Honda CBR 600 Cam Chain Tensioner (CCT)
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2012
- I recently had the all to common "CCT" problem in my CBR 600 F4i. I wanted to post this video to give others a better idea of how this works and what they might be able to do to try to fix it before bringing it to a mechanic. Hope this helps
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Well done video. Thanks. I've had the same issue on my 2012 cbr1000rr 30K miles. I managed to do as you say, make a short, stubby flat head screw driver and wind the tensioner screw all the way in and then released it abruptly, allowing the pin to reset and fully wedge itself against the chain guide tensioner rail. The process gave enough tension to the chain to take up the slack and get rid of the vibration noise around 4K RPM. One thing I would recommend while doing that is to put the bike in 6th gear, while it's on a bike stand and apply tension to the rear wheel pushing it forward. Doing this allows the timing chain inside the engine to fully tighten up on the drive side and fully loosen up on the opposite tensioner slack side. Have a second person apply tension to the wheel in previously decried manner while you wind up and release the tensioner screw. This will give maximum allowable chain tension. Additionally I would discourage the use of commonly available manual chain tensioners, since when using those you are recommended to remove the valve cover to get to the timing chain and acquire the proper tension measurement between the cam shaft gears for setting the manual tensioner bolt. It would be easy to overtighten the manual tensioner leading to possible premature wear on the timing drive components. Stick to the OEM CCT, since that's the part that was designed by Honda engineers for those engines. Cheers.
Awesome ... now I'm not worried about my removal ... thank yiu
Thank you !! your video saved my life ! My first time changing my cct and i pulled the pine before screwing the cct back in... Didnt know how to push it back. Everything ok now, my blackbird is smooth as hell !
NICE...finally found something that is closest to what I am hearing on my 09 CBR600RR ABS. The whole "can of BB's" part is exactly what I hear when clutching out of 1st at 4-5k rpms. Thanks for the video!
Did this fix your problem? Just curious or if it was the heat guard like on mine lol. (Before it got totalled in an insurance claim that is)
@@joshhill4903 no I took it to a mechanic a while back and they found it was just a loose chain (It was close to end of life). They tightened it up for me, but said it needed to be replaced. This fixed the noise I was hearing. I ended up buying the chain removal tool and putting new chain and sprockets on myself. Haven't had the issue since.
@@CPLKenDude1 glad it was a general maintenance thing! Im taking my 08 cbr1000rr for a valve adjustment, fork seal replacements, new spark plugs, new air filter, new tires and cam chain tensioner operation check- im sure theyll mention the chain and sprocket on mine, but ill do that myself and just let them tighten it up for me. As i still have a 525 set from my 600rr, was just short a chain since the 1000rr is 4 links longer.
Thanks for this. I bought a new genuine CCT and was messing around with the locking pin on the back of it when it popped out and the tensioner sprung out to full length. Thought it buggered it until I saw your video and how easy it is to wind back 😅 bravo sir
Legend, best video on CCT out in my opinion, keep it up brother
Very helpful! I liked seeing the CCT in action. Now I can do the adjustment with confidence.
Hey man thanks for the video, I'm going to look into mine this weekend. Seems that I'm getting the all too common rattle noise at specific RPMs, you might have just saved me $100. Good ups!
I have a 07 CBR600rr that has a nasty rattling sound as the engine revs pass 3500RPMs then goes away as the RPMS increase. The sound is worse during deceleration at the same range. After much research, I have concluded that it's the cam chain tensioner . Note to those replacing your CCT. You have to retract the tensioner before you re-install it I'll update later and confirm I can use a screw driver on my 07 after I install mine. Btw, very useful video! Thanks for posting.
Thanks a lot for making this video Steven! I have this issue on my '14 CBR 1krr
I just ordered this part today for my Rebel 500 that has 65k miles. I will try this but swap it later because mine is in an easy location. Thanks!
Thanks heaps. 2000 CBR 600. Only had to remove the tank and the left side faring. I got my wife to pull the back wheel in travel direction with the bike in 6th (advice given by punter below) while I used a watchmaker screwdriver to screw in then release. No tapping noise now.
I have the same issue on my VFR800. Seems to be a common Honda issue after around 30k~ miles. To answer some of the previous comments on turning counter clockwise this vid: How to fix that scary noise on your CBR or TDM bullet bike I am going to try it on my machine. Thx for this video tho very informative.
There is no reason to drop the block to get to the cct, I've done it by removing the tank alone but if you have trouble getting to it, you can dislodge the trotllebodies and at that point it's right there with nothing in the way.
