Why are the Jumbo-jets disappearing?
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- Опубликовано: 9 авг 2018
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Why are the Boeing 747 and the Airbus A380 loosing ground against competing aircraft types? Why aren't these majestic giants of the sky ruling like they once were and what does the future look like for them.
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You should change the pillow on your right to green, so that we know which way the couch is facing.
Hahaha! I have actually thought of doing that, I’m such a nerd....
Mentour Pilot how you feel, that Joe flies with B747?
ΑΡΗΣ ΚΟΡΝΑΡΑΚΗΣ What do you want him to say? That he’s jealous now? Good on Joe that he made it there.
ΑΡΗΣ ΚΟΡΝΑΡΑΚΗΣ I guess that in his inner he is crying because of it but he will never admit that.
Hahaha...And an additional white pillow at top center
A380s are so lovely to fly in, quiet, roomy, smooth. Of course the airline business model doesn't give a rat's arse about passenger comfort. Great video.
From a passengers point of view no other airplane can touch the A380. My girlfriend is afraid of flying. Only knowing we are flying in A380 takes of some of the preasure.
I honestly dont care a bit less comfort for a cheaper price, and Im sure most people agree with me
And they don't give a rats arse for passenger safety either.
@@da4127 Regional, sure. International: No way. 16+ hours on a plane I'm clawing on the doors trying to get out, my entire body revolts. I hate nothing more than the discomfort of being stuck in cattle class for almost an entire day.
So, to add to my point: I find it very sad that mainstream supersonic flight never became a thing. It's hard and not economical etc. etc. But it's still a damn shame. I would mind international travel a hell of a lot less if it was just FASTER.
I remember the pride that those of us who worked on the A380 felt when it first flew, The first flight of the A350 didn't illicit the same feelings. For all its commercial failing the A380 still stirs my heart like no other Airbus type.
~ That upstairs lounge in the 747 was quite nice.
I would feel very safe & comfortable with this man piloting my flight. 👍🏼
@@bfc3057 how do you know for sure he is a pilot? He tells you he is a pilot even before he says hi to you.
Ive heard he Drinks alot. 😃😃
Two other problems that jumbo jets face.
1) Not all airports have the physical space for such planes. Fully loaded and fueled, these craft require very long runways to take off. They require more space on the ground and in the hangers.
2) It takes a very long time to load and unload such planes. For a variety of reasons, airline companies utilize inefficient methods to get passengers on and off. Turn-around time is critical to keep costs down. Trying to process hundreds of passengers faster would require utilizing multiple gates & jetways, and thus more scarce space at the terminal.
Small fact, The A380 does not use more RWY to takeoff or land than a B777
Is it just me or I get amazed seeing such giant planes take offing and landing
take offing? what english variaton is that?? i think you mean taking off..
@@n3on_face659 What English variation does not use capitalization???
@@richardwheeler6115 Capitalisation. There's no Z in capitalise.
@@ashterfadgadget817 In the U.S. there is! 😁
(And there's no "u" in "color" ! 😉)
@@ashterfadgadget817 yes there is
I've now flown from the UK to NZ by A380 over a dozen times to see my daughter and family who emigrated there. Wonderful aircraft, it'll be a sad day when it's withdrawn.
Apart from the fact that I'd love you to be the Captain each time I'm in the air, your knowledge of the workings of the Aviation industry is amazing. From 14:10 you made a spot-on prediction that has actually come true. The Airbus A380 program has been scrapped and Emirates canceled a lot of their A380 orders which dealt the final blow to the entire program.
I've never been that interested in aviation but after finding your channel by chance after chasing so many RUclips rabbit holes, I'm learning quite a lot of things. Thanks for sharing the knowledge!
I’ve had some of my smoothest flights/takeoffs and landings in an a380- passenger
throughout the video, i felt like i was in his house, having a normal afternoon chat. QUALITY.
It's gonna be so sad when we wont see these big fellas flying anymore...so majestic and beautiful...
Yeah, I fully agree.
also worth noting is that after 2001, security went crazy. no longer transferring to a new plane being a quick affair. another kick in the balls for the hub & spoke model.
One would think that a stamp on the back of your hand that was different every day should be all that a transferring person should need to show that they have already been cleared. But maybe the government doesn't care about your inconvenience.
Depends on the country (and which country your initial flight arrived from). I don't remember having to go through security so often when flying in Europe. I fly regularly Paris to Moscow, and often it is cheaper transfer tickets for me. Have not had to clear security on those either way - except when flying Swiss. That may be different in the US I guess.
You’d rather have a good chance of getting jacked? Watch plane jackings on RUclips and see how many end well. I’ll take an extra few minutes over slamming into something at 500 mph.
