I played around with my VPN on my mobil. forgot about it. then got a add for singel pepole close to Ashburn Virginia. for a second I thought it was strange. as I am living in scandinavia. then i laughed, as i recoginised why.
No music background please. It's irritating & distracting. You didn't used to add it. Why start now. I'm dissappointed in you. I thought you were more mature, professional & sensible. At one point I can hardly hear what your saying. Bldy ridiculous
When Niki Lauda was told by Boeing that they wouldn't release a statement on wether they take the blame, he basically said to them "If it's so safe to deploy the thrust reversers mid flight, give me a 767 and I'll try it". Boeing said they couldn't do that because it's unsafe. Niki Lauda was an incredible person.
@@Ergzay then go check the history. If you find something that conflicts with my comment, then link it. All I heard is that Lauda was deeply passionate about aviation and cared about the victims lost in a flight under his name. Of course he wanted to preserve the image of his airline, why wouldn't he, but he was certain that his company wasn't to blame for the crash, so he tried to prove it.
My favourite part of the investigation is that Niki Lauda's response to Boeing refusing to admit fault was "ok then give me a 767 and let me deploy thrust reversers in flight, if I die I die" and Boeing said it wasn't safe and Lauda went AHA!
Ha ha Boeing doesn't build the engines or thrust reverser for said engine the Engine Manufacturer does. we install by there specifications. ME? Boeing over thirty years with.
Sorry @@mikefowler301 , but if i made a TV or automobile with dud components, I'd still be liable - it's Boeing that writes the manuals and issues the Directives, right ?
@@mikefowler301 Apple doesnt manufacture their screens assemble their phones or heck even ship them to the user with apple shipping, their customer service is from a third party vendor and repairs are done by others as well. If my screen goes black one day and i call apple they will not tell me to call samsung, they will ask if there is any damage and then cover it through warranty. So what was my point, oh yes.. It doesnt matter who you bought the parts from, the whole piece that Boeing sold is what their responsibility covers, otherwise it will all lead to a mine in Congo where a 8 year old dug up the metals used.
@@eriksvensson2098 To be fair, that's not really the same thing. If your phone screen breaks it's just an inconvenience. If engines stops working. Hundreds of people fall tens of thousands of feet out of the sky. On a phone it may not matter who makes the individual parts, but on a plane it does. Which is not to say Boeing is free from liability. But who made what matters a lot more on situations like this
I am Austrian and I still remember the news in the radio about this accident. It's unbelievable that this happened to Lauda Air, safety was everything for Niki Lauda, already back then a living legend. He did everything to make sure to find out what really happened, he was convinced it was not the fault from his airline, and he was right.
@@thewhitefalcon8539 Good luck firing the majority share holder. Lauda was the quintessential blunt and to the point person. When Boeing tried to get him to accept blame/accept blame on his pilot's behalf, he offered to take a plane and go through the procedures that Boeing claimed the pilots should have done. With him flying and the execs on board (and ofc the benefit of not being taken by surprise and knowing exactly what's gonna happen). They refused, not wanting to put their own asses on the line. Boeing has a history of this, btw. They did the same with the MAX and other incidents, trying to blame pilot error and claiming it was "recoverable with our guidelines".
@@youtubemodsaresnowflakelef7692 the rudder mess in the 90's as example but it re-appeared hence Trump shut those models down. The media just yelled at Trump for "hurting US american companies" what a joke...
Mr. Lauda cemented his reputation for honesty, safety, truth and fact, amongst other outstanding traits, here in The U.S. after this horrific tragedy. Seeing the Ceo/Owner of an airline that had his name on the side of it, AT the accident site! was something myself and many others had never seen until that day and have not seen it since. Absolutely Amazing human being I wish I had the privilege of knowing. R.i.p. To the passengers
Knowing that Niki Lauda was one of the people to push for safety reforms in Formula 1 after his horrible accident in the Nürburgring, the accident must've affected him very badly
In his biography he says this accident was a far worse experience for him than what happened to him in F1. He said driving an F1 car and accepting the risk coming with that was his own decision. But this accident was 200+ losing their lives because something out of their control went wrong. This affected him deeply. He also recounted a story of when he visited a mass funeral for 83 unidentified victims of the flight (I think in Bangkok). He saw a young Austrian boy throwing seashells into the mass grave. When he asked his grandmother she said they were for the young boys parents who both perished in the accident. Lauda deeply cared about the lives lost. He even said publicly if his airline was at fault here he would end the company.
Lauda had a hell of a time getting Lauda Air off the ground (no pun intended) in the first instance, with so much opposition from Austria Airlines who didn’t want competition. A one off character.
It's even more sad when you see Niki Lauda at the crash site. He's was of the purest hearts there was. Such an amazing human doesn't deserve this much pain on his shoulders.
I remember Nikki Lauda brings a few passenger's family to see the crash site. Lauda even made a statement "People died on my plane" that broke my heart. He really cares about his customers.
Niki Lauda was always a fighter, fighting to get into Formula 1, fighting for his life after his horrific Nurburgring crash, fighting for better safety standards, fighting for fairer driver contracts and fighting to get to the truth of this accident.
He put his personal and professional reputation on the line to get to the bottom of it. He even said if the cause was a training or maintenance deficiency on the part of his company he would personally resign from Lauda Air, what an upstanding man
Worth noting that Nikki Lauda really had to push Boeing to investigate this further. If not for his persistence these people may have died in vain. He REALLY cared about his airline.
Yeah, Boeing wrote it off as pilot error. He was the 1, who showed up in Seattle and kept going through it in their simulator, until they had to admit, there was more to it, that no pilots couldve done, what needed to be done in time to save the plane. Sadly, Boeing didnt learn from it and did the exact same thing with the 737MAX with no Lauda to stop them that time.
Yeah, most of the videos on this channel feature a long chain of errors and mistakes (design, manufacturing, maintenance, procedure, training, pilot error etc.) to get to an accident. Here it went from flying completely normally (with the only indication of anything being off being the thrust reverser isolation warning that all training and procedure painted as not concerning) to completely doomed, in what? 20? 30? seconds.
24:04 there is formula 1 legend Nikki Lauda who owned the airline. He got on site as soon as possible and wanted to know how the accident happened to make sure it wouldn’t happen again. You’ll never see an airline CEO or owner ever rush to the site of an accident and not hide behind a plethora of lawyers. What a stand up guy.
Lauda later said that he had more suffering from this crash than from his 1976 F1 accident ( ever saw that movie Rush ?). Considering how badly burned he was, and nearly died, it says something about how the air disaster affected him. R.I.P Lauda (1949-2019).
Thank you for this episode. I knew Niki Lauda personally. He was most devastated since Boeing tried to cover up. He threatened them to go all out public, if they do not come out with the findings. He was one of THE greatest human beings I ever met in my lifetime.
What were his motivations for founding an airline? I find it worth noting that it was a likely systemic lack of safety standards that led to this. Because, maybe grounding a plane until you have found the technical detail would be seen as endangering the survival of the business, and that already created complicity. We always have to look at the karmic balance sheet. Same reason why if you want to cause positive change, going into politics is not necessarily a good way to do that because there you might limit your freedoms to act accordingly.
As an F1 fan since he started in the sport, maybe a year or so longer (I was v young!), one thing I always admired about him was his determination to do the right thing, no matter the cost to himself. That is a characteristic of the few people I've known or known of that puts them in my highest position of regard. Even though I'm a Brit and of course, as an 11 year-old at the time, I was willing Hunt to win the championship, I continued to admire Niki from round one of the season. I don't think I breathed properly after the German GP until the news came that he had pulled through. That was news which all motorsports fans across the globe were desperate to hear. His return to the track from that horrific accident - I was going to say "astounded" me, but I don't think that's strong enough a word. He had already impressed me, both for his skills and honour, but despite the years, that day I actually remember crying with relief to see that he was almost back to his old self in a car, and then crying more out of sympathy on seeing the state of his face after the race. The pain must have been extreme. And to be honest, come that race in Japan, I was more relieved that he retired on safety grounds than glad that it gave Hunt the win. (It's known that Hunt absolutely admired Niki beyond words, before and after that season.) It took a massive pair of "brass ones" as we say, to stand up to the world and say "No, it's too dangerous." It's far too easy to give into peer pressure to continue, but he was always beyond that (otherwise he'd have been a banker IIRC!) His involvement in the investigation is legendary amongst his fans. It was something which didn't surprise us, but to take on the might of Boeing was something that not many individuals _could_ let alone would do. It was a relief to hear the truth when it came out, because I remember that Boeing were trying to blame his company and the pilots. That sort of behaviour cannot be allowed, and as ever, Niki led the way and gave strength to other individuals who needed to take on big corporations. His legend lives on, and his actions will continue to have an effect on the behaviour of big business long after we're gone, I'm sure. I'm sorry you lost your friend too soon. I know it was a miracle he lived as long as he did (stubborn old so'n'so lol), but it was still too soon.
@@y_fam_goeglyd Mandy, I love your comments! Not many people appreciate what a remarkable man Niki was! F1 drivers from that era were a special breed, but to me Niki stood taller than the rest because of his remarkable character. My first in person F1 race was the 1976 US Grand Prix West at Long Beach. I was a Lauda fan and a Ferrari fan. We had pit row grandstand seats right above the Ferrari pits. It was a Ferrari 1-2 weekend. Clay Reggazoni was on fire, taking pole, fastest lap and leading from start to finish. Niki finished second, increasing his lead in the driver's championship. James retired from third after an accident, only for the mechanics to find the car was still drivable after the race! A relative of mine was involved in bringing the Queen Mary to Long Beach, so I had access that many didn't that weekend. Met Chris Pook, Rob Walker, Phil Hill and Mario Andretti. Lots of history, too. Mario ran into Colin Chapman at a coffee shop the next morning, they agreed on Mario's Lotus ride on the spot. Ronnie Peterson, Patrick Depailler, Gunnar Nilsson and Tom Pryce all drove in that race. This was a golden era, and just five months before the Nurbirgring crash. Over the years, I have come to understand that Ferrari is not a good company. Enzo himself was not a nice person, nor a good person. (Things got worse after he passed.) It's interesting to think about a man like Niki driving for someone like Enzo. Morally, they were total opposites. It's easy to see why Niki walked away the way he did. Niki founded three airllines. In another remarkable episode, he faced down the Austrian government over routes they were protecting, with the same tenacity he brought to bear on Boeing. He won that one too, naturally! Along the way, he consulted for Ferrari, managed the ill-fated Jaguar F1 effort and was non-executive chairman and part owner of the Mercedes F1 team. He was instrumental in signing Lewis Hamilton. In a better world, we would all study great people with an eye toward making the best of ourselves. Niki would be at the top of that study list! Thank you for your post. It made my day!
@@Dowlphin Sounds so much like something another Boeing shareholder would say. The company has proven time and time again how incompetent and slimey they are. Why would you defend them?
@@poruatokin It is shocking and telling what childish accusations and strawmen are flying here from several commenters just to not have to look at the big picture and the systemic issues. This is part of the whole problem.
This episode is rather personal to me because I lost a good friend on this flight. Thanks anyway for your brilliant explanation and all your efforts that go into these videos.
My friend's dad was the pilot on this flight. Boeing tried to pin the disaster on him, but relented and admitted fault when Niki Lauda personally flew the simulator dozens of times and proved that it was a design flaw that Boeing knew about. Lauda threatened to call out Boeing publicly if they didn't stop trying to frame the crew.
One curiosity about this history and was beyond the scope of your video: accordingly to the Brazilian most respected F1 journalist Reginaldo Leme initially, Boeing strongly disagreed about the investigation conclusion and stood up with the position that this kind of failure was impossible. So Lauda himself went to Boeing's simulators and they lost the plane in all of the 15 flight simulations. However, Boeing kept denying that the Reverse deployment was the main cause and the pilots inputs was crucial to the crash. So Lauda convoked a press conference and challenged Boeing to a real flight with the same failure and initial conditions, only with himself and the test pilots a board. Boeing immediately retreat themself and assumed that the reverse deployment inflight was the main causa and the pilots wasn't trained to face the "impossible failure". I think Boeing executives didn't knew that Nikki Lauda went to Hell and came back a couple of decades earlier. One of the most tenacious and stubborn awesome human that ever lived.
Lauda was a badass. Nearly got burned alive in an F1 car, he knows real fear and danger. Someone like him has real empathy for what the crash victims went through, while the Boeing execs in cushy offices don't
@@stormix5755 Safety was his first priority after his almost fatal crash. And he communicate clearly when he choosed safety over a championship in 1976. The guy was a legend, he faced alone the angry and dark side of the most passionate fans of the entire motorsport, the "Tifosi". If you are smart, you don't try to make fun over someone like him.
One thing I'm actually missing from this is how long Boeing was denying that there was a flaw with the design, and that activating reverse thrust in such a situation would be completely uncontrollable, until Lauda said that he himself would take one of the planes and replicate this situation to see if it would be possible, for of he fails it will just him dying, while when he should be able to control the situation, he would resign. It was there where Boeing then admitted that it would be unsafe
It amazes me how much he was able to achieve in his life, F1 champion, total badass for returning to racing weeks after the horrific crash, a qualified pilot, an incredible businessman and he even got a company as shady as Boeing to back down. He then went on to be part of the one of the most dominant F1 teams in history in an advisory role until the day he sadly passed away
@@bmxerqf882 not only that, he is the one that insisted with Mercedes on hiring Lewis Hamilton in 2014, the board (including Toto Wolff) didn't really want to but Lauda insisted until he had his way. We all know what happened afterwards from 2014 to 2021. Niki was one of a kind, we will all really miss him
I can imagine it... you'd have just enough time to think "o god we're gonna crash!" as the plane twists sideways and breaks apart. between the wings shearing off and impact was only a few seconds. doesn't take long to hit the ground at Mach .99 or higher.
@@marhawkman303 maybe, but please understand the idea of going through something like this would still be horrible, may all those who lost their lived rest easy.
