imagine if blizzard made it so any class who could equip swords be able to wear warglaives despite it stipulating a class restriction like thunderfury.
It clearly goes to the GM/Raid Leader, Warrior Main Tank who also happens to be a bit of a narcissist. Oops, my classic wow experience is flashing back to me.
Back in the day, when our guild walked into BT for the first time, the GL (Priest) said to everyone: Glaives will go to the Rogues, Warriors will get them after and if anyone has any objections. You know where to find the door! We got to Illidan back then, but didn’t manage to kill him back then before Wrath got launched. 😂
I foolishly rolled a rogue hoping to get the glaives one day despite how impossible it would be... but after playing it I may be a little addicted to rogue haha so it all works out!
I think its fair to say good fucking luck telling a dps with 1 glaive you are giving the other one to someone else when they see it drop. that also means no one gets the set bonus till you see 3 drop, give the pair to whoever performs and does stuff like running an alt kara for your guild and helps the guild the most
It should go to Rogue. I was rogue back in TBC and it was just so brutal finding groups for dungeons and raids all expansion. Let them have that one victory at the very end.
I never had a single problem finding a dungeongroup as rogue. In hcs everyone wants a rogue, i karazhan nobody gives a shit, gruul maggi you allways have rogues. Every raid takes atleast 1 mutilation for the exposed armor debuff. The only hard raid for rogues will be tempest keep, but thats only because the whole raids treats melees as useless cabage that drags the raid down
@@Muthafuqa the stigma that its better for rogues over fury warriors is so redundant and old. the only argument ive heard is its not good for warriors because of the fast attack speed in the OH for more optimal WW. Which is invalid since WW is normalized and will hit the same regardless of the speed of the offhand. agility is massive for warriors, IE why we stack crit in gems. its literally just a shit stigma that wont change because rogues dont want to admit it and lose the item that they claim as "theirs"
why are warrs so greedy all the time.. they want TFthey want Glaives and of course they want Shadowmourne. Sit back for once ffs. There aremany reasons rogues should get prio
@@MatziUndSo lmao im not being greedy. im just saying how it is. Warglaives are bis for warriors just as they are for rogues. end of story. i never cared about shadowmourne as i played an enhance shaman during that expansion. regardless if shadowmourne was bis for ret just like arms, they should have equal opportunity. what are you "many reasons" anyways? enlighten me.
Splitting the set doesn't make any sense, might as well at least let one player complete the set for the haste proc. Like king Solomon cutting the baby in half.
@@swcws35 what he described, was getting a MH drop, and a OH drop in your raid group (perhaps in subsequent runs), and splitting them up between 2 players, then letting RNG determine who gets the set, as whatever drops next will go to the player who needs it to complete. This means you just delay adding the haste buff to a player by however long it takes for 3 drops to happen. Crazy.
It is smart. There is a NOT negligible chance that ~~ when some random fuckhead gets funneled both~~ they then log out, and never log in again... or log in as a different person with a freshly bought account‼️‼️‼️💯💯👍 Edit: Iguess if they are a hard-core PVP devout, then it would be fine to funnel both to them(at least in that case they are still logging in, and will feel guilt tripped & obligated to continue raiding with you LMFAO)‼️‼️‼️💯💯🤣
They were designed to be rogue weapons, Slow main hand fast offhand and the haste proc. In a ideal world this wouldn't even be a question. In the real world, streamers > guildmasters/officers > rogues. Crazy stuff.
Haste is good for warriors and the whole speed thing about whirlwind is an old myth that's been long debunked so it doesn't matter. End of the day, it's BIS for both classes so give it to the player that deserves it most.
@@Cynicallycynical who cares about that? It's a raiding weapon that drops for raiding guilds from the last boss of a high tier raid. If you want to pvp on the side go for it, but that's on you.
@@xplicitmike Listen mate that's the problem with people. It 100% for a fact it will benefit a rogue more than a warrior to say it won't is just halfwits trying justify giving it to another class. Saying crap like but it's only minimal the difference doesn't change the fact it is!!!!!!!!!
IMO whoever is a dedicated player to a guild. Of course if it's a guild run that is... pug on the other hand gonna be a ton of heated moments. But as far as guild runs, lots of factors. Someone who been in a guild awhile, someone who you know isn't gonna gquit right after, someone who does a lot for their guild, someone who has been to most raids. ETC. That's what should be the determining factors. But all guilds operate differently.
If it's a pug, far more likely it's a GDKP run, in which case whoever is the richest gets the glaives. Many hundreds of thousands of gold later, everyone departs with richer pockets.
Thanks for the video Meta, but I would love to hear how specifically rogues benefit slightly more from haste? I mean am not sure I agree with you, Haste is pretty wicked for warriors as well considering there Cds + trinkets, Also lets not forget flurry talent it's huge with the Glaives.. But ya I would like to hear how it is slighty better for rogues, ty!
@@dirkdiggler5581 ehm thanks for the info, It is good for sure! But still I dont think they should get prio for it just for that.. the benefit of the Glaives is about the same for warriors and rogues. For example, the glavies will tremendously help with flurry procs.. which means, Faster attack speed, will greatly increase rage regeneration= More damage.. thats just 1 idea to think about, anyway I think the best way to handle the situation, is just to take turns whenever it drops between rogues and warriors.