That is a underappreciated point. This is another way in which troglodytes from a medieval hell have fucked up a great invention of western civilization and more reason why they should be exterminated like the deadly pests that they are.
With t-ray machines, security could be very quick and easy, with the need for few people. Unfortunately, these machines do not vote.
I love all the Swenglish variants Petter uses, they are so logical and fill niche expressions. Shrudder is definitely in my vocabulary now.
Not sure he how I ended up watching plane videos but love this guy's voice and accent, really easy to listen to and informative. Does this mean I am now turning into a plane nerd, lol
Me too!
I always asked this question. Glad to know the answer to this amazing video. Of course I enjoyed it Petter, see you on Sunday only if you don’t have early :)
"Glad to know the answer to this amazing video"
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I think he meant he is pleased to learn of the answer to the question posed at the start of the video - ie: why are the giants disappearing? Not everyone's first language is English - just wish my foreign languages were as good as his English is.
RS Aviation Ironic how Airbus intentionally stopped making parts for the Concorde because it was rolling out the A380 and thought that jumbo was the future. Now the Concorde would be ideal
DS Analysis IMO if Concorde was ideal today, you would se competitors aiming for that segment. Boeing predicted today's market and went for the 787 and 777-300 ER. Better economy/environment, comfort and safety than the narrow niche segment Concorde satisfied.
Concorde was an interesting platform but way to expensive to fly and maintain. If a 777 could go supersonic, you'd have a Concorde Killer. But the power "hill" to climb over the sound barrier is too steep for that to be practical.
I really dislike the trend to smaller aircrafts. A 7 hour flight with Lufthansa and the 747-8 or A380 is so much nicer than the 6.5 hour flight with United where they cram people into their terrible 737-900.
Just had a 5 hour United flight on a 737. It was miserable.
What do you expect from United?
@@bmwf1joel well after that nothing. But from what I've heard all of the US airlines pretty much suck, or is there a better one?
Wow. A 737 for a flight as long as that? The trips that I took that took 7-8 hours were in Boeing 757 and 767's and even a 777 on one trip. I can't imagine making a trip of that length in a 737, even a long endurance variant.
FalconX88 JetBlue and Alaska have been pretty decent at least in my experience
Recently discovered your channel, it's absolutely fantastic! :) Have watched so many of your videos already, just from an interested in aviation point of view. Would love to hear what you think on this type of aircraft, or any now we have faced a major global incident. One of the best and most informative channels out there. Pease keep the videos coming! Cheers!
I only fly a380s on long haul out of Australia, so sad in some years they all will be gone... will make the most of them.
Same here!!..... China southern business class A380!!.......... 😍.
I’ll miss Pan Am, they were well before my time but I’ll miss them
Pan Am sold tickets to the freeking MOON! 'Nough said.
Same here, an aviation institution - that wire globe logo, one of the signs of the times (that I wasn't quite around for, but still).
I do still have a pair of TWA wings and, more excitingly, a still-sealed packet of honey roasted peanuts ! No clue why I felt it necessary to keep them 😬
@@richardwheeler6115 too true ! Think I need to check out the ads for that again 😎
@Tony El they got screwed big time . It was an Amazing airline , 747 is part of its' legacy .
@@danielwanner8708 can you elaborate?
Like OP, I feel this bizarre nostalgia not just for PanAm, but also TWA, so I'd love your info, experiences, and (most importantly for me lol) hot takes!!
Very nice videos you making, very interesting from a passenger side of view to see how it works, thanks and keep it up:)
Crisp. Very well presented without the jargon. Nice job Mentour Pilot
Great video, excellent work. Thank you for sharing.
The big fellas are a *beautiful* sight to see, hope they don’t disappear
I'll be fine whats going to replace them. The BFR lol jk. Cheap mass rocket planetary travel will be the replacement just won't be SpaceX as the main provider, just the kickstarter company.
Point is I'm fine with cheap rockets replacing these slow fat metal birds. Rockets are the future especially when the rich start to take advantage of the under 30min travel time to the other side of the planet. Ya metal birds won't compete sorry bud.
An-225 Mriya ... ;-)
agreed and i dont see that changing for probably 100-150 years - that might be enough time for fusion rockets and automation/AI systems to drive spacecraft enough to make it safe enough for regular travel (the tv show and novel series " the expanse" comes to mind). Chemical rockets are just too dangerous and will be reserved for automated probes or exploration flights to Mars. Fusion research projects like the Lockheed device or the Bussard Polywell might pay off in 10-15 years - if so they will first be installed in subs and large naval missile cruisers and aircraft carriers. As the tech is refined I figure another 10-15 years beyond that before they are used for power generation in space (or to power various electro-magnetic based drive systems like Ion drives or VASIMR). With more advanced anuetronic fusion (harder to do) you might have fusion powered aircraft (the size of an a380 or b747 etc). Such A/C would need minimal radiation shielding and have insane range - that would change things but I figure thats 50+ years off at a minimum. As time went on the fusion plants would slowly get smaller and lighter.
