The canon answer is that they where refurbished into the fnaf 1 models with new components, the actual answer is because Scott redesigned them and wanted the lore to make sense
Afton took the bodies out of the suits shortly after stuffing them. He also stole most of their remnant reducing them to animals with no sentience unlike the puppet for example. With the bodies gone, that explains how the animatronics weren't turned in to the police and were instead refurbished by 3rd party mechanics.
phone guy maybe just assumes they're the same ones from Fredbear's. He's just an employee after all, nobody knows his actual job and he probably didn't care about them.
Theres some good observations here, but the fnaf 1 animatronics cant be new. Phone guy says theyve been singing the same songs for 20 years, and never got a bath.
That's a good point. My response to that would be that fazbear lied to everyone and said they were the same animatronics probably so they could get away with paying the night guard minimum wage and save money since it was supposed to be a lesser budget anyway.
he probably meant the mascots themselves, or scott didn't think about it while writing it in 2014 as he had no plans for a sequel while making the first game.
@@grizzly7160 well the quote is "uh, the ANIMATRONIC characters here do get a bit quirky at night, but do I blame them? No. If I were forced to sing those same stupid songs for 20 years and I never got a bath? I'd probably be a bit irritable at night too." So hes definetly talking about the animatronics. If scott changed that, then its definetly a retcon.
@@TerminalError I think theres some things to look at here for sure. I just think that theres something off about the fnaf 1 ani's being new. I think we need to figure out a better way around that. Does anybody know what ani's are in the furnace of ennards level in help wanted? Is it the withereds or fnaf1 guys? Maybe that could help.
@@Blood660 newspaper at the end of fnaf 2 and also the fact that the fnaf 1 characters are possessed by the same spirits as the withereds and also common sense? Why would Scott put at the end of 2 that there keeping the withereds for a possible reopening on a smaller budget and then never bring that back up.
It’s because it’s an older version. It is not five nights at Freddy’s one version it. Fred bears family diner version. That’s the reason why they’re different. 0:09
Fnaf 1 designs were the originals designs. Evidence being fredbear/golden Freddy is the animatronic that bit the crying child, and it looks like fnaf 1 Freddy.
Bro, it’s simple, Fnaf 2 came first in the timeline, and also restaurant in fnaf 1 looks different to fnaf 2s so lets assume that fnaf 1 is a new restaurant opened after the fnaf 2 restaurant, and they modified the withered to look new again, done.✅
Redesign. That's it - that's the whole reason for why they look different. Redesigns have been a common thing in FNAF for such a long time(Springtrap to Scraptrap changes, Baby to Scrap Baby, the new redesigns in VR games and the constantly changing minigame sprite designs for the same characters being the peak of this situation). Scott has been redesigning some animatronics any time his soul feels like redesigning, so the withered-classic differences may be just the earliest example of this situation. Scotty doesn't like doing retcons, but he seems to like doing redesigns.
@German_Empire_Enjoyer I'm pretty sure OP is talking about the designs in general, not the withering on them. In-universe, they were used for parts and left to rot. In reality, the canon designs are of the originals in FNAF 1. The reason why the Withereds look so drastically different from the previous models (including the endos) is simply due to Scott not wanting to do the same thing twice, AKA redesign.
@German_Empire_Enjoyer ...So they're the same animatronics then? Them being completely and totally rebuilt into the originals makes less sense than just being repaired with better suits and endo parts. The Withereds and Classics, despite being the same robots, are different models. They have different suits and endoskeletons. You can't just rebuild something into another thing without changing it entirely. Because of this, it's more likely that they're just redesigns of the previous versions, just more broken and deteriorated.
@German_Empire_Enjoyer They _are_ the same characters, though. Them being refurbished into the Classics clearly means that they were one and the same, just withered and broken looking beforehand. Their possessed by the same spirits and stuffed in the same suits. What I'm saying is that the changes people are talking about aren't lore important. The differences between the Withereds (black buttons, disconnected jaws, new endos, stocky proportions, uglier details, etc.) and the Classics are an out-of-universe redesign choice made by Scott.
@German_Empire_Enjoyer Using your logic, Scraptrap isn't Springtrap because they have different suits. Dude, you are literally saying that the Classics and Withereds aren't the same because they "look different". Every single character in this franchise has and is prone to get a redesign, yet you call out the OGs specifically? Also, the term "refurbished" means to renovate and redecorate something. Withered Freddy was simply repaired and fixed into Classic Freddy. They are factually the same character. Hell, the newspaper that says that even states the old animatronics will be reused for another location, reinforcing my point.
@German_Empire_Enjoyer I would understand that, but the fact that their endos are different as well makes things complicated. It wouldn't make sense if they were rebuilt, because none of Endo 02 is used in Endo01's design, meaning that they're completely different models yet somehow contain the same spirits.
Ok I actually love the idea of the withered's casing being used for the fnaf 4 experiments. It connects Dittophobia to the rest of the series in a meaningful way, and adds depth to why Afton created the Funtimes. Great video!!
@@TerminalErrorThe Animatronics Were melted down and re built to be different such as getting rid of the bars to avoid injury due to the Bites of 87 and 83 they also got new exoskeletons and Scott Loves to cause confusion so he might have put the toys Sprites to look like the withered animatronics
The answer is simple,after we beat night 6 in Fnaf 2 we see a news paper and it said that the restaurant is closing down and the toys will be dismantled while the withered animatronics will be reused and Gets fixed and obviously the withered would get new upgrade and Gets new Endoskeleton and new costume
I do think that was the original intention for the withereds, but I think William made a plan to use the animatronics differently than how the company wanted and did his own thing
According to my calculations fnaf one freddy bonnie chica and foxy which were the og band lost their mewing streak that is why withered chica lost her jawline
@@maplechen8922 Yes this single line unfortunately confirms that the withereds never existed, it was always the fnaf 1 animatronics which sucks as the Withered's look better in my opinion
@@BlenderMagnus88 Indeed the Withered's look better. However there is good news to this, In fnaf 2 you can spot drawings showcasing the withered's meaning most likely inbetween the two year gap from 1985-7 the Unwithereds most likely were used for short brief time before the Toy animatronics were introduced as you can spot Balloon boy, The puppet and Mangle prior to being torn apart in these drawings
That's fair. I knew that's where I'd lose people. It was either make them run off the Mimic or make some part of each animatronic not get melted down and that part just so happens to be used in the new animatronic making them haunted again. To me, it seemed like one was more likely to happen but less likely to be accepted by the community and vise versa for the other.
@@jason72382he’s talking about gameplay, this video is a stretch, but it’s been widely known that the FNAF 4 gameplay takes place a while after the FNAF 4 minigames for years.
two things: in 1983-1985 they made the classics endo 01, after the mci they make the endo 02 to fit the old costumes, so they made the unwithereds in 1986, after they started smelling bad and the complaining of the parents, they scrap them and make the toys for 1987, in 1988-1993 they brought back the old designs from 83 with the endo 01
@@socialistre actually, the withereds had their own resturant. fredbear's was closed due to the chomp of 83 and death of Evan Afton. (and probably some springlock failures here and there) the classic fnaf 1 designs did not exist for freddy and co. BUT... they did exist for fredbear and spring-bonnie. we see fnaf 1 styled fredbear in ucn. (and just a freddy head in fnaf 1 due to the cheeks being a bit shaved off) and spring-bonnie's fnaf 1 looking design in the silver eyes. literally described as a yellow bonnie.
endo 01 and 02 are just labeled by upgraded versions in fnaf world. endo 03 is literally plushtrap's endo i believe. they aren't in tineline order. the classics were the withereds until they were remodeled in fnaf 1. otherwise we have 10 souls possesing two of the same set of characters, which we don't.
The thing is that fnaf 1 was open twice. First time fnaf 1 was open, there were model of models from fnaf 2. When fnaf 1 closed, animatronics were used for parts for toys. When fnaf 2 closes, fnaf 1 will be reopened with new rebuilded animatronics with models we know today. Im saying fnaf 1 and 2 all the time because Im now sure of pizzerias names
Yeah @@antonioscholtenbut phone guy says in FNaF 2 "you may have noticed there are no doors for you to close" and "you don't have to worry about the place going dark." Implying that the location after Fredbear's but before FNaF 2 was the FNaF 1 location. After FNaF 2, the FNaF 1 location was reopened with the classic animatronics redesigned from the withereds.
The only issue that really blows your theory about the fnaf 1 animatronics not being haunted but just the mimic ai are golden freddy himself and the hallucinations that are implied to be the spirits.
I would day golden freddy isn't included in this making him the only spirit in the fnaf 1 building. It never made sense to me that fazbear would remake or fix an animatronic they were never going to use. My other video covering golden Freddy's hat color goes more in depth on what I think happened to golden freddy
BTW that was sarcasm and i just need to put that out there how no ones absolutely devastated that the original pre steelwool scott fnaf games are also just games in the universe and that they mean little to nothing in the lore
The FNAF 1 animatronics are clearly possesed and are clearly just fixed and redesigned versions of the withereds and Follow me should be happening after FNAF 1 and i think the locations from FNAF 1 and 2 owned by Henry and not William i also think the FNAF 4 animatronics are build by William specifically for those experiments Even thought i don't think that theory is true i still like the idea
@@GrimReaper_TTV The Nightmares were originally supposed to be just Nightmares, but in SL you can clearly see that the FNAF 4 Gameplay is real, and also if that isn't enough prove, in the last Tales From The Pizzaplex Book there is a story called Dittophobia that comfirms that the FNAF 4 Gameplay is real and is William experimenting on children
@@nikolaytablet1394I thought that the controlled character in Fnaf 4 was Michael? I don’t remember which novel but there is a part where I think Michael draws pictures of the nightmares in vivid detail, which would not be possible for Evan in a deep coma to tell him.
The animatronics in FNAF1 are directly stated in game to be twenty years old. They literally can't have been built after FNAF2. As for why they look different from the withereds: the withered animatronics were deemed too scary for children so when they were being repaired the conpany probably took the chance to modernize the designs into something more kid friendly.
It’s because fnaf 2 takes place before fnaf 1 fnaf 2s in 1987 and fnaf 1s in 1993 the withereds are the original ones from 1985 and fnaf 1 is the toy animatronics and the withereds parts melted together to create the fnaf 1 animatronics
I think the simplest theory and the most logical one is that fazbear entertainment took the withereds to fnaf 1 and rebuild/remodeled them to look like the ones from fnaf 1 thats why only signs of the fnaf 1 animatronics still exist in security breach cuz the withereds dont exist anymore they basically got transformed into the ones from fnaf 1
This is exactly what I thought, it's so simple lmao, they redesigned them and got rid of the spare parts, it's literally what it said in the journal, how they kept the withereds in case they wanted to re-open
Good theory. The FNAF2 withered animatronic for sure were used in the FNAF4 experiments, but i don't think the FNAF1 animatronics are necessarily Mimic program for a simple reason. Scott didn't put any "mimic" during those times in any kind of media (nor the games, nor the books, nor the guides). I could plausibly think that the FNAF2 toy animatronics were use in some kind of way to make the FNAF1 animatronic (not only bc they are the most similar ones but they could be other endo 01 animatronics put into the case of the refactored Toy animatronics (thats why they would lack the facial recognition technology, but also because the puppet didn't follow them, when the puppet is usually trying to take care of the souls of the childrens). I would argue that you are almost alone in the office of FNAF1, only being haunted by golden freddy who is kinda absurd when it comes to powers (since he don't need an endo to haunt someone).