All the cct I've replaced seemed to work fine but for some reason didn't cut it anymore (a Honda thing) .
My advise: get a manual cct. Yes you need to adjust is yourself and it sounds like a hassle, but it really isn't. Once it's on you can reach it once you get the tank up
Just turn it in with your fingers until you feel resistance. Start the engine. Now turn the cct in little by little and give the engine some blibs (temporary Rev increase) until you hear a whining noise. That's the sound of the cam chain whizzing along the chain guide under to much tension. Then turn the cct out until the whine dissappears and you should be all good. Secure the locking nut on the cct and go for a test drive. With a warm engine and standing next to it, give her a few good revs, there should be no chain clatter (too loose) or whine (too tight).
Thanks for posting this, dude. I have an 08 600RR and I think the CCT is either stuck or has failed. I hear a bad knocking sound at idle and when the revs are coming back down. About to tear into it right now, but it was immensely helpful to see the part in detail and really understand how the little thing works. Cheers!
did you fix your 08 600rr?
Thanks Steven, that was useful information. All the best.
Thanks for this , getting mine done tomorrow hopefully !!!
Saved me a couple of hundred dollars. I was about ready to take my bike in and I tried this and it worked, ticking noise gone.
Hanley Booth what EXACTLY did you do? Did u just pop the tank off, turn it with the screw driver and it was fixed? Also, did you tighten it all the way and just let it go to do it?
your the bomb bro just what i was looking for,thank you so much.
Thanks for the vid!!! Really did help with what im trying to figure out!
Nice! Never would've known this..I'm currently trying to get my Cbr F2 back to normal! I'm replacing some vital parts
Thanks for this !!
A NO Cost option to try before anything else
Thank you for the awesome video brother!
Thank you! Was wondering why the manual was talking about a tool in there when ding valves. blessings !
That sounds like it! Hopefully it's easier for you to take out than it was for me! Good luck
Thanks for the info , mine seems ok but I'll keep a ear on it
Doing head gasket on a Yamaha fx pwc did not know how the tensioner worked thanks for video
Got the similar rattle, will check this, Thanks for the Video...
thanks for the video, it's just what i needed. I've got a cb500 but i think that sob cct its the same model
Thanks Steven ✌🏻 awesome video
Same one for the Honda Rincon. costs $38. 14510-HN8-013 is the part # for the Rincon and the old part # for the Rincon is 14510-HN8-03.
if you don't get it changed then the cam chain will jump and on a quad you have to take the motor apart along with the 4wd to get the front case off just to get at the chain.
you could get a block of aluminum and thread a bolt through the center to put tension on the plastic part that dampens the chain vibration.
Thanks helped me out a lot!!!
Good one! Thanks for the video!
More videos should be simple like this one
Well O remover the cct, O checked it and it worked fine, but I trayed to push the chain guides with my finger but damn its very very hard, it just won't move, I doubt the cct piston will be able to move the guide after I realse it. My noise is still there so didn't fix my issue, maybe my piston is too weak?
Thank you for this vid man!
The tensioner has an oil valve that keeps the ctt with presure depending on the oil presure. That valve is what usually gets damaged so there wont be much presure for the tensioner keeping your chain tide.
thank you man. good tips
Update. I bought a new one and it comes with a short piece of metal installed in the slot, which you pull out (ONLY after installation is completed!) There's no room for a screwdriver on the 07 CBR600's. For installation I just removed the gas tank. and moved the wiring harness to the side to get the that rear bolt. Installation note: The gasket is directional. Face the stamped out impression towards the CCT (not the motor.) Service manual says tighten bolts securely.
Bro thank you just got a brand new CCT for my 07 600rr and that tan came out during the shipping process and I thought I was screwed
The torsionspring inside the CCT just looses it's strenght after some time. You can actually take the CCT apart and prewind the spring so the tension get's higher. Anyway this will always be a bad tensioner and sooner or later fail again !!
thanks for the video mate i try to fix my blade the same way i hate that horrible noise everytime i go for ride
Thank you your video was very helpful
Hi, do you happen to remember what max lenght the chain tensioner has counting from this green gasket to the end od moving pin?
Great video.
Damn I have a '15 & I hear that noise yesterday before putting the bike in for winter.... bike has just went over 2k miles. Mad shook to hear a raffle after revving her...
Changed mine for manual tensioner - but the CB600F-6, most CBs are easy peasy to get to.
