Captain Obvious Explains: why is BJJ so trash in the UFC right now?
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- Опубликовано: 12 фев 2024
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Why is it that in the early UFC, BJJ seemed unstoppable, but in the modern UFC, it's just a piece of the puzzle? Let's ponder that deep and meaningful question for 2 whole seconds. 
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Who would have figured that in a sport called mixed martial arts, it is beneficial for you to practice techniques in multiple martial arts.
Say it ain't so!XD
@@ajshiro3957I will not go, turn the lights off, carry me home!
Nananannananaaaa
@@ajshiro3957wrestle with jimmy
@@ynghuch this sounds a lot like BJJ, just throwing yourself to the ground
I agree with you on Fred Ettish. That dude is an inspiration. He got his ass whooped, and instead of vanishing in shame, he cross trained, got better, and came back for a cage fight.
Mad respect for him. He’s a true man.
Also he won his 2nd MMA fight at the age of 55 yrs old. Major props to him.
Fred Ettish also took one hell of a beating before he quit. People trashed his “fetal fighting style”, but that only happened at the very end.
Ive seen lots of later fighters tap out to less.
Yeah I remember Fred... First UFC match I watched actually against Jonny.... Totally battered... Then eventually became a MFS coach... I think via a franchise option, and eventually had a match some years later and won..... Many people would not bother after so many years and in a successful business... respect... It was a serious whooping he got from Johnny too.
If you don't know how to grapple, you gonna get grappled.
Plenty of people knew how to grapple in 1993.
Ken Shamrock@@DADRB0B55
@@DADRB0B55 lol nope
I think most of the people asking these questions don’t train in anything or are very fresh. These types of statements tend to go away with a bit of experience.
Yes, I'm proof of that.
Agreed all you gotta do is spar a few times or roll a few times and if you’ve followed the sport for years and actually analyze it you understand it.
Look Aikido fans still say they got it and they are practiced 😂 seriously many times people don’t know OR have not studied enough and I agree that is the issue many times. Though arrogance and extreme POV also are issues as well.
Well this dumb ass doesn't really train
Nah not really. Example how come the literal best grapplers on the planet can't come into mma and get a belt but good strikers and wrestlers can?
In my experience there are two ways you will ever see success in MMA: 1) you have a HIGH level of proficiency in a stress-tested grappling or striking art and you cross-train to an intermediate proficiency in all the other components where you are lacking. 2) You have intermediate proficiency in MMA fighting, as in the classes that put them altogether from the start, and you are naturally athletic and spend time on your cardio.
There is no room for one trick ponies. Even Ronda Rousey, who is an Olympic Judoka, spent most of her time cross-training striking and no-gi groundwork to fill her gaps. And that's not because Judo is trash, and anyone who's ever dared even an amateur level Shodan to throw them knows Judo is legit.
Could have fooled me with her striking training, what with her using the Rocky Balboa defense against Amanda Nunes in her final UFC fight.
@@RaderizDorrethave you seen europeans throwing a ball? Sometimes when you didnt learn something when you ate young, you are super awkward even with practice.
According to Chael Sonnen, the opposite is true: you only need enough grappling to get out of holds if you're a good striker.
@@varanid9 As a karate guy, that's been my experience. In the stand up clinch, I'm better than average since karate actually has a lot of that as a focus outside of the McDojo bullshit. But I'm dogshit on the ground and striking in the pocket is my bread and butter. I've cross trained some in both wrestling and BJJ to learn takedowns and ground fighting if I end up there, but I found that learning enough about how those systems work and how to avoid them so I can focus on my main game has worked wonderfully for me. Though for me it's less "escape a hold" and more "evade the hold" because if your gameplan against a grappler is "fight out once they have ahold of you", then you're in deep shit. That's why Rousey dominated so much until she met Holm: all of Rousey's opponents talked about "I'm working drills to escape her armbar" which states they expected to be stuck fighting her fight and needed to find a way to beat an Olympic level Judoka in grappling. Holm instead worked enough grappling to frustrate Rousey's attempts to set up the armbar while stitching her up and then even scored a takedown of her own against Rousey.
@@sherlockbonez Europeans are bad at throwing balls because we don't play baseball.
If we practiced baseball every day like a professional, this wouldn't even be an argument.
I only started striking at 21 and I became a technical fighter instead of a throwing bombs kind of guy.
Understanding of grappling improving by leaps and bounds at the highest levels of combat sports =/= BJJ being trash now. Guys posting that BJJ is trash nowadays could likely not last against the average blue belt, and most professional MMA fighters could submit them over and over again using just BJJ while going easy on these guys. The guys claiming BJJ is trash nowadays are untrained or barely trained. MMA is not in the state it was 20 years ago where it was all style vs style. Nowadays the talent pool is skilled all around in the sport of MMA itself, and some of them have some specialization from prior combat sports, but many guys don’t even have a “base” style anymore, they learned everything in an MMA context and it works very well.
Its crazy how mixed martial arts originally meant different styles fighting one another... im not sure 30 yrs ago if people knew it would go on to describe EACH fighter in the future. The appeal was the different styles meeting and determining which was the best against the others.... that debate got settled quickly.... now every fighter has to know a bit of everything. Kinda crazy how far the sport has come in so little time.