That's not a bad theory. I went into this only thinking fazbear lied about the withered animatronics being the same as the fnaf 1 animatronics, but it would also make sense for them to lie about scrapping the toy animatronics as well.
@@officergreg1318 The CC incident happens in 1983 (minigames), there is no way of knowing for sure who is the protagonist of FNaF 4, so it can happen anytime
I got into this video again randomly on RUclips and forgot I wrote this theory, I failed to consider that the phantoms in fazbear frights have a withered foxy, withered Freddy and withered golden freddy. It's quite interesting how the mimic program was also on the chip that we extract from Baby in sister's location, maybe we retrieve it for fazbear entertainment to then use it in fnaf1? At least in dates it's plausible, and we have a clear proof that the guy that speak to us in sister's location is from fazbear entertainment and not Baby/Ennard
It's pretty simple really. The withered animatronics predate the originals by a good few years and date back to the partnership between Henry and William. They share design keys with the mediocre melodies, which we know we're a knock-off brand of Williams own Spring Bonny and Fredbear, and as such they were likely designed in partnership with William and Henry, using Williams characters and Henry's designs. William killed the kids, built the fnaf 2 location after the original got shut down and moved the now withered animatronics there to be used as parts for the improved toy animations which where specifically designed to root out criminals I.E William. then the location got shut down and the withered animatronics got repurposed into the designs we know as the original fnaf 1 robots
Scott cawthon literally said in the early days that the "theory they are haunted" was correct. He obviously didn't have the idea of the mimic all the way back then. I would also never use designs of the animatronics in this game as "proof" since they do change pretty much all the time. Springtrap and scraptrap are supposed to be the same animatronic/human thing.
The discrepancies between the appearance of the Withereds and the "Classics" in FNAF1 is that their shells were repaired where necessary and the endo parts were left more or less intact. Try not to get too hung up on the concept of specific animatronics being possessed because that didn't get introduced till FNAF3 or even later. The spirits were haunting the whole facility because their remains (or rather the pieces of their remains) were still inside the totality of the Classics' parts collection. After decaying for long enough, inside the Withereds the remains are mistaken for rotted and rusted fabric/metal/plastic/foam. No one was the wiser while repairing the Withereds, I guess. I think it's safe to say the surface layer of the shells can be replaced without having to remove them from the endo. So the Classics went through 4 phases: Brand New, Withered by FNAF2, Refurbished/Clean after FNAF2, and moldy again by FNAF1. When Phone Guy says they are 20 years old, he is referring to how long it has been since they were brand new. Follow Me shows how they were dismantled in the FNAF1 location, but that doesn't mean they stayed that way. Someone could easily come along and reassemble them. Contrary to popular misconception, Afton didn't melt down the Classics to make the Funtimes. The Funtimes were imbued with remnant sourced from their own victims and Afton's experiment victims or at least that is what FFPS implies. I don't think they had remnant in them at all in Sister Location because remnant wasn't yet a thing lol.
@@MyUsersDark There's this whole theory called "moltenMCI" which states that Afton turned the old animatronics' endos into remnant and injected that into the Funtimes for whatever reason and then the souls were all contained in Molten Freddy. It's inspired by the books where Afton combines the possessed animatronics into a single amalgamation. But the games' clues don't imply any such thing happened. The parts ended up at Frights and then Henry recovered them to make the Rockstars. That is what I believe 100%. The only spirit possessing Molten Freddy, if any, is Golden Freddy. The Haunted Plush Fredbear and Yenndo in SL heavily imply Golden Freddy is there.
One possible answer is that fnaf 2 canonically comes before fnaf 1, and scott just decided to make new designs without any lore involved, implying that the animatronics were used for parts they just aren't as similar. Also, the nightmare animatronics most likely aren't real being creater by sound illusion discs. This is my personal belief of the fnaf lore, and it does not mean it's the canon. Great theorys!
Here’s how I see it, in stuff that takes place before FNaF 2 like possibly Freddy and Friends On Tour, the designs are more closer to the classic core 4 designs and Fredbear’s design being classic Freddy recolored. I think the FNaF 1 designs could have been used at the 1985 Freddy’s location and once it shut down and was being replaced by the 1987 location, they changed the core 4’s design and endoskeleton build to fit with the new facial recognition like Phone Guy says in FNaF 2. The idea was scrapped because of how ugly the designs were and so they were left in the parts and service, and then once FNaF 1 came out, they retrofitted them back to the classic designs, I’d think this as something KINDA like the Showbiz Pizza and Chuck E Cheese Concept Unification
Spot on! This little detail from phone guy's call is always ignored thus the Un/Prewithereds never actually existed the Classic Designs are also seen "Into the Pit" with some of the book in 1985 in the graphic novel you don't spot the withered designs you spot the classic designs.
How is it possible that the whole community forgot this simple detail. Fnaf 2 happened before fnaf 1. Fnaf 2 withered animatronics were fixed using toy animatronics parts and put in the more low budget fnaf 1 pizzeria. This was figured out in 2015...
Why would the fnaf 2 and fnaf 1 animatronics be different fnaf two is a prequel to fnaf one which means that something has to happen to change the witherds man if only we could see that happen OH YEA we CAN! It is stated in the newspaper that the toys are being scraped due to not working right, and the withered will be revamped and brought back. *so why do they look different?” You may be asking and to that o answer with a question; why were the witherds left to rot in the first place? BECAUSE THEY WERE DEEMED TO SCARY FOR THE CHILDREN! So of course the fnaf 1 animatronics are gonna look different than the witherds because they were to scary!
The newspaper never says they are getting revamped. It says they are getting kept in the hopes of a reorganization of the company. They want to keep them because they know these animatronics work and they'll be working with a smaller budget if they can manage to open again. Now if something happens to the animatronics before the new location opens, let's say William steals them to make nightmare experiments and funtime animatronics, then the company would be forced to make new animatronics for the new location or be forced to shut down for good.
Phone guy says they are used for parts but says this when the toys are still around. I think those parts were used for the toys, not the fnaf 1 animatronics.
7:20 Something to note is that Phone Guy doesn't know about possession, he and the company are just coming up with their best guess - that's why they mention the whole "mistaking you for an endo" theory in FNaFs 1 and 2, they are making inferences based off of limited information and context. FNaF 1 is when the hauntings get introduced, and the building itself is visibly influenced by the spirits, what with the crying-child posters, "it's me" alterations on the wall and Pirate's Cove sign, and other changes like the newspapers and Golden Freddy poster. Plus, FNaF 2's newspaper is very clearly telegraphing that they're using the Withereds for FNaF 1, so I don't see a reason to overcomplicate things by introducing the mimic. After all, if the Toys used parts from Withereds, the Toys are also probably partially haunted, so William can just use those parts to make Remnant Soup.
That's probably what Scott's intention was, the only real problem is that the animatronics share no parts as the suits are completely different and the FNAF 1 animatronics use Endo-1 while the Withered animatronics use Endo-2, so it is a reasonable question to ask. If I had to make it make sense within the lore, i'd say the simplest explanation would be that the FNAF 1 endos were the original endos they had back in the 1985 FFP and they changed them for Endo-2s before deciding on the toys in the FNAF 2 location, splitting the MCI Remnant between the suits and the endos that eventually got reused with new suits on the FNAF 1 location. The FNAF 2 calls say that they did try to upgrade the Withereds before making the toys so it would explain why the new and improved animatronics share the same endos as the old ones and what parts from the Withereds could be used for the toys, it would also be consistent with UCN Fredbear using Endo-1 since it would mean those had been in use since the first location and it could also work with the whole "Withered suits go to the FNAF 4 experiments thing", all without having to move the Follow me minigames from their original placement.
@@Tacozilla64 You do make some very good points, but I wouldn't call the suits themselves _completely_ different. They are more similar to the classic versions than they are different, as the heads are the most altered, everything else having minor changes like Chica's changed feet/shins, Bonnie's somewhat different colors, and Freddy and Bonnie's extra button(s). The suit with the most difference is probably Foxy's, as the torso withering is significantly changed, suggesting that he at the very least got a lot of suit repairs before going out of order _again_ before FNaF 1. They did all get redesigned for the new location, with different heads and some altered cosmetics.
I liked your theory! You went really, really far with this one, but still managed to make it mostly credible. There is a point that may take away a little of the credibility, though: We can assume that the FNaF 1 animatronics were possessed based on the FNaF 3 endings. The suits decorating Fazbear Frights are supposedly the same ones used by the actual animatronics, and both "Bad" and "Good" endings state that they are haunted by the missing children, or at least had some remnant in them. They could be random spares found by Fazbear Frights, sure, but that cuts the connection between the minigames and their location.
fnaf 4 was first in the timeline (1983) and fnaf 1 and sister location pretty much happened at the same time so mtheory is this: after the events of fnaf 2, the company kept the withereds around to use later on and evantually rebuilt them into the rockstar animatronics
My guess is before making the toy animatronics they tried to redesign the older ones and decided cause of the smell just to use them for parts for new ones.
Let me say this, the withered animatronics were older than fnaf 1 models, the withered ones were there for the fredbear family diner fredbear's diner was older those withereds were from there and shut down completely because the bite of 1986s the fredbear kill, the fnaf 4 wasn't any experiment, because his son Evan, feared the fredbear robots, and after he got his head crushed he was brought to a hospital the fnaf 4 nightmares are him struggling to survive the skull crushing, those robots are how he! Sees them all, especially fredbear, and there's a game where it's him in the hospital dealing with being left behind in a abandoned hospital where all of the people are dead and there's nothing but the twisted ones there trying to kill the last Afton family member, since when he woke up William and Michael and Elizabeth were dead completely even as the robot forms, they couldn't rest with Evan still alive as the last Afton family member alive that caused William to go on a rampage and murder the kids
The withereds aren't from fredbears, they don't have any spare parts in the parts and service room and we never see them in game. Dittophobia also confirms that FNAF 4 is an experiment, and where did you get 1986 from?