Combat potency is a big enough reason for this, the energy boost contributes to a lot more damage output from the rogue and the raid because it allows the rogue to also have a good uptime on Expose Armor.
It's a status symbol item just like Atiesh, and not critical to raid performance like for example getting a Thunderfury onto your main tank was in Classic. Give it to whoever is most deserving.
Gm/officers will get their first, some players will leave bcause of that, then the friends of gm/officers will get theirs, more people will leave bcause of that, and one day that rogue dps may get his. kek
@@LovelyCooK based on the fact that I was in a top 18 world guild , played competitively in van, tbc and wotlk a fury warrior with glaves . The fact alone that you compare phase 1 t4 rogues , which btw rogues don’t even use (rogues only use 2 pcs of t4 , the rest are offsets even their bis shoulders and off hand are rears..) , same goes for t5 it’s not good to use as rogues , with t6 rogues that use the set and the boost they get from it is huge … shows how much you know about what you comment
@@LovelyCooK name is Gavros in anachronos server , haven’t played in years but am sure you can check his achievs . Not hard to understand the truth of it . Atm am playing van classic and ofc classic tbc and am a rogue . It’s not too hard to understand why rogues get a huge boost on t6 , or why glaves work better for rogues due to haste procs (haste is a bit better for rogues throughout) . In an aoe fight warriors most of the time have the advantage , in a single target rogues at t6 have the upper hand . T6 rogues with glaves if the fight allows it can surpass hunters dmg … while for sure can outdps locks . Hunter is the king once they hit thorin’dals . My mentioning of rogues using 2 pcs shows how bad the gear is itemized for them , again I will mention (regardless if your avoiding it) that I am very very familiar with both classes both in retail bk in the day and now in classic
MetaGoblin, kindly you need to elaborate on how rogues benefit more. Rogues get more weapon speed increase per haste? because sword spec is easier to achieve in a min/max spec than warrior? I've been thinking of trying deathwish with sword spec (losing imp beserker stance). I do agree combat sword spec is THE build and if the rogue is quality to the guild then I would hand them over. It just wasnt very clear with evidence, we're just taking your word for it. So the rogues edge is 5% windfury talent? details.... And splitting them is a bad idea! You dont split the nether vortex's... You want the proper upgrade, so progression is easier.
Sword spec and talent "Combat Potency" = Gives your successful off-hand melee attacks a 20% chance to generate 15 Energy These alone are like enough of a reason imo to explain why
My guild had BT on farm for months before the next guild even attempted the first boss. Our alts were completely bt geared as well. We never saw a warglaive. For that matter we never saw both bindings of thunderfury either.
IT's not even point to watch the vid. If the glaives are given to warrior before rogue - that guild is crap! Rogues also do pvp. Let them shine. Warrior with glaives just looks silly.
@@Zinkx. its a dps los if you dont have the haste proc from having both compared to having the mace mainhand. So having the OH glaive and MH crafted mace until you have both, otherwise just just have a glaive sitting in your bags until the OH drops... if it does rather...
@@bodybuilder6350 Because this game is being played and overplanned soo damn much that everything becomes irrelevant in matter of days after release... So who knows, maybe some day we'll see hunters and paladins with Glaives.
@@andresvaldevit3692 it still matters since it a rare drop from a high tier raid. if your raiding non stop till tbc ends, then yea who cares but if you only got a few shots it worth fighting for or why are you raiding if loot doesn't matter, your literally killing the same bosses over and over.
Well, if we are talking about being optimal, shouldn't a raid contain only one DPS warrior and that is an arms? I am a DPS warrior myself and would love warglaives, but I don't think dropping 4% phys buff for raid could be gained by me being fury instead
I think demonwares has conflated a Phase-1 optimal raid comp with a raid comp for the whole expansion. The Arms Warrior never goes away, you're right, the debuff is very valuable. But Fury (and Rogue) are only overlooked right now because in Phase 1 they aren't as competitive. Once Fury/Rogue become competitive with other miscellaneous DPS (hunters, mainly, since they're physical DPS), they need not be excluded,. Especially since by having one in the raid to get Warglaives, they can become that much MORE competitive. If you're minmaxing and using an EA Rogue and Druid MT in Sunwell, may as well have that EA Rogue rockin Glaives.
Not true. Rogues can't take advantage of haste because they exhaust energy. It only helps with main hand instant poison which is never as advantageous as warrior flurry and rage build up. However if PvP is taken to account then it should be for rogues.
I would like a recount! Need best dps gear for both at tier 6 and sunwell gear on a target dummy and see who can can get more out of them. 2 bm hunters, enh sham, and feral druid for both rogue and warrior with full consumables and drums as well as mighty rage potions or energy potions. I've seen warriors who do this beat bm hunters
Target dummy negates the fact that warglaive warriors become threat capped in a legitimate fight. They should go to rogues (and I’m the warrior with them that metagoblin took a clip from). I also did a head to head on brutallus PTR with equal gear vs a rogue with glaives and he did more damage than I did under all circumstances. -Lequoia
"Let fate to decide" is such a stupid concept I don't know what to say mate. You're talking about some of the rarest items in the game that give the player, and thus the raid bonus only once they are complete.