"These guys on the internet would get trashed by a real BJJ fighter" is not a real argument
@@icespicefan4771 That's not the argument. That's your straw man version of it. The argument was that people are claiming BJJ doesn't work in MMA anymore, when the reality is that BJJ is like Boxing in that it works so well that it's become ingrained into the sport so much that everyone is good enough at it to understand it so that it can't be as dominant as it once was. My secondary point is that people who actually train in MMA understand this, and the people saying it sucks for MMA don't train or are barely trained. I say this from experience as somebody that's trained in elite MMA gyms among UFC and Bellator champions. Aside from a few Dagestanis poking fun, nobody who can actually compete at a high level sleeps on BJJ, just like they don't sleep on good Wrestling, Boxing, Muay Thai, etc...
People also don't understand that MMA is also a restricted ruleset and what "works" depends on that ruleset. They don't wear clothes so grappling is hard not to mention the gloves and forced standup.
good wrestling n sub defense+ striking on da ground reduces the "bjj" skillgap by like 2 belts
bjj was never dat good vs catch wrestlers/sambists cus of the bad wrestling practiced by bjj cultists. only a few bjj guys shined in mma n for short periods of time
Wrestling is da fundament n bjj guys just arent good at it compared to the rest of the grapplers. When the wrestlers learned how to defend against a guy squirmin for transitions n subs from bottom, it became easy.
Bjj got "invented" by taking old judo with all the locks n morphing n adapting it for special olympians who cant do throws so ye, its trash now lol. Bjjtards actually gotta learn the other parts of grappling now so their cult is defunct. They have to admit defeat n learn wrestling in order to become competitive in mma today
I trained TKD in Seoul for many years but always knew that it wasn’t a complete system. Moved to the USA & wrestled & recently took up boxing & feel much more confident I can defend myself better now than with just TKD.
Dude, how are you not getting tons of voice acting work??? You would be a phenomenal narrator for any documentary!
Is this a job offer?
@@RamseyDewey If I ever need a voice over for anything, I'll holler at ya, LOL!
*shows up at Ramsey’s gym, dojo, or place for workouts while wearing street-clothes* “Howdy, Partn’r !! If you’re here to challenge me to a fight, I don’t do that. My videos cover the myriad reasons, and” “I’ve studied Tai-Chi in rural Taiwan. I’ve studied capoeira in Santos, São Paulo. My Mestre has sent me to you to…” “To challenge me ? Look Buddy, I don’t…” “To study diction and elocution under your tutelage, ShíFü.”
We used to get a lot of ranked belts from other disciplines come to learn techniques their martial art lacked or simply didn’t focus on. There wasn’t anything called MMA yet, but even then, in the late 80s everyone knew you had to cross train.
It's weird to me that some people still don't get this, but MMA is just a ruleset. You can strike and grapple, standing and on the ground. That's literally it. Stephen Thompson isn't even 'using karate in MMA'. He's punching and kicking in MMA. Just like every other MMA fighter. If a baseball hitter started doing kendo, you wouldn't say that he was 'using baseball in kendo'. BJJ can't 'suck' for MMA; they're completely different sports. You know what definitely doesn't suck in MMA: submissions. Go to an MMA gym and try to say that submissions are trash. See how far that gets you.
"those guys cross train idiots"I feel your frustration coach😂
good stuff as always. I love jiu jitsu, train it constantly but the Gracie myth is exhausting. Jiu jitsu fighters didn't even dominate early MMA more so it was grapplers of all backgrounds. And now what you see is more akin to when people call the NFL a "slower game" then college football, when in fact all the players are amazingly fast but the difference in speed and ability and players in college is much more obvious than it is in the NFL where you've distilled down to only the most elite players in the game.
This.
id say thats what kinda happen to styles in mma. Theyve been refined to "everyone" is well rounded. I almost think its bad for the sport if every fighter is a prototype though. Its poker all over again.
I agree with your points. However, there is another element that is really important: the first UFC matches had fighters without hand wraps and gloves. Gloves and hand wraps make it safe for a fighter to slam the little bones in their hands into the very hard bones of the skull.
Very true and don’t forget there were no stand ups for inactivity and much longer rounds, if any rounds
@MrPhillipRoberts Great points! Stand ups and rounds completely pushed the game away from grappling.
I think the argument stems from the fact that currently we have multiple ADCC medalist and champions not doing well in MMA, yet we have extreme wrestling and kickboxing specialists like Israel Adesanya, Alex Periera, and Islam finding high level success.
When we are defining specialists what we want to bring up with BJJ is that guard even at the highest levels is not ever an advantageous position despite being an ADCC champion. Your ADCC level guard is not going to negate someone who isn't participating and no one can seemingly force the high level guard game on people multiple levels worse than them at BJJ.
The difference is that wrestlers and specialist kickboxers have found a way to impose their high level game against opponents.
Ehhh adesanya and pereira are outliers... alot of the time its just age people are too old by the time they transition and cant train well enough. Werdum did Burns is doing well Tonon is still a ranked contender despite the horrible Thanh Le gameplan. Im not saying one or the other is better im arguing that champs in a certain mma-inclusitory combat sport has a good chance of being ranked in modern MMA.
The guy above me has a point 👆🏼don’t forget about BJ Penn, RDA, Charles Olivera, and Brandon Moreno, all people who started training jiu jitsu at a young age who transitioned to mma not too long after. At the end of of the day, train everything
Also Islam, Khabib, and the rest of their camp started in combat sambo. A form of mma with special rules and fight in kimono tops, it’s quite a different sport than pure wrestling
@@nathantheophilus4856I don’t agree with that as someone who’s cross trained. Let’s say we have an Olympic gold medalist wrestler, glory kickboxing champion, and ADCC champion. The wrestler on average would have the quickest transition, because of the importance of wrestling. Also the mentality needed to push through adversity. Then the striker, because they have to unlearn less things compared to a grappler and they’re used to getting punched in the face. The bjj guys would have the hardest time since a lot of them have mediocre takedowns, they don’t train as hard, and they’re not used to getting punched in the face.