@@MordasMakesStuffMichael was the sister location guard I thought that was obvious considering he was used as a skin suit which made his skin rot and he was fired for his smell
Yes, they are the same, the reason its so different is partial continuity (scott made fnaf as a indie and didnt expect to make a sequel [well technically prequel] to this game)
fnaf 4 is the first game in cronologichal order, fnaf 2 is the second, third fnaf sister location,fourth fnaf 1 which after the events of fnaf william gets springlocked, fnaf 3 that is 2023, fnaf pizzeria sim, help wanted, and finally fnaf security breach, the reason fnaf 1 and fnaf 2 animatronics is to different is probably because the fnaf 4 animatronics have been destroyed by william after the bite of 83, but they not have been totally destroyed, this makes sense because in 1993 which are the fnaf 1 events, william destroy the animatronics to put an end to the proves that he is an assasin, he destroyed every single pizzeria, but then he found her fate in fnaf 1 been springlocked, but what explain why is nightmare animatronics is different even though the design is really like fnaf 2?, the disturbed and depressed mind of a 7 years old named crying child, when you have a disturbed mind your brain makes images of what is not real of turn normal things to other, and after all, its all a nightmare
I think that the whithered are the Afton's Family Diner animatronics, and so in Security Breech they didn't put them in the museum because of the Bite and because of William, but that doesn't explain why they're not in Help Wanted
I’m pretty sure the classic animatronics are from different times. The phone guy also said they retrofitted the older animatronics with some of the newer technology.
Yeah and FNaF 1 took place on 1993 (as its shown on the check at the end) and FNaF 2 was in 1987 (shown the same way FNaF 1 show it's date) so withered animatronics were made either during FNaF 4 (or Fredbear's family diner if you want to go by pizzerias, 1983) or around 1985 after the bite of 83 (where the crying child dies in Fredbears mouth) and the withered are the ones possesed, them the "old Freddy's" closed and they ysed withereds as spare parts for toys which could explain why they also move alongside withereds at night, then toys were scrapped completely after location from FNaF 2 got shut down snd they reused withereds to either upgrade them and change their suits to be the FNaF 1 animatronics or they were scrapped and destroyed like the toys and Fazbear Entertainment ysed some of the parts from withered animatronics while building the new models which is why FNaF 1 animatronics are possesed. But that's just a theory, a game theory! (Btw sorry for my bad English. It's not my first language)
Your questions in the beginning of the videos that lead to this theory can be debunked pretty easily. The withereds aren’t in the blob because 2 things, first, the withereds are the fnaf 1 animatronics, second, the animatronics in the blob aren’t the real animatronics from fnaf 1 and all that, the blob is the mimic’s victims possessing the endo parts and stealing parts from rockstar row that aren’t parts from the possessed animatronics because they were molten into the Funtimes. We never saw the withereds again in any game because fazbear ent doesn’t want for the public to know about them, why would you advertise broken robots in your restaurants? “Why does normal Bonnie is missing his face in pizza party?” I’ve seen a theory that I believe in that states that the fixed withereds never existed. Also, if the fnaf 1 animatronics weren’t possessed then why would fnaf 3 have the fnaf 1 animatronics in pieces instead of the withereds?
Oh, you do make a good point and this also just reminded me the one thing that’s debunking this video theory is the withered foxy arm hanging out of the box in the office in FNaF 3. If William really did take the suits and the endos then why would there be a full withered foxy arm in the box.
There’s also something that I don’t really understand here if the FNaF 1 animatronics were really not possessed then why was the puppet following them around? Referring to the starting cutscene in FNaF 2. And also adds onto this debunk is that the puppet follow the souls and parts of the animatronics to the FNaF 3 location. If the animatronics really weren’t possessed then what’s the point of the puppet following them? Edit: Oh yeah right I also forgot to mention this FNaF 3 bad and good ending debunked the theory because it shows the souls of the original, I am animatronics inside of the heads.
@@MarcGamesSudiosAndStuff The puppet isn’t in the fnaf 3 location, that’s a hallucination because the giant golden Freddy head in fnaf 2 also has a reflection. The fnaf 2 cutscenes, I don’t know if I believe that the puppet is on the fnaf 1 location of not.
Its in the lore, fnaf 1 takes place in 1993, fnaf2 takes place in the 1987,before freddy juniors (fnaf 2) In 1983 - 1985 is where the og animatronics are from, but when reopening for fnaf 1, they probably remolded the old animatronics
@@UIgogeta1987 i know thats where the first mci happened, but i dont remember the name so i just put 1983 - 1985 because thats when the restaurant was open
lol why do people debate this The withereds are the animatronics from the old Fredbear’s location. That’s where phone guy said that they got them. At the end, it says that the old characters are being kept in hopes of a new location. Fnaf 2 takes place in 1987, where fnaf 1 takes place in 92-93 I believe.
Ku jelasin buat kalian yang gak bisa bahasa Inggris, whitered animatronic dan original animatronic tidak sama karena dengan lebih jelas dan cepat whitered animatronic itu adalah animatronic yang sudah lebih dulu dari og animatronic, jadi urutannya adalah fnaf 2 baru fnaf 1 karena whitered animatronic ini akan diperbaiki ke og animatronic Itu penjelasan singkat nya Btw ini dari salah satu youtuber arliez Makasih 0 triliun like nya
I really like your theory, but I think that it was confirmed in the Dittophobia story that the nightmare animatronics weren't actual animatronics, but mannequins that combined with your biggest fears, they would look like them. But the idea of the withereds being used for the FNAF 4 experiments is pretty cool!
Thank you! I do think dittophobia says that they are blank mannequins, but to me, it makes more sense that the gas would make intense nightmares of what you are already seeing. Otherwise, how would the kid see different animatronics at each door and not just see the same ones. Obviously, there is no real evidence for this, but it just logically makes sense to me. Also, Scott originally said there weren't Easter eggs in fnaf 4 because they had meaning behind them, and the designs matching feels like it's one of these choices that had a meaning.
I think Fnaf 4 is the crying child having a nightmare after being put into a coma. That is the most obvious one. The child got is frontal lobe bitten off, which caused him to go into a coma. In the coma, he is forced to relive the same nightmare until he wakes up (or dies). I think that surviving against the animatronics is the crying child's way of clinging to life. I also think that if he dies in the nightmare, he dies in real life.
@@MCAiryn It's not CC. We can hear things such as the FNAF 1 phone call from the first, meaning that it's Michael the one who has the nightmares. But to me it's just Michael dreaming about the times he was put in the experiments by his dad.
@@ben.romusicstop fnaf 4 is cc the crying child we literally hear the flatline at the end of the game which is also why we play as a child in fnaf 4 not an adult
I love it when ppl are like, “guys i have a new and groundbreaking fnaf theory” when its obvious they just joined the fandom or its obvious they know nothing about it
@@Geo-Global-oz5klhe has a point tho, this video seems pretty useless when 90% of the fandom already know what happened to the withereds after fnaf 2, and the mimic literally wasn’t even a thing until the books after SB
@@Geo-Global-oz5kl yeah i mean im not trying to just sound like an asshole for no reason, to be frank i dont really care. its just a pattern i noticed that was kinda amusing. fnaf lore is going is circles so bad people still make videos on discoveries that are already common consensus
Ok there should not be a debate for this. The fnaf 2 witherds are a 1983 variant of the 1992 animatronics. As you can see the dates are completely different as the 1983 animatronics move on to 1987 where it is fnaf 2 and the new ones are remodeled into the 1992 variants. Hope this helps 😅
Great theory but it has ONE problem… the Nightmare animatronics were most likely created around the time 1983 because of the home that we are in during the near bite of 83, the Withered animatronics were in the time of 87 which couldn’t be possible unless the Withered’s were made BEFORE the Nightmares were made. The evidence given seems to be more around the Sister Location animatronics but the code pad that is near the Fredbear plush needs the code “1983” which shows the cameras to FNAF 4, this implies that Sister Location was created after Fredbear’s Family Diner was built. Which means that the Withered’s couldn’t be made AFTER the bite of 1987, the Nightmare’s seem more newer than the Withered’s. If anyone doesn’t believe this theory, than try to figure out on your know.
@@GuadiansOfTheUniverseGAMINGThe nightmares aren't real either, they are literally in the kid's head. They're not called NIGHTMARE animatronics for nothing.
@@FloridaBoyOnRUclips yes I know but though it is in the kids head… why would Willam have cams in the sister location office and have cameras where the nightmare Bonnie and Chica attack at if I remember
@@GuadiansOfTheUniverseGAMING No idea, but I recently saw a video talking about the entire fnaf storyline from fnaf 4 all the way to security breach, and the guy said that William Afton implemented the nightmare animatronics in the kid's head to scare him away from getting close with any animatronics so that the kid didn't get killed by one like how Elizabeth got killed previously. And he also mentioned that William Afton put secret cameras in the kid's room to monitor him or something like that. It was all strange to me.
I really think that he melted the toy animatronics down to make the funtime animatronics. Because, where did the DCI go after FNaF 2? Scrapped just means that they were withered, so they could still be possessed. We already know that the MCI victims’ souls were released in FNaF 3, so the DCI victims’ souls would’ve been released from Molten Freddy in FNaF 6. Not to mention that the funtime and toy animatronics have many physical similarities (compare Funtime foxy with mangle). And if FNaF 4 happened after 1987, then how does the bite of 83 exist? But your theories are quite interesting. Another nice video!
The funtimes were either before or after fnaf 1 and 2 considering people say the fnaf 1 souls were basically put into the funtimes when they’re animatronics were melted to make the funtimes idk how true that is
I'm assuming you mean the blood referenced in the fnaf 1 newspapers. I think those newspapers are all referencing the animatronics after the MCI, but before the building gets closed so the bleeding would be the withered animatronics (maybe before they are withered).
The withered animatronics are from Fredbears Family Diner, the reason they are withered is because they took parts off of them to use on the toy animatronics, the fnaf 4 theory doesn’t work because fnaf 4 isn’t real. It’s apart of the childs mind after he got the big chomp on his frontal lobe, and is sleeping having “nightmares.” The animatronics are a figment of his imagination and the way he saw the animatronics before they were withered. Hope I was able to clear things up, if I’m wrong correct me nicely
Enjoyed ur theory, but when u said that william used the withereds to make the funtimes it felt kinda wrong, seeing as how the funtimes were already built before that, all he needed was the remnant to fuel the funtimes, so in 1993, william enters the fnaf 1 location, and those are actually fnaf 1 animatronics that u see in the follow me minigames its just a small minigame inconsistency that scott was too lazy too change so he just kept it there, so as william goes there he breaks those robots and takes the endos, melts it and injects it into the funtimes
You are correct that the funtimes only need the remnant injected, but Scott isn't a lazy developer. If there's something left in the game there's a reason for it. This guy made 4 games in 1 year and made completely different models for each game. He also removed fnaf world because he wasn't happy with it. If this little detail was wrong, it would've been changed
Phone guy says they will be kept for a new location on a smaller budget, that doesn't mean they were used for that location. Fazbear Entertainment loves lying to people and if they say they're doing something, we should look twice.
@@TerminalError i think its plausible enough to say that the fnaf 2 gang is the fnaf 1 gang. they are both haunted and have similar enough designs. theres also the fact that at the time scott wasnt really putting that much thought into these things .