Why couldn't we have suborbital planes that hop over the Earth Say London to Sydney or such? Travel in a an arc shape
I think maybe a ramscoop may be better than rockets. Naturally aspirated combustion is always safer and cheaper. Why haul an oxidizer if you can just let your engine breathe atmosphere?
Excellent video! Quite informative.
I'm watching this in 2022, and I am really interested to find out how the COVID pandemic has affected this hub system idea. Of course, it wouldn't help the case of the jumbo jets, but in terms of fewer flights flying, is the air industry re-prioritisng the idea of the hubs again?
Excellent job! Thanks for sharing your knowledge. It really helps to understand the way the airlines and airplane manufacturers think
Its a shame, I love massive giants in the sky. Its just amazing to see.
True that!
Probably because the costs to run the aircraft
Emirates also very aggressively prices their connecting flights, so you get situations where flying many hours out of the way on Emirates will still be hundreds of dollars cheaper than flying the most direct routing. Not likely to attract a lot of business class travelers but will attract budget conscious coach passengers. Just looked at Melbourne to Johannesburg as an example and it was $300 cheaper on Emirates than the next cheapest option... and was $800 less than the shortest option... MEL-SYD-JNB
I hope to get to fly on an A380 before it's retired for good. It's just super cool to see a plane that big. It's so striking when you see it taking off.
REALLY enjoy your vids!! So clearly explained and interesting topics.
I love the A380! It is an awesome plane to fly with! It’s like a ship.
I'm glad i got a glimpse of aviation as a kid when it was still exciting. DC-10's, 727's, MD-80's, 737 Classic, 747's... i rode on them but was too young to really remember except for the 737 Classic. Now, every airplane is exactly the same. A quiet, plastic twin. You can't even tell planes apart unless you are an aviation enthusiast and know a lot about planes.
One of the memories i cherish most is as a little kid pre-9/11, hanging out at the terminal waiting for my grandma's plane to pull in (either a 737 Classic or MD-80), and watching a passenger DC-10 come barreling down the runway and rotating right in front of me, and watching it vanish into the clouds, while the entire airport shook. I will never forget that. You don't hear the planes anymore at that same airport. If it is due to quieter planes or better sound-proofing, i'm not sure. But the airport has become a boring place.
Yes, some of the soul disappears when the planes get to technical. The upside is better environment and less noise pollution around the airports... but I know what you mean.
Part of what hurts the flying experience for me is, everyone just tends to be on their phone now.
In the 90's and 00's, you could talk with people, and most everyone seemed friendly, or at least willing to have a short chat waiting for that next flight, but now.... Everyone just seems so cold and cut off in their own world.
Making it worse, you're right. The roar of the engines is gone, the amazing shapes of diverse types all gone and replaced by various sizes of essentially the same aircraft, regardless of maker. It's quite sad.
Mentour Pilot no disrespect to the NG of course! The NG is my second favorite 737 generation, after the Classic haha. And it remains possibly my favorite modern airliner.
I rode on several DC-10's and L-1011's in the 70's. Marvelous airplanes with lots of room.
The 727 was retired so early because they could not reduce its noise, so yeah
Rewatching this after today's announcement to shut down the A380, your videos are great dear Mentour. Thank you so much !!
The twin-engine 767 began the trend towards getting rid of four engine jets in the 1980s. Once the 777 came along and was such a huge success, this hammered the first nail into the coffin of four-engine passenger jets. Successful ETOPS certifications of the 767 and 777 said it all: Four-engine passenger jets have became instant dinosaurs.
Well said.
Good analysis. ;)
I think it’s such a pity that the A380 hasn’t been more successful - as a passenger, it’s one of the most comfortable (not to mention the quietest) aircraft to travel on. I will actively seek it out in planning long haul trips. As others have said, there is the possibility it could have a renaissance if more airports become slot-constrained.
I found the 747-400 to be better, in my personal experience.
Nearly all of my Long Haul has been in 878's or 777's, with a few other types thrown in. Of note, the United Air Lines 747-400 from NRT to LAX, and a Delta A330 from NRT to SEA (I hated that flight.)
Most of my long flights tend to start from LAX. The A380 just..... Wasn't that outstanding for me.