@@rico14 i mean we have multiple anecdotes to pick and choose from. Cormier/nickal/romero from wrestling, pereira/adesanya from kickboxing, and werdum/tonon/dolidze on adcc. Some have speedier smoother transitions others have worse one. Not denying the "on average" comparison you make coz lets be fair i dont have the time or willingness to count the data of how many people transitioned and how fast it took them to adapt - but my argument was that combat sports champions with a good team around them tend to generally do well crossing in provided they have a good regimen. It also doesnt help in the bjj sense when a bjj specialist gets beat by a guy with a strike and people say it "doesnt work" while they ignore the striker is probably brown belt and above (thanh le vs tonon, topuria vs hall). But weve never said wrestling doesnt work well when wrrstling champs get outwrestled by those with far less wrestling pedigree (GSP vs everyone, jones vs cormier, cejudo vs DJ) or kickboxers/strikers get beat up by those with far less notable striking pedigrees (strickland-adesanya, schaub-crocop).
Tldr : everyone generally does well when theyve been champ - but theyre also not impervious to losses - even by those less credentialed.
@@nathantheophilus4856Pereira and Adesanya are not outliers because we do not get many kickboxers of their caliber fully dedicated to transitioning to MMA to begin with. Based on the limited data set we have available we would assume that being high level in that sport is more beneficial than being high level in sport BJJ. We could argue there's a good reason why people don't make that transition but regardless that doesn't fit the definition of an outlier.
Another thing that most people don't realize is that the person using the martial art is just as important as the martial art hundreds and thousands of people do boxing but everyone isn't a Manny pacquiao or a floyd mayweather or a lomachenko there's a reason that only a handful reach greatness.
Ramsey, katanas are better the baseball bats. Prove me wrong!
Lol
False. You will never hit a home run with a katana. Sorry.
@@RamseyDeweyhahaha
The Japanese traded katanas for baseball bats a long time ago. I trust the experts.
@@RamseyDewey you made me lol in RL. 😂😂😂
BJJ with wrestling and light Judo is awesome and I can’t wait to see where it takes me
Probably straight to a plastic surgeon to perform a rhinoplasty after you bump into somebody who knows how to throw a punch.
@@beelzebootthecanadiandevil9600 Are we seriously still doing the grappling vs striking shit again? seriously? You have to now puff your chest and talk tough about how you need striking FOR dAH STREETZ? alright man i'll sign up for your email listing where you explain to me everything i need to do to get into illegal dangerous street fights and win
why would you do 3 grappling styles lmao.
@@episode6691 They'd be a nasty grappler. Nothing wrong with that so long as they get a good amount boxing and/or kickboxing somewhere along the line
Some guys don't even train submissions, but they do train how to spot them. Thats universal. The defense is amazing across the board. No one hits the ground and just flounders. No one just gives their back. Everyone trains to not make mistakes
Everyone trains everything thats why you dont see the full extent of everything everytime
Awesome video coach!
I’m also glad that in addition to the big 4 (boxing, wrestling, BJJ, Muay Thai) there are more and more fighters who can cross train and utilize elements of the other combat sports as well like Judo, Sambo, and Sanda.
Sir, it's always good to watch a video of yours, period 🤗🥋💪🥊
I think part of the problem is how much BJJ practitioners tend to Hype up the martial arts as a one-size-fits-all Swiss Army knife.
Bjj is great. That is why the average mma fighter has a purple belt. Bjj specialists are relatively less effective because in part everyone has some base of knowledge and that is the last point in the escalation of a fight. While a wrestling or striking specialist can limit the opportunity of the opponent appearing more dominant. I would like to add identity makes you worse its additional friction between the identification of skills to accomplish your goal and getting needed skills.
a striking specialist is much worse than bjj specialist, a strike one takedown and he is done, mma is also soooooo much better for striking with the stupid 5 round nonsense, nowadays strikers try to survive for 3 minutes or some and sometimes they succedeed, i can send you 100000 of clips where wordclass bjj guys are on top but time runned out otherwise striker would be choked out or destroyed ( werdum vs worldclass striker overeem, heelhook that 100 % was be effective of simoes vs that striker in onefc, etc). its not even up for discussion : wrestling or combat sambo >bjj>judo or strikers. i can give you a whole damn list
Gloves and rounds also remove the advantage of BJJ in UFC.
Yeah, but there are many MMA rules that limit all aspects of the fight nowadays, such as headbutts and kicks to grounded opponents being banned.
@@SootyPhoenix knees to grounded opponents would help grapplers a lot.
A black belt got his ass kicked in kots, where there are no rules or gloves.
Nice t-shirt! Happy to hear your opinios as always Ramsey!
Nice evaluation and entertaining summary. Thanks!
Nice video my man. I was watching on the phone and your cables in the corner made me think I had broke my screen hahaha. Keep up he good work
What makes specialization interesting to me is when people can tailor all their skills to let one shine. Wonderboy is fascinating because he's managed to tailor his weaker skills to facilitate his karate. Wonderboy has so many soft skills for takedown defense that can't be obviously seen. Hes actually helping develope karate for modern fighting. He could teach a clinic on where to stand, on how to "run" (i hate that word but you know what i mean), and how to avoid takedowns and get your cool kicks in without having to immediately resort to pummeling underhooks and sprawling.