Nice video, though all that Mimic stuff probably isn´t canon to the older games. I personally am still convinced they just used the endos of the Withereds to make the FNAF 1 endos and then slapped a new casing on them. That´s how the ghosts transferred.
Could happen. Not saying the old theory is wrong but this feels like it fills more holes in other theories. I'm pretty sure matpat couldn't decide where to put sister location on his timeline and this theory I feel puts it in a solid spot
Ok so uh question: How ,many freaking children did william kill? Like 50+ animatronics💀 Also Probably william and henry funded fredbear family diner, they then wanted to add more animatronics so they made the withered (unwithered obv) and renamed it to fedbear and friends In 1983, then after the bite they shut it down, they then funded fnaf 2 and then the place would close down for the bite of 87. After a while henry funded fnaf 1 pizzeria AND william cbpw (circus baby pizza world). Michael would work at fnaf 1 and set fire to it AND work at cbpw (circus baby pizza world)in 2022. then a reboot would be made in 2000-2003. With animatronics made with withereds. So thats why the animatronics look like the withereds in follow me minigame. William would then destroy those animatronics, be springlocked and become springtrap in the year 2023 (fnaf 3). Michael would then set on fire fnaf 3. Fnaf 4 is just cc (crying child) nightmares. And Michael would go to cbpw (circus baby pizza world), get scooped and then in 2030 william and Michael would go to fnaf 6 (freddy fazbear's pizza) and then end it all.) Now, the mimic might be 3 things. 1) burntraps or springbonnie endoskeleton 2) william afton 3) an endoskeleton out of the blob with ennard's chip because ennard had the ability to mimic cb (circus baby) voice.
We know William killed Charlotte, The Five missing kids, Another set of five kids that makes the fnaf 2 location close during the summer and reopen during the fall of 1987 when Fnaf 2 takes place due to the paychecks, and then that's about it. There could be more victims and we have a victim named Andrew but it's unaware if he's canon to the games he's a symbolism for Cassidy
From the way he acts, it definitely seems like he at least learns about the MCI and possessed animatronics over the years. He sounds really calm in the fnaf 3 tapes and gets more suspicious and nervous from fnaf 2 to fnaf 1
it's pretty easy actually, when they refurbished the Withereds they went through a redesign, so they didn't just repair the suits but instead replace completely, and that makes sense considering how the company was struggling economically, it was much cheaper to just replace the suit than the whole animatronic, so they sold the Toys and kept the newly revitalized Withereds. snd in Bonnie's case, well it's just an arm and the face, it's still cheaper to fix 2 pieces than the whole thing
The Mimic was Made Post-FNaF1 so this theory falls apart realistically, that and the fact the Animatronics’ possess themselves and the soul splitting never happens until Sister Location.
By your "post fnaf 1" logic, anything introduced in a later game can't change the Lore of the previous games. This would mean the puppet doesn't give the animatronics life, the saferooms don't exist, springlock suits aren't a thing, and purple guy still has no name Unless you meant the mimic animatronic itself wasn't made until after fnaf 1 which is still wrong. It's said in the books the Mimic was made when the characters went from felt suits to animatronic.
@@SonZackSSJ9kwell, storywise, the Mimic was made in the early 80s, and FNAF 1 takes place in the early 90s. I don’t agree with this theory personally, but the Mimic was made way before the events of FNAF 1.
@@SonZackSSJ9k There is a theory that the Mimic actually was with Fazbear Ent. in Help Wanted, before Security Breach, and if Henry made the Mimic and helped with the animatronics since the 1980's...
Although I don't like to believe the animatronics in FNAF 1 aren't haunted, that would explain why Freddy's behavior in FNAF 1 and 2 is so different. In the first game he moves quickly in the dark and avoids being seen, while in FNAF 2 he is a big bulky fella who shows himself whenever he is in your office.
so, you are saying that the fnaf 1 animatronics are not hunted? it does not make sense, how do you explain golden freddy, all the "its me" alucinations, and the poster that sometimes shows the spirits of the dead children?
In my opinion, a more simple explanation is that because the suits of the withered models were all run down, they just got refurbished, getting new heads and repairs and whatnot. Additionally, I thought the ending to fnaf 3 was a shot of the animatronics heads sitting outside the safe room. They are the fnaf 1 heads, not the withered heads. This leaves me to think he disassembles the fnaf 1 models in the building after the fnaf1 location shuts down.
Here’s my explanation. Firstly, the withereds originally had the Endo 1 models but were then retro fitted with Endo 2 models. Phone guy said “they even started retro fitting them with some of the newer technology…” This explains why chicas jaw is broken since the Endo 2 jaws are bigger than the Endo 1 jaws. They were then restored with new more basic casings and had their original Endo 1 models put back. This makes sense judging how the fnaf 1 location had a way smaller budget so using the old characters with the basic Endo 1 would be way cheaper.
I think FNAF 1-UCN should be considered its own standalone canon. The original explanation for this was that there were simply multiple locations, each with their own set of animatronics. The pizzeria became a successful chain and a corporate entity.
ive always assumed that fredbears had the unwithered versions of the withereds, but in a different area of the pizzeria. that would also explain why the nightmares look similar to them, because the crying child wouldve seen the unwithered ones in fredbears
The only problem with this Theory is Golden Freddy, we know he’s canon, and we know he hasn’t been messed with (or at least we think) and so it makes no sense that Golden Freddy has a matching style to the FNAF 1 animatronics.
Fredbears family diner was opened in the 70's, where the golden springlock animatronics were used. In the early 80's they added the ''withered'' animatronics. When they closed Freadbears family diner in 1983 (Bite of 83 incident), they opened the new Fredbears Pizzeria with the toy animatronics. After they had to close again dure to Foxy biting a child in the bite of 1987, they opened yet another Freddy Fazbears Diner, which Fnaf 1 takes place in, year being 1992. 1992 is the correct year, I've read soemthign about the reasoning but I don't quite remember. Fnaf 3 logically is then 1993, where Afton acts as Springtrap. This would be my timeline theory
there is only 1 explanation. When Fredbears closed in 1983, Fredbear and springbonnie were taken to a scrapyard, but the other spring animatronics (Spring Freddy Spring Bonnie Spring Chica Spring Foxy) were taken to fnaf 2 during construction. Parts were taken from the animatronics to make the toys which made THEM withered. After fnaf 2 in 1987, they were taken somewhere and rotted even more so it turned them IGNITED, therefore causing the events in TJOC.
My cannon on the reason why is because fnaf 1 happened first then fnaf 2, stuff happened between that time and the animatronics maybe got updated, then being dismantled made them look even further worst, then someone made a lore video making the creator retcon his own timeline making the design different hard to justify
The canon answer is that they where refurbished into the fnaf 1 models with new components, the actual answer is because Scott redesigned them and wanted the lore to make sense
Afton took the bodies out of the suits shortly after stuffing them. He also stole most of their remnant reducing them to animals with no sentience unlike the puppet for example. With the bodies gone, that explains how the animatronics weren't turned in to the police and were instead refurbished by 3rd party mechanics.
Neither the endo nor the suit are at all similar between them there’s no matching parts
@@finngomezgamer Thats cuz they were referbished
Yeah because fnaf 2 takes place in 1987 but fnaf 1 takes place in 1993
phone guy maybe just assumes they're the same ones from Fredbear's. He's just an employee after all, nobody knows his actual job and he probably didn't care about them.
Theres some good observations here, but the fnaf 1 animatronics cant be new. Phone guy says theyve been singing the same songs for 20 years, and never got a bath.
That's a good point. My response to that would be that fazbear lied to everyone and said they were the same animatronics probably so they could get away with paying the night guard minimum wage and save money since it was supposed to be a lesser budget anyway.
he probably meant the mascots themselves, or scott didn't think about it while writing it in 2014 as he had no plans for a sequel while making the first game.
@@grizzly7160 well the quote is "uh, the ANIMATRONIC characters here do get a bit quirky at night, but do I blame them? No. If I were forced to sing those same stupid songs for 20 years and I never got a bath? I'd probably be a bit irritable at night too." So hes definetly talking about the animatronics. If scott changed that, then its definetly a retcon.
@@TerminalError I think theres some things to look at here for sure. I just think that theres something off about the fnaf 1 ani's being new. I think we need to figure out a better way around that. Does anybody know what ani's are in the furnace of ennards level in help wanted? Is it the withereds or fnaf1 guys? Maybe that could help.
I don’t think he means it literally
Why is this a debate😭 the withereds were refurbished and remodeled into the classics thats why theyre still possesed
Evidence
@@Blood660The newspaper when you complete the game
This video is useless
@@Blood660 newspaper at the end of fnaf 2 and also the fact that the fnaf 1 characters are possessed by the same spirits as the withereds and also common sense? Why would Scott put at the end of 2 that there keeping the withereds for a possible reopening on a smaller budget and then never bring that back up.
Yeah no I though I missed something when i clicked on this vid but nah, they literally just remodelled the withers into the fnaf 1 animatronics
Are we really talking about a thing that people found out like nearly a decade ago ._.
It’s because it’s an older version. It is not five nights at Freddy’s one version it. Fred bears family diner version. That’s the reason why they’re different. 0:09
I think it's the first location mentioned by phone guy and not fredbear dinner
Fnaf 1 designs were the originals designs. Evidence being fredbear/golden Freddy is the animatronic that bit the crying child, and it looks like fnaf 1 Freddy.
Bro, it’s simple, Fnaf 2 came first in the timeline, and also restaurant in fnaf 1 looks different to fnaf 2s so lets assume that fnaf 1 is a new restaurant opened after the fnaf 2 restaurant, and they modified the withered to look new again, done.✅
Redesign.
That's it - that's the whole reason for why they look different. Redesigns have been a common thing in FNAF for such a long time(Springtrap to Scraptrap changes, Baby to Scrap Baby, the new redesigns in VR games and the constantly changing minigame sprite designs for the same characters being the peak of this situation). Scott has been redesigning some animatronics any time his soul feels like redesigning, so the withered-classic differences may be just the earliest example of this situation. Scotty doesn't like doing retcons, but he seems to like doing redesigns.
@German_Empire_Enjoyer I'm pretty sure OP is talking about the designs in general, not the withering on them. In-universe, they were used for parts and left to rot. In reality, the canon designs are of the originals in FNAF 1. The reason why the Withereds look so drastically different from the previous models (including the endos) is simply due to Scott not wanting to do the same thing twice, AKA redesign.
@German_Empire_Enjoyer ...So they're the same animatronics then? Them being completely and totally rebuilt into the originals makes less sense than just being repaired with better suits and endo parts. The Withereds and Classics, despite being the same robots, are different models. They have different suits and endoskeletons. You can't just rebuild something into another thing without changing it entirely. Because of this, it's more likely that they're just redesigns of the previous versions, just more broken and deteriorated.