James brown I guess it comes down to personal preference and the airline cabin. I flew Qantas A380 from Sydney to LAX and was really impressed. I flew back San Francisco to Sydney on a 747-400 and it just felt tired, outdated, noisier and less spacious in comparison. But don’t get me wrong, the 747 is a beautiful aircraft ... she’s just showing her age. 😉😂👍
Slot constraints are more of an issue in a hub-spoke configuration than in a point-to-point configuration. A lot of smaller airports end up having capacity to spare, and nothing to do with it, while the hubs almost inevitably overload.
I remember my former company being the launch customer for the A380. We were the first commercial technicians/engineers for this giant...man were we proud. At least i knew i was. She wasn't the easiest to work on...that honour goes to the 777's. But she was an engineering marvel. I never got tired of watching her take-off or land.
I don't think she'll be disappearing anytime soon though, at least not in the next decade. But i do agree with your points, and I'd like to add that with jet-fuel prices going crazy and the advent of budget carriers, we will see less and less of the flying behemoths.
Great video 👍
Man with you it’s not just flight technology. You break everything down that has anything & everything with airplanes & aviation while keeping it interesting & informative . I also like the fact that you are a good & positive encouragement for people Who need help & guidance in their studies . Really enjoy your videos.
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your movie is so greta, you're speaking perfect fluently, like my cousin Marko Kralj, the main captain of Aribus A380 Emirates! I am so so proud of you! 👍🏼
Great Video, a very well explained and logically organised friendly chat! I've flown long distance on Boeing 777, Boeing 747 and Airbus A380 in cattle class every time, and I must say, the A380 is by far the most comfortable, especially when flown by Qantas. Not only that but the Qantas cabin crew were polite, friendly and very hard working, the food was good, the other passengers were well behaved and the seats had decent legroom. I won't name the worst, but on one airline the passengers were noisy, bad tempered and boorish, the food was awful and I was made to feel I really was in cattle class. The flying experience depends on so many different variables, some get it right and others fail. I've experienced both.
@Chloe Moon guessing it's a U.S. carrier!
Think Quantas was good, try Singapore Air.
Don't be scared to say
Completely agree with you. A380 felt so stable I can't feel any turbulence.
@@azvinlazuardy yeah its a pretty good plane to bad its production was stopped and it isnt being used much anymore :C
I flew Emirates A380 business class earlier this summer. It was amazing. I have never had business class that nice.
Pete Brown I’ve never had business class
Emirates has a high standards on all models.
also the economy in a380 compaired to others is nice. had a ride this summer from DUS to DUB and back.
Same. I flew Qatar to Sydney in business class. It was extraordinarily nice. I showed up to Sydney feeling completely rested and ready to work.
A lot of great information... you explained the situation very well....thanks
I heard the 747 was always referred to as the Mother and every pilot loved to fly her because of her smooth ride and ease at flying her.
I haven’t heard that term, but I remember they called it the Queen of the Skies.
Still "The Queen".
Aesthetically classic 747 destroys the frumpy A380.
Really ? 🤣
I disagree with removing B-747 and A-380 from the service. For trans-atlantic or trans-pacific flights those smaller airplanes are horrible. We're going backwards in comfort, instead of advancing forward. Everything is downsizing, cost-reducing and shrinking in the bloody 21st century. Crisis after crisis, saving on everything, all products are getting cheap, fragile, unreliable, with planned obsolescence built-in.
@ Zex Zex
Good point. Indeed, the 747 was a great gain in comfort when it came up. May be, if some company tries to offer it, there will be demand for it.
I've noticed listening to ATC tapes on here that there have been quite a few diversions due to medical emergencies of A380s, makes sense when you think about it 600 people on board there's more chance of one being taken ill than a 400 seat plane, then you have to start thinking about diversion airports and dumping a whole lot of fuel.
@@wycombewanderer6649
well, none of my numerous flights was ever diverted because of medical problems - so I think that there is no significant difference between a plane for 400 or 600.
Diversion in A380s may to some regard come from the fact that elderly people tend to spend more on traveling than younger ones. A 20 years old wants to see the world, a first-class-cabin is out of interest.
Welcome to XXIth century's capitalism. The good old days of the welfare state are long gone.
@@mytwocents7464
I wouldn't call getting paid for work adequately 'welfare'.
This was excellent. I felt like I was having a Sunday chat with a smart friend! I just wonder what types of geopolitical changes could happen to bring the "giants roaring back."
For some reason this vid turned out to be a very good business lecture.
A flight in an A380 is just outstanding... a pity it's discontinued.
The 747 has never failed commercially. It's nearly 50 years old and served it's purpose.