Mr. Dewey, the ranges of fighting are kicking, punching, trapping and grappling, or the pieces of the puzzle as you called them. It is important for any practitioner to seek the.highest levels of competence in each. I watch videos and read articles with an open mind hoping that I learn something. I urge others to do the same. Best wishes.
All sports are full of strategies that give an advantage, then techniques and strategies that are developed to counter them and then new strategies become dominant until those are figured out. That’s the way it goes.
Also, bjj is great for people that want to do practice and train physical combat without getting punched or kicked in the head. Which is good for a lot of people.
Great video!
Amazing T-Shirt!
Reminds me of the who would win question Fisto vs Jitsu in He-Man.
Coach RD nearly finished me in the first minute of this video 😂😂😂 and then explained everything like a professor. Good stuff.
Top-level anything can look dull as heck and even amaterish, when the opponents are evenly matched. Boxing. Muay Thai. BJJ.
Nice…thank you for sharing! Amazing wisdom and knowledge as always. 😊
The way modern MMA is setup greatly benefits the strikers now as well. The fact we have 5x 5 minute rounds gives the strikers a reset to their dominant position. I think grappling would be much more effective if they did away with rounds and gloves like the old days.
Was thinking the same, the lack of gloves in the early days I had totally missed though; good point. UFC is unfortunately a for profit company and therefore wants to make as much money as possible, and having two fighters "hugging" on the ground for 20 minutes is not something the casual viewer want to see, even if it needs to be that unrestricted in order to truly determine the Ultimate Fighter. Compared to what it was the UFC is a joke now; they don't live up to their name at all anymore.
ye not being able to knee a guy in sprawl after stuffing 30 of his takedowns is def a big advantage for the striker
lol
Just sumbled on your videos. Enjoyed listening to this. You have that voice that should be an announcer at sport events or movie advertisements.
Well, I worked for 2 years as a ringside commentator for Kunlun fight. Is this a job offer?
Hey Ramsey! I love your videos, and have taken a lot of inspiration from you and implemented a lot of your ideas in my coaching. I have a question, and I’d like if you can help me out; Do you think people should be a certain age to coach? I’m 21 years old and I’m coaching a huge portion of the BJJ programme at my MMA gym, almost every student is older than me by 5 years to a decade+ I often feel as though my age limits my ability to be taken seriously as a coach, maybe it’s just me.
The only way you will be taken serious is by proving yourself experienced, skilled and knowledgeable. But it will not be eazy.
From my understanding
As long as you're authentic and humble, you'll be fine overall. Be patient with your students because people have different styles of learning. Be kind and you'll be fine. I'm an older student. I would learn from a younger person if they have the attributes I mentioned. ☝️
Man, I love watching those old UFC events and watching how the Karate guys adapted to NHB. Keith Hackney, a Kenpo fighter, was using hammer fists and such but he mixed in his background in boxing for timing and footwork. Harold Howard (my GOAT) was kicking and even tried a Rolling Thunder but his toughness (and experience with bar fighting and hockey brawls) kept him from getting completely destroyed. And then there was Fred Ettish. A really nice guy that learned the hard way what Keith and Harold already knew - it was a real fight and real fights aren't done like point fighting. Fred's story is awesome though for that comeback.
Thanks, Captain Obvious! You saved the day again by thinking for two seconds!
That question was soooooooooooo deep.
Hahaha!
MMA On Point recently put out a video of ten UFC fighters who don't really use their foundational martial art in the UFC. It was a list of nine wrestlers who used their wrestling to stand and bang, and Benson Henderson.
2:15 they got out there and trained
I forget who said it, but I think it makes sense. A striker's job of keeping the fight standing tends to be harder than the grappler's job of getting the fight to the ground.
So not to say one doesn't need each as much as the other, it can become more paramount for a striker to learn enough grappling to counter grappling... in order to stay standing more and keep playing their way.
But it's yin-yang. It goes both ways. A BJJ black belt takes a few good hits, brown belt. A few more, purple belt, etc lol!
People think BJJ is trash because they don't realize everyone trains it and it's a must in modern MMA. Just because a fighter choses tp strike doesnt mean they neglect their grappling.
The issue is that wrestlers have a high enough gamesense to protect themselves from BJJ. So BJJ went from.a cheat code, to a must, to something you can actually skip if you are a skilled grappler.
Yeah I agree with what you're saying same skills can cancel each other out and it would drag on so they try to fall back on other skill sets that they have to see who is better at whichever skill they're using its boxing kickboxing or whatever
Loved your response, calm, collected. But also I gotta say I love the hat 🧢
Could you make a video about the sparring session between Sean Strickland and Sneako? Would love to hear your thoughts.
Yes I've seen 2 commentaries on that, but would def be interested in Ramsey's take on it.
Watch the demetrious johnson breakdown. It's great
As Roger Gracie said - the moment You put striking into fight, 80% of BJJ flies through the window.
"fatigue makes cowards of us all" a BJJ blue and above can whether the storm of a striker, look at Tony Jeffries trying to do BJJ he was submitted like 30 times in 10 minutes.
Another thing worth mentioning is that now many fighters are wise to a grappler as when a fighter goes to grapple and closes the range he/she is vulnerable to elbows, knees, kicks if the other fighter has trained anti grappling.
not to mention that the UFC has in various ways discouraged 'grinding control time' and 'boring fights', so less fighters want to risk getting tied up in someone's guard when the judges could score 5 clean strikes on the feet higher than 3 minutes of control.