@German_Empire_Enjoyer They _are_ the same characters, though. Them being refurbished into the Classics clearly means that they were one and the same, just withered and broken looking beforehand. Their possessed by the same spirits and stuffed in the same suits. What I'm saying is that the changes people are talking about aren't lore important. The differences between the Withereds (black buttons, disconnected jaws, new endos, stocky proportions, uglier details, etc.) and the Classics are an out-of-universe redesign choice made by Scott.
@German_Empire_Enjoyer Using your logic, Scraptrap isn't Springtrap because they have different suits. Dude, you are literally saying that the Classics and Withereds aren't the same because they "look different". Every single character in this franchise has and is prone to get a redesign, yet you call out the OGs specifically? Also, the term "refurbished" means to renovate and redecorate something. Withered Freddy was simply repaired and fixed into Classic Freddy. They are factually the same character. Hell, the newspaper that says that even states the old animatronics will be reused for another location, reinforcing my point.
@German_Empire_Enjoyer I would understand that, but the fact that their endos are different as well makes things complicated. It wouldn't make sense if they were rebuilt, because none of Endo 02 is used in Endo01's design, meaning that they're completely different models yet somehow contain the same spirits.
Ok I actually love the idea of the withered's casing being used for the fnaf 4 experiments. It connects Dittophobia to the rest of the series in a meaningful way, and adds depth to why Afton created the Funtimes. Great video!!
Thank you! I'm really glad you liked it!
@@TerminalError fnaf 4 takes place in 1983
@@TerminalErrorThe Animatronics Were melted down and re built to be different such as getting rid of the bars to avoid injury due to the Bites of 87 and 83 they also got new exoskeletons and Scott Loves to cause confusion so he might have put the toys Sprites to look like the withered animatronics
That wouldn’t make sense FNAF 4 is before FNAF 2
@@TerminalError What’s Willy’s Wonder Land’s theory?
The answer is simple,after we beat night 6 in Fnaf 2 we see a news paper and it said that the restaurant is closing down and the toys will be dismantled while the withered animatronics will be reused and Gets fixed and obviously the withered would get new upgrade and Gets new Endoskeleton and new costume
I do think that was the original intention for the withereds, but I think William made a plan to use the animatronics differently than how the company wanted and did his own thing
@@TerminalError There's no evidence for that, Scott redesigns characters all the time and just did the same thing here
@@TerminalErrorbased onnnnnn what?
@@TerminalErrorIt came to me in a dream type comment
Well they can't get a new endoskeleton, cause then they wouldn't be haunted anymore. The endoskeleton is what's haunted, not the animatronic
According to my calculations fnaf one freddy bonnie chica and foxy which were the og band lost their mewing streak that is why withered chica lost her jawline
The phone guy mention that "we tried to repair them but they were just so ugly"
and also phone gut said that: "were repairing them with newer technology"
@@maplechen8922 Yes this single line unfortunately confirms that the withereds never existed, it was always the fnaf 1 animatronics which sucks as the Withered's look better in my opinion
@@HomewaveAthey look miles better imo, really sad. i also think that the retcon WAS this.
@@BlenderMagnus88 Indeed the Withered's look better. However there is good news to this, In fnaf 2 you can spot drawings showcasing the withered's meaning most likely inbetween the two year gap from 1985-7 the Unwithereds most likely were used for short brief time before the Toy animatronics were introduced as you can spot Balloon boy, The puppet and Mangle prior to being torn apart in these drawings
@@HomewaveA Ohhhh, i never thought of that.
You had me at first but the moment u started saying that fnaf 1 Animatronics Wasn't haunted you lost me 💀
That's fair. I knew that's where I'd lose people. It was either make them run off the Mimic or make some part of each animatronic not get melted down and that part just so happens to be used in the new animatronic making them haunted again.
To me, it seemed like one was more likely to happen but less likely to be accepted by the community and vise versa for the other.
@@TerminalError You lost me at FNAF 4 after 1987 because what about the bite of 83?
@@jason72382 what about the bite of 83? Let's all forget about it!
@@jason72382he’s talking about gameplay, this video is a stretch, but it’s been widely known that the FNAF 4 gameplay takes place a while after the FNAF 4 minigames for years.
New theory: Scott is bullshiting and has no idea how the timeline works himself. There are too many things that should be retcons.
two things: in 1983-1985 they made the classics endo 01, after the mci they make the endo 02 to fit the old costumes, so they made the unwithereds in 1986, after they started smelling bad and the complaining of the parents, they scrap them and make the toys for 1987, in 1988-1993 they brought back the old designs from 83 with the endo 01
Nope! The withereds are from Fredbear and freinds
@@socialistre and fredbear and friends uses fall fest freddy's designs that are the fnaf 1 animatronics
@@socialistre actually, the withereds had their own resturant. fredbear's was closed due to the chomp of 83 and death of Evan Afton. (and probably some springlock failures here and there)
the classic fnaf 1 designs did not exist for freddy and co. BUT... they did exist for fredbear and spring-bonnie. we see fnaf 1 styled fredbear in ucn. (and just a freddy head in fnaf 1 due to the cheeks being a bit shaved off) and spring-bonnie's fnaf 1 looking design in the silver eyes. literally described as a yellow bonnie.
endo 01 and 02 are just labeled by upgraded versions in fnaf world. endo 03 is literally plushtrap's endo i believe. they aren't in tineline order. the classics were the withereds until they were remodeled in fnaf 1. otherwise we have 10 souls possesing two of the same set of characters, which we don't.
@@nota444tm2 the endo 02 is literally said to be a UPGRADE in the encyclopedia
So the unwithereds arent the first version
I think the reason they look different is after the bite of 87 they changed them to have a safer jaw
Chica obviously seems to disagree.
@@OzzieBo fnaf 1 Chicas jaw is safe bro
@@Mysterbithe means the ones from fredbear and friends and the new improved freddy fazbears pizza
The nightmares are illusions, we can see the sound illusion disc in nightmare
Yo I saw that game theory short 2 but u got to remember that’s just a theory GAME THEORY
@@spinok4ah a therapy
@@FatherJacob fixed
Bro this guy is soo behind all the FNaF lore. This is a debate that would be made 6 years ago
The thing is that fnaf 1 was open twice. First time fnaf 1 was open, there were model of models from fnaf 2. When fnaf 1 closed, animatronics were used for parts for toys. When fnaf 2 closes, fnaf 1 will be reopened with new rebuilded animatronics with models we know today. Im saying fnaf 1 and 2 all the time because Im now sure of pizzerias names
But hey that's just a theory a game theory we miss you matpat 😢😢
FNAF 1 was not before FNAF 2, it's not yet confirmed if it was Unwithered or just Fredbear's
Yeah @@antonioscholtenbut phone guy says in FNaF 2 "you may have noticed there are no doors for you to close" and "you don't have to worry about the place going dark." Implying that the location after Fredbear's but before FNaF 2 was the FNaF 1 location. After FNaF 2, the FNaF 1 location was reopened with the classic animatronics redesigned from the withereds.
Nope! The withereds are from Fredbear and freinds
@@thatoneintrovert9618bro mustve been born yesterday
The only issue that really blows your theory about the fnaf 1 animatronics not being haunted but just the mimic ai are golden freddy himself and the hallucinations that are implied to be the spirits.
The fnaf 1 animatronics are haunted. The toy animatronics are not.
I would day golden freddy isn't included in this making him the only spirit in the fnaf 1 building. It never made sense to me that fazbear would remake or fix an animatronic they were never going to use. My other video covering golden Freddy's hat color goes more in depth on what I think happened to golden freddy
The fnaf 1 animatronics are just as haunted as the toy animatronics. Take that how you will
@@MazeEdits526 Actually, NONE of them are haunted, all the games before fnaf help wanted are JUST games, not part of the lore at all
BTW that was sarcasm and i just need to put that out there how no ones absolutely devastated that the original pre steelwool scott fnaf games are also just games in the universe and that they mean little to nothing in the lore
The FNAF 1 animatronics are clearly possesed and are clearly just fixed and redesigned versions of the withereds and Follow me should be happening after FNAF 1 and i think the locations from FNAF 1 and 2 owned by Henry and not William i also think the FNAF 4 animatronics are build by William specifically for those experiments
Even thought i don't think that theory is true i still like the idea
The nightmare animatronics aren’t real they are as they are called nightmares on the dying child’s death bed
@@GrimReaper_TTV The Nightmares were originally supposed to be just Nightmares, but in SL you can clearly see that the FNAF 4 Gameplay is real, and also if that isn't enough prove, in the last Tales From The Pizzaplex Book there is a story called Dittophobia that comfirms that the FNAF 4 Gameplay is real and is William experimenting on children
@@nikolaytablet1394I thought that the controlled character in Fnaf 4 was Michael? I don’t remember which novel but there is a part where I think Michael draws pictures of the nightmares in vivid detail, which would not be possible for Evan in a deep coma to tell him.
The animatronics in FNAF1 are directly stated in game to be twenty years old. They literally can't have been built after FNAF2. As for why they look different from the withereds: the withered animatronics were deemed too scary for children so when they were being repaired the conpany probably took the chance to modernize the designs into something more kid friendly.
This explains "What have you brought home?" from the FNAF 4 trailer. William brought the suits "home."
It’s because fnaf 2 takes place before fnaf 1 fnaf 2s in 1987 and fnaf 1s in 1993 the withereds are the original ones from 1985 and fnaf 1 is the toy animatronics and the withereds parts melted together to create the fnaf 1 animatronics
I think the simplest theory and the most logical one
is that fazbear entertainment took the withereds to fnaf 1 and rebuild/remodeled them to look like the ones from fnaf 1 thats why only signs of the fnaf 1 animatronics still exist in security breach cuz the withereds dont exist anymore they basically got transformed into the ones from fnaf 1
This is exactly what I thought, it's so simple lmao, they redesigned them and got rid of the spare parts, it's literally what it said in the journal, how they kept the withereds in case they wanted to re-open
Good theory. The FNAF2 withered animatronic for sure were used in the FNAF4 experiments, but i don't think the FNAF1 animatronics are necessarily Mimic program for a simple reason. Scott didn't put any "mimic" during those times in any kind of media (nor the games, nor the books, nor the guides). I could plausibly think that the FNAF2 toy animatronics were use in some kind of way to make the FNAF1 animatronic (not only bc they are the most similar ones but they could be other endo 01 animatronics put into the case of the refactored Toy animatronics (thats why they would lack the facial recognition technology, but also because the puppet didn't follow them, when the puppet is usually trying to take care of the souls of the childrens). I would argue that you are almost alone in the office of FNAF1, only being haunted by golden freddy who is kinda absurd when it comes to powers (since he don't need an endo to haunt someone).
That's not a bad theory. I went into this only thinking fazbear lied about the withered animatronics being the same as the fnaf 1 animatronics, but it would also make sense for them to lie about scrapping the toy animatronics as well.