1. Rogue is A MUST to use sword ( sword spec ), warriors can use literally any weapon in the game no bonuses. 2. Rogue can use weapons in PvP too and warrior is useless with it ( not important for raiding, but still a valid point overall ) 3. They are not more dps improve for warriors than for rogues 4. There is an argument that a warrior shouldn't go glaives because Hand of KilJaeden + Mounting Vengeance performs similar to dual glaives while Rogue's 2nd best option isn't even as close 5. With glaives warriors run into threat issues, where rogues can dump their high threat with vanish, feint making them get more milage out of the glaives. About HASTE BONUS from the Glaives set and who benefits more : 1. Sword spec procs more with faster attacks = more Combat Potency procs = way more dmg 2. Talent "Combat Potency" = Gives your successful off-hand melee attacks a 20% chance to generate 15 Energy ( Warriors generally aim for slow off hand to match their main hand because of flurry procs, cause if its fast it messes up and eats their flurry stacks so they are not used on big hitting weapon, only reason they go for 1.5 speed off hand is bonus from glaives ) just another point ^^ I really want to hear reasons that people have with warrior over rogue, very curious to see how many valid points someone can make !
@@krushingkobra Ok warrior wins on aoe, not by much in our guild where we are average and not speedrunners so i have blade flurry every pull but np, aoe goes to warriors, any other reasons or thats it u think?
I'm a bit confused by the comment section. In phase 1 hunter discord released a spreadsheet quoting that warriors gain the most dps out of all the classes from DST. People generally agreed. DST is nothing but a trinket providing huge haste procs. From my understanding this would imply that browns scale the best with haste (imagine having a combat potency proccing with every OH hit, called rage generation). Now that we are in phase 3 every rogue acts like haste suddenly scales better with them?
@@haedulus They turned out to be wrong with the DST and warriors tho as far as i know, combat potency and energy and rage cannot compare with each other, 2 different mechanics, also rage dump heroic strike replaces hard hitting MH white attacks while Sinister Strike does not replace your existing attacks aswell as you are not counting for the sword spec procs, also if you are informed you should know warriors want slow off hand with high dmg on the whirlwind and to not consume their flurry stacks with the 1.5 off hand which is bad too...there are many different factors included, but do you have any advantage to mention that warriors have over rogue except "damage" which is fairly compareable and just slightly different ?
@@doomzx8284 Flurry is not accurate, as it doesnt even begin to account the increased flurries gained from a faster off hand either.. Whirlwind is true but neglectable as a faster offhand still is higher single target, which case in point warriors also dumpster rogues on. PVP you can play what ever you like, no one plays pvp at all even in TBC and no one worth even mentioning is 2k+ even needing to min max to a point where glaive argument is even an "argument", it is a pve item requiring months of raiding to "hopefully" see... Sinister is on GCD, HS is not so when your glaive proc, BL, haste pot, DST Etc you cant even keep up the energy influx in a worst case scenario. Where a warrior can as HS is off GCD. Most the damage from rogues and warriors are from white hits which is why the whole thing matters so much to begin with. I have no clue what you are talking about "advantages" warrior has better single, better aoe, better trash clear. Litterally in no aspect in a raid is a rogue better, in fact the only reason they are there is to buff players like the fury and top guilds are contemplating going with more fury warriors instead of a rogue come sunwell for their overall better performance. BY all means say the BS you want, but none of it is accurate the only point you have is, that warrs dont use fury in PvP although unless you a glad there is no reason you cant in all pvp scenarios bar high rated 3v3 and 2v2 as the only exceptions. Which alone is already less than top 1% PvE players since no one plays pvp. At least be happy that most players are agreeing that it should come down to a "who deserves it more" from a guild perspective, otherwise there would be no argument for a rogue to get it lad.
@@deadlymemory Did you not read my comment properly? We've done this before more than once when we've have 2 solid players throughout the raid. That is why the comment is worded the way it is. The set bonus is nice but there is enough time in the raid if you are getting enough clears to get 2 pairs and if you were going to divide it the OH is better for the rogue first.
@@brettmurphy2917 read your comment properly. Splitting a set to stroke egos diminishes raid output and screws over the other 23 raiders for the duration of “enough clears to get two sets”. Your logic doesn’t check out because if there are enough clears to get two sets then don’t split the glaives up front and save everyone in the raid the time they would have wasted by gimping the dps output. Just because you did something stupid doesn’t make it right. By all means proceed to stroke 2 people’s egos and waste the other 23 people’s time for a third time. I guess bad habits are hard to kick.
@@deadlymemory Nothing to do with ego's or wasting raid time. We are all mates that raid together clearly when when the raid is on farm DPS isn't a problem. It's not wasting the other peoples time because surprisingly enough other items drop. You may be surprised to know but its not all about min maxing the shit out of it the legendaries aren't even that far ahead of the Epics you have before them anyway.
@@brettmurphy2917 exactly why the set bonus is what matters. Glaives drop before the expansion dps check in brutallus. This is twice now that you’ve provided evidence to support my original statement. Thank you for validating my opinion 🤗
Are you seriously advocating splitting up the set ? and not getting the benefit from the set bonus until the 3rd one drops? thats almost as dumb as that first tbc raid comp vid you made awhile back.
