a really rough day AND was approached by something/someone that would make them willingly come with them in the dead of a rainy night?
What led up to all of this? It can't be coincidence that this all happened the same night, so what caused it all?
I've always felt like that was the real question we were always suppose to be trying to answer.
15:35 There's also the possibility that the window is just... the kind that doesn't exactly open? Or it's possibly locked to keep Michael in. If William is wanting Michael to stay in his room, why wouldn't he make sure he couldn't just easily go through the window? Feeling in danger isn't the only reason why someone might need to break through a window to get out, it might just be literally impossible to open it the normal way.
I've always thougth that William isn't purple (assuming he's the one we're playing as) in midnight motorists is because the fact that he "is" purple represents that he's wearing his security guard uniform. He killed Charlie in his uniform and probably removed it at some point before going to Jr's.
I don't remember if there is any instance where he isn't wearing his uniform but he is still represented as purple. Either way I don't think I'd be able to answer the other questions confidently, this is FnaF after all, so I'm looking forward to your interpretation as well
I think that he's orange because of all the times he's been using or, in the case of Toy Chica, represented by yellow characters, and that he's purple because he's in the shadows and Scott can't use black to convey that on a black background.
Well that didn't age well
How didn’t it age well?
@@ryandyer3466 dittophopia
This adds to my ranting that Henry origonally was the suspect for the crimes.
Afton was a business man who wasnt onsite.
Henry made the animatronics so if a dead body gets in the machine, who would be easier to blame?
i think we can't solve this minigame until scott shows more evidence
or reveal the lore of it
In the new Fnaf Movie trailer u see michael wearing orange tie and william wearing purple tie so it could imply he is orange guy
Idk if this might help, but
What if the Midnight Motorist house is William Afton's and the house from Fnaf 4 is Miss Afton's house? Might explain where the kids are at. Might also explain why it shows up in sister location as it would be William keeping an eye on everyone when they aren't staying at his house. Just an idea though.
This is what I think happened:
The Bite of '83 happens and CC dies ---> William kills Charlie mostly due to the grief of his youngest son dying ---> he drives back home to see this:
His wife (Mrs. Afton) is sitting in the chair watching TV (I'll explain after just give me a minute) and he decides to check on his son Michael. After realising he isn't there he checks around the back of the house to see an open window and a set of footprints going off into the distance towards "that place," A.K.A the mound of dirt so he decides to wait to punish him when he gets back.
The explanation:
1. Mrs. Afton being the person in the chair: It is impossible for this to be anyone else as it couldn't be anyone else. What I believe has happened is that the custody case hasn't happened yet and Elizabeth is in another room that we don't see, probably the lit up room upstairs. I believe this as there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY that a (once) family of 5 has a house with 3 rooms, with only one of them being a bedroom. Therefore, there has to be more rooms that we don't see.
2. Michael going to the mound of dirt and not JR's: It is entirely possible that Michael started to go to the 'grave' pretty recently and therefore wasn't there yet when William checks up on it or went a while a go and left before William checks on it and got home after William did A.K.A they missed each other.
3. The animatronic footsteps and the window: I find very unlikely that William wouldn't comment on the animatronic footsteps or the fact that the animatronic he placed there was missing and the broken window. It is because of this that I believe that these two things (and please don't get mad at me) are made up by Michaels imagination and we as a player are combining the thoughts of William with what Michael is imagining.
4. William isn't represented as purple: One thing to note is that Scott himself has officially said that the reason why William is purple is to show him as hiding in the shadows. Scott couldn't make him any sort of black or grey colour otherwise he would've been impossible to see on the black background, so, he made him the next best thing: purple. And as for him being purple in the FNaF 4 minigame, I'd like to refer back to the quote "what's in the shadows is easily misinterpreted in the mind of a child." I think that when the Fredbear plush says "Remember what you saw." is because CC once saw William or any other employee helping someone into a suit and he misinterpreted it as the person being stuffed into the suit. Because of these two quotes I believe it makes sense for William being in the shadows here. And as for him not being in the shadows in MIDNIGHT Motorist is because of how shadows work. In order to have shadows you need a light to bounce off an object and the brighter the light the darker the shadow. Therefore in night time there wouldn't be very many shadows for him to be in due to the lack of light and, I'd like to throw out the fact of him being a pretty dark orange.
All in all, this minigame is confusing as all heck and, until Scott or Steel Wool outright tells us the answer, there is no 100% factual answer to this minigame and therefore all we can do is make THEORIES with different pros of con of each theory but, at the end of the day, it's what you think and whether you agree or disagree doesn't actually matter.
Finally someone who doesnt have an annoying ass PNG for their character. Great video