The fnaf 2 animatronics couldn’t have been used in fnaf 4. Fnaf 4 happened in 1983. Fnaf 2 was 1987…
@@officergreg1318 The CC incident happens in 1983 (minigames), there is no way of knowing for sure who is the protagonist of FNaF 4, so it can happen anytime
I got into this video again randomly on RUclips and forgot I wrote this theory, I failed to consider that the phantoms in fazbear frights have a withered foxy, withered Freddy and withered golden freddy. It's quite interesting how the mimic program was also on the chip that we extract from Baby in sister's location, maybe we retrieve it for fazbear entertainment to then use it in fnaf1? At least in dates it's plausible, and we have a clear proof that the guy that speak to us in sister's location is from fazbear entertainment and not Baby/Ennard
It's pretty simple really. The withered animatronics predate the originals by a good few years and date back to the partnership between Henry and William. They share design keys with the mediocre melodies, which we know we're a knock-off brand of Williams own Spring Bonny and Fredbear, and as such they were likely designed in partnership with William and Henry, using Williams characters and Henry's designs. William killed the kids, built the fnaf 2 location after the original got shut down and moved the now withered animatronics there to be used as parts for the improved toy animations which where specifically designed to root out criminals I.E William. then the location got shut down and the withered animatronics got repurposed into the designs we know as the original fnaf 1 robots
Scott cawthon literally said in the early days that the "theory they are haunted" was correct. He obviously didn't have the idea of the mimic all the way back then. I would also never use designs of the animatronics in this game as "proof" since they do change pretty much all the time. Springtrap and scraptrap are supposed to be the same animatronic/human thing.
Probably the same reason why peanuttrap looks so different from springtrap
Stormister actually has a great video on that topic exactly! If you haven't seen it already, I highly suggest it
@@TerminalError my idea on that is that its a bit of golden freddys suit
Peanuttrap is canon in our hearts
Meh, I still don’t think that’s a good enough reason to disprove it.
It's a spare Springbonnie.
I always thought they just added some new parts and redesigned the suits.
Same
Because that's what happened
@@MyUsersDark Yeah, IDK why so many people think some crazy time paradox happened here.
The discrepancies between the appearance of the Withereds and the "Classics" in FNAF1 is that their shells were repaired where necessary and the endo parts were left more or less intact. Try not to get too hung up on the concept of specific animatronics being possessed because that didn't get introduced till FNAF3 or even later. The spirits were haunting the whole facility because their remains (or rather the pieces of their remains) were still inside the totality of the Classics' parts collection. After decaying for long enough, inside the Withereds the remains are mistaken for rotted and rusted fabric/metal/plastic/foam. No one was the wiser while repairing the Withereds, I guess. I think it's safe to say the surface layer of the shells can be replaced without having to remove them from the endo. So the Classics went through 4 phases: Brand New, Withered by FNAF2, Refurbished/Clean after FNAF2, and moldy again by FNAF1. When Phone Guy says they are 20 years old, he is referring to how long it has been since they were brand new. Follow Me shows how they were dismantled in the FNAF1 location, but that doesn't mean they stayed that way. Someone could easily come along and reassemble them. Contrary to popular misconception, Afton didn't melt down the Classics to make the Funtimes. The Funtimes were imbued with remnant sourced from their own victims and Afton's experiment victims or at least that is what FFPS implies. I don't think they had remnant in them at all in Sister Location because remnant wasn't yet a thing lol.
The funtimes having their own victims seemed to have been common knowledge once, I don't know where melting down the old animatronics came from.
@@MyUsersDark There's this whole theory called "moltenMCI" which states that Afton turned the old animatronics' endos into remnant and injected that into the Funtimes for whatever reason and then the souls were all contained in Molten Freddy. It's inspired by the books where Afton combines the possessed animatronics into a single amalgamation. But the games' clues don't imply any such thing happened. The parts ended up at Frights and then Henry recovered them to make the Rockstars. That is what I believe 100%. The only spirit possessing Molten Freddy, if any, is Golden Freddy. The Haunted Plush Fredbear and Yenndo in SL heavily imply Golden Freddy is there.
Fnaf 4 is a nightmare that doesn’t actually happen so William didn’t make the nightmare animatronics
Although, some presume that based on the books, we might think that William used illusion disks to create the nightmares to punish/scare micheal
One possible answer is that fnaf 2 canonically comes before fnaf 1, and scott just decided to make new designs without any lore involved, implying that the animatronics were used for parts they just aren't as similar. Also, the nightmare animatronics most likely aren't real being creater by sound illusion discs. This is my personal belief of the fnaf lore, and it does not mean it's the canon. Great theorys!
"you may notice the older models sitting in the back room, those are from the PREVIOUS location" "new and improved freddy fazbears"
watching the video makes me miss old fnaf even more
Here’s how I see it, in stuff that takes place before FNaF 2 like possibly Freddy and Friends On Tour, the designs are more closer to the classic core 4 designs and Fredbear’s design being classic Freddy recolored.
I think the FNaF 1 designs could have been used at the 1985 Freddy’s location and once it shut down and was being replaced by the 1987 location, they changed the core 4’s design and endoskeleton build to fit with the new facial recognition like Phone Guy says in FNaF 2. The idea was scrapped because of how ugly the designs were and so they were left in the parts and service, and then once FNaF 1 came out, they retrofitted them back to the classic designs, I’d think this as something KINDA like the Showbiz Pizza and Chuck E Cheese Concept Unification
Spot on! This little detail from phone guy's call is always ignored thus the Un/Prewithereds never actually existed the Classic Designs are also seen "Into the Pit" with some of the book in 1985 in the graphic novel you don't spot the withered designs you spot the classic designs.
They were to different places
How is it possible that the whole community forgot this simple detail. Fnaf 2 happened before fnaf 1. Fnaf 2 withered animatronics were fixed using toy animatronics parts and put in the more low budget fnaf 1 pizzeria. This was figured out in 2015...
Why would the fnaf 2 and fnaf 1 animatronics be different fnaf two is a prequel to fnaf one which means that something has to happen to change the witherds man if only we could see that happen OH YEA we CAN! It is stated in the newspaper that the toys are being scraped due to not working right, and the withered will be revamped and brought back. *so why do they look different?” You may be asking and to that o answer with a question; why were the witherds left to rot in the first place? BECAUSE THEY WERE DEEMED TO SCARY FOR THE CHILDREN! So of course the fnaf 1 animatronics are gonna look different than the witherds because they were to scary!
The newspaper never says they are getting revamped. It says they are getting kept in the hopes of a reorganization of the company. They want to keep them because they know these animatronics work and they'll be working with a smaller budget if they can manage to open again. Now if something happens to the animatronics before the new location opens, let's say William steals them to make nightmare experiments and funtime animatronics, then the company would be forced to make new animatronics for the new location or be forced to shut down for good.
Nope! The withereds are from Fredbear and freinds😊
@@socialistre "..they are from the previous location" -Phone Guy
Thought it was obvious that they just used parts from the Withered when making the FNAF 1 animatronics hence why they aren’t a 1:1 copy
Phone guy says they are used for parts but says this when the toys are still around. I think those parts were used for the toys, not the fnaf 1 animatronics.
They used the parts for both
7:20 Something to note is that Phone Guy doesn't know about possession, he and the company are just coming up with their best guess - that's why they mention the whole "mistaking you for an endo" theory in FNaFs 1 and 2, they are making inferences based off of limited information and context. FNaF 1 is when the hauntings get introduced, and the building itself is visibly influenced by the spirits, what with the crying-child posters, "it's me" alterations on the wall and Pirate's Cove sign, and other changes like the newspapers and Golden Freddy poster.
Plus, FNaF 2's newspaper is very clearly telegraphing that they're using the Withereds for FNaF 1, so I don't see a reason to overcomplicate things by introducing the mimic. After all, if the Toys used parts from Withereds, the Toys are also probably partially haunted, so William can just use those parts to make Remnant Soup.
Yeah this whole vid and speculation just ignores the obvious presented to us
That's probably what Scott's intention was, the only real problem is that the animatronics share no parts as the suits are completely different and the FNAF 1 animatronics use Endo-1 while the Withered animatronics use Endo-2, so it is a reasonable question to ask.
If I had to make it make sense within the lore, i'd say the simplest explanation would be that the FNAF 1 endos were the original endos they had back in the 1985 FFP and they changed them for Endo-2s before deciding on the toys in the FNAF 2 location, splitting the MCI Remnant between the suits and the endos that eventually got reused with new suits on the FNAF 1 location.
The FNAF 2 calls say that they did try to upgrade the Withereds before making the toys so it would explain why the new and improved animatronics share the same endos as the old ones and what parts from the Withereds could be used for the toys, it would also be consistent with UCN Fredbear using Endo-1 since it would mean those had been in use since the first location and it could also work with the whole "Withered suits go to the FNAF 4 experiments thing", all without having to move the Follow me minigames from their original placement.
@@Tacozilla64 You do make some very good points, but I wouldn't call the suits themselves _completely_ different. They are more similar to the classic versions than they are different, as the heads are the most altered, everything else having minor changes like Chica's changed feet/shins, Bonnie's somewhat different colors, and Freddy and Bonnie's extra button(s). The suit with the most difference is probably Foxy's, as the torso withering is significantly changed, suggesting that he at the very least got a lot of suit repairs before going out of order _again_ before FNaF 1. They did all get redesigned for the new location, with different heads and some altered cosmetics.
I liked your theory! You went really, really far with this one, but still managed to make it mostly credible. There is a point that may take away a little of the credibility, though: We can assume that the FNaF 1 animatronics were possessed based on the FNaF 3 endings. The suits decorating Fazbear Frights are supposedly the same ones used by the actual animatronics, and both "Bad" and "Good" endings state that they are haunted by the missing children, or at least had some remnant in them. They could be random spares found by Fazbear Frights, sure, but that cuts the connection between the minigames and their location.
fnaf 4 was first in the timeline (1983) and fnaf 1 and sister location pretty much happened at the same time so mtheory is this:
after the events of fnaf 2, the company kept the withereds around to use later on and evantually rebuilt them into the rockstar animatronics
My guess is before making the toy animatronics they tried to redesign the older ones and decided cause of the smell just to use them for parts for new ones.
Let me say this, the withered animatronics were older than fnaf 1 models, the withered ones were there for the fredbear family diner fredbear's diner was older those withereds were from there and shut down completely because the bite of 1986s the fredbear kill, the fnaf 4 wasn't any experiment, because his son Evan, feared the fredbear robots, and after he got his head crushed he was brought to a hospital the fnaf 4 nightmares are him struggling to survive the skull crushing, those robots are how he! Sees them all, especially fredbear, and there's a game where it's him in the hospital dealing with being left behind in a abandoned hospital where all of the people are dead and there's nothing but the twisted ones there trying to kill the last Afton family member, since when he woke up William and Michael and Elizabeth were dead completely even as the robot forms, they couldn't rest with Evan still alive as the last Afton family member alive that caused William to go on a rampage and murder the kids
That's true.
Except, there's a good amount of evidence pointing to Michael being the fnaf 4 child.