How often though, is everything equal? Is the warrior respeccing prot on off-raid nights to help lowbie guild members get geared through heroics? Who is an all-around key resource to the guild, and shown over and over that he values others over himself? Letting everything just come down to a roll of the dice devalues what the individual has gone for the many. That said I would be far more willing to hand the weapons to the guy who says "give them to who's most deserving" vs the guy who says "they're rightfully mine".
If you give players different halves of the set you know you'll never see another glaive lmfao. If I played a fury or a rogue I'd rather it just go to the other guy than have that happen
after all these debates and now we look back, rogues sometimes don't even get rostered in swp and rogues are just dogshit in swp, especially on trash fights. if you see top guilds, they all feed glaives to their warriors and stack warriors in speed runs. all these rogue-prio videos are just pathetic.
this whole video is 100% wrong. The glaives are clearly BIS hunter weapons.
Every weapon is BiS hunter weapon.
Your 100% correct
@@lookatdatcontrol9960 true
@@lookatdatcontrol9960 your point?`BIS Hunter Weapon.
Glaives are swords, so Hunters could in theory use them except for the Glaives being class restricted to Warriors and Rogues only
Hunters of course…all loot is hunter loot even if they cannot equip it.
imagine if blizzard made it so any class who could equip swords be able to wear warglaives despite it stipulating a class restriction like thunderfury.
should be able to honestly. Why is thoridal useable by everyone but we cant take glaives? Literally unplayable
It clearly goes to the GM/Raid Leader, Warrior Main Tank who also happens to be a bit of a narcissist. Oops, my classic wow experience is flashing back to me.
THATS RIGHT AND DONT FORGET IT, I NEED MAH THREAT!
Nailed it. Classic in a nutshell ^^
GM/RL warrior>SR>MS.
then ironically/non ironically brags about it everytime he logs on
Back in the day, when our guild walked into BT for the first time, the GL (Priest) said to everyone:
Glaives will go to the Rogues, Warriors will get them after and if anyone has any objections. You know where to find the door!
We got to Illidan back then, but didn’t manage to kill him back then before Wrath got launched. 😂
Streamer (if applicable) > GM's gf > GM > Master Looter's gf > Master Looter > GM's friend(s) > rogue > warrior
/s
@@F1reFireBall I even forgot to include disenchant (even though it can't be)
You forgot hunters
Not funny
Streamers > Streamer's Mod > GM's gf > GM > That pug who post good memes on discord > Hunter > Warrior > Rogue
I foolishly rolled a rogue hoping to get the glaives one day despite how impossible it would be... but after playing it I may be a little addicted to rogue haha so it all works out!
I thought I was taking a stroll down memory lane, so I picked a class I was never super interested in. Rogue forever now. =)
Rogues are awesome ignore Charlie, he’s jealous of hasu!
As long as you don't be a person who plays them in PvP.
I think its fair to say good fucking luck telling a dps with 1 glaive you are giving the other one to someone else when they see it drop.
that also means no one gets the set bonus till you see 3 drop, give the pair to whoever performs and does stuff like running an alt kara for your guild and helps the guild the most
The Fable Music was very nostalgic, very much appreciated.
Best looking weapon in wow
In my opinion idk why but I like might of menethil
Best looking weapon for a hunter.
shadowmourne byfar
Ur rong
Did Someone just say Thunderfury Blessed Blade of the Windseeker?
Well it's quite simple, really, the rogue/warrior that rolls the highest on them, of course.
Clearly you have never done BT
@@Emperor_Shao_Kahn Why our fury warr got the glaives he rolled an 89 and the rogue 51
It should go to Rogue. I was rogue back in TBC and it was just so brutal finding groups for dungeons and raids all expansion. Let them have that one victory at the very end.
fury war
I never had a single problem finding a dungeongroup as rogue.
In hcs everyone wants a rogue, i karazhan nobody gives a shit, gruul maggi you allways have rogues.
Every raid takes atleast 1 mutilation for the exposed armor debuff.
The only hard raid for rogues will be tempest keep, but thats only because the whole raids treats melees as useless cabage that drags the raid down
@@Muthafuqa the stigma that its better for rogues over fury warriors is so redundant and old. the only argument ive heard is its not good for warriors because of the fast attack speed in the OH for more optimal WW. Which is invalid since WW is normalized and will hit the same regardless of the speed of the offhand. agility is massive for warriors, IE why we stack crit in gems. its literally just a shit stigma that wont change because rogues dont want to admit it and lose the item that they claim as "theirs"
why are warrs so greedy all the time.. they want TFthey want Glaives and of course they want Shadowmourne. Sit back for once ffs. There aremany reasons rogues should get prio
@@MatziUndSo lmao im not being greedy. im just saying how it is. Warglaives are bis for warriors just as they are for rogues. end of story. i never cared about shadowmourne as i played an enhance shaman during that expansion. regardless if shadowmourne was bis for ret just like arms, they should have equal opportunity. what are you "many reasons" anyways? enlighten me.
Everyone will have warglaive, cus there will be always only the one side droping, ALWAYS!!!!
I saw so many Garr bindings.
The fable music really sets it off 🥲
It’s called „War“glaives not rogueglaives 😂
Dang I main a rogue and even I think this logic is air tight
Splitting the set doesn't make any sense, might as well at least let one player complete the set for the haste proc.