A little simplistic:: the 747 doesn't really sell now either, and certainly not on sufficient numbers to justify the -8 development costs, even though much of it is still 1960's tech (pqrts of the wings, much of the airframe and controls..
@@shebbs1 747-8F will continue to sell for years. 777-9x will replace 747-8i for most purposes though.
...and still does it better than anything else in the sky.
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a747s, in all variants, carry more in any three-month period that all A-380s will in all of their time in service, ever. They only say about 1p years of production and they're beginning to scrap them because the leasing companies that own them can't find any takers for them in the used market.
Agree, 747 served its purpose during it's time, unfortunately the 380 was 20 years too late. The 380 is spectacular though!
I don't care so much about why they aren't using HUGE jets anymore as why does every airline suck now? I remember as a kid in the 90s the level of service on a plane was awesome! Food was good, they gave you an ENTIRE can of pop instead of a tiny cup with 4 ice cubes and 2 oz of pop. Airplanes were clean and people were polite. I've been on some flights that are less comfortable than a weekend in a county jail.
I never thought airline food was that good. Don't really miss it. Airport amenities at least at the larger airport are better than past. Rather have a nicer meal at the airport than reheated so so meal on the aircraft. On longer International flights you still get meals. As for full can of pop, just ask. Most times they will give you a full can. I ask all the time and only once was I told no and only reason they didn't give full can, they were running low.
I feel we have more choices in airlines and flight options than the past. We want to fly cheaply and this is what we get as result. If you want better travel experience, travel business or first class.
Back then you may get a movie and hope it is of interest. Now you can stream many choices. In some ways thing are better.
The answer is simple: airline traveling was an expensive luxury that evolved into a cheap commodity.
Basically the ticket prices dropped too much. That's what happened.
@@Quotenwagnerianer
That could be part of it I guess but airlines are so fucked the these days that I highly doubt it's a result of just 1 reason. Literally, in the United States at least, the only thing airlines have been successful with is safety.
I'm positive that it was just price pressure. Some companies started with absurdly low fares, that could only be calculated by cutting spending down, which is always about personnel and wages. Those prices drew passengers to those companies and that in return forced other companies to offer those prices as well. But they had no serious business model for that. And that basically destroyed service aboard.
What a GREAT RUclipsr you are! THANKS for all you do!👍👍
Very interesting history on route strategy and design application ! I really enjoyed this video !
My first job out of university was on the 747-400 program. That was the single biggest modernization of that plane. It was an all new airplane that looked a lot like a 747. The winglets were the only obvious difference to the casual viewer.
My first job out of the aircraft technician school was on the then brand-new 747-400!! I already knew the previous incarnation, and I do agree: the -400 was a completely different bird.
The 747 was built primarily to be a freighter for the USAF, a competition Boeing lost to the C-5 Galaxy. Then ideas changed and PanAm suggestions came to further what will become a real icon on aviation history: The Jumbo. Also, the 747 still been built and may be more orders for the 8i will be placed: Lufthansa just announced that the A380 replacement will be that version. Agree that 4 engines planes will be history but appears that the last one flying will be the 747
You didn’t mention Etops which was very important say on the Pacific, Aircraft flying from for example Sydney to Lax in 2000 were all 744’s. Qantas has made statements about the A380 not being really economically on the trans Pacific routes now with 777’s,787’s and A350’s having replaced most 747’s on these routes now!
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Some additional data. The Boeing 747 started off as Boeing's submission for the Air Force large freighter aircraft bid. This was eventually won by Lockhead with the C5. Boeing was left with a perfectly good candidate for a commercial freighter with most of the engineering already paid for by the Air Force. And this design could be converted into a passenger+freight design at very low cost. This was not happenstance--Boeing had passenger versions of the Air Force project on the drawing boards all during the C5 competition.
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As you alluded to, Boeing had already announced the phase out of the 747 before AirBus committed the 380 to production for just the reasons you stated--shift away from hub-and-spoke and toward point-to-point. The decision to go ahead with the 380 was driven completely by the ego of the AirBus CEO at the time to have the biggest "dick" in the world. AirBus decision making was so screwed up at that time due to having to please all the owner countries, that he was able to push this horrible business decision through, with predictable results that we see today.
_"The decision to go ahead with the 380 was driven completely by the ego of the AirBus CEO at the time to have the biggest "dick" in the world."_
Yeah, based on a documentary I saw a few months go on the A380, I have to agree.
Boeing actually had to make another 747 (the 747-8 using 787 engines and technology) to give Airbus a reality check.