ONE actually has consistently higher level grappling and BBJ on display, and not necessarily because they're better at it more of them just incorporate it into their game presumably because they're not as worried about their forward career trajectory like UFC fighters are. Covington almost getting let go for example.
Definitely need to know it all today..!! I started wrestling back in the 80's finishing 3rd in the Junior Olympics with Paul Keysaw (D1 Champion) standing next to me..!! I then mixed in a small amount of Karate and a healthy dose of Judo..!! I feel the Karate benefited most in learning my go to front kick or push kick..!! Judo, by far is beneficial to ANY wrestler period just because of throws, not to mention the sick chokes..!! If you're already a high level wrestler you actually pick up the striking, throws, and subs pretty quick,,,, like within a year..!! Great video..!!
Love the shirt!
That said, agree with your assessment. BJJ was awesome exactly because theyd never trained against them. I'm a gongfu guy (eagle claw, Chen and Yang taijiquan, xingyiquan, winng chun, and yiquan). But my arts didnt come alive until i trained with people from other disciplines. We had just above 50 people from 31 systems over the decade of our little group, including boxing, kyokushin, and BJJ. I learned to adapt what I knew and in my prime was pretty formidable. We were essentially doing MMA before it was called MMA.
We were also pretty stupid. We sparred hard a lot, and broken bones weren't uncommon. We were tough, but high on adrenaline and testosterone.
My training these days is a bit more relaxed these days. I still condition like crazy, but my students and i dont go hard like I used to. And im having a lot more fun.
It would be wild if your voice at 1:10 was your real speaking voice and the smooth baritone speaking we have all grown to love is just an act.
I’m a contrabass, not a baritone. My vocal range isn’t nearly high pitched enough to be a baritone.
@@RamseyDewey my bad
Ramsey,
Spot on.
Thanks much
Are boxing punches more effective than JKD punches? Is it really necessary for me to turn my fist so that it’s horizontal when I throw a straight punch?
Also: 1. UFC is also a spectacle/show. If you are a “boring” or “complicated” fighter/grappler, then you are less likely to get the opportunities of a more flashy striker (also easier for a novice to crudely understand what’s going on).
2. Given the likely short career (and point 1), it’s easier or more likely to yield success to train to win with striking, complemented with predominantly takedown and entanglement defense (perhaps with “dirty boxing” offense). If you can avoid the grapplers, then you can win, so just learn that part. There’s more to it but it’s certainly easier than needing a black belt in BJJ or similar.
Training feels good.
Thank you again for the lesson.
Some people are just silly.
Hello coach, I have a question
Recently I have been rapidly loosing interest in my muay thai training. I figured that this is a result of repetitive formulaic training but even when I spar (the most fun part) I feel empty, even when I perform well. I don't know what can I do to reignite my passion. I have tried taking breaks but it didn't work. Note that I do not feel physically fitugued, only mentally and most sparring sessions are light with good partners . For example at the last sparring session I performed a perfectly timed teep and instead of feeling excited , I felt empty. Have you ever experienced a similar problem and how did you deal with it?
Is it that MuayThai just is not for me (even though I consistently and happily train for approximately 1,5 years)?
Thank you for reading this and have a good day
Try Karate it's more fun.
Are you experiencing this with MT only, or other areas of your life also.
Have you tried competition?
Good point, I must say that no. In life I have felt empty before but not burned out. Let me explain I have felt empty after the fact, but never lacking the motivation to do
something in the first place. I don't think that competition is a solution as:
-if I lack enjoyment out of regular training, there is no way I am going to like it more, when things go harder
-life gets in the way(university,... etc) and I want to experience more things in life since I am still pretty young
-I already feel like I am putting myself in unnecessary danger when I train, because my focus is not all there
-as a hobbyist, I have the freedom to quit when I see must, but there is no such freedom when I have to fight
Having though about it, what I am thinking of doing is quiting (for the time being) MuayThai not only because I feel burned out but because of a second reason (mentioned below ).
Thank you for taking time and responding to me.
The second reason mentioned is not related to the problem I expressed, since why I mention it here. In my country it's pretty difficult to find any grappling/wrestling schools in contrast to striking arts especially if you don't live in the capital. I live in the capital but do not really love it, but since I have university, family,...etc here I am planning to stay for at least a couple of more years. So this is a unique opportunity to try out those schools and get as much experience and most importantly enjoyment out of them possible.
Thanks for the suggestion, but I do not think that is going to work for me
The same thing happens to me with boxing. You should consult a sports psychologist and also see the nutrition part
Beautifully explained. I’m sure you’re sick of it by now but it was entertaining regardless
What BJJ techniques and positions, would you say you need to be proficient to be well equipped for mma?
What Boxing techniques and positions?
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@@RamseyDeweysounds good. Link?
click on my channel, click the playlist tab@@phredbookley183
This is the most casual fan ever.
The fact that it’s 2024, the year of our Lord, and we are still having these kinds of conversations is baffling.
I’m not even super into BJJ, but this kind of thing is like “If BJJ is so good, where are it’s table tennis champions???”
I get that’s a bit hyperbolic, there is some overlap between MMA and other martial disciplines, but the continued existence of people who fail to recognize that different sports are different is just strange. Some folks haven’t had a critical thought in their whole life, I swear.
Question, Coach: in kickboxing rules, what is the front kick defense that gives me the best opportunity to counter?