@@RiftWalker111 Well, yes, but if something like this would happen, I'd rather die in 5 seconds instead of being freightened to death for tens of minutes while knowing inevitable will come sooner or later.
As an Austrian, this episode is very personal, as I still remember how Niki Lauda was on TV on a regular basis, trying to explain what was going on and answering questions and correct misinformation. Really thank you for covering this incident
Lauda was the only CEO I know from an airline who went out to the crash side by himself and made Boeing pay for their crap they did. (dunno which incident ist actually was...) He also appeared on Maday Alarm in cockpit. And he also fought hard legally for the families and pilots. They were struggling with this reverser issue for years up until this accident.
Yes he absolutely did go to the crash sight. It was one of this aircraft, other than a formula driver, also a pilot. He did address this abnormalities to manufacturer Boeing. In reference to thrust reverser deploying during flight. He also tried to recover his craft, in a simulator scenario, unfortunately he was not able to recover, craft was not able to come back to normal flight during stall/dive.
I love how Niki Lauda handled this. He gave a sht about politics and PR and just wanted the families to know what happened and Boeing to communicate what the reason was. He was a great goodhearted man.
Not the case now with Boeing, big business comes in and look what happens. I'm worried now about Qantas . 10 years ago I would say it was one of the safest Airlines. With what is going on now with cost cutting. I doubt their reputation will last
It's difficult to forget Boeing CEO Muilenburg, sitting in front of Congress during the MAX737 hearings, testifying to all the victims families he was just a good old country boy (except for the sizzling-hot golden parachute he then rode on out of Dodge)!💰🪂💰
It’s beyond me how these people had it in them to loot the crash site. They surely must have stepped over the remains of all those corpses. It’s really disturbing. God bless Niki Lauda for standing up against Boeing and bringing justice to the victims.
I live in Thailand, road accident looting is still happening, some people are really desperate, anything that can be sold and they can get away with would get stolen. It wasn't much of a surprised some people loot downed planes.
Stealing from the dead is just wrong. Unless it's an emergency situation. Such as taking a jacket off a deceased person to keep yourself or someone else from freezing to death. Life or death emergency situations. Starving to death even. I dont think it's right to loot the dead just to loot or for greed. I can see why for emergencies.
As an F1 fan, and a large fan of Niki Lauda, I really admire Niki's involvement with the aftermath. He flew out to the crash site as soon as he could and got so personally invested. Not something you see many airline CEOs doing after crashes like this.
Very true. This is the difference of family owned companies vs. some moneybags own companies and chose reckless hacks as CEOs. Reminds me of the terror attack in Tunis a few years back - dozens of cruise passengers were killed in a museum. Costa sent some PR person. MSCs CEO, son in law of the founder, Pierfrancesco Vago was there in person the very next day.
It's deeply troubling that each time a fix was attempted to the fault, it reset the clock. Persistent faults like this should accumulate time to prevent long standing issues wating to catch you out.
Anyone who's consumed the whole Max8 scandal is likely to conclude that, when it comes to safety, Boeing talk the talk, but don't walk the walk. I'm reminded of Ralph Nader and those exploding fuel tanks of Chevrolet/Ford production cars in the 70s. Perhaps you recall the phrase of those days, "Too big to care!"
I think the key point here is that Boeing basically said it was a minor issue and not worth grounding the plane for, and the "reset" wasn't just the engineers slapping duct tape on the problem and hoping it'll work, they were replacing actual components. To use the example of a ground vehicle, it wouldn't be an oil pressure light, it'd be like if your passenger airbag light kept coming on when there wasn't a passenger on board, and so you kept taking it to a mechanic and they kept replacing your airbag or the fuse or electronic components as per the car dealer's instructions and being like "hopefully it's fixed this time". Each time you take it to them you think this time you've finally fixed the problem, but you both know it's been a minor but problematic problem. It's something you both want to get to the bottom of, but the most important part is that you have a drivable car. Then one day your passenger air bag explodes violently, blasting you with shrapnel from your dashboard, incapacitating you, and you hit a semi and cause a 10-car pile up. All because your car dealer did incorrect safety testing on the airbags they were using and then assured you and everyone else they were totally fine.
@@SaltExarch The thing I think you’re missing here is that it was a minor problem they thought they had handled until it suddenly and horrifically wasn’t. Fortunately these people didn’t die in vain and a solution that actually fixed the problem was found but unfortunately things that result in minor issues 100% of the time and then suddenly result in a horrific tragedy are bound to happen.
True. My only nit to pick is the use of background music. I really wish folks wouldn't use it during narrations, as it competes with the speaker. There is enough drama in the actual video without having music attempt to add to it. I turned on cc and muted various parts. The auto cc does a decent job of getting the words right, even if there is no punctuation. Again, the video itself and all the tech work putting it together is great; I'm just not in favor of the music.
Nikki Lauda sounds like a real champ. Being persistent and getting down in the mud (literally) and even potentially putting his life on the line to insure the safety of his employees and customers.
Niki was a 3x F1 world champion (watch Rush if you haven’t. Same guy.) Anyway, he was also a commercial pilot as well. He also didn’t take crap from anyone. He had faced death head-on and was still standing. When Niki spoke, everyone listened. Still, I feel this was his greatest legacy. How many lives have been saved due to Niki staring Boeing down and refusing to blink?
@Scott Lawton yep. Seen it and knew the name when i heard it. But never knew about his involvement in aviation until this video. I did some digging on him and how he handled this incident. His battle with the airline industry would have made just as good a movie. To think they could have made a sequel to Rush and it still be a true story and epic. I always thought he was pretty cool but this ordeal sent my respect for the man through the roof.
The level of detail in your illustrations is amazing. Some elements of the accident in this episode bring to mind one story that I would love to see you cover: the 1994 incident with FedEX 705. Specifically, how did an injured pilot and a DC10 survive an inverted dive in excess of 650 kts, lose the counterweights in the tail, perform acrobatics like a fighter, and manage to land overweight, overspeed and with a full load of fuel? The reason this came to mind is because this same plane (now a MD10) was in the news again last month, when it performed an emergency landing in Tulsa. This led to a lot of discussion in the comments (on a couple different platforms) about the first incident, and several of the details are quite similar to those in this video. The difference was, the DC10 held together and landed more or less safely. Now, the most recent incident with N306Fe happened on 7th June, when a suspected cargo fire that turned out to be 2 entirely unrelated bugs. Literally, a cloud of 5000 escaped ladybugs in cargo that triggered the smoke sensors, plus a heat signature in the same general area caused by some exhaust issue in the #2 engine. Anyways, there are quite a few avgeeks in the US that follow this plane (still hauling cargo 30 years later) and it would be really cool to see you illustrate what happened during that amazing incident. There is so much technical stuff that got skipped in the one documentary I’ve seen on it, which focuses almost entirely on what motivated the guy that attempted the hijacking (which led to the arial maneuvers in an attempt to keep the attacker off balance), and what physical injuries the crew had. Haven’t seen much of anything on what happened to the airplane, but there are pretty good details in a book. Would be awesome if you could illustrate this incident on your channel sometime!
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Wait, does he do these illustrations himself?! I’m a new subscriber, I was just trying to figure out where he gets these detailed renderings from. My goodness, this must take him forever.
A very sanitised account - (that's understandable), Niki Lauda had to get involved to make Boeing admit it was their fault. Lauda was devastated by this and did everything he could to get to the bottom of it. At great personal expense. If anyone doesn't know who Niki Lauda is, look him up, an unbelievable legend. The movie Rush is a great starting point.
I wish I couldve met Mr. Lauda. Im sure many people thought his perfectionist nature was unctuous and irritating, but in this situation, his dedication to getting things done and done right is wonderful. I remember an interview where he was enraged that he couldn’t publicly clear his name and the name of his airline until the lawyers at Boeing could craft and release a statement deflecting as much blame as they could. Im sure that dick move on Boeing’s part signaled the beginning of the end of the the old-school boeing we all remember fondly.
Sounds like a large scale version of the faulty Cessna design that resulted in water being allowed to remain in the fuel tanks despite proper pre-flight testing. Now it has been demonstrated and Cessna still blames the pilot whenever there's a crash due to contaminated fuel. The only exceptions are when the pilot survives and can prove the pre-flight fuel test was done properly.
Wow, that is one of the most horrific crashes I've ever known of. If I were on the plane, I'd hear the reassuring ding from cockpit to CC at FL10 start getting comfortable and then all of a sudden...words can't describe how terrifying that must have been.
That's a bit simikar how it happened for me in an emergency landing. My fear of flying is massive so I tried to keep mydelf calm for about 30 minutes from take off into the flight and whike that usually works, an emergency was suddenly announced 30 minutes in due to some kind of engine vibration and we had to return back (safely). Apparently some people also spotted an airport on the ground being suspicious of our aircraft and taking pictures of said engine, I guess we were never safe until we re-landed.
Niki Lauda was an amazing guy. F1 driver, turned entrepreneur. When all air traffic was grounded due to volcanic clouds and the authorities were discussing around forever, he got so pissed, he took one of his Boeings to fly through it to prove that it's safe and that the effect on the engines could be studied. He was extremely distraught by this crash.
Thanks for the great and thought provoking video. It's rare amongst the investigations you have produced to see an air disaster caused only by the failure of the aircraft systems.
@@MentourPilot I love your channel and applaud all pilots for their fantastic skills! I am afraid to fly but love it so much that I get on the plane anyway! It is thoroughly exciting to fly!
@@Netbase2000 look at how many comments he gets. It’s just not practical for people with larger channels to address every comment. He may still read every comment even if he doesn’t respond.
The quality of your content these days is growing exponentially, and it was always great to begin with. I have just added you to the very short list of creators I support via Patreon in hopes that your fantastic production team will be well remunerated and stick with you for a very long time. My contribution is a pittance, but if a few thousand more subscribe we can help to ensure this content continues. Well done Petter!
A tragic story, for sure, but like the others below I have to say that Nikki Lauder's persistence was unbelievable and that without him this accident may well have happened again. I have seen some interview footage with him talking about this accident and it is clear to see how much this meant to him - not just as an airline but as a man who knew more about staring death in the face than most. Legend and hero are terms that are bandied around too easily, but in Lauda's case completely deserved.
Your "crew" are really knocking it out of the park on their graphics during your videos. Very nicely done and very informative. Keep up the great work.
As an engineer, I am shocked at the lack of failure mode analysis on this aircraft. Not considering thrust reverser deployment at higher than idle speed is just pathetic. I would reject a FMECA outright if I saw that. I would need to study this more, but this might be criminal negligence.
I agree. Also, I think that the worst low altitude situation would be system accidentally deploying reverse thrust on the left immediately after the plane has flied over the end of the runway. In that situation engine power is high and altitude is very low. Even if you couldn't figure out that high altitude situation would be bad, the takeoff configuration should have been included in testing at very minimum. (Or even worse situation would be deploying reverse thrust on all engines after the takeoff but that's definitely not possible to fix and shouldn't happen with true redundancy anyway.)
You do know this is very easy to say in hindsight? You don't even know all the details. I'm not defending their decision, but I find it laughable you think you'd do anything differently just because you're an engineer. I'm an engineer too, but it isn't my field, and also I do not argue from authority.
@@mortblackthorn187 they actually don't, but all plane manufacturers will try to avoid responsibility as their first reaction. They do have a lot riding on it after all.
Having been a commercial pilot for 42 years and a senior captain with TRI/TRE rating for a Major airline I deeply understand all the interesting case studies that Mentour Pilot brings to the audience. He really represent the modern pilot mentality. In this accident Niki Lauda has demonstrated to be tougher than when he was racing. In my childhood he was my favourite driver. But one thing that really impress me is the fact (nowadays it should be named THREAT in the TEM philosopy and modern CRM) that tis poor crew had to fly HKG-BKK-VIE on minimum crew of two pilots. This means pushing to the limit (and beyond) the fatigue concept. All of them, and the poor passengers,...RIP
The pilot did a brilliant job diagnosing the issue within 10 seconds. But just not within 4-6 secs required to recover the aircraft. I can imagine the first 4 secs were used up in complete terror and shock
The only way any pilot could have stopped this crash was if they could react to it out of pure, blind instinct. To be dealing with it before their conscious mind had even realised what was happening. That requires an incredible amount of training, and practice, and experience, something no one is going to have in a completely novel situation.
@@alyessamaddox7022Yes, and airline pilots are specifically trained *not* to immediately take action when an unusual event occurs, because of the very real risk of making the situation worse if you act before you're sure what is going on. The only way a flight crew could have reacted in time to this is if they'd been specifically trained for exactly this situation, which of course they hadn't been, sadly.
These episodes are some of the most high quality content I have ever seen. Everything from the way you talk to the way the animations are made are on top of the world! There are movies from hollywood that could not match your quality. keep up the fantastic work and never stop what you are doing.
He and his team are truly amazing. They should have their own show on Netflix! I started watching these videos around 3 weeks ago working my way through every video. I can’t believe how much I’ve learnt from watching these video. I could honestly listen to him talk for hours
What !??? Using the wrong airline which has completely different engines!! What is good about that..??? What is "high quality " about that. Lazy and technically incompetent. .......
Disgusting that the wreck site was looted! Wow! I was in Dallas in the 80s when the Delta wind sheer crash happened and people were stealing the luggage that had fell out of the plane after it skipped across the highway. What kind of person does this? Shame!
Unfortunately humans tend to be disgusting most of the time, in some kind of specific environments. "They're dead anyways" is probably what those looters thought, when you're extremely poor you take everything you can get, respect means nothing
Well, I have always wondered what would happen if a thrust reversal occurred in flight. I did not know that this had actually happened in 1991. I often watch the thrust reversals when they deploy upon landing and see how fast they deploy. Although a complex problem, you provided an excellent description of the mechanism, failure warning history and the event itself that was easily understandable to non-technical viewers. Even though this was long ago, may all of those impacted by this tragedy be at peace.