While not disagreeing with the ego driven decision, the problem was compounded by the fact that the 380 design was too conservative. There definitely was and is a sizeable niche for jumbos to fill ultratthick pax and freight routes (think NY-LA, or many Chinese and some intra-european routes). The aim should have been to get a product attractive to the larger LCCs, not just the luxury brands.
It should have been easily convertible to a pure freighter. They should have tried real hard to make it a huge twin (possibly with rear engines and a T-tail to keep the landing gear length down). It should have had a fuselage shaped optimised for medium range with the pax squashed in, not longhaul with an emphasis on passenger comfort. It should have had folding wingtips extension to allow a high aspect ratio while still fitting into normal airport slots.
3:24 that Delta 747 was on its last flight to aircraft graveyard in Arizona. Pretty sad to see it go.
It looked like Mojave California to me.
awesome video thank you. Just out of curiosity, is that the PMDG 777 in the intro?
OMG I love your videos! good job you done there helping people to know more about aviation!
Thanks Mentour for the great video and hello from Dubai!
Can you please do a video about how the 747 cargo planes manage to design their huge opening nose while keeping the plane pressurised?
Mohamad Al-Dah Probably a lot of very sturdy hydraulic locks i guess
Richard van Pukkem thank you
Dear Mentour Pilot: You're very interesting, and informative. I'm enjoying your videos.
I can't stop watching your videos mate! Very very interesting channel!!!
Thanks for a very illuminating talk about these large airliners.
11:09 "it didn't *p a n* out"
cheeky pan am reference.....so funny and yet so sad
That was a panny joke
I think that there will be a combination of networks. For Emirate hub network it works well as it draws tourists to Dubai. For other airlines especially budget the point to point network is better especially for regional flights. It all depends on the business model.
No because A350ULR doesn't need stop to travel to NY from Singapore, 18hours flight non stop. We going with full power to p2p
This video is why I visit Mentour. Good explanations, a bit of history, & business logic. Thank you!
Yet another very interesting and informative video, also for a pilot as myself. Great job!!
thanks for such an interesting video. I hope the Airbus A380 can continue flying around the world. I am saving up for a trip to Seychelles for 3 of us, with A380 first to either Dubai or Abu Dhabi
Great! It will be around for many years to come in any case. Enjoy your weekend.
tradjazzer I flew with Emirates to Seychelles for honeymoon best trip EVER!
hello Private Pilot, thank you for reply, well I do agree that Seychelles is a good place to honeymoon; in fact our Prince William and Kate had their honeymoon on the North Island which one of the chain of Seychelles island and North Island is a private one. I met my ex-wife in Seychelles when I was on holiday in 1984.
You need to fly on the Boeing 787. The window shades are replaced by a button and suspended gas, and for Mentor Pilot there is is HUD (Heads up Display) like a fighter jet. The cabin pressure is also higher so you are less fatigued on long flights. It is Boeing's response to the A330. The outside is made up of a composite material, so are the wings, so they flex up when in flight!!
Thanks, Nate, well I have been on older Boeing planes up to 2009 but could not afford to travel abroad and am still planning to use an A380 , plane ; since as it is the biggest passenger plane in the world and as I am 76 and hope to have saved enough money by early next year when I will be 77 ( touch wood ) so I just want to do the trip in an A380 to Abu Dhabi and change to an A320 for the leg to Seychelles via Etihad.
I have looked at the Airbus website and they use some composite materials ; plus they make the wings forAirbus planes at a huge factory in Wales, Great Britain and Rolls Royce make engines for certain models of the Airbus planes in England. f, The engines on the Boeing 787 are being checked and fix without taking the engines off the planes; according to Rolls Royce website.
I've flown Emirates A380 between Moscow and New Zealand and return about ten times in the last four years (all the way, in the last couple of years, on two or three A380 flights). In January my wife did it for the first time. "Just a plane" she said. This week she flew from Dubai to Auckland on an Emirates 777 (refuelling in Bali). Her reaction: "That was a big mistake! It was awful, the seat was tiny and uncomfortable, it was noisy -- I'm only going that far on an A380 in future!" Maybe the 787 is ok too ... I haven't been able to find anyone flying one on a route I've travelled yet.
787 good plane. Seats comparable to 380
I flew on a 787 with Scoot Airlines. It's a budget airline owned by Singapore Air. I noticed it was quieter than the 777's or A330's I had usually flown on.
flew on the Boeing 787 a couple times. Technologically advanced with the swept curving wings, the composite body that's able to endure higher cabin pressure, the beautiful interior that holds 3-5-3 columns, the quietness from the engines, and the button-activated dimming windows. Nicest plane I've been on
Excellent explanation. have made many trips overseas but unfortunately never on 747 or 380 but have traveled on 777 and 787. thanks good job
Few years ago around the end of September, beginning of October, I took a flight from Houston to Seattle. It was a night flight, think last one for the day, but it was totally empty. I think out of the maybe 400 seats, less than 50 were taken. Quietest and most disturbing flight I've ever been on. But it was a lot roomier, so there's that.