Nice one dood,
sorry you got robbed from your local bike shop,
cheers.
Cheers, simple easy quick video not long winded.. it's easy when you know how...hey we all live and learn..any advice on life of cam chain ?
Can chain can do at least 70,000km or 40,000 miles before needing replacement
it's the spring inside that loses tension. if it rattles it's f#####, throw it and buy a new one
Thank you! Cheers
yep will work most the time :-) cheers-
Many thanks for sharing❤
Every now and then from a good start I get a rattle on my cbr 650f for a second that's iff it has been sitting for a few days is this the cct? Iff so is it on its way out
Great video
i have the same problem with my 92 honda cbr f2 but i already try to put a new one but its not hydraulic it the other type but the bolt wont go in and it leaves a space im having problems to find one
I will give that a go thankyou
Remove the OEM CCT, and install a mechanical CCT. They are adjustable, so if installed correctly you'll no longer have CCT issues.
Hi, do you know anything about a Honda cbx 550f ? I have a noisy cam chain on it
ok i have a question my bf is outside freaking out right now..anyways.... got a new CCT today while installing the part that pops up and down got stuck so he tapped it and the whole CCT just poped apart. trying to put it back together now it seems loose... is there a certain degree of tightness it should be when putting it back together... does anyone know
No, not sure. Wish I could be a better help. Good Luck!
good video champ
i have a honda 919 (CBR motor) mines super easy to get to thankfully...
Cheers Steve
nice thanks
Thanx :)
Is this a safety issue or is it just annoying?
It's a very common problem on all CBR's models, specially on the blackbird if you have one get an upgraded CCT with a stronger spring or you can buy a manual CCT for 50$, all that rattling sound will be gone in a moment.
You dont have to drop the motor lol...or even take the gas tank off.. You have to take off or loosen the top right fairing and remove the stash box then, lift the heat cover out of the way and its right there.
I own a 99 cbr 1100xx I just passed 110,000 miles. I think my CCT just gave out. I ordered a manual APE CCT. I am going to try to adjust the OEM one first to see if it is just hung up before I remove it. If I can't get it to stop making noise I will replace it. The CCT for the 1100xx is on the right side just under the plastic. Did anyone have any acceleration/hesitation while driving with their bad CCT?
Only in cold and between 3-4500rpm's makes an annoying rattling sound, I put a new one and problem solved.
So did your mechanic replace the CCT with another automatic one or a manual?
John J
Hey John, Yeah, he replaced it with another automatic one. I know you can put in a manual one, but I didn't want to have to worry about adjusting it. Hope that helps. Let me know if you have any questions. Im happy to answer any other questions if they help
Steven Carroll Where can I get a CCT for a CBR 600F 1997 Model?
Are you looking for a Manual one or an automatic one just like in the video/stock?
Steven Carroll Automatic none, not sure if I would trust myself setting up a manual one.
Try Bikebandit.com They have a lot of great parts and it usually ships pretty quick. Good luck!
I need cbr 954 timibg chain if anyonr cam help me reply me.
I have a 05 cbr600rr that started making this noise I pulled the cct out and inspected it looked perfectly functional, I replaced it any way with a oem tensioner and the noise is completely gone, so what I'm trying to say is that these tensioners don't always look bad save yourself the frustration and just replace it its only cost me $75 for the cct and gasket and my particular bike was a piece of cake to do it only took 45min in and out including the removal and instalation of the side plastics
Hey I have the same model bike but 06, was wondering whether while removing the CCT you had to makesure the motor stayed top dead centre? Im wanting to replace mine and the CCT isn't a big deal to replace but a few people on the forums have horror stories of the timing being wrong afterwards due to it turning a bit when removing the original CCT
Turning the screwdriver clockwise makes the plunger retract. Will turning it anticlockwise make the plunger go out?
Good question. The screw is spring loaded so one you pull the screw driver out the plunger will push itself out. If it was stuck you may be able to screw it the opposite way but you shouldn't have to. Hope that helps
Steven Carroll
Thanks Steve. Your video has been very helpful. Mine is obviously stuck as it is not tensioning the cam chain as it should. If I turn it clockwise, it will retract the tensioner. When I pull the screwdriver out, I can only HOPE that is will kick out and correct the tension. IF it does not, it means my tension will be less than it was before. If only we were sure that turning it anticlockwise will push the plunger out and increase the tension. I have bought a manual tensioner just in case that happens. Meanwhile, the tensioner for my 2010 CBR1000RR is $65.03 in bikebandit.com so maybe I'll just buy that too. Thanks again a million.