The same sort of failure occurred in a Fokker 100 on climbout in Brazil in October 1996 - TAM (Transportes Aéreos Regionais) Flight 402. Wikipedia says "All 95 people on board were killed, as well as another 4 on the ground."
The CVR of this accident is terrifying. Can't tell how fast that vertical dive went but it must been well over mach 1. You can tell the wind was literally cushing the plane until it broke apart in mid air.
For me as an Austrian citizen this is a very interesting video! Nearly everyone here in my country knows about this accident. Lauda Air was a great airline back then! What even I didn't knew was, that the midair brakeup of the aircraft was so horrifying!! Interesting facts to add woud be that this flight was also the worst Austrian air accident, since the aircraft was registert here. And this was the only crash of a 767 that wasn't caused by pilot error or due to a hijacking. Have a great day out there!
Which airline/incident was it where runway aquaplaning prevented reverse thrust and caused a disaster? That and this incident are somewhat reminiscent together.
This was by far the most petrifying accident video of yours I've watched so far. Your narration actually takes me there. I can't imagine. Did any of the witnesses hear a sonic boom?
Thanks for this video Petter. As an Austrian citizen, I can very well recall this tragic loss of a full Boeing 676 - and the struggle the late owner Niki Lauda had to face, when Boeing (already back then) wanted to blame the incident on bad maintenance of a small airline, before they finally had to admit that it was actually a faulty construction of the thrust reversers…
So Boeing actually had a history of doing so? Now I'm starting to question whether MU5735 was actually lost due to a suicidal pilot, and whether the CVR data was actually unrecoverable.
It was both, Lauda wanted o appear as he hero he wasn't and succeeded. He was a hack in a series of hacks, like Trump. Being a famous racer doesn't make you a good and repsonsible manager.
@@IvanDmitriev1 You can think of Niki Lauda what you want, this accident was definitely not his fault or the fault of his airline. He was world champion as a F1 car racer and recovered from an almost deadly accident and won again. If one thing, he was a Phoenix that resurrected from the ashes twice (after his accident and after this crash). Lauda Air was famous for its Service, but could ultimately not cope with the competition of Austrian and Lufthansa. But he even managed to start a new airline (Niki), which he ultimate sold to RyanAir (due to the demise of AirBerlin). I do not know many people who have started and successfully sold two airlines and have won the F1 championship several times.
Lauda was one tough cookie. Never swayed by feelings, only fact. He took Boeing to task, and I idolize his ruthlessly truthful sarcasm. He spoke the hard truths.
@InsaneMetro The problem is that the tests were lacking. The testing was done at 10,000. Niki’s pilots were at 29,000 feet and at full speed. The thin air made the deployment of a thrust reverser deadly.
I guess what mostly counts, is how close the aircraft is to it's stall speed. If the thrust reversers are deployed close to stall speed, the speed will quickly drop critically low - at the same time as the forward air stream in it self reduces lift. At high altitude, they are not going very high above the stall speed, despite going fast (the thinner the air becomes, the more speed they need to generate lift). In this case with it deploying on only one engine, the thrust asymmetry also get extreme and more than what pilots usually train to handle and aircraft designers take into count (usually the worst case is to flying with one engine shut off - but here there is one engine that produces normal forward thrust and the other one trying to push the aircraft backwards). Also the speed of sound doesn't change very much with altitude - so there is a big risk of hitting or even exceeding the speed of sound (and get ripped apart by the aerodynamic forces) like they did here, if things go out of control. That risk isn't at all that high at lower altitudes.
Something similar happened here in Brazil back in 31 October, 1996 to TAM flight 402. It was a Fokker 100 and a faulty switch in conjunction with a possible short circuit caused the right engine's thrust reverser to deploy. The plane fell only 24 seconds after takeoff, killing all 96 people on board and 3 on the ground
@@gertjanvandermeij4265 What for the uncommanded reverser operation at cruise? That is so dumb. Fact is he would have bankrupted himself to find the cause. he never gave up after getting brushed off by everyone. I feel for your family if you make stuff up in your head.
I was a child when this happened, but I remember our neighbour talking about him going on this Trip. He was a University Professor and suffered from a fear of flying. That's all too tragic...I also know someone who lost both parents in this horrible accident. All Austria was shocked and Niki Lauda himself was devastated..May those souls rest in Peace.
“I would have probably thought the same.” This is why I watch these videos, to get an inside look into the training reactions of pilots during emergencies.
my God the description of the crash sounds absolutely terrifying...having to hear the aircraft literally breaking apart as you're crashing to earth sounds like a living nightmare, not to mention the speed it was going and the fire...can't even imagine the fear these people went through
As someone who has really bad flight anxiety, I have no idea why I love your videos so much. That should go to show how well you make them, and the level of production that goes into it. Cheers to you!
Your detailed description of the crash/breakup sequence actually gave me chills. Horrible to think about the last moments of this flight, trying to fight for control just to witness your aircraft disassemble itself. Never the less this is an incredibly interesting story and very well produced.
This is not "disassembly". That implies clean and orderly separation of components without damaging them, like field stripping a rifle. This is inertial forces savagely tearing the jet to pieces. This is the laws of physics sneering at the pilots' attempts to save lives and saying, "No. I refuse. Scream for me. And weep in despair." This is everything going wrong in a truly inevitable tragedy. The only way to stop this would have been to ground that plane that day before this had a chance to happen.
Lost both my grandparents in TWA's Flight 128 (controlled flight into terrain due to pilot error) in what would be at that time, America's worst air disaster. Since that event, private aviation became a big part of our family's lifestyle. Yours is an excellent channel. Keep up the good work!
I remember when this accident happened there was a lot of speculation about what happened. Nikki Lauda is such a perfectionist that he did not rest until the answer was found. The loss of this aircraft and people affected him a lot. I don't think he ever got over it.
Niki is an incredibly wonderful human. He never got over this but I am glad he push Boeing to try to be as honest as he was in communicating the issues at hand and to the public.
This has to be the most horrific air crash I have seen, more so because the pilots had no options. They died as heroes trying to save their aircraft!! Your explanation is so well done! Thank You.
Glad you're back! Hope that you and your team are all well. Another stunning video. I think this is the most terrifying air crash I've encountered, both in terms of the fact that 1) the airline knew about the problem but as per guidelines, they kept the plane in the air, and 2) the experience those poor souls on board must have endured.
Petter, you are an awesome story teller. You make technical matters not only understandable to a lay audience, but fascinating. I love how you organize and lay out the events. And, of course, your graphic depictions are incredible. Keep it up!
I was in the brand new Mozart 1990. I felt so safe. Best service ever. From Sydney to Vienna. Nicki Lauda took off himself. I was shocked, when I heard of the crash.
This was very hard to watch, got goosebumps when you started describing the way this aircraft was quickly being destroyed by such massive forces and under such terrible circumstances. I cannot imagine how the people on board must have felt during their last moments... What a horrible accident. Rest in peace to all involved 😔 On another note, thank you Petter for this amazing quality work and for your channel! I am so thankful to have found your content at the right time, you have helped me overcome my newly developed fear of flying and now I am a big aviation enthusiast, even more than I was before I had a traumatic flight experience! I hope you know how much you have helped me and I am sure many others too. Keep up the amazing work! Greetings from Germany!
That is the single most terrifying scenario I've ever seen happen. My heart bleeds for the crew and passengers, but especially for the crew as they tried to manage an unmanageable situation.
So Boeing was able to get certification for this system simply through modeling. And then actual flight testing was only done after the plane was full of passengers. In what universe does this make any sense at all?
And the only reason the modeling worked, was because they had to set the right conditions of low altitude and low speed. Not because "those were the most likely conditions for trust reversers to deploy" but because those were the only conditions it would be ok
@@Clint52279 whenever there's big money and a regulatory system you're going to have corruption, just look at big pharma and the ammount of people switching back and forth between being FDA officials and working for a pharma corp, or the banking system and financial regulatory bodies and so on. I wonder if that's also the case with the aero industry.
I've been waiting for new videos from you and I hope your editors are doing well. Thanks for putting this on the playlist so keen subscribers like us can have an early watch.
I worked for austrian as a flight attendant for a brief period. During that time i met the pilot that traded this trip away to his colleague and friend. It was crazy hearing him talk about how all this unfolded, while he could've very well been the one that was on the flight deck when all this happened.
I flew on this aircraft at least once, probably more. Lauda had two B767-300 ERs, one being the Mozart and the other the Strauss. I flew on both. I flew with them in 1989, so a couple of years before this. I also flew on the B777 aircraft he operated later. Lauda were a fantastic airline; probably the best I've ever flown on.
This is some absolutely fantastic play by play walkthrough of such an accident. Its a long episode but i dont think its possible to really shorten it without loosing information, and i honestly dont feel like a shortening is needed to keep someone invested in the story. Absolutely amazing. Also, i cant feel anything but sadness for the people lost due to this accident.
I find the "assumption" of the flight test parameters for the reverse thrusters very odd. Wouldn't one want to test all possible scenarios (not only most likely/critical (assumed critical). High(est) speed would be one of the most logical tests with a component that affects drag and stress on material? I just don't understand this oversight.
but then it would show a problem, and we know how Boeing approaches problems like these, remember the 737 MAX basically - at that time there was little to no oversight of certification, so manufacturer comes up with his own scenarios, tests and procedures, that is what goes into the book the second pilot picked up and saw no actions necessary
@@dghtr79_36 yeah, you've hit the nail on the head. Regulators have to drive testing, corporations have a conflict of interest and will ignore problems. Just like the 737-MAX engine retrofitting and unannounced MCAS addition.
Not only that but there is a lot of great production work put into these .. I'm a little jealous because aviation accident investigation has been my personal obsession for as long as I can remember.. he does the best job of anyone I've seen on youtube .. probably owing to the fact that he also flies.
Thank you for a technical description that people not involved in aviation, can appreciate. The graphics of the disintegrating aircraft are of very high quality but bone chilling. I know it has been many years since this tragic accident, but RIP all the victims.
This is the first of your videos that honestly scared me. The pilots didn't really do anything wrong. They didn't really have time to do anything different anyway. The decent and crash just looked absolutely terrifying. I hope the passengers and crew lost consciousness before the worst of it. Can you imagine looking out the window and seeing the wings break off and a fireball enveloping the passengers behind you? You'd know you were about to die. I can't imagine anything more terrifying end. Rest in peace to everyone on that flight
[SPOILER] To think I was expecting a (hopefully survivable) simple stall when I opened this video. It’s the most evil thing I’ve ever seen, the combination of mechanical and natural forces acting on this plane almost seemed sentient and paranormal. The analogy giant hand turning a corkscrew was utterly chilling. Rest in peace to all aboard, I so hope their families find peace🙏
what was "god" doing while he watched this disaster unfold? Nevermind, the engineers who give us flight will study and solve this particular issue. Thanks for nothing, "god".
600+ KIAS is actually being in heaven. No airline aircraft is designed nor has any headroom in construction left for this ridiculous speed. Most of them have a Vne of 330 to 340 KIAS. (Vne = velocity Never Exceed). Actually it was a bit surprising how long it lasts at those speeds, every second was a godsend or a delay to death in that case...
Hello from Greece! i know nothing about aviation but i enjoy your videos as an mechanical engineer. Most of all i want to thank you for the way you tell us the story without offending the pilots that made mistakes in some stories, but trying to understand the workload they 've been. Thanks for helping me trying to be a better teamate at my job. Please keep your high quality as professional and as human!
I remember Niki Lauda personally got involved in the investigation and it became clear that Boeing was trying to cover-up the real cause of the accident. It took Niki Lauda, a qualified pilot, and a man famous for his no-nonsense relentless determination, to directly take-on the Boeing company, to prove what happened, and to force the truth out of Boeing. Sadly, 30 years after this accident not much seems to have changed at Boeing.
I know this is probably sexist and whatever..But Niki Lauda was a GOD among men!!! A professional Formula One Champion, a gentleman driver with nothing bad to say about his rivals. A man that nearly had his face burned off among other things and didn't give up!! Became a pilot, and an airline owner and damn did he care about his passengers AND his employees!! Defied Boeing to give those passengers and crew and their families closure and a safer airline industry. If that doesn't make Niki an inspiration I don't know what would?
@@deathstrike Totally agree! He raced just 40 or so days after the crash that nearly killed him (and which would have killed a lesser person) and his fire-proof balaclava (under his helmet) became soaked in blood from his wounds seeping from his earlier accident - yet (from memory) he still finished 4th in his comeback race.
@@deathstrike Why would anybody think what you said is sexist? He WAS as man, right? There's nothing wrong with things that are true, stop apologizing for saying things that are true. Be proud of who you are, be it a man or woman, and don't let other people make you feel like you're less than them. Unless you're trying to lift heavy objects, because then you're more than a woman. They can't match our strength.
Peter really does make excellent videos. They are technical yet understandable, detailed, no filler, compassionate, educational, and somehow still manages to tell a good story. Very impressive.
Have started watching your videos and as a nervous flyer I feel understanding planes and the unbelievable safety that goes into every flight has actually calmed me. You have a natural way of describing things very easily. Your knowledge, compassion, the way you explain things and your tone is extremely good. You have became my favourite RUclipsr. Keep up the excellent work. I would happily fly on a plane you pilot!! 👌👍
Could anyone else feel the terror when he was describing the breakup of the plane? I was terrified just listening to it. From boring routine to absolute horror in 26 seconds! Those poor pilots, the cabin crew and the passengers never had a chance. Incredibly sad subject matter, incredibly well done!👍
This actually happened to me I was a passenger in a flight from LAX to Minneapolis. The thrust reverser activated shortly after takeoff and we had a hairy few seconds before the pilot managed to shut down the engine we turned back for a heavy landing with all the emergency equipment rolled out at LAX. A pilot friend of mine told me we were very lucky to get away with that.
@@davidpowell3347 no. 2 engines one each wing. I REPEAT THE 767 IS A TWO ENGINE ASSEMBLY. sorry for shouting but some people here tend to think a 2 means 4.
