A beautiful sunny morning, no wind no clouds, as my British Airways 767 flight from LHR lined up to land into Toronto - I was expecting a text book touchdown, but no! Huge BANG!.. overhead lockers popping open.. stuff flying about everywhere... people screaming... As the plane turned off the runway, an impeccably manicured British voice on the PA: "Ah, ladies and gentlemen, this is the captain. As you may have gathered, we've landed."
The captain decided he'd sip his tea whilst allowing a cadet in training to make what should have been an easy landing in the ideal conditions ... "I say, old boy, you've caused me to stain my uniform!"
An aviation joke that I read several years ago: After a very hard landing, the captain of an airliner was bidding the passengers farewell as they exited the plane at the gate. As a passenger in her 80s reached the captain at the exit door, she said, "Sonny, may I ask you a question?" "Absolutely, ma'am," he replied. She asked, "Did we land, or were we shot down?"
Plot Twist: A 737 was on short final but needed to go around, because Mentour was standing on the runway making a podcast xD -Awesome job Mentour, very informative! :)
We were flying into Portland, Oregon years ago, might have been a DC-9, on final, flared, bracing for touchdown. My wife is a nervous flyer, especially tense about landings, when it felt like at the very last instant they caught a headwind gust and absolutely greased the landing. My wife was so impressed she mentioned it to the cabin attendant as we exited. This was before locked cockpit doors and she received a "Thank you" from one of the flight crew. Made her day!
I experienced a firm landing once, the captain came on and said “Ladies and Gentlemen, I just want to apologize about the rough landing and say. That was not the pilots fault, it was not the copilots fault, ladies and gentlemen that was the Asphalt.”
A few years ago I was on a Delta flight and they made a very nice smooth landing in Atlanta. The pilot was standing at the door greeting the people as they got off. So as I came up I said, "Either that was a nice landing or they fixed that chuckhole at the end of the runway.' And he said, 'Yes, I usually do better with my eyes closed.' :)
Never had anything but smooth landings at ATL to be honest. But then again I've only been flying there recently to avoid ORD (the airport itself, not the landings). Love that comeback though. Wish they'd give us more of that pilot humor in flight, would makes things a lot more entertaining lol.
Dear Mentour! Thanks for another interesting video! May I add just a couple of clarifications? 1. Many 737NGs are equipped with an ACMS system. If it is installed, pilots can easily get the G value from the corresponding MCDU option (MENU button -> ACMS). The ACMS menu works differently on different versions, the way of getting a G info is also different. Bytheway, some ACARS solutions will also print a postflight report in wich the landing G can be included. 2. "2.1g and above" doesn't necesserilly mean a hard landing. It is just one of criterias specified in AMM as a reason to perform a Hard Landing Inspection. 2.1g (or 2.2g for airplanes with a 16 frame FDR) is only applicable if a normal landing has been made, which means, that the a/c has landed on main wheels first (with bank not more than 2 dgrs). If landed on the NLW first it is mandatory to do a Hard Landing Inspection. In the AMM no G is established for bank angles more than 2, therefore, pilots have to judge, was the landing firm, or normal... If any doubt - I fully agree - report about possible hard landing. Safe flights!
I always found landings at Jerez (Spain) to be the hardest of all, that was with Ryan Air. Hardest landing ever was into Manchester, I forget the airline, but he really planted it (it felt like). Given that even the Stewardesses looked a bit surprised, I'm surmising that was not just a "firm" landing... Got the proper response after complimenting a Virgin Atlantic crew on a "greaser" of a landing in Florida: "Any landing you can walk away from is a good one", followed by "And if you can use the aircraft again, it was excellent!". Even though I already knew the refrain, it still made me chuckle.
Captain Joe had said some very nice things about you in his very first live stream Petter! I really appreciate both of you inspiring other pilots like me and Aviation enthuses. Keep it coming :) Merry Christmas to your family and have a very happy new year mate
Wasn't he about to quit his current job? Maybe busy applying for a new one? :) Doing tests, training for any eventual new types will probably be more importent than the channel. Understandably.
@god I mean, landing a plane correctly(textbook) is to put it square on the touchdown marker, which will usually make it a firm touchdown. Which is the safest, though also less comfortable.
Back in the early '70s my Mum saw a Vickers Viscount bounce on landing at Stansted. A wheel came off, bounced down the runway and demolished a small building at the end of the runway. We also landed very heavily, when we went to Gibraltar. The pilot apologized and said "I need to do a bit more practice before I land here again". I think Gib is pretty difficult. It's quite turbulent and there's a whacking great rock that you need to miss.
You're supposed to gently rest the airplane onto the runway at the slowest speed possible, like an old man sinking into a warm bath. Not "flying" the plane onto the ground.
Very well explained. Saddening that trolls leave thumbs down. It's so easy for people with no experience to become "arm chair" pilots and harshly criticize professional pilots.
During my PPL, my CFI once said in joke: if the ELT doesn't start, it's not a hard landing lol. But tbh, landing a plane is not easy. It took me time before achieving a good landing, but all come with practise
The same flight inspecter which brings spare landing gears (not singular!) to the practice area? Any person need time and practice until the motion going automatic. That may be a reason why you go from cheap planes (with practice tires) to pricier ones (with standard tires).
I'm not a pilot or very much in to aviation but I'm absolutely hooked on your channel. If this is the kind of expert training you give you students I bet we got some fantastic pilots above our heads. Brilliant just brilliant.