Any that isn't the closed guard. You can stab the toes with your elbows with the closed guard which is malicious but certainly helps in a fight.
The point isn't the defensive movements unlocking you counters, you are the one who needs to train counters from the multiple defensive moves.
You could become a gold medalist in Olympic wrestling and be the best Muay Thai competitor in the world. However that doesn't mean you are going to be the best at MMA. You certainly have an incredible head start but there are critcal elements missing there, that you would have to fill in with more training.
There are setups and techniques in MMA that you wouldn't be able to handle if you encountered them in a fight.
For instance you don't fight off a cage wall in wrestling or Muay Thai. You don't have to deal with ground and pound or any submissions in wrestling or Muay Thai. You don't have to deal with someone feinting a punch to only come up on a double leg in wrestling or Muay Thai.
While most MMA fighters still have their specialty, they have unique ideas and techniques to handle those situations that you will NOT find any any singular, traditional martial art.
MMA really has become its own martial art.
It's almost funny that specific styles still exist. Like for example, people who train Aikido and nothing else under the guise that it's for self defence. I mean, maybe against a drunk dude but anything else and you just need to know more.
I personally have done mostly striking styles. But (as much as I don't really like them) I've dabbled a bit in some grappling so I at least know what I'm up against.
Wonderboy has heavily trained wrestling and BJJ with his brother-in-law, Chris Weidman, for over 10 years. In turn he helps Weidman, a wrestler, with his striking. He helped him get ready for Anderson Silva..
I caught some clips of Thompson's last fight, against a skilled wrestler I didn't know to well. I was honestly impressed with all of the smart grappling tactics Thompson used to keep the feet and frustrate the takedown. He never really got his striking going and the wrestler dragged him down and submitted him after a bit, but I came away knowing that Thompson is a better grappler than I am.
Submission is still the most likely way to finish a UFC fight. #1 decision, #2 submission, #3 standing TKO, #4 TKO in grappling
But most of them is ther other person quitting.
And most of the submissions are off RNC, which isn't some 'secret BJJ voodoo' level stuff. Its so simple i wouldnt even call it a technique. Its just a move, and can basicalky be learned just from seeing it.'
@@mlc808 yeah like a jab, so easy you just watch a video on RUclips and know how to do it.
I’d say there is significantly more technique involved in delivering a jab. RNC much less so. 1 demo, the students get it.
@@mlc808 sure they do, then they immediately choke out good people with it, just like i go around jabbing pro boxers after watching a RUclips video on how to extend my left arm forward and back
Gracie Jiujitsu was applied to both grappling sports and vale tudo, so the high level BJJ of today is very different after innovations in a grappling ruleset. MMA fighters with elite BJJ backgrounds don’t even grapple the same way, they must defend and utilize strikes. Even the limited ground-and-pound in Slapjitsu makes big changes to what works.
The problem with how people criticize BJJ as a system is that they expect it to be HOW you grapple, as opposed to what you do IN a grappling exchange. If I’m a goofball in a bar fight, and another untrained goofball is kicking my butt, once he topples me over and expects to wail on me on the ground BJJ will have a lot of utility in reversing my butt kicking. If I am an MMA fighter in a sanctioned fight, well me and my opponent likely have some amount of wrestling skills, and what we setup and do in our grappling exchanges will also come from BJJ. BJJ is not the end all be all, but then again no combat system really is, they’re all puzzle pieces that need to fit together. And don’t even get me started on how much more effective Security/Law Enforcement becomes once they know some BJJ
I was only 35 seconds in when I commented this, didn’t realize the video was also gonna say this lol
Unless the untrained goofball soccer kicks your head while you’re on your butt in guard (or stomps it if you’re on your back). BJJ is *very* good at what it does (ground submissions). It’s reputation is currently suffering because its practitioners and fans act like that makes it the be all/end all. It a piece of the puzzle. But it’s more sport than martial art at this point though.
@@mlc808 goofball soccer kicks are one scenario, but if you're in my guard (I'm more of a guard passer than a guard player lol) then you're not just standing up, and if I'm on top of you you're definitely not standing up, in either case you're not soccer kicking me, you're likely going to sleep. I agree that it has turned into a pretty specialized grappling sport in many cases, but the real life carry over is still very strong (otherwise mma guys would not be required to understand it in order to survive with all of their other skills)
@robertberkowitz992 Your takedowns better be insanely good if you think you're ever getting me in your guard. But that's the point. BJJ acts like guard is the starting point. It's not. Most fights end up on the ground. But they ALL start on the feet.
So I'm a martial artist of 20 years. In my time I've done sport styles like karate kickboxing, BJJ and boxing, I've done historical stuff like traditional karate or Ninjutsu, and combative stuff like Krav and kfm, and even a little bit of the weirder stuff like systema. (I'd say the two biggest influences is the kickboxing and Ninjutsu but I digress)
I am so so sick of martial art vs martial art comparisons when someone thinks there will be a definitive answer on which is better.
1. They all have different goals in mind. For example Aikido is focused on spiritual enlightenment, krav maga is focused on battlefield effectiveness, bartitsu is focused on historical interest, and boxing is training for a sport. How then are you going to compare apples to oranges?
2. If you want to get skilled at a sport martial art, train that sport martial art. Shocker. The best martial art for MMA is MMA. (Which is Jiujitsu, wrestling, Muay Thai and boxing mixed together in equal parts with some other random influences here and there from other styles like Judo and karate)
3. You will find legit fighters, and jokers in every style of martial art. I don't care what example. There's no secret formula for success. If you workout, eat right, train your style with resisting opponents and spar, you'll become a good fighter.