Imagine all the body parts at the site that they had to go through. They were probably collecting jewelry from fingers and hands they found and wallets from the remains of smashed torsos.
I suspect foul play. Maybe some secret agencies. Some unsafe cybersecurity techniques are to hoard software vulnerabilities in private, rather than publish them to be fixed. Maybe the same has been going on at Boeing; this would be consistent with their denial that the reversers are unsafe. These vulnerabilities could be used against adversaries later.
@@TheKatangeseDollarhe consciousness of the people in the countryside is at a medieval European level. The valves were just bits of copper. Surprised the authorities didn’t announce an immediate amnesty and small reward payment. But of course no-one would have trusted the authorities to follow through.
@@TheKatangeseDollar Thailand seems to have been described as a developing country since the 1950s. It's time to drop that "developing country" description and just say this is as good as it ever will get and move on.
Not exactly. The safety system worked, but the pilots hadn’t been trained for such an occurrence. When it happened, they thought the auto throttle had malfunctioned and were pushing the power back
@@Powerranger-le4up Not exactly! The pilots got no indication that a trust reverser was deployed and without this information they had no chance to interpret the behavior of the trust system and the whole airplane correctly! Lacking an indicator inform the pilots that a trust reverser is deployed a serious design error!
@@MentourPilot There are more accidents with deployed thrust reversers. A C5 Galaxy crashed in Ramstein on 20.8.1990 shortly after takeoff through an activated thrust reverser on engine 1 A Boeing 737-200 crashed after a go around because of a blocked runway on 11.2.1978 when the thrust reverser of engine 1 did not fully deactivate. I think the 737-200 had the "old" type of reversers, don't know about the C5 ....
I’ve been binge watching your videos for a couple months now since I discovered your channel, and normally I’m not disturbed too much by hearing about crashes, but this one really shocked me and was hard to watch. I can’t imagine what the people on board must have been thinking during the decent - in fact I hope they lost consciousness early on and didn’t experience most of it. Thank you for making these amazing videos, and rest in peace to everybody on board ❤️
@@davebarnard1029 since watching these videos i’ve become really interested in it and i’ve actually done some research. i’d absolutely love to but the money aspect is a massive problem ☹️ hopefully i figure out a way!
@@abbirae3003 but how has this and other such stories affected you regarding flying? do you still fly planes or have you been affected so badly that you refuse to get on them anymore and take ships, trains, buses and cars instead for traveling?
@@dreamthedream8929 no it’s not really affected me i don’t think. i’m definitely more aware and pay more attention when i’m flying, but it’s more in a “oh i understand what’s happening” kind of way instead of an impending sense of doom lol. watching this channel has made me realise how safe flying is and that it’s rare for these kind of events to happen, so it hasn’t put me off it at all
@@abbirae3003 i see, its different for you then. ive read that others dont want to be on the plane ever again after watching something like that. Ive also read that those that have survived plane crashes and those that have lost someone close to them in one refuse to fly after due to trauma. its incredibely safe, many airlines dont even have a single deadly crash, unbelievable. but then something like this happens and a plane simply starts falling out of the sky or nose diving, suddenly just like this. this is such a contrast to that safety, when some part does not quite work properly leads to these kinds of results. I think that people are also afraid to fly due to this sense of no room for error there and they dont trust the people working in the aviation. In a car if your window breaks, mirrors goes down, even roof blows off or what not, no problem usually, just stop and fix it and no injuries and no one dying a terrible death. On a plane something like this happens and it just starts falling out of the sky, what the hell
I never care for content warnings in such videos as it is a simulation and I can handle it. But man oh man, this one just pierced through my safe bubble. Extremely impactful. Be warned.
I remember this incredibly sad event....It is a very sad day to all aviation professionals when our passengers get injured ... or worse. "Back-in-the-day," when I had a guest in the flight deck during cruise, he asked, "Don't you ever get bored?" as he observed our relatively low workload. I thought, briefly, of the hundreds of critical things going on around us (near-supersonic air ripping by just inches from our heads; flying in the upper edges of an atmosphere where low pressures and temperatures are lethal; our dependence upon thousands of critical components; thousands of kilos of flammable liquids surging from tanks to engines and burning at incredibly hot temperatures; engines spinning at speeds and tolerances too critical to want to dwell on; the weather and navigation situations we always deal with.... etc.). I turned to him and just said, "Trust me - boring is GOOD! You wouldn't like 'exciting.' Nuff said.
"Fortunately," the pilots were most likely unconscious at the moment of impact. They must have felt extreme fear for 20 seconds but they probably drifted off into unconsciousness before the ground impact.
@@FK-we1dp G forces etc. Humans are not designed to experience such nosedives. People basically get knocked unconscious, at least from what I understand.
@@katego370in an extreme dive there is zero G force, thats why the 'zero gravity' phenomenon happens and people go to the ceiling. High G force only occurs in a high speed turn of some sort.
Helios Airways Flight 522 is something I find the most chilling, especially since the fighter jets saw cabin crew member try to fly the airplane at the end.
It is important to point out that the "reversers" on this aircraft are NOT thrust reversers. On the older 2-shell clap thingies you could actually deploy them and spin the engines up and draw yourself backward across the tarmac/staging slabs. The flow diverters on this plane are designed to create an impeding drogue made of air around the engine pushing a LARGE mass of air forward to almost all sides creating a large much lower than atmosphere pressure area behind the engine. When used in pairs they "suck" the plane slower and for the most part don't really produce thrust aimed to push the plane backwards. At 530mph they're gonna produce upwards of 3x the engine's active thrust setting in a much much higher pressure differential. The resulting effect in air is as if an almost indestructible parachute 25 feet in diameter suddenly snatched open attached to the engine pylon. As to "do everything exactly right within 4 to 6 seconds" I'd like to add that the engine spool down is too slow and likely even firing the direct engine extinguishing equipment still would have not interrupted the portrayed event. The moment the diverters engaged the event was unstoppable even had they forced slat deployment and killed both engines as the diverters engaged. The landing diverters on the engines are simply the most dangerous system on aircraft at this time. They're exceptionally useful and effective on landing but will always be a ticking time-bomb in flight. There is absolutely no reason why we cannot start installing multiple data and voice recorders on aircraft. There is absolutely no reason why we cannot transmit data and voice records FROM the aircraft live by network.
That's interesting, I never knew the way reversers worked were this different, let alone that the design quirks meant that it was more sensitive the faster the aircraft travelled
Sadly the only really important thing in this world is money. We could do so much better but companies would have to pay for that, better to make things that are just workable and then call it done.
@Prjndigo thank you for this informative comment. I had a thought when I was reading it. It might be a stupid question, but I'm gonna ask it anyways. If the right hand thrust diverter had been deployed immediately after they realized the left one had deployed, would that have given them enough time to spool down the engines and get this situation into a manageable situation?
@@DanniV8, I believe there's no possible way to do that intentionally. The best they could have done would have been to pray that the other one also malfunction immediately.
When he was seated in the cockpit of his aircraft, he noticed a ground vehicle still had the windshield wipers on when the rain stopped. He stepped off the aircraft and turned the wiper off. When asked why he did that, he answered in his typical dry way " It hurts me when I see a mechanical thing getting damaged".
I didn't knew about this story! This is the most beautiful example of the latest findings of the neuroscience: for their brains, high-level professionals consider their "gear" an extension of their bodies. The example that doc who founded this used to illustrate that was, if we closed our eyes and was asked to point our fingers were the middle point at our arms are, we will do it easily at our elbow region. If you do the same with Federer, he will point at the region not only considering his arm but where is the middle of his arm plus the raket.
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2:10... so what I'm getting here is that it's a ducted propellor driven by a jet? hahah the important part is that it works :D
can you do Aeroperu flight 603 next? :D
I played around with my VPN on my mobil. forgot about it. then got a add for singel pepole close to Ashburn Virginia. for a second I thought it was strange. as I am living in scandinavia. then i laughed, as i recoginised why.
@@exploatores oh it autolocates you based on the VPN location? :D
No music background please. It's irritating & distracting. You didn't used to add it. Why start now. I'm dissappointed in you. I thought you were more mature, professional & sensible. At one point I can hardly hear what your saying. Bldy ridiculous
When Niki Lauda was told by Boeing that they wouldn't release a statement on wether they take the blame, he basically said to them "If it's so safe to deploy the thrust reversers mid flight, give me a 767 and I'll try it". Boeing said they couldn't do that because it's unsafe. Niki Lauda was an incredible person.
boeing is so dangerous I don’t understand why people still fly boeing or wht boeing is still around
@@DavidCastro-wf8cl when your in cahoots with the us govt you tend to get away with quite a bit
@@TheRangewannab8 Airbus is in cahoots with a dozen EU governments.
I'm not sure what you're saying is historically accurate. Sounds more like a celebrity CEO trying to defend the image of his airline.
@@Ergzay then go check the history. If you find something that conflicts with my comment, then link it.
All I heard is that Lauda was deeply passionate about aviation and cared about the victims lost in a flight under his name. Of course he wanted to preserve the image of his airline, why wouldn't he, but he was certain that his company wasn't to blame for the crash, so he tried to prove it.
My favourite part of the investigation is that Niki Lauda's response to Boeing refusing to admit fault was "ok then give me a 767 and let me deploy thrust reversers in flight, if I die I die" and Boeing said it wasn't safe and Lauda went AHA!
Ha ha Boeing doesn't build the engines or thrust reverser for said engine the Engine Manufacturer does. we install by there specifications. ME? Boeing over thirty years with.
@@mikefowler301 What does it matter? They sell an airplane thats isnt safe as safe.
Sorry @@mikefowler301 , but if i made a TV or automobile with dud components, I'd still be liable - it's Boeing that writes the manuals and issues the Directives, right ?
@@mikefowler301 Apple doesnt manufacture their screens assemble their phones or heck even ship them to the user with apple shipping, their customer service is from a third party vendor and repairs are done by others as well. If my screen goes black one day and i call apple they will not tell me to call samsung, they will ask if there is any damage and then cover it through warranty. So what was my point, oh yes.. It doesnt matter who you bought the parts from, the whole piece that Boeing sold is what their responsibility covers, otherwise it will all lead to a mine in Congo where a 8 year old dug up the metals used.
@@eriksvensson2098 To be fair, that's not really the same thing. If your phone screen breaks it's just an inconvenience. If engines stops working. Hundreds of people fall tens of thousands of feet out of the sky. On a phone it may not matter who makes the individual parts, but on a plane it does. Which is not to say Boeing is free from liability. But who made what matters a lot more on situations like this
I am Austrian and I still remember the news in the radio about this accident. It's unbelievable that this happened to Lauda Air, safety was everything for Niki Lauda, already back then a living legend. He did everything to make sure to find out what really happened, he was convinced it was not the fault from his airline, and he was right.
He was a good person indeed. Great race driver too. And always stood to his opinion
@@marcelk3847 sounds like the kind of CEO that would be fired today for not maximizing shareholder profits!
@@thewhitefalcon8539 Good luck firing the majority share holder. Lauda was the quintessential blunt and to the point person.
When Boeing tried to get him to accept blame/accept blame on his pilot's behalf, he offered to take a plane and go through the procedures that Boeing claimed the pilots should have done. With him flying and the execs on board (and ofc the benefit of not being taken by surprise and knowing exactly what's gonna happen).
They refused, not wanting to put their own asses on the line. Boeing has a history of this, btw. They did the same with the MAX and other incidents, trying to blame pilot error and claiming it was "recoverable with our guidelines".
@@youtubemodsaresnowflakelef7692 the rudder mess in the 90's as example but it re-appeared hence Trump shut those models down. The media just yelled at Trump for "hurting US american companies" what a joke...
Mr. Lauda cemented his reputation for honesty, safety, truth and fact, amongst other outstanding traits, here in The U.S. after this horrific tragedy. Seeing the Ceo/Owner of an airline that had his name on the side of it, AT the accident site! was something myself and many others had never seen until that day and have not seen it since. Absolutely Amazing human being I wish I had the privilege of knowing. R.i.p. To the passengers
Knowing that Niki Lauda was one of the people to push for safety reforms in Formula 1 after his horrible accident in the Nürburgring, the accident must've affected him very badly
People's lives have to be taken in order for safety to be taken seriously in the world
Niki lauda tried to simulate that incident in a simulator, he was unfortunately unable to recover.
He didn't push safety just after his incident. He just pushed it more after
In his biography he says this accident was a far worse experience for him than what happened to him in F1. He said driving an F1 car and accepting the risk coming with that was his own decision. But this accident was 200+ losing their lives because something out of their control went wrong. This affected him deeply. He also recounted a story of when he visited a mass funeral for 83 unidentified victims of the flight (I think in Bangkok). He saw a young Austrian boy throwing seashells into the mass grave. When he asked his grandmother she said they were for the young boys parents who both perished in the accident.
Lauda deeply cared about the lives lost. He even said publicly if his airline was at fault here he would end the company.
Lauda had a hell of a time getting Lauda Air off the ground (no pun intended) in the first instance, with so much opposition from Austria Airlines who didn’t want competition. A one off character.
It's even more sad when you see Niki Lauda at the crash site. He's was of the purest hearts there was. Such an amazing human doesn't deserve this much pain on his shoulders.
what's really sad is they are saying that it's impossible if it's impossible then it would not have happened
@@raven4k998 thanks for putting that out there! I agree, impossible has no place in this situation... thanks for sharing 👍.
Nikki Lauda was an horrible, money driven man ! Trying to blame Boeing, for his own crappy maintenance !
You're completely deluded.
@@raven4k998 Man wait until you learn about hyperbole!
I remember Nikki Lauda brings a few passenger's family to see the crash site. Lauda even made a statement "People died on my plane" that broke my heart. He really cares about his customers.
Niki Lauda was always a fighter, fighting to get into Formula 1, fighting for his life after his horrific Nurburgring crash, fighting for better safety standards, fighting for fairer driver contracts and fighting to get to the truth of this accident.