You are simply a wonderful professional gentleman. You have great command of the English language and you have a Captain's Presence. I live in northern Idaho and likely will never have the opportunity for you to captain one of my flights or for me to meet you personally, but I nevertheless have, as many do, great respect, admiration and appreciation for your. I wish you nothing but the best and hope for a long, productive and contented life for you and your family, PJV in Idaho
I am ex RAF, not aircrew, an engine fitter. Most of my experience was on EE Lightning’s, which landed with quite a thump at the best of times. In 2015 I flew from Don Mueang in Bangkok to Chiang Mai using Nok Air, in a Boeing 737. It was a perfectly smooth flight, except for the landing at Chiang Mai. As a passenger it felt as if the pilot just let it drop the last 20 or 30 feet and it felt as if it bounced down the runway like a tennis ball! Overhead lockers flew open with hand baggage flying all over the place. I didn’t scream but most of the passengers did. At the time I thought that it was a heavy landing but after watching your excellent video about heavy landings, it probably wasn’t. I considered taking a train back to Bangkok but my Thai wife and my step daughter thought nothing of it. The flight back was as smooth as silk.
I remember a very firm landing on Ryanair coming into Dublin airport earlier this year. I'll bet it was a tricky landing for flight crew it felt like a windy old day coming in, the lower we got the more up and down, side to side we were getting. I don't doubt landing gear are designed to handle some serious punishment.
I must say I never comment on RUclips but I had to send my compliments to you on your video it was nicely put together, well spoken and spoken like a captain ... cheers from New Jersey USA
LOVE your informative videos! I’m not a pilot, just enjoy the science and tech parts of aviation. In 2/2017 I made a round trip YVR-ICN trip on Air Canada 787-9. The YVR touchdown was the silkiest ever felt. I passed my appreciation on to the crew and Captain. Keep up the good work here, please!
These videos are so good at helping passengers understand what is happening on a plane and will, I believe, lead to less scared, more happy people on flights. Imagine if these videos were included in the flight entertainment catalogue. Learn as you fly...
Great topic Captain! One I've often wondered about. My first Intercontinental flight was on a 747-400 and the landing in Newark was HARD. Astonishingly hard. It shook me up and everyone else on board. I promise you, no one was laughing. The plane quite violently stopping on the runway. Never experienced anything like it since. The passengers I spoke to thought the flight crew had perhaps overshot the runway slightly and had thus put her down hard and hence the quite violent shaking and swaying on deceleration.
Exactly, I had no real reference in terms of flight experience though the cabin crew did not look happy sat on their folding seats. It was Oct 2004 and the carrier was Lufthansa. I think it is more likely that they were perhaps training another pilot. Both flight crew were female, which got quite a few remarks from other passengers. Which I thought was unfair. There could have been any number of reasons for the heavy landing.
I once heard from a commercial pilot that US made planes were designed to withstand hard (or 'firm') landings because so many US captains were former navy carrier pilots, used to slamming down a fighter jet on a carrier strip. True or not, it makes sense. I also read modern planes need to take a hit while landing so all electronic software 'understands' the plane is on the ground. Also makes sense. As a Brazilian frequent flier, I recall the old VARIG international flights that most captains landed the plane as softly as possible, and according to the 'performance' he or she would get a round of applause from the bleachers back there, which, depending on the smoothness of the touch down could become a full blown cheer with whistling and all. I have to say it was a lot more fun than smashing down on the tarmac.
Just some days ago I experienced a very firm landing, like you showed at the beginning of this video, probably even harder and nobody was laughing (if felt as if we "jumped" into the air again and had then a second touch down after 1-2 seconds). I thought "oh, how dangerous for the next flight, if that landing caused some micro fractures somewhere in the plane and nobody noticed it". I thought "there should exist an automatic instrument that detects too hard landings". I'm happy now to know, there are such instruments. ...I think you forgot to mention some circumstances, that can increase the likeliness of a firm landing: if the runway has a depression/swale/lowering (sorry I'm not english) shortly after or at the end of the touchdown zone and if the approach was not perfect like at my flight (obviously coming too high) the touchdown ends in the "depression" - a lower point and on an upward runway part.
So basically, if the landing gear is still attached to the aircraft after touchdown and not scattered across the runway, it's a firm landing and not a hard one. Gotcha ;)
A cheeky SouthWest pilot came on the PA after a particularly bumpy landing and said "It's not the aircraft's fault, it's not the pilot's fault, it's the asphalt...." ...Mentour, I dare you to use that one!
Good stuff here. My most memorable “firm” landing was at SNN aboard a 767..complete with the bounce and heavy rudder input as it was very windy that day
I flew as a passenger from Evansville, IN to Chicago years ago on a 727. It was a cold, windy day (isn’t it always at ORD?) with a strong, gusty crosswind. I could tell we were going much faster than normal, with a pretty large crab angle. I thought we should have gone around, but the pilot wrestled it to the ground, bounced, got it down again, bounced again, then finally managed to keep it on the ground. I was very tempted to ask if he was going to log three landings on that trip.
Hello Peter:-). The gear on the 747,380,330,77 and so on,they are semi-levered gears. By this it means that it will reduce the risk for tail strike as well.
Thank you for your informative videos. I personally find landings in the 737-800 (as a passenger) very firm compared to other aircraft such as its rival, the A320 or much larger planes such as Dreamliner and A330. I'm not a pilot but do work at a busy international airport and have flown B737-800 in non motion simulator. Not the same as real thing but gave me an insight into the mechanics of flying.
Every 737 landing I’ve ever experienced, as a passenger, at Chicago Midway, has been firm. Less well informed passengers often remark, but I know the pilots are doing it intentionally. Trying to grease a Midway landing is a proven way to end up parking the airplane on a city street instead of a terminal gate.
Tom Jardine I am not questioning your statement, in part because most of my flights in recent years have been on 737s, so I don’t have a good basis for comparison with other airliners. I do want to mention that I have experienced some significantly smoother landings in 737s, but never at Midway, where, it seems, pilots are more than usually interested in a no-nonsense, get it down and stopped, arrival. Even when it has been the same crew in the same plane, I have experienced a firm Midway landing followed by a smoother landing, usually at my home airport, Pittsburgh. The longest Landing Distance Available at Midway is 6059 feet. Runways 28L 28R at Pittsburgh, the most common landing runways, have LDAs of 11,500 and 10,102 feet.