Because it's always been a scam
>take half the stuff out of judo
>say you invented the best style
Broadly speaking, your grappling has to be on point to not be dominated in that manner, which then allows your striking skill set the conditions to shine
Fred Ettish also won his second fight at 54, 15 years after his first fight. So he gets another point for that.
The guy he beat was making his pro debut, and he retired a year later at 0-9. In 2025, it'll be 15 since since HE last fought...
2:16 Your a bit wrong about that Ken shamrock was a shoot wrestler and he was very skilled with submission leg locks being something he was very good at and he did compete in ufc 1 and while he did lose he had only been training shoot wrestling for about 2 years while Royce had been training bjj since he was a kid
For those that don't know shoot wrestling comes from catch wrestling and was very poplar in japan during the 80s and 90s
Royce beat Severn too that Train Wrestling all his life and are much bigger.
And Remco Pardoel.
@@DouglasGomesBueno-jw9lh Severn was a free style and Gerco roman wrestler him and don fry trained judo for their submissions and Dan also competed in Sambo
What I'm talking about is catch wrestling and shoot wrestling think guys like Josh barnett Billy Robinson and Karl gotch
Ken was a shoot wrestler and did lose but as I pointed out he only had about two years of training in shoot and about 4 years of high school wrestling which has no submissions so Gracie had been training in bjj since he was a kid that a big gap in time
If we take someone who's been training Sambo for 20 years and he beat a bjj guy who's only been doing it for about 3 that does not mean Sambo > Bjj that's the point I was making
In the beginning they also had far longer rounds which benefits a grappler. Now they barely have time to set up a submission before the round is over.
This reminds me of flat earth videos. It is somehow very sad that you need to point out something this obvious. "If BJJ is sooooo good, why is it not dominating?"
Ok... uh, now let's see how many MMA fighters don't train in it...
Q: Hello Ramsey I train MMA and recently I went to a kickboxing event where a teammate was fighting and what I noticed is that kickboxing striking is very different from MMA striking, they were aggressive and throwed a lot of combination that ended with kicks specifically leg kicks and my gym focuses more on counter attacks, rolls etc. I was just wondering as an MMA coach how would you deal against this aggressive combination style in a kickboxing fight?
1. train in grappling
2. wait for doofus to throw 12 punches in a row
3. dive and take down
4. smesh
Seriously, the reason the styles tend to differ is because kickboxers don't have to deal with the possibility of a double leg out of nowhere. Different rulesets create differing styles.
@@qowkerf I said in a KICKBOXING FIGHT if it is MMA of course I'm going for that takedown.
@@mrsenkur613 You lack the basic english skill to understand my point then. I recommend reading more.
@@qowkerf ??? You said I should go for a takedown, what more do you mean?
@qowkerf and you apparently need to work on your reading comprehension. Going for a double leg in a kickboxing match would get you a warning, possibly a point deduction.
Closest thing to rigging in UFC1 was that the Savate guy couldn't wear his shoes... And considering he not only still entered knowing he had to be barefooted but reached the final match after knocking three teeth out of his first opponent's mouth it doesn't look like much of a rigging to me.
The Savate guy wasn't a Savate guy - he was a Kyokushin Karate guy. They only called him a Savate guy to make it look like they had more variety in the styles of martial arts being represented.
also everyone conveniently forgets ken shamrock who was a grappler
@@killersalmon4359 He was actually both, and more: Gordeau started with Kyokushin Karate, and later learned Savate, Boxing, Wrestling, Muay Thai, and Judo. The two reasons Savate was relevant is that he had been the 1992 world champion in that and that him fighting barefooted is the only thing that one may see as rigging if they're biased.
The tournament-style format put a kickboxer like Gordeau at a disadvantage.
by the time he faced off against Gracie in the final, Gordeau had at least one broken hand, and a couple of teeth still embedded in his foot.
Apparently he was originally supposed to fight Royce in the first round of the competition, but the organisers changed the lineup when they found out he had legit fighting experience.
A li'l bit rigged in that sense.
@@killersalmon4359 Gerard Gordeau is a kyokushin and savate practitioner
Should I start training boxing first, and then get really good at it, and then transition to Muay Thai or Dutch Kickboxing later after my hands get sharp from boxing ?
Do you have a video talking about this ?
Start off with wrestling 100%
@@FOERTYFIVERS45 I’m already taking Judo and Jiu-Jitsu, so there’s no need for that. Plus, there’s no wrestling places anywhere near me, so I couldn’t take wrestling even if I wanted to.
My gym is a Judo gym and it says that on the window outside, but it also teaches Jiu-Jitsu because the classes are a blend of Judo and Jiu-Jitsu, and has classes that are a blend of Muay Thai and Dutch Kickboxing. I’m only taking Judo and Jiu-Jitsu at the moment.
@@animallover7072 good stuff..gotta start somewhere. Forza ! Btw wrestling os much better base than judo or jiu jitsu in my opinion
May I ask where you got your head covering?
Taobao
Judo, Jujitsu, Western Boxing, Thai boxing, Catch/Folk /Freestyle wrestling etc., are competative sports with rules to protect the participants from crippling injuries or death. Practitioners can develope varied skill sets / tools with minimal risk of serious injury. They are not "Martial Arts" in strict sense of life and death combat, otherwise there would be no "tapping out".