Thank you for this segment! I wonder if anyone else remembers back when the A380 was first announced, Boeing announced a competitive response (sorry don't remember the name of it) and then a year or three later, once Airbus was fully committed to actually building the thing, announced that there was not enough demand worldwide, then or in the future, for super-jumbos and cancelled their supposedly-upcoming super-jumbo? Boeing place its bet on twin-engine widebodies designed for the upcoming direct-to ATC off-airways systems, which of course will kill the hub-and-spoke system required to support Super Jumbos.
Now, I'm reading that 10 years after the introduction of the A380, sales are languishing- only Emirates and a couple of other really-long-haul airlines are even talking about buying any more and many of the companies that pre-ordered or ordered A380s have cancelled their orders.
So I have to ask myself: did Boeing do this as a deception, a deliberate competitive ploy, announcing a competing Super Jumbo to spur Airbus onward until shortly after they had committed to build the A380, then suddenly cancelling the (imaginary?) Boeing rival... or did Boeing just have a better crystal ball back then than Airbus did? It's food for an interesting discussion, but as it turns out, Boeing was right and Airbus bet billions on a dwindling market segment that they predicted would boom and grow.
There's been no new A380s ordered for a couple of years now. It's had its day. And it was too late for it.
following your channel for quite some time now I just came across this video. I find it very interesting and very informative - if you're not in this industry (like myself) it's hard to understand its backgrounds.. Thanks for pointing it out to me! 👍
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It’s worth it to have 747s & A380s for flights to Australia or Asia. I hate the slimline planes because I feel cramped. The 767 is great!
767 is cozy, but not spacious. Great aircraft though.
I absolutely LOVE your videos!
Thank you! That makes me so happy to hear!
Cracking video and well explained, Thank you:)
Man... You are so good!! Thanks for your dedication!!! I love the 747 and I hope to see her flying for so many many years!!!
Interesting video. One thing we miss is the Concorde, few people, but fast. Crazy to think that this was done 50 years ago and we still can't do something like that. Emirates, they were the ones taking ALL Norwegian B787 pilots :D Fun story, but true :-)
well, technology is there, it's just not economical, not enough demand.
If they can make concord to fly from Shanghai to Los Angeles, that may change things, but Concord didn't have that range.
I was inside Hampton court Palace when it was hit by a massive roar. The roar was unbelievable. I thought the building might fall down. I looked at a guard and he smiled and said "It's the Concord". Hampton Court is about 5 miles from Heathrow airport.
the major killer of concorde: airliners were prohibited from flying over the speed of sound when over a land mass--concorde's sonic boom ruined it's future, and any other super-sonic airliner on the drawing board.
Noise wasn't Concorde's only problem. It was obscenely expensive to operate. Also, it was designed to fly trans-Atlantic, when the real growth (and thus money) was flying trans-Pacific.
I think the beginning of the end of Concorde was both the Air France accident and 9/11. I used to work at LHR and used to love seeing her everyday. I still can’t get over how they removed the Concorde from the tunnel entrance and replaced it with an A380 😡
The other major problem with the super jumbo is that airports don't want to spend the money to accommodate them. The airport operators don't want to build new taxiways, aprons, gates, and maintenance hangers that are big enough for a super jumbo to fit.
Yes, that’s also true.
Emiirates serve plenty of airports successfully with over 100 A380s, so it's not as big of a problem here. If the airlines order the superjumbo, the airports will upgrade to accommodate. The problem is: they don't.
A good case example is Auckland, a relatively tiny city compared to the Asian megacities, but still get a ton of A380 service from Emirates as the airline need the Superjumbos to earn extra money during the Sydney curfew. With the recent completion of Pier B Auckland how has 4 gates capable of servicing the A380.
Although that is a very valid point, if you take congestion at European cities as an example, I feel that perhaps upgrading regional airports may be a cheaper alternative to entirely new internationals, or expanding internationals further. Or maybe regionals would be expanded upon to take local traffic away from the larger hubs, freeing up capacity for heavies there.
Most European hubs do not feel much pressure from congestion because low-cost carriers are sucking traffic away to secondary airports, and most hub airports (with the notable exception of Heathrow) are built on greenfield land that can easily be expanded.