Tom Jardine Its The Pilots, not the plane. They may be planting it because it is a short runway. Or because there is standing water in the runway, to minimize hydroplaning. But the aircraft can be landed smoothly like any other aircraft.
I had one 'hard' landing and yer man did it beautifully. Wind caused over-rotation on take off, and clunked the tail on the ground. Came straight back around with a full load of everything, and set it down hard and fast. My nose was in the seat in front when he hit the reversers and brakes. Got a round of applause though!
I remember one flight into Toronto during a really bad storm. Looked like hail and gusting wind out the window. We had circled around for a while and eventually just dived into the storm. So many lightning strikes outside the window. Lady, stranger, beside me crying and holding my arm, me telling her it'll be ok. Hit the runway so hard my face flew forward and smashed into the seat in front of me. Almost knocked me out. If you're wondering why there are seatbelts. That was a day I was glad to have one.
Thank you so much for your videos. I'm not a pilot, and not training to be. I have some fears when it comes to flying, and your videos help me rationalize some fears, and get rid of others. Keep the vids comin please, thanks again for the content, and for being a safe and knowledgeable pilot. And thanks for telling us why things happen in the skies. Really does help me get through situations, knowing whats going on outside, and what the crew is doing inside. 1 of those, if you don't know you start freaking out, scnenarios
I've been on a few A320s that got hamfisted into the runway. I would think that the side stick would give less control precision during approach and landing. As for the roughest landings I've personally experienced. United 757 coming into LAX while the Santa Ana winds were blowing, touched down crabbed and was slinking around on the runway a bit before they got it straightened out, and a Delta 737-800 coming into Denver in gusty winds, wind shifted during the flare and it bounced off the runway.
HOL Cuba. 737 800. Weather gusty and raining with low cloud. Touched down with the grace and elegance of a manhole cover but from your video, I can assume it was a "firm" landing. I didn't realize that later models were more prone to firm landings. It all makes sense now. Thanks, and your videos are very good.
Does water contamination of the runway not command an firm landing in order to avoid skiding on a thin water film and then performance of the wheel brakes will be dinished ? Marc D'HOORE.
The runway length may be one of the reasons that landings into Latvia were always firmer than the ones at Heathrow - I think many runways are a kilometre shorter.
I was on a C141B that landed on Ascension Island and the landing was so hard my ribs hurt for a week. Our hard landing inspection that day was 10 wheels, two wings, Horizontal Stab still connected, good to go.
I've had some hard landings in all the flights I've taken, as a passenger. When I was flying back from Australia one time, we had a medical emergency on board and had to turn back to Darwin which we'd just passed. I heard the cabin crew saying you can't land an A380 at Darwin, but cut a long story short, we did. We were stuck for about 4-6 hours with the excuse the brakes needed time to cool down. What are your thoughts on this?
I remember a very soft landing. It was on summer 2016 and I was on board of a Lufthansa Flight to Frankfurt. I was sleeping. As I woke up, I had a glance through the window since I thought that the airplane was still flying. But then I realized that the airplane had already landed ! So I thought: blimey, I have not even felt it !
Very interesting, especially your comments about some airlines being more prone to hard - I mean "Firm" landings... I am a regular traveler between the same two UK airports, mostly by carrier "E", and occasionally by carrier "R", both "Budget" airlines. I find that the landings by carrier "R" are normally a lot more jarring than those by "E". I guess it must be the different aircraft types...
This may be a silly question, but I was thinking about it recently: is it possible for the plane to land in such a way that it may actually tip to one side and fall over? Thanks ahead of time.
1975, on our honeymoon, landing at Mexico City, elevation about 7,000ft, we hit, bounced, hit again and stuck. My pilot husband said "we got two landings for one, more bang for our buck."
Great vid:-) , love background! Mine recommend for passengers, don't take a seat, where the gears are located because you will receive the stronger hit into the spin of your body.
Years back on Eastern Airlines in the U.S. the plane landed so hard that some overheads popped open and oxygen masks dropped from the ceiling. I suspect that this was a hard landing by definition.
TECYHEAD 5t flying the Atlantic is done with great care. more planning goes into one hop than any passenger will ever realize. it would require multiple videos on the subject🛫
There is an ICAO (International Civil Aviation Organisation) standard for units of measure. Most countries have fully adopted this system (although sadly not the USA in some minor areas). The units are well thought out in terms of ease of use and freedom from confusion. They are basically: Vertical: Feet and thousands of feet (flight Level is based on feet) Horizontal big distances: Nautical miles Horizontal smaller distances: Metres and kilometres Speed: Knots (nautical miles per hour) These, with the exception of the use (for some bizarre reason) of statute miles and sometimes feet for short distances in the USA, are used on both side of the Atlantic and in between.
Ohhh... I was just now starting programming my first neural network (a topic in Computer Science) and I just saw they have theory for that in the page. It turned out to be quite useful, actually.
At least 75% of the plane have to purchase "Soft landing package" for 15 euros to have a chance of normal landing with RyanAir. Sorry, company has to profit. At least tickets are cheap, you know:)
@@YesYouAreAbsolutelyCorrect Ugh Ryanair shit. A few years back in Rome there was a couple in front of us at check in, both carrying oversized backpacks (you know those big hiking ones). The person handling the check in just let it slip, even telling them that if anyone should ask she gave the okay. Me and my girlfriend walk up and she's like: you'll have to pay €50 extra for oversized baggage. That metal size thingie is standing next to her, I put it in there and I'm like: look, fits perfectly. Her reply: you're already carrying 4 items. Of course were are, 2 people each a carry on and a bag to fit under our seats (which was still free at the time, nowadays you have to be a priority passenger). Still had to pay €50. Worst airline ever, but you get what you pay for I suppose lol.