The withereds aren't from fredbears, they don't have any spare parts in the parts and service room and we never see them in game.
Dittophobia also confirms that FNAF 4 is an experiment, and where did you get 1986 from?
@@MordasMakesStuffMichael was the sister location guard I thought that was obvious considering he was used as a skin suit which made his skin rot and he was fired for his smell
@@epicgamer-qh3vcdittophobia isn’t canon to the games 💀💀 and no the nightmares were literally a figment of the crying child’s mind
Reminding me of how glados in portal 2 looks so different from portal 1
Yes, they are the same, the reason its so different is partial continuity (scott made fnaf as a indie and didnt expect to make a sequel [well technically prequel] to this game)
fnaf 4 is the first game in cronologichal order, fnaf 2 is the second, third fnaf sister location,fourth fnaf 1 which after the events of fnaf william gets springlocked, fnaf 3 that is 2023, fnaf pizzeria sim, help wanted, and finally fnaf security breach, the reason fnaf 1 and fnaf 2 animatronics is to different is probably because the fnaf 4 animatronics have been destroyed by william after the bite of 83, but they not have been totally destroyed, this makes sense because in 1993 which are the fnaf 1 events, william destroy the animatronics to put an end to the proves that he is an assasin, he destroyed every single pizzeria, but then he found her fate in fnaf 1 been springlocked, but what explain why is nightmare animatronics is different even though the design is really like fnaf 2?, the disturbed and depressed mind of a 7 years old named crying child, when you have a disturbed mind your brain makes images of what is not real of turn normal things to other, and after all, its all a nightmare
I think that the whithered are the Afton's Family Diner animatronics, and so in Security Breech they didn't put them in the museum because of the Bite and because of William, but that doesn't explain why they're not in Help Wanted
I’m pretty sure the classic animatronics are from different times. The phone guy also said they retrofitted the older animatronics with some of the newer technology.
Yeah and FNaF 1 took place on 1993 (as its shown on the check at the end) and FNaF 2 was in 1987 (shown the same way FNaF 1 show it's date) so withered animatronics were made either during FNaF 4 (or Fredbear's family diner if you want to go by pizzerias, 1983) or around 1985 after the bite of 83 (where the crying child dies in Fredbears mouth) and the withered are the ones possesed, them the "old Freddy's" closed and they ysed withereds as spare parts for toys which could explain why they also move alongside withereds at night, then toys were scrapped completely after location from FNaF 2 got shut down snd they reused withereds to either upgrade them and change their suits to be the FNaF 1 animatronics or they were scrapped and destroyed like the toys and Fazbear Entertainment ysed some of the parts from withered animatronics while building the new models which is why FNaF 1 animatronics are possesed. But that's just a theory, a game theory!
(Btw sorry for my bad English. It's not my first language)
@@draimobthedragon-wolf8244 no problem mate it’s all good 👍🏻.
@@draimobthedragon-wolf8244FNAF 1 doesn't reveal the year on the check
Great Theory! Counterpoint: The Mimic is a Steel Wool plot point.
True, but that doesn't mean Scott doesn't agree with the Mimic. After all, he still put his name on the tales stories that first gave us the Mimic
"its just a theory, A GAME THEORY" -a legend
BRUH, I unironically got a FNAF AD for a FNAF Video 🤦🏼♂️
Your questions in the beginning of the videos that lead to this theory can be debunked pretty easily.
The withereds aren’t in the blob because 2 things, first, the withereds are the fnaf 1 animatronics, second, the animatronics in the blob aren’t the real animatronics from fnaf 1 and all that, the blob is the mimic’s victims possessing the endo parts and stealing parts from rockstar row that aren’t parts from the possessed animatronics because they were molten into the Funtimes.
We never saw the withereds again in any game because fazbear ent doesn’t want for the public to know about them, why would you advertise broken robots in your restaurants? “Why does normal Bonnie is missing his face in pizza party?” I’ve seen a theory that I believe in that states that the fixed withereds never existed.
Also, if the fnaf 1 animatronics weren’t possessed then why would fnaf 3 have the fnaf 1 animatronics in pieces instead of the withereds?
Oh, you do make a good point and this also just reminded me the one thing that’s debunking this video theory is the withered foxy arm hanging out of the box in the office in FNaF 3. If William really did take the suits and the endos then why would there be a full withered foxy arm in the box.
@@MarcGamesSudiosAndStuff
Thanks mate
No problem. 👍
There’s also something that I don’t really understand here if the FNaF 1 animatronics were really not possessed then why was the puppet following them around? Referring to the starting cutscene in FNaF 2. And also adds onto this debunk is that the puppet follow the souls and parts of the animatronics to the FNaF 3 location. If the animatronics really weren’t possessed then what’s the point of the puppet following them?
Edit: Oh yeah right I also forgot to mention this FNaF 3 bad and good ending debunked the theory because it shows the souls of the original, I am animatronics inside of the heads.
@@MarcGamesSudiosAndStuff
The puppet isn’t in the fnaf 3 location, that’s a hallucination because the giant golden Freddy head in fnaf 2 also has a reflection.
The fnaf 2 cutscenes, I don’t know if I believe that the puppet is on the fnaf 1 location of not.
Its in the lore, fnaf 1 takes place in 1993, fnaf2 takes place in the 1987,before freddy juniors (fnaf 2)
In 1983 - 1985 is where the og animatronics are from, but when reopening for fnaf 1, they probably remolded the old animatronics
There was another location after fredbears family diner but before the fnaf 2 location.
@@UIgogeta1987 i know thats where the first mci happened, but i dont remember the name so i just put 1983 - 1985 because thats when the restaurant was open
lol why do people debate this
The withereds are the animatronics from the old Fredbear’s location. That’s where phone guy said that they got them. At the end, it says that the old characters are being kept in hopes of a new location. Fnaf 2 takes place in 1987, where fnaf 1 takes place in 92-93 I believe.
The nightmare animatronics are hallucinations.
Ku jelasin buat kalian yang gak bisa bahasa Inggris, whitered animatronic dan original animatronic tidak sama karena dengan lebih jelas dan cepat whitered animatronic itu adalah animatronic yang sudah lebih dulu dari og animatronic, jadi urutannya adalah fnaf 2 baru fnaf 1 karena whitered animatronic ini akan diperbaiki ke og animatronic
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0:17 what song is this?
It sand dunes
No, it's alchemist's fantasy
Alchemist's Fantasy
bro trying so hardly ignoring fact that Withered Animatronics just got dismantled and their parts is used for FNaF 1 Animatronics -_-
FINALLY
Someone can agree that the withereds are similar to the nightmares!!
So maybe withered Bonnie has whiskers?
Blud has not seen a single video of gametheory 💀
Game theory is only like 30% right most the time
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@@Darkenededits Yuh
Bro think he the fnaf Oppenheimer 💀😭🙏🏻
I really like your theory, but I think that it was confirmed in the Dittophobia story that the nightmare animatronics weren't actual animatronics, but mannequins that combined with your biggest fears, they would look like them. But the idea of the withereds being used for the FNAF 4 experiments is pretty cool!
Thank you! I do think dittophobia says that they are blank mannequins, but to me, it makes more sense that the gas would make intense nightmares of what you are already seeing. Otherwise, how would the kid see different animatronics at each door and not just see the same ones. Obviously, there is no real evidence for this, but it just logically makes sense to me.
Also, Scott originally said there weren't Easter eggs in fnaf 4 because they had meaning behind them, and the designs matching feels like it's one of these choices that had a meaning.
@@TerminalError It's that kind of series, it doesn't need to make a whole lot of sense.
I think Fnaf 4 is the crying child having a nightmare after being put into a coma. That is the most obvious one. The child got is frontal lobe bitten off, which caused him to go into a coma. In the coma, he is forced to relive the same nightmare until he wakes up (or dies). I think that surviving against the animatronics is the crying child's way of clinging to life. I also think that if he dies in the nightmare, he dies in real life.
@@MCAiryn It's not CC. We can hear things such as the FNAF 1 phone call from the first, meaning that it's Michael the one who has the nightmares. But to me it's just Michael dreaming about the times he was put in the experiments by his dad.
@@ben.romusicstop fnaf 4 is cc the crying child we literally hear the flatline at the end of the game which is also why we play as a child in fnaf 4 not an adult
I love it when ppl are like, “guys i have a new and groundbreaking fnaf theory” when its obvious they just joined the fandom or its obvious they know nothing about it
That's straight up copuim, how about you create an good argument instead of throwing childish insults.
@@Geo-Global-oz5klhe has a point tho, this video seems pretty useless when 90% of the fandom already know what happened to the withereds after fnaf 2, and the mimic literally wasn’t even a thing until the books after SB
@@Geo-Global-oz5kl yeah i mean im not trying to just sound like an asshole for no reason, to be frank i dont really care. its just a pattern i noticed that was kinda amusing. fnaf lore is going is circles so bad people still make videos on discoveries that are already common consensus
Development standpoint: Scott decided to do a redesign.
Lore explanation: Minor redesign to update the old cast during refurbishing.
Ok there should not be a debate for this. The fnaf 2 witherds are a 1983 variant of the 1992 animatronics. As you can see the dates are completely different as the 1983 animatronics move on to 1987 where it is fnaf 2 and the new ones are remodeled into the 1992 variants. Hope this helps 😅
Great theory but it has ONE problem… the Nightmare animatronics were most likely created around the time 1983 because of the home that we are in during the near bite of 83, the Withered animatronics were in the time of 87 which couldn’t be possible unless the Withered’s were made BEFORE the Nightmares were made. The evidence given seems to be more around the Sister Location animatronics but the code pad that is near the Fredbear plush needs the code “1983” which shows the cameras to FNAF 4, this implies that Sister Location was created after Fredbear’s Family Diner was built. Which means that the Withered’s couldn’t be made AFTER the bite of 1987, the Nightmare’s seem more newer than the Withered’s.
If anyone doesn’t believe this theory, than try to figure out on your know.
Then don't forget fnaf 3, fnaf 3 have the withered parts there
@@alexjackyperson101 Yes, but the phantoms aren’t real but could be the souls of some of the animatronics OR could be a hallucination.
@@GuadiansOfTheUniverseGAMINGThe nightmares aren't real either, they are literally in the kid's head. They're not called NIGHTMARE animatronics for nothing.
@@FloridaBoyOnRUclips yes I know but though it is in the kids head… why would Willam have cams in the sister location office and have cameras where the nightmare Bonnie and Chica attack at if I remember
@@GuadiansOfTheUniverseGAMING No idea, but I recently saw a video talking about the entire fnaf storyline from fnaf 4 all the way to security breach, and the guy said that William Afton implemented the nightmare animatronics in the kid's head to scare him away from getting close with any animatronics so that the kid didn't get killed by one like how Elizabeth got killed previously. And he also mentioned that William Afton put secret cameras in the kid's room to monitor him or something like that. It was all strange to me.