Like king Solomon cutting the baby in half.
I thought I was going crazy and had to look it up. They are two different drops for MH/OH.
@@swcws35 what he described, was getting a MH drop, and a OH drop in your raid group (perhaps in subsequent runs), and splitting them up between 2 players, then letting RNG determine who gets the set, as whatever drops next will go to the player who needs it to complete.
This means you just delay adding the haste buff to a player by however long it takes for 3 drops to happen.
Crazy.
Huh. That is an excellent analogy.
Plus that only works if you have one warrior and one rogue in the guild.
It is smart. There is a NOT negligible chance that ~~ when some random fuckhead gets funneled both~~ they then log out, and never log in again... or log in as a different person with a freshly bought account‼️‼️‼️💯💯👍
Edit: Iguess if they are a hard-core PVP devout, then it would be fine to funnel both to them(at least in that case they are still logging in, and will feel guilt tripped & obligated to continue raiding with you LMFAO)‼️‼️‼️💯💯🤣
Thanks for sharing my clip MetaGoblin !
Those stats mean they're hunter weapons
"All stats mean they're hunter weapons" fixed it for you.
They were designed to be rogue weapons, Slow main hand fast offhand and the haste proc. In a ideal world this wouldn't even be a question. In the real world, streamers > guildmasters/officers > rogues. Crazy stuff.
Well what speed do warriors need?
Haste is good for warriors and the whole speed thing about whirlwind is an old myth that's been long debunked so it doesn't matter. End of the day, it's BIS for both classes so give it to the player that deserves it most.
@@xplicitmike And for pvp?
@@Cynicallycynical who cares about that? It's a raiding weapon that drops for raiding guilds from the last boss of a high tier raid. If you want to pvp on the side go for it, but that's on you.
@@xplicitmike Listen mate that's the problem with people. It 100% for a fact it will benefit a rogue more than a warrior to say it won't is just halfwits trying justify giving it to another class. Saying crap like but it's only minimal the difference doesn't change the fact it is!!!!!!!!!
The Fable music gets me itching for a playthrough everytime I watch your vids man, keep em up!😎
Melee hunter weapons. 41/0/20 straight melee build
Rogue. Warriors will threat cap with them, rogue has vanish.
IMO whoever is a dedicated player to a guild. Of course if it's a guild run that is... pug on the other hand gonna be a ton of heated moments. But as far as guild runs, lots of factors. Someone who been in a guild awhile, someone who you know isn't gonna gquit right after, someone who does a lot for their guild, someone who has been to most raids. ETC. That's what should be the determining factors. But all guilds operate differently.
I just pray that I'm in the gdkp where a glaive drops.
If it's a pug, far more likely it's a GDKP run, in which case whoever is the richest gets the glaives. Many hundreds of thousands of gold later, everyone departs with richer pockets.
MH drops first? Either or works. Off hand drops first, rogue
Thanks for the video Meta, but I would love to hear how specifically rogues benefit slightly more from haste? I mean am not sure I agree with you, Haste is pretty wicked for warriors as well considering there Cds + trinkets, Also lets not forget flurry talent it's huge with the Glaives.. But ya I would like to hear how it is slighty better for rogues, ty!
1 talent. Combat potency.
@@dirkdiggler5581 ehm thanks for the info, It is good for sure! But still I dont think they should get prio for it just for that.. the benefit of the Glaives is about the same for warriors and rogues. For example, the glavies will tremendously help with flurry procs.. which means, Faster attack speed, will greatly increase rage regeneration= More damage.. thats just 1 idea to think about, anyway I think the best way to handle the situation, is just to take turns whenever it drops between rogues and warriors.
Combat potency is a big enough reason for this, the energy boost contributes to a lot more damage output from the rogue and the raid because it allows the rogue to also have a good uptime on Expose Armor.
You can also argue that there are more poison procs with the haste.
Warriors also need two slow weps when they using AoE.
Rogues benefit the most and warriors can't drop threat... Hasu for glaives!
Thank you kind sir, being picked on here!
So my warrior tank should get the main hand
Hunters. Next question
i DO,
i WISH
Rogues should get it because warriors are threat capped already without them
It's a status symbol item just like Atiesh, and not critical to raid performance like for example getting a Thunderfury onto your main tank was in Classic. Give it to whoever is most deserving.
Gm/officers will get their first, some players will leave bcause of that,
then the friends of gm/officers will get theirs, more people will leave bcause of that,
and one day that rogue dps may get his. kek
Should definitely go to that warrior offtank who swaps specs from tank to dps every few fights and maintains two sets of gear
So that in 90% of fights your guild is missing out on a huge dps boost? Idk, it really wouldn't get much use there.
@@xplicitmike I'm hoping the original poster was joking
@@kingdavey90 just not very smart.
warrior off tank?
What is a druid for 600 Alex
I remember battling both fury warrs with glavies and rogues with glavies. Rogues did WAY MORE DMG
These are different times now. Warriors are still the superior melee class
@@Excentrix54 that is not true. t6+glaves rogues win in a dmg fight vs t6+glaves war by quite a lot
@@LovelyCooK based on the fact that I was in a top 18 world guild , played competitively in van, tbc and wotlk a fury warrior with glaves .