Having been burned so badly himself it must have been particularly bad.
He put his personal and professional reputation on the line to get to the bottom of it. He even said if the cause was a training or maintenance deficiency on the part of his company he would personally resign from Lauda Air, what an upstanding man
@@DarthEvilicus Damn, now that is some top-tier professionalism.
Too bad Boeing doesn't gaf
Worth noting that Nikki Lauda really had to push Boeing to investigate this further. If not for his persistence these people may have died in vain. He REALLY cared about his airline.
He was an honourable man who had standards. Not some PR representative with premade answers. That's the difference
Yeah, Boeing wrote it off as pilot error. He was the 1, who showed up in Seattle and kept going through it in their simulator, until they had to admit, there was more to it, that no pilots couldve done, what needed to be done in time to save the plane.
Sadly, Boeing didnt learn from it and did the exact same thing with the 737MAX with no Lauda to stop them that time.
@@dfuher968 boeing will never learn. Read about the 737 rudder incidents from the 90s. Truly unbelievable.
That’s really good to know. More people need that “the buck stops here” kind of sense of responsibility to keep pushing like that.
He was also a commercial pilot, he flew his planes and knew the crew personally.
Pretty much the most terrifying account of an aeroplane loss I've watched, what those people went through in those few moments is beyond imagination.
Probably unconscious
I’ll be on a plane in two days lol
I survived
Tho on the way back there was a super typhoon leaving the Philippines lol
Got intense for a moment
Yeah, most of the videos on this channel feature a long chain of errors and mistakes (design, manufacturing, maintenance, procedure, training, pilot error etc.) to get to an accident. Here it went from flying completely normally (with the only indication of anything being off being the thrust reverser isolation warning that all training and procedure painted as not concerning) to completely doomed, in what? 20? 30? seconds.
24:04 there is formula 1 legend Nikki Lauda who owned the airline. He got on site as soon as possible and wanted to know how the accident happened to make sure it wouldn’t happen again. You’ll never see an airline CEO or owner ever rush to the site of an accident and not hide behind a plethora of lawyers. What a stand up guy.
Also how he was willing to sacrifice himself on an actual flight with the same conditions to prove boeing was in the wrong aka die
Not just that, he even went to Boeing tu crush them alive.
Look at his expression in the picture, it says it all
Wow, Nikki Lauda
Lauda later said that he had more suffering from this crash than from his 1976 F1 accident ( ever saw that movie Rush ?). Considering how badly burned he was, and nearly died, it says something about how the air disaster affected him.
R.I.P Lauda (1949-2019).
Thank you for this episode. I knew Niki Lauda personally. He was most devastated since Boeing tried to cover up. He threatened them to go all out public, if they do not come out with the findings. He was one of THE greatest human beings I ever met in my lifetime.
What were his motivations for founding an airline?
I find it worth noting that it was a likely systemic lack of safety standards that led to this. Because, maybe grounding a plane until you have found the technical detail would be seen as endangering the survival of the business, and that already created complicity.
We always have to look at the karmic balance sheet.
Same reason why if you want to cause positive change, going into politics is not necessarily a good way to do that because there you might limit your freedoms to act accordingly.
As an F1 fan since he started in the sport, maybe a year or so longer (I was v young!), one thing I always admired about him was his determination to do the right thing, no matter the cost to himself. That is a characteristic of the few people I've known or known of that puts them in my highest position of regard.
Even though I'm a Brit and of course, as an 11 year-old at the time, I was willing Hunt to win the championship, I continued to admire Niki from round one of the season. I don't think I breathed properly after the German GP until the news came that he had pulled through. That was news which all motorsports fans across the globe were desperate to hear.
His return to the track from that horrific accident - I was going to say "astounded" me, but I don't think that's strong enough a word. He had already impressed me, both for his skills and honour, but despite the years, that day I actually remember crying with relief to see that he was almost back to his old self in a car, and then crying more out of sympathy on seeing the state of his face after the race. The pain must have been extreme. And to be honest, come that race in Japan, I was more relieved that he retired on safety grounds than glad that it gave Hunt the win. (It's known that Hunt absolutely admired Niki beyond words, before and after that season.) It took a massive pair of "brass ones" as we say, to stand up to the world and say "No, it's too dangerous." It's far too easy to give into peer pressure to continue, but he was always beyond that (otherwise he'd have been a banker IIRC!)
His involvement in the investigation is legendary amongst his fans. It was something which didn't surprise us, but to take on the might of Boeing was something that not many individuals _could_ let alone would do. It was a relief to hear the truth when it came out, because I remember that Boeing were trying to blame his company and the pilots. That sort of behaviour cannot be allowed, and as ever, Niki led the way and gave strength to other individuals who needed to take on big corporations. His legend lives on, and his actions will continue to have an effect on the behaviour of big business long after we're gone, I'm sure.
I'm sorry you lost your friend too soon. I know it was a miracle he lived as long as he did (stubborn old so'n'so lol), but it was still too soon.
@@y_fam_goeglyd Mandy, I love your comments! Not many people appreciate what a remarkable man Niki was! F1 drivers from that era were a special breed, but to me Niki stood taller than the rest because of his remarkable character.
My first in person F1 race was the 1976 US Grand Prix West at Long Beach. I was a Lauda fan and a Ferrari fan. We had pit row grandstand seats right above the Ferrari pits. It was a Ferrari 1-2 weekend. Clay Reggazoni was on fire, taking pole, fastest lap and leading from start to finish. Niki finished second, increasing his lead in the driver's championship. James retired from third after an accident, only for the mechanics to find the car was still drivable after the race!
A relative of mine was involved in bringing the Queen Mary to Long Beach, so I had access that many didn't that weekend. Met Chris Pook, Rob Walker, Phil Hill and Mario Andretti. Lots of history, too. Mario ran into Colin Chapman at a coffee shop the next morning, they agreed on Mario's Lotus ride on the spot.
Ronnie Peterson, Patrick Depailler, Gunnar Nilsson and Tom Pryce all drove in that race. This was a golden era, and just five months before the Nurbirgring crash.
Over the years, I have come to understand that Ferrari is not a good company. Enzo himself was not a nice person, nor a good person. (Things got worse after he passed.) It's interesting to think about a man like Niki driving for someone like Enzo. Morally, they were total opposites. It's easy to see why Niki walked away the way he did.
Niki founded three airllines. In another remarkable episode, he faced down the Austrian government over routes they were protecting, with the same tenacity he brought to bear on Boeing. He won that one too, naturally!
Along the way, he consulted for Ferrari, managed the ill-fated Jaguar F1 effort and was non-executive chairman and part owner of the Mercedes F1 team. He was instrumental in signing Lewis Hamilton.
In a better world, we would all study great people with an eye toward making the best of ourselves. Niki would be at the top of that study list!
Thank you for your post. It made my day!
@@Dowlphin Sounds so much like something another Boeing shareholder would say. The company has proven time and time again how incompetent and slimey they are. Why would you defend them?
@@poruatokin It is shocking and telling what childish accusations and strawmen are flying here from several commenters just to not have to look at the big picture and the systemic issues. This is part of the whole problem.
This episode is rather personal to me because I lost a good friend on this flight. Thanks anyway for your brilliant explanation and all your efforts that go into these videos.
I'm very sorry.😞
@@TracyA123 Thank you Dear 🙏😊
@Jesus Christ Thank you 🙏😊 I know you are right!
I'm so sorry for your loss. I hope Petter's explanations helped you in some way. Hugs
@@sharppointy1 Thanks Dear 🙏😊
My friend's dad was the pilot on this flight. Boeing tried to pin the disaster on him, but relented and admitted fault when Niki Lauda personally flew the simulator dozens of times and proved that it was a design flaw that Boeing knew about. Lauda threatened to call out Boeing publicly if they didn't stop trying to frame the crew.
The 🅱️ussy 🅱️oeing vs The GIGACH🅰️D Niki Lauda
There were no survivors, so the script said.
How did your friend's dad survive?
@@katrineroberts4084M8, blame on the dead pilot 😂, Boeing wanted to place blame on the pilot.
Humanity is screwed if we need to explain this.
@@Alphatrillon that was so awful of Boeing. They fucked up so badly, no oñe had a chance.
One curiosity about this history and was beyond the scope of your video: accordingly to the Brazilian most respected F1 journalist Reginaldo Leme initially, Boeing strongly disagreed about the investigation conclusion and stood up with the position that this kind of failure was impossible. So Lauda himself went to Boeing's simulators and they lost the plane in all of the 15 flight simulations. However, Boeing kept denying that the Reverse deployment was the main cause and the pilots inputs was crucial to the crash.
So Lauda convoked a press conference and challenged Boeing to a real flight with the same failure and initial conditions, only with himself and the test pilots a board. Boeing immediately retreat themself and assumed that the reverse deployment inflight was the main causa and the pilots wasn't trained to face the "impossible failure".
I think Boeing executives didn't knew that Nikki Lauda went to Hell and came back a couple of decades earlier. One of the most tenacious and stubborn awesome human that ever lived.
Lauda was a badass. Nearly got burned alive in an F1 car, he knows real fear and danger. Someone like him has real empathy for what the crash victims went through, while the Boeing execs in cushy offices don't
Thank u for that excellent info!!
That is both very creative and brave for Nikki Lauda. He should get a hero's award for this.
@@stormix5755 Maybe the executives just don't give a shit or maybe they had a vested interest in hiding the truth.
@@stormix5755 Safety was his first priority after his almost fatal crash. And he communicate clearly when he choosed safety over a championship in 1976.
The guy was a legend, he faced alone the angry and dark side of the most passionate fans of the entire motorsport, the "Tifosi". If you are smart, you don't try to make fun over someone like him.
As always, thank you for not dramatizing the story. The absolute horror of this accident sequence speaks for itself.
One thing I'm actually missing from this is how long Boeing was denying that there was a flaw with the design, and that activating reverse thrust in such a situation would be completely uncontrollable, until Lauda said that he himself would take one of the planes and replicate this situation to see if it would be possible, for of he fails it will just him dying, while when he should be able to control the situation, he would resign. It was there where Boeing then admitted that it would be unsafe
This should be the pinned comment.
Boing, Boing, Boing!! Sounds like Zebedee😂'Boeing' for goodness sake. It's only written a hundred times on this page.
@@2760ade They deserve to be called Boing!
@@Dowlphin That's a very good point!🤣
That's Boeing for you. Well never fly on any of their junk ever again.
The saddest accident stories are the ones where the pilots did absolutely nothing wrong :\
AND GOT BLAMED !!!
@@BruceCarbonLakeriver That’s so true. But not every accident had surviving pilots.
@@simonsv9449 yep but their families!
@@BruceCarbonLakeriver Did their families get blamed for an accident that was not their fault, and not the pilots’ fault either.
@@simonsv9449 yep it happens very often actually and it is sad. Mostly b/c of bad news coverage.
RIP Niki Lauda. Uniquely, he wasn’t just the owner of Lauda Air, but one of their pilots as well.
It amazes me how much he was able to achieve in his life, F1 champion, total badass for returning to racing weeks after the horrific crash, a qualified pilot, an incredible businessman and he even got a company as shady as Boeing to back down. He then went on to be part of the one of the most dominant F1 teams in history in an advisory role until the day he sadly passed away
@@bmxerqf882 not only that, he is the one that insisted with Mercedes on hiring Lewis Hamilton in 2014, the board (including Toto Wolff) didn't really want to but Lauda insisted until he had his way. We all know what happened afterwards from 2014 to 2021. Niki was one of a kind, we will all really miss him
@@chiefdenis you're definitely remembering wrong, he was world champion in 1975, 1977 and 1984
Not only that! I am rather sure he is the only person who founded four airlines in his lifetime.
@@chiefdenis the time it took you to write that out you could've googled it
That breakup animation was harrowing, and extremely well done. I can't even imagine being aboard in those last few minutes.
Timestamp?
@@vsucountryboy @22:15
I can imagine it... you'd have just enough time to think "o god we're gonna crash!" as the plane twists sideways and breaks apart. between the wings shearing off and impact was only a few seconds. doesn't take long to hit the ground at Mach .99 or higher.
@@marhawkman303 maybe, but please understand the idea of going through something like this would still be horrible, may all those who lost their lived rest easy.
@@RiftWalker111 Well, yes, but if something like this would happen, I'd rather die in 5 seconds instead of being freightened to death for tens of minutes while knowing inevitable will come sooner or later.
As an Austrian, this episode is very personal, as I still remember how Niki Lauda was on TV on a regular basis, trying to explain what was going on and answering questions and correct misinformation.
Really thank you for covering this incident
Lauda was the only CEO I know from an airline who went out to the crash side by himself and made Boeing pay for their crap they did. (dunno which incident ist actually was...)
He also appeared on Maday Alarm in cockpit. And he also fought hard legally for the families and pilots. They were struggling with this reverser issue for years up until this accident.
Yes he absolutely did go to the crash sight. It was one of this aircraft, other than a formula driver, also a pilot. He did address this abnormalities to manufacturer Boeing. In reference to thrust reverser deploying during flight. He also tried to recover his craft, in a simulator scenario, unfortunately he was not able to recover, craft was not able to come back to normal flight during stall/dive.
Informative and fascinating as always 👌 Thank you Mentour Pilot for continuing to share 👍
I love how Niki Lauda handled this. He gave a sht about politics and PR and just wanted the families to know what happened and Boeing to communicate what the reason was. He was a great goodhearted man.
Perhaps his strictness was some stress to Boeing also. He is known for his perfectionism on make things right.
@@wjhann4836 Maybe he should take over Boeing, or someone like him.
@@nerysghemor5781 unfortunately, he passed a few years ago
@@Kylemsguy 😢 That’s unfortunate. I imagine he’s with the angels though.