"And are some Airlines more prone to hard landings than other" Is like a scenario in the classroom where someone farts loudly and the whole class just turns around looking at the person that let it rip. Looking at you RyanAir!
Hi Mentour Pilot, I have just discovered your channel & I love the content & how easily you explain everything that even a wannabe pilot can understand keep up the good work 😎
I initially thought this was a green screen background................. and waited for a 'heavy' to fly over you. ;-) The shadow gave away that this was a real runway. Where was this filmed?
Nice video, Mentour. I remember reading that a firm touchdown is necessary when the runway is wet to ensure there is no sideways skidding, drifting or aquaplaning. I hope you all have a FanTasTic Christmas. :)
Sir, this was very interesting! I know people who refuse to fly no matter what. I'll have to do some research and find out more about you, and the videos you have to offer.
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A beautiful sunny morning, no wind no clouds, as my British Airways 767 flight from LHR lined up to land into Toronto - I was expecting a text book touchdown, but no! Huge BANG!.. overhead lockers popping open.. stuff flying about everywhere... people screaming...
As the plane turned off the runway, an impeccably manicured British voice on the PA:
"Ah, ladies and gentlemen, this is the captain. As you may have gathered, we've landed."
@reverse thrust 😂😂😂😂
The captain decided he'd sip his tea whilst allowing a cadet in training to make what should have been an easy landing in the ideal conditions ... "I say, old boy, you've caused me to stain my uniform!"
I'm assuming British understatement humor is supposedly calming after such situations.
just for reference, we dont only drink Tea. Sometimes coffee
How typically British.
An aviation joke that I read several years ago:
After a very hard landing, the captain of an airliner was bidding the passengers farewell as they exited the plane at the gate. As a passenger in her 80s reached the captain at the exit door, she said, "Sonny, may I ask you a question?"
"Absolutely, ma'am," he replied.
She asked, "Did we land, or were we shot down?"
CJWJR That's the best one i've heard LOL
Where's the punch-line?
The theatre seats are empty
😂😂👍
Oof
I feel like I've had two flavors of let's call "rough" landings.
1) I flew Navy
2) I fly Spirit / Ryanair
1) YOu mean the controlled crash and gear abuse?
Plot Twist: A 737 was on short final but needed to go around, because Mentour was standing on the runway making a podcast xD
-Awesome job Mentour, very informative! :)
Haha true that! Just for the banter :p
He ould have seen the plane and gotten off the runway genius
It almost looks greenscreened. We know that he got proper clearance to be on the run way and would not commit an Incursion
Uggh, you wouldn't believe the things that you find with a mower on a runway.
Viktor Sijpkens - Aviation bit of a short and thin runway for a 737. Haha
One of the reasons for a hard landing is a pilot standing on the runway explaining hard landings. Haha. Nice video, Captain!
That would be reason for a go-around, I would hope.
Hard landing makes flying more fun.
Haha, hard landing giggidy
That's why it is called a cockpit :D
Not true. Captain's belly is softer to land on than the runway.
We were flying into Portland, Oregon years ago, might have been a DC-9, on final, flared, bracing for touchdown. My wife is a nervous flyer, especially tense about landings, when it felt like at the very last instant they caught a headwind gust and absolutely greased the landing. My wife was so impressed she mentioned it to the cabin attendant as we exited. This was before locked cockpit doors and she received a "Thank you" from one of the flight crew. Made her day!
Any landing that you can walk away from is a good landing.
i would say all can walk away from, but yes.
Does hobbling count?
My flight instructor said the exact same thing. My father who owned the plane always told me to at least retrieve the navigation radios. LOL
Not true. You could have internal bleeding on the brain.
Ian McGreevy : True but who is looking at Ex-wives?
I experienced a firm landing once, the captain came on and said “Ladies and Gentlemen, I just want to apologize about the rough landing and say. That was not the pilots fault, it was not the copilots fault, ladies and gentlemen that was the Asphalt.”
LOL
A few years ago I was on a Delta flight and they made a very nice smooth landing in Atlanta. The pilot was standing at the door greeting the people as they got off. So as I came up I said, "Either that was a nice landing or they fixed that chuckhole at the end of the runway.' And he said, 'Yes, I usually do better with my eyes closed.' :)
Never had anything but smooth landings at ATL to be honest. But then again I've only been flying there recently to avoid ORD (the airport itself, not the landings). Love that comeback though. Wish they'd give us more of that pilot humor in flight, would makes things a lot more entertaining lol.
Dear Mentour! Thanks for another interesting video! May I add just a couple of clarifications?
1. Many 737NGs are equipped with an ACMS system. If it is installed, pilots can easily get the G value from the corresponding MCDU option (MENU button -> ACMS). The ACMS menu works differently on different versions, the way of getting a G info is also different. Bytheway, some ACARS solutions will also print a postflight report in wich the landing G can be included.
2. "2.1g and above" doesn't necesserilly mean a hard landing. It is just one of criterias specified in AMM as a reason to perform a Hard Landing Inspection. 2.1g (or 2.2g for airplanes with a 16 frame FDR) is only applicable if a normal landing has been made, which means, that the a/c has landed on main wheels first (with bank not more than 2 dgrs). If landed on the NLW first it is mandatory to do a Hard Landing Inspection. In the AMM no G is established for bank angles more than 2, therefore, pilots have to judge, was the landing firm, or normal... If any doubt - I fully agree - report about possible hard landing.
Safe flights!
Awesome points! I’m just referring to my own fleet.
Thank you!