One thing I’m surprised you didn’t mention is that it takes a long time to get really good at submissions and quite a bit less time to learn how to avoid dangerous positions. Like if a really good striker has great take down defense they can get away with not being as good a jujitsu
Love you Ramsey hope one day to visit your gym
That t-shirt is awesome
It sure is!
Best podcast voice ever 😍
Vale tudo! We called it vale tudo. Great old times where skills where taken seriously, nowadays people don't understand martial arts anymore
Jiu Jitsu teaches you to pin yourself, it also teaches you to not be athletic.
Not true...helps for ground defense..
Im a wrestler myself which i think is much better anyway
Honestly it was more fun to watch when everybody had vastly different styles.
The UFC is not pure MMA it's entertainment first. It's geared towards striking.
I almost spat my drink when you talked like Mikey Musumeci 🤣
Some critics of BJJ are too young to realize the UFC became so popular and is still is popular to this day, due to the effectiveness and success of BJJ. Nobody in the past had brought martial artists to compete against each other under one roof as much as the Gracie family did with the UFC. The majority of competitors who participated in the UFC had very little knowledge of MMA and ground fighting, and were forced to adapt other disciplines into their curriculum. Now of course 30 years later, everyone and their momma is a fan of mixed martial arts. Except for the remaining few who'd rather stick to their traditional martial arts out of loyalty.
He can always go to a jiu-Jitsu school and sees how he fairs...
2nd that. I go to Gracie who people dismiss, but it's the closest gym to me so I bite the bullet with the expense. I can beat upper whites and lower blues (females and dudes out of shape), but Many can beat me. I'm older too on the way to 50. I usually am against mid-to-late 20s cops, rangers, firefighters, former high school wrestlers, linemen, construction workers, drivers, doctors, military etc. I can beat ALL women in the gym. I usually cannot beat 200lbs+ in-shape knowledgeable experienced guys as I am 180 lbs and can't attend class more than twice a week. I've been injured and missed due to vacations as well. I still lift and train cardio at home though. Shadowboxing, burpees, chinups/pullups, kettlebells, clubs. I tore my hamstring sprinting in October which knocked me out for 3 months. Most who enter "Jiu-Jitsu school" do NOT fare well for a long time.
I have a lot of gripes with BJJ, but to say that it's not effective or doesn't work is stupid. What I will say is that it's hard to hold people down who don't want to play your game, and that without standup grappling, your Jiu-jitsu is severely limited.
My problem with BJJ is the mentality and the lies. Strength doesn't matter, Jiu-jitsu is the end-all be-all, wrestling is a strength-based art, etc. None of that is true. The moves are awesome, but the priorities are wrong concerning self defense. The first objective in BJJ is to take people down, and takedowns are just ignored. Not many people prioritize top position either. It's all about the newest guards, leg locks from bottom, etc. Don't get me wrong, they're all effective techniques, but less effective when you get punched in the face. I love full guard, but it has a purpose: sweep or submit. I don't want to chill there.
In a real fight, I want to avoid the ground. I'm not trying to roll around in broken glass or get slammed. I want to do the slamming, and if circumstance allows it, to control top position and minimize the damage to both parties. Jiu jitsu has all the moves to accomplish that, but no one trains that way. I miss combat submission wrestling, and oldschool BJJ. I use BJJ as a vehicle for hybrid submission grappling, and it's really fun. Despite these problems, I still love it. Love/Hate
It all comes down to the individual and their matchups, simple as that. BJJ isn't trash anymore than Judo or anything else is. People are just more knowledgeable about BJJ now so you can't hit subs on people as easy anymore, the same way takedowns are more difficult now etc. Does that make wrestling trash? No. The game has evolved.
I'd take Gordon Ryan or someone near his caliber in their 1st fight against any mid tier "well rounded" fighter. There are levels.
What is missing here is that there are not 2 distances in fighting -striking and grappling but at least 6 - kicking, striking, elbow/knees, clinch, standing wrestling/throwing and finally ground fighting... News flash for BJJ is that their strength is the last distance with some throwing distance...So for the grappler to grapple he has to bridge 4 distances obviously if he has no game in these he'll get shut down before bridging to his strength...I really don't understand how hard it is for people to understand that simple concept.
Well said 👍
All of Royce's opponents would have done so much better if they simply stayed standing and refused to grapple. If any time they were taken down they did all they could to stand back up and turn it back into kickboxing.
It looks to me like this is what prevents BJJ from working in modern MMA. Opponents just refuse to engage. To make BJJ/submissions work you need very good wrestling and the work capacity to spam takedowns. Even extremely skilled wrestlers like Justin Gaethje lack the capacity to actually wrestle in a fight, it uses up a lot of oxygen and energy.
"Just stand up" only works with people like Derrick Lewis who has literally bench pressed an opponent off him in a fight. To stand up you need points of contact and leverage, the moment you plant a foot or hand down it can be swept. That's why you need to achieve a top or at least neutral position to slither out of the ground.
That definitely goes in the 'easier said than done' box.
Look no further than Kron Gracie's last fight in support of Ramseys point about a BJJ only specialist getting destroyed in MMA.
Your voice is perfect. You should read audio books.
Re: BJJ and MMA, as Nixon famously said, “we are all BJJ guys now.”
You have to mention also that over the last 20 years sport BJJ has taken jujutsu in a weird direction that makes it arguably less useful for MMA. 20 years ago the goal was to get on top, pass guard, and submit your opponent. Nobody trained techniques that involve butt scooting and playing peekaboo with your back turned.