The fact alone that you compare phase 1 t4 rogues , which btw rogues don’t even use (rogues only use 2 pcs of t4 , the rest are offsets even their bis shoulders and off hand are rears..) , same goes for t5 it’s not good to use as rogues , with t6 rogues that use the set and the boost they get from it is huge … shows how much you know about what you comment
@@LovelyCooK name is Gavros in anachronos server , haven’t played in years but am sure you can check his achievs . Not hard to understand the truth of it . Atm am playing van classic and ofc classic tbc and am a rogue . It’s not too hard to understand why rogues get a huge boost on t6 , or why glaves work better for rogues due to haste procs (haste is a bit better for rogues throughout) . In an aoe fight warriors most of the time have the advantage , in a single target rogues at t6 have the upper hand . T6 rogues with glaves if the fight allows it can surpass hunters dmg … while for sure can outdps locks . Hunter is the king once they hit thorin’dals . My mentioning of rogues using 2 pcs shows how bad the gear is itemized for them , again I will mention (regardless if your avoiding it) that I am very very familiar with both classes both in retail bk in the day and now in classic
@@LovelyCooK Rogues in endgame bis are better dps than warrior in endgame bis.
MetaGoblin, kindly you need to elaborate on how rogues benefit more. Rogues get more weapon speed increase per haste? because sword spec is easier to achieve in a min/max spec than warrior? I've been thinking of trying deathwish with sword spec (losing imp beserker stance). I do agree combat sword spec is THE build and if the rogue is quality to the guild then I would hand them over. It just wasnt very clear with evidence, we're just taking your word for it. So the rogues edge is 5% windfury talent? details.... And splitting them is a bad idea! You dont split the nether vortex's... You want the proper upgrade, so progression is easier.
I had the same idea with sword specs, and the sims show that its better than imp berserker stance (only with warglaives). :)
@@andrasdeme7221 ok 👌 thanks for running the sim Andras
Sword spec and talent "Combat Potency" = Gives your successful off-hand melee attacks a 20% chance to generate 15 Energy
These alone are like enough of a reason imo to explain why
A fair and balanced take on why Metagoblin should get the Glaves!
Not even if he was a rogue. He’s lucky he even gets loot
Not even a question. It's rogues.
My guild had BT on farm for months before the next guild even attempted the first boss. Our alts were completely bt geared as well. We never saw a warglaive. For that matter we never saw both bindings of thunderfury either.
got my OH warglaive on my warrior last Saturday, can't wait for Mh though
IT's not even point to watch the vid. If the glaives are given to warrior before rogue - that guild is crap! Rogues also do pvp. Let them shine. Warrior with glaives just looks silly.
It has been for years that the warglaives belongs to rogues.. Whats the problem people? Have you never played wow or has you just forgot??
It's a hunter weapon
Why is Q sitting at the bottom corner of the screen?
Rogues do less damage. They aren't even on the meters in TBC. Answer is clearly Warriors
warriors want slow offhands rogues want fast, offhand glaives is 1.40 speed
The way our guild is rolling it is if the offhand drops first I get the first set and if the mh drops first our rogue gets the first set!
dont literally everyone else do it the other way round??
@@Zinkx. its a dps los if you dont have the haste proc from having both compared to having the mace mainhand. So having the OH glaive and MH crafted mace until you have both, otherwise just just have a glaive sitting in your bags until the OH drops... if it does rather...
@@AdJacMusic that's not what I've been seeing in sims mh replacing dstrike simming much high
Obviously a rogue weapon
NOBODY GETS IT UNLESS DRUIDS CAN FINALLY EQUIP WARGLAIVES!
I wish druids could so the main hand in my druids bank on retail wouldnt go to waste 😁
what the hell is warrior been playing TBC since day 1 still have not seen this warrior you speak of
All things being equal = Give it to the rogue‼️‼️‼️💯💯👍
Is that the music from Fable 1?
We all know who really gets them…hunter weapon!!!!!!
Fable music never gets old
rogues 100%
Hunters for sure
Shout out to the homie who got his vod up here
Lmao back than a rogue paid my GM actually real life money for the warglaives.
Dude, we both know that you weren’t in method back in the days
@@PsychWonder you really think method was the only guild with big enough loosers too PayPal cash for pixels?
I've offered 1000€ overall to my guild officers, if I get both glaives before p4. I don't recognize myself as a looser tho.?
Rogues of course but does it really matter anymore?
Why doesn't is matter?
@@bodybuilder6350 Because this game is being played and overplanned soo damn much that everything becomes irrelevant in matter of days after release... So who knows, maybe some day we'll see hunters and paladins with Glaives.
@@andresvaldevit3692 it still matters since it a rare drop from a high tier raid. if your raiding non stop till tbc ends, then yea who cares but if you only got a few shots it worth fighting for or why are you raiding if loot doesn't matter, your literally killing the same bosses over and over.
Well, if we are talking about being optimal, shouldn't a raid contain only one DPS warrior and that is an arms? I am a DPS warrior myself and would love warglaives, but I don't think dropping 4% phys buff for raid could be gained by me being fury instead
The problem with Fury is not so much that it's just bad, it's that it 'scales with gear'. And what are Warglaives if not excellent gear?