I really think that he melted the toy animatronics down to make the funtime animatronics. Because, where did the DCI go after FNaF 2? Scrapped just means that they were withered, so they could still be possessed. We already know that the MCI victims’ souls were released in FNaF 3, so the DCI victims’ souls would’ve been released from Molten Freddy in FNaF 6. Not to mention that the funtime and toy animatronics have many physical similarities (compare Funtime foxy with mangle). And if FNaF 4 happened after 1987, then how does the bite of 83 exist?
But your theories are quite interesting. Another nice video!
The funtimes were either before or after fnaf 1 and 2 considering people say the fnaf 1 souls were basically put into the funtimes when they’re animatronics were melted to make the funtimes idk how true that is
Wowowow you have a good point!
if they arent haunted , where did the blood dripping out of the animatronics come from?
I'm assuming you mean the blood referenced in the fnaf 1 newspapers. I think those newspapers are all referencing the animatronics after the MCI, but before the building gets closed so the bleeding would be the withered animatronics (maybe before they are withered).
The candy robot at the end of ruin says that the mimic was locked up for many years
The withered animatronics are from Fredbears Family Diner, the reason they are withered is because they took parts off of them to use on the toy animatronics, the fnaf 4 theory doesn’t work because fnaf 4 isn’t real. It’s apart of the childs mind after he got the big chomp on his frontal lobe, and is sleeping having “nightmares.” The animatronics are a figment of his imagination and the way he saw the animatronics before they were withered. Hope I was able to clear things up, if I’m wrong correct me nicely
Also I’m not trying to be rude fr sorry if I came off that way
Enjoyed ur theory, but when u said that william used the withereds to make the funtimes it felt kinda wrong, seeing as how the funtimes were already built before that, all he needed was the remnant to fuel the funtimes, so in 1993, william enters the fnaf 1 location, and those are actually fnaf 1 animatronics that u see in the follow me minigames its just a small minigame inconsistency that scott was too lazy too change so he just kept it there, so as william goes there he breaks those robots and takes the endos, melts it and injects it into the funtimes
You are correct that the funtimes only need the remnant injected, but Scott isn't a lazy developer. If there's something left in the game there's a reason for it. This guy made 4 games in 1 year and made completely different models for each game. He also removed fnaf world because he wasn't happy with it. If this little detail was wrong, it would've been changed
@@TerminalError yes you do have point, but i do still believe that its the fnaf 1 animatronics remnant william used to inject the funtimes with
It's actually because when they repaired the animitronics they changed there design
bro forgot about the bite of 83
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I always thought that: fnaf 1 animatronics are the fnaf 2 withered animatronics but refurbished since fnaf 1 is after 2.
Has no one here watched game theory 💀💀💀
the fnaf 2 animatronics are the fnaf 1 animatronics. the fnaf 2 gang were just modified and modernized fully. in fnaf 2 the phone guy states such
Phone guy says they will be kept for a new location on a smaller budget, that doesn't mean they were used for that location. Fazbear Entertainment loves lying to people and if they say they're doing something, we should look twice.
@@TerminalError i think its plausible enough to say that the fnaf 2 gang is the fnaf 1 gang. they are both haunted and have similar enough designs. theres also the fact that at the time scott wasnt really putting that much thought into these things .
Nice video, though all that Mimic stuff probably isn´t canon to the older games. I personally am still convinced they just used the endos of the Withereds to make the FNAF 1 endos and then slapped a new casing on them. That´s how the ghosts transferred.
Could happen. Not saying the old theory is wrong but this feels like it fills more holes in other theories. I'm pretty sure matpat couldn't decide where to put sister location on his timeline and this theory I feel puts it in a solid spot
Ok so uh question:
How ,many freaking children did william kill? Like 50+ animatronics💀
Also
Probably william and henry funded fredbear family diner, they then wanted to add more animatronics so they made the withered (unwithered obv) and renamed it to fedbear and friends
In 1983, then after the bite they shut it down, they then funded fnaf 2 and then the place would close down for the bite of 87. After a while henry funded fnaf 1 pizzeria AND william cbpw (circus baby pizza world). Michael would work at fnaf 1 and set fire to it AND work at cbpw (circus baby pizza world)in 2022. then a reboot would be made in 2000-2003. With animatronics made with withereds. So thats why the animatronics look like the withereds in follow me minigame.
William would then destroy those animatronics, be springlocked and become springtrap in the year 2023 (fnaf 3). Michael would then set on fire fnaf 3. Fnaf 4 is just cc (crying child) nightmares. And Michael would go to cbpw (circus baby pizza world), get scooped and then in 2030 william and Michael would go to fnaf 6 (freddy fazbear's pizza) and then end it all.)
Now, the mimic might be 3 things.
1) burntraps or springbonnie endoskeleton
2) william afton
3) an endoskeleton out of the blob with ennard's chip because ennard had the ability to mimic cb (circus baby) voice.
We know William killed Charlotte, The Five missing kids, Another set of five kids that makes the fnaf 2 location close during the summer and reopen during the fall of 1987 when Fnaf 2 takes place due to the paychecks, and then that's about it. There could be more victims and we have a victim named Andrew but it's unaware if he's canon to the games he's a symbolism for Cassidy
Scott probably didn’t want to copy and paste the FNaF 1 models into the game.
Yes thank you!
But wasn't fnaf 4 a dream in the lore?
It was
This is why I miss mat pat
I think phone guy might know about the MCI(the missing childrens incident)so he knew the children had been possesing for about 20 years
From the way he acts, it definitely seems like he at least learns about the MCI and possessed animatronics over the years. He sounds really calm in the fnaf 3 tapes and gets more suspicious and nervous from fnaf 2 to fnaf 1
it's pretty easy actually, when they refurbished the Withereds they went through a redesign, so they didn't just repair the suits but instead replace completely, and that makes sense considering how the company was struggling economically, it was much cheaper to just replace the suit than the whole animatronic, so they sold the Toys and kept the newly revitalized Withereds. snd in Bonnie's case, well it's just an arm and the face, it's still cheaper to fix 2 pieces than the whole thing
This theory is amazing and I enjoy hearing different theories. This is amazing. YOU’VE EARNED MY SUB ❤
speak a little louder man the music has a higher decibel count than your voice sometimes
The Mimic was Made Post-FNaF1 so this theory falls apart realistically, that and the fact the Animatronics’ possess themselves and the soul splitting never happens until Sister Location.
By your "post fnaf 1" logic, anything introduced in a later game can't change the Lore of the previous games. This would mean the puppet doesn't give the animatronics life, the saferooms don't exist, springlock suits aren't a thing, and purple guy still has no name
Unless you meant the mimic animatronic itself wasn't made until after fnaf 1 which is still wrong. It's said in the books the Mimic was made when the characters went from felt suits to animatronic.
@@TerminalError I’m talking timeline wise, not Gameline. Even then Mimic wasn’t even involved with Fazbears Ent until Security Breach.
@@SonZackSSJ9kwell, storywise, the Mimic was made in the early 80s, and FNAF 1 takes place in the early 90s. I don’t agree with this theory personally, but the Mimic was made way before the events of FNAF 1.
@@joshuawynne329 Yeah but it wasn’t involved with Fazbear Ent until Security Breach.
@@SonZackSSJ9k There is a theory that the Mimic actually was with Fazbear Ent. in Help Wanted, before Security Breach, and if Henry made the Mimic and helped with the animatronics since the 1980's...
Although I don't like to believe the animatronics in FNAF 1 aren't haunted, that would explain why Freddy's behavior in FNAF 1 and 2 is so different. In the first game he moves quickly in the dark and avoids being seen, while in FNAF 2 he is a big bulky fella who shows himself whenever he is in your office.
5:12 sister location is after fnaf four and fnaf four is in 1983 so sister location is in middle or late 1983-1985
Why Does This Make Actual Sense
so, you are saying that the fnaf 1 animatronics are not hunted? it does not make sense, how do you explain golden freddy, all the "its me" alucinations, and the poster that sometimes shows the spirits of the dead children?
Why is mr house yappin about FNAF, doesn't he have New Vegas
In my opinion, a more simple explanation is that because the suits of the withered models were all run down, they just got refurbished, getting new heads and repairs and whatnot. Additionally, I thought the ending to fnaf 3 was a shot of the animatronics heads sitting outside the safe room. They are the fnaf 1 heads, not the withered heads. This leaves me to think he disassembles the fnaf 1 models in the building after the fnaf1 location shuts down.
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Here’s my explanation. Firstly, the withereds originally had the Endo 1 models but were then retro fitted with Endo 2 models. Phone guy said “they even started retro fitting them with some of the newer technology…” This explains why chicas jaw is broken since the Endo 2 jaws are bigger than the Endo 1 jaws. They were then restored with new more basic casings and had their original Endo 1 models put back. This makes sense judging how the fnaf 1 location had a way smaller budget so using the old characters with the basic Endo 1 would be way cheaper.
After waching this, I dont think imma pass my Maths Test,this is in my brain now
I think FNAF 1-UCN should be considered its own standalone canon.
The original explanation for this was that there were simply multiple locations, each with their own set of animatronics. The pizzeria became a successful chain and a corporate entity.
ive always assumed that fredbears had the unwithered versions of the withereds, but in a different area of the pizzeria. that would also explain why the nightmares look similar to them, because the crying child wouldve seen the unwithered ones in fredbears
The only problem with this Theory is Golden Freddy, we know he’s canon, and we know he hasn’t been messed with (or at least we think) and so it makes no sense that Golden Freddy has a matching style to the FNAF 1 animatronics.
I actually have a theory on my channel that covers that! It's the one going over his different hat colors across the games
@@TerminalError Oh, I’ll make sure to watch the full thing!
Fredbears family diner was opened in the 70's, where the golden springlock animatronics were used. In the early 80's they added the ''withered'' animatronics. When they closed Freadbears family diner in 1983 (Bite of 83 incident), they opened the new Fredbears Pizzeria with the toy animatronics. After they had to close again dure to Foxy biting a child in the bite of 1987, they opened yet another Freddy Fazbears Diner, which Fnaf 1 takes place in, year being 1992. 1992 is the correct year, I've read soemthign about the reasoning but I don't quite remember. Fnaf 3 logically is then 1993, where Afton acts as Springtrap. This would be my timeline theory
there is only 1 explanation. When Fredbears closed in 1983, Fredbear and springbonnie were taken to a scrapyard, but the other spring animatronics (Spring Freddy Spring Bonnie Spring Chica Spring Foxy) were taken to fnaf 2 during construction. Parts were taken from the animatronics to make the toys which made THEM withered. After fnaf 2 in 1987, they were taken somewhere and rotted even more so it turned them IGNITED, therefore causing the events in TJOC.
My cannon on the reason why is because fnaf 1 happened first then fnaf 2, stuff happened between that time and the animatronics maybe got updated, then being dismantled made them look even further worst, then someone made a lore video making the creator retcon his own timeline making the design different hard to justify