I always found landings at Jerez (Spain) to be the hardest of all, that was with Ryan Air. Hardest landing ever was into Manchester, I forget the airline, but he really planted it (it felt like). Given that even the Stewardesses looked a bit surprised, I'm surmising that was not just a "firm" landing... Got the proper response after complimenting a Virgin Atlantic crew on a "greaser" of a landing in Florida: "Any landing you can walk away from is a good one", followed by "And if you can use the aircraft again, it was excellent!". Even though I already knew the refrain, it still made me chuckle.
I fly a lot and get nervous, your videos are so helpful. You are a saint. Thank you so much from the bottom of my heart.
Captain Joe had said some very nice things about you in his very first live stream Petter! I really appreciate both of you inspiring other pilots like me and Aviation enthuses. Keep it coming :)
Merry Christmas to your family and have a very happy new year mate
Ahh, that’s great to hear!
can you make a separete video on difference between mayday and pan pan pan. What are the criteria for use of them .
Regards
Martin
does anyone know what happened to captain joe, he hasn't posted anything for a while...
Wasn't he about to quit his current job? Maybe busy applying for a new one? :) Doing tests, training for any eventual new types will probably be more importent than the channel. Understandably.
Roger Skagerström he didn't quit his job, AirBerlin went bankrupt...
Hard landing, soft landing, just get it on the ground safely is what matters to me.
Good thinking.
@god I mean, landing a plane correctly(textbook) is to put it square on the touchdown marker, which will usually make it a firm touchdown. Which is the safest, though also less comfortable.
Any landing you can walk away from...
Long as my ass.don't hurt
Yes but what concerns me am I getting on an aircraft that has just had a hard landing from the previous flight.
Back in the early '70s my Mum saw a Vickers Viscount bounce on landing at Stansted. A wheel came off, bounced down the runway and demolished a small building at the end of the runway.
We also landed very heavily, when we went to Gibraltar. The pilot apologized and said "I need to do a bit more practice before I land here again". I think Gib is pretty difficult. It's quite turbulent and there's a whacking great rock that you need to miss.
Not to mention a short runway, weird airspace restrictions, and a highway crossing the runway.
Don't know how difficult it is, but it certainly has the weirdest runway ever.
The rock creates some specially potent rotor turbulence which has caused many a nightmare for many a pilot.
@@thatsmallcessna8300 before we landed we had to circle while the police cleared a car accident that had happened at the lights.
You're dropping 100 tons of metal and rubber onto concrete. A better question would be, how the hell do soft landings happen?
good point.
You're supposed to gently rest the airplane onto the runway at the slowest speed possible, like an old man sinking into a warm bath. Not "flying" the plane onto the ground.
Airplanes luckily, have wings
@@mayganphynix8267 No it's not. Bernoulli's Principle, remember we learned that in science class? Or do you not have them in your country?
@@GlennDavey Why be so rude?
Hi Mentour! Just saw the video. Great content and keep up the great work!
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@Mathias Corbin Fake RUclips account
@Tristan Timothy You're a fake RUclips account.
Very well explained. Saddening that trolls leave thumbs down. It's so easy for people with no experience to become "arm chair" pilots and harshly criticize professional pilots.
During my PPL, my CFI once said in joke: if the ELT doesn't start, it's not a hard landing lol. But tbh, landing a plane is not easy. It took me time before achieving a good landing, but all come with practise
Hahaha
Lionel Lucario it's like dancing, you practice until the motion becomes automatic🛫
The same flight inspecter which brings spare landing gears (not singular!) to the practice area?
Any person need time and practice until the motion going automatic. That may be a reason why you go from cheap planes (with practice tires) to pricier ones (with standard tires).
It's a good landing if you can walk away from it. It's an excellent landing if the aircraft can be reused right away.
I'm not a pilot or very much in to aviation but I'm absolutely hooked on your channel. If this is the kind of expert training you give you students I bet we got some fantastic pilots above our heads. Brilliant just brilliant.
You are simply a wonderful professional gentleman. You have great command of the English language and you have a Captain's Presence. I live in northern Idaho and likely will never have the opportunity for you to captain one of my flights or for me to meet you personally, but I nevertheless have, as many do, great respect, admiration and appreciation for your.
I wish you nothing but the best and hope for a long, productive and contented life for you and your family,
PJV in Idaho
We need more people like Peter on the internet. Very wholesome, i hope you're doing great peter!
it's unfortunate airline crews dont get better payed.
With his top karma Mentour will be reincarnated with million-miles frequent flyer privileges 👍🏻
Peter, you are a gentlmen in your own right. Best of luck to you.
Hard, soft, or firm, as long as I can walk away afterwards, then it’s a great landing!
Excellent videos.
Air Koryo: we have the hardest landings.
Ryanair: *hold my yoke*
fnd123 nah I feel like they don’t hold the yoke at all during landings
I’m a student pilot in training and I’ve been to about 5 lessons but I learned a lot more in this video than I have in 5 lessons! Thanks!
“Why do hard landings happen?”
Ryanair: “yes”
Tomáš Modrovský 😂
Lmao🤣🤣🤣
I was about to say..
Mentour is a Ryanair captain
hahaha what the
I am ex RAF, not aircrew, an engine fitter. Most of my experience was on EE Lightning’s, which landed with quite a thump at the best of times. In 2015 I flew from Don Mueang in Bangkok to Chiang Mai using Nok Air, in a Boeing 737. It was a perfectly smooth flight, except for the landing at Chiang Mai. As a passenger it felt as if the pilot just let it drop the last 20 or 30 feet and it felt as if it bounced down the runway like a tennis ball! Overhead lockers flew open with hand baggage flying all over the place. I didn’t scream but most of the passengers did. At the time I thought that it was a heavy landing but after watching your excellent video about heavy landings, it probably wasn’t. I considered taking a train back to Bangkok but my Thai wife and my step daughter thought nothing of it. The flight back was as smooth as silk.