Iniobong Essien Hi! Did You find out if turning counterclockwise works for tensioning?
No, it doesn't. The spring tensions it.
Iniobong Essien But when you turn ccw the spring become more preload and this results in higher tension, is that right?
hello friend, i have a 1997 honda magna and one of these cct is working bad, this cct can be fixed?.... what i have to do to install it again?
+FRANCISCO TROCONIS
Hey Francisco. I don't know if it can be fixed if it is working badly. Chances are it may need to be replaced. I don't know how easy it is on a 1997, but if you can take it out and test it, then you will know for sure. Some people prefer a manual CCT. I personally prefer the automatic one so that you don't have to tension it yourself after a while. That's me. Can you take it out? Mine was quite a pain to get to!
yes, my problem is that i live in venezuela and those parts are so hard to find because the venezuelan goberment does not give the dollars to make internet transactions, so we have to fix the most of the pmotorcycle parts (like cubans) ... i think i will buy a manual one because is easier to get it.... ill let you know... sorry for my bad english, greetings from venezuela
Best of luck Francisco. Let me know how the manual CCT install goes. Buena Suerte
Steven Carroll my friend, it is so easy with the correct tools, i did it, you only have to retract the lifter and install in the bike, then you pull out the screw driver and voila, you start the engine and is ready, check any oil leak before ride
+FRANCISCO TROCONIS glad it was easy for you. The 2001 was not so easy. Ride safe and best of luck
I don't think you should waste time repairing a $50 part, as Honda issued a new part # that replaces the old faulty one. It's a pain in the ass to take this out, fix it, and hope it works. Better off buying the new part instead, and it probably will last as long as the bike.
Well said! I having the new part has worked out so far and I like having the original better than a manual CCT. -Steven
Anyone had success just winding it and letting it go while still fitted to the bike? as in it fixed the rattle ?
I just tried it and no success. :( I unwined it and let it drop 5 times and then tightened it, but no luck.
Hey buddy do you know how to find tdc
darkluck _cbr can you clarify tdc?
Its easy to get to...I can take mine off in about ten minutes....remove fairing, then remove the compartment which is only one bolt 10mm, and its right there.
That's great. They definitely placed these in a better area in years after. I know that the 00-02 for sure were the ones that were had to get to. Cheers
yea i have an 03. just today i found a nifty little trick to fix the stock one i had problems with, i didnt replace it and the thing about turning the screw worked for half a day then it started again. now she purrs like a lion lol. i still have yet to ride her so this weekend im going to take her for a spin to see how she acts.
Jiovanni Ramos What is the trick?
LOL you don't need to remove all those parts....Just the throttle side, side upper fairing. lift up the rubber heat shield and wallah it's rite there. I just changed mine on my 05 cbr600rr about 4,000 miles ago. Took me total of about 40 minutes. Removing all that hardware will take someone 4 hours probably 8 hours for the first timer.
Did you have to makesure the motor stayed top dead centre? I keep reading horror stories about people removing the CCT only to have the timing stuffed up when re-installing?
If the mechanic did in fact remove all the hardware to get to the CCT (I very Highly doubt it) but if he did then 300 bones is a tad high not to bad...considering it's 90 bucks an hour. I was lucky enough to attend wyoming Tech for motorcycle mechanics....(ahem 20 years ago) yeah I know that makes me an old fart
Thx Steve.... sorry for the waste of money tho bro
Automatic tensioners are crap, plain and simple. The can and have failed at any time. Manual is the only safe bet IMO. VERY simple to set.
woops forget to mention to remove the tool box as well.
Never pay anyone to work on your bike, it’s not worth it man. All you had to do was remove your tank to get to it
david pearse yeah, I get that. It was my first bike and didn’t want to mess with the fuel system. Lesson learned
Jesus $300 fix, I bought my manual tensioner for $45 and did the work my self you don’t have to drop the motor
angel ramos did you have to put engine at rev?
the oem cct is not manually adjustable as described in the vid. the oem is a hydraulic cct and works on it's own.. when the cam chain reaches a threshold where beyond the oem's tensioner it needs to be replaced.Racers prefer a manual cct in their bike and it's only about 50 dollars. or a pro cct with an internal o ring allowing for adjustments..which is about 80 dollars. prop up tank, remove airbox, remove throttle body, remove valve cover, remove two screws and gasket, replace cct, done. simple