Not the case now with Boeing, big business comes in and look what happens. I'm worried now about Qantas . 10 years ago I would say it was one of the safest Airlines. With what is going on now with cost cutting. I doubt their reputation will last
We all now know when Boeing is in denial there's something going on
It's difficult to forget Boeing CEO Muilenburg, sitting in front of Congress during the MAX737 hearings, testifying to all the victims families he was just a good old country boy (except for the sizzling-hot golden parachute he then rode on out of Dodge)!💰🪂💰
The issue is: They are in denial very often.....
Because there spinless sneak cowards.
That’s pretty much any major corporation or govt (just another big corporation that doesn’t produce anything)
It produces the most important products. Laws and society. @@tjtruth4793
It’s beyond me how these people had it in them to loot the crash site. They surely must have stepped over the remains of all those corpses. It’s really disturbing.
God bless Niki Lauda for standing up against Boeing and bringing justice to the victims.
I live in Thailand, road accident looting is still happening, some people are really desperate, anything that can be sold and they can get away with would get stolen. It wasn't much of a surprised some people loot downed planes.
To be honest, there wasn't much if anything left of the bodies. Hitting the ground over mach 1, straight down in a fireballed aircraft will do that.
Extreme poverty will do that to one.
Stealing from the dead is just wrong. Unless it's an emergency situation. Such as taking a jacket off a deceased person to keep yourself or someone else from freezing to death. Life or death emergency situations. Starving to death even. I dont think it's right to loot the dead just to loot or for greed. I can see why for emergencies.
I’m sure Boeing was behind the looting…how did they steal the exact component necessary to prove what went wrong? Looters steal stuff not plane parts.
As an F1 fan, and a large fan of Niki Lauda, I really admire Niki's involvement with the aftermath. He flew out to the crash site as soon as he could and got so personally invested. Not something you see many airline CEOs doing after crashes like this.
Very true. This is the difference of family owned companies vs. some moneybags own companies and chose reckless hacks as CEOs.
Reminds me of the terror attack in Tunis a few years back - dozens of cruise passengers were killed in a museum. Costa sent some PR person. MSCs CEO, son in law of the founder, Pierfrancesco Vago was there in person the very next day.
Niki was a class act, and a fine human being.
It's deeply troubling that each time a fix was attempted to the fault, it reset the clock. Persistent faults like this should accumulate time to prevent long standing issues wating to catch you out.
Anyone who's consumed the whole Max8 scandal is likely to conclude that, when it comes to safety, Boeing talk the talk, but don't walk the walk. I'm reminded of Ralph Nader and those exploding fuel tanks of Chevrolet/Ford production cars in the 70s. Perhaps you recall the phrase of those days, "Too big to care!"
I whole heartily agree. There should be not reset of the time especially if the incident had repeated even once in a given year.
Ditto on that.. At ground level if the oil pressure light on my 84 F100 kept coming back.. I paid attention
I think the key point here is that Boeing basically said it was a minor issue and not worth grounding the plane for, and the "reset" wasn't just the engineers slapping duct tape on the problem and hoping it'll work, they were replacing actual components. To use the example of a ground vehicle, it wouldn't be an oil pressure light, it'd be like if your passenger airbag light kept coming on when there wasn't a passenger on board, and so you kept taking it to a mechanic and they kept replacing your airbag or the fuse or electronic components as per the car dealer's instructions and being like "hopefully it's fixed this time". Each time you take it to them you think this time you've finally fixed the problem, but you both know it's been a minor but problematic problem. It's something you both want to get to the bottom of, but the most important part is that you have a drivable car.
Then one day your passenger air bag explodes violently, blasting you with shrapnel from your dashboard, incapacitating you, and you hit a semi and cause a 10-car pile up. All because your car dealer did incorrect safety testing on the airbags they were using and then assured you and everyone else they were totally fine.
@@SaltExarch The thing I think you’re missing here is that it was a minor problem they thought they had handled until it suddenly and horrifically wasn’t. Fortunately these people didn’t die in vain and a solution that actually fixed the problem was found but unfortunately things that result in minor issues 100% of the time and then suddenly result in a horrific tragedy are bound to happen.
The production value just keeps getting better, thanks mentor team!
Thank you for helping to support the channel. Much appreciated
it's mentour lol
Totally agree - a great team effort
True. My only nit to pick is the use of background music. I really wish folks wouldn't use it during narrations, as it competes with the speaker. There is enough drama in the actual video without having music attempt to add to it. I turned on cc and muted various parts. The auto cc does a decent job of getting the words right, even if there is no punctuation.
Again, the video itself and all the tech work putting it together is great; I'm just not in favor of the music.
@@bikeny Well said. It's schlocky and unhelpful. Everything else is so well done.
Nikki Lauda sounds like a real champ. Being persistent and getting down in the mud (literally) and even potentially putting his life on the line to insure the safety of his employees and customers.
Niki was a 3x F1 world champion (watch Rush if you haven’t. Same guy.)
Anyway, he was also a commercial pilot as well. He also didn’t take crap from anyone. He had faced death head-on and was still standing. When Niki spoke, everyone listened.
Still, I feel this was his greatest legacy. How many lives have been saved due to Niki staring Boeing down and refusing to blink?
@Scott Lawton yep. Seen it and knew the name when i heard it. But never knew about his involvement in aviation until this video. I did some digging on him and how he handled this incident. His battle with the airline industry would have made just as good a movie. To think they could have made a sequel to Rush and it still be a true story and epic. I always thought he was pretty cool but this ordeal sent my respect for the man through the roof.
The level of detail in your illustrations is amazing. Some elements of the accident in this episode bring to mind one story that I would love to see you cover: the 1994 incident with FedEX 705. Specifically, how did an injured pilot and a DC10 survive an inverted dive in excess of 650 kts, lose the counterweights in the tail, perform acrobatics like a fighter, and manage to land overweight, overspeed and with a full load of fuel?
The reason this came to mind is because this same plane (now a MD10) was in the news again last month, when it performed an emergency landing in Tulsa. This led to a lot of discussion in the comments (on a couple different platforms) about the first incident, and several of the details are quite similar to those in this video. The difference was, the DC10 held together and landed more or less safely.
Now, the most recent incident with N306Fe happened on 7th June, when a suspected cargo fire that turned out to be 2 entirely unrelated bugs. Literally, a cloud of 5000 escaped ladybugs in cargo that triggered the smoke sensors, plus a heat signature in the same general area caused by some exhaust issue in the #2 engine. Anyways, there are quite a few avgeeks in the US that follow this plane (still hauling cargo 30 years later) and it would be really cool to see you illustrate what happened during that amazing incident. There is so much technical stuff that got skipped in the one documentary I’ve seen on it, which focuses almost entirely on what motivated the guy that attempted the hijacking (which led to the arial maneuvers in an attempt to keep the attacker off balance), and what physical injuries the crew had. Haven’t seen much of anything on what happened to the airplane, but there are pretty good details in a book. Would be awesome if you could illustrate this incident on your channel sometime!
I agree. I always wondered how FedEx 705 was able to survive the extreme maneuvers beyond its tolerances, or if it was damaged by them.
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Wait, does he do these illustrations himself?! I’m a new subscriber, I was just trying to figure out where he gets these detailed renderings from. My goodness, this must take him forever.
@@alunesh12345 stop it.
@@dewilew2137 I believe it's the game Microsoft Flight Simulator.
A very sanitised account - (that's understandable), Niki Lauda had to get involved to make Boeing admit it was their fault. Lauda was devastated by this and did everything he could to get to the bottom of it. At great personal expense. If anyone doesn't know who Niki Lauda is, look him up, an unbelievable legend. The movie Rush is a great starting point.
I recognized the name but attributed it to being a common name. Your comment made me learn it was the same person. Fascinating.
I wish I couldve met Mr. Lauda. Im sure many people thought his perfectionist nature was unctuous and irritating, but in this situation, his dedication to getting things done and done right is wonderful. I remember an interview where he was enraged that he couldn’t publicly clear his name and the name of his airline until the lawyers at Boeing could craft and release a statement deflecting as much blame as they could. Im sure that dick move on Boeing’s part signaled the beginning of the end of the the old-school boeing we all remember fondly.
Sounds like a large scale version of the faulty Cessna design that resulted in water being allowed to remain in the fuel tanks despite proper pre-flight testing. Now it has been demonstrated and Cessna still blames the pilot whenever there's a crash due to contaminated fuel. The only exceptions are when the pilot survives and can prove the pre-flight fuel test was done properly.
Niki Lauda was an accomplished engineer who recognised BS when he heard it and he immediately knew Boeing tried to feed him BS.
this is what happens when you pursue efficiency over performance.
Wow, that is one of the most horrific crashes I've ever known of. If I were on the plane, I'd hear the reassuring ding from cockpit to CC at FL10 start getting comfortable and then all of a sudden...words can't describe how terrifying that must have been.
That's a bit simikar how it happened for me in an emergency landing. My fear of flying is massive so I tried to keep mydelf calm for about 30 minutes from take off into the flight and whike that usually works, an emergency was suddenly announced 30 minutes in due to some kind of engine vibration and we had to return back (safely).
Apparently some people also spotted an airport on the ground being suspicious of our aircraft and taking pictures of said engine, I guess we were never safe until we re-landed.
Niki Lauda was an amazing guy. F1 driver, turned entrepreneur. When all air traffic was grounded due to volcanic clouds and the authorities were discussing around forever, he got so pissed, he took one of his Boeings to fly through it to prove that it's safe and that the effect on the engines could be studied. He was extremely distraught by this crash.
Thanks for the great and thought provoking video. It's rare amongst the investigations you have produced to see an air disaster caused only by the failure of the aircraft systems.
That’s correct
@@MentourPilot Why so rare that you reply?
@@MentourPilot I love your channel and applaud all pilots for their fantastic skills! I am afraid to fly but love it so much that I get on the plane anyway! It is thoroughly exciting to fly!
@@Netbase2000 look at how many comments he gets. It’s just not practical for people with larger channels to address every comment.
He may still read every comment even if he doesn’t respond.
@@Netbase2000 I try but there are thousands of comments to answer.
The quality of your content these days is growing exponentially, and it was always great to begin with. I have just added you to the very short list of creators I support via Patreon in hopes that your fantastic production team will be well remunerated and stick with you for a very long time. My contribution is a pittance, but if a few thousand more subscribe we can help to ensure this content continues. Well done Petter!
A tragic story, for sure, but like the others below I have to say that Nikki Lauder's persistence was unbelievable and that without him this accident may well have happened again. I have seen some interview footage with him talking about this accident and it is clear to see how much this meant to him - not just as an airline but as a man who knew more about staring death in the face than most. Legend and hero are terms that are bandied around too easily, but in Lauda's case completely deserved.
I was flying the 767 at the time. I actually knew one of these pilots a little. It was a million to one chance - quite incredible, and so sad.
Your "crew" are really knocking it out of the park on their graphics during your videos. Very nicely done and very informative. Keep up the great work.
As an engineer, I am shocked at the lack of failure mode analysis on this aircraft. Not considering thrust reverser deployment at higher than idle speed is just pathetic. I would reject a FMECA outright if I saw that. I would need to study this more, but this might be criminal negligence.
I agree. Also, I think that the worst low altitude situation would be system accidentally deploying reverse thrust on the left immediately after the plane has flied over the end of the runway. In that situation engine power is high and altitude is very low. Even if you couldn't figure out that high altitude situation would be bad, the takeoff configuration should have been included in testing at very minimum. (Or even worse situation would be deploying reverse thrust on all engines after the takeoff but that's definitely not possible to fix and shouldn't happen with true redundancy anyway.)
You do know this is very easy to say in hindsight? You don't even know all the details. I'm not defending their decision, but I find it laughable you think you'd do anything differently just because you're an engineer. I'm an engineer too, but it isn't my field, and also I do not argue from authority.
Amazing how Boeing keeps getting away with this B.S.
@@mortblackthorn187 they actually don't, but all plane manufacturers will try to avoid responsibility as their first reaction. They do have a lot riding on it after all.
Indeed, how was this aircraft cleared with the modelling only done at low speeds? As said,, pathetic to criminal.
Having been a commercial pilot for 42 years and a senior captain with TRI/TRE rating for a Major airline I deeply understand all the interesting case studies that Mentour Pilot brings to the audience. He really represent the modern pilot mentality. In this accident Niki Lauda has demonstrated to be tougher than when he was racing. In my childhood he was my favourite driver. But one thing that really impress me is the fact (nowadays it should be named THREAT in the TEM philosopy and modern CRM) that tis poor crew had to fly HKG-BKK-VIE on minimum crew of two pilots. This means pushing to the limit (and beyond) the fatigue concept.
All of them, and the poor passengers,...RIP
The pilot did a brilliant job diagnosing the issue within 10 seconds.
But just not within 4-6 secs required to recover the aircraft. I can imagine the first 4 secs were used up in complete terror and shock
The only way any pilot could have stopped this crash was if they could react to it out of pure, blind instinct. To be dealing with it before their conscious mind had even realised what was happening. That requires an incredible amount of training, and practice, and experience, something no one is going to have in a completely novel situation.
@@alyessamaddox7022Yes, and airline pilots are specifically trained *not* to immediately take action when an unusual event occurs, because of the very real risk of making the situation worse if you act before you're sure what is going on. The only way a flight crew could have reacted in time to this is if they'd been specifically trained for exactly this situation, which of course they hadn't been, sadly.
These episodes are some of the most high quality content I have ever seen. Everything from the way you talk to the way the animations are made are on top of the world! There are movies from hollywood that could not match your quality. keep up the fantastic work and never stop what you are doing.
He and his team are truly amazing. They should have their own show on Netflix! I started watching these videos around 3 weeks ago working my way through every video. I can’t believe how much I’ve learnt from watching these video. I could honestly listen to him talk for hours
One thing leads to another. A perfect storm combination of events to create an accident.
What !???
Using the wrong airline which has completely different engines!!
What is good about that..???
What is "high quality " about that.
Lazy and technically incompetent. .......
Disgusting that the wreck site was looted! Wow! I was in Dallas in the 80s when the Delta wind sheer crash happened and people were stealing the luggage that had fell out of the plane after it skipped across the highway. What kind of person does this? Shame!