I remember a very firm landing on Ryanair coming into Dublin airport earlier this year. I'll bet it was a tricky landing for flight crew it felt like a windy old day coming in, the lower we got the more up and down, side to side we were getting. I don't doubt landing gear are designed to handle some serious punishment.
They can take incredible forces.
I must say I never comment on RUclips but I had to send my compliments to you on your video it was nicely put together, well spoken and spoken like a captain ...
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Thank you!
I like this guy. Been watching more and more of these. Very interesting and a good teacher.
LOVE your informative videos! I’m not a pilot, just enjoy the science and tech parts of aviation. In 2/2017 I made a round trip YVR-ICN trip on Air Canada 787-9. The YVR touchdown was the silkiest ever felt. I passed my appreciation on to the crew and Captain. Keep up the good work here, please!
Thank you! Glad to hear that you liked it!
NOTAM for that little airport: airport is closed due to… pilot standing on runway explaining hard landings. Lol very nice video though.
Hahaha, the RC airplanes could wait.
These videos are so good at helping passengers understand what is happening on a plane and will, I believe, lead to less scared, more happy people on flights. Imagine if these videos were included in the flight entertainment catalogue. Learn as you fly...
Have a great weekend and christmas Mentour! All the best😉
Thank you!
Can we just appreciate the great into and outro music on this channel!! Bravo!
Great topic Captain! One I've often wondered about. My first Intercontinental flight was on a 747-400 and the landing in Newark was HARD. Astonishingly hard. It shook me up and everyone else on board. I promise you, no one was laughing. The plane quite violently stopping on the runway. Never experienced anything like it since. The passengers I spoke to thought the flight crew had perhaps overshot the runway slightly and had thus put her down hard and hence the quite violent shaking and swaying on deceleration.
Possibly, but its very hard to say without knowing the actual conditions.
Exactly, I had no real reference in terms of flight experience though the cabin crew did not look happy sat on their folding seats. It was Oct 2004 and the carrier was Lufthansa. I think it is more likely that they were perhaps training another pilot. Both flight crew were female, which got quite a few remarks from other passengers. Which I thought was unfair. There could have been any number of reasons for the heavy landing.
Women don't have the reflexes and calm decision-making skill when under pressure, like the men do. Let's be honest.
Here in 2020 and locked down again? Can't fly, but can watch all your videos and it helps me! Thank you so much!
I once heard from a commercial pilot that US made planes were designed to withstand hard (or 'firm') landings because so many US captains were former navy carrier pilots, used to slamming down a fighter jet on a carrier strip. True or not, it makes sense. I also read modern planes need to take a hit while landing so all electronic software 'understands' the plane is on the ground. Also makes sense. As a Brazilian frequent flier, I recall the old VARIG international flights that most captains landed the plane as softly as possible, and according to the 'performance' he or she would get a round of applause from the bleachers back there, which, depending on the smoothness of the touch down could become a full blown cheer with whistling and all. I have to say it was a lot more fun than smashing down on the tarmac.
Probably not true (the slamming down Navy jets stuff). Just doesn't make sense.
Back when mentour has only 9000 subscribers! That's when i subscribed, so happy to see him doing so well now
Just some days ago I experienced a very firm landing, like you showed at the beginning of this video, probably even harder and nobody was laughing (if felt as if we "jumped" into the air again and had then a second touch down after 1-2 seconds). I thought "oh, how dangerous for the next flight, if that landing caused some micro fractures somewhere in the plane and nobody noticed it". I thought "there should exist an automatic instrument that detects too hard landings". I'm happy now to know, there are such instruments. ...I think you forgot to mention some circumstances, that can increase the likeliness of a firm landing: if the runway has a depression/swale/lowering (sorry I'm not english) shortly after or at the end of the touchdown zone and if the approach was not perfect like at my flight (obviously coming too high) the touchdown ends in the "depression" - a lower point and on an upward runway part.
True, those are good points.
without aviation youtubers like you,there wouldn't be avgeeks this much! thank you captain,for educating us through everything!
Right? Before this all we had was Air Crash Investigation 😂
So basically, if the landing gear is still attached to the aircraft after touchdown and not scattered across the runway, it's a firm landing and not a hard one. Gotcha ;)
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Best vids on YT ...all those questions explained & presented professionally. Thank you
Excellent! I’m happy you like them!
A cheeky SouthWest pilot came on the PA after a particularly bumpy landing and said
"It's not the aircraft's fault, it's not the pilot's fault, it's the asphalt...."
...Mentour, I dare you to use that one!
You mean tarmac?
@@ihato8535tarmac is not used anymore. It is also a health hazard.
Good stuff here. My most memorable “firm” landing was at SNN aboard a 767..complete with the bounce and heavy rudder input as it was very windy that day
That explains all the hard landings I have been having with SWA flights.
I flew as a passenger from Evansville, IN to Chicago years ago on a 727. It was a cold, windy day (isn’t it always at ORD?) with a strong, gusty crosswind. I could tell we were going much faster than normal, with a pretty large crab angle. I thought we should have gone around, but the pilot wrestled it to the ground, bounced, got it down again, bounced again, then finally managed to keep it on the ground. I was very tempted to ask if he was going to log three landings on that trip.
Hello Peter:-). The gear on the 747,380,330,77 and so on,they are semi-levered gears. By this it means that it will reduce the risk for tail strike as well.
To a certain extent, yes.
Thank you for your informative videos. I personally find landings in the 737-800 (as a passenger) very firm compared to other aircraft such as its rival, the A320 or much larger planes such as Dreamliner and A330. I'm not a pilot but do work at a busy international airport and have flown B737-800 in non motion simulator. Not the same as real thing but gave me an insight into the mechanics of flying.
Every 737 landing I’ve ever experienced, as a passenger, at Chicago Midway, has been firm. Less well informed passengers often remark, but I know the pilots are doing it intentionally. Trying to grease a Midway landing is a proven way to end up parking the airplane on a city street instead of a terminal gate.