If you aren't brining a fury warrior, why would you be bringing a rogue ? Warriors do a lot more dps towards the end of the expansion
I think demonwares has conflated a Phase-1 optimal raid comp with a raid comp for the whole expansion. The Arms Warrior never goes away, you're right, the debuff is very valuable. But Fury (and Rogue) are only overlooked right now because in Phase 1 they aren't as competitive. Once Fury/Rogue become competitive with other miscellaneous DPS (hunters, mainly, since they're physical DPS), they need not be excluded,. Especially since by having one in the raid to get Warglaives, they can become that much MORE competitive. If you're minmaxing and using an EA Rogue and Druid MT in Sunwell, may as well have that EA Rogue rockin Glaives.
Not true. Rogues can't take advantage of haste because they exhaust energy.
It only helps with main hand instant poison which is never as advantageous as warrior flurry and rage build up.
However if PvP is taken to account then it should be for rogues.
Random question but does anyone know the font name at 03:25 ?
I would like a recount! Need best dps gear for both at tier 6 and sunwell gear on a target dummy and see who can can get more out of them. 2 bm hunters, enh sham, and feral druid for both rogue and warrior with full consumables and drums as well as mighty rage potions or energy potions. I've seen warriors who do this beat bm hunters
Target dummy negates the fact that warglaive warriors become threat capped in a legitimate fight. They should go to rogues (and I’m the warrior with them that metagoblin took a clip from). I also did a head to head on brutallus PTR with equal gear vs a rogue with glaives and he did more damage than I did under all circumstances. -Lequoia
my garnd mother should get it i think, taht being said i could be wrong
Obviously they should go to a hunter , all items are hunter items .
Cant equip it ? Not with that attitude you cant . HUNTER ITEM !
The next one to the WARRIOR no how about the warrior gets them first. They are called WARglaives not Rougeglaives.
"Let fate to decide" is such a stupid concept I don't know what to say mate. You're talking about some of the rarest items in the game that give the player, and thus the raid bonus only once they are complete.
I will not get the glaives as warrior cause my rl nows as soon as I have them I wont play arms anymore -.-
1. Rogue is A MUST to use sword ( sword spec ), warriors can use literally any weapon in the game no bonuses.
2. Rogue can use weapons in PvP too and warrior is useless with it ( not important for raiding, but still a valid point overall )
3. They are not more dps improve for warriors than for rogues
4. There is an argument that a warrior shouldn't go glaives because Hand of KilJaeden + Mounting Vengeance performs similar to dual glaives while Rogue's 2nd best option isn't even as close
5. With glaives warriors run into threat issues, where rogues can dump their high threat with vanish, feint making them get more milage out of the glaives.
About HASTE BONUS from the Glaives set and who benefits more :
1. Sword spec procs more with faster attacks = more Combat Potency procs = way more dmg
2. Talent "Combat Potency" = Gives your successful off-hand melee attacks a 20% chance to generate 15 Energy
( Warriors generally aim for slow off hand to match their main hand because of flurry procs, cause if its fast it messes up and eats their flurry stacks so they are not used on big hitting weapon, only reason they go for 1.5 speed off hand is bonus from glaives ) just another point ^^
I really want to hear reasons that people have with warrior over rogue, very curious to see how many valid points someone can make !
n single target Rogue/War is comparable, but on cleave (including trash), warrior dumps all over rogues hands down in overall raid damage.
@@krushingkobra Ok warrior wins on aoe, not by much in our guild where we are average and not speedrunners so i have blade flurry every pull but np, aoe goes to warriors, any other reasons or thats it u think?
I'm a bit confused by the comment section.
In phase 1 hunter discord released a spreadsheet quoting that warriors gain the most dps out of all the classes from DST. People generally agreed.
DST is nothing but a trinket providing huge haste procs. From my understanding this would imply that browns scale the best with haste (imagine having a combat potency proccing with every OH hit, called rage generation).
Now that we are in phase 3 every rogue acts like haste suddenly scales better with them?
@@haedulus They turned out to be wrong with the DST and warriors tho as far as i know, combat potency and energy and rage cannot compare with each other, 2 different mechanics, also rage dump heroic strike replaces hard hitting MH white attacks while Sinister Strike does not replace your existing attacks aswell as you are not counting for the sword spec procs, also if you are informed you should know warriors want slow off hand with high dmg on the whirlwind and to not consume their flurry stacks with the 1.5 off hand which is bad too...there are many different factors included, but do you have any advantage to mention that warriors have over rogue except "damage" which is fairly compareable and just slightly different ?
@@doomzx8284 Flurry is not accurate, as it doesnt even begin to account the increased flurries gained from a faster off hand either.. Whirlwind is true but neglectable as a faster offhand still is higher single target, which case in point warriors also dumpster rogues on. PVP you can play what ever you like, no one plays pvp at all even in TBC and no one worth even mentioning is 2k+ even needing to min max to a point where glaive argument is even an "argument", it is a pve item requiring months of raiding to "hopefully" see...
Sinister is on GCD, HS is not so when your glaive proc, BL, haste pot, DST Etc you cant even keep up the energy influx in a worst case scenario. Where a warrior can as HS is off GCD. Most the damage from rogues and warriors are from white hits which is why the whole thing matters so much to begin with.