@@axo9813 Just to clarify, you saw a lot of crashes of _aircraft_ in Thailand?
Unfortunately humans tend to be disgusting most of the time, in some kind of specific environments. "They're dead anyways" is probably what those looters thought, when you're extremely poor you take everything you can get, respect means nothing
It happens everywhere all over the time.
@@yeugeniuss looting after an aircraft crash??? No it doesn't?
There have been several times where crash sites have been looted.
Well, I have always wondered what would happen if a thrust reversal occurred in flight. I did not know that this had actually happened in 1991. I often watch the thrust reversals when they deploy upon landing and see how fast they deploy. Although a complex problem, you provided an excellent description of the mechanism, failure warning history and the event itself that was easily understandable to non-technical viewers. Even though this was long ago, may all of those impacted by this tragedy be at peace.
The same sort of failure occurred in a Fokker 100 on climbout in Brazil in October 1996 - TAM (Transportes Aéreos Regionais) Flight 402. Wikipedia says "All 95 people on board were killed, as well as another 4 on the ground."
The c17 is designed to be able to deploy reversers in flight. It allows the pilots to get on the ground quickly in combat zones.
@@flagmichael So it has happened a few times. I am familiar with TAM.
@@andrewsturrup8751 Wow, a drastic strategy for decending quickly, but if there is a procedure for handling it -- amazing!
The CVR of this accident is terrifying. Can't tell how fast that vertical dive went but it must been well over mach 1. You can tell the wind was literally cushing the plane until it broke apart in mid air.
For me as an Austrian citizen this is a very interesting video! Nearly everyone here in my country knows about this accident. Lauda Air was a great airline back then!
What even I didn't knew was, that the midair brakeup of the aircraft was so horrifying!!
Interesting facts to add woud be that this flight was also the worst Austrian air accident, since the aircraft was registert here. And this was the only crash of a 767 that wasn't caused by pilot error or due to a hijacking.
Have a great day out there!
Which airline/incident was it where runway aquaplaning prevented reverse thrust and caused a disaster? That and this incident are somewhat reminiscent together.
This was by far the most petrifying accident video of yours I've watched so far. Your narration actually takes me there. I can't imagine. Did any of the witnesses hear a sonic boom?
Thanks for this video Petter. As an Austrian citizen, I can very well recall this tragic loss of a full Boeing 676 - and the struggle the late owner Niki Lauda had to face, when Boeing (already back then) wanted to blame the incident on bad maintenance of a small airline, before they finally had to admit that it was actually a faulty construction of the thrust reversers…
Yes, indeed.
So Boeing actually had a history of doing so?
Now I'm starting to question whether MU5735 was actually lost due to a suicidal pilot, and whether the CVR data was actually unrecoverable.
It was both, Lauda wanted o appear as he hero he wasn't and succeeded.
He was a hack in a series of hacks, like Trump. Being a famous racer doesn't make you a good and repsonsible manager.
@@IvanDmitriev1 You can think of Niki Lauda what you want, this accident was definitely not his fault or the fault of his airline. He was world champion as a F1 car racer and recovered from an almost deadly accident and won again. If one thing, he was a Phoenix that resurrected from the ashes twice (after his accident and after this crash). Lauda Air was famous for its Service, but could ultimately not cope with the competition of Austrian and Lufthansa. But he even managed to start a new airline (Niki), which he ultimate sold to RyanAir (due to the demise of AirBerlin). I do not know many people who have started and successfully sold two airlines and have won the F1 championship several times.
@@philipkudrna5643 Indeed, exactly.
Lauda was one tough cookie. Never swayed by feelings, only fact. He took Boeing to task, and I idolize his ruthlessly truthful sarcasm. He spoke the hard truths.
He tried to save his airline and his income. Lets be honest he had a huge stake in making sure others took blame
@@cookie5535boeings fault
Thrust reversal at high speed does sound like an extreme situation to try to deal with.
@InsaneMetro The problem is that the tests were lacking. The testing was done at 10,000. Niki’s pilots were at 29,000 feet and at full speed. The thin air made the deployment of a thrust reverser deadly.
actually, immediately set both engines to idle then think what to do, easy problem solved
@@deeperlayer Actually, if I was on that plane I would have simply walked out onto the wing and pushed the reversers back in again
@@feisty-trog-12345 just use a broom stick from the window, its real cold out there u could get sick
I guess what mostly counts, is how close the aircraft is to it's stall speed. If the thrust reversers are deployed close to stall speed, the speed will quickly drop critically low - at the same time as the forward air stream in it self reduces lift. At high altitude, they are not going very high above the stall speed, despite going fast (the thinner the air becomes, the more speed they need to generate lift). In this case with it deploying on only one engine, the thrust asymmetry also get extreme and more than what pilots usually train to handle and aircraft designers take into count (usually the worst case is to flying with one engine shut off - but here there is one engine that produces normal forward thrust and the other one trying to push the aircraft backwards).
Also the speed of sound doesn't change very much with altitude - so there is a big risk of hitting or even exceeding the speed of sound (and get ripped apart by the aerodynamic forces) like they did here, if things go out of control. That risk isn't at all that high at lower altitudes.
That dive was brutal, again, amazing video graphics, i love how you and your team work so hard to create a crash animation and these amazing graphics!
Something similar happened here in Brazil back in 31 October, 1996 to TAM flight 402. It was a Fokker 100 and a faulty switch in conjunction with a possible short circuit caused the right engine's thrust reverser to deploy. The plane fell only 24 seconds after takeoff, killing all 96 people on board and 3 on the ground
Nikki Lauda was amazing and this accident was terrible for him. Everyone seems aware of his fight with Boeing.
Nikki Lauda was an horrible, money driven man ! Trying to blame Boeing, for his own crappy maintenance !
@@gertjanvandermeij4265 What for the uncommanded reverser operation at cruise? That is so dumb. Fact is he would have bankrupted himself to find the cause. he never gave up after getting brushed off by everyone. I feel for your family if you make stuff up in your head.
@@gertjanvandermeij4265 you are full of complete 💩 You probably work for Boeing hence this ridiculous comment
Gertjan, the silly profile pic together with the mindless repetitions tell it all
You are a piece of nasty work . Boeing admitted it was their design fault. So go do one !
I was a child when this happened, but I remember our neighbour talking about him going on this Trip. He was a University Professor and suffered from a fear of flying. That's all too tragic...I also know someone who lost both parents in this horrible accident. All Austria was shocked and Niki Lauda himself was devastated..May those souls rest in Peace.
thats fkd😮
“I would have probably thought the same.” This is why I watch these videos, to get an inside look into the training reactions of pilots during emergencies.
I watch them because I'm a nervous flyer. Now I'm totaly calm. Really.
my God the description of the crash sounds absolutely terrifying...having to hear the aircraft literally breaking apart as you're crashing to earth sounds like a living nightmare, not to mention the speed it was going and the fire...can't even imagine the fear these people went through
As someone who has really bad flight anxiety, I have no idea why I love your videos so much. That should go to show how well you make them, and the level of production that goes into it. Cheers to you!
Your detailed description of the crash/breakup sequence actually gave me chills. Horrible to think about the last moments of this flight, trying to fight for control just to witness your aircraft disassemble itself. Never the less this is an incredibly interesting story and very well produced.
This is not "disassembly". That implies clean and orderly separation of components without damaging them, like field stripping a rifle. This is inertial forces savagely tearing the jet to pieces. This is the laws of physics sneering at the pilots' attempts to save lives and saying, "No. I refuse. Scream for me. And weep in despair." This is everything going wrong in a truly inevitable tragedy. The only way to stop this would have been to ground that plane that day before this had a chance to happen.
Lost both my grandparents in TWA's Flight 128 (controlled flight into terrain due to pilot error) in what would be at that time, America's worst air disaster. Since that event, private aviation became a big part of our family's lifestyle. Yours is an excellent channel. Keep up the good work!
I remember when this accident happened there was a lot of speculation about what happened. Nikki Lauda is such a perfectionist that he did not rest until the answer was found. The loss of this aircraft and people affected him a lot. I don't think he ever got over it.
Niki is an incredibly wonderful human. He never got over this but I am glad he push Boeing to try to be as honest as he was in communicating the issues at hand and to the public.
This has to be the most horrific air crash I have seen, more so because the pilots had no options. They died as heroes trying to save their aircraft!!
Your explanation is so well done! Thank You.
Glad you're back! Hope that you and your team are all well. Another stunning video. I think this is the most terrifying air crash I've encountered, both in terms of the fact that 1) the airline knew about the problem but as per guidelines, they kept the plane in the air, and 2) the experience those poor souls on board must have endured.
Thank you for your kind words. Yes, this one was bad.
@@Capecodham Oh he just posted something the other day saying that he hadn't posted a video in a while because his team weren't well :)
Petter, you are an awesome story teller. You make technical matters not only understandable to a lay audience, but fascinating. I love how you organize and lay out the events. And, of course, your graphic depictions are incredible. Keep it up!
I was in the brand new Mozart 1990. I felt so safe. Best service ever. From Sydney to Vienna. Nicki Lauda took off himself. I was shocked, when I heard of the crash.
This was very hard to watch, got goosebumps when you started describing the way this aircraft was quickly being destroyed by such massive forces and under such terrible circumstances. I cannot imagine how the people on board must have felt during their last moments... What a horrible accident. Rest in peace to all involved 😔
On another note, thank you Petter for this amazing quality work and for your channel! I am so thankful to have found your content at the right time, you have helped me overcome my newly developed fear of flying and now I am a big aviation enthusiast, even more than I was before I had a traumatic flight experience! I hope you know how much you have helped me and I am sure many others too. Keep up the amazing work!
Greetings from Germany!
Absolutely outstanding, Petter. This had to have been one of the most terrifying moments for a pilot ever.
That is the single most terrifying scenario I've ever seen happen. My heart bleeds for the crew and passengers, but especially for the crew as they tried to manage an unmanageable situation.
So Boeing was able to get certification for this system simply through modeling. And then actual flight testing was only done after the plane was full of passengers.
In what universe does this make any sense at all?
And the only reason the modeling worked, was because they had to set the right conditions of low altitude and low speed. Not because "those were the most likely conditions for trust reversers to deploy" but because those were the only conditions it would be ok
@@mikemx55 Yeah, they were only modeling at 200 knots. There is a story there too, I'm sure.
Its an american military company, they get away with everything.
@@Clint52279 whenever there's big money and a regulatory system you're going to have corruption, just look at big pharma and the ammount of people switching back and forth between being FDA officials and working for a pharma corp, or the banking system and financial regulatory bodies and so on. I wonder if that's also the case with the aero industry.
In the U.S.A. greedy,corrupted universe...
I've been waiting for new videos from you and I hope your editors are doing well. Thanks for putting this on the playlist so keen subscribers like us can have an early watch.
I worked for austrian as a flight attendant for a brief period. During that time i met the pilot that traded this trip away to his colleague and friend. It was crazy hearing him talk about how all this unfolded, while he could've very well been the one that was on the flight deck when all this happened.
I flew on this aircraft at least once, probably more. Lauda had two B767-300 ERs, one being the Mozart and the other the Strauss. I flew on both. I flew with them in 1989, so a couple of years before this. I also flew on the B777 aircraft he operated later. Lauda were a fantastic airline; probably the best I've ever flown on.
Lauda is the real hero here. Without him, the cause of the crash would never have been revealed.
This is some absolutely fantastic play by play walkthrough of such an accident.
Its a long episode but i dont think its possible to really shorten it without loosing information, and i honestly dont feel like a shortening is needed to keep someone invested in the story.
Absolutely amazing.
Also, i cant feel anything but sadness for the people lost due to this accident.
I find the "assumption" of the flight test parameters for the reverse thrusters very odd. Wouldn't one want to test all possible scenarios (not only most likely/critical (assumed critical). High(est) speed would be one of the most logical tests with a component that affects drag and stress on material? I just don't understand this oversight.
but then it would show a problem, and we know how Boeing approaches problems like these, remember the 737 MAX
basically - at that time there was little to no oversight of certification, so manufacturer comes up with his own scenarios, tests and procedures, that is what goes into the book the second pilot picked up and saw no actions necessary
You'd think unit testing would be a thing where every possible permutation of configurations is simulated but no...
it's called "selling planes"
@@geodescent you'd think so, because you've never owned an aircraft manufacturing company
@@dghtr79_36 yeah, you've hit the nail on the head. Regulators have to drive testing, corporations have a conflict of interest and will ignore problems. Just like the 737-MAX engine retrofitting and unannounced MCAS addition.
these videos are so interesting and a very good way for people (especially pilots) to learn such accidents. Keep up the amazing production Petter!
Not only that but there is a lot of great production work put into these .. I'm a little jealous because aviation accident investigation has been my personal obsession for as long as I can remember.. he does the best job of anyone I've seen on youtube .. probably owing to the fact that he also flies.
And a very good way to fuel your aviophobia
Damn, this is one of the best episode in my opinion, not only the animation, the explanation, but the events that occurred in this crash too.
Thank you for a technical description that people not involved in aviation, can appreciate. The graphics of the disintegrating aircraft are of very high quality but bone chilling. I know it has been many years since this tragic accident, but RIP all the victims.
This is the first of your videos that honestly scared me.
The pilots didn't really do anything wrong. They didn't really have time to do anything different anyway. The decent and crash just looked absolutely terrifying. I hope the passengers and crew lost consciousness before the worst of it.
Can you imagine looking out the window and seeing the wings break off and a fireball enveloping the passengers behind you? You'd know you were about to die. I can't imagine anything more terrifying end.
Rest in peace to everyone on that flight
Yes, all these mishaps tend to happen with Boeing!
@@michailbelov6703 air france flight 447 says hi
@@ImperialDiecast Exceptions confirm the rule! By the way, I have a ticket for September from South America to France, and that will be Airbus!
@Michail Belov The stupidest comments tend to be yours.