The A380 is built for 3 markets - The Gulf carriers, Heathrow and China. It has enjoyed decent success with the Gulf carriers, but the Heathrow market didn't materialise because the likes of Gatwick, Luton and Stansted sucked market share and new traffic away from Heathrow, with many passengers content to simply get to London no matter how far away the airport actually is. As an international hub Heathrow is also losing market share against competing hubs like Frankfurt, and Brexit is making London less attractive as a business destination.
The Chinese market didn't materialise because congestion is concentrated in enroute airspace (the Chinese military owns the skies quite literally) and the Chinese airlines would rather endure endemic delays and passenger fury, than to risk flying empty superjumbos. Another major consideration is competition from high speed trains, which are heavily promoted and subsidised by the government. For the Beijing-Shanghai route, the train is simply more reliable with better on-time performance, more comfortable with better legroom, can carry more luggage, and you can get from city centre to city centre.
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Really enjoy this video series and find it somewhat addicting. Videos are well presented, informative, and very entertaining. Only a few more 747s left to be made.
Mentour, A good talk but could you not have thrown the A340 in with the 747 and A380? And could you have mentioned the advent of "ETOPS" as helping to eliminate the larger 4 engined aircraft?
Yes, the 340 suffered the same problem. The ETOPS part is covered in the 3-engine video.
MaidenAirTM and it's such a beautifully aircraft.
Because the A340 was a total abortion of a project, pretty much a 95% failure in the market. Like a horse designed by a committee becomes an elephant.
Thanks for your response. I'm always interested in what you have to say. BTW here in Australia we have a shortage of pilots so I understand.
Camel. A horse designed by committee is a camel. :)
The focus now is on B777 and A350 , all of them doing great range and carrying good amount of passengers
Yeah, they are great Aircraft!
I have flown from the US to Japan twice, once on an A380, once on a 777. The A380 was by far the more comfortable aircraft. Much smoother and quieter ride. More seat space and leg room as well. (Economy class both trips)
Proud new subscriber and a fellow aviator, albeit on a much smaller scale. I love your videos, always interesting and informative. Have you ever flown the 787 and if so, how does it handle as opposed to similar types? Blue skies forever.
This is exactly what I wanted to know.
Thank you very much !
I only want to say one thing that you forgot here: ETOPS killed the behomoth. Johan.
Government: Always dicking with our lives.
11:47 most definately not.Maybe they would shut down an assembly line for the complete plane,but they will 100% make spare parts for existing ones for a decades to come.
This is all fascinating.
Great channel.
Excellent video, very streamed lined reasoning without technical jargon.
I would love to see a new B757, but i think that is almost imposible to happen!
The A321 NEO is fairly similar to what an updated B757 MAX would be like. They are selling fairly well, but I'm not sure there is the demand for two aircraft of that size and range.
The Boeing 797, if and when it comes out.
The Boeing 797 will basically be a 767 but slightly smaller
Computer kid totally true
Dave Sisson yes you are right, never thought about that :/
The next generation of narrow bodies really need the features in the Dreamliner or the A350 if they're going to go for so long - windows, air pressure, mood lighting... I remember flying on Old 737s on short haul flights in India, and the airconditioning was so bad I smelt some kerosene and felt like some carbon monoxide was in my blood by the time I landed. The longest I ever flew in a 737 NG was Malaysian, to Singapore and Bali, and that was much better, but still the Dreamliner was in a totally other category - fresh as a daisy.
I remember the research projects running at Cranfield University in the mid 1990s supporting the A3XX as the A380 was then called. Robotic tape laying for very very large wing boxes and wing sections. We were not told much about the aircraft, but the machines required were so much bigger than anything in existence.
thanks! gave me some thoughts of bus transit systems that showed remarkably similiar structure of nets
Do a video on the stolen horizon air event that happened today. How can a employee steel a commercial airliner from a busy airport?
It doesn't take a genius to google the startup procedures for a Dash-8, or any other aircraft for that reason. If the person has the proper credentials to be in proximity to an aircraft, no one will really be questioning what he is doing there until it is possibly too late to prevent such an activity. Especially as the aircraft was in for maintenance, and not just sitting at a gate.
I wonder how he got on the runway and took off without permission from the tower. He had to pick a takeoff runway and not a landing runway.
dannydaw59 Quite easily, he would have just taxied out and taken off. The tower would have waived off all other aircraft once they realized there was a rogue aircraft out there they weren’t talking too.
Kurtis F Theres usually a line of planes waiting to take off. He'd have to get around them to the end of the runway to get enough room though.
Or just wait in line with everyone else. Or more likely he picked a runway that wasn't active for takeoffs so there was no line.
Good video fly landed on your head at 14:34
Listening to him is like listening to a bedtime story ... comforting 🙏
Great knowledge and great presentation. Thank for sharing.