I have no clue what you are talking about "advantages" warrior has better single, better aoe, better trash clear. Litterally in no aspect in a raid is a rogue better, in fact the only reason they are there is to buff players like the fury and top guilds are contemplating going with more fury warriors instead of a rogue come sunwell for their overall better performance.
BY all means say the BS you want, but none of it is accurate the only point you have is, that warrs dont use fury in PvP although unless you a glad there is no reason you cant in all pvp scenarios bar high rated 3v3 and 2v2 as the only exceptions. Which alone is already less than top 1% PvE players since no one plays pvp.
At least be happy that most players are agreeing that it should come down to a "who deserves it more" from a guild perspective, otherwise there would be no argument for a rogue to get it lad.
ROGUES OFC
Hunter weapon
The first ninjia gets them...
Pretty sure it’s the guild waifu.
You're right.
- A rogue player
MUSIC FROM FABLE
Clearly a hunter weapon
pretty sure everyone knows its hunter loots.....
Warriors 1000%. Best melee dps that can use them plus it will piss off all the Rogues and Hunters well in WotLK lol.
clearly they should go to the warlocks
My Blood Elf Hunter gets the Warglaives.
Feral dps first ofc
Who cares if it's a bigger dps boost for rogues when they are a lower dps class kekw
Pretty sure rogues pump just as hard if not harder than warriors in the last raids.
Why don’t we duel for it then and we’ll see who gets the job done first
@@ELlady69 armor pen, better itemization. a tier that we actually wear and take advantage of the set bonus's
If it really comes down to two folks who both deserve it give the OH to the rogue first and MH to warrior first as the OH is better for the rogue.
Under no circumstances should you do this. Warglaives are about the set bonus not the individual item. -Lequoia
@@deadlymemory Did you not read my comment properly? We've done this before more than once when we've have 2 solid players throughout the raid. That is why the comment is worded the way it is. The set bonus is nice but there is enough time in the raid if you are getting enough clears to get 2 pairs and if you were going to divide it the OH is better for the rogue first.
@@brettmurphy2917 read your comment properly. Splitting a set to stroke egos diminishes raid output and screws over the other 23 raiders for the duration of “enough clears to get two sets”. Your logic doesn’t check out because if there are enough clears to get two sets then don’t split the glaives up front and save everyone in the raid the time they would have wasted by gimping the dps output. Just because you did something stupid doesn’t make it right. By all means proceed to stroke 2 people’s egos and waste the other 23 people’s time for a third time. I guess bad habits are hard to kick.
@@deadlymemory Nothing to do with ego's or wasting raid time. We are all mates that raid together clearly when when the raid is on farm DPS isn't a problem. It's not wasting the other peoples time because surprisingly enough other items drop. You may be surprised to know but its not all about min maxing the shit out of it the legendaries aren't even that far ahead of the Epics you have before them anyway.
@@brettmurphy2917 exactly why the set bonus is what matters. Glaives drop before the expansion dps check in brutallus. This is twice now that you’ve provided evidence to support my original statement. Thank you for validating my opinion 🤗
my hunter obviously
Rogue
Obviously demon hunters should get Warglaives
I only am playing tbc to ninja them then log off…
Are you seriously advocating splitting up the set ? and not getting the benefit from the set bonus until the 3rd one drops? thats almost as dumb as that first tbc raid comp vid you made awhile back.
After much argument our guild has decided that we will DE warglaives to avoid picking.
Sounds like a simp guild.
That bit assinine we can't handle someone get a rare item so nobody get it. Mit well d/e all raid loot can't risk pissing in someone joy
@@majb1986 can confirm we are simps.
Lmao you say that now but no way you're going through with it 12 months down the road when they drop.
They're WARglaies, they're WARrior prio
Can't argue with that logic
obviously you should give it to warlocks because ummmm reasons.
it can also go like this, if the offhand drops the rogue gets it and when the mainhand drops the warrior gets it, that way its RNG and thats most fair
With all things equal, why not just roll on it?
Because people are greedy and power hungry.
How often though, is everything equal? Is the warrior respeccing prot on off-raid nights to help lowbie guild members get geared through heroics? Who is an all-around key resource to the guild, and shown over and over that he values others over himself? Letting everything just come down to a roll of the dice devalues what the individual has gone for the many. That said I would be far more willing to hand the weapons to the guy who says "give them to who's most deserving" vs the guy who says "they're rightfully mine".
@@d0k0night I hear ya, but in my experience it is either political 9suck ups and friends get it first) or if flirting is involved.
Obviously, Bip should get Warglaives
yes that my question
hunter weps
WARglaives
Hunter weapon no other class should get this
If you give players different halves of the set you know you'll never see another glaive lmfao. If I played a fury or a rogue I'd rather it just go to the other guy than have that happen
Ya that's literally a terrible idea.
Is Hunter not a contender here?
They are hunter weapons
after all these debates and now we look back, rogues sometimes don't even get rostered in swp and rogues are just dogshit in swp, especially on trash fights. if you see top guilds, they all feed glaives to their warriors and stack warriors in speed runs. all these rogue-prio videos are just pathetic.
On single target Rogue/War is comparable, but on cleave (inclusing trash), warrior dumps all over rogues hands down