@@michailbelov6703 What on Earth does "exceptions confirm the rule" even mean? Utter nonsense.
[SPOILER] To think I was expecting a (hopefully survivable) simple stall when I opened this video. It’s the most evil thing I’ve ever seen, the combination of mechanical and natural forces acting on this plane almost seemed sentient and paranormal. The analogy giant hand turning a corkscrew was utterly chilling. Rest in peace to all aboard, I so hope their families find peace🙏
Yeah, I was hesitant to use that analogy actually. It was one of the reasons I put the extra warning on this one.
@@MentourPilot It was really effective! You always address these cases with sensitivity and expertise. Great work!
Yes, the corkscrew activated by Boeing!!!
evil? Wtf.....
what was "god" doing while he watched this disaster unfold?
Nevermind, the engineers who give us flight will study and solve this particular issue.
Thanks for nothing, "god".
This is terrifying. Both wings and the tail ripped off? Fuel fire? Jeez
600+ KIAS is actually being in heaven. No airline aircraft is designed nor has any headroom in construction left for this ridiculous speed. Most of them have a Vne of 330 to 340 KIAS. (Vne = velocity Never Exceed). Actually it was a bit surprising how long it lasts at those speeds, every second was a godsend or a delay to death in that case...
this sounds like a really really scary situation to be in, I really hope that this never happens again
Hello from Greece! i know nothing about aviation but i enjoy your videos as an mechanical engineer. Most of all i want to thank you for the way you tell us the story without offending the pilots that made mistakes in some stories, but trying to understand the workload they 've been. Thanks for helping me trying to be a better teamate at my job. Please keep your high quality as professional and as human!
I remember Niki Lauda personally got involved in the investigation and it became clear that Boeing was trying to cover-up the real cause of the accident. It took Niki Lauda, a qualified pilot, and a man famous for his no-nonsense relentless determination, to directly take-on the Boeing company, to prove what happened, and to force the truth out of Boeing. Sadly, 30 years after this accident not much seems to have changed at Boeing.
I really think this specific point needs to be highlighted. Without Mr Lauda's efforts more crashes may have occurred that never did.
I know this is probably sexist and whatever..But Niki Lauda was a GOD among men!!! A professional Formula One Champion, a gentleman driver with nothing bad to say about his rivals. A man that nearly had his face burned off among other things and didn't give up!! Became a pilot, and an airline owner and damn did he care about his passengers AND his employees!! Defied Boeing to give those passengers and crew and their families closure and a safer airline industry.
If that doesn't make Niki an inspiration I don't know what would?
@@deathstrike Totally agree! He raced just 40 or so days after the crash that nearly killed him (and which would have killed a lesser person) and his fire-proof balaclava (under his helmet) became soaked in blood from his wounds seeping from his earlier accident - yet (from memory) he still finished 4th in his comeback race.
@@deathstrike Why would anybody think what you said is sexist? He WAS as man, right? There's nothing wrong with things that are true, stop apologizing for saying things that are true. Be proud of who you are, be it a man or woman, and don't let other people make you feel like you're less than them. Unless you're trying to lift heavy objects, because then you're more than a woman. They can't match our strength.
@@deathstrike I am confused to hell why anyone would think that is sexist
Peter really does make excellent videos. They are technical yet understandable, detailed, no filler, compassionate, educational, and somehow still manages to tell a good story. Very impressive.
Have started watching your videos and as a nervous flyer I feel understanding planes and the unbelievable safety that goes into every flight has actually calmed me. You have a natural way of describing things very easily. Your knowledge, compassion, the way you explain things and your tone is extremely good. You have became my favourite RUclipsr. Keep up the excellent work. I would happily fly on a plane you pilot!! 👌👍
Could anyone else feel the terror when he was describing the breakup of the plane? I was terrified just listening to it. From boring routine to absolute horror in 26 seconds! Those poor pilots, the cabin crew and the passengers never had a chance. Incredibly sad subject matter, incredibly well done!👍
This actually happened to me I was a passenger in a flight from LAX to Minneapolis. The thrust reverser activated shortly after takeoff and we had a hairy few seconds before the pilot managed to shut down the engine we turned back for a heavy landing with all the emergency equipment rolled out at LAX. A pilot friend of mine told me we were very lucky to get away with that.
Was this in a plane with the engines mounted on the rear of the fuselage and narrow bore engines? (Like a DC 9 or 727)
@@davidpowell3347 no.
2 engines one each wing.
I REPEAT THE 767 IS A TWO ENGINE ASSEMBLY. sorry for shouting but some people here tend to think a 2 means 4.
@@cme98 so the other engine on the wing helped to counterbalance the effect! Very lucky to be in a 4 engines airplane!
You possibly survived because of this crash and the following investigations.
@@MyNotSoHumbleOpinion possible inboard engine would be easier to handle than the outboard one?
The Saddest part of this is the looting... I mean damn 100 People lose their lives and you're looting the crash site? So messed up
Imagine all the body parts at the site that they had to go through. They were probably collecting jewelry from fingers and hands they found and wallets from the remains of smashed torsos.
I suspect foul play. Maybe some secret agencies. Some unsafe cybersecurity techniques are to hoard software vulnerabilities in private, rather than publish them to be fixed. Maybe the same has been going on at Boeing; this would be consistent with their denial that the reversers are unsafe.
These vulnerabilities could be used against adversaries later.
Sadly it’s the case in most developing countries. Some people have no shame about looting accident sites and graves.
@@TheKatangeseDollarhe consciousness of the people in the countryside is at a medieval European level. The valves were just bits of copper. Surprised the authorities didn’t announce an immediate amnesty and small reward payment. But of course no-one would have trusted the authorities to follow through.
@@TheKatangeseDollar Thailand seems to have been described as a developing country since the 1950s. It's time to drop that "developing country" description and just say this is as good as it ever will get and move on.
A rogue reversor also took the TAM402 flight down right after takeoff back in 1996 here in Brazil.
I’ll have a look at that one as well
Oh wow...that is terrible!
Not exactly. The safety system worked, but the pilots hadn’t been trained for such an occurrence. When it happened, they thought the auto throttle had malfunctioned and were pushing the power back
@@Powerranger-le4up Not exactly! The pilots got no indication that a trust reverser was deployed and without this information they had no chance to interpret the behavior of the trust system and the whole airplane correctly!
Lacking an indicator inform the pilots that a trust reverser is deployed a serious design error!
@@MentourPilot There are more accidents with deployed thrust reversers.
A C5 Galaxy crashed in Ramstein on 20.8.1990 shortly after takeoff through an activated thrust reverser on engine 1
A Boeing 737-200 crashed after a go around because of a blocked runway on 11.2.1978 when the thrust reverser of engine 1 did not fully deactivate.
I think the 737-200 had the "old" type of reversers, don't know about the C5 ....
I’ve been binge watching your videos for a couple months now since I discovered your channel, and normally I’m not disturbed too much by hearing about crashes, but this one really shocked me and was hard to watch. I can’t imagine what the people on board must have been thinking during the decent - in fact I hope they lost consciousness early on and didn’t experience most of it. Thank you for making these amazing videos, and rest in peace to everybody on board ❤️
Abbi, you should retrain as a pilot. You'd be great!!
@@davebarnard1029 since watching these videos i’ve become really interested in it and i’ve actually done some research. i’d absolutely love to but the money aspect is a massive problem ☹️ hopefully i figure out a way!
@@abbirae3003 but how has this and other such stories affected you regarding flying? do you still fly planes or have you been affected so badly that you refuse to get on them anymore and take ships, trains, buses and cars instead for traveling?
@@dreamthedream8929 no it’s not really affected me i don’t think. i’m definitely more aware and pay more attention when i’m flying, but it’s more in a “oh i understand what’s happening” kind of way instead of an impending sense of doom lol. watching this channel has made me realise how safe flying is and that it’s rare for these kind of events to happen, so it hasn’t put me off it at all
@@abbirae3003 i see, its different for you then. ive read that others dont want to be on the plane ever again after watching something like that. Ive also read that those that have survived plane crashes and those that have lost someone close to them in one refuse to fly after due to trauma. its incredibely safe, many airlines dont even have a single deadly crash, unbelievable. but then something like this happens and a plane simply starts falling out of the sky or nose diving, suddenly just like this. this is such a contrast to that safety, when some part does not quite work properly leads to these kinds of results. I think that people are also afraid to fly due to this sense of no room for error there and they dont trust the people working in the aviation. In a car if your window breaks, mirrors goes down, even roof blows off or what not, no problem usually, just stop and fix it and no injuries and no one dying a terrible death. On a plane something like this happens and it just starts falling out of the sky, what the hell
I never care for content warnings in such videos as it is a simulation and I can handle it. But man oh man, this one just pierced through my safe bubble. Extremely impactful. Be warned.
There are always 2 sides of a medal
I watched 2 versions of this accident - the Mentour Pilot version is by far the most well explained.
I remember this incredibly sad event....It is a very sad day to all aviation professionals when our passengers get injured ... or worse.
"Back-in-the-day," when I had a guest in the flight deck during cruise, he asked, "Don't you ever get bored?" as he observed our relatively low workload. I thought, briefly, of the hundreds of critical things going on around us (near-supersonic air ripping by just inches from our heads; flying in the upper edges of an atmosphere where low pressures and temperatures are lethal; our dependence upon thousands of critical components; thousands of kilos of flammable liquids surging from tanks to engines and burning at incredibly hot temperatures; engines spinning at speeds and tolerances too critical to want to dwell on; the weather and navigation situations we always deal with.... etc.). I turned to him and just said, "Trust me - boring is GOOD! You wouldn't like 'exciting.' Nuff said.
No in-flight thrust reverser deployment of any kind is acceptable. Even back then, FAA and Boeing were already compromising safety.
Yup, and now recently the whole 737-MAX MCAS incidents...
@@muenstercheese And now Boeing is demanding that they be exempt from safety requirements or they're going to cancel the 737 MAX 10.
Absolutely. The reverse thrust must be a system that is triggered manually.
When I hear the thrust reversers during landing I wonder if it is possible these could deploy in the air and how serious that would be. Now I know.
The saddest part about this is the the pilots probably knew after the structure began to give way that they were doomed.
"Fortunately," the pilots were most likely unconscious at the moment of impact. They must have felt extreme fear for 20 seconds but they probably drifted off into unconsciousness before the ground impact.
@@katego370 why would you assume that?
@@FK-we1dp G forces etc. Humans are not designed to experience such nosedives. People basically get knocked unconscious, at least from what I understand.
@@katego370in an extreme dive there is zero G force, thats why the 'zero gravity' phenomenon happens and people go to the ceiling. High G force only occurs in a high speed turn of some sort.
What about the passengers? They literally had the "ride of their lives". 😞
I’m not familiar with a _ton_ of aviation accidents but this is potentially one of the most terrifying ones I’ve ever heard of
Helios Airways Flight 522 is something I find the most chilling, especially since the fighter jets saw cabin crew member try to fly the airplane at the end.
In the Helios accident passengers went quietly and deeply unconscious pretty quickly...in Lauda 004 passengers experienced a hell lot of horror
It is important to point out that the "reversers" on this aircraft are NOT thrust reversers. On the older 2-shell clap thingies you could actually deploy them and spin the engines up and draw yourself backward across the tarmac/staging slabs. The flow diverters on this plane are designed to create an impeding drogue made of air around the engine pushing a LARGE mass of air forward to almost all sides creating a large much lower than atmosphere pressure area behind the engine. When used in pairs they "suck" the plane slower and for the most part don't really produce thrust aimed to push the plane backwards. At 530mph they're gonna produce upwards of 3x the engine's active thrust setting in a much much higher pressure differential. The resulting effect in air is as if an almost indestructible parachute 25 feet in diameter suddenly snatched open attached to the engine pylon.
As to "do everything exactly right within 4 to 6 seconds" I'd like to add that the engine spool down is too slow and likely even firing the direct engine extinguishing equipment still would have not interrupted the portrayed event. The moment the diverters engaged the event was unstoppable even had they forced slat deployment and killed both engines as the diverters engaged. The landing diverters on the engines are simply the most dangerous system on aircraft at this time. They're exceptionally useful and effective on landing but will always be a ticking time-bomb in flight.
There is absolutely no reason why we cannot start installing multiple data and voice recorders on aircraft.
There is absolutely no reason why we cannot transmit data and voice records FROM the aircraft live by network.
That's interesting, I never knew the way reversers worked were this different, let alone that the design quirks meant that it was more sensitive the faster the aircraft travelled
Sadly the only really important thing in this world is money. We could do so much better but companies would have to pay for that, better to make things that are just workable and then call it done.
@Prjndigo thank you for this informative comment. I had a thought when I was reading it. It might be a stupid question, but I'm gonna ask it anyways. If the right hand thrust diverter had been deployed immediately after they realized the left one had deployed, would that have given them enough time to spool down the engines and get this situation into a manageable situation?
@@DanniV8, I believe there's no possible way to do that intentionally. The best they could have done would have been to pray that the other one also malfunction immediately.
@@seriouscat2231 Yeah I know it's impossible, just wondering if it would fix the situation if it was possible.
When he was seated in the cockpit of his aircraft, he noticed a ground vehicle still had the windshield wipers on when the rain stopped. He stepped off the aircraft and turned the wiper off. When asked why he did that, he answered in his typical dry way " It hurts me when I see a mechanical thing getting damaged".
I didn't knew about this story! This is the most beautiful example of the latest findings of the neuroscience: for their brains, high-level professionals consider their "gear" an extension of their bodies. The example that doc who founded this used to illustrate that was, if we closed our eyes and was asked to point our fingers were the middle point at our arms are, we will do it easily at our elbow region. If you do the same with Federer, he will point at the region not only considering his arm but where is the middle of his arm plus the raket.
Who?
@@ultimachamada1 What?
@@frankfarago2825 Lauda.
Yes. I believe it's known as "mechanical sympathy". I have it, and cringe at my friends who don't display it.