That correct.
Mark Holm Boeing 737s especially the 700-800 series land quite hard.
Tom Jardine I am not questioning your statement, in part because most of my flights in recent years have been on 737s, so I don’t have a good basis for comparison with other airliners. I do want to mention that I have experienced some significantly smoother landings in 737s, but never at Midway, where, it seems, pilots are more than usually interested in a no-nonsense, get it down and stopped, arrival. Even when it has been the same crew in the same plane, I have experienced a firm Midway landing followed by a smoother landing, usually at my home airport, Pittsburgh. The longest Landing Distance Available at Midway is 6059 feet. Runways 28L 28R at Pittsburgh, the most common landing runways, have LDAs of 11,500 and 10,102 feet.
LOL, Mark is comma- and caps-happy!
Tom Jardine Its The Pilots, not the plane. They may be planting it because it is a short runway. Or because there is standing water in the runway, to minimize hydroplaning. But the aircraft can be landed smoothly like any other aircraft.
I had one 'hard' landing and yer man did it beautifully. Wind caused over-rotation on take off, and clunked the tail on the ground. Came straight back around with a full load of everything, and set it down hard and fast. My nose was in the seat in front when he hit the reversers and brakes. Got a round of applause though!
Every time my girlfriend asks, "why's it not hard?" I reassure her that it's "firm" and she should stop complaining!
Bruh
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Honey it is well within the margin of tolerance of the manufacturer.
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Perv!
I remember one flight into Toronto during a really bad storm. Looked like hail and gusting wind out the window. We had circled around for a while and eventually just dived into the storm. So many lightning strikes outside the window. Lady, stranger, beside me crying and holding my arm, me telling her it'll be ok. Hit the runway so hard my face flew forward and smashed into the seat in front of me. Almost knocked me out.
If you're wondering why there are seatbelts. That was a day I was glad to have one.
11:50 "Liebe Damen und Herren, please turn off your wifi devices on board, our Captain will be streaming, he needs the bandwidth."
Thank you so much for your videos. I'm not a pilot, and not training to be. I have some fears when it comes to flying, and your videos help me rationalize some fears, and get rid of others. Keep the vids comin please, thanks again for the content, and for being a safe and knowledgeable pilot. And thanks for telling us why things happen in the skies. Really does help me get through situations, knowing whats going on outside, and what the crew is doing inside. 1 of those, if you don't know you start freaking out, scnenarios
"A soft landing is not a criteria for a safe landing" - which is why Boeing builds airliners for pilots, not bus drivers.
I've been on a few A320s that got hamfisted into the runway. I would think that the side stick would give less control precision during approach and landing. As for the roughest landings I've personally experienced. United 757 coming into LAX while the Santa Ana winds were blowing, touched down crabbed and was slinking around on the runway a bit before they got it straightened out, and a Delta 737-800 coming into Denver in gusty winds, wind shifted during the flare and it bounced off the runway.
Lmao. Stay in the 1960's death machines then Murican. While we trust our 'driver' to butter landings
@@Anand-cx8po laughs in Boeing 777 and 787, one had like one crash (No, being hit by SAM does not count) and second still has a clean record.
HOL Cuba. 737 800. Weather gusty and raining with low cloud. Touched down with the grace and elegance of a manhole cover but from your video, I can assume it was a "firm" landing. I didn't realize that later models were more prone to firm landings. It all makes sense now. Thanks, and your videos are very good.
Thanks captain nice and informative video as always 👨✈️ have a nice Christmas.
Thank you! Merry Christmas you to!
Does water contamination of the runway not command an firm landing in order to avoid skiding on a thin water film and then performance of the wheel brakes will be dinished ? Marc D'HOORE.
Sheesh you look SO DAPPER there Captain!!! I’m used to you in your T-shirt with your slippers and puppies!
The runway length may be one of the reasons that landings into Latvia were always firmer than the ones at Heathrow - I think many runways are a kilometre shorter.
Another great and informative video. I’m no pilot but love airplanes and how they work. Thanks for letting me learn more each day!
You make great videos like always. Keep it up and merry christmas❄⛄🎄
Thank you! Merry christmas and feel free to tip your followers about my channel.
I was on a C141B that landed on Ascension Island and the landing was so hard my ribs hurt for a week. Our hard landing inspection that day was 10 wheels, two wings, Horizontal Stab still connected, good to go.
I've had some hard landings in all the flights I've taken, as a passenger. When I was flying back from Australia one time, we had a medical emergency on board and had to turn back to Darwin which we'd just passed.
I heard the cabin crew saying you can't land an A380 at Darwin, but cut a long story short, we did.
We were stuck for about 4-6 hours with the excuse the brakes needed time to cool down. What are your thoughts on this?
Aussie here. Darwin is very hot. Checks out.
They probably had to replace the brakes lol
Thanks CJ as always very informative. Btw amazed to see the very long shadow you cast in the video. LOL man!
Emirates Airlines performes the soft landing so good that you might almost not feel the plane touch down at all
Always a pleasure to watch your videos and professional explanations gleaned from years of experience.
I remember a very soft landing. It was on summer 2016 and I was on board of a Lufthansa Flight to Frankfurt. I was sleeping. As I woke up, I had a glance through the window since I thought that the airplane was still flying. But then I realized that the airplane had already landed ! So I thought: blimey, I have not even felt it !
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Blimey!
I think that was because you were too deep into your sleep :))))
Butter the bread!
I had very soft landing on Ryanair
Very interesting, especially your comments about some airlines being more prone to hard - I mean "Firm" landings... I am a regular traveler between the same two UK airports, mostly by carrier "E", and occasionally by carrier "R", both "Budget" airlines. I find that the landings by carrier "R" are normally a lot more jarring than those by "E". I guess it must be the different aircraft types...
This may be a silly question, but I was thinking about it recently: is it possible for the plane to land in such a way that it may actually tip to one side and fall over? Thanks ahead of time.
Now that I've memorized your 16-step how-to-land-a plane, this was logically the next video to watch! 😃
1975, on our honeymoon, landing at Mexico City, elevation about 7,000ft, we hit, bounced, hit again and stuck. My pilot husband said "we got two landings for one, more bang for our buck."
Great vid:-) , love background! Mine recommend for passengers, don't take a seat, where the gears are located because you will receive the stronger hit into the spin of your body.
Amazing video mate!
Thank you RS, you always have something positive to say.
Mentour Pilot Always will do Petter
Informative as always captain..... Very helpful for aviation students like me who are planning on becoming aviators.
Years back on Eastern Airlines in the U.S. the plane landed so hard that some overheads popped open and oxygen masks dropped from the ceiling. I suspect that this was a hard landing by definition.
More like a controlled crash
MWB Gaming lol.
Eithad.they always drop it like it's hot.this is a question I've always wanted answered.thanks dude.
Mery Christmas Mentor and a HAPPY NEW YEAR. 😊😊😊
Merry Christmas!
Mentour Pilot you make my day love your information thanks.
These vids are really great. I usually move on to a different channel after one or two videos. I've watched about a dozen of these in a row.
Could you please do a video on transatlantic flying and wether you would use the imperial or metric system.
Thanks James
Since I don't really do transatlantic flights its not likely to happen any time soon. But I will keep it in mind
TECYHEAD 5t flying the Atlantic is done with great care. more planning goes into one hop than any passenger will ever realize. it would require multiple videos on the subject🛫
There is an ICAO (International Civil Aviation Organisation) standard for units of measure. Most countries have fully adopted this system (although sadly not the USA in some minor areas). The units are well thought out in terms of ease of use and freedom from confusion. They are basically:
Vertical: Feet and thousands of feet (flight Level is based on feet)
Horizontal big distances: Nautical miles
Horizontal smaller distances: Metres and kilometres
Speed: Knots (nautical miles per hour)
These, with the exception of the use (for some bizarre reason) of statute miles and sometimes feet for short distances in the USA, are used on both side of the Atlantic and in between.
these are really great videos.......the production quality and editing is very professional
although I do miss the dog on this one
The MD-11 is the King of hard landings
Hi Mentour Pilot. I love your recently discovered videos.
From an airline ethusiast in Canada.
Thanks for another great video :)
The question is: is that true that in case of wet runway a "harder" landing is preferred to minimize aquaplaning?
Well, not really. The landing technique is the same, if the runway is flooded we shouldn't really land.
I like the effort you take to explain various aspects.
finally someone qualified who explains ryanair doesn't instruc pilot to land ''hard''
I’m not talking about specific airlines here. ;)
i know but who want to intend , will intend ;) fantastic video as lways Mentour!
Super fun! I didn't know about the criteria to distinguish normal landrings from hard ones. I like learning with your videos. Thanks once again!
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Ohhh... I was just now starting programming my first neural network (a topic in Computer Science) and I just saw they have theory for that in the page. It turned out to be quite useful, actually.
I flew Ryanair when I was on holiday in Europe once
My first ever landing in a DA40 as a student pilot was less spine crushing
At least 75% of the plane have to purchase "Soft landing package" for 15 euros to have a chance of normal landing with RyanAir. Sorry, company has to profit. At least tickets are cheap, you know:)
@@YesYouAreAbsolutelyCorrect Ugh Ryanair shit. A few years back in Rome there was a couple in front of us at check in, both carrying oversized backpacks (you know those big hiking ones). The person handling the check in just let it slip, even telling them that if anyone should ask she gave the okay. Me and my girlfriend walk up and she's like: you'll have to pay €50 extra for oversized baggage. That metal size thingie is standing next to her, I put it in there and I'm like: look, fits perfectly. Her reply: you're already carrying 4 items. Of course were are, 2 people each a carry on and a bag to fit under our seats (which was still free at the time, nowadays you have to be a priority passenger). Still had to pay €50. Worst airline ever, but you get what you pay for I suppose lol.
"And are some Airlines more prone to hard landings than other"
Is like a scenario in the classroom where someone farts loudly and the whole class just turns around looking at the person that let it rip.
Looking at you RyanAir!
Soft landings - Airforce. Hard landing - Navy.
Very interesting knowledge and great video! It is interesting to learn more about plane's physics. 👍🏻
Very interesting video, and as always, I learnt a new thing: a hard landing is not the same as a firm one ;)
Merry Christmas!!
Merry Christmas!
Hi Mentour Pilot, I have just discovered your channel & I love the content & how easily you explain everything that even a wannabe pilot can understand keep up the good work 😎
I initially thought this was a green screen background................. and waited for a 'heavy' to fly over you. ;-)
The shadow gave away that this was a real runway. Where was this filmed?
Close to my home! Its a small RC runway.
Don't be an ass.
superskullmaster-I could easily stick my Maule in there.
Any landing you can reused the airplane is an excellent landing. Great video.
Great video.
Thank you!
Nice video, Mentour. I remember reading that a firm touchdown is necessary when the runway is wet to ensure there is no sideways skidding, drifting or aquaplaning. I hope you all have a FanTasTic Christmas. :)
3:20 I have a good excuse : I fly a glider !
Really informative and interesting video,(as always!). Thank you.
Growing up in a military family we always joked that pilots who flew in the Navy will land hard and ones from the Air Force will land soft
I’ve heard that. If it’s a slam stop landing, they’re Navy. If it’s firm with a rollout, they’re Air Force.
Sir, this was very interesting! I know people who refuse to fly no matter what. I'll have to do some research and find out more about you, and the videos you have to offer.